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Mordicusreally ? but they are installed by themselves when you select the language, no ?12:23
grazieinstalling the language packs can cause problems on low spec machines (during the xubuntu install). Install later if required would be my advice12:26
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Mordicusgrazie: ok, thanks for the advice :)12:37
Mordicusbut I selected French as language... so I am afraid the language packets will be installed :s12:37
graziethe extra language packs get installed at about 90%...you should get the option to skip12:40
Mordicusok ! :)12:41
Mordicus51% -_-12:42
Mordicusis it possible that my dvd-rom is slow because proper drivers are not installed ?12:42
ostbagarnprobably not12:48
Mordicusok, thank you.12:53
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wes_1977is setting up a wireless network any different in xubuntu than in ubuntu?12:54
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cclampblueseiei  yo02:57
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cclampbluesi got a wifi question: how do/can i access settings (wep wpa) in xubuntu for a wireless network card (laptop)03:06
PuMpErNiCkLeWifi-radar seems to be popular.03:12
PuMpErNiCkLe!info wifi-radar03:12
ubotuwifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB03:12
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clarklinuxI'm having trouble installing installing xubuntu 6.10 on my powerbook g3 (ppc). is there anyone who can help me?03:14
grazieclarklinux: what's the problem?03:16
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clarklinuxhi grazie: I burned the alternate installation iso image for xubuntu and I'm trying to boot my powerbook g3 lombard from it (by holding down c or command alt shift del)03:18
clarklinuxand what happens is an icon pops up with a folder that has the finder icon blinking with a question mark as the cd drive revs03:18
clarklinuxthat happens for a while and then it just goes into normal os 9 startup03:19
clarklinuxi'm very new to this, so please excuse me if I'm doing something dumb here03:19
grazieok03:19
graziecan you open the cd in os903:20
clarklinuxno03:20
clarklinuxright after startup, before it goes to the desktop, a dialog box comes up03:20
clarklinuxprompting me to format the disc because it cannot reda it03:20
clarklinuxi had hear of problems with 700 meg CDRs on older macs, so i tested it by putting in an audio 700 meg CDR03:20
clarklinuxand it read it fine03:21
clarklinux*had heard03:21
graziedid you verify the md5sum of the image download?03:21
clarklinuxi'm not exactly sure if I did, but i used K3b on my desktop (suse 9.2) and before it burns, it has loading bar with the label "md5 sum" and I waited until it had finished that and found no problem with it03:23
clarklinux*has a loading bar03:23
clarklinuxafter it finished it put a check mark next to the label and the loading bar was replaced by what I guess is an md5 value (not sure exactly what md5 is, I used it superficially in php)03:24
graziecan you read the cd ok from suse?03:24
clarklinuxlet me try03:24
clarklinuxyup, suse reads it fine03:26
graziei can make a few suggestions03:27
clarklinuxoaky03:28
grazie!burn | clarklinux03:28
ubotuclarklinux: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto03:28
clarklinuxwhoa, that's nifty03:28
grazieburning cds slowly x4 or less often helps03:28
graziecan you burn the cd on the mac?03:29
clarklinuxno, the drive cannot burn discs03:30
clarklinuxmy sister has a new intel macbook03:31
clarklinuxshould I try burning it on that?03:31
grazieseems odd you can't even read the cd from os903:31
clarklinuxforgive my ignorance, but does the speed difference between the drives of my desktop and laptop make a difference?03:31
grazieyes, very often it does03:32
clarklinuxhow do I adress that problem? by burning the disc at a much lower speed?03:32
clarklinuxdoes the speed have to be less than the speed of the cd drive on the mac? (24x)03:33
clarklinux*have to be much less03:33
grazieyes, burning CDRs slowly make it easier for them to be read, especially older machines03:34
clarklinuxalso,does the disc writing mode on K3b (DAO, TAO, RAW) have anything to do with it?03:35
clarklinuxok03:35
grazieI don't think so. what's the slowest available speed?03:36
clarklinuxthe slowest available speed on k3b is 1x03:36
clarklinuxthen 2x and 4x03:36
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Mordicushello03:36
graziehave fast did you do the last burn?03:36
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clarklinuxit was set to auto03:37
Mordicusgrazie: hi again Grazie !03:37
clarklinuxso i'm not exactly sure03:37
grazieMordicus: hi there03:37
Mordicusgrazie: my installation stopped at 87%.... while setting the clok :'(03:37
grazieclarklinux: probably too quick. Follow the burn how to guide and try burning at x4 or less03:38
grazieMordicus: oh dear!03:38
Mordicusgrazie: is it a known bug ?03:38
Mordicusgrazie: do I have to restart everything from the begining ?03:38
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grazieMordicus: I don't think it's a known bug03:39
vidd_laptophey all03:39
clarklinuxgrazie: thank you so much -- i'll come back and let you know how it turns out03:40
grazieMordicus: There's no easy to restart from where to it got up to03:40
grazievidd_laptop: hi there03:40
grazieMordicus: I network install may be good for you?03:41
vidd_laptopOdd_Bloke, ormiret  i installed dapper and got the bcm43xx driver to work without issue [as per the instructions on the wiki] 03:41
Mordicusgrazie: so I trying again with the minimal CD... do I have to install the "server" only?03:41
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Mordicusgrazie: yes, network install, with the minimal CD... but it is ubuntu, and I want to be sure to install Xubuntu03:42
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grazieMordicus: the base install is the same for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu03:43
Mordicusgrazie: so I use the server installation ? or the default installation ?03:44
vidd_laptopcouldit be caused by installing the command line, and THEN apt-getting the desktop that causes the issue?03:44
grazie!install | Mordicus03:45
ubotuMordicus: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues03:45
grazieMordicus: which do you mean?03:45
vidd_laptopis it possible that something is installed during desktop install that is missed in the apt-get?03:45
Mordicusgrazie: When using the minimal CD to start, I'm asked if I want the default installation, or the server installtion....03:46
Mordicusserver installation = base only03:46
vidd_laptopMordicus, you want the default03:46
vidd_laptopserver will install server apps03:47
vidd_laptopover the default install03:47
Mordicusvidd_laptop: but it is Ubuntu minimal install... :/ I wanted Xubuntu03:47
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vidd_laptopMordicus, what you want is ubuntu-minimal+xubuntu...03:47
Mordicusvidd_laptop: ok ! never mind, I'll learn to change later :)03:47
vidd_laptopnot ubuntu-minimal+UBUNTU03:48
Mordicusvidd_laptop: oh ! :-o03:48
Mordicusvidd_laptop: ok !03:48
vidd_laptopthe desktop will get installed LATER....03:48
vidd_laptopand the gesktop [and assosiated apps]  is the ONLY difference between the *buntu's03:49
Mordicusok03:49
vidd_laptoponce your minimal is installed....you will want to sudo aptitude udpate && sudo aptitute install xubuntu-desktop to get the full Xubuntu experience03:53
Mordicusvidd_laptop: ok ! the network install looks complex :s03:53
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Mordicuswhich minimal CD shall I use ? Feisty or Edgy ?03:54
Mordicuscan I try Feisty ?03:54
vidd_laptopMordicus, you dont have a disk to download a full alt-cd?03:55
Mordicusyes, I can03:55
Mordicusalternate CD ?03:55
vidd_laptopMordicus, you can try it....not sure if there is a minimal cd available03:55
Mordicusfor Feisy, yes, there is one too03:55
Mordicus*feisty03:56
vidd_laptopMordicus, the alt cd is a complete insataller...includes the desktop03:56
Mordicusand what will happen with minimal cd ?03:57
vidd_laptopit does not run the desktop environment in your ram...so it is better for lightweight systems03:57
Mordicuscan't it donwload all the others files ?03:57
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Mordicusvidd_laptop: ok...!03:57
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vidd_laptopsure....it takes longer to get the ISO....put it is worth it to m with my linux-hostile equiptment04:00
Mordicusminimal CD started ! :) it's like the alternate install text interface, but it donwload package from the network! it works great and faster ! :p04:02
j1mcMordicus: pretty neat.  do you have a local server that you use to install from?04:03
vidd_laptopMordicus, you using the fiesty minimal?04:03
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j1mcdid anyone else's xfce4-terminal break with the most recent feisty updates?04:04
j1mci have an unmet dependency and no xfce4-terminal on my amd64 box.04:05
vidd_laptopj1mc, hmmmm maybe i should wait till tommorrow's build to get fiesty04:06
clarklinuxgrazie: i burned the disc at 2x, had it verify the md5 sum, and it's still just revving when i try to boot from it. any ideas?04:07
vidd_laptopMordicus, where did you find a minimal cd in fiesty?04:07
Mordicusj1mc: I have a router (local connection) and linux found it automatically ! I did not need to set any server parameters :)04:07
Mordicusvidd_laptop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD04:07
j1mcMordicus: what do you mean, "found it automatically"?  it found it on the web?04:07
Mordicusj1mc: I just plugged my network cable into mu laptop and the minimal CD checked my hardware and found it...04:08
vidd_laptopj1mc, his network card is supported by the kernal, and DHCP worked for him04:08
Mordicusj1mc: (sorry I am linux/network newbie, not sure I can explain very clear)04:08
Mordicusj1mc: *very clearly04:09
grazieclarklinux: I can't give you a definite answer, but some Macs have real problems booting linux cd04:09
vidd_laptopclarklinux, did you burn the cd from the MAC?04:09
clarklinuxnope04:10
clarklinuxfrom the linux04:10
vidd_laptop...04:10
grazieclarklinux:  using an alternative cdrom usually solves the problem04:10
j1mcMordicus: you should report that as a successful test install (if you're using Feisty)04:10
vidd_laptopclarklinux, from linux ON THE MAC?04:10
Mordicusj1mc: where to ???04:10
clarklinuxwhat do you mean by alternative cdrom?04:10
j1mcclarklinux: i take it that your cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first04:10
grazieclarklinux: do you have access to a firewire cdrom?04:11
j1mcMordicus: read here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-March/003284.html04:11
clarklinuxgrazie: no I do not04:11
clarklinuxgrazie: i'm not sure what you mean by my cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first04:11
j1mcclarklinux: sorry, that your computer is set to boot from the cdrom before the hard drive . . .04:12
grazieclarklinux: no. it's actually the firmware on some cdroms that causes the problems04:12
j1mcclarklinux: it would be a setting in your bios . . . you could change the setting at boot.04:13
vidd_laptopclarklinux, if you burned your cd on a x86 or ADM64 machine and you are running a NON-Intel mac...your mac hardware MAY have issues reading the cd (if its a live cd)04:13
vidd_laptopnot sure about the alt04:13
grazieclarklinux: the firmware can sometimes be patched but it's a bit risky04:13
clarklinuxgrazie: not it is not...I have to hold either "c" or "command alt shift delete"04:13
Mordicuspersonnaly, I would recommend (noob recommendation) to use the minimal CD install to avoid problems with CD checksum...everything is donwloading from the web, it goes faster :)04:13
clarklinuxgrazie: i'm using the alt cd04:13
clarklinuxgrazie: i also just got a dialog box saying that it cannot read the disk...it wants to format it to "macos standard 602.1 mb"...is that the max it can read?04:14
grazieclarklinux: no. i think your getting confused between pc bios and open firmware04:14
clarklinuxgrazie: I'm sorry, i'm lost04:14
grazieclarklinux: the firmware I'm referring to is inside the cdrom itself04:15
vidd_laptopclarklinux, did you brn the cd from a mac running linux or a PC running linux?04:15
clarklinuxgrazie: a pc running linux04:15
grazievidd_laptop: the mac can't burn04:15
clarklinuxgrazie: sorry if that was a crucial fact I left out04:15
grazieclarklinux: no problem....it's only affects a small number of macs04:16
vidd_laptopand the mac cant read pc disks04:16
clarklinuxso i need to burn this from a mac?04:16
vidd_laptopit would be EASIER04:16
clarklinuxis the other method very compicated?04:17
grazieclarklinux: I don't think it will help04:17
clarklinuxokay04:17
vidd_laptopthat is why grazie is asking about your firmware....04:17
clarklinuxokay04:17
vidd_laptop[i think] 04:17
grazieclarklinux: it probably your cdrom... can be replaced of course but...04:18
clarklinuxthe cdrom drive works fine with other cds04:18
grazieyes it an apple thing!04:18
MordicusClarklinux, you should try what i am doing : if you have a network connection, download and burn the "Minimal CD" (only 8Mo), then it will install the system from internet... I had a lot of trouble with CD too, but with internet it goes really FFAASSTTEERR :)04:18
grazieit booting none mac os that's the problem04:19
clarklinuxexactly04:19
j1mcMordicus: you must have a fast internet connection04:19
clarklinuxit will not recognize the cd04:19
Mordicusj1mc: yes, ADSL 8Mo04:19
vidd_laptopMordicus, he needs to get his mac to READ that cd for it to work!04:19
grazieMordicus: will not solve the problem...still need to boot a linux kernel04:20
Mordicusvidd_laptop: oops, sorry... >_<04:20
vidd_laptopcan your mac boot from a usb drive?04:20
MordicusI got a lot of problem with ISO burning...04:20
vidd_laptopyou might try the minimal on that.....04:20
Mordicusthat's why I am very happy with the network installation04:20
clarklinuxi'm not sure04:21
clarklinuxnever tried it04:21
clarklinuxits OS 904:21
vidd_laptopMordicus, i cant find the minimal cd for fiesty!04:21
clarklinuxpre-usb drives04:21
clarklinuxso i don't think so04:21
vidd_laptopclarklinux, break out the floppies!04:21
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clarklinuxhahaha04:21
vidd_laptop3 floppies to install04:21
clarklinuxno floppy drive on the mac04:22
clarklinuxthanks for the suggestion though04:22
Mordicusvidd_laptop: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso04:22
Mordicusvidd_laptop: it is on this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD04:22
clarklinuxgrzie: so you think that there is a problem with my cdrom drive?04:23
grazieclarklinux: a network install may be possible, but it's not easy..04:23
grazieclarklinux: most likely...I can't be certain04:23
clarklinuxhmm04:23
Mordicuswoah woah woah !!!!!!!!!!04:23
Mordicusthe minimal CD is a genius !!! :D04:23
vidd_laptopMordicus, wow..that WAS fast!04:24
grazieMordicus: surprisingly few people do it!04:24
Mordicusnow he just asking me if I want : ubuntu, xubuntu, etc..... ! :p04:24
clarklinuxsorry if this is ignorant, but if I could get the install files to the mac through a regular (not iso) disk, could I install it?04:24
MordicusI just have to select Xubuntu... and it is going on to install ! :D04:24
vidd_laptopsorta...04:24
vidd_laptopyou need to have it in a bootable section04:25
Mordicusclarklinux: USB key ??04:25
vidd_laptopits rather tricky04:25
clarklinuxmordicus: i don't think OS9 can even read those04:25
clarklinuxhmmm04:25
Mordicusclarklinux: OS9 ? oops..04:25
Mordicusclarklinux: it can read them, but booting is more difficult...04:25
clarklinuxah04:26
clarklinuxso again just to clarify, nobody thinks that burning the disk from another mac would help?04:26
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clarklinuxokay04:26
vidd_laptopas long as it is an OS9 mac04:27
clarklinuxoh04:27
clarklinuxwell scratch that then haha04:27
MordicusIt may help because I had A LOT OF problem with my disks drive and with my CDRW... :s04:27
vidd_laptopis your OTHER mac an intel-mac?04:27
clarklinuxyep04:27
clarklinuxa new macbook04:27
vidd_laptopthere-in liesthe issue04:27
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clarklinuxyeah i see04:27
grazieclarklinux: it may help...but unlikely04:27
clarklinuxgrazie: i don't understand how there could be a problem with the cdrom drive if it reads other cds fine04:28
vidd_laptopclarklinux, can you make a bootable section?04:28
clarklinuxvidd: if I could I don't know how04:28
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MordicusIf Clarklinux has a fast internet connection, he should try to burn a minimal CD... it is so small, that I 'm sure there are less writing/reading errors possible04:29
clarklinuxis it an iso disk04:29
grazieclarklinux: apple modified their cdrom firmware so that you can't boot mac os with any old cdrom04:29
clarklinuxhmm04:29
clarklinuxwhat if i formatted the HD04:29
clarklinuxthere's nothing on there i need and i have the os 9 software if i need it04:29
clarklinuxif all else fails and i need to reinstall it04:29
Mordicusthe firmware is OS independent... no ?04:30
grazieclarklinux: however it sometimes makes it very difficult to boot linux04:30
vidd_laptopMordicus, if he cant get get the boot disk to boot, it dont MATTER what is on it04:30
MordicusI mean, the CD-rom firmware04:30
Mordicusbut it may be a problem with download or burning the CD-rom, no ?04:30
clarklinuxgrazie: in what way? would it be apparent at the start, or would it be some kind of tricky situation that i get entangled in further down the road04:30
clarklinuxmordicus: i used k3b and I checked the md5 sum...it worked on my desktop (suse 9.2)04:31
grazieclarklinux: it simply that you can't boot the linux cd04:31
vidd_laptopclark....did you get the PPC version?????04:31
clarklinuxvidd: yep04:31
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MordicusI have to CRW at home, and some ISO won't run if they are burnt with one of these two :s04:32
clarklinuxgrazie: if you think that there's a decent chance that formatting the HD would do it, i have no problem doing it04:32
Mordicus*I have 2 CDRW drive04:32
vidd_laptophe said it worked on his desktop...an x86 machine....04:32
clarklinuxbecause it it doesn't work then I can just reinstall os904:32
grazieclarklinux: no04:32
clarklinuxokay.04:32
Mordicusvidd_laptop: ah ok, I didn't know :(04:32
vidd_laptopwell........im off to try this net install04:33
vidd_laptopwish me luck!04:33
clarklinuxshould I try a different burning program? would there be any sort of plugin i could get for k3b to burn os9 friendly isos?04:33
clarklinuxthanks vidd for your help04:33
clarklinuxgood luck04:33
Mordicusgood luck !04:36
grazieclarklinux: I think these your options04:37
grazieclarklinux: 1. new cdrom - no guarantees it'll work04:37
grazieclarklinux: 2. install os on another ppc machine and copy over04:37
grazieclarklinux: 3. take the hd out of laptop and install os on another machine - tricky removing hd04:38
grazieclarklinux: 4. network install - hard to set up04:38
clarklinuxgrazie: i know that os9 touts being able to boot from the network04:38
clarklinuxhow would I set this up? (if I were to use my suse desktop)04:39
grazieclarklinux: it's open firmware that needs to network boot I think - but I never needed to do it04:40
clarklinuxnot sure what that means04:40
grazieclarklinux: your g3 is new world?04:41
clarklinuxi bought it on ebay running OSX 10.204:41
clarklinuxi don't know any other way to tell if it's new world04:41
grazieif it's new world it'll have open firmware04:42
clarklinuxwhat does that mean and how do I determine whether or not it's new world04:43
clarklinuxi know that I can select "startup from network"04:43
grazieopen firmware is similar to pc bios04:43
graziewhat machine is it exactly?04:43
clarklinuxpowerbook g3 lombard04:43
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's NewWorld.04:44
clarklinuxthank you04:45
clarklinuxso how would I go about setting up a network boot?04:45
grazieclarklinux: you'll need to google....although I think there's a guide in ubuntu wiki...but it will be tricky04:46
clarklinuxi'm reading the wiki now04:48
clarklinuxi think i will try burning the disk from my sister's computer04:48
clarklinuxbecause they're both new world, so they should have the same type of formatting, correct?04:49
clarklinuxor no, sorry we established they wouldn't04:49
clarklinuxintel vs ppc04:49
=== grazie not very hopeful
clarklinuxmm04:49
clarklinuxwell i'll go on from here by myself04:49
clarklinuxthank you so much for all your help04:49
grazieyou're welcome04:49
clarklinuxbye04:49
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odathi everyone05:15
odati have installed feisty xubuntu on a few machine now and i noticed something05:16
odatwhen i upgrade to feisty i get a hard drive icon a floppy icon and a trash icon on the desktop05:16
odatwhen i do a fresh install i just get a floppy icon05:16
odathow can i get all those icons on a fresh install?05:16
odat?05:18
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null__ok05:25
null__that is a good question :D!05:25
null__first, you must05:26
null__OMG ZOMBIE ATTACK! ahh!! brb05:26
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null__ok, you must edit the config file that the live cd uses05:27
null__or wherever the install is getting directions from05:27
null__and by the config file05:27
null__i mean, some configs somewhere05:27
null__thereforeh, technically, i cannot be wrong with my solution o_o05:27
null__oh shit, microsoft is going to knock my door down and make me work for them :(05:27
Eagle_101odat05:31
Eagle_101what does your fstab look like?05:31
Eagle_101gah05:32
Eagle_101/etc/fstab05:32
Eagle_101he needed to edit that05:32
Eagle_101!code05:39
ubotuProgramming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida05:39
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cclampblueshow do you get linux to play wma or quicktime files?06:02
Eagle_101!wma06:05
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:05
Eagle_101!quicktime06:05
Eagle_101cclampblues; does that help at all?06:06
cclampbluesyeah i didnt know that guy was around06:07
Eagle_101ubotu?06:07
Eagle_101its a bot ;)06:07
cclampblues!plans to kill all humans06:08
Eagle_101heh06:09
cclampbluesthanks eagle101 and bot.06:20
cclampblueswhat is the keyboard shortcut to open a terminal window06:20
cclampblues?06:20
cclampblues!terminal06:22
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands06:22
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meborchey guys... trying to install the newest conky from source (1.4.5)... but it tells me while configuring that a lXdamage extension is missing... any one here had success in installing the new version?08:43
krautmoin08:47
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hyper!nvidia09:47
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:47
hyperhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:47
El_Angelois the nvidia legacy driver somewhere?09:52
El_Angelo!nvidia-legacy09:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nvidia-legacy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:53
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mekke!nvidia10:24
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:24
mekkeanyway to enable the shade on scroll on window title bar?10:26
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mekkestill listening...10:28
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hypersudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude upgrade11:50
hyperups :)11:50
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rubmeisterhi12:04
rubmeisteri was wondering if someone here could help me?12:05
TheSheep!ask12:06
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:06
rubmeister:P12:06
rubmeisterwell,  im quite new in linux, and i wanted to try out xubuntu, cause i heard it's good for older pc's, so i was wondering if i should choose the alternative cd or the desktop cd? i still want to have my windows to12:07
TheSheepthe difference between the live cd and the alternate cd is that you can run xubuntu from live cd without installing it, but it needs much more ram12:08
El_AngeloTheSheep: you saw my question about the scrolling? where the hell did you disable it?12:09
TheSheepxubuntu will not touch your windows without your permission -- you will still be able to boot into it from the menu at the beginning (after pressing esc at boot)12:09
TheSheepEl_Angelo: what scrolling?12:09
El_Angeloscrolling on the window borders on a vanilla xfwm4 results in shading it...12:09
TheSheepEl_Angelo: yes, it's very handy, I use it all the time12:10
rubmeisterwell my pc is a 450 mhz with 128 mb ram, 15 gb hd12:10
El_Angelodoesn't work on this xubuntu i just installed...12:10
El_Angelohmmm12:10
El_Angelocould it be just the theme?12:10
rubmeistershould i choose the alternate cd ?12:10
TheSheepEl_Angelo: I don't think so12:10
El_Angelothen why doesn't it work?12:11
El_Angelohmmm12:11
TheSheepEl_Angelo: but I just remembered I have compiled the xfwm4 myself to have the gimp patch12:11
El_Angeloi actually haven't tested if the scroll button works at all....12:11
El_Angelothat would be pretty dumb12:11
El_Angelohmmm12:11
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El_Angelomeh12:15
El_Angeloit's indeed that12:15
El_Angelokvm is not passing scrolling events12:15
El_Angelosorry for the noise12:15
TheSheepEl_Angelo: no problem, still remember the desktop icons thing :)12:16
TheSheepEl_Angelo: btw, it's OT here, but do you maybe know how and where thunar stores its bookmarks?12:17
TheSheepEl_Angelo: I'd like to try and make a panel applet displaying them12:17
El_Angelothe bookmarks are a gtk thing12:18
El_Angeloyou can see them as well in the gtk file chooser12:18
TheSheepEl_Angelo: I coudn't find nethier any .desktop files nor single config file for them12:18
El_Angelo~/.gtk-bookmarks12:18
El_Angelo;)12:18
TheSheepEl_Angelo: thank, how could I miss them...12:18
El_Angeloif you don't know that they are actually gtk stuff :)12:19
TheSheepEl_Angelo: I did kno that12:19
El_Angelo:)12:19
TheSheepEl_Angelo: well, at least suspected12:19
TheSheepEl_Angelo: because thunar could have extended them somehow12:19
TheSheepyou know, emblems and things12:19
El_Angelothey are not really on the bookmarks12:20
El_Angelothey are on the folders themselves12:20
TheSheepyes, now I can see it :)12:20
TheSheepthank you12:20
El_Angeloyou can't set the emblem in the bookmarks panel12:20
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TheSheepEl_Angelo: do you mamybe remember any reson why Thunar doesn't disply the devices and bookmarks in the "go" menu? I coudn't find any reasoning on the wiki...12:21
El_Angelonope12:22
El_Angelonothing in the bugtracker?12:22
TheSheepah, may be12:22
TheSheepnope, I'll add a feature request :D12:24
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leaphistowhat do i have to do to share my internet connection from my linux server to my windows client?12:46
TheSheepleaphisto: second network card in the linux box12:49
leaphistoi have it already12:49
leaphistothe point is to do the masquerading12:49
leaphistoi don't know how to12:49
TheSheepleaphisto: well, lots of tutorials for that in the Net, anything that works for debian will work for ubuntu too12:50
leaphisto...12:51
leaphistoi don't have an access to www through this computer12:51
leaphistothat's why I'm asking here.12:51
TheSheepI have to run in several minutes, so I won't give you step by step tutorial, maybe somone else12:52
totalwormageanyone knows where i report a typo in xubuntu english usa12:53
totalwormageenglish usa isn't actually a 'translation' so it's not on launchpad12:54
totalwormage(or was it already freezed)12:54
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leaphistoTheSheep: that's okay. thanks anyway12:55
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kumamotowiki01:16
kumamotols01:16
kumamotocd01:16
kumamotols01:16
leaphistookay.01:16
kumamotooh crap01:16
leaphisto:D01:16
kumamotoam must be going mad01:16
leaphistopossibly.01:17
kumamotoleaphisto: u say u r linux box has 2 nics right?01:17
leaphistoyeah.01:17
leaphistoone to the adsl-modem, one to my switch01:17
leaphistoeth0 goes to my switch, eth1 goes to my adsl-box01:18
kumamotoand you want it to act as a router for your other pcs'?01:18
leaphistoyes01:18
leaphistoit's iptables MASQUERADE somethingsomething01:19
leaphistobut i don't know what01:19
kumamotook for now can u r other pc connect without iptables?01:20
leaphistoyes01:20
leaphistothat's how I'm ircing atm01:20
kumamotothen you shouldn't a problem accessing the interworld01:21
leaphistowell i am having a problem to access www with my windows-machine through my linux box01:22
kumamotoirc chat client on the windows or linux box01:23
leaphistoon linux box01:24
leaphistowindows box cannot connect to internet at all01:24
leaphistoit can connect to linux but no internet01:24
leaphistoso basically: winpc -> linuxserver -| internet01:24
leaphistowhen it should be: winpc -> linuxserver -> internet -> grannyporn!!! whee!!!01:25
kumamotook u r public nic gets a public ipaddr from your isp right01:26
leaphistoyes01:26
leaphistothrough dhclient01:26
kumamotook01:26
kumamotowhat is the routing of your private nic01:27
leaphistoummm?01:27
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leaphistowhat do you mean by that?01:28
leaphistowhere it is connected, or what?01:28
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leaphistokumamoto: ?01:29
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kumamotosorry leaphisto got distracted01:38
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leaphist0kumamoto: that's okay, did you receive any messages from me?01:40
leaphist0apparently i gotta register my nick01:40
leaphist0:(01:40
kumamotonope didn't01:41
leaphist0okay.01:41
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kumamotoby the way do u have an old pc lying around somewhere01:42
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leaphistokumamoto: nope01:43
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kumamotodamn they come in handy for this task01:46
leaphisto:)01:46
leaphistopossibly01:46
leaphistodid you get my messages now?01:46
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cinnanderhey guys02:48
cinnanderI just installed 3ddesktop (and it worked ok) & tried to make a panel button to launch it, but when I did so and returned from 3d-mode my panels (top and bottom) were both gone, logging off/on and/or rebooting doesn't fix it .. I have to run xfce4-panel manually every time I log in :|02:51
cinnanderSo, was wondering if anyone might know likely cause-- I'm thinking dead config/autorun script somewhere caused by some bug when i tried to make my launcher?02:51
graziecinnander: after you've started the xfce4-panel successfully make sure you save session on exit. The problem is a buggy xfce4-panel app I think02:54
blizzis /etc/network/interfaces able to carry information about network bridges?02:55
hyper_chhiho03:00
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VilhelmsI'm having a problem. I just installed xubuntu-desktop using aptitude and when I try to login to the Xfce session I get an error that my X session lasted than 10 seconds. When I click view details I get the following message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10339/plain/03:02
Vilhelmslasted less than 10 seconds**03:03
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hyper_chVilhelms: does that user exist?  No profile for user 'jfanaian' found03:05
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I log in as jfanaian03:05
Vilhelmshyper_ch, So I'm assuming the user exists03:06
hyper_chhmmm, strange... no profile...03:06
hyper_chcreate a new user and try to login as taht one then03:06
Vilhelmshyper_ch, And I can find it in the /etc/passwd file03:06
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Okay03:06
blizzfyi, found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces03:06
Vilhelmsbrb03:07
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hyper_chit works?03:09
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Creating a new user fixed it, but I want to use the account I already have :(03:09
hyper_chVilhelms: hmmm....03:10
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I'll try searching online and see if anyone else has had the same issue03:10
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I figured that wasn't the issue because I get the same error on gnome if I view the ~/.xsession-error file03:11
hyper_chVilhelms: I would try to copy the xfce folder from the new user to the old one03:11
hyper_chmaybe that helps03:11
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Let me try03:11
hyper_chVilhelms: and you have to chown it to the vilhelms one after copying :)03:11
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Thats sudo chown -R jfanaian <file>, right?03:11
hyper_chVilhelms: I'd try to /home/USER/.cache  folder03:12
hyper_chcopy that03:12
hyper_chVilhelms: sudo cp -Rf /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache03:12
hyper_chVilhelms: sudo chown -R jfanian:jfanian /home/jfanian/.cache03:13
VilhelmsI did that, but if I do sudo ls -lah /home/jfanaian/.cache it doesn't list anything.... could it be because of permission problems or did it not copy?03:15
hyper_chVilhelms: did you use my cp command?03:16
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah03:16
hyper_chVilhelms: are you on command line right now?03:16
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I have konsole open03:16
hyper_chok, then let's make it simple :)03:16
hyper_chVilhelms: sudo apt-get install mc03:16
hyper_chand afterwards:   sudo mc03:16
VilhelmsAhhh :(03:17
Vilhelmsapt-get is not working03:17
Vilhelmsit doesn't output anything03:17
hyper_chwhat about:  sudo cp -Rfv /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache03:17
hyper_chof course you have to replace NEW_USER with the one you created before03:18
VilhelmsDoesn't output anything either03:18
VilhelmsYeah I am03:18
hyper_chhmmm, then another option would be (1) make NEW_USE also able to use sudo (2) create a 2nd new user and copy all files over from jfanian (3) delete jfanian (4) copy the files back without overwriting (5) make jfanian also able to use sudo03:19
hyper_chit is just strange, that you can't copy over the .cache files03:20
VilhelmsCouldn't I just login as jfanaian on gnome and copy the new user's .cache?03:20
VilhelmsUsing sudo03:20
hyper_chVilhelms: that should also work03:20
hyper_chtry that03:20
Vilhelmshyper_ch, alright :) brb... thanks btw03:20
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robinlinthAnyone know a good lightweight bittorrent client for Xubuntu?03:24
hyper_chbittorrent03:24
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Vilhelmshyper_ch, Well. I was able to copy the files but it didn't work :( Same error03:25
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I'm on the main account under gnome now though, so I should be able to run anything fine this time :)03:25
hyper_chVilhelms: did you also chown afterwards?03:25
VilhelmsVilhelms, oh crap haha03:26
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Brb again03:26
robinlinthhyper_ch, Graphical, please. And needs the possibility to set ports03:26
hyper_chazureus03:27
grazierobinlinth: did you try deluge?03:28
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robinlinthgrazie, Not in the repos.03:30
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Well, that didn't work either03:30
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I did notice that there is a ~/.xprofile owned by root on my account but not in the new user's account03:30
hyper_chVilhelms: then copy the user files to some place... delete that acc and recreate it03:30
Vilhelmshyper_ch, The contents are: /usr/bin/xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap03:31
hyper_chVilhelms: ah ok :)03:31
grazie!deluge | robinlinth03:31
uboturobinlinth: deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information03:31
grazierobinlinth: don't think are any light weight bt clients in the repos03:31
hyper_chwell, not graphical ones :)03:31
Vilhelmshyper_ch, So basically copy /home/jfanaian to some place and delete/recreate the user?03:31
hyper_chVilhelms: yes, that's what I would do03:32
hyper_chbut first you must give your current acc sudo rights03:32
hyper_chor enable root03:32
Vilhelmshyper_ch, which should i do? and how do i do that? does that have something to do with visudo?03:33
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Doesn't my current account already have sudo?03:34
hyper_chI've never done it03:34
hyper_chVilhelms: I don't know :)03:34
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Okay, I'll look it up then :).. Thanks for the help!03:34
hyper_chthe safe way is enable root03:34
hyper_chthe not-so-sure-howto-do-way is03:34
hyper_chgoing to applications --> system --> users and groups03:34
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Alright, I will try that in a bit.... It'll probably take a while to copy, I don't know how much space is used by /home/jfanaian but I'm sure its quite large :\03:34
hyper_chand note everything down from fanjan user and apply it to the new one03:34
hyper_chVilhelms: you could hardlink it03:35
hyper_chthen you wouldn't use double disk space if that is a concern of you03:35
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Won't it get deleted when I delete the account though?03:35
hyper_chVilhelms: that's the beauty of hardlinks :)03:35
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Actually I didn't even think about that... It probably won't fit in my drive haha03:35
hyper_chbasically explained: Hardlinks --> Files03:36
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Hardlinks? I'll have to read on that then =\ Never heard of them... All I know about linking is ln -s03:36
hyper_chVilhelms: Symlinks --> Pointer to a hardlink03:36
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hyper_chVilhelms: Hardlink is sort of an entry in the toc of the harddisk (well, not quite) and it points to the physical data03:36
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Ohh so if the data gets deleted in /home/jfanaian it will still remain where I made the hardlink?03:37
hyper_chVilhelms: as long as data on the drive is directed to by a hardlink that file "exists"03:37
hyper_chVilhelms: in windows you cannot have 2 toc entries pointing to the same data03:37
hyper_chVilhelms: in linux you can03:37
Vilhelmshyper_ch, okay, i get it... so simply put its two different sources pointing at the same data on the physical drive?03:37
hyper_chsort of03:37
hyper_chas long as there is at least one, the "file" exists03:37
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Oh okay :)03:37
hyper_chI use this to make backups every 6h03:37
hyper_chVilhelms: full backups :)03:38
hyper_chfor 60 days backwards :)03:38
Vilhelmshyper_ch, o.O but then it stays in the same drive... doesn't it?03:38
hyper_chwhen I run du my harddisk is so much bigger than it actually is03:38
hyper_chVilhelms: yes, needs to be on the same drive03:38
hyper_chVilhelms: otherwise it's a copy and not a "hardlink"03:38
Vilhelmshyper_ch, What I mean, is that if its a backup, shouldn't you have it on an external drive? :\03:38
hyper_chVilhelms: ah, no sorry... I have it on a second harddisk on my computer03:39
hyper_chVilhelms: and once a day I sync it with a server I rented03:39
Vilhelmshyper_ch, ohhh...03:39
Vilhelmshyper_ch, So you hardlink on a different drive?03:39
hyper_chVilhelms: sort of03:40
hyper_chI can pastebin my little script if you want to see it03:40
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Sure haha, I'm curious :)03:40
hyper_chfirst I made a real copy onto the other drive03:40
hyper_chand then upon each cycle the data there gets hardlink-copied03:40
hyper_chand synced03:40
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Ohhh. I see03:41
hyper_chVilhelms: http://phpfi.com/21547703:42
Vilhelmshyper_ch, so could you compare hardlinking to pointers in like a C program?03:42
Vilhelmshyper_ch, If its pretty much the same then I think I understand :)03:43
hyper_chdon't know C03:43
hyper_chit just creates in the table of contents an additional entry03:43
hyper_chwhich points to the same datablock03:43
Vilhelmshyper_ch, oh... well basically a pointer is a variable that holds the memory address to an entry in memory, so 2 variables could point to the same memory slot but named different03:43
hyper_chhence the file exists twice03:43
hyper_chbut uses only a few bytes03:43
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Vilhelmshyper_ch, Okay then yeah, it would be the same as far as I understand03:44
hyper_cha symlink is a totally different file03:44
Vilhelmshyper_ch, ohh alright03:44
hyper_chVilhelms: and the fun is, because the file exists twice when you use "du" then it's counted twice03:44
hyper_che.g. if you hardlink a 500mb file twice03:44
hyper_chthen du will return as diskusage 1gb03:44
Vilhelmsoh lol03:44
hyper_chhence you can store "more" than the max. capacity :)03:45
Vilhelmsit would be funny if my drive shows up as using up more space than it has available03:45
Vilhelmshaha03:45
Vilhelmsyeah03:45
hyper_chVilhelms: my backup script is pretty simple but you should not have problems understanding what it does03:45
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I'm looking over it now, thanks for showing me it :) heh03:45
hyper_chend $EXLUDES is a file that contain paths and full_path_files_names that should be excluded from mirroring by rsync03:46
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Wow thats a good way to backup a sql database03:46
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I remember having a pain last time I tried to write a backup script03:47
hyper_chit makes a backup of each database03:47
hyper_chin its own file03:47
hyper_chI don't compress it as rsync will then transfer more if it was changed :)03:47
hyper_chrsync only creates new files that were altered03:47
hyper_chI got bits and pieces from everywhere to create that little script :)03:48
Vilhelmshyper_ch, So rsync copies the files excluding those that are in the exclude dir?03:48
hyper_chVilhelms: yes... or you could set includes03:48
Vilhelmshyper_ch, And those that weren't changed* (i just read what you said)03:48
hyper_chwhatever you prefer :)03:48
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Wow, thats really useful03:49
hyper_chrsync is really great :)03:49
hyper_chVilhelms: my little exclude file  http://phpfi.com/21548103:49
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Oh wow neat :)03:50
hyper_chwell, each one what he wants :)03:50
hyper_chanyway, I'm off now03:51
hyper_chI'd recommend either enable root03:51
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Alrighty, thanks so much for the help!03:51
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah I'll look into it both and see what I can do :)03:51
hyper_chor then have a look at the user settings and copy them all over03:51
hyper_chroot can be very simple enabled03:51
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Alright, I will try it :) Thanks so much03:51
hyper_ch(I have it enabled myself because of automatic backup :)03:51
hyper_chyou know russian?03:52
Vilhelmshyper_ch, yeah i found it weird that you couldn't just sh to root03:52
Vilhelmshyper_ch, No, I'm .. well I live in the US, I don't know what to consider myself as nationality though haha03:52
hyper_chVilhelms: normally you don't need root03:52
hyper_chsudo is normally enough03:52
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah, well I was using to using fedora because thats what they had at my last job, and it doesn't use sudo i don't think03:53
Vilhelmshyper_ch, I don't even remember now :\03:53
hyper_chbecause I also backup files owned by root I run rsync as root03:53
hyper_chand I let my backup server login through ssh by root without password being asked03:53
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Where in the script do you specify to run it as root?03:53
hyper_chVilhelms: I run that script as root03:53
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Oh! okay, that makes sense03:53
hyper_chit will need access to some root-owned files :)03:54
hyper_chif you don't have any root-owned files then you may not need to run it as root03:54
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah thats really neat03:54
hyper_chbut the configs in /etc are nice to have backups03:54
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah heh :)03:54
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Thats really useful... if I had 2 drives I would do it lol but I'm on a laptop :\03:54
hyper_chenable root is simple:   sudo passwd root03:55
hyper_chso you set a password for root03:55
hyper_chI think that's it03:55
hyper_chVilhelms: external harddisk03:55
hyper_chVilhelms: or rent a server :)03:55
Vilhelmshyper_ch, It worked... well I think, I haven't tried logging in as root03:55
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Yeah those are good ideas... I have an external at home but I have to wipe it lol03:55
hyper_chopen a shell03:56
hyper_chsu -03:56
hyper_chenter root pwd03:56
hyper_chand either it works or not03:56
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Vilhelmsyeah it does :)03:56
hyper_chanyway, good luck with your "user" problem :)03:56
Vilhelmscool, thanks so much!03:56
Vilhelmshyper_ch, Haha, alright :) Thanks for the help and the scripts03:56
hyper_chenjoy03:56
slow-motionhallo03:57
hyper_chhuhu slow03:57
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soweto76I appended "profile" to the linux command line at the grup prompt and the system idicate that it was making a profile the startup sequence.  How can I remove that "profile"?04:07
soweto76^grup^grub04:07
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sdac1hi,  on xubuntu i accidently went to the "login Window" settings screen and selected "Chooser".  Now on startup i get a different screen that asks me to enter names then click add...This screen does not allow me to login.  Is there a way to re-select the old login manager program by changing some txt file while in recovery mode ?  thanks04:49
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Mordicu1hello !:)05:25
Mordicu1(ugly gaim smiley -_-)05:25
grazieMordicu1: hi there05:26
Mordicu1hi Grazie !05:26
TheSheep_Mordicu1: just chnge the smiley theme05:26
TheSheep_Mordicu1: lots of them out there05:26
Mordicu1I installed xubuntu using the minimal CD !05:26
Mordicu1where are the theme ???05:26
TheSheep_Mordicu1: great05:26
grazieMordicu1: so you're up anbd running?05:26
Mordicu1but... something strange...05:26
TheSheep_http://www.google.pl/search?q=gaim+theme05:27
Mordicu1I used the feisty minimal CD, but it installed the 6.06 version of Xubuntu :(05:27
grazieno!05:27
TheSheep_fun!05:27
Mordicu1the display is very slow, apps launch very slowly too....05:27
Mordicu1it is worst than 6.10 for my laptop (which is not a good reference!)05:28
TheSheep_Mordicu1: it's a slow computer05:28
TheSheep_Mordicu1: you can upgrade to 6.1005:28
Mordicu1is there a way to upgrade from Xfce 6.06 to feisty 7.04 ?05:28
grazieMordicu1: why do you think it's 6.06?05:28
TheSheep_not directly05:28
Mordicu1when I launched Mozilla Firefox, I got a welcome page to Ubuntu 6.06....05:29
Mordicu1but I cannot be sure of the version installed05:29
grazieMordicu1: documentation bug!05:29
Mordicu1how to check it then ?05:30
graziecat /etc/issue05:30
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Mordicu1Ubuntu feisty (development branch) \n \l05:32
Mordicu1about Xfce : Xfce 4 Desktop Environment05:32
Mordicu1version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4)05:32
UbugtuXFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405:32
vidd_laptopMordicu1, you the same guy talking up the net-install last night?05:33
Mordicu1yes !05:33
Mordicu1but yesterday the installation was not completed, in fact05:33
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vidd_laptopit worked great....but i found it ALOT slower then standard alt-cd install05:34
Mordicu1only the base system installed, I had to type  "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop".... and then it download/installed the others files05:34
Mordicu1for me it was faster, since my CD-rom is really slow.....05:34
Mordicu1but Feisty is quite slow... when I launch an application, it takes 5-8 seconds before launching :'(05:35
vidd_laptopyou low on resources?05:36
grazieMordicu1: shouldn't be slowler than live cd though!05:36
sdac1 can someone tell me which text file contains the settings of what login manager to display when machine starts.  I selected "Chooser" accidently and thus cannot login anymore...how do i re-enable gdm by editing text file ???05:36
grazieMordicu1: did you make a note of xorg driver?05:36
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Mordicu1grazie: xorg driver ? what is it ? how to ?05:38
Mordicu1vidd_laptop: I have 192 RAM (sodimm PC-100), Celerom 600Mhz CPU (or 800, not sure :/)05:38
vidd_laptophow do i change my computer's localname without hosing the system?05:38
grazieMordicu1: when you were running the live cd, the driver used can be seen in /etc/X11/xrog.conf....remember?05:39
grazievidd_laptop: hostname? it can be tricky.05:39
Mordicu1grazie: sorry, I do not remember.... :( What can I do ? I am sure there is a problem with drivers, it's too slow :( )05:40
vidd_laptopMordicu1, did it run faster from the live cd?05:41
grazieMordicu1: look for Driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what it i now (vesa I'd guess)05:41
grazieMordicu1: do the same with the live cd booted05:42
Mordicu1I did not boot from a liveCD but from the Minimal CD ! (8Mo only)05:42
grazieMordicu1: you did yesterday (and got stuck)05:43
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Mordicu1grazie: yes, I was stuck with the Live CD.... I guess there was a problem with one partition, so I reformatted the PC, and I used the Feisty minimal CD to reinstall Xubuntu, because with my CD-rom (very slow or broken) it takes ages...05:45
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Mordicu1grazie: the install with the minimal CD (loading from the network) was much faster for me, and I got no error this time.05:46
grazieMordicu1: what's the Driver used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf now?05:46
Mordicu1What should I check in the xorg.conf ?05:46
grazieMordicu1: look for Driver ^^05:47
Mordicu1Section "Device"05:47
Mordicu1Identifier"Carte vido gnrique"05:47
Mordicu1Driver"vesa"05:47
Mordicu1BusID"PCI:1:0:0"05:47
Mordicu1this ?05:47
grazieyes05:47
Mordicu1(sorry for the French language :s)05:48
grazieit is vesa, but I still don't think it should be as slow as you are describing05:48
Mordicu1well, everything respond slowly :'(05:49
grazieMordicu1: is a lot a hassle to boot with the live cd?05:49
Mordicu1grazie: for me yes, but just because my CD-rom is slow, but I can do it.... should I boot from the Feisty live CD ?05:50
Mordicu1(why should I boot with the live CD since Xubuntu is installed now ?)05:51
grazieMordicu1: use whatever xubuntu live cd you have already ...to see what driver is being used...it may not be vesa05:52
Mordicu1ok. So I boot from a liveCD... then I check xorg.conf drivers, right?05:53
Mordicu1to compare05:53
grazieyes05:53
Mordicu1ok rebooting ^05:54
grazieMordicu1: hold on05:54
Mordicu1yes ?05:54
grazieMordicu1: if it is different, save a copy of xorg.conf to disk or usb stick05:54
Mordicu1ok05:55
Mordicu1I will connect to irc from my Windows-PC (burk)05:55
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frtmonsterhi, what can i do to make my xubuntu run faster? i'm on a celeron laptop06:17
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Mordicusre Grazie06:20
MordicusIt is not the same driver but I could not save the file, I rebooting with an USB key inserted06:21
Mordicusgrazie: I also found an interesing page.... but I don't know how to apply this info :06:21
Mordicusgrazie: http://www.freewebs.com/duckzland/r100.html06:22
Mordicusgrazie: look at 3.6. Video Card Configuration06:22
grazieMordicus: back06:28
grazieMordicus: what was in the live cd xorg,conf?06:28
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Mordicussavage S3 or something like that...06:29
grazie?06:29
B|nTaRalo06:29
MordicusI am rebooting with a usb key plugged...06:29
Mordicusbut video respond better with the live CD06:29
B|nTaRai installed xubuntu 6.0606:30
B|nTaRaand then i upgraded06:30
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B|nTaRahow i wanna know either im using 6.10 or not ?06:30
grazieMordicus: you've got the live cd on usb key?06:30
Mordicusno, I booted with the 6.10 live CD (on CD-rom)06:31
grazieB|nTaRa: in a terminal type 'cat /etc/issue'06:31
Mordicusand now, I plugged a pcmcia card with usb key to save the xorg.conf file06:31
B|nTaRa$ cat /etc/issue06:31
B|nTaRaUbuntu 6.10 \n \l06:31
B|nTaRagrazie, thank you06:31
grazienp06:31
Mordicusxubuntu takes ages to load my USB key content.... -_-06:32
B|nTaRagrazie, i just do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade06:32
B|nTaRais that correct ?06:32
grazieB|nTaRa: you've upgraded already06:33
B|nTaRa\0/06:33
grazie!upgrade | B|nTaRa06:33
ubotuB|nTaRa: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes06:33
B|nTaRagrazie, i didnt follow the tutorial06:35
frtmonsterhow can i know which services or probes i don't need in xubuntu so it would make my celeron laptop a bit faster06:35
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grazieB|nTaRa: you should have really done 'sudo apt-get update' and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list06:40
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wolferine<Seveas> i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you?06:42
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frtmonsterwhat's the cpu frequency manager job?06:43
B|nTaRagrazie, what happen if i didnt do like that ?06:43
stevenofrtmonster: i suppose its all in its name06:44
frtmonstersteveno: and what does the name say?06:44
frtmonsterwhat cpu frequency does the manager job manage?06:44
stevenooh okay, now I'm following you06:44
grazieB|nTaRa: I don't know....what did you do?06:45
B|nTaRawell06:46
B|nTaRajust apt-get update06:46
B|nTaRaand apt-upgrade06:47
B|nTaRathats all06:47
stevenoit manages your cpu's frequency (assuming you only have one). the way i understand it though it only kicks in during extreme times06:47
grazieB|nTaRa: you must have changed sources.list06:47
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B|nTaRagrazie,06:48
B|nTaRadeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe06:48
B|nTaRadeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe06:48
stevenofrtmonster: if your using a laptop it will probably kick in more often as you go on and off battery power06:48
frtmonsteri see06:49
grazieB|nTaRa: they're edgy. (remember to use pastebin for multiline posts...just in case)06:50
B|nTaRagrazie, whats the latest ?06:50
grazieB|nTaRa: sorry06:50
grazieB|nTaRa: i was thinking feisty which isn't released yet06:51
B|nTaRa:P06:51
rmd_when does xubuntu feisty come out, anyway?06:52
grazieB|nTaRa: just do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' then (if you've added edgy to all the entries in sources.list)06:52
graziermd_: forcast is mid April06:53
rmd_hm06:53
rmd_i thought it was sooner.  it thought people were using it already06:53
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graziepeople are using alpha and beta test versions06:54
B|nTaRagrazie, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.06:56
Mordicusgrazie: can I boot with the alternate CD ? (without installing, just like a live CD  ?)06:58
grazieMordicus: no. install or rescue only I think06:58
grazieB|nTaRa: all's well then07:00
B|nTaRa:)07:00
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B|nTaRathank you07:00
grazienp07:01
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B|nTaRai need help with mounting ntfs07:10
B|nTaRahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10370/07:10
rmd_B|nTaRa, are you sure you want to do that?  NTFS writing can destroy your system07:12
B|nTaRa:/07:12
B|nTaRai just wanna read em07:12
rmd_i mean, I've never had a problem with it07:12
rmd_ah07:12
Mordicusgrazie: I rebooted with Feisty, but now my laptop respond better.... O_O07:13
grazieB|nTaRa: You don't need ntfs-fuse then07:13
Mordicusgrazie: I failed to boot with the liveCD, so burning a new one...07:13
grazieMordicus: no don't need to07:13
rmd_B|nTaRa, so whats' the problem?  (X/K)Ubuntu comes with read support standard...07:13
stevenoMordicus: make sure you always check the md5 before you burn07:13
B|nTaRagrazie, any tutorials ?07:14
Mordicussteveno: Yes, usually I do....07:14
slow-motionbye07:15
grazieB|nTaRa: it's easy but this is good >> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows07:15
grazieB|nTaRa: although you don't need to install gparted to just find out what the file systems are07:16
Mordicusgrazie: so, should I keep generic VESA drivers, or try to find better drivers for my video card ? :/07:16
grazieMordicus: iirc you got a trident card?07:17
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grazieB|nTaRa: you can use 'blkid' for example to find the file system on the disk(s)07:20
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Mordicusgrazie: Yes, it's a trident card (Trident Blade 3D agp)07:25
Mordicusgrazie: I found a page with info on this card under linux (sent you a link upper)07:25
grazieMordicus: look for xserver-xorg-video-trident in synaptic and if it's there install it07:26
Mordicusok !:)07:26
grazieMordicus: if it's no good you can always use vesa again (a great fallback driver)07:26
Mordicusok07:28
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ostbagarnhow do i unmount a partition and mount it somewhere else?07:31
rmd_ostbagarn, sudo umount <current mountpoint>07:31
rmd_ostbagarn, sudo mount <device directory> <mountpoint>07:31
rmd_or something07:31
ostbagarnsudo: unmount: command not found07:33
ostbagarnups07:33
ostbagarn:p07:33
ostbagarndevice is busy :S07:33
rmd_what are you trying to umount?07:33
ostbagarna partition ive mounted as warez07:34
rmd_you wont be able to umount, say, a cd you're listening to, a floppy you're using, a usb stick that is being accessed...07:34
ostbagarni want it to be /Ftp07:34
rmd_in that case07:34
rmd_well07:34
rmd_you can try halting HD access, anything that might be writing to that partition07:35
rmd_is the partition listed in fstab?07:35
ostbagarnwhats that? :o07:35
rmd_fstab is a file that configures mounted drives, etc07:36
rmd_do me a favor and open a terminal07:36
ostbagarni have07:36
rmd_and use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to post the output of "cat /etc/fstab"07:36
rmd_still there?07:38
ostbagarnhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10375/07:38
ostbagarnhope thats right07:39
rmd_that's right, yes07:39
rmd_okay07:39
rmd_now hit f2 and type "gksu mousepad /etc/fstab"07:39
rmd_and change "/warez" to "/ftp"07:40
rmd_save and close07:40
rmd_when you reboot, the partition will be mounted to /ftp07:40
rmd_but before you reboot07:40
rmd_make sure you have created the /ftp directory07:40
rmd_if you haven't, open a terminal and type "sudo mkdir /ftp"07:40
rmd_then reboot07:41
ostbagarnyou win07:41
ostbagarnthanks07:42
rmd_no problem07:42
rmd_just remember it wont be changed until you reboot, so you might want to just go ahead and do that now07:43
ostbagarnyea07:43
ostbagarni just occured to me tho that maybe it was /home/ftp i wanted :o07:43
rmd_well07:44
colorredlol07:44
rmd_the /home directory is really for user folders07:44
ostbagarnlol indeed07:44
ostbagarnyea07:44
rmd_i wouldnt really suggest a /home/ftp directory07:44
ostbagarnok07:44
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rmd_i would prefer you do a /home/ostbagarn/ftp, but given what i think you might be trying to do, that might open you up to security risks.  i dont know, i know next to nothing about ftp servers, etc07:45
Mordicusgrazie|afk: xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed... so why Xubuntu use the vesa driver ? O_O07:45
ostbagarnhehe i know zip myself07:45
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ostbagarnmaybe one should had just mounted that partition as /home when i installed xubuntu since its way bigger07:49
rmd_ostbagarn, it doesn't matter all that much.  just need to remember where you have space and where you don't07:50
ostbagarni suppose07:51
rmd_i know a few people who have very small /homes because they keep *nothing* there07:51
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rmd_and they have complicated permissions patterns for where they do keep their data07:51
rmd_they're freaky07:51
ostbagarnhehe07:52
rmd_what format does orge support?07:54
rmd_orage?07:54
ostbagarnwhat are you thinking of?07:58
rmd_i was trying to figure out what calendar files orage recognized08:00
rmd_but i figured it out08:00
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dannydoghello08:01
dannydogcould i get some help, im new in xubuntu08:01
dannydoghow can get opera in xubuntu?08:02
ostbagarnjust ask08:02
ostbagarnyou could always go to opera.com and download it08:03
ostbagarnmight be able to get it synaptic packet manager as well08:03
\rabies\i cant delete files from hda2 dircetly, he move the files to hda1 (trash) <- this isnt nice08:05
\rabies\^sry, my english isnt so well08:05
dannydogwell08:05
dannydogisn't possible to use the apt-get opera?08:06
B|nTaRahttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10372/08:06
dannydogk08:10
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rmd_dannydog, uh... i dont know why not, i know i have08:11
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dannydogwell08:34
dannydoghow do i start the files i download from opera.com?08:35
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grazie!opera | dannydog08:37
ubotudannydog: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser08:37
dannydog!konquerer08:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konquerer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:39
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chris13so hey what is the command for starting Thunar in root mode again?08:56
chris13is it just sudo Thunar08:56
chris13or is there GTK something in there somewhere08:56
graziegksu thunar is better (or gksudo)08:58
chris13ok08:59
chris13it seems to have opened it just fine but it still gives some sort of error message09:00
chris13Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus.09:00
chris13Did not recieve a reply09:00
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graziechris13: I wouldn't worry about that09:02
chris13ok09:02
chris13thanks for your help09:02
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ForsakenSoulhey ... can some one help me ....09:40
Ant1moN_hi! do you know how to launch an app automatically on login in XFCE?09:40
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ForsakenSouli`m trying to install xubuntu 6.10 on an old pc - 300 mhz processor and doble ram ... total 65 mb09:41
ForsakenSouland i am installing it in the alternative cd and it all goes perfect09:41
ForsakenSoultill the menu Select and Install Software09:41
ForsakenSoulit reaches 65% and freezes09:41
ForsakenSoulconfigureng anthy09:42
TheSheep_on Anthy?09:42
ForsakenSoulyaea09:42
ForsakenSoulyeah09:42
TheSheep_ok, switch to the second console with alt+f209:42
TheSheep_press enter to activate it09:42
TheSheep_type 'ps x' to get the list of all processes09:42
TheSheep_see what number the anthy process has09:43
TheSheep_then type 'kill this-number-here'09:43
TheSheep_this should get the installer moving09:43
ForsakenSoulthanks09:43
ForsakenSouland is the anthy important ?09:44
TheSheep_you can reinstall anthy later if you really need working japanese input methods09:44
TheSheep_for typing japanese characters09:44
TheSheep_I think09:44
ForsakenSoulohhh09:44
TheSheep_!anthy09:44
ForsakenSoulok09:44
ubotuanthy: A Japanese input method (backend, dictionary and utility). In component main, is optional. Version 7500-1 (edgy), package size 2749 kB, installed size 10388 kB09:44
ForsakenSouldon`t neet to :D09:44
ForsakenSoulthanks09:44
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Ant1moN_do you know how to start an app at login in XFCE?09:46
grazie_Ant1moN_: two ways09:46
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grazie_Akuma_: close session with the app still iopen and make sure to save session09:47
grazie_Akuma_: add app to Autostarted Application in Settings09:47
Ant1moN_ok thx...because I want to run a command. x11vnc at startup09:51
TheSheep_Ant1moN_: you might want to investigate LTSP09:51
Ant1moN_ok thx...have to go...thank you for your help!!09:53
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Mordicushello again !10:19
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grazieMordicus: hi there10:21
Mordicushi !10:21
Mordicusthe trident package is installed, but it is not used in xorg.conf....10:22
Mordicuscan I force Xubuntu to use the Trident drivers ?10:22
grazieof course10:22
Mordicus(xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed)10:22
Mordicusbut how to ?10:22
cellofellowsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:23
Mordicusok trying...10:24
grazieMordicus: as cellofellow says or if you know what the driver module is called just edit and check the module is loaded?10:24
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Mordicusthe module loaded now (in xorg.conf) is the generic10:27
Mordicusnow I typed the command line, chosen Trident.... and answering a few questions....10:27
cellofellowjust scroll around and pick trident in that window that asks for the driver in the reconfigure thing.10:27
cellofellowok10:27
Mordicusyes I did it ! thanks !10:27
Mordicusbut what about framebuffer ??10:27
cellofellownow ctrl+alt+backspace and see if it works.10:28
cellofellowdunno10:28
cellofellowI don't know how to configure framebuffer drivers. :/10:28
cellofellowmine picks RIVA (nvidia-legacy) by default.10:28
grazieMordicus: you can try that later10:28
Mordicusbut now Xubuntu ask me a lot of questions !!!! :s10:30
MordicusI am not sure what to answer, I just click ok, not changing anything10:30
cellofellowlots of stuff on keyboard. You will have to pay attention on the monitor size stuff.10:31
cellofellowbut usually the defaults are fine10:31
grazieMordicus: did you make a backup of xorg.conf?10:31
cellofellowdo that before the config writes10:32
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Mordicusgrazie: no, I did not backup :s10:32
PuMpErNiCkLeThe reconfigure script makes a backup anyway.10:32
cellofellowit's not too late10:32
Mordicus:'(10:32
cellofellowit does, that's right10:32
cellofellowxorg.conf.somedataincludeingthedate10:33
Mordicuspray for me ! I press "ctrl+alt+backspace"10:33
cellofellowcya later10:33
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Mordicusre10:37
Mordicusre10:37
Mordicustragedy....10:37
MordicusXorg server error, I cannot boot anymore... :'(10:37
cellofellowyou can still boot10:38
MordicusI am on another PC10:38
Mordicusmy xubuntu laptop can boot...10:38
cellofellowctrl+alt+F[1-6]  to see tty terminals.10:38
Mordicusbut it stops10:39
Mordicuswith a xorg server error10:39
Mordicusfatal error10:39
Mordicusscreen not found...10:39
Mordicusand many other info I cannot understand10:39
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ForsakenSoulcan someone please help me10:39
cellofellowyou can get to a tty?10:39
cellofellow!ask | ForsakenSoul10:39
ubotuForsakenSoul: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)10:39
ForsakenSouli`m installing an xubuntu in a alternative cd10:39
ForsakenSoulhow is the stupid kill command10:40
ForsakenSouli`m typing10:40
ForsakenSoulkill 5610:40
ForsakenSoulfor killing anthy in xubuntu install10:40
Mordicuscellofellow: I've got the terminal, yes10:40
ForsakenSouland it says that there is no process10:40
cellofellowmaybe it thinks you mean signal 56, if there is one10:40
cellofellowthere are only 31 signals10:41
ForsakenSoulohh10:41
ForsakenSoulso how should i kill it10:41
ForsakenSouli`m typing ps x10:41
grazieMordicus:  ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*10:41
MordicusI was warned I should reinstall GDM...10:41
MordicusLS or 1s ???10:41
cellofellowls10:42
cellofellowcaps make big difference10:42
Mordicusok (I thought it was a ONE 1...2 ...3)10:42
cellofellowhehe.10:43
Mordicusgrazie: and next ?10:43
Mordicusit just shows me a number....10:44
Mordicus(x11, without caps, did not work ! :-o I have to type X11)10:44
grazieMordicus: yes10:45
grazieX1110:45
MordicusI did it... nothing special happened10:45
grazieit should list at least two files10:45
Mordicusoh yes!10:45
graziehow many?10:46
Mordicus210:46
cellofellowxorg.conf and xorg.conf-otherstuff?10:46
Mordicus.... xorg.conf and the other ......xorg.conf.2007445185797101 (omething like that)10:46
grazieMordicus: cd /etc/X1110:47
Mordicusthe fatal error message was (in the report) : no screens found O_O10:47
Mordicusok10:47
grazieMordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.crap10:48
grazieMordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf.2007* xorg.conf10:48
Mordicusok trying !10:49
cellofellowthen sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart10:49
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Mordicusrestarting !!10:51
graziecellofellow: isn't that broken on edgy?10:52
cellofellownot here10:52
graziek10:52
cellofellowthe gdm init script works fine10:52
graziethought there was a bug10:52
ForsakenSoulany ideas on how i can make my xubuntu install run again after it freezes on 65% configuring anthy ?10:53
MordicusNow I retry to set Xorg server ??10:53
grazieForsakenSoul: kill anthy10:53
ForsakenSoulkilled it10:54
grazieMordicus: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf.crap10:54
ForsakenSouland it when i cheked the progress10:54
ForsakenSoulit wa still stuck10:54
Mordicusit show me a driver list10:55
BFTDmy ISP hates apt-get10:55
cellofellowthat really sucks10:55
BFTDit pauses every few seconds.10:56
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ForsakenSoulby the way this is a nice thing to say that i`m installing my first linux at the moment10:56
grazieForsakenSoul: look at >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293514&page=210:56
ForsakenSouland this is my first encounter10:56
Mordicusfor me too ! :D10:56
grazieMordicus: a driver list?  not just one line?10:56
cellofellowMordicus: Driver or driver?10:57
BFTD??10:57
grazieMordicus: case is very important on linux & unix10:57
dredhammerdoes the desktop disc install of Edgy contain ndiswrapper in its repo?10:58
MordicusDriver "kbd"10:58
MordicusDriver "mouse"10:58
MordicusDriver  "synaptics"10:58
MordicusDriver "wacom"10:58
Mordicusetc, etc....10:58
MordicusDriver "trident"10:58
cellofellowgrazie: you forgot that more than one driver was involved I guess. :)10:58
grazieMordicus: sorry ...my mistake...you want trident10:58
Mordicusyes10:59
cellofellowtry grep -n Driver xorg.conf just see which line it's on10:59
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cellofellowtrident instead of Driver actually10:59
ForsakenSoulwell unfortunately kill -9 doesn`t work for me10:59
ForsakenSouli`ve killed it once already10:59
grazieMordicus: replace vesa with trident in /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:59
ForsakenSoulin my case anthy shows with 20 S and 24780 D11:00
Mordicusdo I type this : grep -n Driver xorg.conf  ???11:00
Mordicusdo I type this : grep -n Trident xorg.conf  ???11:00
cellofellowdon't worry about it11:00
ForsakenSouli type kill -9 2011:00
Mordicusok11:00
ForsakenSouland it doesn`t work11:00
grazieForsakenSoul: why 20?11:00
MordicusCan I change the identifier ? :)11:01
cellofellowMordicus: sudo vim xorg.conf, and type "/vesa" once you started, and then change vesa for trident.11:01
cellofellowyou can, but it's not neccesary.11:02
Mordicusok11:02
grazieMordicus: you know vim?11:02
Mordicusgrazie: no :/11:02
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BFTDDANGIT11:03
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Mordicuswhen I type /vesa, i get E486 pattern not found : vesa11:03
BFTDFirefox keeps crashing everytime i view a myspace profile11:03
cellofellowwell, must not be that11:04
cellofellowBFTD: that is weird11:04
MordicusI changed vesa to trident in xorg.conf, but I cannot save :(11:04
cellofellowBFTD: the Javascript console may help11:04
Mordicus"can't open file to write"11:05
cellofellowMordicus: save with esc :wq11:05
cellofellowdid you use sudo?11:05
MordicusI just opened the xorg.conf file11:05
cellofellowI think you should use nano11:05
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cellofellowexit with :q!11:05
Mordicuswith what ? ":q!" ????11:06
Mordicuswhat command is that ?11:06
BFTDWarning: Unknown property '_width'.  Declaration dropped11:06
cellofellowthe vim command11:06
cellofellowBFTD: sounds like MySpace has buggy j-script11:06
BFTDhrm11:06
Mordicussorry I am lost11:06
grazieMordicus: just enter              :q!11:07
Mordicusin xorg.conf ?11:07
grazieyour still in vim?11:07
BFTDcellofellow it just crashed on youtube too11:07
Mordicusnot, I opened the file xorg.conf to replace vesa by trident, but I cannot save :/11:07
grazieMordicus: just kit Esc key11:08
cellofellowMordicus: did you open with vim? with nano? with some graphical editor?11:08
grazieMordicus: then enter              :q!11:08
Mordicuswith mousepad !11:09
graziehehe11:09
BFTDoh11:09
BFTDI need to isntall flash11:09
BFTDI already installed it though11:09
grazieMordicus: quit mousepad11:09
ForsakenSoulohh ... every time i kill the stupid anthy with kill -9 either gives me a no such process and the number or kills it and doesn`t go on11:09
ForsakenSouli think it restarting :(11:10
cellofellowForsakenSoul: how about you try `sudo top`11:10
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Mordicuswhen I type sudo vim xorg.conf, I get an empty file :/11:10
grazieMordicus: no forget vim......sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf11:11
cellofellowMordicus: that because you editting /home/you/xorg.conf11:11
cellofelloweasiest would probably be gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the alt+f2 run dialog11:11
Mordicuscellofellow: ok !11:11
Mordicusso, in vim, I change "vesa" by "trident" ?11:12
cellofellowyeah11:12
cellofellowthen esc :wq to save and quit11:13
MordicusI saved using ctrl-O and exit :s11:14
Mordicusbut it has been saved11:14
Mordicusnow reboot ?11:15
Mordicuscellofellow: sorry I do not understand how to type ":wq".... may be because my Xubuntu is in French11:15
cellofellowjust the characters :wq11:16
Mordicusit did not work :/11:16
cellofellowunless vim is different in other languages11:16
Mordicuswhen I type : and w and q... it's like I am writing text in vim, in the xorg.conf file :/11:17
grazieyou must hit Esc key to exit insert mode first11:17
Mordicusbut it has been saved (I use the help menu with commands to save ! :) )11:18
graziegreat!11:18
graziejust restart X as before >> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart11:18
Mordicusstarting gnome display manager11:19
Mordicus(i did not reboot)11:19
Mordicusshall I press ctrl+alt+backspace ?11:19
cellofellowmakes no difference11:19
Mordicusso now I use the trident driver ??11:20
cellofellowyeah11:20
Mordicuscool ^^ :D11:20
grazieMordicus: you ARE using the trident driver...any better?11:20
Mordicusyes, it looks a little bit faster :)11:21
MordicusI would like to play a video to test any difference..11:21
MordicusI have installed mplayer11:21
Mordicusbut it cannot open my AVI file :'(11:21
grazie!codecs | Mordicus11:22
ubotuMordicus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:22
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cellofellowMordicus: and Feisty will have CNR and you'll be ably to pay for and download legal codecs, instead of this semi-legal stuff we do here.11:23
grazie!CNR11:24
Mordicussemi-legal ? :p Why ?11:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cnr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:24
graziecellofellow: CNR?11:24
cellofellowClick and Run.11:24
MordicusI can read this in the help for Fiesty11:24
cellofellowLinspire stuff11:24
MordicusClick Applications  Add/Remove. Select Other and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK11:24
vidd_laptopcnr = Clin 'n run11:24
Mordicusbut I cannot find the add/remove menu....11:24
cellofellowI don't care for it, prefer aptitude.11:25
cellofellowMordicus: it's in Other I believe11:25
cellofellowThat's for Ubuntu, that particular menu item.11:25
Mordicusah ok ^^11:26
vidd_laptop*wave* cellofellow11:29
cellofellow*wave*11:29
MordicusI cannot find the "Ubuntu restricted extras" :s11:30
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cellofellow!mp311:31
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats11:31
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Mordicu2I am here (Mordicus)11:31
cellofellowok11:32
cellofellowone minute then11:32
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Mordicu2why does Xubuntu use Firefox 1.05 and not version 2.02 ? is it lighter ???11:34
vidd_laptopMordicu2, cuzz you didnt run the update?11:35
cellofellowXubuntu Dapper uses 1.5 cause it's just older. 2.0 is actually a little faster.11:35
cellofellowEdgy has 2.011:35
cellofellow2.0.0.2 to be precise11:35
vidd_laptopas does fiesty11:35
cellofellow!firefox dapper11:35
ubotufirefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.10-0ubuntu0.6.06.2 (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB11:35
cellofellow!firefox edgy11:35
ubotufirefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB11:36
vidd_laptop!firefox fiesty11:36
ubotufirefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB11:36
vidd_laptop...11:36
cellofellowMordicu2: on this page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats, you see the box with the apt-get command? do that11:37
cellofellowforget the ogle and gxine bit though11:37
cellofellowand do mplayer instead. :)11:37
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Mordicu2yes, I go with mplayer11:38
Mordicu2I need extra codec, it's very important since I use many different video11:39
cellofellowMplayer uses any codec you throw at it11:39
cellofelloww32codecs in particular11:39
grazie Mordicu2 RE: Firefox - I don't understand as you installed Feisty?11:40
Mordicu2grazie: oh yes ! sorry ! it's version 2 now ! But I noticed the last time, when I installed the 6.10, that mozilla 1.5 was installed11:41
cellofellowif you installed Edgy before it was released, Firefox 2 wasn't released yet.11:42
grazieMordicu2: Well ubuntu is only released every 6 months11:42
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cellofellowyou had some hack going on? extensions or something?11:43
vidd_laptopyeah11:43
vidd_laptopit wont work with firefox 2.0 for some reason11:44
Mordicu2libdvdcss2... I get an error message trying to install libdvdcss211:44
Mordicu2dependencie is not satisfied11:44
cellofellowuse Gdebi11:44
vidd_laptopthat is the -dev11:44
Mordicu2*dependency is not satisfiable11:44
Mordicu2I tried, I could not install it11:45
Mordicu2 sudoapt-getinstallgdebi11:45
vidd_laptopyou need to get the NON -dev11:45
Mordicu2won't work11:45
cellofellowgdebi already installed I think11:45
Mordicu2I followed the instructions on the help age :s11:45
Mordicu2page11:45
vidd_laptopMordicu2, did you get libdvdcss or libdvdcss-dev?11:46
Mordicu2ok.. may be not the good packaage11:46
cellofellowhttp://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/11:46
Mordicu2it's dev, you're right ! I did not pay attention to this11:46
cellofellowuse that to get libdvdcss2 ^11:46
=== vidd_laptop had the same issue
Mordicu2the download page is not clear at all -_-11:48
vidd_laptopMordicu2, libdvdcss-dev requires libdvdcss11:48
Mordicu2I get this one : libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb11:48
Mordicu2now it seems to work11:49
vidd_laptopyep11:49
Mordicu2I still get an error when I try to play an avi file :(11:52
cellofellowyou need w32codecs11:52
cellofellowand use mplayer11:52
Mordicu2i typed this :11:53
Mordicu2wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb11:53
Mordicu2and it was ok i think11:53
Mordicu2next I tried to read the avi file with mplayer, and it crashed :s11:53
cellofellowavi is a container, like Ogg, and can have a number of codecs in it.11:54
cellofellowOgg can have Vorbis audio streams, Theora video streams, multiples of both, etc.11:54
Mordicu2but what can I do next ?11:55
cellofellow:/ dunno11:55
cellofellowI think mplayer can use libxine-extracodecs11:56
cellofellowif you don't have that11:56
Mordicu2error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device11:56
cellofellowoh, hehe11:56
cellofellowopen gmplayer, and select x11 as the output plugin in the preferences11:57
Mordicu2what ?11:57
cellofellowit had trouble outputing11:57
cellofellowgmplayer is mplayer GTK frontend11:57
cellofellowmplayer is a CLI app.11:58
Mordicu2-_- I am lost11:58
Mordicu2But I am following your instruction :D11:58
cellofellowit's included in the package mplayer, don't worry11:58
cellofellowjust open mplayer from the menu11:58
Mordicu2there are many X11 drivers available....11:59
cellofellowjust use xv, it gives me no problems11:59
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Mordicu2I selected it, I get the same error :(12:00
cellofellowtry x1112:00
Mordicu2when you asked me to select the output plugin, you were speaking about the driver, right ? (in preferences)12:01
cellofellowyeah12:01
cellofellowVideo Drivers12:01
Mordicu2ok :)12:02
Mordicu2well I get some image but.... :p12:02
Mordicu2audio problem...12:02
cellofellowadjust the audio drivers too. :)12:02
Mordicu2requested audio codec family....12:02
Mordicu2mp3 not available in compilation12:02
Mordicu2afm=mp3lib12:03
cellofellowI get that when I play AVI's, but it still plays the sound12:03
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Mordicu2aaudio driver is Alsa...12:03
cellofellowuse that12:03
Mordicu2so where the error comes from ? :(12:04
Mordicu2my sound is very bad12:04
cellofellowthat's a codec problem12:04
Mordicu2mp3 (afm=mp3lib) is a special codec ?12:05
cellofellowA codec is just a file format.12:05
Mordicu2well the best way to get rid of that message is to choose ffmpeg as ur audio codec when u choose it from preferences12:11
Mordicu2that should get rid of that error12:11
Mordicu2(I found that here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34385612:12
Mordicu2but I do not have ffmpeg in audio preferences :/12:12
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