[06:54] <aedes> what is considered development discussion?
[08:24] <kakkoi> how do i install LAMP on ubuntu 6.10 desktop edition?
[08:24] <kakkoi> thank you in advance
[07:35] <AMSmith42> It seems that becuase Ubuntu Server specifies apt-gets from port 80, my SonicWALL thinks it is trying to access a proxy and disconnects it.
[07:35] <AMSmith42> Kind of a hassle.
[07:58] <mralphabet> oO
[07:58] <AMSmith42> hehehe
[07:58] <mralphabet> I think that's a poor logic design on the sonicwall heh
[07:58] <AMSmith42> Perhaps, but it is there, non-the-less.
[07:59] <mralphabet> I mean, it's port 80 traffic . . . the firewall either needs to pass it or use the built in / network proxy server which should get the file anyway
[07:59] <mralphabet> still, interesting
[07:59] <AMSmith42> I can switch the proxy-filter on and off, but I don't want to leave it off because I use it for a reason.
[07:59] <mralphabet> sure
[08:01] <AMSmith42> I use Ubuntu desktops and apt-get doesn't have any trouble.
[08:01] <AMSmith42> It is only when Ubuntu server specifies x.x.x.x 80 that I get disconnected.
[08:02] <AMSmith42> Well, the apt-get in server, anyway.
[08:02] <mralphabet> oh, that's interesting
[08:02] <AMSmith42> I had other words for it until I figured out what was going on.
[08:02] <AMSmith42> :P
[08:03] <mralphabet> because it specifies the port it may make a difference
[08:03] <AMSmith42> Right.
[08:03] <AMSmith42> It triggers the SonicWALL's filter.
[08:03] <mralphabet> as opposed to it just being normal traffic
[08:03] <mralphabet> right
[08:03] <mralphabet> that's certainly an odd one to track down
[08:04] <AMSmith42> Yes, I couldn't think of where I could change that either.
[08:04] <mralphabet> nor can i
[08:28] <Linuturk> I'm thinking of upgrading my Dapper server to Edgy. I am currently running a LAMP install, and a cacti install. what are the caveates of dist upgrading a server?
[08:28] <Linuturk> i know this isn't a support channel, but Ubuntu is waaay to busy for a server question. 
[08:29] <AMSmith42> I'm pretty lost too, or I'd help you out.
[08:29] <Linuturk> what is your issue AMSmith42? maybe I can help
[08:31] <AMSmith42> I was just discussing earlier how Ubuntu server sometimes specifies port 80 when it does an apt-get (that is, some packages come from x.x.x.x 80) and that triggers my SonicWALL's proxy filter so I get disconnected after 90% installation.
[08:31] <AMSmith42> I can turn the proxy filter off, but that isn't ideal.
[08:31] <Linuturk> isn't there a way to make an exception on your proxy
[08:32] <Linuturk> some sort of rule table
[08:32] <Linuturk> ?
[08:32] <AMSmith42> I don't think that I can specify an IP and a *port* for the firewall to disregard.
[08:32] <AMSmith42> Only an IP. I have to check into it further.
[08:33] <Linuturk> I don't think I've heard of a firewall WITHOUT port forwarding by ip
[08:34] <AMSmith42> Port forwarding does that? I thought I'd have to set up a rule in the filter.
[08:34] <Linuturk> well, I'm slightly confused
[08:34] <Linuturk> are we talking a firewall
[08:35] <Linuturk> or a proxy server
[08:35] <Linuturk> or, a combo of the two?
[08:35] <Linuturk> if it is a combo, see the device's manual before believing anything I say
[08:35] <Linuturk> that is specialized stuff
[08:35] <AMSmith42> The SonicWALL is a firewall and filter. It has a setting to disallow access to proxy servers.
[08:36] <AMSmith42> When apt-get tries to get a package and specifies port 80 the SonicWALL thinks that the server is trying to access a proxy. 
[08:37] <Linuturk> what does the proxy server do with normal port 80 traffic?
[08:37] <Linuturk> web browsing?
[08:37] <Linuturk> etc?
[08:37] <Linuturk> my experience with a Squid is the proxy server downloads the packages first, then serves them up to the client
[08:37] <Linuturk> it is a long delay
[08:37] <Linuturk> but once it is down
[08:38] <Linuturk> it is almost instantly available to any other machine on the network
[08:38] <AMSmith42> Web traffic from a browser is allowed.
[08:38] <AMSmith42> The sonicwall doesn't bother apt-get if it doesn't put 80 in the url.
[08:39] <AMSmith42> Only when apt-get uses <remote server> 80 does the sonicwall get triggered.
[08:39] <AMSmith42> I'm not using a local proxy server.
[08:40] <AMSmith42> The SonicWALL is set up to block access to internet proxies so that students can't get around the sonicwall filter.
[08:40] <AMSmith42> content filter, that is.
[08:42] <AMSmith42> Sweet...shopping