[12:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In my minds, 'further address the problem' involves nukes from orbit, but apparently not everyone has those available.
[12:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/minds/mind/
[12:33] <PriceChild> lol PuMpErNiCkLe :)
[12:33] <PriceChild> PuMpErNiCkLe, We might find out in about 5 weeks when I test it ;)
[12:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ^___^
[12:38] <PriceChild> nalioth, the guy disabled it so I unbanned him in #ubuntu :)
[12:39] <nalioth> :)
[01:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums, Vorian said: !ops-#ubuntu-us is Help! atoponce, Zelut, meatball, Vorian
[01:09] <ubotu> In ubotu, cables said: iso is also Burning Ubuntu .iso files from Windows: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[01:10] <PriceChild> !iso
[01:10] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[01:10] <PriceChild> !search burn
[01:10] <ubotu> Found: burning, cdrw, burners, burn, burner, iso, burniso, k3b
[01:11] <nalioth> PriceChild: never mind
[01:11] <PriceChild> aww go on please :)
[01:12] <Vorian> oops!
[01:13] <Vorian> it should be meatballhat, not meatball (for !ops in -us)
[01:14] <PriceChild> done
[01:15] <Vorian> ty PriceChild :)
[01:15] <PriceChild> pfft nal's such a meanie :P
[01:16] <nalioth> PriceChild: be careful what you wish for
[01:18] <PriceChild> Not the soap!!!
[01:19] <SportChick> PriceChild: ;)
[01:19] <SportChick> awwww
[01:20] <SportChick> ;)
[04:40] <Mez> hmm
[04:40] <Mez> the do you speak french bot is back
[04:40] <Madpilot> in which channel?
[04:41] <nalioth> yes, where?
[04:56] <Veinor> "do you speak french bot"? what's that?
[05:05] <Mez> it messages loads of people asking if they speak french
[05:05] <Mez> however, I have a repsonse now
[05:06] <nalioth> Mez: does it have a nick?
[05:06] <Mez> Leners...
[05:18] <nixternal> haha
[05:18] <nixternal> might be good if I actually laugh in the correct channel
[05:18] <nixternal> but I guess your bot that wants to know if you speak French is kind of funny too
[05:46] <Mez> !tor | Veinor
[05:46] <ubotu> Veinor: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[05:47] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[05:48] <nalioth> Mez: how about /msg ubotu tell Veinor about tor? or just "hi Veinor /msg ubotu proxy"
[05:48] <nalioth> ..... way too much unnecessary !proxy and !tor spam in here
[06:10] <elkbuntu> nalioth, why not make a #ubuntu-proxy-catcher (or similar) channel?
[06:10] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i can see that happening.  +m with a descriptive /topic and chanserv /onjoin message
[06:11] <elkbuntu> yep
[06:11] <nalioth> proxy and tor users don't need us to tell them
[06:11] <nalioth> most of them are on auto pilot, anyway
[06:11] <elkbuntu> nalioth, that's what we ended up doing with exploit victims
[06:43] <nalioth> !tor-gpg is <reply> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[06:43] <ubotu> I'll remember that, nalioth
[06:44] <Madpilot> nalioth, setting up -proxy-users now/
[06:44] <Madpilot> ?
[06:44] <nalioth> Madpilot: yes
[06:45] <nalioth> tired of all the spam from our keyboard happy idlers
[06:46] <Madpilot> heh
[06:46] <mneptok> !tor > nalioth
[06:46] <elkbuntu> rofl
[06:47] <mneptok> brb. writing an irssi script ...  >:)
[06:48] <elkbuntu> bwahahahah!
[06:49] <elkbuntu> * [Phaedrus]  (i=cbc7d542@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b5b4d75bfd322f31) has joined #ubuntu-proxy-users
[06:49] <elkbuntu> <[Phaedrus] > hmm... guess, this is all we get for using bypassing proxies
[06:50] <mneptok> should set that channel +m to prevent it from becoming "#ubuntu for the lazy"
[06:51] <nalioth> mneptok: first thing i did.
[06:53] <nalioth> #ubuntu-proxy-users is set +mcntz and ubot3 is set for auto ops (as all ubuntu members are) so folks who enter can !get !factoids
[08:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, firecrotch said: what is love
[08:45] <Myrtti> baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no no, what is love... lalalalla
[08:47] <mneptok> if only i Haddaway to have a disco ball on IRC ;)
[08:48] <cables> What's with all the d-lining going on in #ubuntu?
[08:51] <mneptok> pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. the great and powerful oz has spoken. :)
[08:52] <cables> mneptok, I'm just curious :)
[08:53] <Madpilot> cables, it smelled like a bot - all those ppl joining at once with similar usernames
[08:53] <cables> ah ok
[08:53] <mneptok> and hostmasks
[08:53] <mneptok> 88.22*
[09:30] <Hobbsee> oh fun
[09:30] <Hobbsee> thanks mneptok!
[10:16] <elkbuntu> ooh, our turkish friends were back?
[10:30] <GazzaK> turks?
[03:44] <nalioth> how often does ubotu update his database? ubot3 hasn't gotten a factoid i entered last night in ubotu yet
[03:45] <Seveas> nalioth, immediately
[03:45] <nalioth> i've got a cron job updating hourly from the db
[03:45] <nalioth> !tor-gpg
[03:45] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[03:45] <nalioth> that one is still missing
[03:46] <Seveas> then you didn't download the latest ubuntu.db
[03:46] <Seveas> are yu using wget?
[03:47] <Seveas> !tor-gpg
[03:47] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[03:48] <nalioth> last update was 50 minutes ago, Seveas
[03:48] <Seveas> if you use wget to download, make sure you say -O ubuntu.db
[03:48] <Seveas> wget does not overwrite but will append .1 .2 .3 etc...
[03:49] <nalioth> yeah, i think i got it set up correctly
[03:49] <Seveas> probably not or you would have seen the factoid :)
[03:50] <nalioth> we'll see in 5 minutes
[03:51] <Seveas> @now
[03:51] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: March 14 2007, 14:51:15 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 5 hours 8 minutes
[04:03] <apokryphos> Seveas: info from the db with the bot is read dynamically, right?
[04:04] <apokryphos> if so, why do you need to do a %reload Ency.. to get the factoids from the new .db in
[04:05] <Seveas> apokryphos, good call
[04:05] <Seveas> you'd probably need to do that since the filehandle will stay open
[04:05] <Seveas> !tor-gpg
[04:05] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[04:05] <Seveas> what was ubot3's character?
[04:05] <Seveas> ^tor-gpg
[04:06] <Seveas> ~tor-gpg
[04:06] <ubot3> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[04:06] <Seveas> it does have it now though
[04:06] <apokryphos> we did a reload now
[04:06] <Seveas> ah
[04:06] <Seveas> I'll add a %reopendatabase command
[04:06] <apokryphos> nice, thanks
[04:07] <Seveas> do you have any local modifications besides the global vs per-channel calling character?
[04:07] <apokryphos> I don't think so
[04:07] <apokryphos> and wait, that %command will leave the database open, right? You wouldn't have to call it every time you replace the .db file?
[04:08] <Seveas> you will need to call it whenever you replace the db, *because* it leaves the filehandle open
[04:09] <apokryphos> is it really any more useful than just %reload then?
[04:10] <Seveas> not really
[04:10] <Seveas> I'll just make sure all dbs are reloaded every hour
[04:10] <apokryphos> is that by manually invoking them to or with something in the bot?
[04:10] <Seveas> bot attack in #ubuntu
[04:14] <apokryphos> all the bots are in -unregged
[04:14] <apokryphos> +J must've got most of them :P
[04:14] <Seveas> hehe
[04:14] <apokryphos> nalioth: join to k/d line =)
[05:33] <wolferine> can I talk with an op pls?
[05:34] <PriceChild> Hey wolferine how can i help?
[05:34] <wolferine> hey Pricechild
[05:34] <Tm_T> Mooh.
[05:34] <wolferine> I feel I was +k/+b from #ubuntu unnecessarily
[05:36] <wolferine> Price?
[05:36] <PriceChild> Hey wolferine you'd best wait for Seveas :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> @btlogin
[05:36] <Seveas> no need to
[05:36] <PriceChild> apokryphos, broken i think
[05:36] <Seveas> he already talked to me in pm
[05:37] <Seveas> PriceChild, what's broken?
[05:37] <nalioth> PriceChild: did you get the email to the irc mailing list? we made you your very own channel
[05:37] <apokryphos> bantracker
[05:37] <PriceChild> nalioth, hehe I'm already in ;)
[05:37] <PriceChild> Seveas, just giving a database error :(
[05:37] <Seveas> err.... that's NOT good
 Seveas, ill wait for someone else thanks
[05:37] <wolferine> * Mordicu1 (n=ivan@APuteaux-154-1-8-235.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ubuntu
[05:37] <wolferine> * You have left channel #ubuntu (requested by Seveas: "try behaving next time")
[05:37] <PriceChild> Seveas, I lastlog'd <wolferine> though to see what happenned
[05:37] <nalioth> wolferine: we all can see what happened, please don't paste
[05:37] <wolferine> what about pm
[05:38] <wolferine> ill paste pm if necessary
[05:38] <PriceChild> wolferine, we all have the log don't worry :)
[05:38] <wolferine> hmmm
[05:38] <Seveas> pfeww, just the site being broken, not the tracker
[05:38] <ikonia_> is BT an open applicationor something you guys put togther
[05:38] <Seveas> ikonia_, both
[05:38] <ikonia_> spelling - "application"
[05:39] <ikonia_> really, could I take a look at it, a project I work on may benifit from it
[05:39] <ikonia_> not the ubuntu one - at one thats available
[05:39] <ikonia_> it sounds reasonably useful
[05:39] <PriceChild> ikonia_, "application or" - missed the space
[05:39] <wolferine> so, what can I do for you atm?
[05:40] <wolferine> or is this something that must wait?
[05:40] <ikonia_> my typing is terrible in general - but megaweak today
[05:41] <wolferine> Seveas, how have I personally attacked you?
[05:42] <wolferine> PriceChild, is there anything else you need from me?
[05:43] <PriceChild> wolferine, please be patient :)
[05:43] <ikonia_> is there a page on the ubuntu project or say sourceforge etc that has detail of the BT application ?
[05:44] <Seveas> hrmpf.... something odd is going on
[05:44] <apokryphos> ikonia_: it's a supybot plugin; see http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:44] <Seveas> the db file exists
[05:44] <ikonia_> thank you
[05:44] <Seveas> and is readable by www-data
[05:44] <Seveas> so why the F* do I get that error...
[05:44] <Seveas> RIGHT
[05:44] <apokryphos> you also need to make code/ accessible :P
[05:44] <Seveas> it cannot create it's cache..
[05:46] <Seveas> bantracker is back
[05:47] <PriceChild> wooo... so back to wolferine....
[05:47] <Seveas> apokryphos, it is accessible, mod_autoindex just was disabled and index.html was called indx.html
[05:48] <Seveas> it still worked with bzr though :)
[05:48] <apokryphos> heh
[05:48] <apokryphos> yeah I know
[05:50] <apokryphos> nearly 90,000 people registered in Launchpad; wow.
[05:50] <Seveas> nearly 100.000 bugs
[05:50] <Seveas> :)
[05:50] <apokryphos> * 900,000
[05:51] <Seveas> given that an estimated 8 million people USE ubuntu, 900.000 is pretty impressive (ok, not all of them are ubuntu users but still)
[05:51] <apokryphos> for users, that's way, way more than I thought
[05:52] <apokryphos> yeah, definitely
[05:52] <apokryphos> I'm not sure how exaggerated that figure is (ubuntu users(
[05:54] <Seveas> sabdfl has access to webserver logs
[05:55] <Seveas> and since security.u.c isn't mirrored, that should give a reasonable count
[05:56] <apokryphos> he says 6-8 million though, right? Quite a gap
[05:57] <ardchoille> I feel that some of the ops really need to use a little more tact in #ubuntu when dealing with people.
[05:57] <ardchoille> I feel it isn't good to treat people like a child in the channel.
[05:58] <ikonia_> I feel the oposite
[05:58] <ikonia_> so its horses for courses
[05:58] <ardchoille> I just got yelled at for a very minor thing.. when other people do major things and get away with it.
[05:58] <ikonia_> really what was the minor thing ?
[05:58] <PriceChild> offtopic chatter
[05:59] <ardchoille> From now on, when I feel like I have been treated badly, I will put the offending op on temp ignore. PM is the place to take berating.. praise in public, reprimand in private.
[05:59] <Seveas> ardchoille, other people were just lucky for being there with no active op arund
[05:59] <ikonia_> I guess you have to consider the fact that this happens every day every 20 minutes
[05:59] <ikonia_> so its nice to have firm ops
[05:59] <ikonia_> or the channel gets ruined
[05:59] <PriceChild> /cs k ikonia_ hehe ;)
[05:59] <ikonia_> cs ?
[05:59] <wolferine> Price?
[06:00] <Seveas> jenda, I thought *!*@freenode/staff/* in the access list meant that all freenode staffers (who can op anywhere anyway) are welocme to help out
[06:00] <Seveas> am I wrong there?
[06:00] <wolferine> mind filling my in?
[06:00] <wolferine> me*
[06:00] <jenda> Seveas: no, you're correct
[06:00] <jenda> Seveas: except, I don't have the staff cloak.
[06:00] <Seveas> jenda, you still can op anywhere right?
[06:00] <PriceChild> Hey wolferine.... I'm sorry I don't feel comfortable dealing with this myself... you're going to have to wait for the easily distracted Seveas.
[06:00] <jenda> Seveas: err, not exactly... ;)
[06:01] <jenda> Seveas: or, not yet, at least
[06:01] <Seveas> ahhhhh
[06:01] <wolferine> wait, for what exactly?
[06:01] <PriceChild> jenda, has no powahs
[06:01] <apokryphos> Seveas: 1st-level don't get the privs
[06:01] <jenda> apokryphos: sshhh
[06:01] <wolferine> you have read the channel/pm logs
[06:01] <Seveas> jenda, then get promoted ffs :p
[06:01] <wolferine> have you now?
[06:01] <nalioth> jenda has been a bad boy (not followed instructions)
[06:01] <jenda> Seveas: :-D
[06:01] <wolferine> not*
[06:02] <jenda> nalioth is being a bad boy - I did follow the instructions ;)
[06:02] <PriceChild> wolferine, Yes I've read the channel logs. But I don't want to interfere with another ops ban.
[06:02] <Seveas> jenda, do non-first-level staffers have to wear the freenode/staff cloak?
[06:02] <wolferine> well, who will step up to the plate?
[06:02] <GazzaK> Seveas, no, they don't "have" to wear it
[06:02] <ikonia_> I think being patient is part of the lesson
[06:02] <jenda> Seveas: I don't think they _have_ to...
[06:02] <wolferine> Seveas, was not justified in the k/b set on me in #ubuntu
[06:02] <nalioth> Seveas: first-level staff usually don't wear a staff cloak
[06:03] <wolferine> who can I talk to about dealing with this?
[06:03] <Seveas> wolferine, to the ops in here. You were heared and nobody is doing anything about it
[06:03] <wolferine> your speaking on all their behalf?
[06:04] <Seveas> wolferine, no, I'm just stating what I observe
[06:04] <ikonia_> can someone kick totall_6_7 in #ubuntu please
[06:04] <ikonia_> he's just saying "yes it s"
[06:04] <wolferine> Seveas, now that your speaking with me
[06:04] <nalioth> wolferine: most bans last only a few hours.
[06:04] <wolferine> how did I personally attack you?
[06:05] <wolferine> nalioth, that isnt the point really
[06:05] <wolferine> Seveas, how did I?
[06:05] <Seveas> wolferine, ...
[06:05] <PriceChild> wolferine, I think its best that you drop it for now and calm down to return in an hour or so.
[06:05] <wolferine> he has no answer
[06:05] <ikonia_> PriceChild be quiet - this could be good
[06:05] <wolferine> im not suprised
[06:05] <ikonia_> ;)
[06:05] <nalioth> wolferine: this seems like a PM issue
[06:06] <wolferine> it WAS a pm issue
[06:06] <wolferine> now i have brought this abuse to you all
[06:06] <wolferine> as your "ops"
[06:06] <wolferine> you are*
[06:06] <PriceChild> wolferine, and a as a team I think we would prefer you to come back in an hour.... things are too heated immediately after the incident.
[06:07] <wolferine> abuse of power, once you let one do it, doesn't stop anyone else from doing it
[06:07] <wolferine> Seveas has yet to reply to my questions
[06:07] <ikonia_> I think thats on purpose
[06:07] <Seveas> wolferine, I replied to them
[06:07] <wolferine> lack of a response == incorrect
[06:07] <Seveas> you just keep repeating
[06:08] <wolferine> Seveas, how did I personally attack you (awaiting your response)
[06:08] <Seveas> you just keep repeating
[06:08] <Seveas> you just keep repeating
[06:08] <Seveas> you just keep repeating
[06:08] <Seveas> etc...
[06:08] <wolferine> immature
[06:08] <wolferine> u made the decision, now you cannot answer me?
[06:08] <wolferine> well?
[06:08] <PriceChild> wolferine, Arguing your point now in the fashion you are using will not help you. Please please just drop it and return in an hout or so.
[06:23] <wolferine> Seveas, nothing to say for yourself?
[06:24] <nalioth> wolferine: please drop it.
[06:24] <wolferine> what about you nalioth , you read the logs?
[06:24] <Seveas> wolferine, only that this behaviour does not make me want to remove that ban
[06:24] <wolferine> much worse?
[06:25] <wolferine> abuse should not be tolerated
[06:25] <wolferine> thats whats worse
[06:25] <Seveas> indeed, that's why I'm not removing the ban
[06:25] <wolferine> which you set for what reason Seveas ?
[06:25] <wolferine> you just chose the questions you want to answer, I see
[06:25] <PriceChild> wolferine, That message was sent in a private notice :(
[06:25] <nalioth> wolferine: i have. your ban will lift in time
[06:26] <wolferine> nalioth, do you feel he was justified in banning me?
[06:26] <nalioth> wolferine: i do.
[06:26] <wolferine> i personally threatened him?
[06:26] <wolferine> (since that was the reason for the ban)
[06:27] <wolferine> can you paste where this occurred?
[06:27] <ikonia_> I'd really drop it. Your argument looks soooooooooo weak
[06:27] <wolferine> ikonia, thats your opinion
[06:27] <ikonia_> yup
[06:28] <wolferine> ikonia, do you feel he was justified in placing the ban, as well?
[06:28] <nalioth> wolferine: you've been banned.  your ban will lift in time.  please discuss this with seveas elsewhere, as it seems to be a personal issue
[06:28] <ikonia_> thats not my place to say
[06:28] <wolferine> really, but you have an opinion about this all, so is it your place to voice it, do you think?
[06:29] <ikonia_> no
[06:29] <wolferine> hmmm
[06:29] <wolferine> well, i dont think ill stick around
[06:29] <ikonia_> my opinion is not part of ubuntu policy. If I have a request to make I'll make one
[06:29] <wolferine> thought this channel was different
[06:29] <wolferine> but obviously its not
[06:29] <wolferine> thanks for your "support"
[06:29] <ikonia_> bye
[06:30] <wolferine> have a been offensive?
[06:30] <Seveas> ikonia_, heh, you've been on IRC too long ;)
[06:30] <ikonia_> ;)
[06:30] <ikonia_> wolferine no, not offensive
[06:30] <ikonia_> a tad petulent - perhaps
[06:30] <wolferine> well, then, my request to remove the ban is justified
[06:31] <PriceChild> wolferine, ikonia_ is not part of the ubuntu-irc team
[06:31] <ikonia_> I dont' think thats the right spelling
[06:31] <ikonia_> no - I'm not
[06:31] <wolferine> i have, in this entire conversation, the pms, and my chat in #ubuntu, not been offensive
[06:31] <PriceChild> ikonia_, spelling is correct :)
[06:31] <ikonia_> hence why my opinion is not important
[06:31] <wolferine> not offensive == ban doesnt need to be there
[06:32] <wolferine> i guess thats a bit too obvious
[06:32] <Seveas> that's not true at all
[06:32] <wolferine> just too bad some ppl cannot "see" that
[06:32] <wolferine> Seveas, when did I personally attack you?
[06:32] <wolferine> as you stated in your pm
[06:32] <Seveas> hmm, that tape seems stuck
[06:33] <wolferine> well?
[06:33] <Seveas> nalioth, I think she is sleeping
 Seveas, ill wait for someone else thanks <-- how is that offensive?
[06:33] <nalioth> wolferine: you were leaving . . .
[06:33] <ikonia_> ha ha ha ha
[06:34] <wolferine> Seveas, how is it offensive?
[06:34] <ikonia_> I thought this channel was different, guess its not etc etc etc..........
[06:34] <ikonia_> surly you don't want to hang around
[06:34] <Seveas> ikonia_, don't forget the "Do you think it was justified?"
[06:35] <ikonia_> I did say "etc etc"
[06:35] <Seveas> true
[06:35] <ikonia_> standard issue comments etc
[06:35] <wolferines> well, ill just post this all on the webboards I guess
[06:35] <nalioth> wolferines: please stop this.
[06:35] <ikonia_> what an interesting opinion, I can see people not understanding or agreeing on their ban
[06:35] <wolferines> so others will get the "support" they need
[06:35] <ikonia_> but the argument is weak
[06:36] <wolferines> weak?
[06:36] <nalioth> wolferines: do as you please
[06:36] <Seveas> ikonia_, standard issue troll
[06:36] <wolferines> abuse of power
[06:36] <PriceChild> wolferines, That's threatening us now.
[06:36] <wolferines> thats not week
[06:36] <ikonia_> Seveas yes, I did think that earlier
[06:36] <nalioth> and ban evading a non existent ban, too :D
[06:36] <wolferines> Seveas: all, you have to do, is explain your actions
[06:36] <wolferines> by answering one question
[06:36] <Seveas> nalioth, in #ubuntu he was evading
[06:36] <wolferines> and I wouldnt have had to go on and on and on
[06:37] <nalioth> Seveas: you didn't notice the nick change in here?
[06:37] <wolferines> but you didnt reply
[06:37] <Seveas> wolferines, fix your irc client. It seems to be repeating the same question over and over, despite answers
[06:37] <ikonia_> either that or he didn't care
[06:37] <nalioth> wolferines: go post to your boards
[06:37] <Seveas> nalioth, he has 2 clients
[06:37] <Seveas> one cloaked, one not
[06:37] <wolferines> Seveas: i have two cloaked hosts
[06:37] <wolferines> which is a requirement of the network
[06:38] <ikonia_> oooooh dear
[06:38] <Seveas> bbl, dinner time
[06:38] <wolferines> yeah
[06:38] <wolferines> walk away
[06:38] <ikonia_> wolferines please go elsewhere
[06:38] <ikonia_> personal request
[06:38] <wolferines> hmmm
[06:39] <wolferines> not until he answers
[06:39] <ikonia_> well that solves that
[06:39] <nalioth> some peoples kids . . .
[06:40] <ikonia_> nalioth I think that was the key there - "kids"
[06:42] <Seveas> nalioth, he's now going to all the channels I'm in
[06:43] <nalioth> we can fix that
[06:43] <ikonia_> Seveas I can't see him in any of the others
[06:43] <ikonia_> ahhh yes I can
[06:43] <ikonia_> just get a staffer to ban him from the network
[06:43] <ikonia_> that will wipe the smile off his face
[06:44] <Seveas> darn
[06:44] <Seveas> he hit a bug in chanserv.py :)
[06:47] <PriceChild> K-lined...
[06:50] <nalioth> ikonia_: you've got several staff members in this channel
[06:50] <ikonia_> sorry nalioth wasn't aware of that
[06:50] <ikonia_> so I see
[06:50] <ikonia_> just wanted to do it officially so it was logged, as its just poinltess letting people like that on the network
[06:53] <nalioth> ikonia_: it was officially noticed  :)
[06:53] <PriceChild> Seveas, we might as well undo the bans on wolferine right? Its only taking up space in the lists now?
[06:53] <ikonia_> thank you
[06:53] <apokryphos> PriceChild: k-lines are generally 24 hours
[06:54] <Seveas> brb
[06:54] <ikonia_> apokryphos to be fair - that not long enough, he just shouldn't be part of the community (freenode in general)
[06:55] <nalioth> ikonia_: understood.
[06:55] <nalioth> ikonia_: perhaps (i know, i'm reaching here) his vacation will give him time to think
[06:55] <ikonia_> everyone has flaws, and I agree with the "vaction" but you just wonder - why bother
[06:56] <Seveas> ikonia_, but people deserve a second chance
[06:56] <ikonia_> totally
[06:56] <ikonia_> I didn't mean to imply that
[06:56] <PriceChild> apokryphos, ah I didn't know that
[06:56] <ikonia_> but there is a difference between not understanding the problem/disagreeing with it and just being obtuse
[06:57] <PriceChild> You learn something new every day :)
[06:57] <effie_jayx> hehe... Kline a vacation :D
[06:57] <Seveas> vaKation
[06:58] <PriceChild> lol
[07:02] <mc44> I need a vacation
[07:03] <mc44> nalioth: damn i missed that
[07:41] <PriceChild> ARGH ffs
[07:41] <PriceChild> Seveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384472
[07:42] <nalioth> PriceChild: nothing you can't handle  :P
[07:43] <nalioth> PriceChild: why are you posting URLs i can't access?
[07:43] <PriceChild> I've just jailed it so you won't be able to see it anymore sorry....
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[07:43] <PriceChild> wolferine posted a log of the chat with seveas
[07:43] <nalioth> link?
[07:43] <PriceChild> complaining about irc being rubbish
[07:43] <apokryphos> hah
[07:43] <Seveas> PriceChild, ah, that explains why I can't see it :)
[07:43] <PriceChild> one second...
[07:44] <PriceChild> ok link works again
[07:44] <PriceChild> I'll jail it as soon as you've looked :)
[07:44] <Seveas> looked
[07:45] <Seveas> I'm more surprised by the person suggesting to go to the CC
[07:45] <apokryphos> a lot of people don't have much of a clue about the CC
[07:45] <PriceChild> He's just got my msn addy and is threatening that he'll keep reposting it....
[07:45] <apokryphos> "he kicked me" "no he did it first!" "ok, let's go to the cc"
[07:45] <apokryphos> PriceChild: ban him ;)
[07:46] <nalioth> PriceChild: do you want to go on record there about his 'network spamming' and 'stalking' behaviour?
[07:47] <PriceChild> hehe "want" isn't the word, but I'll go on record about the spamming in many channels and stalking me onto forums and msn
[07:47] <nalioth> and it seems he's repeating the same behaviour on the forums?
[07:48] <PriceChild> Yeah
[07:48] <PriceChild> thank god he boasted about it to me on msn so I caught it almost immediately :)
[07:49] <apokryphos> To be honest I don't think he should have originally been banned, seeing that log. Needless to say his behaviour after is completely unjustifiable
[07:49] <apokryphos> This was until I found one person: Severas.
[07:49] <apokryphos> :P
[07:49] <PriceChild> apokryphos, we don't know what went on in PM though... and that's why I don't want to comment on anything previous.
[07:50] <apokryphos> that was a PM?
[07:50] <apokryphos> looks line in-channel; ubotu response etc
[07:50] <PriceChild> apokryphos, there was something in pm with Sev
[07:50] <apokryphos> before the ban?
[07:51] <nalioth> that was a "partial" channel log
[07:51] <nalioth> and i'm sure it was a "partial" PM log
[07:52] <PriceChild> apokryphos, I haven't a clue... and that's why I'm not gonna say anything based on the earlier events :)
[07:52] <apokryphos> anyhow, I'm out for tonight; see ya'll
[07:53] <GazzaK> I'm really glad in a way that I am not a Op, means I can watch and not let this stuff get to me personally
[07:54] <Seveas> GazzaK, you should be glad
[07:54] <Seveas> some go as far as making phonecalls
[07:55] <PriceChild> Its rewarding occasionally :)
[07:55] <GazzaK> it still winds me up though, you folks are here to basically help "users" get help, and these "people" do more damage than I think they realise...
[07:55] <Seveas> PriceChild, *very* occasionaly
[07:55] <mc44> GazzaK: we are all really glad you're not an op too
[07:56] <GazzaK> Seveas, not sucking up or anything, but you do know that a lot of us are glad there are people like you, nali oth Price Child etc etc
[07:56] <GazzaK> mc44, shh :p
[07:56] <PriceChild> whoa I'm on the same level as Sev & nal :P
[07:56] <mc44> GazzaK: stop sucking up
[07:57] <PriceChild> GazzaK, sure you don't wanna re-word that? ;)
[07:57] <GazzaK> erm, no
[07:58] <PriceChild> bah this guy's being boring and hasn't re-posted or re-registered :(
[07:58] <Seveas> PriceChild, heh
[07:58] <GazzaK> I sit here and see stuff which if it were my job to sort out, might very well end up annoying me so much I'd maybe be tempted to walk away.
[07:59] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I'd say that's the best decision if its going to annoy you :)
[07:59] <mc44> GazzaK: you know they dont appreciate your compliments. Seveas feeds on anger :)
[07:59] <GazzaK> dunno really, vice versa we get some right funny trolls in #gaygeeks and they amuse me
[07:59] <PriceChild> lol
[08:00] <GazzaK> I love a good troll, we get good trolls on barryboys.co.uk too, normally on a friday, after school kicking out time, they are funny too, but sadly the decent trolls are few and far between
[08:01] <PriceChild> GazzaK, its the borderlines that aren't fun
[08:03] <PriceChild> Seveas, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2298060#post2298060
[08:05] <nalioth> PriceChild: should i post on that thread ? <EG>
[08:05] <Seveas> PriceChild, ah, he's working his way to a forum ban :)
[08:06] <PriceChild> Hehe :)
[08:06] <PriceChild> nalioth, nah, even I dare to post in the RC
[08:06] <PriceChild> I just messaged u-g an explanation of what's been going on :)
[08:06] <PriceChild> Plus a request that "find all users posts" doesn't miss out the RC - grrr :P
[08:19] <PriceChild> wooo RC threads get indexed now :D
[08:36] <PriceChild> Woo i think he's given up on msn'ing me
[08:36] <Seveas> how about forums?
[08:37] <PriceChild> No duplicate accounts, no reposts... and I think he's given up on arguing in the RC
[08:37] <nalioth> PriceChild: why can't i post on that thread?
[08:37] <PriceChild> for the time being... :)
[08:37] <PriceChild> nalioth, The Resolution Centre rules:
[08:37] <PriceChild> 3. The administration staff and the thread starter will converse, other forum members posts/comments will be removed/edited out.
[08:38] <nalioth> well, being on the Ubuntu IRC council (and a freenode staffer) i think i have something to add.
[08:38] <PriceChild> If I were you I'd pm ubuntu-geek asking for permission first... but I don't think ubuntu-geek wants to give the guy any time... he's on our side.
[08:39] <PriceChild> Then again... I'm not you.... your choice :)
[08:41] <PriceChild> I doubt he'll mind you adding your point... but it seems a waste of time. He doesn't really warrant lots of attention really?
[08:41] <nalioth> yup
[09:05] <PriceChild> Hey... why's there someone opped in -offtopic ?
[09:06] <nalioth> don't know
[09:06] <nalioth> but they're not any more
[09:06] <PriceChild> how rare :)
[09:11] <GazzaK> hehe, did someone leave him op'ed?
[09:12] <PriceChild> GazzaK, what was it from?
[09:12] <GazzaK> no idea, past my chat history!
[09:13] <GazzaK> I scrolled up and did nto see when he was opppped
[09:13] <GazzaK> oops, alcohol-typo, sorry
[09:13] <PriceChild> 3 beers and you're out GazzaK ;)
[09:13] <GazzaK> erm, one so far, hic
[09:13] <GazzaK> I don't drink (much)
[09:26] <Seveas> there is a +J
[09:29] <PriceChild> /cs info doesn't show it... and xchat doesnt' show it either...?
[09:29] <Seveas> --- Channel #ubuntu modes: +tncLfJ #ubuntu-unregged 3,4
[09:29] <Seveas> PriceChild, try /mode #ubuntu
[09:29] <Seveas> chat gets confused sometimes
[09:29] <PriceChild> Ahhh now xchat shows it :)
[09:29] <PriceChild> Thankies :)
[09:43] <ikonia> guys, just a quick note to say "thanks" for the !goodbotuse factiod - so many more people are using it now and it makes the channel %101 better
[09:46] <Seveas> !goodbotuse
[09:46] <ubotu> goodbotuse is please do "!factoid > user" see here: for more details:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse
[09:50] <Seveas> apokryphos, nalioth: bzr trunk of ubotu now has per-channel prefixchar and reconnects to the database hourly
[09:52] <nalioth> Seveas: ya lost me
[09:53] <Seveas> nalioth, I fixed what you fixed locally to make ubotu not respond in here and I fixed the problem where new factoids don't show up
[09:54] <Seveas> and it's all on bots.ubutnulinux.nl/code
[09:54] <nalioth> ok
[10:09] <PriceChild> jgw, did you say ubuntu or ubotu sorry?
[10:10] <jgw> ubuntu
[10:10] <PriceChild> ah...
[10:10] <PriceChild> sorry misread... I think the only place for that is a "bug" on launchpad
[10:10] <jgw> there are a bunch of entries in fortune which are racist and generally just seem way un-ubuntu
[10:10] <jgw> eg. mexican jokes, black jokes, etc
[10:11] <PriceChild> gah... launchpad is offline
[10:11] <Seveas> jgw, that's only with the -o flag and you need some non-standard packages that include them
[10:11] <jgw> one of our hispanic students had the following fortune crop up:
[10:11] <jgw> Q:      Why is it that Mexico isn't sending anyone to the '84 summer games?
[10:11] <jgw> A:      Anyone in Mexico who can run, swim or jump is already in LA.
[10:12] <ikonia> I don't find that racist
[10:12] <ikonia> personally
[10:12] <Seveas> it is
[10:12] <mc44> well it is
[10:12] <nalioth> ikonia: it is.
[10:12] <ikonia> fair enough
[10:12] <Seveas> but you have to install factoids labeled as offensive and use a special flag to fortune to see them
[10:12] <jgw> ikonia: in America, it is highly offensive to people of mexican heritage
[10:12] <Seveas> so I don't consider it a bug
[10:13] <ikonia> fair enough
[10:13] <jgw> we didnt install anything special, we installed the default ubuntu load
[10:13] <jgw> Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.
[10:13] <ikonia> I've just done a while loop and grepped for mexican - still nothing from fotrune
[10:14] <jgw> i'm not one for political correctness, but what purpose do these serve? and if you answer "entertainment", i ask "to what people?"
[10:14] <ikonia> where do you draw the line though - thats not for me to say
[10:14] <ikonia> there is a line about a salemen lying - is that offensive to all salesman ?
[10:15] <LjL> yeah, i can't find the mexican one either
[10:15] <PriceChild> Anyway jgw, this isn't really the correct channel, I just misread before I directed you here. I think the correct course of action would be to file a buy on launchpad.net under the fortun package.
[10:15] <LjL> the black man one is there, though
[10:15] <ikonia> my while look is going - still no mexican grep returns
[10:15] <ikonia> s/look/loop
[10:15] <PriceChild> s/buy/bug/
[10:15] <jgw> LjL: i'm not lying, this is a default ubuntu install
[10:15] <jgw> 6.10
[10:15] <Seveas> ikonia, /usr/share/games/fortunes/riddles
[10:16] <Seveas> which is from fortunes-min
[10:16] <LjL> you're right, it's in riddles
[10:16] <Seveas> which is in the default install
[10:16] <Seveas> now that IS a bug
[10:16] <ikonia> ahhhh yes
[10:16] <ikonia> well spotted
[10:16] <ikonia> easier than a while loop
[10:16] <jgw> the mexican joke is in riddles
[10:16] <Seveas> jgw, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fortune-mod/+filebug
[10:17] <ikonia> Q:      What's tan and black and looks great on a lawyer?
[10:17] <ikonia> A:      A doberman.
[10:17] <ikonia> is that offensive to lawyers ?
[10:17] <ikonia> stereotyping etc
[10:17] <LjL> yeah, but that's a good thing.
[10:17] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[10:18] <ikonia> I can't see any about black men
[10:18] <LjL> anyway, if you find that offensive, so sue me. hm, no, wait...
[10:18] <Seveas> /sue LjL
[10:18] <ikonia> touch'e
[10:18] <ikonia> excellent pun
[10:18] <jgw> fortunes:Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.
[10:18] <jgw> fortunes.u8:Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.
[10:18] <LjL> cat /usr/share/games/fortunes/fortunes | grep black
[10:18] <mc44> I think ubuntu base install should abide by the CoC in anycase
[10:19] <mc44> and that includes being respectful to lawyers
[10:19] <Seveas> do lawyers fall under 'people' then?
[10:19] <mc44> just
[10:20] <Seveas> hehe
[10:21] <jenda> heheh
[10:21] <jenda> :)
[10:22] <Seveas> jenda definitely isn't people though
[10:22] <jenda> well, certainly not, but I tend to fall under them quite often...
[10:24] <LjL> ok, we need Ubuntu Offensive Edition, it's decided
[10:24] <mc44> with its own fusplash
[10:25] <LjL> why is there anything *else* than usplash that the various editions change? :P
[10:25] <jenda> LjL: I think mneptok should take care of that...
[10:27] <Seveas> jenda, mneptok as gdm background...
[10:27] <Seveas> that should scare
[10:27] <jenda> hehe
[10:27] <jgw> i'm all for Ubuntu Offensive Edition, it just shouldnt be installed be default
[10:28] <jgw> especially when ubuntu seems to be pushing itself into education
[10:28] <Seveas> jgw, I agree - did you file that bug already?
[10:28] <jgw> Seveas: almost done
[10:28] <Seveas> great
[10:29] <jgw> site is slow
[10:29] <PriceChild> jgw, yeah they're just doing something to the beta side of it.... :P
[10:30] <jgw> bug 92353
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92353 in fortune-mod "fortune in the default Ubuntu install contains racist terms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92353
[10:30] <ubot3> Malone bug 92353 in fortune-mod "fortune in the default Ubuntu install contains racist terms" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92353
[10:30] <LjL> as well as ubot3 bug :P
[10:33] <Seveas> heh
[10:33] <Seveas> nalioth, can you please disable ubot3s bugsnarfer in here?
[10:35] <nalioth> sure
[10:37] <Seveas> heh
[10:38] <Seveas> ubot3 can stay :)
[10:41] <nalioth> idk how to turn off the bugthing
[10:48] <Seveas> ~config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer false
[10:48] <Seveas> (assuming ~ is commandchar)
[10:49] <Seveas> to do for any channel from another channel:
[10:49] <Seveas> ~config channel #somechan plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer false
[10:53] <nalioth> so what about bug 1
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:54] <LjL> why does it always show it as a bug in ichthux anyway?
[10:55] <tsmithe> i is the first in the alphabet of the two?
[10:55] <mc44> because launchpad is silly
[10:57] <Seveas> ichtux has it on higher priority
[10:58] <mc44> what, God mode? :p
[10:58] <LjL> mouarf
[10:58] <Seveas> LjL, just lost your dinner?
[10:59] <Seveas> ^moo
[10:59] <Seveas> ~config channel plugins.encyclopedia.prefixchar
[10:59] <LjL> well, no, mouarf it just a french exclamation of laughter :P
[10:59] <Seveas> heh
[11:00] <ubot3> Seveas: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:00] <Seveas> ^config channel plugins.encyclopedia.prefixchar
[11:00] <ubot3> Seveas: ~
[11:00] <Seveas> ah
[11:00] <LjL> !~bot
[11:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:00] <Seveas> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~bot
[11:00] <ubot3> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:00] <LjL> perhaps !^W~bot :P
[11:01] <nalioth> ~ping
[11:01] <ubot3> pong
[11:01] <Seveas> !bot
[11:01] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:01] <nalioth> stupid bot stayed connected
[11:01] <Seveas> no
[11:01] <Seveas> it was disconnected as well
[11:02] <Seveas> <-- ubot3 has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))
 ichtux has it on higher priority
[11:02] <Seveas> <-- nalioth has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[11:02] <LjL> !test | ~test
[11:02] <ubotu> ~test: Failed.
[11:02] <ubot3> Factoid test: failed. not found
[11:05] <LjL> i'm tempted to try something akin to !test | ~test | !test | ~test | !test | ~test | !test | ~test
[11:11] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bugs, bdmurray said: !importance is You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[11:13] <LjL> !importance-#ubuntu-bugs is <reply> You can learn about setting bug importance at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[11:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[11:17] <Seveas> %moderators
[11:17] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, Hobbsee, nalioth
[11:17] <Seveas> does either of you know bdmurray?
[11:17] <Seveas> (or does anyone else know him?)
[11:17] <nalioth> don't know him
[11:18] <nalioth> or her
[11:19] <Seveas> those who can add %editors
[11:19] <PriceChild> ahh ty :)
[11:19] <nalioth> PriceChild: don't you have moderators on the forum?
[11:19] <LjL> well it's a bit different i suppose...
[11:19] <PriceChild> nalioth, but we don't get to add editors :P
[11:19] <PriceChild> now go away :P
[11:21] <Seveas> tss
[11:21] <Seveas> don't you dare scare nalioth
[11:21] <Seveas> he has K-line powah
[11:23] <nalioth> Seveas: does PriceChild have a picture of mneptok or something?
[11:23] <Seveas> @lart 37 PriceChild
[11:23] <Seveas> now he has
[11:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 0.0
[11:24] <PriceChild> watch out PuMpErNiCkLe ;)
[11:24] <nalioth> any ops of #ubuntu-it in here?
[11:24] <Seveas> mneptok is the new goatse/tubgirl
[11:25] <LjL> +R?
[11:25] <nalioth> LjL: are you active?
[11:25] <LjL> nalioth: i'm not an op
[11:25] <PriceChild> Seveas, does that mean a ban on sight?
[11:25] <nalioth> LjL: you point out the clones, and i'll whack 'em
[11:25] <LjL> just joined out of curiosity, i don't usually even join
[11:25] <emet> hey
[11:25] <mc44> LjL isnt really in Italy, its a hoax
[11:25] <emet> how do I get an ubuntu cloak?
[11:25] <PriceChild> !member | emet
[11:25] <ubotu> emet: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[11:25] <LjL> and mc44 isn't a londoner, he's a polyphonic synthesizer
[11:25] <Seveas> emet, only ubuntu members can get those
[11:26] <nalioth> LjL: there's been a real clone problem in #ubuntu-it-chat over the last few minutes
[11:26] <nalioth> LjL: clone or zombie
[11:27] <emet> well I run the FAU Linux User Group @ http://linux.fau.edu
[11:28] <Seveas> that doesn't make you ubuntu member :)
[11:28] <emet> :(\
[11:28] <emet> I guess I will try harder / do more ubuntu related things!
[11:29] <Seveas> that's always a good idea! :)
[11:29] <nalioth> nasty zombies
[11:30] <LjL> nalioth, are the clones partying on -it-unregged or something akin now?
[11:30] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[11:30] <nalioth> LjL: none of the channels is +r
[11:30] <Myrtti> /me is a bit tipsy and it's way too late to be awake
[11:30] <LjL> ah right nm, it's +R that's set
[11:32] <LjL> nalioth: hm, they're quite hard to spot. some of them actually clone, but others don't. i can see that a couple of the folks who quit now had 2 actual clones... but 2 at most
[11:32] <PriceChild> Oh btw... wrt !proxy.... the ircatwork.com cloak takes preference over a cloak... so people can't get cloaked by a staffer then join #ubuntu :(
[11:32] <nalioth> LjL: those were all clones/zombies
[11:33] <nalioth> PriceChild: ANY unaffiliated cloak is overridden by a gateway/* cloak
[11:33] <LjL> nalioth: i have no doubt... but before seeing them quit all together, i could hardly know
[11:33] <nalioth> LjL: i didn't, either, but i did when they quit en masse  :D
[11:33] <PriceChild> nalioth, so what's the point in having it in !proxy that they could get cloaked instead? :(
[11:34] <nalioth> PriceChild: because the cloaks are overridden by the gateway/* masks
[11:34] <Seveas> project cloaks are not overridden
[11:34] <LjL> idents and realnames also make sense, so they're even harder to spot. were they spamming anyway?
[11:34] <nalioth> PriceChild: it is designed so that unaf cloaks cannot be used to spoof your tor or cgi usage
[11:34] <nalioth> LjL: yes
[11:35] <PriceChild> nalioth, So the only thing we should suggest to people in -proxy-users is to connect using a real irc connection?/
[11:35] <nalioth> PriceChild: that is the best option
[11:35] <PriceChild> Ok thanks :)
[11:35] <nalioth> PriceChild: other options are listed in the /topic
[11:35] <LjL> well... signed tor works in #ubuntu, doesn't it?
[11:36] <nalioth> LjL: yes, gpg-tor is welcomed in #ubuntu (and is mentioned in the topic)
[11:36] <PriceChild> Ok sorted
[11:36] <PriceChild> jenda, ^
[11:58] <emet> can I register my LUG with Ubuntu?
[12:00] <Tm_T> ?
[12:03] <emet> what is a "soca"
[12:20] <Seveas> emet, souther california?
[12:20] <Seveas> although that's usually socal :)
[12:20] <emet> lol
[12:20] <emet> no the Ubuntu specific groups
[12:21] <Seveas> no idea
[12:21] <Seveas> where did you read about it?
[12:22] <emet> LoCo