[12:54] <ajmitch> Burgwork: filed any bugs yet?
[12:54] <Burgwork> ajmitch: on authtool, no
[12:54] <Burgwork> busy working ont he DS5 rlease notes
[12:57] <Burgwork> ajmitch: the first issue I see is that it doesn't dep on krb, pam or nss stuff, which it should
[12:58] <ajmitch> why should it?
[12:58] <ajmitch> it installs packages as needed
[12:58] <Burgwork> it fails to run for me
[12:58] <Burgwork> if I run it, it dies on needing krb5
[12:58] <ajmitch> explain
[12:59] <ajmitch> error message?
[12:59] <Burgwork> last line is debconf.DebconfError: (10, "krb5-config...
[12:59] <ajmitch> ok, so it's debconf stuff
[01:00] <Burgwork> that known?
[01:00] <ajmitch> yep
[01:00] <ajmitch> known & should be fixed locally
[01:00] <ajmitch> hence the need to upload :)
[01:00] <Burgwork> ah, good
[01:01] <Burgwork> are we pushing to get the ldap stuff installed by default, along with authtool?
[01:03] <ajmitch> a bit late for feisty, I think
[01:03] <ajmitch> way past feature freeze
[01:04] <ajmitch> ogra put in main inclusion reports for lib{nss,pam}-ldap, but they were deferred
[01:05] <ajmitch> I won't be at UDS in seville, and not likely to make it to boston either
[01:31] <ajmitch> Burgwork: getting too busy for moderation?
[01:33] <Burgwork> yep, for feisty+1
[01:33] <Burgwork> moderation is a boring task
[01:34] <Burgwork> I hope to make it to Seville and Edinburugh
[01:36] <ajmitch> edinburgh? what's announced for there?
[01:36] <Burgwork> guadec
[01:36] <ajmitch> ah right
[01:37] <ajmitch> never been to guadec yet
[01:38] <ajmitch> I doubt I'll really get to any more UDS events
[01:39] <Burgwork> ah
[01:39] <Burgwork> too bad
[01:41] <ajmitch> unless I found a very generous employer
[01:45] <Burgwork> Impi is hiring
[01:45] <ajmitch> that's .za
[01:45] <Burgwork> so?
[01:45] <Burgwork> you can only die once :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> heh
[01:45] <ajmitch> I don't really feel like moving there, and I don't think they're really hiring remote employees
[01:47] <ajmitch> I'm hoping to apply to a company in wellington
[01:47] <Burgwork> I am tired of using crap products
[01:48] <Burgwork> I want to work with LTSP and good stuff
[01:48] <ajmitch> one of the top guys there being in the nz loco irc channel quite often
[01:49] <Burgwork> what do they do?
[01:50] <ajmitch> various open source work, as well as plenty of web apps
[01:50] <ajmitch> it consulting, using debian & ubuntu
[01:50] <Burgwork> cool
[01:51] <Burgwork> have you played with zabbix at all?
[01:52] <ajmitch> nope
[01:54] <Burgwork> how about nagios?
[01:54] <ajmitch> yeah I use nagios
[01:55] <Burgwork> how much of a headache is to install?
[01:55] <ajmitch> moderately annoying, mostly just configuring the host templates & listing out all the hosts & services
[01:55] <ajmitch> it's not hard, just a bit tedious
[01:56] <Burgwork> right
[01:56] <Burgwork> and how good is the information you get out of it?
[01:57] <ajmitch> fairly useful, in getting a good overview of the status of everything
[01:57] <ajmitch> I can't remember what it has for history, etc
[01:58] <Burgwork> either in Ubuntu main?
[01:58] <ajmitch> nope
[01:58] <ajmitch> both universe
[01:58] <Burgwork> hmm, nagios used to be in main
[01:59] <Burgwork> I wonder if Canonical used to use it for monitoring
[02:00] <Burgwork> if a router/switch talks snmp, does that mean I can monitor it via nagios/zabbix?
[02:01] <ajmitch> yes
[02:01] <ajmitch> and you could get the traffic graphs into something like cacti
[02:02] <Burgwork> ok, rock
[02:02] <ajmitch> I've been meaning to set it up again at work, we just use cacti for watching load, etc at the moment
[02:02] <Burgwork> how does catci fit into the picture?
[02:02] <ajmitch> you know of mrtg?
[02:02] <Burgwork> no
[02:02] <ajmitch> traffic graphing
[02:03] <ajmitch> cacti does that & some more, like load, mem usage, basically anything else you can specify
[02:03] <Burgwork> ah, so I need to pair cacti with something like nagios
[02:03] <Burgwork> as one monitors and the other shows the information?
[02:03] <ajmitch> gives you a good overview of patterns over time
[02:03] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:03] <Burgwork> right
[02:04] <ajmitch> eg we had a nice regular pattern, and some code changes in the web app for work showed a good drop in system load
[02:04] <Burgwork> it appears zabbix is an all-singing, all-dancing solution
[02:04] <ajmitch> might be worth checking out then
[02:04] <Burgwork> probably
[02:04] <Burgwork> build myself a nice network monitoring tool
[02:05] <ajmitch> so work hasn't driven you mad yet?
[02:05] <Burgwork> sort of
[02:05] <Burgwork> I have shiny new toys to play with, like a brand new Linksys SRW224P
[02:05] <ajmitch> useful
[02:06] <Burgwork> a PoE and QoS switch
[02:06] <ajmitch> the only shiny toy I have is a new server running etch
[02:06] <ajmitch> setting up ldap stuff on it now
[02:06] <Burgwork> cool
[02:06] <ajmitch> basically copying all the data from our crm database for clients into ldap, so they can use it as an address book
[02:06] <Burgwork> however, I was told I need to migrate the whole infrastructure away from Ubuntu
[02:06] <ajmitch> uh
[02:06] <ajmitch> why?
[02:07] <Burgwork> because we ain't an Ubuntu company
[02:07] <ajmitch> oh I see
[02:07] <Burgwork> we are planning to use DS on our desktops
[02:07] <ajmitch> that's a rather stupid justiffication
[02:07] <Burgwork> which should be tonnes of fun
[02:07] <ajmitch> DS?
[02:07] <Burgwork> DisocverSTation
[02:07] <Burgwork> our primary product
[02:07] <ajmitch> ok..
[02:07] <ajmitch> based on fedora?
[02:07] <Burgwork> it has a nice flash login screen that eats 10m an hour until killed
[02:07] <Burgwork> yes, fedora
[02:07] <Burgwork> but then we need a server distro
[02:08] <ajmitch> that must be a bit painfil
[02:08] <Burgwork> at which point I said: no fedora
[02:08] <ajmitch> s/fil/ful/
[02:08] <Burgwork> I don't want to migrate 15 servers every bloody six months
[02:08] <ajmitch> standardising on debian
[02:08] <Burgwork> to what?
[02:08] <Burgwork> we are probably going debian
[02:08] <Burgwork> as the other office "doesn't think Ubuntu is a server distro"
[02:09] <ajmitch> it depends if you want anything from universe
[02:09] <ajmitch> I still like debian a lot
[02:09] <Burgwork> true
[02:10] <ajmitch> even sarge feels modern compared to this centos pile of crap
[02:10] <Burgwork> zabbix is the only thing I can see requiring from universe
[02:10] <Burgwork> given the rest is either totally custom or pretty standard
[02:11] <ajmitch> hopefully debian can pick up its release cycle a bit in the future
[02:11] <ajmitch> like every 18 months or 2 years
[02:12] <Burgwork> they need to throw out some people and throw out some packages for that to work, I suspect
[02:13] <Burgwork> anyway, I have to run and go to class
[02:13] <ajmitch> alright
[02:13] <ajmitch> see you later