=== joesny [n=joesny@201.22.13.139.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joesny [n=joesny@201.22.13.139.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ne78 [n=ne@d83-182-157-232.cust.tele2.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] All window clients using the new xcb backed Xlib make an _XCBUnlockDisplay error. is there a solution ? === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-154-134-53.red.bezeqint.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx| [n=kvirc@p57A4C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx|34 [n=kvirc@p57A4C256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye] [12:54] I would just like to say that filesystem corruption in /lib/udev/devices/std{in,out,err} is particularly annoying to try to recover from === administrator_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-25d4413a51d0f9ec] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180092186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@201-213-5-215.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ausimage [n=owner@ubuntu/member/ausimage] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] is restricted-manager to be installed by default? === ausimage [n=owner@ubuntu/member/ausimage] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] jdong: that's the plan [02:25] mdz: awesome, that's nice to hear :) [02:25] cjwatson: I wonder why those aren't created on the fly [02:25] mdz: will it be made apparent to users that Restricted Manager is available? === joesny [i=joesny@201.22.13.139.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] i.e. if fglrx/nvidia cards are detected, pop up a first-boot notification bubble, etc [02:26] jdong: it will be in the menu and the release notes; do you mean something more? [02:26] jdong: something along those lines is intended, yes [02:27] mdz: yeah, having it inform the user "Additional 3D acceleration is available for your hardware through proprietary drivers. Click this icon for more info" would be good. [02:28] mdz: Debian's udev has the facility to do it, but for some reason Scott decided it was evil [02:28] Sounds evil :-) [02:28] and indeed I think Debian's udev is configured that way by default, with /etc/udev/links.conf [02:29] bddebian: how about a little BonziBuddy-like GPL advisor (like a RMS buddy? :D) [02:29] cjwatson: I expect there are already plenty of targets in /lib such that corruption is more likely to take out something else critical [02:29] it's curious that just those three inodes got clobbered [02:30] jdong: Haha. Yeah he pops up "THAT SOFTWARE IS NON_FREE!!" [02:30] they seem unusually related for random corruption === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] bddebian: New Malone bug 666666 in restricted-manager "RMS buddy leaves facial hair artifacts after closing" [High, Confirmed] [02:33] haha === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@68.84.69.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mixium [n=chatzill@ip68-226-136-144.lf.br.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] I think that Ubuntu needs a better failure recovery, for novice users [03:13] I mean, the concept of dumping to a root terminal if the system crashes goes against the "for human beings" thingy === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@68.33.112.13] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yetiman [n=yagerp@ip68-12-100-188.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] kronoman: you've made your point multiple times now, and mdz commented on it earlier as well. I don't think it's necessary to keep bringing it up [03:46] maybe it's a bot [03:49] there are enough variations that I think not [03:50] markov chain? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arch_NME [n=arch_nme@000-115-223.area3.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] personally motivated suggestion... develop some support for cellular internet services into future ubuntu release [04:19] that is all === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kateikyoushi [n=kateikyo@nttkyo532179.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] c [05:18] damn kvm [05:23] I'm guessing not the virtualization solution :) === sponix [n=family@c-68-51-218-143.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] jdong: no === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx|- [n=kvirc@p57A4B588.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === styx|345 [n=kvirc@p57A4B588.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kronoman is back in the house [05:52] cjwatson: so, is worth that I start coding something like that ? or is already done ? [05:52] cjwatson: I could make like a 'agent' that could guide the user in the recovery steps === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] morning [06:16] Hi fabbione. [06:17] yo === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@153.5.60.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-255e312bf7d07859] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione prepares the sodomotron to kill somebody [07:05] fabbione: Who broke what? [07:06] update from yesterday to today.. something took down my network.. network manager told NOT to touch my wired network, was spinning at 100% CPU unkillable and unable to reconfigure my network interface.. = full lock of the machine [07:06] now i have tons of corrupted crap in my /home [07:06] somebody is going to suffer a lot of pain today [07:06] Ouch. [07:07] My NM exploded when I upgraded this afternoon, too... But it didn't kill the machine. [07:07] the machine was killed because i have some stuff over nfs [07:07] Oh. [07:08] NM should not have touched my network since i told it NOT too in the first place [07:08] Heh, heh, heh. [07:08] That was the change, I believe. [07:08] You might want to check the changelog. [07:08] Fujitsu: already done... === pax [n=pax@pdpc/supporter/student/pax] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@89.171.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] hey there [07:41] doko: are you around ? [07:42] Lutin: not really ... [07:43] doko: ok, see you later then === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] mdke: regarding 82335> if you believe my fix doesn't cover all the cases, please tell me what you don't think is covered by my fix and I will be happy to take a look at that. === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67E28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] Mithrandir: mind to check outdate for ppc? i think gnome-panel-data is outdated... [08:04] or tell me where it is now and i will look at it [08:05] stuff moved to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ [08:06] I should send a mail to u-d-a about it. [08:06] thanks === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] Mithrandir: i guess ppc could use a general giveback === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === titfortat [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] pitti: you win 42 new source language packs. :-) === Kagou [n=Kagou@86.76.22.128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] Mithrandir: accepted 30 seconds ago :) === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A933DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] pitti: great. :-) [08:31] Good morning everyone, btw [08:32] good morning pitti === mantiena [n=mantiena@ctv-84-55-4-28.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] heloo all [08:36] There are no builds at cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base/ for 4 days at least, anobody knows why ? [08:36] Mithrandir: If I give you a debdiff for openoffice.org-voikko, would you mind uploading it? [08:36] StevenK: please. === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-163.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Mithrandir: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/ooo-voikko.debdiff [08:38] Mithrandir: It's just a build1 -> build2 kick [08:38] ah, sure. [08:39] I tested it last night, I seriously doubt anything shattering has happened to the archive in the mean time. === Fujitsu shatters the archive. [08:41] StevenK: uploaded [08:41] Fujitsu: just too late. :-) [08:41] Damn. [08:41] I've got another 20 minutes, surely? [08:41] maybe, if you're in the DC. [08:41] And another hour after that before it starts building. === Fujitsu gets to it. [08:42] Mithrandir: Thanks === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] Mithrandir: I managed to get to the (7am) tech board meeting, and got a +1 from mdz and sabdfl for -core-dev, by the way [08:42] StevenK: yay. :-) [08:43] Oh yes. :-) === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] StevenK: have you tested that ooo-voikko would get correct Conflicts by a simple rebuild? I've talked to the maintainer who said that it doesn't currently handle rc-versions [08:44] StevenK: Congrats :) [08:45] tepsipakki: sorry I wasn't around last night for your core-dev application [08:45] tepsipakki: I can look again, if you like. [08:46] Mithrandir: np, I forgot to ask you to be there ;) [08:47] pitti: I'll look at vesa later today [08:47] sorry, evdev [08:47] tepsipakki: vesa? context? [08:47] aah [08:47] tepsipakki: thank you [08:48] tepsipakki, Mithrandir: FYI, the meeting didn't handle applications, at least not until an hour after it started === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] tepsipakki: applications are supposed to be handled through email to the TB first now [08:48] there is 1.1.5 which was released for 7.2 but maybe we should just find the commit to make it build [08:48] pitti: oh, ok [08:48] tepsipakki: backporting++, unless we can exhaustively test this easily [08:48] I can do both [08:49] does 1.1.5 officially belong to 7.2? [08:49] evdev isn't used by default anyway [08:49] yes [08:49] if it's a stable branch from upstream, that might even be better; in this case we should just eyeball the diff for suspicious changes [08:49] but the list of changes wrt to 1.1.2 is long [08:50] but either way [08:50] the other bug that I saw that crashed a program due to that API/ABI change wasn't very encouraging [08:50] due to evdev? [08:51] yes; I mentioned that other bug in the FTBFS bug report [08:51] ah [08:51] Setting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu3) ... [08:51] * Reloading system message bus config... [ OK ] [08:51] * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager [08:51] BAHM [08:51] and 2 === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] Mithrandir: i think the last network manager update is breaking hard === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.95.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] fabbione: that's a terrible bug report. :-P [08:55] Mithrandir: i can give you all details.. basically ifaces are not wireless and configured via interfaces to use dhcp [08:55] Mithrandir: for some reasons NM takes them down and it's not capable of bringing them up again [08:55] and that's bad when you have NFS mounted stuff [08:56] hm, you have multiple active interfaces? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] Mithrandir: your changelog entry says that it fixes the bug for people who use static interfaces. But the bug occurs also for people who use dhcp, and has them configured in /etc/network/interfaces, as I understand it NM simply ignores them [08:57] who is responsible forf cdimage.ubuntu.com mirroring ? livecd-base mirroring doesn't work, because REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED [08:57] Mithrandir: yes i do.. most of them are virtual interfaces tho [08:57] Mithrandir: on my i386 there is only one real and plenty between vmware and tunnels [08:57] Mithrandir: on laptop is one wired ether and 2 wireless.. tho i told NM NOT to touch any of them [08:57] mdke: no, it doesn't. [08:57] on both machines.. === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-212.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] and during the upgrade it does try to take them over [08:58] Mithrandir: ok, well lots of people on that bug report say that it happens on their system (and it does on mine - I don't use static, I use dhcp) [08:58] mdke: can you attach your /etc/network/interfaces to the bug report, please? [08:59] mantiena: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage [08:59] Mithrandir: sure [08:59] mdke: what ? I'm talkink about mirroring scripts [08:59] mdke: it seems womeone just forgot to upload new ssh key === khermans1 [n=khermans@c-65-96-191-13.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] mantiena: I was answering your question [09:00] "who is responsible for cdimage.ubuntu.com..." [09:00] fabbione: the solution in your case might then be "don't use NM". [09:00] it appears that many packages are depending ~gnome < 2.18 [09:00] Mithrandir: well i told NM not to touch my networks.. at least i think it is supposed to keep settings? [09:01] but >= 2.18 are being installed [09:01] fabbione: uh, how did you tell NM that? [09:01] fabbione: As I said before, the change in the last version modified that behaviour. [09:02] from the applet: "Enable Networking".. i thought it meant.. keep your NM hands away from my settings [09:02] Fujitsu: yes.. i got that... [09:02] Oh, that way. [09:02] Mithrandir: done [09:02] fabbione: no, it doesn't, and it's not what it says on the lid either. [09:03] ie -> libwnck18 depends libwnck-common (<2.18) but 2.18.0 will is installed [09:03] cjwatson: cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base mirroring doesn't work, because REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED - look at cd-build-logs on people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson [09:03] khermans1: we just had a new revision of gnome uploaded, the archive isn't consistent yet. No need to nag us about it, it's being tended to. [09:04] Mithrandir: i see that and i was wondering if you knew -- now i know [09:05] Mithrandir: is there a HOWTO for unb0rking my apt/dpkg now that i screwed myself with the last dist-upgrade? [09:05] khermans1: wait until it doesn't give errors and then upgrade. [09:06] mdke: your interfaces file ought to work with the new NM. [09:06] Mithrandir: :-( === khermans1 install xubuntu [09:06] mdke: I haven't tried, but from my changes and how your file looks, I believe that case is also fixed with the latest NM upload. === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] Mithrandir: alright, I'll check and close the bug if so. I maybe misunderstood your changelog entry [09:07] mdke: it might not respect the wireless-essid setting, though, which would be a bug. [09:07] mdke: or my changelog entry wasn't good enough [09:07] Mithrandir: :) === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] i'm about to do an upgrade, is apt / apt-utils b0rked? should I hold off a few hours? [09:14] sabdfl: no, but you shouldn't force through updates if apt tells you that it can't install everything. We had a full gnome upload yesterday and the archive is still slightly busy sorting the bits. [09:17] Mithrandir: yeah, I noticed.. after it had removed gnome-panel :) [09:18] I noticed (what I presume to be a result of) it when my gnome-panel crashed a few times a second. [09:18] Fujitsu: that too [09:18] But then something else updated and it started up fine. === dfarning [n=dfarning@69-179-21-245.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] Mithrandir: yes, works. Wow, the applet is quite cool all of a sudden [09:25] mdke: does it pick up the wireless setting correctly too? [09:25] Mithrandir: I had to left click on the applet and select my network, then it connected [09:26] no idea if i was already connected or not [09:26] mdke: ok, it probably ignore it, then. I should probably make it call ifup/ifdown and not manage it itself. [09:26] ok, well I'm happy anyway === mdke hugs Mithrandir === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F722DE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] good morning === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@215.168-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] hey dholbach === juell [n=jga@p85.212.17.131.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] hey pitti [09:53] it's seems that daily-live feisty iso for i386 is too big today === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] mvo: erk, the 'reboot required' dialog's German translation has lots of signs in it [09:56] carlos: ^ I thought that would have been fixed? [09:57] ggrrr, I forgot to send the request to the DBA :-( It's my fault [09:57] BenC: linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 is in depwait - sure the build-deps for that are right? (it's referencing -8 headers, not -9) [09:57] I'm going to do it now so I'm sure I will not forget it again [09:57] carlos: thanks [09:57] Hobbsee: and now we are at -10 already [09:59] pitti: true that, but it seems that it's behind, or something. the 9.3 built with the -8 headers, so i'm confused. [10:01] the control file for l-b-m is wrong [10:01] i suspected as much, what should it be? [10:02] ie to point to -9, or -10? [10:02] -10, but it's not a manual process. [10:02] I can fix it. === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Hobbsee: thanks, fixed. Good catch. [10:06] +sexy === mneptok woggles an eyebrow === Mithrandir slaps mneptok [10:06] Mithrandir: :) === Hobbsee attacks mneptok with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === Fujitsu drops the broken linux-backports-modules-2.6.20 on mneptok. [10:06] Mithrandir: careful. that's Hobbsee's job. [10:07] mneptok: you wish it was. [10:07] mneptok: you dirty old man. [10:07] Hobbsee: the GF is pleased to know that women continue to abuse me as she sleeps. it's like a weird trade union. [10:08] heh === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBE41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] could somebody please give back gnome-python-desktop on amd64? [10:13] dholbach: done, and same for ppc done === dholbach hugs Mithrandir [10:13] Mithrandir: you ROCK :) [10:13] thanks. :-) [10:13] :-)) [10:14] huzzah, evo built fine now === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] hey seb128 [10:15] hi dholbach === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti back [10:16] pitti: language packs seem to work fine [10:16] seb128: yay [10:16] for me, too [10:16] high time, eh [10:17] iwj: pdf2ps segfaults in the opensp build, would you like to take a look at it? http://librarian.launchpad.net/6640435/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.opensp_1.5.2-3build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === jack [n=jack@218.18.191.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] iwj: seems to be ppc specific. [10:19] seb128: your pyorbit upload blew up sideways, you might want to take a look http://librarian.launchpad.net/6601939/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.pyorbit_2.14.2-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === jack_wyt [n=jack@218.18.191.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] Mithrandir: I've asked doko if he could have look some time ago, it's due to the python-dbg changes :/ [10:20] seb128: from the build log, it doesn't look like that. Looks more like libtool fell over. [10:21] Mithrandir: yeah, and autotools are runned for the python-dbg changes [10:22] seb128: if you want, I'll try to take a look? [10:23] dholbach: if you want to do so you are welcome [10:23] ok, just looking at a new workrave, will do it afterwards [10:24] Mithrandir: when is beta freeze starting? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] seb128: tomorrow. [10:24] oh, good === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] arrgh [10:31] mvo: I just wasted 20 minutes banging my head on the table before I discovered that gksu does not propagate the exit status [10:31] 'gksu false' exiting with 0 is wrong... [10:33] speaking about sudo it behaves weirdly for users not to the admin group on my desktop [10:33] sudo command asks for the password [10:33] and then do nothing [10:33] no error, no message, it just don't do the action and acts like it was doing [10:34] ah, there is a bug open: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/81140 [10:34] Malone bug 81140 in sudo "sudo (edgy) silently fails when user is not a member of admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [10:35] mvo: ah, it's already filed as bug 51633 [10:35] Malone bug 51633 in gksu "Doesn't return correct system exit code" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51633 === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.51.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] seb128: hm, I get 'joe is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' [10:36] pitti: I don't [10:36] if you need any debug info let me know ;) === pitti takes a needle and sews together desktop-effects and restricted-manager now [10:37] seb128: the pyorbit build failure is due to the CC=$PYTHON_CC in configure.in, but you'll need to change the AC_SUBST([ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS] , [..] line too, to change $ac_macro_dir to (the string) m4. [10:38] I get both sudo behaviours across various machines. [10:38] Fujitsu: comparing sudoers and group memberships on both machines would be appreciated [10:39] I can't recall which has which, but I'll have a look tomorrow. [10:39] Mithrandir: ok, thank you [10:39] seb128: (and you need to run autoconf once after changing configure.in). [10:39] Fujitsu: thanks [10:39] dholbach: ^ if you are on pyorbit === pitti wonders at which orbital height Python is [10:39] seb128: at least it completes building here. [10:40] Mithrandir: good, thank you for looking at it! [10:40] np === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBE41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart_ [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] Mithrandir: do you have any idea, why gnome-python-desktop just ftbfs? i successfully updated my powerpc to python-gnome2-dev (2.18.0-0ubuntu1) a minute ago [10:50] dholbach: I'll take a look in a second [10:50] Mithrandir: gracias === Mithrandir stares at the output from cruft-checker: [10:50] * php4-ps_1.3.4-3ubuntu1 builds: php5-ps [10:50] but no longer builds: [10:50] o 1.3.4-2: php4-ps [10:50] maybe a rename of the source package is in order? === Mithrandir takes immense pleasure in removing php4 binaries from the archive [10:51] Mithrandir: yay! [10:54] dholbach: probably just unfortunate timing wrt when python-gnome2 was happy, given-back [10:59] yoohoo === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.4.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] dholbach: seems to be building now at least [11:02] Mithrandir: Reaccept it, and purge it out again. [11:02] Mithrandir: super - I'll pester with you some other give-back requests later, so gnome 2.18 is installable on powerpc and amd64 again [11:03] dholbach: if it's on outdate.txt, I'll tend to it by myself, so unless you see something stuck for a while, you don't need to ask me. [11:03] ok [11:03] thanks [11:07] pitti: yeah, that gksu problem is very anoying === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] Mithrandir: I didn't see any need to mail -devel-announce about the report URL changes since I left redirects in place [11:20] khermans1: you made a comment the other day that "the new ubiquity is broken" or some such. Care to give details? === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host217-44-151-84.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-7c762528b45bef40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmm [n=chatzill@ai178110.ai.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-603d446971ed629a] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] cjwatson: well, point, but telling people that "you might want to poke around at ~ubuntu-archive to see if you find interesting information" might not be a bad idea? === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.79.58.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] Mithrandir: true [11:31] Mithrandir, do i need to poke you ( or another archive admin ) about a edgy-proposed upload , or will it automajicly get accepted ( sru page said something about poke to make sure the versioning was sane ) [11:31] versioning is/was mod-mono_1.1.17-3 --> mod-mono_1.1.17-3build1~proposed1 fyi [11:31] mvo: shall I take a look at gksu? [11:32] pitti: if you have spare cycles, that would be great === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] imbrandon: why the build1 in there? [11:33] mvo: well, not exactly 'spare', but it makes the destop-effects/restricted-manager integration look bad, and that's my top goal ATM [11:34] imbrandon: sorry, you do of course need something like that, ignore me. :-) [11:34] Mithrandir, because its only a rebuild ( but i was told it needed to be a SRU ) [11:34] pitti: right, if you would fix it, g-a-i would benefit as well, so I'm all for it :) [11:34] no real changes [11:34] mvo: ok; doesn't sound hard [11:35] Mithrandir, 17-3 is whats currently in the archive [11:35] imbrandon: yes, I see that. [11:35] imbrandon: I'd probably have named it 1.1.17-3edgy1~proposed1 to show that it's an edgy branch. [11:36] sure i can do that if you can remove the upload i just did, only take me 2 seconds to change [11:38] pitti: are you aware of the langpacks in edgy-proposed NEW? [11:38] Mithrandir: oh, I thought I already rejected them; doing now, thanks [11:38] imbrandon: rejected. [11:39] Mithrandir, k === pitti cleans up the langpack clutter in feisty/NEW as well [11:41] Mithrandir, ok re-uploaded , so if you get a sec can you push that through [11:41] moins pitti [11:41] imbrandon: will do once it shows up in the queue (at :45) [11:41] hey imbrandon === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-692b0ec4439e8b85] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] Mithrandir, ok, thanks ;) === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok slaps imbrandon's butt [11:43] wheeowww [11:43] ;) [11:44] *muah* hey sailor :) === jinty [n=jinty@dslb-088-073-096-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] Mithrandir: Sure, I'll look at your pdf2ps bug. [11:45] iwj: thanks a lot [11:46] seb128, do you have any hint for me for bug 82527 ? do i need anything special to register with dbus ? [11:46] Malone bug 82527 in gnome-screensaver "gnome-screensaver-command doesn't work for gnome-screesaver instances started from /etx/X11/Xsession.d" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82527 [11:46] ogra: does it need some environment variable? [11:46] (not for the gss issue there, but we need the student-control-panel client working) === seb128 opens the bug [11:47] seb128, nope .... we have an Xsession.d script that starts scp-client on thin client sessions ... === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] it needs the LTSP_CLIENT env variable set to actually start the binary, but that happens fine ... [11:48] it just cant communicate thrugh dbus === lbm_ [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] as the screensaver apparently cant either f not started by gnome-session ... [11:49] ogra: it probably requires something in the environment which is set with gnome-session [11:50] hmm, k, i'll dig in that direction, thanks for the pointer [11:52] np === khermans2 [n=khermans@c-65-96-191-13.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir__ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] mvo: erk, this is much worse than I imagined === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmm [n=chatzill@ai178110.ai.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] mvo: so this would involve API changes, rebuilds of several packages and extensive changes in libgksu gksu === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] seb128, heh, got it ... syou shouldnt execute stuff from Xsession.d scripts but just add them to $STARTUP so it gets DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set in the environment :) [12:14] the scp-client script only executed the command ... [12:14] k [12:14] pitti: I vaguely remeber that I looked at it some months ago and felt that its a can of worms too [12:15] it feels like I've given-back half the archive now. === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] lol @ Mithrandir === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm4.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] Mithrandir: must be time for you to give back the other half then. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] seb128, i had various reports about shutdown not working anymore from the logout dialog ... did you just switch recently from gdm to gpm for gnome-session ? [12:33] no [12:33] hmm, k [12:33] when did you start getting them? [12:33] then i'll try to get more info [12:34] jammcq said with the last update he did this week, but he's not completely up to date yet ... i'll wait until he upgraded [12:34] i just thought i missed the switch or something [12:35] seb128: Did you do the processing of -proposed uploads a couple of hours ago? [12:36] Fujitsu: no, I did a couple for edgy-proposed. [12:36] Fujitsu: no, I don't do SRU === Hobbsee wonders who broke cupsys [12:37] Hobbsee: broken how? [12:37] Hobbsee: Till did some pretty intrusive changes recently; can you please talk to him? [12:37] Hobbsee: I saw a lot of bug reports about not-working backends any more [12:37] Mithrandir: pitti https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/92205 [12:37] Hobbsee: I guess something in the backend enabling/disabling broke [12:37] Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:37] installing error [12:38] Mithrandir: Aren't you meant to set the bug to fixcommitted? [12:38] Hobbsee: oh, I see [12:38] Hobbsee: ouch [12:39] Hobbsee: right, that's the recently uploaded version === pitti mangles the bug [12:39] yes [12:39] Mithrandir: is it possible to sync linux-ntfs from Debian unstable to fix bug #86231 aka Debian bug #379628 ? [12:39] it's only just come thru, doesnt appear to have any dupes yet [12:39] Fujitsu: hm, I don't think that has been discussed in the new MOTU SRU proposal. I think it'd make sense for the uploader to set it to fix committer. [12:39] Malone bug 86231 in linux-ntfs "Installer won't resize Windows Vista NTFS-partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86231 [12:39] Debian bug 379628 in ntfsprogs "ntfsresize: resizing a Vista NTFS partition leads to corrupted" [Critical,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/379628 [12:39] geser: I believe cjwatson has been pondering how to attack that problem. Try asking him? [12:40] ok [12:40] `After the upload, archive administrators should then verify that the version number of the upload is sane and accept the package into -proposed. They set the bug status to Fix committed.' === macd [n=d@adsl-222-43-83.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Mithrandir: Some people won't be on [old release] -changes, so won't see the notification of the acceptance unless there's a change on the bug. [12:41] cjwatson: is it possible to sync linux-ntfs from Debian unstable to fix bug #86231 aka Debian bug #379628 ? [12:41] Malone bug 86231 in linux-ntfs "Installer won't resize Windows Vista NTFS-partitions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86231 [12:41] Debian bug 379628 in ntfsprogs "ntfsresize: resizing a Vista NTFS partition leads to corrupted" [Critical,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/379628 === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491e8eb.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] geser: uh, surely that was a partman problem [12:48] at least, a partman problem as well [12:48] happy to take 1.13.1-6 from testing though, probably; will check [12:50] Mithrandir: everything from partman-base 100 to 105 looks OK - http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/partman/partman-base/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 - UVFe? [12:50] it's only a 2 line change which is also in the bug report [12:50] geser: there was definitely a partman problem; I know because I spent a couple of hours reviewing the patch [12:51] cjwatson: looks sane; go for it. [12:51] cjwatson: are you planning on a d-i upload for the new kernel too? [12:52] oh, was there another ABI bump? yes then, but not just yet [12:52] -10 is in the archive now and default, so yes. [12:52] just a gentle push === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zzz_ [n=ubuntu@195.155.164.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] Mithrandir: i know ben is about to upload -11 to fix all the audio mess that happened with -10 [12:59] ok [12:59] hum means i will need to reupload lirc, is there a way to have that package rebuilt on a new kern upload ? === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] like the lrm is etc === zzz_ [n=ubuntu@195.155.164.14] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:01] imbrandon: no, there isn't. [01:02] hum okies /me adds it to a personal soyuz wishlist === zzz_ [n=ubuntu@195.155.164.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-163.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zzz_ [n=ubuntu@195.155.164.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] dholbach: the libgnome-desktop-dev build-dependency of deskbar-applet is ever-so-slightly optimistic, isn't it? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@205.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] hi [01:11] BenC: ping ? [01:11] moins Tonio_ [01:11] hey imbrandon :) [01:11] Tonio_: [23:11] [Whois] BenC has been idle for 11 hours, 2 minutes, and 32 seconds. [01:11] Hobbsee: indeed [01:12] Hobbsee: heard about a kernel problem with the latest released ? it doesn't boot on macbook machines, so I wondered if I should report the bug [01:12] Hobbsee: as you follow malone carefully.... ;) [01:13] Tonio_: cant say i've been following, with the >20 sec load time on every single launchpad page, and i dont get that in my email. === Hobbsee has been avoiding LP on that basis [01:13] Tonio_, from what i seen a few minutes ago in here BenC is planned to upload -11 soonish, maybe that will fix it, if not i would file a bug [01:13] Mithrandir: hi :) can you take a look at bug #91639 ? [01:13] Malone bug 91639 in ndesk-dbus "UVF exception: ndesk-dbus 0.4.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91639 [01:13] Hobbsee: I'll have a look and report that toonight [01:13] Tonio_: however, i havent really looked in -bugs that much either. [01:14] Hobbsee: the point is I also needed to test a kernel patch for the speakers but I can't since it fails to boot [01:14] useufl [01:14] *useful [01:15] dholbach: care to take a look at the gnome-games ftbfs? [01:15] slomo_: looking. [01:16] Mithrandir: sure [01:17] cupsys is broken :-/ [01:17] Keybuk: known. want the bug id? [01:17] sure [01:17] oh bugger, then i have to find it [01:17] Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/bugs/92205 [01:17] Malone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [Undecided,Confirmed] === Keybuk bets it worked on Mandriva [01:18] huh? [01:18] I just set this to High [01:19] pitti: Apparently not. [01:19] pitti: uh, apparently lp did something funky and removed it when I milestoned it. [01:19]