=== Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bimberi [n=dave@207.210.77.85] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=chatzill@203.111.235.139] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === beuno [n=martin@201-213-5-215.net.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:13] Admiral_Chicago: ping [02:15] hello beuno [02:15] hey rjian [02:17] beuno: wats the next UWN hehe i think i can write an article [02:17] what or where? === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:19] beuno: how can i write an article on UWN? [02:19] rjian: absolutely, what do you have in mind? [02:19] beuno: hehe writing article of FOSS Fiesta the Ubuntu-ph join the event [02:20] beuno: Conference on FOSS and E-Governance, FOSS Fiesta and Parallel Workshops on Joomla and Ubuntu [02:21] sure, write it and add it on the wiki [02:22] okie :) [02:35] beuno: i get the article from a blogs wer can i put it? i mean what sections? [02:35] "General Community News" is probably best [02:48] ok === rjian_ [n=chatzill@203.111.235.139] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === bordy240 [n=bordy@153-161.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:41] evenin', urrbody. [03:45] hey [03:58] bueno: can i save 1st my work and back it again later? [04:02] rjian_: yeap, np [04:02] beuno: hehe i have to think wat will i write hehe i just put and introduction.. [04:04] rjian_: sure, think it over, if you want, you can email it to me and I'll give it a look before it goes in [04:05] ive already save it but not yet complete hehe i have to think how to write it again [04:05] sure, it's going to be released on sunday, so you've got time [04:05] :) ok [04:06] how would one get involved with UWN by the way? [04:06] bordy240: are you familiar with it? [04:07] I mean, have you read a couple of them? [04:08] it doesn't really take much more then just finding out what needs to be done, and just add it in the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue32 [04:11] sweet === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:14] beuno: take a look on my article hehe [04:17] beuno: did u put the link on the community news? [04:21] bordy240: I'm here if you have any questions [04:21] rjian_: what link? [04:22] beuno: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/817 [04:22] can i copy paste it on our UWN? [04:23] rjian_: yes, I added those to be summed up [04:23] I'm not sure that we should paste the whole text "as-is" [04:23] beuno: yup i know.. i try to summed it up.. [04:23] rjian_: great then [04:24] just don't remove the link :D [04:25] beuno: ok.. also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations is just on one link hehe [04:25] yes, it's the link where users can go and translate [04:32] beuno: ok ill try to sum it up and u edit it later.. [04:33] rjian_: great, greatly appreciated === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:39] I am about to smash my computer, so UWN might be out of the question! [04:41] bordy240: np, it's a weekly release, you'll get plenty of chances [05:15] beuno: pong. MT write up? ill do it [05:15] bbiab [05:18] Admiral_Chicago: great! just wanted to give you the thumbs up on the community spotlight [05:18] I'm off to bed [05:22] don't forget to add my massive attack on the KTorrent security patch for every architecture on every release from breezy to feisty either! :) [05:23] and while you are at it, don't forget about the big updating bug I introduced to the kubuntu-docs package ;p === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:57] nixternal: willdo === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@pool-71-96-115-128.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Cnl_Delta [i=Cnl_Delt@124.125.37.230] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=rjian@203.111.235.139] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mrevell [n=matthew@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B24892.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === freelancer317 [n=bfledder@pool-71-251-145-4.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Cnl_Delta [i=Cnl_Delt@124.125.39.172] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === feravolo [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === cocojambo [n=admin@83.218.193.70] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat [n=danbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === aerdhyl [n=aerdhyl@85.69.194.74] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-68-118.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === PirateHead [n=chatzill@ti500710a080-11601.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:11] Room live? === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:15] hi. would it be possible to add a link to he powerpc iso to the herd5 announcement page? === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-79-171.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:16] it has move to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/herd-5/ (note the ports) and a lot of powerpc people can't find it === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-79-171.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Cnl_Delta [i=Cnl_Delt@124.125.39.172] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === PirateHead [n=chatzill@ti500710a080-11601.bb.online.no] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === MitchM [n=MitchM@63.78.48.3] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-48-86.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-48-86.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === freelancer317 [n=bfledder@pool-71-251-145-4.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-170.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spenlex [n=martin@pD9E00960.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C28e6.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-68-255-101-167.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:00] anyone here conscious? [08:00] ... [08:10] nope... [08:12] nay === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-76-69.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-76-69.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@ubuntu/member/admiral-chicago] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === meatballhat [n=danbuch@ubuntu/member/meatballhat] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Ubuntu] === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@adsl-69-209-57-111.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === admiralprim3 [n=freddy@adsl-69-209-57-111.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Lord_Maynoth [n=lordmayn@h184.86.82.206.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:30] hello [10:30] I had what I thought was a great idea... and was told to bring it here to this channel === omgponiezlol [n=freddy@adsl-68-255-97-149.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:31] Why not create an Ubuntu Idea Storm... so that average users can help with feedback and improve ubuntu [10:31] the best suggestions would float to the top... and help prioritize things [10:32] something like ideastorm.ubuntu.com [10:32] hmm [10:33] Lord_Maynoth: the best thing to do with marketing ideas is to elaborate them in an email to ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com [10:33] well I wasn't sure this was a marketing idea so much [10:33] but I was told to come here [10:34] do I need a subscription to send email to that address? [10:34] I think this is probably the best (maybe not ideal) place [10:34] but I did mention the mailing list is the best way to go ;) [10:34] I signed up for the launchpad mailing address [10:34] where do I signup for the marketing [10:35] jenda: can I grab your attention for a few minutes? [10:35] Lord_Maynoth: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing [10:35] beuno: awww [10:35] beuno: I was about to go to bed! [10:35] :) [10:35] beuno: take that as a 'yes' [10:35] and you think marketing is the best place to send this idea? [10:35] I'm really good at catching you in those "about to" moments :D [10:35] beuno: i did the write up, did you see it? [10:35] or is their some other dept. that would be better? [10:35] Admiral_Chicago: yes, it's great! UWN #32 is really shaping up! [10:36] Lord_Maynoth: I'm not sure... it seems... well, as if we already had mechanisms for ideas and feedback... [10:36] jenda: it's about the mail on forums -> launchpad integration [10:36] ah [10:36] you seemeed pretty connected with ubuntuforums admins [10:37] and I just found a way to go ahead with this without launchpad devs help [10:37] as any staffer could be ;) [10:37] hmm [10:37] I will still bug them, but at least I can go forward with it [10:37] I've even installed vbulletin and done tests [10:37] :D [10:38] the main idea is to be able to asociate bugs with threads [10:38] so, to start off, users can add the bug ID as a tag [10:38] and a small but handy PHP script can get the info for the "numeric" tags and show the related bugs status and link [10:39] I really don't think it would be hard to implement [10:39] hmm [10:39] beuno: that's some good stuff... [10:39] (I said PHP, it can be python too) [10:40] and I've found out how to get that info and parse it from launchpad [10:40] so basically it's up to the forum people [10:40] I was just wondering jenda, what mechanisms for user feedback are there besides the forums? [10:41] I do want the "related forum threads" on launchpad, but it's harder to get those peoples attention, so it will take a bit longer [10:41] Lord_Maynoth: what kind of feedback? [10:41] Lord_Maynoth: umm... forums ;) [10:42] well say for things users think could be improved upon, annoyances, bugs, etc [10:42] beuno: could you write that up in a single post in the forum feedback part? [10:42] I just think something like dell's idea storm could help make ubuntu even better [10:42] I'll link to it from the staff forum. [10:43] jenda: absolutely, on it [10:43] beuno: and then, I'll prod them about it till they do it... ;) [10:43] Lord_Maynoth: have you seen launchpad? [10:43] and now, I'm just about to collapse... [10:43] jenda: I've also got some responses from launchpad devs like: beuno: if that's of some confort to you, I've flagged your email as TODO as I intend to reply to it, just not got the time yet [10:43] yes but it seems to complex for the adverage joe... [10:44] beuno: if you want to be sure I don't forget, drop me a tiny short reminder email ;) [10:44] jenda: go sleep, thanks [10:44] I will send you an email with the link [10:44] g'night [10:44] [10:44] night [10:44] night [10:44] Lord_Maynoth: I agree, but forums aren't [10:45] and there is a specific team being built to take the forum information to launchpad [10:45] well thats true... but forums aren't very conducive for suggestions [10:45] so that might solve it [10:45] heh, well, it's going to be a hard battle to get some attention, but I think it's worth a try [10:45] write up a clear and easy to read email [10:45] send it to the mailing list [10:46] that way some people with decision power can read about it [10:49] Lord_Maynoth: the problem with ideastorms is that they have a habit of being lemming indicators [10:49] plus they give false hope [10:49] because some requests are not as simple as they look, etc. === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:51] hello all [10:52] lemming? [10:53] Lord_Maynoth: hrmm? [10:55] does anyone know of anyway one can create an ideastorm style website [10:55] are there any premade hosting options for such a thing? [10:56] Lord_Maynoth: are you the one suggesting that one the forums [10:57] yes [10:57] I was advised to come here [10:57] I am writing up an email to the marketing list and launchpad list [10:58] Ok, well, I tell you what [10:58] Lord_Maynoth: the Ubuntu wiki is probably what you're looking for [10:58] I've been working privately on something similiar, so I'll give you my personal email and we can collaborate. [10:58] to get a good proposal together, if you like. [10:58] Lord_Maynoth: I'm not sure launchpad is the place to go === beuno steps aside [10:59] cool adamant [10:59] beuno: launchpad like functions actually WOULD help this along [11:00] adamant1988: I agree, but it's going to be *very* hard to get the devs to add whole new section to launchpad [11:00] beuno: I was hoping shuttleworth could be convinced to open up another launchpad all together, with a more community oriented focus. [11:01] beuno: launchpad right now is for Devs and such, a community launchpad would be for things just like this. [11:01] adamant1988: AFAIK, he's already convinced, it's just that the code isn't at a stage where it can be opened [11:01] yes... I think the users could provide invaluable feedback and suggestions [11:01] Lord_Maynoth: There are LOTS of ways for users to provide feedback and suggestions. [11:02] The problem is (as I see it) that the marketing team has not done the work collectively to harnass those. [11:02] a simple idea storm for suggestions, annoyances, and bugs, would be much more conducive because the best would float tot he top [11:02] Eh... [11:02] You're asking too much of it already [11:02] Launchpad is for handling bugs and such, and it does very well at it. [11:02] Lord_Maynoth: comments and bug duplicates are a good indication of bugs that need attention already [11:03] but average users don't know how to do use launchpad [11:03] Lord_Maynoth: That isn't a problem come April. [11:03] I'm using Feisty right now, and I've yet to go to launchpad to submit a bug, but I've submitted about 5 of them [11:03] It's automated in feisty [11:03] well perhaps just a idea-storm for just suggestions and annoyances.. [11:04] Well, first off, calling it an ideastorm isn't proper. ideastorm implies brainstorming, which is just not what that is. [11:04] No, if you're talking about a suggestions site with a dig-esque interface, that can be done. [11:05] although I think that there are better ways to do it, personally. [11:05] going all "web 2.0" will just complicate an procedure that doesn't need to be nearly that complicated. [11:06] your right... [11:06] as I said, I'll give you my personal email and we can talk about it: myname@gmail.com [11:06] cool [11:06] thanks [11:06] and by myname, you know what I mean [11:07] haha I am a n00b but not that n00bish :B [11:07] I've seen a lot of smart people make that mistake. [11:08] k I sent an email to u [11:08] Anyway Lord_Maynoth I'm more in favor of collecting information with a higher number of people involved. [11:08] yes me 2 [11:09] I believe in the collective power sites like digg have [11:09] Well, the only way to do that really is to try to include them directly in Ubuntu, in some fashion. [11:09] Lord_Maynoth: Digg has the power of group manipulation at it's side. It is VERY poor for representing people's true opinions (past comments) in my opinion. [11:10] Digg is good for news because it gets good news out there fast, it is a bad idea for opinions. [11:10] Opinions, suggestions, etc. should be collected individually and then checked for similarities. [11:10] seems like a lot of work [11:10] any way to automate that process? [11:10] When you put a group of people together, they typically will come to some kind of an agreement about what they think, I've seen case studies that prove this. [11:11] Ubuntu would benefit more from the invidivual suggestion [11:12] I've been meaning to talk to the marketing team about collecting this information. [11:13] Although I'm more in favor of putting links to Surveys directly inside of Ubuntu. [11:15] adamant1988: polls are available in launchpad already! [11:16] beuno: In launchpad?! [11:16] You don't say [11:16] You mean that high traffic site that no user ever visits? [11:16] https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing [11:16] Gah! why didn't I think of that. [11:16] see "Polls" option on the left === beuno smells the irony [11:17] I understand [11:17] It's hard to get good feedback when no one sees the polls. [11:17] you want to reach out to new users [11:17] particularly not the no-ones that we WANT to be seeing the polls. [11:22] anyone know any sites that allow digg style voting in a premade format? [11:22] Lord_Maynoth: get off the digg thing [11:22] haha [11:22] ok [11:22] I was just thinking about setting up my own site [11:22] If you really want someone's opinion, you don't ask the group. [11:23] Lord_Maynoth: it might benefit more users if you try to get it done through the Ubuntu Community, it might be harder, but I think eventually it can have a bigger effect [11:24] well so far everyone I have talked to said it would be too much work to implement and maintain [11:27] Lord_Maynoth: yes, but don't be discourged by that, you just have to keep on pushing and seing how your idea can integrate with the existing platform [11:27] just try to be understanding [11:28] I am working on getting something going on my site using pligg [11:32] Lord_Maynoth: working together with adamant1988 might be a good idea [11:32] Lord_Maynoth: It's not about maintaining it. If you turn these ideas into #'s that can be watched for similarities then it's not a big deal to keep track of it. [11:33] thats a little of of my league.. [11:33] but pligg seems very versatile [11:33] you might wanna check it out [11:33] http://www.pligg.com/ [11:34] hrmm. === freelancer317 [n=bfledder@pool-71-251-145-4.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:35] I still disagree with going with the digg-idea. [11:38] anywho guys I gotta run [11:38] ttyl === Mike_F [n=mike@user-0c6s66t.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing