PuMpErNiCkLeIn my minds, 'further address the problem' involves nukes from orbit, but apparently not everyone has those available.12:29
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PriceChildlol PuMpErNiCkLe :)12:33
PriceChildPuMpErNiCkLe, We might find out in about 5 weeks when I test it ;)12:33
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PriceChildnalioth, the guy disabled it so I unbanned him in #ubuntu :)12:38
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ubotuIn #ubuntuforums, Vorian said: !ops-#ubuntu-us is Help! atoponce, Zelut, meatball, Vorian01:06
ubotuIn ubotu, cables said: iso is also Burning Ubuntu .iso files from Windows: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto01:09
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.01:10
PriceChild!search burn01:10
ubotuFound: burning, cdrw, burners, burn, burner, iso, burniso, k3b01:10
naliothPriceChild: never mind01:11
PriceChildaww go on please :)01:11
Vorianit should be meatballhat, not meatball (for !ops in -us)01:13
Vorianty PriceChild :)01:15
PriceChildpfft nal's such a meanie :P01:15
naliothPriceChild: be careful what you wish for01:16
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PriceChildNot the soap!!!01:18
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SportChickPriceChild: ;)01:19
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Mezthe do you speak french bot is back04:40
Madpilotin which channel?04:40
naliothyes, where?04:41
Veinor"do you speak french bot"? what's that?04:56
Mezit messages loads of people asking if they speak french05:05
Mezhowever, I have a repsonse now05:05
naliothMez: does it have a nick?05:06
nixternalmight be good if I actually laugh in the correct channel05:18
nixternalbut I guess your bot that wants to know if you speak French is kind of funny too05:18
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Mez!tor | Veinor05:46
ubotuVeinor: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.05:46
ubotuAttention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks05:47
naliothMez: how about /msg ubotu tell Veinor about tor? or just "hi Veinor /msg ubotu proxy"05:48
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nalioth..... way too much unnecessary !proxy and !tor spam in here05:48
elkbuntunalioth, why not make a #ubuntu-proxy-catcher (or similar) channel?06:10
naliothelkbuntu: i can see that happening.  +m with a descriptive /topic and chanserv /onjoin message06:10
naliothproxy and tor users don't need us to tell them06:11
naliothmost of them are on auto pilot, anyway06:11
elkbuntunalioth, that's what we ended up doing with exploit victims06:11
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nalioth!tor-gpg is <reply> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.06:43
ubotuI'll remember that, nalioth06:43
Madpilotnalioth, setting up -proxy-users now/06:44
naliothMadpilot: yes06:44
naliothtired of all the spam from our keyboard happy idlers06:45
mneptok!tor > nalioth06:46
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mneptokbrb. writing an irssi script ...  >:)06:47
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elkbuntu<[Phaedrus] > hmm... guess, this is all we get for using bypassing proxies06:49
mneptokshould set that channel +m to prevent it from becoming "#ubuntu for the lazy"06:50
naliothmneptok: first thing i did.06:51
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nalioth#ubuntu-proxy-users is set +mcntz and ubot3 is set for auto ops (as all ubuntu members are) so folks who enter can !get !factoids06:53
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ubotuIn ubotu, firecrotch said: what is love08:39
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Myrttibaby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no no, what is love... lalalalla08:45
mneptokif only i Haddaway to have a disco ball on IRC ;)08:47
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cablesWhat's with all the d-lining going on in #ubuntu?08:48
mneptokpay no attention to that man behind the curtain. the great and powerful oz has spoken. :)08:51
cablesmneptok, I'm just curious :)08:52
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Madpilotcables, it smelled like a bot - all those ppl joining at once with similar usernames08:53
cablesah ok08:53
mneptokand hostmasks08:53
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Hobbseeoh fun09:30
Hobbseethanks mneptok!09:30
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elkbuntuooh, our turkish friends were back?10:16
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naliothhow often does ubotu update his database? ubot3 hasn't gotten a factoid i entered last night in ubotu yet03:44
Seveasnalioth, immediately03:45
naliothi've got a cron job updating hourly from the db03:45
ubotuYou can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.03:45
nalioththat one is still missing03:45
Seveasthen you didn't download the latest ubuntu.db03:46
Seveasare yu using wget?03:46
ubotuYou can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.03:47
naliothlast update was 50 minutes ago, Seveas03:48
Seveasif you use wget to download, make sure you say -O ubuntu.db03:48
Seveaswget does not overwrite but will append .1 .2 .3 etc...03:48
naliothyeah, i think i got it set up correctly03:49
Seveasprobably not or you would have seen the factoid :)03:49
naliothwe'll see in 5 minutes03:50
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: March 14 2007, 14:51:15 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 5 hours 8 minutes03:51
apokryphosSeveas: info from the db with the bot is read dynamically, right?04:03
apokryphosif so, why do you need to do a %reload Ency.. to get the factoids from the new .db in04:04
Seveasapokryphos, good call04:05
Seveasyou'd probably need to do that since the filehandle will stay open04:05
ubotuYou can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.04:05
Seveaswhat was ubot3's character?04:05
ubot3You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.04:06
Seveasit does have it now though04:06
apokryphoswe did a reload now04:06
SeveasI'll add a %reopendatabase command04:06
apokryphosnice, thanks04:06
Seveasdo you have any local modifications besides the global vs per-channel calling character?04:07
apokryphosI don't think so04:07
apokryphosand wait, that %command will leave the database open, right? You wouldn't have to call it every time you replace the .db file?04:07
Seveasyou will need to call it whenever you replace the db, *because* it leaves the filehandle open04:08
apokryphosis it really any more useful than just %reload then?04:09
Seveasnot really04:10
SeveasI'll just make sure all dbs are reloaded every hour04:10
apokryphosis that by manually invoking them to or with something in the bot?04:10
Seveasbot attack in #ubuntu04:10
apokryphosall the bots are in -unregged04:14
apokryphos+J must've got most of them :P04:14
apokryphosnalioth: join to k/d line =)04:14
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wolferinecan I talk with an op pls?05:33
PriceChildHey wolferine how can i help?05:34
wolferinehey Pricechild05:34
wolferineI feel I was +k/+b from #ubuntu unnecessarily05:34
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PriceChildHey wolferine you'd best wait for Seveas :)05:36
Seveasno need to05:36
PriceChildapokryphos, broken i think05:36
Seveashe already talked to me in pm05:36
SeveasPriceChild, what's broken?05:37
naliothPriceChild: did you get the email to the irc mailing list? we made you your very own channel05:37
PriceChildnalioth, hehe I'm already in ;)05:37
PriceChildSeveas, just giving a database error :(05:37
Seveaserr.... that's NOT good05:37
wolferine<wolferine> Seveas, ill wait for someone else thanks05:37
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wolferine* You have left channel #ubuntu (requested by Seveas: "try behaving next time")05:37
PriceChildSeveas, I lastlog'd <wolferine> though to see what happenned05:37
naliothwolferine: we all can see what happened, please don't paste05:37
wolferinewhat about pm05:37
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wolferineill paste pm if necessary05:38
PriceChildwolferine, we all have the log don't worry :)05:38
Seveaspfeww, just the site being broken, not the tracker05:38
ikonia_is BT an open applicationor something you guys put togther05:38
Seveasikonia_, both05:38
ikonia_spelling - "application"05:38
ikonia_really, could I take a look at it, a project I work on may benifit from it05:39
ikonia_not the ubuntu one - at one thats available05:39
ikonia_it sounds reasonably useful05:39
PriceChildikonia_, "application or" - missed the space05:39
wolferineso, what can I do for you atm?05:39
wolferineor is this something that must wait?05:40
ikonia_my typing is terrible in general - but megaweak today05:40
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wolferineSeveas, how have I personally attacked you?05:41
wolferinePriceChild, is there anything else you need from me?05:42
PriceChildwolferine, please be patient :)05:43
ikonia_is there a page on the ubuntu project or say sourceforge etc that has detail of the BT application ?05:43
Seveashrmpf.... something odd is going on05:44
apokryphosikonia_: it's a supybot plugin; see http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl05:44
Seveasthe db file exists05:44
ikonia_thank you05:44
Seveasand is readable by www-data05:44
Seveasso why the F* do I get that error...05:44
apokryphosyou also need to make code/ accessible :P05:44
Seveasit cannot create it's cache..05:44
Seveasbantracker is back05:46
PriceChildwooo... so back to wolferine....05:47
Seveasapokryphos, it is accessible, mod_autoindex just was disabled and index.html was called indx.html05:47
Seveasit still worked with bzr though :)05:48
apokryphosyeah I know05:48
apokryphosnearly 90,000 people registered in Launchpad; wow.05:50
Seveasnearly 100.000 bugs05:50
apokryphos* 900,00005:50
Seveasgiven that an estimated 8 million people USE ubuntu, 900.000 is pretty impressive (ok, not all of them are ubuntu users but still)05:51
apokryphosfor users, that's way, way more than I thought05:51
apokryphosyeah, definitely05:52
apokryphosI'm not sure how exaggerated that figure is (ubuntu users(05:52
Seveassabdfl has access to webserver logs05:54
Seveasand since security.u.c isn't mirrored, that should give a reasonable count05:55
apokryphoshe says 6-8 million though, right? Quite a gap05:56
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ardchoilleI feel that some of the ops really need to use a little more tact in #ubuntu when dealing with people.05:57
ardchoilleI feel it isn't good to treat people like a child in the channel.05:57
ikonia_I feel the oposite05:58
ikonia_so its horses for courses05:58
ardchoilleI just got yelled at for a very minor thing.. when other people do major things and get away with it.05:58
ikonia_really what was the minor thing ?05:58
PriceChildofftopic chatter05:58
ardchoilleFrom now on, when I feel like I have been treated badly, I will put the offending op on temp ignore. PM is the place to take berating.. praise in public, reprimand in private.05:59
Seveasardchoille, other people were just lucky for being there with no active op arund05:59
ikonia_I guess you have to consider the fact that this happens every day every 20 minutes05:59
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ikonia_so its nice to have firm ops05:59
ikonia_or the channel gets ruined05:59
PriceChild/cs k ikonia_ hehe ;)05:59
ikonia_cs ?05:59
Seveasjenda, I thought *!*@freenode/staff/* in the access list meant that all freenode staffers (who can op anywhere anyway) are welocme to help out06:00
Seveasam I wrong there?06:00
wolferinemind filling my in?06:00
jendaSeveas: no, you're correct06:00
jendaSeveas: except, I don't have the staff cloak.06:00
Seveasjenda, you still can op anywhere right?06:00
PriceChildHey wolferine.... I'm sorry I don't feel comfortable dealing with this myself... you're going to have to wait for the easily distracted Seveas.06:00
jendaSeveas: err, not exactly... ;)06:00
jendaSeveas: or, not yet, at least06:01
wolferinewait, for what exactly?06:01
PriceChildjenda, has no powahs06:01
apokryphosSeveas: 1st-level don't get the privs06:01
jendaapokryphos: sshhh06:01
wolferineyou have read the channel/pm logs06:01
Seveasjenda, then get promoted ffs :p06:01
wolferinehave you now?06:01
naliothjenda has been a bad boy (not followed instructions)06:01
jendaSeveas: :-D06:01
jendanalioth is being a bad boy - I did follow the instructions ;)06:02
PriceChildwolferine, Yes I've read the channel logs. But I don't want to interfere with another ops ban.06:02
Seveasjenda, do non-first-level staffers have to wear the freenode/staff cloak?06:02
wolferinewell, who will step up to the plate?06:02
GazzaKSeveas, no, they don't "have" to wear it06:02
ikonia_I think being patient is part of the lesson06:02
jendaSeveas: I don't think they _have_ to...06:02
wolferineSeveas, was not justified in the k/b set on me in #ubuntu06:02
naliothSeveas: first-level staff usually don't wear a staff cloak06:02
wolferinewho can I talk to about dealing with this?06:03
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Seveaswolferine, to the ops in here. You were heared and nobody is doing anything about it06:03
wolferineyour speaking on all their behalf?06:03
Seveaswolferine, no, I'm just stating what I observe06:04
ikonia_can someone kick totall_6_7 in #ubuntu please06:04
ikonia_he's just saying "yes it s"06:04
wolferineSeveas, now that your speaking with me06:04
naliothwolferine: most bans last only a few hours.06:04
wolferinehow did I personally attack you?06:04
wolferinenalioth, that isnt the point really06:05
wolferineSeveas, how did I?06:05
Seveaswolferine, ...06:05
PriceChildwolferine, I think its best that you drop it for now and calm down to return in an hour or so.06:05
wolferinehe has no answer06:05
ikonia_PriceChild be quiet - this could be good06:05
wolferineim not suprised06:05
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naliothwolferine: this seems like a PM issue06:05
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wolferineit WAS a pm issue06:06
wolferinenow i have brought this abuse to you all06:06
wolferineas your "ops"06:06
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wolferineyou are*06:06
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PriceChildwolferine, and a as a team I think we would prefer you to come back in an hour.... things are too heated immediately after the incident.06:06
wolferineabuse of power, once you let one do it, doesn't stop anyone else from doing it06:07
wolferineSeveas has yet to reply to my questions06:07
ikonia_I think thats on purpose06:07
Seveaswolferine, I replied to them06:07
wolferinelack of a response == incorrect06:07
Seveasyou just keep repeating06:07
wolferineSeveas, how did I personally attack you (awaiting your response)06:08
Seveasyou just keep repeating06:08
Seveasyou just keep repeating06:08
Seveasyou just keep repeating06:08
wolferineu made the decision, now you cannot answer me?06:08
PriceChildwolferine, Arguing your point now in the fashion you are using will not help you. Please please just drop it and return in an hout or so.06:08
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wolferineSeveas, nothing to say for yourself?06:23
naliothwolferine: please drop it.06:24
wolferinewhat about you nalioth , you read the logs?06:24
Seveaswolferine, only that this behaviour does not make me want to remove that ban06:24
wolferinemuch worse?06:24
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wolferineabuse should not be tolerated06:25
wolferinethats whats worse06:25
Seveasindeed, that's why I'm not removing the ban06:25
wolferinewhich you set for what reason Seveas ?06:25
wolferineyou just chose the questions you want to answer, I see06:25
PriceChildwolferine, That message was sent in a private notice :(06:25
naliothwolferine: i have. your ban will lift in time06:25
wolferinenalioth, do you feel he was justified in banning me?06:26
naliothwolferine: i do.06:26
wolferinei personally threatened him?06:26
wolferine(since that was the reason for the ban)06:26
wolferinecan you paste where this occurred?06:27
ikonia_I'd really drop it. Your argument looks soooooooooo weak06:27
wolferineikonia, thats your opinion06:27
wolferineikonia, do you feel he was justified in placing the ban, as well?06:28
naliothwolferine: you've been banned.  your ban will lift in time.  please discuss this with seveas elsewhere, as it seems to be a personal issue06:28
ikonia_thats not my place to say06:28
wolferinereally, but you have an opinion about this all, so is it your place to voice it, do you think?06:28
wolferinewell, i dont think ill stick around06:29
ikonia_my opinion is not part of ubuntu policy. If I have a request to make I'll make one06:29
wolferinethought this channel was different06:29
wolferinebut obviously its not06:29
wolferinethanks for your "support"06:29
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wolferinehave a been offensive?06:30
Seveasikonia_, heh, you've been on IRC too long ;)06:30
ikonia_wolferine no, not offensive06:30
ikonia_a tad petulent - perhaps06:30
wolferinewell, then, my request to remove the ban is justified06:30
PriceChildwolferine, ikonia_ is not part of the ubuntu-irc team06:31
ikonia_I dont' think thats the right spelling06:31
ikonia_no - I'm not06:31
wolferinei have, in this entire conversation, the pms, and my chat in #ubuntu, not been offensive06:31
PriceChildikonia_, spelling is correct :)06:31
ikonia_hence why my opinion is not important06:31
wolferinenot offensive == ban doesnt need to be there06:31
wolferinei guess thats a bit too obvious06:32
Seveasthat's not true at all06:32
wolferinejust too bad some ppl cannot "see" that06:32
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wolferineSeveas, when did I personally attack you?06:32
wolferineas you stated in your pm06:32
Seveashmm, that tape seems stuck06:32
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Seveasnalioth, I think she is sleeping06:33
wolferine<wolferine> Seveas, ill wait for someone else thanks <-- how is that offensive?06:33
naliothwolferine: you were leaving . . .06:33
ikonia_ha ha ha ha06:33
wolferineSeveas, how is it offensive?06:34
ikonia_I thought this channel was different, guess its not etc etc etc..........06:34
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ikonia_surly you don't want to hang around06:34
Seveasikonia_, don't forget the "Do you think it was justified?"06:34
ikonia_I did say "etc etc"06:35
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ikonia_standard issue comments etc06:35
wolferineswell, ill just post this all on the webboards I guess06:35
naliothwolferines: please stop this.06:35
ikonia_what an interesting opinion, I can see people not understanding or agreeing on their ban06:35
wolferinesso others will get the "support" they need06:35
ikonia_but the argument is weak06:35
naliothwolferines: do as you please06:36
Seveasikonia_, standard issue troll06:36
wolferinesabuse of power06:36
PriceChildwolferines, That's threatening us now.06:36
wolferinesthats not week06:36
ikonia_Seveas yes, I did think that earlier06:36
naliothand ban evading a non existent ban, too :D06:36
wolferinesSeveas: all, you have to do, is explain your actions06:36
wolferinesby answering one question06:36
Seveasnalioth, in #ubuntu he was evading06:36
wolferinesand I wouldnt have had to go on and on and on06:36
naliothSeveas: you didn't notice the nick change in here?06:37
wolferinesbut you didnt reply06:37
Seveaswolferines, fix your irc client. It seems to be repeating the same question over and over, despite answers06:37
ikonia_either that or he didn't care06:37
naliothwolferines: go post to your boards06:37
Seveasnalioth, he has 2 clients06:37
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Seveasone cloaked, one not06:37
wolferinesSeveas: i have two cloaked hosts06:37
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wolferineswhich is a requirement of the network06:37
ikonia_oooooh dear06:38
Seveasbbl, dinner time06:38
wolferineswalk away06:38
ikonia_wolferines please go elsewhere06:38
ikonia_personal request06:38
wolferinesnot until he answers06:39
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ikonia_well that solves that06:39
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naliothsome peoples kids . . .06:39
ikonia_nalioth I think that was the key there - "kids"06:40
Seveasnalioth, he's now going to all the channels I'm in06:42
naliothwe can fix that06:43
ikonia_Seveas I can't see him in any of the others06:43
ikonia_ahhh yes I can06:43
ikonia_just get a staffer to ban him from the network06:43
ikonia_that will wipe the smile off his face06:43
Seveashe hit a bug in chanserv.py :)06:44
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naliothikonia_: you've got several staff members in this channel06:50
ikonia_sorry nalioth wasn't aware of that06:50
ikonia_so I see06:50
ikonia_just wanted to do it officially so it was logged, as its just poinltess letting people like that on the network06:50
naliothikonia_: it was officially noticed  :)06:53
PriceChildSeveas, we might as well undo the bans on wolferine right? Its only taking up space in the lists now?06:53
ikonia_thank you06:53
apokryphosPriceChild: k-lines are generally 24 hours06:53
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ikonia_apokryphos to be fair - that not long enough, he just shouldn't be part of the community (freenode in general)06:54
naliothikonia_: understood.06:55
naliothikonia_: perhaps (i know, i'm reaching here) his vacation will give him time to think06:55
ikonia_everyone has flaws, and I agree with the "vaction" but you just wonder - why bother06:55
Seveasikonia_, but people deserve a second chance06:56
ikonia_I didn't mean to imply that06:56
PriceChildapokryphos, ah I didn't know that06:56
ikonia_but there is a difference between not understanding the problem/disagreeing with it and just being obtuse06:56
PriceChildYou learn something new every day :)06:57
effie_jayxhehe... Kline a vacation :D06:57
mc44I need a vacation07:02
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mc44nalioth: damn i missed that07:03
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PriceChildARGH ffs07:41
PriceChildSeveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38447207:41
naliothPriceChild: nothing you can't handle  :P07:42
naliothPriceChild: why are you posting URLs i can't access?07:43
PriceChildI've just jailed it so you won't be able to see it anymore sorry....07:43
PriceChildwolferine posted a log of the chat with seveas07:43
PriceChildcomplaining about irc being rubbish07:43
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SeveasPriceChild, ah, that explains why I can't see it :)07:43
PriceChildone second...07:43
PriceChildok link works again07:44
PriceChildI'll jail it as soon as you've looked :)07:44
SeveasI'm more surprised by the person suggesting to go to the CC07:45
apokryphosa lot of people don't have much of a clue about the CC07:45
PriceChildHe's just got my msn addy and is threatening that he'll keep reposting it....07:45
apokryphos"he kicked me" "no he did it first!" "ok, let's go to the cc"07:45
apokryphosPriceChild: ban him ;)07:45
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naliothPriceChild: do you want to go on record there about his 'network spamming' and 'stalking' behaviour?07:46
PriceChildhehe "want" isn't the word, but I'll go on record about the spamming in many channels and stalking me onto forums and msn07:47
naliothand it seems he's repeating the same behaviour on the forums?07:47
PriceChildthank god he boasted about it to me on msn so I caught it almost immediately :)07:48
apokryphosTo be honest I don't think he should have originally been banned, seeing that log. Needless to say his behaviour after is completely unjustifiable07:49
apokryphosThis was until I found one person: Severas.07:49
PriceChildapokryphos, we don't know what went on in PM though... and that's why I don't want to comment on anything previous.07:49
apokryphosthat was a PM?07:50
apokryphoslooks line in-channel; ubotu response etc07:50
PriceChildapokryphos, there was something in pm with Sev07:50
apokryphosbefore the ban?07:50
nalioththat was a "partial" channel log07:51
naliothand i'm sure it was a "partial" PM log07:51
PriceChildapokryphos, I haven't a clue... and that's why I'm not gonna say anything based on the earlier events :)07:52
apokryphosanyhow, I'm out for tonight; see ya'll07:52
GazzaKI'm really glad in a way that I am not a Op, means I can watch and not let this stuff get to me personally07:53
SeveasGazzaK, you should be glad07:54
Seveassome go as far as making phonecalls07:54
PriceChildIts rewarding occasionally :)07:55
GazzaKit still winds me up though, you folks are here to basically help "users" get help, and these "people" do more damage than I think they realise...07:55
SeveasPriceChild, *very* occasionaly07:55
mc44GazzaK: we are all really glad you're not an op too07:55
GazzaKSeveas, not sucking up or anything, but you do know that a lot of us are glad there are people like you, nali oth Price Child etc etc07:56
GazzaKmc44, shh :p07:56
PriceChildwhoa I'm on the same level as Sev & nal :P07:56
mc44GazzaK: stop sucking up07:56
PriceChildGazzaK, sure you don't wanna re-word that? ;)07:57
GazzaKerm, no07:57
PriceChildbah this guy's being boring and hasn't re-posted or re-registered :(07:58
SeveasPriceChild, heh07:58
GazzaKI sit here and see stuff which if it were my job to sort out, might very well end up annoying me so much I'd maybe be tempted to walk away.07:58
PriceChildGazzaK, I'd say that's the best decision if its going to annoy you :)07:59
mc44GazzaK: you know they dont appreciate your compliments. Seveas feeds on anger :)07:59
GazzaKdunno really, vice versa we get some right funny trolls in #gaygeeks and they amuse me07:59
GazzaKI love a good troll, we get good trolls on barryboys.co.uk too, normally on a friday, after school kicking out time, they are funny too, but sadly the decent trolls are few and far between08:00
PriceChildGazzaK, its the borderlines that aren't fun08:01
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PriceChildSeveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2298060#post229806008:03
naliothPriceChild: should i post on that thread ? <EG>08:05
SeveasPriceChild, ah, he's working his way to a forum ban :)08:05
PriceChildHehe :)08:06
PriceChildnalioth, nah, even I dare to post in the RC08:06
PriceChildI just messaged u-g an explanation of what's been going on :)08:06
PriceChildPlus a request that "find all users posts" doesn't miss out the RC - grrr :P08:06
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PriceChildwooo RC threads get indexed now :D08:19
PriceChildWoo i think he's given up on msn'ing me08:36
Seveashow about forums?08:36
PriceChildNo duplicate accounts, no reposts... and I think he's given up on arguing in the RC08:37
naliothPriceChild: why can't i post on that thread?08:37
PriceChildfor the time being... :)08:37
PriceChildnalioth, The Resolution Centre rules:08:37
PriceChild3. The administration staff and the thread starter will converse, other forum members posts/comments will be removed/edited out.08:37
naliothwell, being on the Ubuntu IRC council (and a freenode staffer) i think i have something to add.08:38
PriceChildIf I were you I'd pm ubuntu-geek asking for permission first... but I don't think ubuntu-geek wants to give the guy any time... he's on our side.08:38
PriceChildThen again... I'm not you.... your choice :)08:39
PriceChildI doubt he'll mind you adding your point... but it seems a waste of time. He doesn't really warrant lots of attention really?08:41
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PriceChildHey... why's there someone opped in -offtopic ?09:05
naliothdon't know09:06
naliothbut they're not any more09:06
PriceChildhow rare :)09:06
GazzaKhehe, did someone leave him op'ed?09:11
PriceChildGazzaK, what was it from?09:12
GazzaKno idea, past my chat history!09:12
GazzaKI scrolled up and did nto see when he was opppped09:13
GazzaKoops, alcohol-typo, sorry09:13
PriceChild3 beers and you're out GazzaK ;)09:13
GazzaKerm, one so far, hic09:13
GazzaKI don't drink (much)09:13
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Seveasthere is a +J09:26
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PriceChild/cs info doesn't show it... and xchat doesnt' show it either...?09:29
Seveas--- Channel #ubuntu modes: +tncLfJ #ubuntu-unregged 3,409:29
SeveasPriceChild, try /mode #ubuntu09:29
Seveaschat gets confused sometimes09:29
PriceChildAhhh now xchat shows it :)09:29
PriceChildThankies :)09:29
ikoniaguys, just a quick note to say "thanks" for the !goodbotuse factiod - so many more people are using it now and it makes the channel %101 better09:43
ubotugoodbotuse is please do "!factoid > user" see here: for more details:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse09:46
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Seveasapokryphos, nalioth: bzr trunk of ubotu now has per-channel prefixchar and reconnects to the database hourly09:50
naliothSeveas: ya lost me09:52
Seveasnalioth, I fixed what you fixed locally to make ubotu not respond in here and I fixed the problem where new factoids don't show up09:53
Seveasand it's all on bots.ubutnulinux.nl/code09:54
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PriceChildjgw, did you say ubuntu or ubotu sorry?10:09
PriceChildsorry misread... I think the only place for that is a "bug" on launchpad10:10
jgwthere are a bunch of entries in fortune which are racist and generally just seem way un-ubuntu10:10
jgweg. mexican jokes, black jokes, etc10:10
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PriceChildgah... launchpad is offline10:11
Seveasjgw, that's only with the -o flag and you need some non-standard packages that include them10:11
jgwone of our hispanic students had the following fortune crop up:10:11
jgwQ:      Why is it that Mexico isn't sending anyone to the '84 summer games?10:11
jgwA:      Anyone in Mexico who can run, swim or jump is already in LA.10:11
ikoniaI don't find that racist10:12
Seveasit is10:12
mc44well it is10:12
naliothikonia: it is.10:12
ikoniafair enough10:12
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Seveasbut you have to install factoids labeled as offensive and use a special flag to fortune to see them10:12
jgwikonia: in America, it is highly offensive to people of mexican heritage10:12
Seveasso I don't consider it a bug10:12
ikoniafair enough10:13
jgwwe didnt install anything special, we installed the default ubuntu load10:13
jgwBeware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.10:13
ikoniaI've just done a while loop and grepped for mexican - still nothing from fotrune10:13
jgwi'm not one for political correctness, but what purpose do these serve? and if you answer "entertainment", i ask "to what people?"10:14
ikoniawhere do you draw the line though - thats not for me to say10:14
ikoniathere is a line about a salemen lying - is that offensive to all salesman ?10:14
LjLyeah, i can't find the mexican one either10:15
PriceChildAnyway jgw, this isn't really the correct channel, I just misread before I directed you here. I think the correct course of action would be to file a buy on launchpad.net under the fortun package.10:15
LjLthe black man one is there, though10:15
ikoniamy while look is going - still no mexican grep returns10:15
jgwLjL: i'm not lying, this is a default ubuntu install10:15
Seveasikonia, /usr/share/games/fortunes/riddles10:15
Seveaswhich is from fortunes-min10:16
LjLyou're right, it's in riddles10:16
Seveaswhich is in the default install10:16
Seveasnow that IS a bug10:16
ikoniaahhhh yes10:16
ikoniawell spotted10:16
ikoniaeasier than a while loop10:16
jgwthe mexican joke is in riddles10:16
Seveasjgw, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fortune-mod/+filebug10:16
ikoniaQ:      What's tan and black and looks great on a lawyer?10:17
ikoniaA:      A doberman.10:17
ikoniais that offensive to lawyers ?10:17
ikoniastereotyping etc10:17
LjLyeah, but that's a good thing.10:17
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ikoniaha ha ha10:17
ikoniaI can't see any about black men10:18
LjLanyway, if you find that offensive, so sue me. hm, no, wait...10:18
Seveas/sue LjL10:18
ikoniaexcellent pun10:18
jgwfortunes:Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.10:18
jgwfortunes.u8:Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.10:18
LjLcat /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes | grep black10:18
mc44I think ubuntu base install should abide by the CoC in anycase10:18
mc44and that includes being respectful to lawyers10:19
Seveasdo lawyers fall under 'people' then?10:19
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Seveasjenda definitely isn't people though10:22
jendawell, certainly not, but I tend to fall under them quite often...10:22
LjLok, we need Ubuntu Offensive Edition, it's decided10:24
mc44with its own fusplash10:24
LjLwhy is there anything *else* than usplash that the various editions change? :P10:25
jendaLjL: I think mneptok should take care of that...10:25
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Seveasjenda, mneptok as gdm background...10:27
Seveasthat should scare10:27
jgwi'm all for Ubuntu Offensive Edition, it just shouldnt be installed be default10:27
jgwespecially when ubuntu seems to be pushing itself into education10:28
Seveasjgw, I agree - did you file that bug already?10:28
jgwSeveas: almost done10:28
jgwsite is slow10:29
PriceChildjgw, yeah they're just doing something to the beta side of it.... :P10:29
jgwbug 9235310:30
UbugtuMalone bug 92353 in fortune-mod "fortune in the default Ubuntu install contains racist terms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9235310:30
ubot3Malone bug 92353 in fortune-mod "fortune in the default Ubuntu install contains racist terms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9235310:30
LjLas well as ubot3 bug :P10:30
Seveasnalioth, can you please disable ubot3s bugsnarfer in here?10:33
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Seveasubot3 can stay :)10:38
naliothidk how to turn off the bugthing10:41
Seveas~config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer false10:48
Seveas(assuming ~ is commandchar)10:48
Seveasto do for any channel from another channel:10:49
Seveas~config channel #somechan plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer false10:49
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naliothso what about bug 110:53
UbugtuMalone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110:53
LjLwhy does it always show it as a bug in ichthux anyway?10:54
tsmithei is the first in the alphabet of the two?10:55
mc44because launchpad is silly10:55
Seveasichtux has it on higher priority10:57
mc44what, God mode? :p10:58
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SeveasLjL, just lost your dinner?10:58
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Seveas~config channel plugins.encyclopedia.prefixchar10:59
LjLwell, no, mouarf it just a french exclamation of laughter :P10:59
ubot3Seveas: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)11:00
Seveas^config channel plugins.encyclopedia.prefixchar11:00
ubot3Seveas: ~11:00
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:00
ubot3I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:00
LjLperhaps !^W~bot :P11:00
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots11:01
naliothstupid bot stayed connected11:01
Seveasit was disconnected as well11:01
Seveas<-- ubot3 has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))11:02
Seveas<Seveas> ichtux has it on higher priority11:02
Seveas<-- nalioth has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))11:02
LjL!test | ~test11:02
ubotu~test: Failed.11:02
ubot3Factoid test: failed. not found11:02
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LjLi'm tempted to try something akin to !test | ~test | !test | ~test | !test | ~test | !test | ~test11:05
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ubotuIn #ubuntu-bugs, bdmurray said: !importance is You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance11:11
LjL!importance-#ubuntu-bugs is <reply> You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance11:13
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL11:13
ubotuSeveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, Hobbsee, nalioth11:17
Seveasdoes either of you know bdmurray?11:17
Seveas(or does anyone else know him?)11:17
naliothdon't know him11:17
naliothor her11:18
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Seveasthose who can add %editors11:19
PriceChildahh ty :)11:19
naliothPriceChild: don't you have moderators on the forum?11:19
LjLwell it's a bit different i suppose...11:19
PriceChildnalioth, but we don't get to add editors :P11:19
PriceChildnow go away :P11:19
Seveasdon't you dare scare nalioth11:21
Seveashe has K-line powah11:21
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naliothSeveas: does PriceChild have a picture of mneptok or something?11:23
Seveas@lart 37 PriceChild11:23
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Seveasnow he has11:23
PriceChildwatch out PuMpErNiCkLe ;)11:24
naliothany ops of #ubuntu-it in here?11:24
Seveasmneptok is the new goatse/tubgirl11:24
naliothLjL: are you active?11:25
LjLnalioth: i'm not an op11:25
PriceChildSeveas, does that mean a ban on sight?11:25
naliothLjL: you point out the clones, and i'll whack 'em11:25
LjLjust joined out of curiosity, i don't usually even join11:25
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mc44LjL isnt really in Italy, its a hoax11:25
emethow do I get an ubuntu cloak?11:25
PriceChild!member | emet11:25
ubotuemet: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember11:25
LjLand mc44 isn't a londoner, he's a polyphonic synthesizer11:25
Seveasemet, only ubuntu members can get those11:25
naliothLjL: there's been a real clone problem in #ubuntu-it-chat over the last few minutes11:26
naliothLjL: clone or zombie11:26
emetwell I run the FAU Linux User Group @ http://linux.fau.edu11:27
Seveasthat doesn't make you ubuntu member :)11:28
emetI guess I will try harder / do more ubuntu related things!11:28
Seveasthat's always a good idea! :)11:29
naliothnasty zombies11:29
LjLnalioth, are the clones partying on -it-unregged or something akin now?11:30
naliothLjL: none of the channels is +r11:30
Myrtti/me is a bit tipsy and it's way too late to be awake11:30
LjLah right nm, it's +R that's set11:30
LjLnalioth: hm, they're quite hard to spot. some of them actually clone, but others don't. i can see that a couple of the folks who quit now had 2 actual clones... but 2 at most11:32
PriceChildOh btw... wrt !proxy.... the ircatwork.com cloak takes preference over a cloak... so people can't get cloaked by a staffer then join #ubuntu :(11:32
naliothLjL: those were all clones/zombies11:32
naliothPriceChild: ANY unaffiliated cloak is overridden by a gateway/* cloak11:33
LjLnalioth: i have no doubt... but before seeing them quit all together, i could hardly know11:33
naliothLjL: i didn't, either, but i did when they quit en masse  :D11:33
PriceChildnalioth, so what's the point in having it in !proxy that they could get cloaked instead? :(11:33
naliothPriceChild: because the cloaks are overridden by the gateway/* masks11:34
Seveasproject cloaks are not overridden11:34
LjLidents and realnames also make sense, so they're even harder to spot. were they spamming anyway?11:34
naliothPriceChild: it is designed so that unaf cloaks cannot be used to spoof your tor or cgi usage11:34
naliothLjL: yes11:34
PriceChildnalioth, So the only thing we should suggest to people in -proxy-users is to connect using a real irc connection?/11:35
naliothPriceChild: that is the best option11:35
PriceChildOk thanks :)11:35
naliothPriceChild: other options are listed in the /topic11:35
LjLwell... signed tor works in #ubuntu, doesn't it?11:35
naliothLjL: yes, gpg-tor is welcomed in #ubuntu (and is mentioned in the topic)11:36
PriceChildOk sorted11:36
PriceChildjenda, ^11:36
emetcan I register my LUG with Ubuntu?11:58
emetwhat is a "soca"12:03
Seveasemet, souther california?12:20
Seveasalthough that's usually socal :)12:20
emetno the Ubuntu specific groups12:20
Seveasno idea12:21
Seveaswhere did you read about it?12:21

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