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danohuiginnoh! Thanks, TheMuso, I had never heard of pbuilder; I'll have a look at it12:15
shawarma_Adri2000: There. Uploaded the new avidemux.12:16
jdongawesome, thanks, shawarma_12:17
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shawarma_jdong: no12:22
shawarma_i meant "np", of course. :-)12:22
jdongshawarma_: well fine don't take my politeness ;-)12:23
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shawarma_jdong: You're angry? Wait till you tell crimsun. :-)12:29
shawarma_jdong: /win 412:30
shawarma_jdong: Or not12:30
jdongshawarma_: shhhh :) I'm planning on not worrying about it unless I get a bugreport about xglSetFonts()12:30
jdongor whatever that borken command is12:30
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shawarma_New bug: #92081 in xserver-xgl (main) "xglSetFonts() is b0rk3n" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/9208112:31
UbugtuMalone bug 92081 in synaptic "[apport]  synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:31
shawarma_Ah, busted.12:31
jdongshawarma_: lol12:31
shawarma_Ubugtu: Thanks a lot. :-(12:32
jdongthat changeset....12:32
jdongit's like a 10-line diff of replacing 'n' with 'i'12:32
shawarma_jdong: Yeah, just saw it.12:32
shawarma_jdong: Looks important in a subtle kind of way.12:33
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jdongyeah I keep thinking we'll see something break because of it not being available12:33
jdonglet me see if it applies without the 10 other syncing commits :)12:33
jussi01can someone tell me how to find astraljava's bzr branches? I looked on launchpad under ubuntu studio but I can seem to figure out which ones are his branches...12:33
jdongooh it does12:34
shawarma_jdong: You remember me not knowing about bsg? I looked around and it turns out it's hasn't on Danish tv before some time in January this year.. No wonder I didn't know about it.12:35
shawarma_"it's hasn't on"? what the..12:35
jdongwould this patch need approval from uvf folks again or can anyone sponsor it?12:36
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shawarma_jdong: It wouldn't need UFVe approval, no.12:41
shawarma_jdong: It's just a bugfix.12:41
jdongokie, I'll prepare up a patch and test it12:41
jdongI'm gonna wager a guess and say that arbitrary broken OpenGL calls should be fixed ;-)12:42
shawarmaxserver-xgl... It's only fglrx users who need it, isn't it?12:42
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jdongshawarma: yeah, which is still significant... and also nvidia legacy and Geforce4 <=MX440 say Xgl is faster12:45
shawarmajdong: Sure it's significant. It's just amazing how much work everyone else has to do because ATI are lazy bastards.12:46
jdongyeah, it's unfortunate no doubt12:46
jdongbut as long as I have an ATI card I'll do all I can to get eyecandy on them :)12:46
jdongshawarma: I can almost assure you that the first 6 months of their future AIGLX-compatible driver will be riddled with hardlocks and bugs....12:48
jdongso Xgl will still have to be used long into the future for fglrx users.12:48
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shawarmaI'm no GL expert. At all. Nevertheless, texture_from_pixmap sounds like the most basic function call imaginable. How would one do anything useful without being able to create a texture from a pixmap?12:51
jdongwell I guess it wasn't necessary before the day of desktop compositing12:52
jdongand fglrx has much more serious work than making textures from pixmaps12:52
jdongright now you can't even use composite with hardware acceleration.12:52
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shawarmaI don't even know what composite does (apart from enable desktop bling).12:53
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jdongshawarma: I'm no expert on X crap, but I think it allows you to draw a window on an off-screen buffer12:54
jdongthen have X be able to put it on the screen, etc.12:55
shawarmajdong: => bling? Cool.12:55
jdongyeah , I think that's probably the first step towards bling12:55
jdongBeryl I know can operate solely from the composite extension12:55
jdong(though very inefficiently12:55
shawarmajdong: Do you use beryl or compiz?12:58
Slant_LaptopI have a package patch for slab / gnome-main-menu. Is it worth it to get REVU access, or can I just post the debdiff to the relevant bugs and someone else will get to it?12:58
jdongI have both around, but personally I prefer Beryl for myself12:58
jdongI like what they've added, and the extreme amount of customizability too12:58
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: Are there bugs on launchpad for it?12:58
jdongbut Compiz would be more appropriate for a more professional-use oriented system.12:59
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: If so, just attach the debdiffs there and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors12:59
jdongit captures a lot of the usability features of compositing without obnoxious effects :)12:59
Slant_Laptopshawarma: Thanks.01:00
shawarmajdong: I used to like it, too. At some point, though, they thought they were smart, and made the settings-manager thing check if a certain key combo did more than one thing. Since then, I've ditched it. I need <Alt>Button1 to do two things.01:00
shawarmajdong: I need it to initiate window move AND raise the window.01:00
jdongshawarma: ah, interesting. I haven't ran into problems like that yet... there's just some Beryl features I really come to love and depend on.01:00
shawarmajdong: I think the window preview thing is really cool.01:01
jdongshawarma: ring task switcher, transparent cube, 3D elevated windows, window preview, invert color scheme.....01:01
shawarmajdong: Of course I've been too frickin' lazy to file a bug.01:01
shawarmajdong: invert color scheme??! For what?01:01
jdongshawarma: i.e. try reading a 60 page black on white PDF.01:01
jdongit begins to hurt. very soon.01:01
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shawarmajdong: I do it all the time. I prefer to read on my computer.01:02
jdongand it takes all the burn out of annoying neon-pink on neon-green color schemes too.01:02
jdongshawarma: well my eyes benefit from being able to invert colors01:02
Slant_Laptopshawarma: Done. LP #63096.01:02
Slant_Laptopshawarma: Thanks.01:02
jdongand it also becomes easier to view on lowest LCD brightness01:02
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: Oh, thank you!01:02
shawarmajdong: I have an intel graphics card so I try to keep the bling at a pretty low level.01:03
jdongshawarma: Quinn only has a 915 and it's working for her as a developer :)01:03
jdongshawarma: the effects I mentioned are pretty polite on the graphics card01:03
jdongexcept transparent cube01:03
shawarmajdong: She does? Interesting.01:04
jdongyeah, surprised me a lot at first, too :)01:04
shawarmajdong: It's good to know, though.01:05
shawarmajdong: That way we know that there's focus on performance on low-end cards, too.01:06
jdongthe last thing I want to see our 3D compositing do is to require elitist GPU's01:06
jdonglike some Other OS.01:06
jdongwell gonna restart Xgl and test that patch01:06
shawarmaI actually saw vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics..01:07
shawarmaI didn't look all that bad.01:07
shawarmaOh, he left.01:07
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Hobbseeajmitch: *grin*01:07
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ajmitchHobbsee saying "stay out of our area!" 01:08
Hobbseeajmitch: i'm concerned about how big the MOTU is attemtping to extend itself, when the reasons these separate subcouncils, etc, were created, was to stop the CC/TB doing exactly the same thing.01:08
ajmitchI'm concerned that the proposal was to dump snapshots in universe & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time01:09
HobbseeMOTU doesnt work on kde for the most part anyway01:09
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Hobbseei fail to see that changing anytime soon01:09
jdongwhee it works01:09
Hobbseebut you're right.  they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such.  anyone who knows about KDE4 realises that.01:09
jdonganyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff01:09
jdongsmall patch pulled from upstream git01:09
ajmitchand being in universe, lots of people won't know all the details about kde4 & will install them01:10
ajmitch"ooh new shiny!"01:10
jdong(fixes some broken OpenGL calls)01:10
jdongajmitch: 4>3, right? :D01:10
shawarmajdong: As I was saying. I actually saw Vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics..01:10
shawarmajdong: It didn't look all that bad.01:11
jdongshawarma: my roomie has Vista running on a GMA95001:11
Hobbseeajmitch: true.  and they wont read package descriptions, etc, either, because people dont read.01:11
shawarmajdong: I'm guessing that was what you were referring to.01:11
jdongshawarma: it ran the basics well01:11
ajmitchHobbsee: they're users.01:11
Hobbseewhich also means that they may not read enough to get to the right section of LP, hopefully.01:11
shawarmajdong: Oh, it's the only time I've ever seen Vista. I don't know how much or how little was enabled.01:11
jdongshawarma: but start actually _using_ the compositor's API rather than looking at the alt-tab effects, and boy it just dies01:12
ajmitchit's getting too easy to file bugs now01:12
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Hobbseei'm starting to think we need a bug which says "your bug did not contain enough info" and just mark all the silly bugs as dupes of that.  or something.01:12
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Slant_Laptop_shawarma: Is there any way to check if the debdiff is being handled by someone? I guess what I'm asking is is there any feedback outside of subscribing motu-sponsors and waiting?01:14
shawarmaSlant_Laptop_: I just remembered. gnome-main-menu is not in universe.01:14
Slant_Laptopshawarma: Oh?01:14
Slant_LaptopHaha. Is it not now?01:14
Slant_LaptopSection: universe/gnome01:14
Hobbseeslab appears to be in universe, yes.01:14
shawarmaSlant_Laptop_: what the..01:15
jdongyeah it's universe....01:15
shawarmaIt WAS in main for while, wasn't it?01:15
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Slant_Laptopshawarma: slab wasn't ever in main, I don't think.01:15
=== shawarma puts the crack pipe away
shawarmaOh, well.01:15
esaymanyone backported python2.5?  01:15
jdongthat requires like a massive python subsystem backport :)01:15
esaymI am trying to do it for dapper using the fiesty source.  I get this error though http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10290/01:16
Hobbseejdong: you should do it.  you like crack, remember?01:16
jdongHobbsee: not that much crack :)01:16
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: Well... You can hang around here and poke people until something happens.01:16
jdongHobbsee: yay Xgl is uploaded, my day is all the brighter :)01:16
esaymjdong: how much is "massive"  I from what I see it's about 5 01:16
Hobbseemassive == too many == more than he wants to01:17
Slant_Laptopshawarma: Mainly I'd like to be personally yelled at if there is something wrong with the patch, so I can "not do that" in future submissions.01:17
jdongesaym: you need all the python-central and dh_python stuff too01:17
Slant_LaptopIn the past, I'd just attach source changes.01:17
Slant_LaptopThen maintainers would say, "post a debdiff."01:17
jdongesaym: and that will also cause all python modules to need to be adapted to the new python buildsystem.....01:17
Slant_LaptopThen I'd post debdiff wo/ changelogs... etc. Progressio.01:17
jdongesaym: when py2.5 went in to Edgy I remember doko uploading new versions of like 50 python extensions.....01:17
Slant_LaptopSo now it's a complete debdiff w/ changelog and all.01:17
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esaymBut any clue to why I get that error I posted?01:18
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: Heh... Yeah, we're tough to please. :-)01:19
shawarmaSlant_Laptop: I'm waaay to tired to do anything about it right now. Sorry.01:19
esaymI am not trying to backport all of the python stuff.  I just need python defaults2.5 and that requires python2.5.  All for libgpod4.201:21
esaymbut I am stuck on that error01:21
jdongesaym: you're trying to backport libgpod?01:22
esaymyea rofl01:22
jdongbtw you'd need to recompile every app that links to libgpod too if you do that01:22
jdongotherwise it will WRITE CORRUPT ITUNESDB FILES01:23
jdongi.e. it doesn't just crash on start01:23
jdongthat'd be too kind01:23
jdongit actually eats your iTunesDB and inserts bogus information01:23
esaymI was going to make a backports of gtkpod and libgpod01:23
jdongI would not recommend distributing any libgpod backports01:23
jdongit's fine if you want to do it for yourself....01:23
esaymwell yea I was going to do it for myself and see what happeneds01:24
jdongbut the effects of the libgpod ABI break are too dangerous to propagate01:24
esaymhmm, thanks for the headsup though01:25
jdongyeah, np01:25
jdongdon't want you to spend a weekend re-building an iTunesDB too01:25
shawarmajdong: gtkpod keeps backups around nowadays, doesn't it?01:25
jdongand not a peep outta any of you about backups :)01:25
jdongshawarma: that wasn't the problem01:25
jdongI was aiming to build gtkpod anyway01:25
shawarmajdong: oh?01:25
jdongthat was the point of new libgpod for me01:26
jdongbut when I plugged my iPod in RHYTHMBOX started01:26
jdongand found the iPod01:26
jdongand.... yeah....01:26
shawarmaThat's teach you not to.. well.. do stuff!01:26
esaymwell everything should be fine if I am using both gtkpod and libgpod from fiesty right?01:26
jdongesaym: you need to rebuild every libgpod using app01:27
shawarmaIf gnome-volume-manager starts up rhythmbox or something when you plug in your ipod...01:27
jdongesaym: or remember NEVER EVER open them01:27
jdongjdong@severance:~$ apt-cache rdepends libgpod1 libgpod0 | wc -l01:28
jdongyeah, all of those.01:28
esaymso if I open amarok and close it, the next time I use gtkpod it would corrupt?01:28
jdongesaym: yeah, opening amarok will likely damage your iTunesDB01:29
shawarmaThat is *so* broken.01:29
jdongesaym: you can tell because the iPod will not play any of the songs anymore01:29
jdongesaym: and when you look @ it with gtkpod, they all have lengths of some -3888s01:30
esaymjdong: but even if the ipod is not connected at the time amarok is opened?01:30
jdongesaym: it's fine if it wasn't connected01:30
shawarmaesaym: Yes. Weird isn't it?01:30
jdongin other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it01:30
jdongone day you're gonna accidentally open up one of these apps with your iPod connected01:30
esaymwell I was just bored actually01:30
jdongand feel really stupid :)01:30
jdongrepeat: in other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it01:31
esaymsaw some people complaining on the forums for suppport for it in edgy and dapper01:31
shawarmajdong: Has this been reported somewhere? It's really broken they didn't bump the SONAME or something.01:31
jdongshawarma: it was noted as an "oh btw" in the upload of 0.4.0 to Feisty01:32
jdongshawarma: lol01:32
jdongesaym: it's not safe to do01:32
=== shawarma fires up the crack pipe again
jdongesaym: that's one of the first things I tried when I got my iPod01:32
jdong(2nd being beating the ffmpeg stack with a long stick)01:32
esaymwell this freaking sucks, spent like 10 hours on this so far....01:32
jdongand then I took a picture of myself beating ffmpeg stack with a stick01:33
jdongI took a stack of jewel cases, labeled them "ffmpeg", and  beat it violently with an Apprehender CB-0101:33
shawarmajdong: URL?01:33
jdongand don't ask why I have one.01:33
esaymlink to the pics? ;)01:33
jdonglong story.01:34
jdongok, ok, forgive me.... I JUST discovered f-spot the other day01:34
jdongand am still organizing :D01:34
jdongwhen I come across it I'll be sure to post it somewhere :)01:34
jdong"here's jdong beating ffmpeg into shape"01:34
esaymwell is there a how to for debianizing sources?01:36
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jdongajmitch: f-spot is broken f-spot is broken f-spot is broken....01:36
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jdongajmitch: that would probably be good for me.. this physics pset isn't finishing itself01:37
Slant_LaptopAnyone else want to take a look at the diff on #63096 and let me know if there is anything wrong with it?01:37
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esaymwell yea now that I check it looks like libgpod is buried pretty good 01:49
esaymI should have checked that before I spent 10 hours trying to backport it >_<01:49
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esaymWell anything that I can backport while I am in the mood?01:49
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esaymat least I know how to do it now I think01:50
jdongyeah... prevu <pkg>01:52
esaymyea I saw that.  Was using pbuilder.  01:52
jdongsuit yourself :)01:53
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esaymman I feel worthless now.  I thought that I was going to be "that cool guy that backported libgpod"01:53
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bddebianHeya gang01:54
jdongI'm sorry :)01:54
jdongwhat is it with all the SEX on planet?01:55
jdongthis is getting ridiculous.01:55
jdong"Could the new Ubuntu Splash get any more phallic?"01:55
esaymwell shat02:00
jdongbefore long we'll have apt-cache search sex all over the place.02:01
jdongaww who got rid of libmail-audit-perl??02:02
bddebianIsn't there already a package called sex?02:02
jdongI demand it back... the "apt-cache search christ on a stick" trick no longer works.02:02
shawarmajdong: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6790790/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-ia64.avidemux_1%3A2.3.0-0.0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz02:03
shawarmaAlright! Just submitted my first patch to beryl.02:04
jdongshawarma: xulrunner apparently still broken on IA64.02:04
shawarmaIf they're even remotely sane, it will also be my last. :-) http://bugs.beryl-project.org/ticket/171502:04
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shawarmaWell, I had fun writing it.02:06
shawarmaI'm off to bed, guys.02:06
bddebianGnight shawarma02:07
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sistpotygn8 everyone02:29
ajmitchcrimsun: what was the latest modesetting branch of the i810 driver?02:29
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crimsunajmitch: meaning version in Debian [1.9.91-2]  or the actual URL [http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel.git;a=shortlog;h=modesetting ] ?02:38
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ajmitchsince there seems to be some confusion as to which package does what02:40
bddebianDamn I hate it when I get de-motivated02:40
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crimsunwell, I asked Timo a couple days ago about merging 1.9.91-1 (at that time), and he mentioned there needing to be extra defines in -intel due to some code removal02:41
crimsun(I haven't tested 1.9.91-2, just been using the compiled deb from http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting_1.7.2.git20070210-1_i386.deb )02:43
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jdongcrimsun: could you sponsor  http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff?02:48
ajmitchright, I just grabbed the source for that & am rebuilding it02:48
jdongcrimsun: it's a git-picked upstream patch for fixing a typo that breaks some OpenGL call02:48
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=== Fujitsu thinks that upgrading gnome-session may have been a mistake... gnome-panel died and came back about 20 times, and has now vanished.
=== jdong clears throata
jdongWe do not know this panel's window ID, and we never will.04:48
jdongWe do not know its parent window or its process ID.04:48
jdongWe do not know when it was created, or precisely how and when it died04:48
jdongWe do not know where on the video buffer it had made its home, or when it left for Fujitsu's monitor04:49
jdongwe do not know its age, or its circumstances -- whether it was from the hard disk or kernel cache.04:49
jdongit's all of them, it's none of us, blah blah, there is faith enough for all of us.04:50
jdonglol wow I'm nerdy....04:51
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=== Fujitsu notes LaserJock's mail to the list.
FujitsuI was pondering posting some similar points (ie. universe is controlled by MOTU, not Kubuntu), but decided not to fan the flames.05:53
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LaserJockFujitsu: so I did it instead? :(05:54
LaserJock\o/ I'm getting LP bugmail again!05:54
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FujitsuLaserJock: Without access to their bugs?05:55
FujitsuLaserJock: But it was a very well written email.05:55
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LaserJocktoo long05:56
LaserJockapparently my LP issue was a false alarm05:56
LaserJockI was just getting email when a bug was marked private, but not after05:56
LaserJockand the test bug I tried to see if I could view private bugs had ~launchpad-beta-testers subscribed05:57
LaserJockso it was a bad one to try ;-)05:57
FujitsuPrivate bugs seem to do some strange things.05:58
FujitsuLike, I've been getting bugmail from a private bug, but can't see it.05:58
jdongprivate bugs aren't good....05:58
jdongthey make shampoo for that.05:58
jdongand I think it falls under the TMI category for this channel....05:59
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FujitsuI think so.05:59
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FujitsuHey white.06:00
LaserJockhmm, ok so I wonder what "Members who add multiple accounts will be handled in the following manner. First duplicate account, the member will receive an infraction. Second duplicate account, the member will be banned." means?06:00
whitesomebody here from the kubuntu source wants to do me a favour? :)06:00
Fujitsuwhite: What makes it Kubuntu-specific?06:01
FujitsuLaserJock: Isn't it pretty obvious what it means?06:01
whitekicking a friend of mine who is kde developer, but waits with releasing his software :(06:01
whiteFujitsu: I reckon the "kde" part in it :)06:02
LaserJockFujitsu: well, that's from the Forum Council meeting? so people aren't allowed to have more than 1 account?06:02
FujitsuLaserJock: Looks that way.06:03
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LaserJockso much for the stealth accounts06:03
bddebianGnight gang06:04
LaserJockhi bddebian 06:04
LaserJockbye bddebian 06:04
FujitsuNight bddebian.06:05
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bluefoxicyDOes anyone remember the excuse used for Snort in Debian?06:12
bluefoxicysomething like "Well the rules aren't GPL any more" so we have ass-old snort?06:12
bluefoxicy(that was what they told me last time; it's a retarded excuse, you can package snort without rules and let users download them, plus I am LOOKING at the download for gpl rules right now..)06:14
jdongbluefoxicy: apparently official snort rules aren't DFSG?06:15
jdongbluefoxicy: shall I walk over to RMS's office and ask him? :D06:15
bluefoxicyjdong:  I dunno, that's what I was told for why snort seems abandoned; I'm thinking it's probably really just no maintainer.06:16
bluefoxicy"The Community Rulesets contain rules submitted by members of the open source community. While these rules are available as is, the VRT performs basic tests to ensure that new rules will not break Snort. These rules are distributed under the GPL and are freely available to all open source Snort users."06:16
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bluefoxicyI can't find any docs on why it's dead in debian06:21
bluefoxicyI'd go ask them but last time I went in there the place was full of assholes and they kicked me out (hint:  If you walk in, ask a simple question, and people don't bother to probe or explain but rather start laughing in all caps at you and then ban you for logging onto IRC as root, you're probably surrounded by assholes)06:22
bluefoxicyI think that was what... 4 or 5 years ago, probably when I first switched off mandrake06:23
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Lutinjdong: do you think backporting imagezoom from feisty would be ok for bug #88581 ? (if the user confirms the bug in edgy)07:55
UbugtuMalone bug 88581 in imagezoom "mozilla-imagezoom is not compatible with Firefox 2.0.0.x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8858107:55
Lathiatwin 2107:57
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trycytWhy do I get this message when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ?08:58
trycytgpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available08:58
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imbrandonyou are trying to sign ( and build ) a package that has a key in the changelog that you dont have access to ( e.g. not yours )09:22
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dholbachgood morning09:28
imbrandonheya dholbach 09:30
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dholbachhey imbrandon09:31
dholbachhey Hobbsee09:31
imbrandonello Hobbsee09:31
FujitsuHi dholbach, Hobbsee, imbrandon.09:31
Hobbseehey dholbach, imbrandon and Fujitsu 09:32
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Hobbseehrm, didnt appear to stir up too much trouble on the ML.09:33
FujitsuHobbsee: Probably other people are hiding.09:36
HobbseeFujitsu: quite probably09:36
HobbseeFujitsu: dunno why though, 'im not that scary.  hopefully they're thinking before they reply09:36
imbrandoni havent seen your post09:37
imbrandoni think my procmail might be eating some or something09:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: lists.u.c has archives09:37
Hobbseedodgy procmail...09:38
imbrandonwhats the subject ?09:38
imbrandoni'll grep09:38
Hobbseekde4 stuff09:39
imbrandonohh yea i seen that09:39
imbrandonHobbsee, Fujitsu , you should both REALLY listen to this google talk ( about 4 minutes in ) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-421601196152281864509:47
imbrandonit pertains to that thread ALOT09:47
imbrandon( and many others )09:48
imbrandon( and yes you can fast forward )09:48
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imbrandonbookmark it later then Fujitsu , you'll like it09:49
FujitsuI believe I saw that referenced elsewhere a couple of days back.09:50
StevenKimbrandon: So where did intrepid go?09:50
imbrandonno where, should be there, /me looks09:50
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imbrandonprobably asleep09:51
imbrandoni forgot to comment out lid.sh /me groans09:52
StevenKThis is what happens when you use a laptop, you goose. :-P09:52
imbrandonyea i will replace it someday09:52
ajmitcha "compact rack unit"09:53
imbrandonlemme get someone to reset it, one sec09:53
TheMusoEvening all btw.09:55
imbrandonheya TheMuso 09:55
FujitsuHi TheMuso09:56
imbrandongah found out whats wrong with intrepid, jeremy ( at work ) is fixing, should be up in moments StevenK 10:00
imbrandonbtw aurora and intrepid have the new faster pbuilders on them ( i havent upgraded sparky yet )10:01
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imbrandonyay \0/10:03
Fujitsudholbach: Yay :)10:03
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imbrandonStevenK, tis up10:13
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gpocentekgood morning Universe10:24
Hobbseehi mainmain10:24
Hobbseeer, main10:24
Lutin'morning gpocentek 10:24
FujitsuHi gpocentek.10:25
gpocentekhi Hobbsee, hi Fujitsu, salut Lutin ;)10:26
man-diwer vin ich10:27
FujitsuEr, hi man-di.10:28
man-diCan someone enligthen me how merges with Debian are generelly done? Just upload the the package from Debian somewhere to Ubuntu?10:32
TheMusoman-di: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging10:33
imbrandonthat really wouldent be a merge, that would be a sync ;)10:34
TheMusoman-di: man-di and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing10:34
imbrandonman its great to see all the Ubuntu choices on the Dell poll, 80% of the /. crowd went with ubuntu10:40
Fujitsuimbrandon: Unsurprising, really.10:40
FujitsuUbuntu > *10:40
imbrandonit is suprising actualy if you have been arround gnu/linux for any length of time, up untill 2 years ago it would have been split nearly even with 5 diffrent ones, not 80% one and 30% otherrs10:41
man-diso, syncing java stuff should not be so hard I think10:42
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imbrandonman-di, as long as there isnt any ubuntu specific changes ( or ones that have been incorperated upstream )10:42
imbrandonotherwise it still needs to be a merge10:42
man-diimbrandon: right10:42
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Fujitsuimbrandon: But then Ubuntu came along. Ubuntu changed that.10:43
man-diimbrandon: in case of diffs we normally try to create a generic source that just builds different, see eclipse10:43
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imbrandonhrm crimsun ( or any member of motu-sru ) can i sponsor my own upload to -proposed ?11:06
StevenKFrom what I recall.11:07
imbrandonw.r.t. malone bug #9219211:07
UbugtuMalone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9219211:07
StevenKmod-mono is supposed to be broken. Matches Microsoft.11:07
imbrandoni have it fixed on my installation but i would like to fix it for everyone ;)11:08
imbrandonshit i did the diff backwords11:10
imbrandonoh well11:10
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imbrandonStevenK, are you pretty sure about that, i hate to upload and get yelled at , hehe11:13
imbrandonStevenK, what on earth for ?11:13
imbrandonremote x ? heh11:13
StevenKGnome is busticated anyway.11:13
StevenKimbrandon: about-window needs a -desktop package11:13
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StevenK"... so gnome 2.18 is installable on powerpc and amd64 again"11:17
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imbrandondholbach, can i sponsor my own upload to -proposed ?11:19
dholbachStevenK: there are some things that did not build, so an upgrade on those archs does not upgrade everything atm11:19
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dholbachimbrandon: yes, if you're confident in it and have triple checked it11:19
imbrandonyes i have, infact i have it inuse on a productin box 11:20
imbrandonsooo ;)11:20
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imbrandonits justa  simple rebuild ( ala bug 92192 )11:20
UbugtuMalone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9219211:20
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dholbachhi proppy11:24
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imbrandondholbach, ok  mod-mono_1.1.17-3build1~proposed1 uploaded to edgy-proposed, do i need to poke an archive admin to check the saneness of the versioning as per the SRU page ?11:27
imbrandonor .... ( sorry i havent done many sru's yet )11:27
imbrandoneven though i helped write the darned doc ;)11:27
dholbachme neither11:31
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU should be easier now11:32
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imbrandonheh, leaste its getting some use StevenK ;)11:46
StevenKintrepid needs to be faster. I could have set up two -desktop packages on my amd64 by now. :-P11:47
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imbrandonsomeday they will all be speed demons11:49
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StevenKCanonical has two for ppc build daemons. :-)11:50
imbrandonbenc was telling me about them in cali11:50
imbrandoni was drooling11:50
imbrandona fast arm buildd would be cool too, for nokia stuff11:51
StevenKFast ARMs don't exist. :-P11:52
imbrandoni have a 200mhz mipsel too but i am hesitant to put it in the rack as everythgin would have to be done over nfs 11:52
imbrandonas it only has 16mb space11:52
imbrandoni heard about soem desktop class arm boxen11:53
imbrandonbut never seen one myself11:53
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imbrandonhum looks like the fastest arm desktop i can find in google is a 600mhz intel ARM one12:01
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TheMusodanohuiginn: I got your email, and I will look at it tomorrow, as I am about to head to bed.01:21
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danohuiginncool. Thanks, TheMuso. No hurry, and good night01:31
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shawarmabmm: How far have you come? Do you have a package yet or just getting started?01:37
bmmshawarma: I have a package, but now I'm getting to the tedious part: getting all the copyright names corret, writing a missing manual page etc.01:37
shawarmabmm: right. You can upload it to revu if you want to get pointers on where to go from there. You can also just upload it anyway to show that you're working in it.01:38
shawarmaHmm.. How does this bot thing work?01:38
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU01:38
shawarmabmm: ^^01:38
bmmOk, so no real ITP or anything to close in the first ChangeLog entry :-D01:39
bmmI read about REVU already, also joined the contributers to motu etc.01:39
bmmNow I just need to sign, do the copyright, the simple manual and then upload.01:40
bmmshawarma: thanks for the help01:40
shawarmaPretty much.01:40
shawarmabmm: No problem.01:40
shawarmabmm: What was the package again?01:40
bmmshawarma: iolanguage, the io language interperter ( http://www.iolanguage.com )01:47
shawarmabmm: Ok.01:49
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Hobbseedholbach: you around?02:04
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shawarmaI'm looking at the beryl wiki and it says to put "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" in my xorg.conf. I haven't done that and beryl seems to work anyway. Do any of you know what it's supposed to do?02:17
Hobbseeshawarma: ask in #beryl02:17
shawarmaTried it. 02:17
shawarmaNo luck.02:18
shawarmatwice, even.02:18
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imbrandonit just speeds up the rendering on some cards02:18
imbrandonif it works well without it dont worry02:18
shawarmaWell, if it could make it even smoother that would be cool.02:19
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Amaranthshawarma: XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps kills performance when you aren't using compiz/beryl but without it you get rendering bugs03:04
Amaranthlike windows that only have a background, no text or widgets03:04
AmaranthXAA must die03:04
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shawarmaAmaranth: Oh! I've seen this happen loads of times.03:09
shawarmaAmaranth: I just thought i was a bug somewhere.03:10
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dholbachHobbsee: now03:11
Adri2000hmm, I uploaded freesci 0.3.5-4ubuntu2 (rebuild) and forgot to change the maintainer, dpkg said nothing, strange03:12
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geserAdri2000: not even a warning?03:17
geserhave you set DEBEMAIL to your ubuntu email address?03:17
Adri2000nope, I use my gmail address03:18
Adri2000but you're right, there were two warnings03:18
Adri2000it used to fail if the maintainer field was not set to an @ubuntu address, did that change recently?03:19
geserdpkg-source only aborts now when DEBEMAIL contains an ubuntu email address03:19
Adri2000ah ok, then I need to be careful now03:20
geser * scripts/dpkg-source.pl: Only fail to build the source package if $DEBEMAIL contains 'ubuntu'. If not, only print a warning.03:20
geseror simply set DEBEMAIL to your ubuntu email :)03:20
Amaranthso, hey, anyone know what the story is with gnome-compiz-manager?03:22
Amaranthlost in NEW for almost a month03:22
Amaranthwould have expected a rejection or acceptance by now :)03:23
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geserAmaranth: ask the archive admins03:31
Amaranthah, i see03:38
Amaranthneed people to review and upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=450503:39
Amaranthone in NEW has license problems03:39
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jussi01Hei all, Im testing the usplash package for ubuntustudio, and its giving me a dependency error - see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10360/ am I doing something wrong, or is something actually wrong?05:18
pochujussi01: the build-dependens seems to be wrong... try to change usplash-dev with libusplash-dev05:24
jussi01pochu, Im a little on the new side, whats the proceedure to do that?05:25
geseredit debian/control05:25
pochujussi01: are you building the package in a pbuilder, right?05:25
pochujussi01: ^05:25
jussi01pochu, yeah in pbuilder - Ill have a look at debian/control05:26
pochujussi01: search the line "Build-depends"05:26
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jussi01ok, thanks - just checking it now...05:26
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jussi01thanks pochu, geser that sorted the problem05:31
pochujussi01: which ubuntu version are u using?05:31
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jussi01pochu, feisty05:32
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pochujussi01: then you can tell that to the ubuntustudio packagers (or whoever have done that package)05:33
jussi01pochu, yes I will do,05:33
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jussi01could someone email e a copy of their  .pbuilderrc and pbuilder/hook.d/D70results files? I seem to have mine configurd wrong..06:07
jussi01jussi01 at gmail.com06:07
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bmmIs it possible to place comments in the control file? I have some package paragraphs in my control, which I want to temporarily disable because of licensing problems.06:27
bmmI wouls also be ok if it isn't a problem to have to many package paragraphs in your control file.06:27
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bmmThe policy doesn't state any syntax for comments in control files ( http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html ) as far as I can see. Any other places it might be described?06:29
bmmI'll just move the paragraphs to another file and store them there then.06:30
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ograbmm, thats what the changelog is for ... just make a more detailed note in there 06:42
wolferine<Seveas> i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?06:42
dholbachwolferine: please... write a mail, but don't keep the conversation on multiple channels06:43
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bmmogra: thanks07:08
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bddebianHeya gang07:17
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jussi01hei all, I am having a little trouble with pbuilder. pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal works perfectly, but if I do pdebuild, I get errors - am I doing something wrong?07:26
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geserHi bddebian07:28
bddebianHeya geser07:29
trycytCan update-alternatives be used to manage symlinks in /usr/lib/cups/backend ?07:37
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imbrandoncruft dholbach are you a moderator on ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com ?08:20
ajmitchimbrandon: you need something let through?08:21
imbrandoni sent a sru testing request to the list but from the wrong address, can you poke it through please ?08:21
imbrandonyea ajmitch 08:21
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ajmitchgot it08:22
imbrandoncool, thanks08:22
ajmitchhm, dholbach must have let it through08:22
ajmitchnothing in the admin queue anyway08:23
imbrandonahh got it08:23
imbrandonit came though08:23
imbrandon( but my procmal marked it as bugmail , arg )08:23
dholbachgood night everybody - see you tomorrow08:23
imbrandongnight dholbach 08:24
dholbachnight imbrandon08:24
ajmitchnight dholbach 08:24
dholbachnight ajmitch08:24
pochunight dholbach08:24
dholbachnight pochu08:24
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ajmitchoh well, nothing we can do about it now08:29
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ajmitchstop that08:30
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.08:48
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imbrandonhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001428.html   <-- two testers that use apache2 please08:54
jussi01hei motu's Ive just gotten an error when updating feisty - I will file a bug report, but just thoght to check here if some one has seen it, and if it is just only a setup prob on my machine. the error is: E: cupsys: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 208:56
geserjussi01: see bug #9220508:56
UbugtuMalone bug 92205 in cupsys "Error on cupsys update" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9220508:56
jussi01geser, fixed? I just did the update...08:58
Lamegoits probably not yet on your mirror08:58
geserit may some time till it appears on all mirrors08:58
jussi01ok, thanks08:59
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imbrandon_MMA_, do you rember carls last name ?09:15
imbrandon( from system76.com )09:15
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Smoke2kcould you help me imbrandon09:16
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imbrandoni can try, whats up?09:16
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SlantCould a kind-hearted MOTU review LP #63096 for inclusion?09:18
TheMusobug 6309609:18
UbugtuMalone bug 63096 in slab "Package missing control-center executable" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6309609:18
jdongthat's slab09:18
imbrandoni'm core too so i can look, but give me just a few minutes, i need to make a call before the close of business today09:19
Smoke2kthanks man09:19
Smoke2kok here is the deal09:19
TheMusojdong: You sure?09:19
Smoke2ki am trying to partition with ubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-powerpc09:20
jdongTheMuso: wait..... not totally.....09:20
jdongTheMuso: ok, slap me :D09:20
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imbrandonSmoke2k, ok ....09:20
Smoke2ki got external 60 gig usb drive09:20
Smoke2kit won't auto partition right for me09:20
Smoke2kand when i try to set the 3 partitions it gives me trouble09:20
TheMusoimbrandon: DO you have it covered?09:20
Smoke2ki know i need one ext primary09:20
Smoke2ki need one for bootstrap 09:20
Smoke2kand one for swap09:20
Slantjdong: Slab isn't main. It's universe.09:20
imbrandonTheMuso, no i ahvent looked yet09:21
jdongSlant: yeah, sorry, just realized after saying it :)09:21
Smoke2kbut i must not be labeling these right with function or something on partitioning program09:21
TheMusoimbrandon: Ok, I'll have a look.09:21
Smoke2ki don't know what the deal is 09:21
Smoke2kit won't finish partition for install 09:21
Smoke2kit says overlapping on auto set thing and won't do it right09:21
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imbrandonSmoke2k, this channel isnt really for support, BUT , label have nothing to do with end results, if you are un familiar with it, let it automaticly do it09:22
jdongimbrandon: I think he's saying he's using auto, and gets an error about overlapping partitioning09:22
Smoke2kyea i did it doesn't work09:23
imbrandonright, and i'm by no means an partman expert, probably would be better of in #ubuntu09:23
Smoke2kneither with guided partitioning either09:23
Smoke2kwill it auto install yaboot to it...i don't think so but it still doesn't work09:23
imbrandonyes it will automaticly do your yaboot stuff09:23
Smoke2kyea i know it installs yaboot to it but i am still having problems09:23
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imbrandonif you choose auto09:23
Smoke2ki have got into every channel related to ubuntu that is chatting09:24
Smoke2kso far no one can help09:24
Smoke2k'they actually said you could 09:24
TheMusoSlant: Have you tested that this patch works?09:24
Smoke2ki really wish i could just call someone on phone and follow through with this partitiong 09:24
imbrandonSmoke2k, yes but this isnt really a support channel, and without specifics i cant, even then i doubt __I__ can help as i'm not a partman expert09:24
Smoke2kauto should do it ...it doesn't make sense it cann't auto partitiong09:25
TheMusoSlant: And made sure that the package builds ok?09:25
Smoke2ki have never had problem partitioning anything09:25
SlantTheMuso: Yyup.09:25
SlantTheMuso: I'm running it right now.09:25
imbrandonSmoke2k, try booting the cd from scriatch and choose auto BEFORE anything else, if that dosent work, choose the desktop cd not the alternate 09:25
TheMusoSlant: Ok.09:26
SlantTheMuso: apt-get source gnome-main-menu && cd slab... && patch -p1 -i <whereever>/use_gnomecc.patch should have it all prepped and ready with changelog and everything.09:26
TheMusoSlant: Yeah I know. Could you please do it again, this time changing the maintainer field as outlined at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField?09:27
SlantTheMuso: Ok.09:28
TheMusoSlant: Thanks.09:29
SlantTheMuso: That page implies there is a script to automate this, but I can't find it off the linked page.09:35
SlantTheMuso: Is doing it manually Good Enough?09:35
TheMusoSlant: Yes.09:35
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SlantTheMuso: Should I be appending the sane XSBC-Original to the Debian uploader field too? (or stripping it, or leaving it?)09:37
TheMusoUploaders doesn't matter I don't think.09:37
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imbrandonFujitsu, wanan test / poke https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mod-mono/+bug/92192 so i can get one of my "works for me"09:38
UbugtuMalone bug 92192 in mod-mono "[SRU]  libapache2-mod-mono uninstallable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  09:38
Fujitsuimbrandon: Sure, once I've recovered from the shock of the usefulness of one particular new beta feature.09:40
imbrandonFujitsu, hehe09:40
imbrandoni just signed up for beta lp today09:40
FujitsuWhat do you think of it?09:41
imbrandonmatt revell just sent me an email asking that i not take screenshots etc, then i'll get added to the team09:42
imbrandonso i'm 50% there09:42
SlantTheMuso: New patch up at bug 63096.09:42
UbugtuMalone bug 63096 in slab "Package missing control-center executable" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6309609:42
TheMusoSlant: Thanks.09:43
TheMusoGuys, I am not up on .desktop files, but does an icon have to be referenced by absolute path as well as extension?09:44
_MMA_imbrandon: Carl J Richell  carl@system76.com09:44
SlantTheMuso: "If the name is not an absolute path, the algorithm described in the Icon Theme Specification will be used to locate the icon."09:45
imbrandon_MMA_, rockin thanks, gonna call him now ;)09:45
FujitsuTheMuso: You're meant to give a name without a path or extension.09:45
TheMusoFujitsu: Thanks. Just wasn't entirely sure.09:46
TheMusoIs there a document somewhere that outlines .desktop files?09:46
FujitsuSomewhere on freedesktop.org09:46
TheMusook thanks.09:47
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Fujitsuimbrandon: It hasn't been accepted into edgy-proposed yet, so I can't properly test it.09:47
imbrandonhrm its been accepted, by Mithrandar , just not built09:48
LamegoTheMuso, the full path is not required if the icon is on one of the standard dirs09:49
TheMusoLamego: Thanks.09:50
Lamegolike, the icon is expected to be on /usr/share/pixmaps09:50
TheMusoYeah I have read about that.09:54
FujitsuAnd if the icon isn't in one of those directories, it's in the wrong place.09:55
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siretartimbrandon: you pinged me yesterday?10:04
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imbrandonsiretart, umm yea one sec10:04
bddebianHeya LaserJock10:05
LaserJockbddebian: are you a LP beta tester?10:05
bddebianLaserJock: Nah, I'm nobody :'-(10:05
LaserJockbddebian: excellent :-)10:05
LaserJockbddebian: I need a favor10:05
bddebianUh oh10:05
LaserJockbddebian:  can you try going to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced?field.tags=universe-request10:07
FujitsuLaserJock: Have you seen the new beta feature?10:08
FujitsuYou can search for a bug contact's bug, finalyl10:08
FujitsuSo we can get a proper list of science bugs.10:08
LaserJockFujitsu: saw something about that in the bug email10:08
LaserJockoh, I didn't make the connection there, excellent news10:09
TheMusoSlant: Just doing a test build of the package now.10:09
bddebianLaserJock: OK, I get a create a new bug window, now what? :)10:09
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LaserJockbddebian: does i have anything in the tags field?10:10
FujitsuLaserJock: Does for me.10:10
LaserJockfor Beta it should10:10
LaserJockI"m just not clear on what happens for non-Beta10:10
FujitsuLaserJock: It's not been deployed to production, AFAIK. It might be on edge.10:11
bddebianLaserJock: Where is the tags feild? :)10:11
Fujitsubddebian: I'll take that as a no, then :)10:11
LaserJockFujitsu: well, I just wanted to see what'd do (OOPS or not)10:12
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bddebianWell they might be there, I'm old.  Maybe I'm blind?? :-)10:26
siretartFujitsu: how?10:28
Fujitsusiretart: On the advanced bug search page, but only on beta.10:28
FujitsuOr maybe edge too, I'm not sure.10:28
FujitsuI take it that it's not on edge, as edge is down.10:29
siretartis it just me or is lp terribly slow ?10:30
FujitsuI've always found it terribly slow.10:31
TheMusoFujitsu: It seems ok in elinks.10:31
TheMusoCan be a little slow at times.10:31
siretartFujitsu: oh,  nice. that's really useful!10:31
FujitsuYay for 20-second page loads.10:32
Fujitsusiretart: Yup, it was added a few hours ago.10:32
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FujitsuI've been wanting such a feature for many months now.10:32
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sistpotyhi folks10:44
FujitsuHey sistpoty.10:44
sistpotyhi Fujitsu10:44
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siretarthey sistpoty 10:53
sistpotyhi siretart, how are you?10:53
sistpotyhi pochu10:53
siretartsistpoty: fine, and you?10:53
sistpotysiretart: well, I'm really behind with my thesis, but apart from that I'm fine10:53
sistpotysiretart: btw.: I'll probably stay at university... Volkmar kinda promised me that I could do a "Dissertation" at immd3 :)10:54
siretartsistpoty: w000t! :)10:54
ajmitchhey sistpoty 10:55
sistpotynow I only need to hand in my thesis in time (26. april is deadline)10:55
siretartsistpoty: but isn't immd3 to be merged with immd12?10:55
sistpotyhi ajmitch10:55
sistpotysiretart: none that I know of10:55
ajmitchwe should ban sistpoty from #u-motu for a few weeks :)10:55
sistpotysiretart: actually immd3 will probably get a new prof... at least there are two candidates of what I've heard so far10:56
siretarthey, you didn't ban me that time!10:56
sistpotyhehe ajmitch10:56
ajmitchsiretart: sorry :(10:56
siretartsistpoty: maybe I'm confusing things10:56
siretartajmitch: ;)10:56
sistpotyajmitch: maybe you should better ban me from mailing lists :P10:56
FujitsuGet the CC to banish you from the community for a while.10:58
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TheMusoSlant: Uploaded, bug marked as fix committed. Please set to fix released once it has successfully built. You can go to http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/slab to to find out. Thanks.11:06
SlantTheMuso: Thanks!11:09
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siretartgood night, folks!11:12
sistpotygn8 siretart11:13
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