[01:17] <highvoltage> @schedule
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 19:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00: MOTU Council | 17 Mar 15:00: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 15:00: Kernel Team
[03:39] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
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[04:57] <pochu> stgraber: feel free to join #ubuntu-iso :)
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[06:52] <sid> @schedule New_York
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 15:00: Audio Team | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 06:00: MOTU Council | 17 Mar 11:00: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 11:00: Kernel Team
[09:04] <cbx33> hey ogra
[09:04] <pips1> hi
[09:04] <RichEd> hey ogra
[09:04] <highvoltage> howdy
[09:04] <Burgwork> greetings
[09:04] <RichEd> pips1:
[09:04] <RichEd> highvoltage
[09:04] <RichEd> And mr burger
[09:04] <cbx33> hey Burgwork
[09:04] <pips1> :-)
[09:05] <cbx33> does the chapter look ok?
[09:05] <Burgwork> not looked at it yuet
[09:05] <cbx33> hehe
[09:05] <cbx33> oh yeh
[09:05] <cbx33> can /me have a copy?
[09:05] <Burgwork> yep
[09:06] <ogra> so lets get started
[09:06] <cbx33> indeed
[09:07] <RichEd> Ogra : Technical is all yours
[09:07] <ogra> i did a huge amount of ltsp fixes over the last days, people watching the feisty-changes list might have noticed that we are shipping a ltsp 5.0 package now officially https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-March/007075.html
[09:08] <cbx33> :D
[09:08] <cbx33> nice one ogra
[09:08] <cbx33> you rock
[09:08] <ogra> (with full ltsp.org agreement)
[09:08] <cbx33> that rocks
[09:09] <ogra> alongside the ltsp.org guys now ship our ltsp as tarball http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
[09:09] <highvoltage> ogra: it's going to be called 5.0.1, right?
[09:09] <cbx33> awesome
[09:09] <ogra> which means since you dont get ltsp5 for any other distros, that all peaople will boot debian or ubuntu clients until thats changed
[09:09] <ogra> ;)
[09:09] <cbx33> :)
[09:10] <ogra> which indeed has the ubuntu usplash and ldm ;) ;) ;)
[09:10] <cbx33> hehe
[09:10] <cbx33> did my reset button make it?
[09:10] <ogra> that will either bring us a lot of artwork submissions or ltsp.org the desired implementation in other distros ;)
[09:10] <cbx33> heheh
[09:11] <ogra> cbx33, thats the reason i pasted the changelog address, you can look up if the reset button made it ;)
[09:11] <cbx33> hehe
[09:12] <cbx33> are we in using cairo now?
[09:12] <cbx33> for ldm?
[09:12] <ogra> the isos look ok so far, i didnt manage to make any test install yet but plan to do so tomorrow morning
[09:12] <ogra> the cairo stuff for ldm is feisty+1 material ...
[09:12] <cbx33> ahh
[09:12] <cbx33> cool
[09:12] <ogra> i only have the engine ready, but things like menus and buttons are not in yet
[09:13] <ogra> and i'm not sure i want to keep it in pygtk
[09:13] <cbx33> ogra: what you wanna make it?
[09:13] <ogra> highvoltage, something about /proc/fd ?
[09:13] <ogra> cbx33, C probably ...
[09:13] <highvoltage> ogra: yes
[09:13] <ogra> no toolkit at all ...
[09:14] <cbx33> I can help you a little there then i hope
[09:14] <cbx33> my c has imporved since last week
[09:14] <ogra> highvoltage, thats worked around in the mentioned upload, a final fix is in my next upload
[09:14] <ogra> cbx33, well, it will be a lot Xlib programming ...
[09:14] <ogra> Xlib is the worst C lib you can touch
[09:14] <cbx33> heheh
[09:14] <ogra> but its fast and slim
[09:15] <cbx33> cool
[09:15] <cbx33> I'll help anyway I can
[09:15] <ogra> anyway, i plan to have a spec for ldm refurbishing for feisty, we can discuss it in sevilla
[09:15] <ogra> so much about te good tech news
[09:16] <cbx33> ?
[09:16] <ogra> the bad news are that TCM isnt ready yet, i just got another bunch of ltsp fixes and patches i need to review
[09:16] <cbx33> :(
[09:16] <ogra> and that we dont have any artwork yet
[09:16] <cbx33> well
[09:16] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[09:16] <cbx33> check out the first wallpaper
[09:17] <ogra> blue
[09:17] <cbx33> lisa did it today
[09:18] <cbx33> well you said you like the one before...
[09:18] <ogra> can she change the colors ?
[09:18] <cbx33> we can change hue
[09:18] <ogra> something that fits the colorscheme we have
[09:18] <ogra> i liked the yellow/orange we had in edgy, but it was way to saturated ... probably an adaption of this color ...
[09:18] <cbx33> ok
[09:18] <ogra> could someone else please alo have an opinion on that ?
[09:18] <ogra> *also
[09:18] <cbx33> you like the concept?
[09:18] <ogra> yes
[09:19] <ogra> i like it as is, i'm just not keen on blue
[09:19] <pips1> I'm not keen on blue either
[09:19] <cbx33> cool
[09:20] <pips1> I think blue is the color that statistically most people like, though
[09:20] <ogra> whats that text at the bottom right ?
[09:20] <Burgwork> pips1: blue is also not really a colour people associate with Ubuntu/Edubuntu, and lots of other vendors use it
[09:20] <cbx33> it's from the edubuntu homepage i think
[09:20] <ogra> ah
[09:20] <pips1> Burgwork: yeah
[09:21] <ogra> i wonder if we could have something creative in there ... but i have no idea currently
[09:21] <cbx33> well
[09:22] <Burgwork> a muted orange and red theme? is that too overdone?
[09:22] <cbx33> let's work it up and see what happens
[09:22] <pips1> on my current screen (thinkpad laptop LCD) I can't read that text anyway..
[09:22] <cbx33> heh
[09:22] <cbx33> it was supposed to only be a hint
[09:22] <ogra> Burgwork, not at all, if the orange is a decent
[09:22] <ogra> one
[09:22] <cbx33> ok
[09:23] <cbx33> Lisa is next to me
[09:23] <cbx33> so she's getting all this
[09:23] <ogra> the usplash we had in edgy was way to mean to your eyes many people said (i liked it though)
[09:23] <cbx33> but understood
[09:23] <pips1> cbx33: yep, the text contrast is so low, it's really subtle -D
[09:23] <ogra> the wallpaper color was fine imho, but there a lot of people complained as well ...
[09:24] <cbx33> is the text on that wallpaper ok ogra ?
[09:24] <cbx33> lisa just asked?
[09:24] <ogra> so it probably should be a softened variant of the edgy wallpaper
[09:24] <ogra> cbx33, sure
[09:24] <cbx33> just colours change
[09:24] <cbx33> you're doing slpash?
[09:24] <ogra> i'd just love to have something wittier than or website text, but it will do if we dont have anything else
[09:25] <cbx33> ok
[09:25] <ogra> and i dont have any ideas what else to use atm
[09:25] <cbx33> I'll see what I can come up with
[09:25] <cbx33> http://www.popey.com/Ubuntu_is_sexy_alright
[09:25] <cbx33> are we splashing like that
[09:25] <cbx33> what about a testamonial about ubuntu? for the text?
[09:26] <ogra> no idea yet i'll try to make something that fits the wallpaper and gdm
[09:26] <cbx33> ok
[09:26] <ogra> its the interconnecting bit
[09:26] <cbx33> ok
[09:26] <ogra> but its small and quickly made ....
[09:26] <cbx33> are you doing gdm?
[09:27] <ogra> i'll try to grab kwwii's ubuntu theme and adjust the colors
[09:27] <cbx33> ok
[09:27] <cbx33> what about a testamonial about ubuntu? for the text?
[09:27] <ogra> do you have an example ?
[09:27] <cbx33> no
[09:27] <cbx33> but i can get the youthLUG kids to write some
[09:28] <cbx33> what you think?
[09:28] <ogra> sure, if you think you will get something good there ... i'm fine with the website text for now though
[09:28] <ogra> highvoltage, dont like porn ?
[09:28] <Burgwork> highvoltage: it doesn't fit with the rest of the theme
[09:29] <cbx33> i havn't seen the new artwork
[09:29] <cbx33> heh
[09:29] <Burgwork> that is the only piece that has changed, afaik
[09:29] <cbx33> i like to wait till i first install feisty
[09:29] <cbx33> ;)
[09:29] <highvoltage> ogra: heh
[09:30] <ogra> err, no, actually i have seen a gdm mockup ...
[09:30] <ogra> ok, so lets get that artwork done til tomorrow
[09:31] <cbx33> ok
[09:31] <ogra> send lisa a big hug from me :)
[09:32] <cbx33> I'm hugging her right now
[09:32] <cbx33> she slapped me
[09:32] <highvoltage> kinky.
[09:32] <cbx33> but that was apparently for me
[09:32] <cbx33> not you :p
[09:32] <ogra> beyond artwork, some ltsp fixes and TCM i currently think we're fine for beta ...
[09:32] <cbx33> oi oi highvoltage
[09:33] <ogra> any tech regarding questions ?
[09:33] <cbx33> ogra: tcm?
[09:33] <ogra> shoot
[09:33] <cbx33> highvoltage: that was slap...not spank btw
[09:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: hey, whatever does it for you!
[09:33] <cbx33> do you think we should cripple the VNC stuff?
[09:34] <pips1> hehe
[09:34] <highvoltage> mmmm mm m mmm mm m
[09:34] <pips1> lol
[09:34] <Seveas> nnnn nn n nnn nn n
[09:34] <ogra> cbx33, i'm still not through my TODO yet to look at the VNC stuff, but i think we should leave it in and have a popup with instructions how to get it running
[09:34] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[09:34] <cbx33> so let them setup a static password
[09:34] <cbx33> in a file somewhere
[09:35] <ogra> yes, something like that, i need to look deeper into the code ... hvent done that yet
[09:35] <cbx33> ok
[09:35] <cbx33> well basically I just need to pass it a passwrd
[09:35] <cbx33> as long as v11vnc uses it
[09:35] <cbx33> it's fine
[09:35] <ogra> well, basically we dont have a server
[09:36] <ogra> the user needs instructions how to get it
[09:36] <cbx33> can't we put x11vnc in the client root seed?
[09:36] <cbx33> as it is
[09:36] <ogra> no
[09:36] <ogra> its not in main
[09:36] <cbx33> why?
[09:36] <cbx33> oh?
[09:36] <cbx33> sorry
[09:36] <ogra> and i dont think thats quickly doable ...
[09:36] <cbx33> ok
[09:37] <cbx33> does it rely on a lot that is outside of main
[09:37] <cbx33> or is it just security issues andMIR?
[09:37] <cbx33> anyone got 404main handy?
[09:37] <ogra> i dont think so, but i dont think the code/security is good
[09:37] <cbx33> :(
[09:37] <cbx33> ok
[09:38] <ogra> http://secunia.com/search/?search=x11vnc
[09:38] <ogra> there are two security entries
[09:39] <cbx33> :(
[09:39] <cbx33> ok
[09:39] <cbx33> so instructions it is
[09:39] <cbx33> what about a script?
[09:39] <cbx33> to do it for you?
[09:39] <ogra> sure, if you get something together
[09:39] <cbx33> install it and prompt for a password
[09:39] <ogra> yep
[09:40] <ogra> ok, any other tech bits ?
[09:41] <cbx33> no
[09:41] <cbx33> sorry
[09:41] <ogra> any questions about tech ?
[09:41] <cbx33> how do you do it ogra :p
[09:42] <ogra> without sleep atm
[09:42] <ogra> :)
[09:42] <cbx33> :(
[09:42] <cbx33> yes
[09:42] <ogra> and that wont get better until beta release /me thinks
[09:42] <highvoltage> (and that cbx33's recent blog entry on contributing is quite cool)
[09:42] <highvoltage> cbx33++ for that :)
[09:43] <cbx33> :) thanks highvoltage
[09:43] <cbx33> i also posted and email to everyone in the edubutu school support team on LP
[09:43] <cbx33> over 30 members
[09:43] <cbx33> to try to get helpers
[09:43] <highvoltage> I think everyone should for the next few weeks
[09:43] <cbx33> i will do more
[09:43] <cbx33> sorry guys
[09:43] <highvoltage> sorry?
[09:44] <ogra> cbx33 the waking apology
[09:44] <cbx33> yeh
[09:44] <ogra> *walking
[09:44] <cbx33> for not doing more
[09:44] <cbx33> mmmm fondu
[09:44] <ogra> cbx33, you do enough ... no need to say sorry all the time ...
[09:44] <cbx33> fruit and chocolate
[09:44] <cbx33> i wish i could do more
[09:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: geez, you're the top community contributer atm, as far as I can tell, how can you want to apologise?
[09:45] <cbx33> I'm hoping to bring him along to the next meeting
[09:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: and btw, everyone in this channel has limits, often beyond their control
[09:45] <cbx33> it's python and gtk
[09:45] <ogra> great
[09:45] <cbx33> a project called Coon
[09:45] <cbx33> for teachers to store and analyse student marks and results
[09:46] <ogra> ok, ltes move on ...
[09:46] <ogra> *lets
[09:46] <cbx33> sure
[09:47] <highvoltage> blah!
[09:47] <ogra> blah ?
[09:47] <highvoltage> HedgeMage
[09:47] <ogra> Technical Documentation
[09:47] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage
[09:47] <cbx33> cool pochu ;)
[09:47] <cbx33> does the book come in here?
[09:47] <ogra> i'm trying to open edubuntu-docs but somehow yelp segfaults for me :(
[09:48] <RichEd> cbx33: sure
[09:48] <cbx33> :(
[09:48] <ogra> in tech docs ?
[09:48] <cbx33> i guess not :p
[09:48] <ogra> i think the book is rather documentation ...
[09:48] <cbx33> ok
[09:48] <ogra> (why did we do this silly split, lets merge doc stuff)
[09:48] <RichEd> well it's closer to tech docs than community docs ...
[09:48] <cbx33> yes please
[09:49] <cbx33> otherwise we all get confused
[09:50] <ogra> thanks
[09:50] <RichEd> so any comments on "broad brush stroke" documenation
[09:50] <RichEd> *documentation
[09:50] <RichEd> cbx33: the book ?
[09:51] <cbx33> mako has edited the chapter, is now awaiting Burgwork to check it over
[09:52] <ogra> the edubuntu book ?
[09:53] <cbx33> the official ubuntu book edubutnu chapter
[09:53] <ogra> oh, the edubuntu chapter ...
[09:53] <cbx33> how could you forget :p
[09:53] <ogra> sorry i did only sleep about 10h the last 4 days
[09:53] <ogra> i'm a bit slow in ym brain atm
[09:53] <ogra> *my
[09:53] <cbx33> hehe
[09:54] <cbx33> dude that's gotta be not good for you
[09:54] <cbx33> If i could pick up and slack i would
[09:54] <cbx33> any
[09:54] <ogra> so can anyone tell me where in yelp i find our new docs ?
[09:54] <ogra> if i just open the help it doesnt show up
[09:55] <ogra> no LaserJock ...
[09:55] <cbx33> no
[09:55] <cbx33> he was around earlier
[09:56] <ogra> hrm
[09:56] <ogra> would be nice to know wher and how to find them after install
[09:56] <ogra> i was somehow expecting them to show up in yelp
[09:56] <highvoltage> ogra, can't you look where they are in the -doc package?
[09:57] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, but i didnt plan to put time into that during a meeting, and according to Laser the package was ready
[09:57] <cbx33> heh
[09:58] <ogra> i just installed it before the meeting to test them
[09:59] <cbx33> next?
[09:59] <highvoltage> ok
[09:59] <cbx33> aww
[09:59] <ogra> nop
[09:59] <ogra> fighting to find these docs on my system
[10:00] <ogra> i found them but yelp doesnt
[10:00] <cbx33> :(
[10:00] <ogra> anyway, moving on if there is nothing else about docs
[10:00] <ogra> another thing for tonight for me :/
[10:00] <RichEd> yep ... willvdl is still in Argentina ... so we will not have any report from him
[10:01] <RichEd> Have we covered artwork ? cbx33 anything more to add ?
[10:01] <cbx33> nope
[10:02] <RichEd> Community & Documentation & Web
[10:02] <ogra> yelp /usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu-handbook/C/handbook.xml works :)
[10:02] <RichEd> Just a short report from me about the new www.ubuntu.com web site due to be released soon.
[10:02] <ogra> seems we're only missing entries for it in the ubuntu main menu of yelp
[10:03] <cbx33> RichEd: cool
[10:03] <cbx33> when will it be ready
[10:03] <RichEd> Christina (Marketing) and Matt Nuzum (Webmaster) and I will be working on www.ubuntu.com/education as a landing page for people looking at Ubuntu from the top down for the education sector.
[10:03] <cbx33> excellent
[10:04] <RichEd> So that page will cover: Products used in Education: Edubuntu & Ubuntu & Kubuntu
[10:04] <ogra> ARGH
[10:04] <RichEd> ogra ?
[10:05] <ogra> sorry just reading the edubuntu handbook
[10:05] <RichEd> oh :) thought that was a response to my comments, or you dropped your ciggie on your lap
[10:05] <ogra> i have no clue where the ltsp chapter comes from, i have never seen it and its apparently documentation for a very old ltsp release
[10:05] <ogra> giving totally wrong instructions ...
[10:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: how's it going with the website pips1 is working on?
[10:05] <ogra> thats not the doc i proofread
[10:06] <cbx33> :(
[10:06] <RichEd> highvoltage: will get to that in just a bit
[10:06] <highvoltage> ok
[10:06] <ogra> actually it seems to be for a redhat based ltsp version
[10:06] <ogra> LaserJock, where does that ltsp chapter in the edubuntu handbook come from ?
[10:06] <RichEd> Contuining then: And *buntu solutions in Education : as in Ubuntu in the Education Department Server Farm all the way across to Edubuntu in the School Classroom and Ubuntu in the School Admin
[10:06] <LaserJock> ogra: sbalneav
[10:06] <ogra> its surely not the one i proofread
[10:07] <ogra> LaserJock, thats documentation for an ltsp 3.x version
[10:07] <ogra> or older
[10:07] <LaserJock> ogra: ??
[10:07] <LaserJock> that's no good
[10:07] <ogra>                 If the card is supported by Xorg 6.7, the pci_scan routine
[10:07] <ogra>                 will return the name of the driver module.  If it is only
[10:07] <ogra>                 supported by XFree86 3.3.6,
[10:07] <ogra> etc etc
[10:07] <highvoltage> ouch
[10:07] <LaserJock> :(
[10:07] <LaserJock> nixternal: pingy pingy!!!
[10:08] <ogra> i read a variant of the ltsp chapter that was completely different
[10:08] <ogra> but that was months ago
[10:08] <LaserJock> ogra: nixternal was the one that did the merging of the Handbook from the old svn repo
[10:08] <LaserJock> it could be something got lost or something
[10:08] <pips1> uh uh
[10:08] <ogra> no sbalneav :/
[10:08] <ogra> crap ...
[10:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav did do a bunch of work and I *thought* it made it into the doc team repo
[10:10] <merriam> I'm interested in contributing to documentation.  Could it be made easier?
[10:11] <LaserJock> merriam: it kinda depends on what kind of documentation, but we always are trying to make it easier for people to contribute.
[10:11] <merriam> An open wiki might help.
[10:11] <cbx33> wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:12] <merriam> I mean for edubuntu.
[10:12] <pips1> merriam, what do you mean by open? open to anonymous editing?
[10:12] <LaserJock> same thing
[10:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: and it's help.ubuntu.com/community
[10:12] <ogra> merriam, wiki.edubuntu.org :)
[10:12] <cbx33> sorry
[10:12] <merriam> not anonymous -- just an easy sign-up process
[10:13] <pips1> merriam: wiki.ubuntu.com and wiki.edubuntu.org are in the same database
[10:13] <RichEd> merriam: accounts are via launchpad.net ... give you the rights to edit the wiki
[10:13] <LaserJock> and "the wiki" means "both wikis" ;-)
[10:13] <cbx33> LaserJock: help.ubuntu.com/community isn't open is it?
[10:13] <LaserJock> sure it is
[10:14] <cbx33> cool
[10:14] <RichEd> if you are keen to help merriam, please send a mail to will@canonical.com
[10:14] <ogra> cbx33, you can log in with your LP account as well there
[10:14] <LaserJock> I think perhaps deletion is limited
[10:14] <cbx33> awesome
[10:14] <merriam> I see.  Last time I looked, I got the impression that the doc pages for edubuntu were all locked.  Perhaps I was confused.  thanks
[10:14] <RichEd> he is away for the next 2 weeks, but he will be able to find out your interests, and skills, and help you find a chunk to chew on with guidance
[10:15] <merriam> RichEd: thanks
[10:15] <cbx33> will is excellent
[10:15] <LaserJock> merriam: the Ubuntu doc team is also very helpful. #ubuntu-doc
[10:15] <pips1> merriam, I think you are right, many edubunt-specific pages in the wiki are locked - last time i looked too
[10:15] <LaserJock> I don't think they are locked
[10:15] <merriam> I see.  I should be on #ubuntu-doc.  ok
[10:15] <RichEd> merriam: will's got a "docs to sort out" and "docs to do" list, and would appreciate your help
[10:16] <LaserJock> but if you go in via wiki.edubuntu.org you have to relogin
[10:16] <RichEd> merriam: but if you are keen on Edubuntu & Education ... please don't defect to Ubuntu ;)
[10:17] <cbx33> sorry
[10:17] <cbx33> that was
[10:17] <LaserJock> RichEd:  haha, good point
[10:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: now now, no need to get violent
[10:17] <merriam> RichEd: I'm especially interested in edubuntu and ltsp, but I'm helping family and friends with ubuntu, so I'll always be there too...
[10:17] <cbx33> merriam: awesome
[10:18] <LaserJock> merriam: the Ubuntu doc team covers all flavors
[10:18] <LaserJock> oh, that does sound good
[10:19] <cbx33> is this the food section
[10:19] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has overall had a strange fascination with food ;-)
[10:19] <cbx33> heheh
[10:20] <ogra> cakes mainly
[10:20] <LaserJock> wasn't the Handbook originally the Cookbook :-)
[10:21] <pips1> LaserJock: true
[10:21] <RichEd> Finishing off with Web & Community then:
[10:21] <RichEd> [official ubuntu education space]  will be the www.ubuntu.com/education space, where all content is contributed by the core community (that's this channel) and is verified as 100% accurate and approved according to policy
[10:21] <cbx33> oooh /me likes cakes
[10:21] <RichEd> [community ubuntu education space]  will be the www.ubuntueducation.org space, where all content is primarily community contributed, largely forums & discussion driven, and where topics and opinions do not need to be strictly kosher
[10:21] <cbx33> cool
[10:22] <pips1> kosher, another food term
[10:22] <RichEd> And edubuntu.org is the product space
[10:22] <RichEd> And wiki.edubuntu.org and help etc are the support spaces.
[10:22] <LaserJock> and they will all be linked to each other in a clear and consistent way, right?
[10:22] <RichEd> LaserJock: 100 percent
[10:22] <LaserJock> well, we need to work on wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:23] <RichEd> LaserJock: will has the work spec under control, he just needs warm bodies to help
[10:23] <LaserJock> because users shouldn't be going there if it's just wiki.ubuntu.com in disguise
[10:24] <RichEd> What I need to do for pips1 is to define the exact types of content that go in each space, and provide a Sites Map showing how they fit & link.
[10:24] <RichEd> Once I have established the overall descriptions, we can all bunfight about what fits best where.
[10:24] <LaserJock> yeah, it would seem like they'll end up overlapping quite a bit
[10:24] <ogra> LaserJock, where am i supposed to find the docs from the edubuntu-docs package in yelp ? there is no trace of them in the main menu
[10:24] <cbx33> pochu: you still there?
[10:25] <pochu> sure :)
[10:25] <pochu> my turn?
[10:25] <cbx33> soon
[10:25] <RichEd> LaserJock: to some degree yes, but the idea is that info comes in from the Community space e.g My school uses Edubuntu ...
[10:25] <cbx33> just checking you were still there
[10:25] <RichEd> give me 1 min wrapping up
[10:25] <pochu> cbx33: ok :)
[10:25] <LaserJock> ogra: not yet, sorry. We just got a patch from yelp upstream but I don't think it's made it in the package yet
[10:25] <LaserJock> ogra: but if you do a search for LTSP they all come up
[10:25] <ogra> LaserJock, patch for yelp ?
[10:26] <ogra> why are they not the default index ?
[10:26] <ogra> with a link ot the ubuntu docs
[10:26] <LaserJock> ogra: because the front page is hard coded
[10:26] <ogra> *to
[10:26] <ogra> ARGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:26] <ogra> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:26] <ogra> !
[10:26] <ogra> !
[10:26] <cbx33> ogra: dude calm down
[10:26] <LaserJock> and because edubuntu-docs depends on ubuntu-docs
[10:26] <LaserJock> we had to figure out a way to have the right things show up when edubuntu-docs is installed
[10:27] <ogra> is there a reason for that ? apart from "its more complete then"
[10:27] <LaserJock> subtracting About Ubuntu and adding in our docs
[10:27] <LaserJock> reason for what? the dep on ubuntu-docs?
[10:27] <ogra> yes
[10:27] <LaserJock> 1) yes, it's much more complete 2) the yelp front page is actually a mixture of files from yelp and ubuntu-docs
[10:28] <ogra> i mean its pointless anyway since we ship both on the CD and edubuntu-desktop depends on them, but is there a technical reason for that dep ?
[10:28] <LaserJock> we'd have to seriously rework the packages because ubuntu-docs and yelp own the files we need to modify
[10:29] <ogra> LaserJock, dpkg-divert the index files ?
[10:29] <LaserJock> so I *think* we could have done without the dep but we'd at least have to conflict with ubuntu-docs and maybe patch yelp
[10:29] <ogra> i know thats ugly and evil, but one solution
[10:29] <LaserJock> well, I think this is much easier than dpkg-divert
[10:29] <LaserJock> we got the patch
[10:29] <LaserJock> we just need to finalize what we want on the menu
[10:29] <LaserJock> so we're removing Release Notes
[10:30] <LaserJock> and just having About Edubuntu, Edubuntu Handbook, and Edubuntu Advocacy
[10:30] <ogra> LaserJock, so there is a chance we get it fixed somehow for release ?
[10:30] <LaserJock> oh sure
[10:30] <LaserJock> the patch exists
[10:30] <ogra> i mean the index stuff
[10:30] <LaserJock> I just have to tell Matthew East what I want
[10:30] <LaserJock> yes
[10:31] <ogra> well, what about the freeze ... ?
[10:31] <ogra> is the patch small enough to go in still ?
[10:31] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think this would be affected by a freeze
[10:31] <LaserJock> it's a bug fix
[10:31] <cbx33> the big freeze
[10:31] <ogra> ok
[10:31] <cbx33> so wer're good
[10:31] <cbx33> all calm
[10:31] <LaserJock> the bug is that Edubuntu items don't show in the front page
[10:32] <LaserJock> the fix is a patch from Yelp upstream
[10:32] <ogra> cbx33, well, no ... i cant be calm about our most dynamic doc page being hardcoded in an app ...
[10:32] <LaserJock> I just have to give mdke the particular items (name and description) we want
[10:32] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[10:32] <LaserJock> well, it'll be hardcoded, just in a semi-dynamic way ;-)
[10:32] <ogra> cbx33, i love hardcoding ...
[10:32] <ogra> until i run into hardcoded stuff from others
[10:33] <cbx33> hehe
[10:33] <cbx33> i know what you mean
[10:33] <LaserJock> yes, the doc team is pushing the limits of what yelp can do
[10:33] <ogra> good
[10:33] <LaserJock> we are just waiting for a yelp replacement .... some time
[10:33] <cbx33> LaserJock: how soon can you fix?
[10:33] <ogra> as long as we have it fixed for release all is fine
[10:34] <LaserJock> well, again. The patch exists, I just haven't confirmed with mdke about what items we want
[10:34] <ogra> yep
[10:34] <LaserJock> as I wanted to discuss it here first
[10:34] <LaserJock> so I don't have to do it twice
[10:34] <ogra> well, the handbook in its current state isnt shippable
[10:34] <ogra> at least not the ltsp part
[10:35] <ogra> i'll look over the other bits during the week ...
[10:35] <LaserJock> well, the new stuff is somewhere
[10:35] <ogra> must be
[10:35] <ogra> i know i proofread it
[10:35] <cbx33> heh
[10:35] <LaserJock> we just gotta kidnap nixternal and beat him until he confesses where he put it ;-)
[10:36] <cbx33> heheh
[10:36] <cbx33> hehe
[10:36] <pips1> hehe
[10:36] <cbx33> me too
[10:36] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think that might be against CoC ;)
[10:36] <cbx33> and Lost
[10:36] <pips1> heh
[10:36] <pips1> parallel lives
[10:36] <ogra> i would have noticed "If Xorg is used, then the /etc/build_x4_cfg script will be called to build an XF86Config file.
[10:36] <cbx33> yup LaserJock and i do tend to watch the same stuff
[10:37] <pips1> same here, and don't think we're alone ;-)
[10:37] <cbx33> hehe
[10:37] <cbx33> anyway
[10:37] <RichEd> Just to finish my comment to LaserJock regarding overlap: To some degree yes, but the idea is that info comes in from the Community space e.g My school uses Edubuntu ... and then we push the user (gently) to see if we can get an official case study going on the school, with facts & figures ... using the wiki.edubuntu.org ... which we then clear for content statements & permissions etc. which then moves to the www.ubuntu.com/educ
[10:37] <RichEd> ation when it is cleared for accuracy etc. so it can be quoted and published & promoted etc.
[10:37] <RichEd> And again, some user on the community space may comment about an education application they are using, and then if we see it is popular, we get it reviewed by an education user (for target subject, ease of use, age level etc.) and then if it passes the Open Source conditions, we start a process to move it into main (security approvals etc.) aain using the wiki, and then onto www.ubuntu.com/education if it passes all tests.
[10:38] <RichEd> If it does not pass, say it is not Open Source, and may even be commercial s/w (me holds up the garlic and silver bullets for protection) we do not stop the community from sharing info and support and help, but then it has to stay i the community space as it will not be officially supported by Ubuntu.
[10:38] <cbx33> are we drawing to a close.......
[10:38] <RichEd> yep ... I'm done after that blitz
[10:38] <cbx33> cool
[10:38] <cbx33> pochu: ?
[10:38] <LaserJock> RichEd: I can see the flow of information for sure, but people often google and land in the middle of nowhere
[10:38] <pochu> here :)
[10:38] <cbx33> everyone ready for pochu ?
[10:39] <pochu> As you can see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Matrix actually the core-devs are testing Edubuntu releases (herd, beta, rc) candidates, to see their integrity, and possible bugs in them. We want to set up a community team to do that, as you can see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383067 and http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=201 . We have this ATM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Community . And we would like also t
[10:39] <pochu> o have Edubuntu in the Community Testing
[10:39] <LaserJock> RichEd: let's discuss this maybe a bit more in #edubuntu after the meeting?
[10:39] <RichEd> LaserJock: maps & gps ... we'll have a clear path for them
[10:39] <RichEd> LaserJock: /msg
[10:39] <pochu> what do you think? how could we make this successful?
[10:40] <nixternal> oi
[10:40] <pips1> RichEd: LaserJock: I'd happily join the conversation
[10:40] <nixternal> just got out of class, chillin' in the library studying for c++ test. did I miss much?
[10:40] <cbx33> get im
[10:40] <LaserJock> pochu: what is the purpose of Testing/Community?
[10:40] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntuboys & edubuntugirls! (me is dozing off here)
[10:41] <pochu> LaserJock: test the ISO images, so the core-devs don't have to do it, and they can focus in fixing bugs
[10:41] <pochu> LaserJock: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Matrix
[10:41] <cbx33> nn highvoltage
[10:41] <pochu> that's the core-devs page (a little reduced already)
[10:41] <LaserJock> pochu: but I thought it was open to the community already? I don't understand what's new about it
[10:41] <cbx33> nixternal: come back
[10:41] <ogra> pochu, we initially did it via a wikipage where everyone culd just comment on his installation tests in a table ... i thought we would move on with that procedure and just switch to bugs instead of a wikipage ...
[10:41] <pips1> see you highvoltage!
[10:42] <RichEd> bye highvoltage
[10:42] <cbx33> didn't someone want nixternal ?
[10:42] <ogra> i would like to see the community inut on the same bugs i work on
[10:42] <pochu> ogra: we are doing it on LP
[10:42] <ogra> *input
[10:42] <highvoltage> goodnight pips1 and RichEd and ogra and [PUPPETS] Gonzo!
[10:42] <highvoltage> oops, I mean pochu!
[10:42] <ogra> pochu, thats not what i mean, why the split community vs main devs
[10:42] <ogra> ?
[10:42] <ogra> night highvoltage
[10:43] <pochu> ogra: as you can see in henrik's post in the forum, to let core-devs focus in bug-fixing, as that testing takes a lot of time
[10:43] <pochu> and more time if they have to do 5 test cases ;)
[10:43] <ogra> pochu, from an edubuntu POV its useless for me ... since i usually test the milestones as the only main dev
[10:44] <pochu> ogra: that's not what I'm seeing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Matrix
[10:44] <ogra> so i really appreciate to see at a glance that someone has tested stuff on the same page i just report my results
[10:44] <pochu> ogra: bdmurray is testing a lot of cases
[10:45] <ogra> pochu, my job is edubuntu, i will test *every* install as i always do
[10:45] <pochu> ogra: you should be reporting here: https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs
[10:45] <pips1> ogra: I just learned about heno and pochu's new testing methodology today... basically, I gather that they want to keep track of what testing has been done on what milestone (herd, dailies) and they seem to have started creating todo lists for the volunteers
[10:45] <ogra> pochu, but i appreciate if bdmurray takes some indeed
[10:46] <pochu> ogra: as I see in Testing/Matrix, tollef, henrik, brian murray and keybuk are also testing edubuntu
[10:46] <ogra> pochu, i know where i have to report
[10:46] <cbx33> ogra: when are you next on tcm?
[10:46] <ogra> yes, i see that
[10:46] <cbx33> i have time tomorrow evening to work on it
[10:46] <pochu> s/tollef/sebastien/
[10:46] <ogra> pochu, still i wont get any sleep if i havent tested all installs myself, its my job
[10:46] <pochu> ogra: though if you are happy testing yourself it, I'm happy too :)
[10:47] <cbx33> i will be trying to find time to test too
[10:47] <ogra> pochu, i appreciate every help and will be able to prioritize though ...
[10:47] <pochu> ogra: ok, it was just becouse then you would be able to focus on fixing bugs, but if you are going to test them anyway...
[10:47] <nixternal> ogra: the LTSP docs you read a month ago, were they on HedgeMage's server or the doc server?
[10:47] <cbx33> ogra: sorry dude I'm beat...i gotta go
[10:47] <ogra> i also wasnt talking about the current beta tests but the general testing you seem to split into main vs community ...
[10:47] <nixternal> I can't connect to HedgeMage's server
[10:48] <pips1> nn cbx33 and don't forget to tell AliasVegas that I think she rocks!
[10:48] <ogra> nixternal, i cant remember anymore, i mailed sbalneav, he should know exactly where they are
[10:48] <cbx33> hehe
[10:48] <cbx33> thanks pips1
[10:48] <cbx33> I'll be around for a little while longer it seems
[10:49] <ogra> nixternal, all i know is that the current ones are for a very old ltsp version
[10:49] <ogra> even talking about XFree 3.3.*
[10:49] <cbx33> has anyone noticed the meetings used to be only and hour now they are ususally 2?
[10:50] <HedgeMage> nixternal: what do you need?
[10:50] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[10:50] <cbx33> heh
[10:50] <ogra> i even complained about it
[10:51] <ogra> months ago
[10:51] <cbx33> any ideas on shortening it
[10:51] <ogra> i've given up to complain
[10:52] <nixternal> HedgeMage: have people been uploading recently to your svn server?
[10:52] <ogra> ok, where on the agenda are we
[10:52] <ogra> somehow its got all messed up today
[10:52] <LaserJock> if you want to shorten it have specific agenda items
[10:52] <cbx33> ogra: at the end
[10:52] <RichEd> ogra: we can shorten it, but we'll need to change the published times then.
[10:52] <HedgeMage> nixternal: nope, not since we moved things to the doc server
[10:52] <ogra> cbx33, did we have Management ?
[10:53] <cbx33> poop dude I dunno
[10:53] <cbx33> I'm lost
[10:53] <RichEd> well management briefly:
[10:53] <ogra> RichEd, where would these times be ?
[10:53] <ogra> since will changed the agenda page there are not times anymore
[10:53] <nixternal> then someone has been creating docs and not against what is in svn
[10:54] <RichEd> ogra: fridge events & @schedule
[10:54] <ogra> RichEd, well, i think its good to book the room for 2h ...
[10:54] <ogra> just keep the meeting shorter
[10:55] <RichEd> ogra: okay, lets try to create an agend and then stick to it ... I'll do the merge of docs we spoke about
[10:55] <RichEd> *agenda
[10:55] <ogra> yeah
[10:55] <cbx33> sounds good
[10:55] <ogra> and lets try to not get sidetracked so much and stay to the agenda
[10:55] <cbx33> also will make minutes easier
[10:55] <ogra> it went pretty chaotic today
[10:55] <cbx33> yup
[10:55] <RichEd> So getting back to Management briefly ;)
[10:55] <RichEd> You should all know by now about the education summit planned for May: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla
[10:55] <ogra> right
[10:56] <cbx33> thought I'd love to minute the ogra ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:56] <ogra> heh
[10:56] <RichEd> And also not sure if you have all seen: http://www.ubuntulive.com/
[10:56] <cbx33> nope
[10:56] <cbx33> so....what am I not reading
[10:57] <cbx33> i never heard about UES till LaserJock said about it the other day
[10:57] <RichEd> cbx33: I asked for it to be announced in the meeting while I was away. I'll also post it to the list.
[10:58] <cbx33> i think I'm just slow
[10:58] <LaserJock> you are
[10:58] <LaserJock> :p
[10:58] <LaserJock> it was on ubuntu-announce
[10:58] <LaserJock> and probably fridge too
[10:58] <cbx33> ahh
[10:58] <cbx33> I'm not on ubuntu-announce
[10:58] <RichEd> Those are two big events for us in Education ...  2 days each. The summit is purely education. Ubuntu Live is all aspects of Ubuntu, but with a specfic Education stream ... 7 slots.
[10:58] <cbx33> and i don't check fridge that often
[10:59] <ogra> cbx33, i announced it in the last two meetings
[10:59] <cbx33> hehe
[10:59] <cbx33> man how did i miss that
[11:01] <LaserJock> RichEd: I didn't know that Ubuntu Live will have Education stuff
[11:01] <LaserJock> I'm a short flight away
[11:01] <RichEd> I've been getting some submissions for papers / presentations at both events. I'll add these to the UES page, and also create a UbuntuLiveEducation page.
[11:01] <ogra> RichEd, do you have any idea if we both are planned to be there ?
[11:01] <RichEd> Some really good topics, which will be good case study material.
[11:03] <RichEd> ogra: silbs & I are talking about having an Edubuntu LTSP iCafe for the delegates, with a tutorial session on how to build one hands on. So i think you will be useful to have there.
[11:03] <ogra> cool
[11:03] <ogra> i'lltry to coordinate with sbalneav and jammcq, we can probably have an ltsp hackfest before or after, so i need to travel less
[11:03] <ogra> *g*
[11:04] <ogra> planning my moves around the world to suck least ....
[11:04] <ogra> ;)
[11:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:04] <LaserJock> poor ogra
[11:04] <LaserJock> Paris took me a month to recover from :-)
[11:04] <cbx33> indeed
[11:04] <ogra> LaserJock, poor RichEd .... i still have edubuntu development as excuse
[11:05] <ogra> :)
[11:06] <ogra> anyway, any other business ?
[11:06] <ogra> phew
[11:06] <ogra> armed
[11:06] <RichEd> i'm done ...
[11:06] <cbx33> wow
[11:08] <RichEd> ogra ... do you want to bang the gong ...
[11:08] <RichEd> going once ....
[11:09] <ogra> going twice
[11:09] <ogra> adjourned !!!
[11:09] <ogra> thanks all
[11:09] <cbx33> phew
[11:09] <cbx33> ogra: pm
[11:09] <RichEd> thanks all