[12:36] <gnomefreak> asac: did you go to bed already?
[12:45] <asac> no
[12:45] <asac> here :)
[12:45] <asac> what do you want?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> weird crash reports but i dont remember the bugs now. bug 86002 is that a master?
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86002 in firefox "firefox crash in java [@JavaPluginFactory5::CreateSecureEnv]  [@ProxyJNIEnv] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86002
[01:03] <asac> have you searched for CreateSecureEnv
[01:03] <asac> ?
[01:03] <asac> i remember something
[01:03] <asac> hmm
[01:03] <asac> i think this is worth a master for now
[01:10] <gnomefreak> ill search and if not ill mark that one as master
[01:18] <asac> k
[11:24] <asac> hi
[11:24] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ask a simple fucking question and reporter goes off
[11:26] <asac> :/
[11:26] <asac> hmm
[11:26] <asac> not nice then :)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: are you on edgy?
[11:27] <asac> j
[11:27] <asac> y
[11:27] <asac> es
[11:27] <asac> ;)
[11:27] <gnomefreak> libnss3-0d-dbg libnspr4-0d-dbg libpango1.0-0-dbg do you have these packages avilible?
[11:27] <asac> but will download feisty today
[11:27] <asac> yes?
[11:27] <asac> i think so at least
[11:27] <gnomefreak> i hope not
[11:28] <asac> what is his claim?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> I did install the -dbg package for firefox, what's next?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Oh and by the way, if you start bugging people about poor bug-reports, fix the wiki first:
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package firefox-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libnss3-0d-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libnspr4-0d-dbg
[11:28] <gnomefreak> E: Couldn't find package libpango1.0-0-dbg
[11:29] <asac> ouch
[11:29] <asac> yeah
[11:29] <asac> hmm
[11:29] <asac> they are in MOTU
[11:30] <gnomefreak> first and last ones are in main
[11:30] <asac> firefox-dbg is in main
[11:30] <asac> yes
[11:30] <asac> whats the problem?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> the middle 2 are in universe
[11:30] <asac> why do you get error on all?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> he says he doesnt have them (that the wiki is wrong) if its wrong i want to fix it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> asac: thats his errors
[11:30] <gnomefreak> not mine i have the packages
[11:31] <gnomefreak> bug 82622
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82622 in firefox "Firefox crashed [@ProcessAsyncMessages] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82622
[11:31] <gnomefreak> not sure wher eyou came up with the summary either
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ah looks like you got it from description
[11:36] <asac> tell him he should go with as much packages of those as possible
[11:36] <asac> at least firefox-dbg is pretty old
[11:36] <asac> so if he hasn't it
[11:36] <asac> dunno
[11:37] <asac> (above is about the *no* -dbg package reporter)
[11:38] <asac> any idea where i can download feisty isos?
[11:39] <asac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:39] <asac> there is only alternate cd
[11:39] <asac> hmm
[11:42] <asac> found it
[11:43] <gnomefreak> yep there is its the d-i
[11:43] <asac> bittorrent has no sources ... and cdimage.u.c is slow
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i dont think we are gonna get much more info on that bug report. so lets hope we have enough to go on
[11:45] <asac> yeah
[11:45] <asac> probably not
[11:47] <gnomefreak> that realplayer bug i got a comment on so i might try it
[12:00] <gnomefreak> im working on bug 90577 after installing realplayer in /opt but i have to say do we close this if realplayer is the cause?
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90577 in firefox "Firefox crashes during form entry" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90577
[12:01] <asac> yes
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:11] <gnomefreak> well it gives me a little bit more
[03:33] <asac> Bug 87108
[03:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87108 in firefox "firefox crashed while i had netbeans open" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87108
[03:33] <asac> :)
[03:33] <asac> i like those titles
[06:19] <hjmf> asac: I've created a new MASTER, bug #71702 and attached a couple of dups per their stacktraces. Review it when you have time.
[06:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[06:23] <asac> hjmf: look like dupes
[06:23] <asac> maybe aks them about installed extensions/plugins
[06:23] <asac> its a crash during shutdown
[06:23] <asac> which is of course wierd
[06:26] <hjmf> well, gnomefreak is already triagging bug #87749 (one of the dups) let's wait to see if he gets more info, though the reporter wasn't able to reproduce it
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87749 in firefox "Firefox Crashed  (dup-of: 71702)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87749
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71702 in firefox "MASTER Firefox Crash [@js_FinalizeStringRT] [@js_atom_uninterner] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71702
[07:19] <AlexLatchford> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=258
[07:19] <AlexLatchford> dunno if anyone has seen this
[07:41] <asac> nice
[08:21] <poningru> asac: question are we going to be building using xulrunner on feisty+1?
[08:21] <poningru> aka for 1.9 stuff
[08:22] <asac> probably
[08:32] <asac> poningru: you want to work on that?
[08:32] <poningru> sure
[08:33] <asac> poningru: how familiar are you with packaging?
[08:33] <poningru> not much
[08:33] <poningru> and thats the prob
[08:33] <poningru> but learning
[08:33] <asac> i think, yes :)
[08:33] <poningru> I just need tons of practice
[08:33] <asac> not a thing to begin with I guess
[08:33] <asac> it would give tons of practice
[08:34] <asac> but might be an impossible task
[08:34] <asac> of course not impossible
[08:34] <asac> ... without much progress for long periods ;)
[08:35] <asac> what you could do is download firefox trunk code
[08:35] <poningru> hehe already have that
[08:35] <asac> and see if there is a configure switch for --enable-system-nspr --enable-system-nss and --enable-system-xul
[08:35] <asac> or something
[08:35] <poningru> yep know the switches too
[08:36] <asac> do they exist?
[08:36] <poningru> its on wiki.mozilla.org
[08:36] <poningru> yes
[08:36] <poningru> hold on
[08:36] <asac> have a link?
[08:37] <asac> did you check out trunk?
[08:38] <poningru> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/xulrunner/config/mozconfig
[08:39] <poningru> asac: yeah I sync every once in a while
[08:39] <asac> what is that link  ... thats just the xulrunner mozconfig :)
[08:40] <asac> ok
[08:40] <asac> what you can try to do is:
[08:40] <asac> build xulrunner :)
[08:40] <asac> in one directory
[08:40] <asac> from trunk
[08:40] <asac> then
[08:41] <asac> build firefox
[08:41] <asac> in a separate dir
[08:41] <asac> but use
[08:41] <asac> --disable-xul
[08:41] <asac> as well as
[08:41] <asac> --with-libxul-sdk=/PATH/TO/LIBXUL/SDK
[08:42] <asac> maybe you have to leave out --disable-xul
[08:42] <asac> if firefox builds and can be started and has no libxul on its own
[08:42] <asac> then we can go ahead
[08:42] <asac> and think about packaging
[08:43] <asac> /PATH/TO/LIBXUL/SDK -> i think xulrunner/dist/... should be it
[08:43] <asac> just play around :)
[08:43] <asac> poningru: all clear?
[08:44] <asac> you cann add those configure switches to .mozconfig for now
[08:44] <asac> dfarning: hi
[08:44] <dfarning> asac
[08:44] <dfarning> hey how are you
[08:44] <asac> thanks :) fine.
[08:45] <asac> hope you are doing well too
[08:45] <dfarning> pretty good
[08:45] <asac> i just have a few questions about launchpad stuff
[08:45] <dfarning> sure
[08:45] <asac> actually ... is it possible to have some bzr archive associated with mozilla team
[08:45] <asac> or do we need a product for that
[08:45] <asac> 2 cases:
[08:46] <dfarning> yes it is. what do you have in mind
[08:46] <asac> 1. package maintenance
[08:46] <asac> 2. ubuntu extension project
[08:46] <dfarning> to add and maintain code?
[08:46] <asac> yes
[08:47] <asac> i want to have it hosted in launchpad
[08:47] <dfarning> git like branches;)
[08:47] <asac> yes ... but found that mainbranch can be hosted in launchpad
[08:47] <asac> don't know how
[08:48] <asac> actually i think that the extension development should be in its own project
[08:48] <asac> product
[08:48] <asac> (whats the lp difference)
[08:48] <dfarning> I was looking into something like the asac branch which is used to build packages
[08:49] <dfarning> then you can pull patches from other braches if they are good enough
[08:49] <asac> yes ... thats the idea for package maintenance
[08:49] <dfarning> products hold upstream bugs
[08:49] <asac> i think i will have to do that under the hood of core-devel-team
[08:49] <asac> yes ... but it would be something like apport
[08:49] <asac> which is a product as well
[08:50] <asac> its where upstream development happens
[08:50] <asac> as we will be upstream for that extensions
[08:50] <dfarning> what do you mean by extensions?
[08:50] <asac> like ... .xpi :)
[08:50] <asac> its about moving ubuntu specific patches
[08:50] <asac> to an extension
[08:51] <asac> since we have changes to codebase that are of no use upstream
[08:51] <dfarning> that sounds really smart
[08:51] <asac> so i want to move as much as possible out
[08:51] <dfarning> have you looked into it very much
[08:51] <asac> to reduce patchset
[08:51] <asac> yes
[08:51] <asac> i know how to do it
[08:51] <asac> but don't know how to setup the umbrella
[08:51] <dfarning> outstanding
[08:51] <asac> in launchpad
[08:51] <asac> it will be a feisty+1 thing
[08:52] <asac> but i have an initial extension for report bug ... menu entry now ... as a prototype
[08:52] <dfarning> the downsteam guy would love to be able to modify a couple of extensions to brand their firefox
[08:52] <asac> hmmm
[08:52] <asac> what you refer to is something different
[08:52] <asac> its about keeping differences to existing extensions
[08:53] <dfarning> how so?
[08:53] <asac> not?
[08:53] <asac> you mean downstream wants to develop extensions to brand firefox?
[08:53] <asac> vs. modify?
[08:53] <dfarning> they just want to be able branding easily
[08:54] <dfarning> don't really care how it get done
[08:54] <poningru> oh you mean like that
[08:54] <poningru> ok
[08:54] <poningru> asac: will work on that
[08:54] <asac> poningru: great
[08:55] <dfarning> poningru, seting up the bzr stuff too? ;)
[08:55] <poningru> oh blargh?
[08:55] <asac> :)
[08:57] <asac> dfarning: ok, will ask about it on ubuntu-devel i guess ... just thought you know how the bzr thing works in lp :)
[08:57] <dfarning> asac, poningru can you follow this you with an email to the list with some use cases
[08:58] <dfarning> asac, I have used it a few times ;)
[08:59] <dfarning> the bzr folks probobly have a better idea how to make this work for you
[08:59] <asac> poningru ment that he will work on trying how welll ffox builds on top of xulrunner for trunk :)
[08:59] <asac> yep ... i will ask there
[08:59] <poningru> hehe yeah :)
[08:59] <asac> dfarning: any ideas how we can make mozilla team more visible
[08:59] <asac> to potential new members
[08:59] <asac> e.g. team marketing?
[09:00] <dfarning> asac, are you ready for that?
[09:00] <asac> ready?
[09:00] <asac> for what?
[09:00] <dfarning> a hugh swarm of people
[09:01] <asac> i probably won't be able to teach them on packaging ... but i guess for bug triaging we already have enough know-how here in channel to get some economics of scale
[09:01] <asac> what would you do?
[09:01] <asac> at best we could find a way to attract tech people :)
[09:01] <dfarning> how ready are you for loco teams to develop customized version of firefox
[09:02] <dfarning> I can get jono to sell that to the loco team which will create a lot of visability
[09:03] <dfarning> but it would require some idea what stuff they will want to customize and how to do it
[09:04] <asac> what is loco?
[09:04] <dfarning> asac, localization teams
[09:04] <asac> customize? you have an example?
[09:04] <asac> ah
[09:05] <dfarning> they are providing custom distros in their local languages
[09:05] <dfarning> special homepages, searches ...
[09:06] <asac> ah ok
[09:06] <asac> that should be done in an extension as well i guess
[09:06] <dfarning> firefox is one of the package that the localizers are ignoring because no one could figure out how to do it correctly;)
[09:07] <asac> can you get someone here that can tell what info / infrastructure they need
[09:07] <asac> and how this relates to upstream translation effords
[09:07] <asac> e.g. locale packages
[09:07] <dfarning> We could get a lot of attention by asking what they want
[09:08] <dfarning> locale packages really only deal with strings i think
[09:09] <asac> what do they do to other packages (other than translating strings)
[09:09] <asac> ?
[09:09] <dfarning> Im not sure
[09:09] <dfarning> I will look into it
[09:09] <asac> great
[09:09] <asac> lets raise the mist that covers this topic
[09:10] <dfarning> any other assignments;)
[09:10] <asac> not atm :)
[09:11] <poningru> asac: damn
[09:11] <asac> what happened ;)
[09:11] <poningru> asac: ok so I have to talk to bsmedberg for guidance
[09:11] <poningru> cause all of this isnt documented yet
[09:12] <asac> maybe on his blog?
[09:12] <poningru> and biesi is saying if I do this I have to write a devmo article...
[09:12] <dfarning> summary 1 bzr for build and maintaining fx and extensions 2 figure out fx localizations needs 3 figure out if we can use lang packs
[09:12] <poningru> asac: naah will contact him through irc
[09:13] <poningru> asac: or do you mean for 'docs'
[09:14] <asac> i mean for docs
[09:14] <asac> posted on blog
[09:14] <poningru> eek thats a lot of bzr
[09:15] <asac> anyway
[09:15] <asac> the instructions should apply
[09:15] <asac> that i gave above
[09:15] <asac> what was the problem?
[09:15] <asac> you can just build xulrunner
[09:15] <asac> right?
[09:16] <asac> then use special configure switch (as above) so firefox uses xulrunner libxul
[09:16] <asac> instead of its own
[09:20] <poningru> well I havent started yet
[09:20] <poningru> I wanted to ask the guys before I started
[09:30] <asac> hmm ... he is pretty heavy load guy ... i would suggest to try first ... try second .. ask third :)
[09:30] <asac> but thats just me :)
[09:41] <poningru> hehe
[09:41] <poningru> asac: how come I have never seen you in moznet?
[09:41] <poningru> oh nm
[09:42] <asac> moznet? irc?
[09:43] <asac> i am in #developers
[09:45] <poningru> yeah hence the nm :p
[09:46] <poningru> come hang out with us dude
[09:46] <poningru> #hs
[09:47] <poningru> keep in mind hs is non coc all the way
[09:47] <poningru> we curse make crude jokes etc.
[09:48] <asac> what is hs?
[09:49] <poningru> horse shit
[09:49] <poningru> bunch of us hang out there
[09:49] <poningru> and goof off
[09:50] <asac> ;)
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> hey all
[09:52] <Admiral_Chicago> network has been up and down all day
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i think its crashing right now
[09:57] <Admiral_Chicago> at an alarming rate...
[09:59] <poningru> rofl
[10:32] <asac> poningru: now i am in :)
[10:32] <asac> will hardly contribute though :)
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> my network is being very fickle today