=== rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] oh! Thanks, TheMuso, I had never heard of pbuilder; I'll have a look at it [12:16] Adri2000: There. Uploaded the new avidemux. [12:17] awesome, thanks, shawarma_ === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] jdong: no [12:22] er.. [12:22] i meant "np", of course. :-) [12:23] shawarma_: well fine don't take my politeness ;-) === jdong angrily notices that xgl 0.0.1 has been tagged upstream === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] jdong: You're angry? Wait till you tell crimsun. :-) [12:30] jdong: /win 4 [12:30] jdong: Or not [12:30] shawarma_: shhhh :) I'm planning on not worrying about it unless I get a bugreport about xglSetFonts() [12:30] or whatever that borken command is === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] New bug: #92081 in xserver-xgl (main) "xglSetFonts() is b0rk3n" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/92081 [12:31] Malone bug 92081 in synaptic "[apport] synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:31] Ah, busted. [12:31] shawarma_: lol [12:32] http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commit;h=513d88cc87cfaa0efb5fe23db4ecee020e0b8efd [12:32] Ubugtu: Thanks a lot. :-( [12:32] that changeset.... [12:32] it's like a 10-line diff of replacing 'n' with 'i' [12:32] jdong: Yeah, just saw it. [12:33] jdong: Looks important in a subtle kind of way. === fowlduck- [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] yeah I keep thinking we'll see something break because of it not being available [12:33] let me see if it applies without the 10 other syncing commits :) [12:33] can someone tell me how to find astraljava's bzr branches? I looked on launchpad under ubuntu studio but I can seem to figure out which ones are his branches... [12:34] ooh it does [12:35] jdong: You remember me not knowing about bsg? I looked around and it turns out it's hasn't on Danish tv before some time in January this year.. No wonder I didn't know about it. [12:35] heh [12:35] interesting [12:35] "it's hasn't on"? what the.. [12:36] would this patch need approval from uvf folks again or can anyone sponsor it? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] jdong: It wouldn't need UFVe approval, no. [12:41] jdong: It's just a bugfix. [12:41] okie, I'll prepare up a patch and test it [12:42] I'm gonna wager a guess and say that arbitrary broken OpenGL calls should be fixed ;-) [12:42] xserver-xgl... It's only fglrx users who need it, isn't it? === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] shawarma: yeah, which is still significant... and also nvidia legacy and Geforce4 <=MX440 say Xgl is faster [12:46] jdong: Sure it's significant. It's just amazing how much work everyone else has to do because ATI are lazy bastards. [12:46] yeah, it's unfortunate no doubt [12:46] but as long as I have an ATI card I'll do all I can to get eyecandy on them :) [12:48] shawarma: I can almost assure you that the first 6 months of their future AIGLX-compatible driver will be riddled with hardlocks and bugs.... [12:48] so Xgl will still have to be used long into the future for fglrx users. === jdong waits for build [12:51] I'm no GL expert. At all. Nevertheless, texture_from_pixmap sounds like the most basic function call imaginable. How would one do anything useful without being able to create a texture from a pixmap? [12:52] well I guess it wasn't necessary before the day of desktop compositing [12:52] and fglrx has much more serious work than making textures from pixmaps [12:52] right now you can't even use composite with hardware acceleration. === Slant_Laptop [n=scott@c-24-19-53-63.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] I don't even know what composite does (apart from enable desktop bling). === ajmitch returns [12:54] shawarma: I'm no expert on X crap, but I think it allows you to draw a window on an off-screen buffer [12:55] then have X be able to put it on the screen, etc. [12:55] jdong: => bling? Cool. [12:55] yeah , I think that's probably the first step towards bling [12:55] Beryl I know can operate solely from the composite extension [12:55] (though very inefficiently [12:56] Ok. [12:58] jdong: Do you use beryl or compiz? [12:58] I have a package patch for slab / gnome-main-menu. Is it worth it to get REVU access, or can I just post the debdiff to the relevant bugs and someone else will get to it? [12:58] I have both around, but personally I prefer Beryl for myself [12:58] I like what they've added, and the extreme amount of customizability too [12:58] Slant_Laptop: Are there bugs on launchpad for it? [12:59] but Compiz would be more appropriate for a more professional-use oriented system. [12:59] Slant_Laptop: If so, just attach the debdiffs there and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors [12:59] it captures a lot of the usability features of compositing without obnoxious effects :) [01:00] shawarma: Thanks. [01:00] jdong: I used to like it, too. At some point, though, they thought they were smart, and made the settings-manager thing check if a certain key combo did more than one thing. Since then, I've ditched it. I need Button1 to do two things. [01:00] jdong: I need it to initiate window move AND raise the window. [01:00] shawarma: ah, interesting. I haven't ran into problems like that yet... there's just some Beryl features I really come to love and depend on. [01:01] jdong: I think the window preview thing is really cool. [01:01] shawarma: ring task switcher, transparent cube, 3D elevated windows, window preview, invert color scheme..... [01:01] jdong: Of course I've been too frickin' lazy to file a bug. [01:01] jdong: invert color scheme??! For what? [01:01] shawarma: i.e. try reading a 60 page black on white PDF. [01:01] it begins to hurt. very soon. === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-188-210.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] jdong: I do it all the time. I prefer to read on my computer. [01:02] and it takes all the burn out of annoying neon-pink on neon-green color schemes too. [01:02] shawarma: well my eyes benefit from being able to invert colors [01:02] shawarma: Done. LP #63096. [01:02] shawarma: Thanks. [01:02] and it also becomes easier to view on lowest LCD brightness [01:02] Slant_Laptop: Oh, thank you! [01:03] jdong: I have an intel graphics card so I try to keep the bling at a pretty low level. [01:03] shawarma: Quinn only has a 915 and it's working for her as a developer :) [01:03] shawarma: the effects I mentioned are pretty polite on the graphics card [01:03] except transparent cube [01:04] jdong: She does? Interesting. [01:04] yeah, surprised me a lot at first, too :) [01:05] jdong: It's good to know, though. [01:06] jdong: That way we know that there's focus on performance on low-end cards, too. [01:06] yeah [01:06] the last thing I want to see our 3D compositing do is to require elitist GPU's [01:06] like some Other OS. [01:06] well gonna restart Xgl and test that patch [01:07] :) [01:07] I actually saw vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics.. [01:07] I didn't look all that bad. [01:07] Oh, he left. === ajmitch spots a Hobbsee mini-rant [01:07] ajmitch: *grin* [01:08] ? === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@h-67-102-70-2.snfccasy.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:08] Oh. [01:08] Hobbsee saying "stay out of our area!" [01:08] ajmitch: i'm concerned about how big the MOTU is attemtping to extend itself, when the reasons these separate subcouncils, etc, were created, was to stop the CC/TB doing exactly the same thing. [01:09] I'm concerned that the proposal was to dump snapshots in universe & not support them afterwards, meaning that it'd be a waste of MOTU time [01:09] MOTU doesnt work on kde for the most part anyway === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] i fail to see that changing anytime soon [01:09] whee it works [01:09] but you're right. they're snapshots, and are obviously treated as such. anyone who knows about KDE4 realises that. [01:09] anyone careth to sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff [01:09] small patch pulled from upstream git [01:10] and being in universe, lots of people won't know all the details about kde4 & will install them [01:10] "ooh new shiny!" [01:10] (fixes some broken OpenGL calls) [01:10] ajmitch: 4>3, right? :D [01:10] yep [01:10] jdong: As I was saying. I actually saw Vista run on a laptop with intel 945 graphics.. [01:11] jdong: It didn't look all that bad. [01:11] shawarma: my roomie has Vista running on a GMA950 [01:11] ajmitch: true. and they wont read package descriptions, etc, either, because people dont read. [01:11] jdong: I'm guessing that was what you were referring to. [01:11] shawarma: it ran the basics well [01:11] Hobbsee: they're users. [01:11] which also means that they may not read enough to get to the right section of LP, hopefully. [01:11] jdong: Oh, it's the only time I've ever seen Vista. I don't know how much or how little was enabled. [01:12] shawarma: but start actually _using_ the compositor's API rather than looking at the alt-tab effects, and boy it just dies [01:12] it's getting too easy to file bugs now === Hobbsee has to go to work today, and isnt terribly happy about that, either [01:12] exactly. [01:12] i'm starting to think we need a bug which says "your bug did not contain enough info" and just mark all the silly bugs as dupes of that. or something. === Slant_Laptop_ [n=scott@24.19.53.63] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] shawarma: Is there any way to check if the debdiff is being handled by someone? I guess what I'm asking is is there any feedback outside of subscribing motu-sponsors and waiting? [01:14] Slant_Laptop_: I just remembered. gnome-main-menu is not in universe. [01:14] shawarma: Oh? [01:14] Haha. Is it not now? [01:14] Uh. [01:14] Section: universe/gnome [01:14] slab appears to be in universe, yes. [01:15] Slant_Laptop_: what the.. [01:15] yeah it's universe.... [01:15] It WAS in main for while, wasn't it? === Slant_Laptop kicks his clients. [01:15] shawarma: slab wasn't ever in main, I don't think. === shawarma puts the crack pipe away [01:15] Oh, well. [01:15] anyone backported python2.5? [01:15] that requires like a massive python subsystem backport :) [01:16] I am trying to do it for dapper using the fiesty source. I get this error though http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10290/ [01:16] jdong: you should do it. you like crack, remember? [01:16] Hobbsee: not that much crack :) [01:16] Slant_Laptop: Well... You can hang around here and poke people until something happens. [01:16] Hobbsee: yay Xgl is uploaded, my day is all the brighter :) [01:16] hehe [01:16] jdong: how much is "massive" I from what I see it's about 5 [01:17] massive == too many == more than he wants to [01:17] shawarma: Mainly I'd like to be personally yelled at if there is something wrong with the patch, so I can "not do that" in future submissions. [01:17] esaym: you need all the python-central and dh_python stuff too [01:17] In the past, I'd just attach source changes. [01:17] Then maintainers would say, "post a debdiff." [01:17] esaym: and that will also cause all python modules to need to be adapted to the new python buildsystem..... [01:17] Then I'd post debdiff wo/ changelogs... etc. Progressio. [01:17] esaym: when py2.5 went in to Edgy I remember doko uploading new versions of like 50 python extensions..... [01:17] So now it's a complete debdiff w/ changelog and all. === Slant_Laptop shrugs. [01:18] hmm [01:18] But any clue to why I get that error I posted? [01:19] Slant_Laptop: Heh... Yeah, we're tough to please. :-) [01:19] Slant_Laptop: I'm waaay to tired to do anything about it right now. Sorry. [01:21] I am not trying to backport all of the python stuff. I just need python defaults2.5 and that requires python2.5. All for libgpod4.2 [01:21] but I am stuck on that error [01:22] esaym: you're trying to backport libgpod? [01:22] yea rofl [01:22] btw you'd need to recompile every app that links to libgpod too if you do that [01:23] otherwise it will WRITE CORRUPT ITUNESDB FILES [01:23] i.e. it doesn't just crash on start [01:23] that'd be too kind [01:23] it actually eats your iTunesDB and inserts bogus information [01:23] I was going to make a backports of gtkpod and libgpod [01:23] I would not recommend distributing any libgpod backports [01:23] it's fine if you want to do it for yourself.... [01:24] well yea I was going to do it for myself and see what happeneds [01:24] but the effects of the libgpod ABI break are too dangerous to propagate [01:25] hmm, thanks for the headsup though [01:25] yeah, np [01:25] don't want you to spend a weekend re-building an iTunesDB too [01:25] jdong: gtkpod keeps backups around nowadays, doesn't it? [01:25] and not a peep outta any of you about backups :) [01:25] shawarma: that wasn't the problem [01:25] I was aiming to build gtkpod anyway [01:25] jdong: oh? [01:26] that was the point of new libgpod for me [01:26] but when I plugged my iPod in RHYTHMBOX started [01:26] and found the iPod [01:26] and.... yeah.... [01:26] ow. [01:26] That's teach you not to.. well.. do stuff! [01:26] well everything should be fine if I am using both gtkpod and libgpod from fiesty right? [01:27] Depends. [01:27] esaym: you need to rebuild every libgpod using app [01:27] If gnome-volume-manager starts up rhythmbox or something when you plug in your ipod... [01:27] esaym: or remember NEVER EVER open them [01:28] jdong@severance:~$ apt-cache rdepends libgpod1 libgpod0 | wc -l [01:28] 15 [01:28] yeah, all of those. [01:28] so if I open amarok and close it, the next time I use gtkpod it would corrupt? [01:29] esaym: yeah, opening amarok will likely damage your iTunesDB [01:29] That is *so* broken. [01:29] esaym: you can tell because the iPod will not play any of the songs anymore [01:30] esaym: and when you look @ it with gtkpod, they all have lengths of some -3888s [01:30] jdong: but even if the ipod is not connected at the time amarok is opened? [01:30] esaym: it's fine if it wasn't connected [01:30] esaym: Yes. Weird isn't it? [01:30] in other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it [01:30] one day you're gonna accidentally open up one of these apps with your iPod connected [01:30] well I was just bored actually [01:30] and feel really stupid :) [01:31] repeat: in other words, unless you're gonna DIE without new libgpod, don't do it [01:31] saw some people complaining on the forums for suppport for it in edgy and dapper [01:31] jdong: Has this been reported somewhere? It's really broken they didn't bump the SONAME or something. [01:32] shawarma: it was noted as an "oh btw" in the upload of 0.4.0 to Feisty [01:32] shawarma: lol [01:32] esaym: it's not safe to do === shawarma fires up the crack pipe again [01:32] esaym: that's one of the first things I tried when I got my iPod [01:32] (2nd being beating the ffmpeg stack with a long stick) [01:32] well this freaking sucks, spent like 10 hours on this so far.... [01:33] and then I took a picture of myself beating ffmpeg stack with a stick [01:33] I took a stack of jewel cases, labeled them "ffmpeg", and beat it violently with an Apprehender CB-01 [01:33] jdong: URL? [01:33] and don't ask why I have one. [01:33] link to the pics? ;) [01:34] long story. [01:34] ok, ok, forgive me.... I JUST discovered f-spot the other day [01:34] and am still organizing :D [01:34] when I come across it I'll be sure to post it somewhere :) [01:34] "here's jdong beating ffmpeg into shape" [01:36] well is there a how to for debianizing sources? === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-013-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch hopes that a pile of f-spot bugs aren't going to be filed soon === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] ajmitch: f-spot is broken f-spot is broken f-spot is broken.... [01:36] lol === ajmitch wonders if lp admins can remove jdong's account [01:37] ajmitch: that would probably be good for me.. this physics pset isn't finishing itself [01:37] heh [01:37] Anyone else want to take a look at the diff on #63096 and let me know if there is anything wrong with it? === Slant [n=scott@sa8169016.temp.wsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] well yea now that I check it looks like libgpod is buried pretty good [01:49] I should have checked that before I spent 10 hours trying to backport it >_< === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] Well anything that I can backport while I am in the mood? === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] :p [01:50] hmm [01:50] at least I know how to do it now I think [01:52] yeah... prevu [01:52] :) [01:52] yea I saw that. Was using pbuilder. [01:53] suit yourself :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] man I feel worthless now. I thought that I was going to be "that cool guy that backported libgpod" [01:53] sad [01:53] rofl === esaym gets up for coffee [01:54] Heya gang [01:54] I'm sorry :) [01:55] what is it with all the SEX on planet? [01:55] this is getting ridiculous. [01:55] "Could the new Ubuntu Splash get any more phallic?" [02:00] well shat [02:01] before long we'll have apt-cache search sex all over the place. [02:02] aww who got rid of libmail-audit-perl?? [02:02] Isn't there already a package called sex? [02:02] I demand it back... the "apt-cache search christ on a stick" trick no longer works. [02:03] jdong: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6790790/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-ia64.avidemux_1%3A2.3.0-0.0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [02:04] Alright! Just submitted my first patch to beryl. [02:04] shawarma: xulrunner apparently still broken on IA64. [02:04] If they're even remotely sane, it will also be my last. :-) http://bugs.beryl-project.org/ticket/1715 === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] Well, I had fun writing it. [02:06] I'm off to bed, guys. [02:06] Cheers. [02:07] Gnight shawarma === caravena [n=caravena@178-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena_ [n=caravena@178-171-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] gn8 everyone [02:29] crimsun: what was the latest modesetting branch of the i810 driver? === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] ajmitch: meaning version in Debian [1.9.91-2] or the actual URL [http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel.git;a=shortlog;h=modesetting ] ? === ajmitch was looking for something suitable for feisty, given that you have a package [02:40] since there seems to be some confusion as to which package does what [02:40] ah [02:40] Damn I hate it when I get de-motivated === ajmitch has his laptop & wants to hook it up to a 22" lcd at work [02:41] well, I asked Timo a couple days ago about merging 1.9.91-1 (at that time), and he mentioned there needing to be extra defines in -intel due to some code removal [02:41] ok [02:43] (I haven't tested 1.9.91-2, just been using the compiled deb from http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting_1.7.2.git20070210-1_i386.deb ) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] crimsun: could you sponsor http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/xgl/fix-xgl-calls.debdiff? 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[04:48] We do not know its parent window or its process ID. [04:48] We do not know when it was created, or precisely how and when it died [04:49] We do not know where on the video buffer it had made its home, or when it left for Fujitsu's monitor [04:49] we do not know its age, or its circumstances -- whether it was from the hard disk or kernel cache. [04:50] it's all of them, it's none of us, blah blah, there is faith enough for all of us. [04:50] amen. [04:51] ... [04:51] lol wow I'm nerdy.... === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sponix [n=family@c-68-51-218-143.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock whistles innocently in the corner [05:37] :-) === Fujitsu notes LaserJock's mail to the list. [05:53] I was pondering posting some similar points (ie. universe is controlled by MOTU, not Kubuntu), but decided not to fan the flames. === man-di_ [n=man-di@dyndsl-080-228-197-040.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] Fujitsu: so I did it instead? :( [05:54] \o/ I'm getting LP bugmail again! === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] LaserJock: Without access to their bugs? [05:55] LaserJock: But it was a very well written email. === Fujitsu applauds LaserJock. [05:56] too long [05:56] apparently my LP issue was a false alarm [05:56] I was just getting email when a bug was marked private, but not after [05:57] Ah. [05:57] and the test bug I tried to see if I could view private bugs had ~launchpad-beta-testers subscribed [05:57] so it was a bad one to try ;-) [05:57] Heheh. [05:58] Private bugs seem to do some strange things. [05:58] Like, I've been getting bugmail from a private bug, but can't see it. [05:58] private bugs aren't good.... [05:58] they make shampoo for that. [05:59] and I think it falls under the TMI category for this channel.... === Fujitsu drops an anvil on jdong. [05:59] LMAO [05:59] I think so. === white waves [06:00] Hey white. [06:00] hmm, ok so I wonder what "Members who add multiple accounts will be handled in the following manner. First duplicate account, the member will receive an infraction. Second duplicate account, the member will be banned." means? [06:00] somebody here from the kubuntu source wants to do me a favour? :) [06:00] s/source/task/ [06:01] white: What makes it Kubuntu-specific? [06:01] LaserJock: Isn't it pretty obvious what it means? [06:01] kicking a friend of mine who is kde developer, but waits with releasing his software :( [06:02] Fujitsu: I reckon the "kde" part in it :) [06:02] Fujitsu: well, that's from the Forum Council meeting? so people aren't allowed to have more than 1 account? [06:03] LaserJock: Looks that way. === Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] so much for the stealth accounts [06:04] Gnight gang [06:04] hi bddebian [06:04] bye bddebian [06:05] Night bddebian. === Marce_ is now known as Marce [06:12] DOes anyone remember the excuse used for Snort in Debian? [06:12] something like "Well the rules aren't GPL any more" so we have ass-old snort? [06:14] (that was what they told me last time; it's a retarded excuse, you can package snort without rules and let users download them, plus I am LOOKING at the download for gpl rules right now..) [06:15] bluefoxicy: apparently official snort rules aren't DFSG? [06:15] bluefoxicy: shall I walk over to RMS's office and ask him? :D [06:16] jdong: I dunno, that's what I was told for why snort seems abandoned; I'm thinking it's probably really just no maintainer. [06:16] http://www.snort.org/pub-bin/downloads.cgi [06:16] "The Community Rulesets contain rules submitted by members of the open source community. While these rules are available as is, the VRT performs basic tests to ensure that new rules will not break Snort. These rules are distributed under the GPL and are freely available to all open source Snort users." === jdong shrugs [06:20] debianism. [06:21] I can't find any docs on why it's dead in debian [06:22] I'd go ask them but last time I went in there the place was full of assholes and they kicked me out (hint: If you walk in, ask a simple question, and people don't bother to probe or explain but rather start laughing in all caps at you and then ban you for logging onto IRC as root, you're probably surrounded by assholes) [06:23] I think that was what... 4 or 5 years ago, probably when I first switched off mandrake === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu grumbles at doko for overwriting some import python-scipy changes in January. === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sdgreen [n=sdgreen@S0106000d88f15d27.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@153.5.60.234] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-37-215.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] EUREKA!!! THE TWO POTENTIAL EXPRESSIONS ARE EQUIVALENT === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sdgreen [n=sdgreen@S0106000d88f15d27.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === man-di_ is now known as man-di === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doko [n=doko@89.171.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] jdong: do you think backporting imagezoom from feisty would be ok for bug #88581 ? (if the user confirms the bug in edgy) [07:55] Malone bug 88581 in imagezoom "mozilla-imagezoom is not compatible with Firefox 2.0.0.x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88581 [07:57] win 21 === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-41-170.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === afflux [i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@86.76.22.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] hi === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-163.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-219.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-212.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] Why do I get this message when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? [08:58] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] you are trying to sign ( and build ) a package that has a key in the changelog that you dont have access to ( e.g. not yours ) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F722DE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] good morning [09:30] heya dholbach === Hobbsee waves [09:31] hey imbrandon [09:31] hey Hobbsee [09:31] ello Hobbsee [09:31] Hi dholbach, Hobbsee, imbrandon. [09:32] hey dholbach, imbrandon and Fujitsu === cassidy [n=cassidy@215.168-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] hrm, didnt appear to stir up too much trouble on the ML. [09:36] Hobbsee: Probably other people are hiding. [09:36] Fujitsu: quite probably [09:36] Fujitsu: dunno why though, 'im not that scary. hopefully they're thinking before they reply [09:37] i havent seen your post [09:37] i think my procmail might be eating some or something [09:37] imbrandon: lists.u.c has archives [09:38] dodgy procmail... [09:38] whats the subject ? [09:38] i'll grep [09:39] kde4 stuff [09:39] ohh yea i seen that [09:47] Hobbsee, Fujitsu , you should both REALLY listen to this google talk ( about 4 minutes in ) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 [09:47] it pertains to that thread ALOT [09:48] ( and many others ) [09:48] ( and yes you can fast forward ) === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu doesn't feel like doing that in this room, as it's got a class of about 15 other people in it. === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:49] bookmark it later then Fujitsu , you'll like it [09:50] I believe I saw that referenced elsewhere a couple of days back. [09:50] imbrandon: So where did intrepid go? [09:50] no where, should be there, /me looks === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] shit [09:51] probably asleep [09:52] i forgot to comment out lid.sh /me groans [09:52] This is what happens when you use a laptop, you goose. :-P [09:52] yea i will replace it someday [09:53] a "compact rack unit" [09:53] lemme get someone to reset it, one sec [09:54] haha [09:55] Evening all btw. [09:55] heya TheMuso [09:56] Hi TheMuso [10:00] gah found out whats wrong with intrepid, jeremy ( at work ) is fixing, should be up in moments StevenK [10:01] btw aurora and intrepid have the new faster pbuilders on them ( i havent upgraded sparky yet ) === dholbach cleaned out some UVF bugs [10:03] yay \0/ [10:03] dholbach: Yay :) [10:03] hooray === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBE41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] StevenK, tis up === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] good morning Universe [10:24] hi mainmain [10:24] er, main [10:24] 'morning gpocentek [10:25] Hi gpocentek. [10:26] hi Hobbsee, hi Fujitsu, salut Lutin ;) [10:27] wer vin ich [10:27] aarks [10:28] Er, hi man-di. [10:29] hi [10:32] Can someone enligthen me how merges with Debian are generelly done? Just upload the the package from Debian somewhere to Ubuntu? [10:33] man-di: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Merging [10:34]