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| ajmitch | Burgwork: filed any bugs yet? | 12:54 |
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| Burgwork | ajmitch: on authtool, no | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | busy working ont he DS5 rlease notes | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch: the first issue I see is that it doesn't dep on krb, pam or nss stuff, which it should | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | why should it? | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | it installs packages as needed | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | it fails to run for me | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | if I run it, it dies on needing krb5 | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | explain | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | error message? | 12:59 |
| === ajmitch may have already fixed it | ||
| Burgwork | last line is debconf.DebconfError: (10, "krb5-config... | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | ok, so it's debconf stuff | 12:59 |
| === ajmitch has put in some actual error checking for that | ||
| Burgwork | that known? | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | yep | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | known & should be fixed locally | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | hence the need to upload :) | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | ah, good | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | are we pushing to get the ldap stuff installed by default, along with authtool? | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | a bit late for feisty, I think | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | way past feature freeze | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | ogra put in main inclusion reports for lib{nss,pam}-ldap, but they were deferred | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | I won't be at UDS in seville, and not likely to make it to boston either | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: getting too busy for moderation? | 01:31 |
| Burgwork | yep, for feisty+1 | 01:33 |
| Burgwork | moderation is a boring task | 01:33 |
| Burgwork | I hope to make it to Seville and Edinburugh | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | edinburgh? what's announced for there? | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | guadec | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | ah right | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | never been to guadec yet | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | I doubt I'll really get to any more UDS events | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | ah | 01:39 |
| Burgwork | too bad | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | unless I found a very generous employer | 01:41 |
| Burgwork | Impi is hiring | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | that's .za | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | so? | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | you can only die once :) | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | I don't really feel like moving there, and I don't think they're really hiring remote employees | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | I'm hoping to apply to a company in wellington | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | I am tired of using crap products | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | I want to work with LTSP and good stuff | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | one of the top guys there being in the nz loco irc channel quite often | 01:48 |
| Burgwork | what do they do? | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | various open source work, as well as plenty of web apps | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | it consulting, using debian & ubuntu | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | cool | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | have you played with zabbix at all? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | nope | 01:52 |
| Burgwork | how about nagios? | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah I use nagios | 01:54 |
| Burgwork | how much of a headache is to install? | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | moderately annoying, mostly just configuring the host templates & listing out all the hosts & services | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | it's not hard, just a bit tedious | 01:55 |
| Burgwork | right | 01:56 |
| Burgwork | and how good is the information you get out of it? | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | fairly useful, in getting a good overview of the status of everything | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | I can't remember what it has for history, etc | 01:57 |
| Burgwork | either in Ubuntu main? | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | nope | 01:58 |
| ajmitch | both universe | 01:58 |
| Burgwork | hmm, nagios used to be in main | 01:58 |
| Burgwork | I wonder if Canonical used to use it for monitoring | 01:59 |
| Burgwork | if a router/switch talks snmp, does that mean I can monitor it via nagios/zabbix? | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | and you could get the traffic graphs into something like cacti | 02:01 |
| === ajmitch hasn't used nagios for a little while | ||
| Burgwork | ok, rock | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | I've been meaning to set it up again at work, we just use cacti for watching load, etc at the moment | 02:02 |
| Burgwork | how does catci fit into the picture? | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | you know of mrtg? | 02:02 |
| Burgwork | no | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | traffic graphing | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | cacti does that & some more, like load, mem usage, basically anything else you can specify | 02:03 |
| Burgwork | ah, so I need to pair cacti with something like nagios | 02:03 |
| Burgwork | as one monitors and the other shows the information? | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | gives you a good overview of patterns over time | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:03 |
| Burgwork | right | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | eg we had a nice regular pattern, and some code changes in the web app for work showed a good drop in system load | 02:04 |
| Burgwork | it appears zabbix is an all-singing, all-dancing solution | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | might be worth checking out then | 02:04 |
| Burgwork | probably | 02:04 |
| Burgwork | build myself a nice network monitoring tool | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | so work hasn't driven you mad yet? | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | sort of | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | I have shiny new toys to play with, like a brand new Linksys SRW224P | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | useful | 02:05 |
| Burgwork | a PoE and QoS switch | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | the only shiny toy I have is a new server running etch | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | setting up ldap stuff on it now | 02:06 |
| Burgwork | cool | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | basically copying all the data from our crm database for clients into ldap, so they can use it as an address book | 02:06 |
| Burgwork | however, I was told I need to migrate the whole infrastructure away from Ubuntu | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | uh | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | why? | 02:06 |
| Burgwork | because we ain't an Ubuntu company | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | oh I see | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | we are planning to use DS on our desktops | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | that's a rather stupid justiffication | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | which should be tonnes of fun | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | DS? | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | DisocverSTation | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | our primary product | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | ok.. | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | based on fedora? | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | it has a nice flash login screen that eats 10m an hour until killed | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | yes, fedora | 02:07 |
| Burgwork | but then we need a server distro | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | that must be a bit painfil | 02:08 |
| Burgwork | at which point I said: no fedora | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | s/fil/ful/ | 02:08 |
| Burgwork | I don't want to migrate 15 servers every bloody six months | 02:08 |
| === ajmitch is migrating away from a centos server at the moment | ||
| ajmitch | standardising on debian | 02:08 |
| Burgwork | to what? | 02:08 |
| Burgwork | we are probably going debian | 02:08 |
| Burgwork | as the other office "doesn't think Ubuntu is a server distro" | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | it depends if you want anything from universe | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | I still like debian a lot | 02:09 |
| Burgwork | true | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | even sarge feels modern compared to this centos pile of crap | 02:10 |
| Burgwork | zabbix is the only thing I can see requiring from universe | 02:10 |
| Burgwork | given the rest is either totally custom or pretty standard | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | hopefully debian can pick up its release cycle a bit in the future | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | like every 18 months or 2 years | 02:11 |
| Burgwork | they need to throw out some people and throw out some packages for that to work, I suspect | 02:12 |
| Burgwork | anyway, I have to run and go to class | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | alright | 02:13 |
| ajmitch | see you later | 02:13 |
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