[02:13] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: ping
[02:15] <rjian> hello beuno 
[02:15] <beuno> hey rjian
[02:17] <rjian> beuno: wats the next UWN hehe i think i can write an article
[02:17] <beuno> what or where?
[02:19] <rjian> beuno: how can i write an article on UWN? 
[02:19] <beuno> rjian: absolutely, what do you have in mind?
[02:19] <rjian> beuno: hehe writing article of FOSS Fiesta the Ubuntu-ph join the event
[02:20] <rjian> beuno: Conference on FOSS and E-Governance, FOSS Fiesta and Parallel Workshops on Joomla and Ubuntu
[02:21] <beuno> sure, write it and add it on the wiki
[02:22] <rjian> okie :)
[02:35] <rjian> beuno: i get the article from a blogs wer can i put it? i mean what sections?
[02:35] <beuno> "General Community News" is probably best
[02:48] <rjian> ok
[03:41] <bordy240> evenin', urrbody.
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> hey
[03:58] <rjian_> bueno: can i save 1st my work and back it again later?
[04:02] <beuno> rjian_: yeap, np
[04:02] <rjian_> beuno: hehe i have to think wat will i write hehe i just put and introduction.. 
[04:04] <beuno> rjian_: sure, think it over, if you want, you can email it to me and I'll give it a look before it goes in
[04:05] <rjian_> ive already save it but not yet complete hehe i have to think how to write it again
[04:05] <beuno> sure, it's going to be released on sunday, so you've got time
[04:05] <rjian_> :) ok
[04:06] <bordy240> how would one get involved with UWN by the way?
[04:06] <beuno> bordy240: are you familiar with it?
[04:07] <beuno> I mean, have you read a couple of them?
[04:08] <beuno> it doesn't really take much more then just finding out what needs to be done, and just add it in the wiki:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue32
[04:11] <bordy240> sweet
[04:14] <rjian_> beuno: take a look on my article hehe
[04:17] <rjian_> beuno: did u put the link on the community news?
[04:21] <beuno> bordy240: I'm here if you have any questions
[04:21] <beuno> rjian_: what link?
[04:22] <rjian_> beuno: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/817
[04:22] <rjian_> can i copy paste it on our UWN?
[04:23] <beuno> rjian_: yes, I added those to be summed up
[04:23] <beuno> I'm not sure that we should paste the whole text "as-is"
[04:23] <rjian_> beuno: yup i know.. i try to summed it up..
[04:23] <beuno> rjian_: great then
[04:24] <beuno> just don't remove the link  :D
[04:25] <rjian_> beuno: ok.. also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+translations is just on one link hehe
[04:25] <beuno> yes, it's the link where users can go and translate
[04:32] <rjian_> beuno: ok ill try to sum it up and u edit it later..
[04:33] <beuno> rjian_: great, greatly appreciated
[04:39] <bordy240> I am about to smash my computer, so UWN might be out of the question!
[04:41] <beuno> bordy240: np, it's a weekly release, you'll get plenty of chances
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: pong. MT write up? ill do it
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> bbiab
[05:18] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: great!  just wanted to give you the thumbs up on the community spotlight
[05:18] <beuno> I'm off to bed
[05:22] <nixternal> don't forget to add my massive attack on the KTorrent security patch for every architecture on every release from breezy to feisty either! :)
[05:23] <nixternal> and while you are at it, don't forget about the big updating bug I introduced to the kubuntu-docs package ;p
[05:57] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: willdo
[04:11] <PirateHead> Room live?
[04:15] <ssam> hi. would it be possible to add a link to he powerpc iso to the herd5 announcement page?
[04:16] <ssam> it has move to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/herd-5/ (note the ports) and a lot of powerpc people can't find it
[08:00] <adamant1988> anyone here conscious? 
[08:00] <adamant1988> ...
[08:10] <jenda> nope...
[08:12] <MitchM> nay
[10:30] <Lord_Maynoth> hello
[10:30] <Lord_Maynoth> I had what I thought was a great idea... and was told to bring it here to this channel
[10:31] <Lord_Maynoth> Why not create an Ubuntu Idea Storm... so that average users can help with feedback and improve ubuntu
[10:31] <Lord_Maynoth> the best suggestions would float to the top... and help prioritize things
[10:32] <Lord_Maynoth> something like ideastorm.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <jenda> hmm
[10:33] <jenda> Lord_Maynoth: the best thing to do with marketing ideas is to elaborate them in an email to ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:33] <Lord_Maynoth> well I wasn't sure this was a marketing idea so much
[10:33] <Lord_Maynoth> but I was told to come here
[10:34] <Lord_Maynoth> do I need a subscription to send email to that address?
[10:34] <beuno> I think this is probably the best (maybe not ideal) place
[10:34] <beuno> but I did mention the mailing list is the best way to go  ;)
[10:34] <Lord_Maynoth> I signed up for the launchpad mailing address
[10:34] <Lord_Maynoth> where do I signup for the marketing 
[10:35] <beuno> jenda: can I grab your attention for a few minutes?
[10:35] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[10:35] <jenda> beuno: awww
[10:35] <jenda> beuno: I was about to go to bed!
[10:35] <jenda> :)
[10:35] <jenda> beuno: take that as a 'yes'
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> and you think marketing is the best place to send this idea?
[10:35] <beuno> I'm really good at catching you in those "about to" moments  :D
[10:35] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: i did the write up, did you see it?
[10:35] <Lord_Maynoth> or is their some other dept. that would be better?
[10:35] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: yes, it's great!   UWN #32 is really shaping up!
[10:36] <jenda> Lord_Maynoth: I'm not sure... it seems... well, as if we already had mechanisms for ideas and feedback...
[10:36] <beuno> jenda: it's about the mail on forums -> launchpad integration
[10:36] <jenda> ah
[10:36] <beuno> you seemeed pretty connected with ubuntuforums admins
[10:37] <beuno> and I just found a way to go ahead with this without launchpad devs help
[10:37] <jenda> as any staffer could be ;)
[10:37] <jenda> hmm
[10:37] <beuno> I will still bug them, but at least I can go forward with it
[10:37] <beuno> I've even installed vbulletin and done tests
[10:37] <beuno> :D
[10:38] <beuno> the main idea is to be able to asociate bugs with threads
[10:38] <beuno> so, to start off, users can add the bug ID as a tag
[10:38] <beuno> and a small but handy PHP script can get the info for the "numeric" tags and show the related bugs status and link
[10:39] <beuno> I really don't think it would be hard to implement
[10:39] <jenda> hmm
[10:39] <jenda> beuno: that's some good stuff...
[10:39] <beuno> (I said PHP, it can be python too)
[10:40] <beuno> and I've found out how to get that info and parse it from launchpad
[10:40] <beuno> so basically it's up to the forum people
[10:40] <Lord_Maynoth> I was just wondering jenda, what mechanisms for user feedback are there besides the forums?
[10:41] <beuno> I do want the "related forum threads" on launchpad, but it's harder to get those peoples attention, so it will take a bit longer
[10:41] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: what kind of feedback?
[10:41] <jenda> Lord_Maynoth: umm... forums ;)
[10:42] <Lord_Maynoth> well say for things users think could be improved upon,  annoyances, bugs, etc 
[10:42] <jenda> beuno: could you write that up in a single post in the forum feedback part?
[10:42] <Lord_Maynoth> I just think something like dell's idea storm could help make ubuntu even better
[10:42] <jenda> I'll link to it from the staff forum.
[10:43] <beuno> jenda: absolutely, on it
[10:43] <jenda> beuno: and then, I'll prod them about it till they do it... ;)
[10:43] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: have you seen launchpad?
[10:43] <jenda> and now, I'm just about to collapse...
[10:43] <beuno> jenda: I've also got some responses from launchpad devs like:  <flacoste> beuno: if that's of some confort to you, I've flagged your email as TODO as I intend to reply to it, just not got the time yet
[10:43] <Lord_Maynoth> yes but it seems to complex for the adverage joe... 
[10:44] <jenda> beuno: if you want to be sure I don't forget, drop me a tiny short reminder email ;)
[10:44] <beuno> jenda: go sleep, thanks
[10:44] <beuno> I will send you an email with the link
[10:44] <beuno> g'night
[10:44] <jenda> 
[10:44] <jenda> night
[10:44] <Lord_Maynoth> night
[10:44] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: I agree, but forums aren't
[10:45] <beuno> and there is a specific team being built to take the forum information to launchpad
[10:45] <Lord_Maynoth> well thats true... but forums aren't very conducive for suggestions 
[10:45] <beuno> so that might solve it
[10:45] <beuno> heh, well, it's going to be a hard battle to get some attention, but I think it's worth a try
[10:45] <beuno> write up a clear and easy to read email
[10:45] <beuno> send it to the mailing list
[10:46] <beuno> that way some people with decision power can read about it
[10:49] <Burgwork> Lord_Maynoth: the problem with ideastorms is that they have a habit of being lemming indicators
[10:49] <Burgwork> plus they give false hope
[10:49] <Burgwork> because some requests are not as simple as they look, etc.
[10:51] <adamant1988> hello all
[10:52] <Lord_Maynoth> lemming?
[10:53] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: hrmm?
[10:55] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone know of anyway one can create an ideastorm style website
[10:55] <Lord_Maynoth> are there any premade hosting options for such a thing?
[10:56] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: are you the one suggesting that one the forums
[10:57] <Lord_Maynoth> yes
[10:57] <Lord_Maynoth> I was advised to come here
[10:57] <Lord_Maynoth> I am writing up an email to the marketing list and launchpad list
[10:58] <adamant1988> Ok, well, I tell you what
[10:58] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: the Ubuntu wiki is probably what you're looking for
[10:58] <adamant1988> I've been working privately on something similiar, so I'll give you my personal email and we can collaborate. 
[10:58] <adamant1988> to get a good proposal together, if you like.
[10:58] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: I'm not sure launchpad is the place to go
[10:59] <Lord_Maynoth> cool adamant
[10:59] <adamant1988> beuno: launchpad like functions actually WOULD help this along
[11:00] <beuno> adamant1988: I agree, but it's going to be *very* hard to get the devs to add whole new section to launchpad
[11:00] <adamant1988> beuno: I was hoping shuttleworth could be convinced to open up another launchpad all together, with a more community oriented focus.
[11:01] <adamant1988> beuno: launchpad right now is for Devs and such, a community launchpad would be for things just like this.
[11:01] <beuno> adamant1988: AFAIK, he's already convinced, it's just that the code isn't at a stage where it can be opened
[11:01] <Lord_Maynoth> yes... I think the users could provide invaluable feedback and suggestions
[11:01] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: There are LOTS of ways for users to provide feedback and suggestions.
[11:02] <adamant1988> The problem is (as I see it) that the marketing team has not done the work collectively to harnass those. 
[11:02] <Lord_Maynoth> a simple idea storm for suggestions, annoyances, and bugs, would be much more conducive because the best would float tot he top
[11:02] <adamant1988> Eh...
[11:02] <adamant1988> You're asking too much of it already
[11:02] <adamant1988> Launchpad is for handling bugs and such, and it does very well at it.
[11:02] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: comments and bug duplicates are a good indication of bugs that need attention already
[11:03] <Lord_Maynoth> but average users don't know how to do use launchpad
[11:03] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: That isn't a problem come April.
[11:03] <adamant1988> I'm using Feisty right now, and I've yet to go to launchpad to submit a bug, but I've submitted about 5 of them
[11:03] <adamant1988> It's automated in feisty
[11:03] <Lord_Maynoth> well perhaps just a idea-storm for just suggestions and annoyances..
[11:04] <adamant1988> Well, first off, calling it an ideastorm isn't proper.  ideastorm implies brainstorming, which is just not what that is.
[11:04] <adamant1988> No, if you're talking about a suggestions site with a dig-esque interface, that can be done.
[11:05] <adamant1988> although I think that there are better ways to do it, personally.
[11:05] <adamant1988> going all "web 2.0" will just complicate an procedure that doesn't need to be nearly that complicated. 
[11:06] <Lord_Maynoth> your right... 
[11:06] <adamant1988> as I said, I'll give you my personal email and we can talk about it:  myname@gmail.com
[11:06] <Lord_Maynoth> cool
[11:06] <Lord_Maynoth> thanks
[11:06] <adamant1988> and by myname, you know what I mean
[11:07] <Lord_Maynoth> haha I am a n00b but not that n00bish :B
[11:07] <adamant1988> I've seen a lot of smart people make that mistake.
[11:08] <Lord_Maynoth> k I sent an email to u
[11:08] <adamant1988> Anyway Lord_Maynoth I'm more in favor of collecting information with a higher number of people involved. 
[11:08] <Lord_Maynoth> yes me 2
[11:09] <Lord_Maynoth> I believe in the collective power sites like digg have
[11:09] <adamant1988> Well, the only way to do that really is to try to include them directly in Ubuntu, in some fashion.
[11:09] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: Digg has the power of group manipulation at it's side.  It is VERY poor for representing people's true opinions (past comments) in my opinion.
[11:10] <adamant1988> Digg is good for news because it gets good news out there fast, it is a bad idea for opinions.
[11:10] <adamant1988> Opinions, suggestions, etc. should be collected individually and then checked for similarities. 
[11:10] <Lord_Maynoth> seems like a lot of work
[11:10] <Lord_Maynoth> any way to automate that process?
[11:10] <adamant1988> When you put a group of people together, they typically will come to some kind of an agreement about what they think, I've seen case studies that prove this.
[11:11] <adamant1988> Ubuntu would benefit more from the invidivual suggestion
[11:12] <adamant1988> I've been meaning to talk to the marketing team about collecting this information.
[11:13] <adamant1988> Although I'm more in favor of putting links to Surveys directly inside of Ubuntu.
[11:15] <beuno> adamant1988: polls are available in launchpad already!
[11:16] <adamant1988> beuno: In launchpad?! 
[11:16] <adamant1988> You don't say
[11:16] <adamant1988> You mean that high traffic site that no user ever visits?
[11:16] <beuno> https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing
[11:16] <adamant1988> Gah! why didn't I think of that.
[11:16] <beuno> see "Polls" option on the left
[11:17] <beuno> I understand
[11:17] <adamant1988> It's hard to get good feedback when no one sees the polls.
[11:17] <beuno> you want to reach out to new users
[11:17] <adamant1988> particularly not the no-ones that we WANT to be seeing the polls.
[11:22] <Lord_Maynoth> anyone know any sites that allow digg style voting in a premade format?
[11:22] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: get off the digg thing
[11:22] <Lord_Maynoth> haha
[11:22] <Lord_Maynoth> ok
[11:22] <Lord_Maynoth> I was just thinking about setting up my own site
[11:22] <adamant1988> If you really want someone's opinion, you don't ask the group.
[11:23] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: it might benefit more users if you try to get it done through the Ubuntu Community, it might be harder, but I think eventually it can have a bigger effect
[11:24] <Lord_Maynoth> well so far everyone I have talked to said it would be too much work to implement and maintain
[11:27] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: yes, but don't be discourged by that, you just have to keep on pushing and seing how your idea can integrate with the existing platform
[11:27] <beuno> just try to be understanding
[11:28] <Lord_Maynoth> I am working on getting something going on my site using pligg
[11:32] <beuno> Lord_Maynoth: working together with adamant1988 might be a good idea
[11:32] <adamant1988> Lord_Maynoth: It's not about maintaining it.  If you turn these ideas into #'s that can be watched for similarities then it's not a big deal to keep track of it.
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> thats a little of of my league..
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> but pligg seems very versatile 
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> you might wanna check it out
[11:33] <Lord_Maynoth> http://www.pligg.com/
[11:34] <adamant1988> hrmm.
[11:35] <adamant1988> I still disagree with going with the digg-idea.
[11:38] <Lord_Maynoth> anywho guys I gotta run
[11:38] <Lord_Maynoth> ttyl