[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92076 in kubuntu-docs (main) "kubuntu-docs will not upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92076
[12:32] <mpt> mdke, https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-based-help may need updating the status
[02:14] <poningru> when is the freeze for feisty gonna happen?
[02:14] <poningru> I wanna add bunch of stuff for serverguide
[03:09] <nixternal> poningru: the freeze happend 5 days ago
[03:09] <nixternal> :)
[03:10] <poningru> D*MN
[03:10] <nixternal> yup
[03:10] <nixternal> we had a couple of extra days only because LP didn't open for translations
[03:10] <poningru> there goes my dream of hardened portion to the guide :(
[03:10] <poningru> adding*
[03:15] <poningru> nixternal: you think I can convince md*e to give me exception?
[03:15] <poningru> if I write it up till end of this week
[03:16] <nixternal> I highly doubt it, but it is always worth a try
[03:20] <poningru> crap :(
[04:25] <mpt> "insert a keyword"? oy
[06:05] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3976 /kubuntu/ (11 files in 5 dirs): fixed errors to close 2 bugs - 91749 and 91927 - no strings changed at all
[06:07] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3977 kubuntu/ (11 files in 5 dirs): merging feisty changes for packaging
[06:09] <LaserJock> go nixternal go
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> even better, we will see if it actually works..
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal:  /var/cache/apt/archives/kubuntu-docs_7.04-2_all.deb
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> err, actualy erroe E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:11] <Admiral_Chicago> I know that -3 fixes the error with -2 but i did an update before I updated and still tries to do -2
[06:11] <nixternal> LaserJock: man, that was a pita, but it works like a super champ
[06:11] <nixternal> that is the most beautiful package ever :)
[06:12] <nixternal> it detects other doc packages, and when uninstalled will revert back to other installed firefox-homepages
[06:12] <nixternal> it doesn't conflict
[06:12] <nixternal> I love it!
[06:12] <nixternal> dude, I am now the update-alternatives master!
[06:12] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3978 /kubuntu/debian/dirs: we don't need that
[06:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3979 kubuntu/debian/dirs: and we don't need that either
[06:13] <Admiral_Chicago> have any ideas about my error richard?
[06:13] <nixternal> what error?
[06:13] <nixternal> I just fixed that
[06:13] <nixternal> that is the same as bug 91749
[06:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91749 in kubuntu-docs "file confict with ubuntu-docs" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91749
[06:14] <nixternal> and bug 91927
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91927 in kubuntu-docs "Old doc directories not empty/deleted on upgrade" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91927
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> wth, candidate is still -2
[06:14] <nixternal> yes
[06:14] <nixternal> I just now finished -3 and will create a debdiff here shortly
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> uploaded, not commited
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> dammit, i thought it was in the repos already
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> grrrr.
[06:16] <nixternal> wo0t
[06:16] <nixternal> 14k debdiff, nice and small
[06:17] <LaserJock> 14k?!?
[06:27] <nixternal> very small ;p
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92157 in kubuntu-docs (main) "kubuntu-docs fails to install (dup-of: 91749)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92157
[12:35] <avno> How do I participate in a System Documentation translation team...?  What is the appropriate link in the Rosetta website?
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92227 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong url for Scribus in ubuntu-docs/office for Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92227
[04:37] <nixternal> mdke: I get the kubuntu-docs package fixed up so it doesn't conflict with any other docs right, it is a sweet package now :)  Well, it gets uploaded, and breaks the build server!
[04:37] <nixternal> haha
[04:37] <nixternal> damn the luck
[04:38] <nixternal> btw, what needs to get done manually? how do I get the firefox index for kubuntu translated as well? and I need a .desktop file translated as well
[11:23] <etchian_> How many people are part of your documentation team, overall?
[11:25] <nixternal> etchian_: quite a few, only a handful really active right now though
[11:28] <etchian_> is that 10, 100 or 1000?
[11:29] <dsas> etchian_: there's probably less than 10 active.
[11:29] <nixternal> 20 at the most, less than.......what dsas just said
[11:30] <etchian_> So who writes the doc then?  Canonical?
[11:30] <nixternal> etchian_: nope, hopeless people like us
[11:30] <nixternal> well at least I am hopeless, I would rather not speak on everyone's behalf
[11:31] <etchian_> So you mean you have a team of about 10 people to write the whole stuff.  Wow.
[11:31] <etchian_> Ever thought of changing your documentation team approach in the wiki?
[11:32] <LaserJock> heh
[11:32] <LaserJock> we do what we can
[11:33] <LaserJock> if you have a better idea we're all ears :-)
[11:33] <etchian_> just a sec
[11:34] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you catch the doc stuff from the Edubuntu meeting
[11:35] <nixternal> kind of. I can't figure out what LTSP docs he is talking about
[11:35] <nixternal> that would be bad if people are writing docs and not sharing here
[11:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: that stuff sbalneav wrote
[11:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: ogra said it's not there
[11:36] <nixternal> it is there, everything that he wrote and put on HedgeMage's server is in our docs
[11:36] <nixternal> unless he has been writing behind the scenes
[11:36] <etchian_> What I am trying to understand, nixternal, is how can one help without having to deal with all these "ja buts" on the wiki about the documentation.
[11:37] <nixternal> ja buts? that is a new one to me
[11:37] <nixternal> hehe
[11:37] <etchian_> It leaves the impression that unless you really are wiz-guru crack and a very good writer you better abstain.
[11:37] <nixternal> etchian_: that would be the furthest from the truth, take me for example
[11:38] <LaserJock> etchian_: where do you get that impression?
[11:38] <nixternal> there is no doubt our wiki docs need to be updated (2yr+ in age)
[11:38] <etchian_> I read the wiki documentation - learn the style, learn to communicate, learn to be concise, know the other pages so you don't repeat.
[11:39] <etchian_> Join a team (and how is somewhat evasive), fill those in progress, done, flag, "in approbation" (that was another term, but I forgot).
[11:39] <etchian_> In the end, I just figured it would be simpler to make my own blog.
[11:40] <etchian_> How many people react like me.  Looks like a lot, from the doc member numbers you are giving me here.
[11:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:41] <LaserJock> I just got an account and started editing
[11:41] <LaserJock> not much to it
[11:41] <dsas> maybe we should just have "it'd be nice if you read this stuff, but if you can't be bothered just start writing"
[11:41] <etchian_> That's what I usually do.  Then I get noticed because I tend to be consistent, then... and the whole process develops.
[11:42] <LaserJock> well, I personally don't want people to working on the wiki if they aren't going to write anything decent
[11:42] <LaserJock> because then we have to go fix it
[11:42] <etchian_> And I acknowledge that it is a very difficult job you are doing.
[11:42] <LaserJock> it's mostly just time consuming
[11:42] <LaserJock> because, as you said, we don't have a lot of people
[11:43] <etchian_> We're back to :  better be sure you make a good job before doing anything.  It's a circular thing.
[11:43] <etchian_> OK.  Fair enough. I was just curious.
[11:43] <LaserJock> well, I'm just saying we need to "try" to have some sort of quality threshold
[11:44] <LaserJock> but maybe the docs aren't very clear that it's a pretty low bar
[11:44] <LaserJock> we certainly don't want to scare people off
[11:46] <etchian_> Well, if you are difficult to approach you will continue seeing good documentation being developed outside the Ubuntu mother-ship.
[11:47] <LaserJock> are we difficult to approach?
[11:47] <etchian_> Yes.
[11:47] <LaserJock> I think of the doc team as being very approachable
[11:47] <LaserJock> the wiki is open to all
[11:47] <LaserJock> we have open communications
[11:47] <LaserJock> we encourage contributions
[11:48] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure why we'd be unapproachable :(
[11:51] <etchian_> bodhi_zazen, hi.
[11:53] <etchian_> How is your team coming along, bodhi_zazen?
[11:53] <bodhi_zazen> etchian_, I am quite happy with the team
[11:54] <etchian_> How many did you get so far?
[11:54] <bodhi_zazen> I am starting to get them to work on FAQ and learn their way arrount the wiki
[11:54] <etchian_> From the forum material, or from something else?
[11:55] <bodhi_zazen> Strting with the forums ...
[11:55] <bodhi_zazen> *starting
[11:55] <etchian_> I see.  Just curious, what about the other bunch of people working on forum.  Are they wiki-ing the same material?
[11:56] <bodhi_zazen> UDSF ?
[11:56] <etchian_> Yes.
[11:56] <bodhi_zazen> UDSF seems to concentrate on the how-to 's
[11:56] <bodhi_zazen> user submitted how-to's that is :)
[11:56] <etchian_> I see.
[11:58] <etchian_> I visited the forum, last night.  At least your section, and the doc section.
[11:58] <bodhi_zazen> :)
[11:59] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you for visiting
[11:59] <etchian_> Well, I could not visit #ubuntu-beginners, so I visited the forum.
[11:59] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
[11:59] <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntuforums-beginners
[12:00] <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntu-beginners has been re-directed to #ubuntu
[12:00] <etchian_> Yes, I have seen that. The first time, I thought I was missing a bolt in my brain.
[12:00] <etchian_> The second time, I realized it was not to be.
[12:02] <bodhi_zazen> Sorry for the confusion ...
[12:02] <etchian_> If you invite somebody to contact you today, where would that be?
[12:02] <bodhi_zazen> you are welcome to #ubuntuforums-beginners any time :)
[12:03] <bodhi_zazen> I usually invite follks to the irc ...
[12:03] <bodhi_zazen> is that what you are asking ?
[12:03] <etchian_> You beginner pages clearly says that to reach bodhi_zazen, join #irc-beginners.
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> Oh nooooooooo .
[12:04] <bodhi_zazen> Which page ?
[12:04] <etchian_> Oh yesss, lol.
[12:05] <etchian_> I am looking for it.  I have to many Ubuntu wiki pages open, lol
[12:05] <bodhi_zazen> wiki page or forums ?
[12:06] <bodhi_zazen> I got it, thanks :)
[12:07] <etchian_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team?highlight=%28Beginners%2F%29 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team?highlight=%28Beginners%2F%29
[12:08] <bodhi_zazen> refresh your page, should be fixed :)
[12:09] <bodhi_zazen> thanks for that
[12:09] <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntuforums-beginners
[12:10] <etchian_> NP.
[12:11] <etchian_> Anyway, thank you for the information, people.