[12:20] New bug: #92076 in kubuntu-docs (main) "kubuntu-docs will not upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92076 === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:32] mdke, https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-based-help may need updating the status === bimberi [n=dave@207.210.77.85] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:14] when is the freeze for feisty gonna happen? [02:14] I wanna add bunch of stuff for serverguide [03:09] poningru: the freeze happend 5 days ago [03:09] :) [03:10] D*MN [03:10] yup [03:10] we had a couple of extra days only because LP didn't open for translations [03:10] there goes my dream of hardened portion to the guide :( [03:10] adding* === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === etchian_ [n=etchian@1meg-mtl-adsl219.securenet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:15] nixternal: you think I can convince md*e to give me exception? [03:15] if I write it up till end of this week [03:16] I highly doubt it, but it is always worth a try [03:20] crap :( === jjesse [n=jjesse@216.132.62.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === yetiman [n=yagerp@ip68-12-100-188.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:25] "insert a keyword"? oy === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:05] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3976 /kubuntu/ (11 files in 5 dirs): fixed errors to close 2 bugs - 91749 and 91927 - no strings changed at all [06:07] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3977 kubuntu/ (11 files in 5 dirs): merging feisty changes for packaging [06:09] go nixternal go [06:09] even better, we will see if it actually works.. [06:10] nixternal: /var/cache/apt/archives/kubuntu-docs_7.04-2_all.deb [06:10] err, actualy erroe E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [06:11] I know that -3 fixes the error with -2 but i did an update before I updated and still tries to do -2 [06:11] LaserJock: man, that was a pita, but it works like a super champ [06:11] that is the most beautiful package ever :) [06:12] it detects other doc packages, and when uninstalled will revert back to other installed firefox-homepages [06:12] it doesn't conflict [06:12] I love it! [06:12] dude, I am now the update-alternatives master! [06:12] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3978 /kubuntu/debian/dirs: we don't need that [06:13] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3979 kubuntu/debian/dirs: and we don't need that either [06:13] have any ideas about my error richard? [06:13] what error? [06:13] I just fixed that [06:13] that is the same as bug 91749 [06:13] Malone bug 91749 in kubuntu-docs "file confict with ubuntu-docs" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91749 [06:14] and bug 91927 [06:14] Malone bug 91927 in kubuntu-docs "Old doc directories not empty/deleted on upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91927 [06:14] wth, candidate is still -2 [06:14] yes [06:14] I just now finished -3 and will create a debdiff here shortly [06:14] uploaded, not commited [06:14] dammit, i thought it was in the repos already [06:14] grrrr. === Admiral_Chicago stops playing with APT, returns to graphic work [06:16] wo0t [06:16] 14k debdiff, nice and small [06:17] 14k?!? [06:27] very small ;p === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:35] New bug: #92157 in kubuntu-docs (main) "kubuntu-docs fails to install (dup-of: 91749)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92157 === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jubu [n=jbusam@60.242.113.21] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avno [n=ubuntu@athedsl-249949.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:35] How do I participate in a System Documentation translation team...? What is the appropriate link in the Rosetta website? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:40] New bug: #92227 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong url for Scribus in ubuntu-docs/office for Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92227 === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-68-118.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-79-171.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-79-171.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:37] mdke: I get the kubuntu-docs package fixed up so it doesn't conflict with any other docs right, it is a sweet package now :) Well, it gets uploaded, and breaks the build server! [04:37] haha [04:37] damn the luck [04:38] btw, what needs to get done manually? how do I get the firefox index for kubuntu translated as well? and I need a .desktop file translated as well === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === yetiman_ [n=yagerp@ip68-12-100-188.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-48-86.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@teacheradsl241.eduhi.at] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-48-86.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@212-139-78-17.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avno [n=ubuntu@athedsl-249949.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-68-255-101-167.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Smoke2k [n=Cary@64.19.116.149] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-76-69.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-76-69.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEDE34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === merriam [n=merriam@84-12-154-117.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-57-111.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === alena141 [n=vaffa@219.147.235.103] has joined #ubuntu-doc === huey [n=indovino@219.147.235.103] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zonda832 [n=skan@86.104.1.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cozjnwra [n=ford@86.104.1.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fiveboys [n=ma@86.104.1.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kaylen [n=pok@65.96.147.97] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HariNgG [n=klap@65.96.147.97] has joined #ubuntu-doc === danh [n=best@245-116-207-82.ip.ukrtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mihran [n=ghgh@217.12.202.108] has joined #ubuntu-doc === marty85 [n=hoho@86.57.53.238] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ruoxin [n=ghgh@86.57.53.238] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsdgfhhh [n=hoho@201.236.236.244] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tubetto [n=post@ipvpn073124.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DEMC [n=soon@66.18.176.162] has joined #ubuntu-doc === delois [n=bon@66.18.176.162] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mrmac [n=post@ipvpn073124.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fufy8 [n=porshe@ipvpn073124.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === youcef29 [n=vaffa@pcsp168-163.supercabletv.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-doc === livia [n=frate@200.80.189.204] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:23] How many people are part of your documentation team, overall? [11:25] etchian_: quite a few, only a handful really active right now though [11:28] is that 10, 100 or 1000? [11:29] etchian_: there's probably less than 10 active. [11:29] 20 at the most, less than.......what dsas just said [11:30] So who writes the doc then? Canonical? [11:30] etchian_: nope, hopeless people like us [11:30] well at least I am hopeless, I would rather not speak on everyone's behalf [11:31] So you mean you have a team of about 10 people to write the whole stuff. Wow. [11:31] Ever thought of changing your documentation team approach in the wiki? [11:32] heh [11:32] we do what we can [11:33] if you have a better idea we're all ears :-) [11:33] just a sec === nixternal is listening while trying to study [11:34] nixternal: did you catch the doc stuff from the Edubuntu meeting [11:35] kind of. I can't figure out what LTSP docs he is talking about [11:35] that would be bad if people are writing docs and not sharing here [11:35] nixternal: that stuff sbalneav wrote [11:35] nixternal: ogra said it's not there [11:36] it is there, everything that he wrote and put on HedgeMage's server is in our docs [11:36] unless he has been writing behind the scenes [11:36] What I am trying to understand, nixternal, is how can one help without having to deal with all these "ja buts" on the wiki about the documentation. [11:37] ja buts? that is a new one to me [11:37] hehe [11:37] It leaves the impression that unless you really are wiz-guru crack and a very good writer you better abstain. [11:37] etchian_: that would be the furthest from the truth, take me for example [11:38] etchian_: where do you get that impression? [11:38] there is no doubt our wiki docs need to be updated (2yr+ in age) [11:38] I read the wiki documentation - learn the style, learn to communicate, learn to be concise, know the other pages so you don't repeat. [11:39] Join a team (and how is somewhat evasive), fill those in progress, done, flag, "in approbation" (that was another term, but I forgot). [11:39] In the end, I just figured it would be simpler to make my own blog. [11:40] How many people react like me. Looks like a lot, from the doc member numbers you are giving me here. [11:41] hmm [11:41] I just got an account and started editing [11:41] not much to it [11:41] maybe we should just have "it'd be nice if you read this stuff, but if you can't be bothered just start writing" [11:41] That's what I usually do. Then I get noticed because I tend to be consistent, then... and the whole process develops. [11:42] well, I personally don't want people to working on the wiki if they aren't going to write anything decent [11:42] because then we have to go fix it [11:42] And I acknowledge that it is a very difficult job you are doing. [11:42] it's mostly just time consuming [11:42] because, as you said, we don't have a lot of people [11:43] We're back to : better be sure you make a good job before doing anything. It's a circular thing. [11:43] OK. Fair enough. I was just curious. [11:43] well, I'm just saying we need to "try" to have some sort of quality threshold [11:44] but maybe the docs aren't very clear that it's a pretty low bar [11:44] we certainly don't want to scare people off === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-133-166.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] Well, if you are difficult to approach you will continue seeing good documentation being developed outside the Ubuntu mother-ship. [11:47] are we difficult to approach? [11:47] Yes. [11:47] I think of the doc team as being very approachable [11:47] the wiki is open to all [11:47] we have open communications [11:47] we encourage contributions [11:48] I'm not quite sure why we'd be unapproachable :( === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:51] bodhi_zazen, hi. === jubu [n=jbusam@60.242.113.21] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:53] How is your team coming along, bodhi_zazen? [11:53] etchian_, I am quite happy with the team [11:54] How many did you get so far? [11:54] I am starting to get them to work on FAQ and learn their way arrount the wiki [11:54] From the forum material, or from something else? [11:55] Strting with the forums ... [11:55] *starting [11:55] I see. Just curious, what about the other bunch of people working on forum. Are they wiki-ing the same material? [11:56] UDSF ? [11:56] Yes. [11:56] UDSF seems to concentrate on the how-to 's [11:56] user submitted how-to's that is :) [11:56] I see. [11:58] I visited the forum, last night. At least your section, and the doc section. [11:58] :) [11:59] Thank you for visiting [11:59] Well, I could not visit #ubuntu-beginners, so I visited the forum. [11:59] LOL [11:59] #ubuntuforums-beginners [12:00] #ubuntu-beginners has been re-directed to #ubuntu [12:00] Yes, I have seen that. The first time, I thought I was missing a bolt in my brain. [12:00] The second time, I realized it was not to be. [12:02] Sorry for the confusion ... [12:02] If you invite somebody to contact you today, where would that be? [12:02] you are welcome to #ubuntuforums-beginners any time :) [12:03] I usually invite follks to the irc ... [12:03] is that what you are asking ? [12:03] You beginner pages clearly says that to reach bodhi_zazen, join #irc-beginners. [12:04] Oh nooooooooo . === jubu [n=jbusam@60.242.113.21] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [12:04] Which page ? [12:04] Oh yesss, lol. [12:05] I am looking for it. I have to many Ubuntu wiki pages open, lol [12:05] wiki page or forums ? [12:06] I got it, thanks :) [12:07] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team?highlight=%28Beginners%2F%29 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team?highlight=%28Beginners%2F%29 [12:08] refresh your page, should be fixed :) [12:09] thanks for that [12:09] #ubuntuforums-beginners [12:10] NP. [12:11] Anyway, thank you for the information, people. === bodhi_zazen [n=bodhizaz@stpete.helmednet.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc