[12:23] <Mordicus> really ? but they are installed by themselves when you select the language, no ?
[12:26] <grazie> installing the language packs can cause problems on low spec machines (during the xubuntu install). Install later if required would be my advice
[12:37] <Mordicus> grazie: ok, thanks for the advice :)
[12:37] <Mordicus> but I selected French as language... so I am afraid the language packets will be installed :s
[12:40] <grazie> the extra language packs get installed at about 90%...you should get the option to skip
[12:41] <Mordicus> ok ! :)
[12:42] <Mordicus> 51% -_-
[12:42] <Mordicus> is it possible that my dvd-rom is slow because proper drivers are not installed ?
[12:48] <ostbagarn> probably not
[12:53] <Mordicus> ok, thank you.
[12:54] <wes_1977> is setting up a wireless network any different in xubuntu than in ubuntu?
[02:57] <cclampblues> eiei  yo
[03:06] <cclampblues> i got a wifi question: how do/can i access settings (wep wpa) in xubuntu for a wireless network card (laptop)
[03:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wifi-radar seems to be popular.
[03:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info wifi-radar
[03:12] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[03:14] <clarklinux> I'm having trouble installing installing xubuntu 6.10 on my powerbook g3 (ppc). is there anyone who can help me?
[03:16] <grazie> clarklinux: what's the problem?
[03:18] <clarklinux> hi grazie: I burned the alternate installation iso image for xubuntu and I'm trying to boot my powerbook g3 lombard from it (by holding down c or command alt shift del)
[03:18] <clarklinux> and what happens is an icon pops up with a folder that has the finder icon blinking with a question mark as the cd drive revs
[03:19] <clarklinux> that happens for a while and then it just goes into normal os 9 startup
[03:19] <clarklinux> i'm very new to this, so please excuse me if I'm doing something dumb here
[03:19] <grazie> ok
[03:20] <grazie> can you open the cd in os9
[03:20] <clarklinux> no
[03:20] <clarklinux> right after startup, before it goes to the desktop, a dialog box comes up
[03:20] <clarklinux> prompting me to format the disc because it cannot reda it
[03:20] <clarklinux> i had hear of problems with 700 meg CDRs on older macs, so i tested it by putting in an audio 700 meg CDR
[03:21] <clarklinux> and it read it fine
[03:21] <clarklinux> *had heard
[03:21] <grazie> did you verify the md5sum of the image download?
[03:23] <clarklinux> i'm not exactly sure if I did, but i used K3b on my desktop (suse 9.2) and before it burns, it has loading bar with the label "md5 sum" and I waited until it had finished that and found no problem with it
[03:23] <clarklinux> *has a loading bar
[03:24] <clarklinux> after it finished it put a check mark next to the label and the loading bar was replaced by what I guess is an md5 value (not sure exactly what md5 is, I used it superficially in php)
[03:24] <grazie> can you read the cd ok from suse?
[03:24] <clarklinux> let me try
[03:26] <clarklinux> yup, suse reads it fine
[03:27] <grazie> i can make a few suggestions
[03:28] <clarklinux> oaky
[03:28] <grazie> !burn | clarklinux
[03:28] <ubotu> clarklinux: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[03:28] <clarklinux> whoa, that's nifty
[03:28] <grazie> burning cds slowly x4 or less often helps
[03:29] <grazie> can you burn the cd on the mac?
[03:30] <clarklinux> no, the drive cannot burn discs
[03:31] <clarklinux> my sister has a new intel macbook
[03:31] <clarklinux> should I try burning it on that?
[03:31] <grazie> seems odd you can't even read the cd from os9
[03:31] <clarklinux> forgive my ignorance, but does the speed difference between the drives of my desktop and laptop make a difference?
[03:32] <grazie> yes, very often it does
[03:32] <clarklinux> how do I adress that problem? by burning the disc at a much lower speed?
[03:33] <clarklinux> does the speed have to be less than the speed of the cd drive on the mac? (24x)
[03:33] <clarklinux> *have to be much less
[03:34] <grazie> yes, burning CDRs slowly make it easier for them to be read, especially older machines
[03:35] <clarklinux> also,does the disc writing mode on K3b (DAO, TAO, RAW) have anything to do with it?
[03:35] <clarklinux> ok
[03:36] <grazie> I don't think so. what's the slowest available speed?
[03:36] <clarklinux> the slowest available speed on k3b is 1x
[03:36] <clarklinux> then 2x and 4x
[03:36] <Mordicus> hello
[03:36] <grazie> have fast did you do the last burn?
[03:37] <clarklinux> it was set to auto
[03:37] <Mordicus> grazie: hi again Grazie !
[03:37] <clarklinux> so i'm not exactly sure
[03:37] <grazie> Mordicus: hi there
[03:37] <Mordicus> grazie: my installation stopped at 87%.... while setting the clok :'(
[03:38] <grazie> clarklinux: probably too quick. Follow the burn how to guide and try burning at x4 or less
[03:38] <grazie> Mordicus: oh dear!
[03:38] <Mordicus> grazie: is it a known bug ?
[03:38] <Mordicus> grazie: do I have to restart everything from the begining ?
[03:39] <grazie> Mordicus: I don't think it's a known bug
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> hey all
[03:40] <clarklinux> grazie: thank you so much -- i'll come back and let you know how it turns out
[03:40] <grazie> Mordicus: There's no easy to restart from where to it got up to
[03:40] <grazie> vidd_laptop: hi there
[03:41] <grazie> Mordicus: I network install may be good for you?
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> Odd_Bloke, ormiret  i installed dapper and got the bcm43xx driver to work without issue [as per the instructions on the wiki] 
[03:41] <Mordicus> grazie: so I trying again with the minimal CD... do I have to install the "server" only?
[03:42] <Mordicus> grazie: yes, network install, with the minimal CD... but it is ubuntu, and I want to be sure to install Xubuntu
[03:43] <grazie> Mordicus: the base install is the same for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu
[03:44] <Mordicus> grazie: so I use the server installation ? or the default installation ?
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> couldit be caused by installing the command line, and THEN apt-getting the desktop that causes the issue?
[03:45] <grazie> !install | Mordicus
[03:45] <ubotu> Mordicus: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:45] <grazie> Mordicus: which do you mean?
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> is it possible that something is installed during desktop install that is missed in the apt-get?
[03:46] <Mordicus> grazie: When using the minimal CD to start, I'm asked if I want the default installation, or the server installtion....
[03:46] <Mordicus> server installation = base only
[03:46] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, you want the default
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> server will install server apps
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> over the default install
[03:47] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: but it is Ubuntu minimal install... :/ I wanted Xubuntu
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, what you want is ubuntu-minimal+xubuntu...
[03:47] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: ok ! never mind, I'll learn to change later :)
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> not ubuntu-minimal+UBUNTU
[03:48] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: oh ! :-o
[03:48] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: ok !
[03:48] <vidd_laptop> the desktop will get installed LATER....
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> and the gesktop [and assosiated apps]  is the ONLY difference between the *buntu's
[03:49] <Mordicus> ok
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> once your minimal is installed....you will want to sudo aptitude udpate && sudo aptitute install xubuntu-desktop to get the full Xubuntu experience
[03:53] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: ok ! the network install looks complex :s
[03:54] <Mordicus> which minimal CD shall I use ? Feisty or Edgy ?
[03:54] <Mordicus> can I try Feisty ?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, you dont have a disk to download a full alt-cd?
[03:55] <Mordicus> yes, I can
[03:55] <Mordicus> alternate CD ?
[03:55] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, you can try it....not sure if there is a minimal cd available
[03:55] <Mordicus> for Feisy, yes, there is one too
[03:56] <Mordicus> *feisty
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, the alt cd is a complete insataller...includes the desktop
[03:57] <Mordicus> and what will happen with minimal cd ?
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> it does not run the desktop environment in your ram...so it is better for lightweight systems
[03:57] <Mordicus> can't it donwload all the others files ?
[03:57] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: ok...!
[03:57] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> sure....it takes longer to get the ISO....put it is worth it to m with my linux-hostile equiptment
[04:02] <Mordicus> minimal CD started ! :) it's like the alternate install text interface, but it donwload package from the network! it works great and faster ! :p
[04:03] <j1mc> Mordicus: pretty neat.  do you have a local server that you use to install from?
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, you using the fiesty minimal?
[04:04] <j1mc> did anyone else's xfce4-terminal break with the most recent feisty updates?
[04:05] <j1mc> i have an unmet dependency and no xfce4-terminal on my amd64 box.
[04:06] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, hmmmm maybe i should wait till tommorrow's build to get fiesty
[04:07] <clarklinux> grazie: i burned the disc at 2x, had it verify the md5 sum, and it's still just revving when i try to boot from it. any ideas?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, where did you find a minimal cd in fiesty?
[04:07] <Mordicus> j1mc: I have a router (local connection) and linux found it automatically ! I did not need to set any server parameters :)
[04:07] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:07] <j1mc> Mordicus: what do you mean, "found it automatically"?  it found it on the web?
[04:08] <Mordicus> j1mc: I just plugged my network cable into mu laptop and the minimal CD checked my hardware and found it...
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> j1mc, his network card is supported by the kernal, and DHCP worked for him
[04:08] <Mordicus> j1mc: (sorry I am linux/network newbie, not sure I can explain very clear)
[04:09] <Mordicus> j1mc: *very clearly
[04:09] <grazie> clarklinux: I can't give you a definite answer, but some Macs have real problems booting linux cd
[04:09] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, did you burn the cd from the MAC?
[04:10] <clarklinux> nope
[04:10] <clarklinux> from the linux
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> ...
[04:10] <grazie> clarklinux:  using an alternative cdrom usually solves the problem
[04:10] <j1mc> Mordicus: you should report that as a successful test install (if you're using Feisty)
[04:10] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, from linux ON THE MAC?
[04:10] <Mordicus> j1mc: where to ???
[04:10] <clarklinux> what do you mean by alternative cdrom?
[04:10] <j1mc> clarklinux: i take it that your cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first
[04:11] <grazie> clarklinux: do you have access to a firewire cdrom?
[04:11] <j1mc> Mordicus: read here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-March/003284.html
[04:11] <clarklinux> grazie: no I do not
[04:11] <clarklinux> grazie: i'm not sure what you mean by my cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first
[04:12] <j1mc> clarklinux: sorry, that your computer is set to boot from the cdrom before the hard drive . . .
[04:12] <grazie> clarklinux: no. it's actually the firmware on some cdroms that causes the problems
[04:13] <j1mc> clarklinux: it would be a setting in your bios . . . you could change the setting at boot.
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, if you burned your cd on a x86 or ADM64 machine and you are running a NON-Intel mac...your mac hardware MAY have issues reading the cd (if its a live cd)
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> not sure about the alt
[04:13] <grazie> clarklinux: the firmware can sometimes be patched but it's a bit risky
[04:13] <clarklinux> grazie: not it is not...I have to hold either "c" or "command alt shift delete"
[04:13] <Mordicus> personnaly, I would recommend (noob recommendation) to use the minimal CD install to avoid problems with CD checksum...everything is donwloading from the web, it goes faster :)
[04:13] <clarklinux> grazie: i'm using the alt cd
[04:14] <clarklinux> grazie: i also just got a dialog box saying that it cannot read the disk...it wants to format it to "macos standard 602.1 mb"...is that the max it can read?
[04:14] <grazie> clarklinux: no. i think your getting confused between pc bios and open firmware
[04:14] <clarklinux> grazie: I'm sorry, i'm lost
[04:15] <grazie> clarklinux: the firmware I'm referring to is inside the cdrom itself
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, did you brn the cd from a mac running linux or a PC running linux?
[04:15] <clarklinux> grazie: a pc running linux
[04:15] <grazie> vidd_laptop: the mac can't burn
[04:15] <clarklinux> grazie: sorry if that was a crucial fact I left out
[04:16] <grazie> clarklinux: no problem....it's only affects a small number of macs
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> and the mac cant read pc disks
[04:16] <clarklinux> so i need to burn this from a mac?
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> it would be EASIER
[04:17] <clarklinux> is the other method very compicated?
[04:17] <grazie> clarklinux: I don't think it will help
[04:17] <clarklinux> okay
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> that is why grazie is asking about your firmware....
[04:17] <clarklinux> okay
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> [i think] 
[04:18] <grazie> clarklinux: it probably your cdrom... can be replaced of course but...
[04:18] <clarklinux> the cdrom drive works fine with other cds
[04:18] <grazie> yes it an apple thing!
[04:18] <Mordicus> Clarklinux, you should try what i am doing : if you have a network connection, download and burn the "Minimal CD" (only 8Mo), then it will install the system from internet... I had a lot of trouble with CD too, but with internet it goes really FFAASSTTEERR :)
[04:19] <grazie> it booting none mac os that's the problem
[04:19] <clarklinux> exactly
[04:19] <j1mc> Mordicus: you must have a fast internet connection
[04:19] <clarklinux> it will not recognize the cd
[04:19] <Mordicus> j1mc: yes, ADSL 8Mo
[04:19] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, he needs to get his mac to READ that cd for it to work!
[04:20] <grazie> Mordicus: will not solve the problem...still need to boot a linux kernel
[04:20] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: oops, sorry... >_<
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> can your mac boot from a usb drive?
[04:20] <Mordicus> I got a lot of problem with ISO burning...
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> you might try the minimal on that.....
[04:20] <Mordicus> that's why I am very happy with the network installation
[04:21] <clarklinux> i'm not sure
[04:21] <clarklinux> never tried it
[04:21] <clarklinux> its OS 9
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, i cant find the minimal cd for fiesty!
[04:21] <clarklinux> pre-usb drives
[04:21] <clarklinux> so i don't think so
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, break out the floppies!
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:21] <clarklinux> hahaha
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> 3 floppies to install
[04:22] <clarklinux> no floppy drive on the mac
[04:22] <clarklinux> thanks for the suggestion though
[04:22] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[04:22] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: it is on this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[04:23] <clarklinux> grzie: so you think that there is a problem with my cdrom drive?
[04:23] <grazie> clarklinux: a network install may be possible, but it's not easy..
[04:23] <grazie> clarklinux: most likely...I can't be certain
[04:23] <clarklinux> hmm
[04:23] <Mordicus> woah woah woah !!!!!!!!!!
[04:23] <Mordicus> the minimal CD is a genius !!! :D
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, wow..that WAS fast!
[04:24] <grazie> Mordicus: surprisingly few people do it!
[04:24] <Mordicus> now he just asking me if I want : ubuntu, xubuntu, etc..... ! :p
[04:24] <clarklinux> sorry if this is ignorant, but if I could get the install files to the mac through a regular (not iso) disk, could I install it?
[04:24] <Mordicus> I just have to select Xubuntu... and it is going on to install ! :D
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> sorta...
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> you need to have it in a bootable section
[04:25] <Mordicus> clarklinux: USB key ??
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> its rather tricky
[04:25] <clarklinux> mordicus: i don't think OS9 can even read those
[04:25] <clarklinux> hmmm
[04:25] <Mordicus> clarklinux: OS9 ? oops..
[04:25] <Mordicus> clarklinux: it can read them, but booting is more difficult...
[04:26] <clarklinux> ah
[04:26] <clarklinux> so again just to clarify, nobody thinks that burning the disk from another mac would help?
[04:26] <clarklinux> okay
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> as long as it is an OS9 mac
[04:27] <clarklinux> oh
[04:27] <clarklinux> well scratch that then haha
[04:27] <Mordicus> It may help because I had A LOT OF problem with my disks drive and with my CDRW... :s
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> is your OTHER mac an intel-mac?
[04:27] <clarklinux> yep
[04:27] <clarklinux> a new macbook
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> there-in liesthe issue
[04:27] <clarklinux> yeah i see
[04:27] <grazie> clarklinux: it may help...but unlikely
[04:28] <clarklinux> grazie: i don't understand how there could be a problem with the cdrom drive if it reads other cds fine
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> clarklinux, can you make a bootable section?
[04:28] <clarklinux> vidd: if I could I don't know how
[04:29] <Mordicus> If Clarklinux has a fast internet connection, he should try to burn a minimal CD... it is so small, that I 'm sure there are less writing/reading errors possible
[04:29] <clarklinux> is it an iso disk
[04:29] <grazie> clarklinux: apple modified their cdrom firmware so that you can't boot mac os with any old cdrom
[04:29] <clarklinux> hmm
[04:29] <clarklinux> what if i formatted the HD
[04:29] <clarklinux> there's nothing on there i need and i have the os 9 software if i need it
[04:29] <clarklinux> if all else fails and i need to reinstall it
[04:30] <Mordicus> the firmware is OS independent... no ?
[04:30] <grazie> clarklinux: however it sometimes makes it very difficult to boot linux
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> Mordicus, if he cant get get the boot disk to boot, it dont MATTER what is on it
[04:30] <Mordicus> I mean, the CD-rom firmware
[04:30] <Mordicus> but it may be a problem with download or burning the CD-rom, no ?
[04:30] <clarklinux> grazie: in what way? would it be apparent at the start, or would it be some kind of tricky situation that i get entangled in further down the road
[04:31] <clarklinux> mordicus: i used k3b and I checked the md5 sum...it worked on my desktop (suse 9.2)
[04:31] <grazie> clarklinux: it simply that you can't boot the linux cd
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> clark....did you get the PPC version?????
[04:31] <clarklinux> vidd: yep
[04:32] <Mordicus> I have to CRW at home, and some ISO won't run if they are burnt with one of these two :s
[04:32] <clarklinux> grazie: if you think that there's a decent chance that formatting the HD would do it, i have no problem doing it
[04:32] <Mordicus> *I have 2 CDRW drive
[04:32] <vidd_laptop> he said it worked on his desktop...an x86 machine....
[04:32] <clarklinux> because it it doesn't work then I can just reinstall os9
[04:32] <grazie> clarklinux: no
[04:32] <clarklinux> okay.
[04:32] <Mordicus> vidd_laptop: ah ok, I didn't know :(
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> well........im off to try this net install
[04:33] <vidd_laptop> wish me luck!
[04:33] <clarklinux> should I try a different burning program? would there be any sort of plugin i could get for k3b to burn os9 friendly isos?
[04:33] <clarklinux> thanks vidd for your help
[04:33] <clarklinux> good luck
[04:36] <Mordicus> good luck !
[04:37] <grazie> clarklinux: I think these your options
[04:37] <grazie> clarklinux: 1. new cdrom - no guarantees it'll work
[04:37] <grazie> clarklinux: 2. install os on another ppc machine and copy over
[04:38] <grazie> clarklinux: 3. take the hd out of laptop and install os on another machine - tricky removing hd
[04:38] <grazie> clarklinux: 4. network install - hard to set up
[04:38] <clarklinux> grazie: i know that os9 touts being able to boot from the network
[04:39] <clarklinux> how would I set this up? (if I were to use my suse desktop)
[04:40] <grazie> clarklinux: it's open firmware that needs to network boot I think - but I never needed to do it
[04:40] <clarklinux> not sure what that means
[04:41] <grazie> clarklinux: your g3 is new world?
[04:41] <clarklinux> i bought it on ebay running OSX 10.2
[04:41] <clarklinux> i don't know any other way to tell if it's new world
[04:42] <grazie> if it's new world it'll have open firmware
[04:43] <clarklinux> what does that mean and how do I determine whether or not it's new world
[04:43] <clarklinux> i know that I can select "startup from network"
[04:43] <grazie> open firmware is similar to pc bios
[04:43] <grazie> what machine is it exactly?
[04:43] <clarklinux> powerbook g3 lombard
[04:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's NewWorld.
[04:45] <clarklinux> thank you
[04:45] <clarklinux> so how would I go about setting up a network boot?
[04:46] <grazie> clarklinux: you'll need to google....although I think there's a guide in ubuntu wiki...but it will be tricky
[04:48] <clarklinux> i'm reading the wiki now
[04:48] <clarklinux> i think i will try burning the disk from my sister's computer
[04:49] <clarklinux> because they're both new world, so they should have the same type of formatting, correct?
[04:49] <clarklinux> or no, sorry we established they wouldn't
[04:49] <clarklinux> intel vs ppc
[04:49] <clarklinux> mm
[04:49] <clarklinux> well i'll go on from here by myself
[04:49] <clarklinux> thank you so much for all your help
[04:49] <grazie> you're welcome
[04:49] <clarklinux> bye
[05:15] <odat> hi everyone
[05:16] <odat> i have installed feisty xubuntu on a few machine now and i noticed something
[05:16] <odat> when i upgrade to feisty i get a hard drive icon a floppy icon and a trash icon on the desktop
[05:16] <odat> when i do a fresh install i just get a floppy icon
[05:16] <odat> how can i get all those icons on a fresh install?
[05:18] <odat> ?
[05:25] <null__> ok
[05:25] <null__> that is a good question :D!
[05:26] <null__> first, you must
[05:26] <null__> OMG ZOMBIE ATTACK! ahh!! brb
[05:27] <null__> ok, you must edit the config file that the live cd uses
[05:27] <null__> or wherever the install is getting directions from
[05:27] <null__> and by the config file
[05:27] <null__> i mean, some configs somewhere
[05:27] <null__> thereforeh, technically, i cannot be wrong with my solution o_o
[05:27] <null__> oh shit, microsoft is going to knock my door down and make me work for them :(
[05:31] <Eagle_101> odat
[05:31] <Eagle_101> what does your fstab look like?
[05:32] <Eagle_101> gah
[05:32] <Eagle_101> /etc/fstab
[05:32] <Eagle_101> he needed to edit that
[05:39] <Eagle_101> !code
[05:39] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[06:02] <cclampblues> how do you get linux to play wma or quicktime files?
[06:05] <Eagle_101> !wma
[06:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:05] <Eagle_101> !quicktime
[06:06] <Eagle_101> cclampblues; does that help at all?
[06:07] <cclampblues> yeah i didnt know that guy was around
[06:07] <Eagle_101> ubotu?
[06:07] <Eagle_101> its a bot ;)
[06:08] <cclampblues> !plans to kill all humans
[06:09] <Eagle_101> heh
[06:20] <cclampblues> thanks eagle101 and bot.
[06:20] <cclampblues> what is the keyboard shortcut to open a terminal window
[06:20] <cclampblues> ?
[06:22] <cclampblues> !terminal
[06:22] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:43] <meborc> hey guys... trying to install the newest conky from source (1.4.5)... but it tells me while configuring that a lXdamage extension is missing... any one here had success in installing the new version?
[08:47] <kraut> moin
[09:47] <hyper> !nvidia
[09:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <hyper> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:52] <El_Angelo> is the nvidia legacy driver somewhere?
[09:53] <El_Angelo> !nvidia-legacy
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia-legacy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:24] <mekke> !nvidia
[10:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <mekke> anyway to enable the shade on scroll on window title bar?
[10:28] <mekke> still listening...
[11:50] <hyper> sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[11:50] <hyper> ups :)
[12:04] <rubmeister> hi
[12:05] <rubmeister> i was wondering if someone here could help me?
[12:06] <TheSheep> !ask
[12:06] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:06] <rubmeister> :P
[12:07] <rubmeister> well,  im quite new in linux, and i wanted to try out xubuntu, cause i heard it's good for older pc's, so i was wondering if i should choose the alternative cd or the desktop cd? i still want to have my windows to
[12:08] <TheSheep> the difference between the live cd and the alternate cd is that you can run xubuntu from live cd without installing it, but it needs much more ram
[12:09] <El_Angelo> TheSheep: you saw my question about the scrolling? where the hell did you disable it?
[12:09] <TheSheep> xubuntu will not touch your windows without your permission -- you will still be able to boot into it from the menu at the beginning (after pressing esc at boot)
[12:09] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: what scrolling?
[12:09] <El_Angelo> scrolling on the window borders on a vanilla xfwm4 results in shading it...
[12:10] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: yes, it's very handy, I use it all the time
[12:10] <rubmeister> well my pc is a 450 mhz with 128 mb ram, 15 gb hd
[12:10] <El_Angelo> doesn't work on this xubuntu i just installed...
[12:10] <El_Angelo> hmmm
[12:10] <El_Angelo> could it be just the theme?
[12:10] <rubmeister> should i choose the alternate cd ?
[12:10] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: I don't think so
[12:11] <El_Angelo> then why doesn't it work?
[12:11] <El_Angelo> hmmm
[12:11] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: but I just remembered I have compiled the xfwm4 myself to have the gimp patch
[12:11] <El_Angelo> i actually haven't tested if the scroll button works at all....
[12:11] <El_Angelo> that would be pretty dumb
[12:11] <El_Angelo> hmmm
[12:15] <El_Angelo> meh
[12:15] <El_Angelo> it's indeed that
[12:15] <El_Angelo> kvm is not passing scrolling events
[12:15] <El_Angelo> sorry for the noise
[12:16] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: no problem, still remember the desktop icons thing :)
[12:17] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: btw, it's OT here, but do you maybe know how and where thunar stores its bookmarks?
[12:17] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: I'd like to try and make a panel applet displaying them
[12:18] <El_Angelo> the bookmarks are a gtk thing
[12:18] <El_Angelo> you can see them as well in the gtk file chooser
[12:18] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: I coudn't find nethier any .desktop files nor single config file for them
[12:18] <El_Angelo> ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[12:18] <El_Angelo> ;)
[12:18] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: thank, how could I miss them...
[12:19] <El_Angelo> if you don't know that they are actually gtk stuff :)
[12:19] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: I did kno that
[12:19] <El_Angelo> :)
[12:19] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: well, at least suspected
[12:19] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: because thunar could have extended them somehow
[12:19] <TheSheep> you know, emblems and things
[12:20] <El_Angelo> they are not really on the bookmarks
[12:20] <El_Angelo> they are on the folders themselves
[12:20] <TheSheep> yes, now I can see it :)
[12:20] <TheSheep> thank you
[12:20] <El_Angelo> you can't set the emblem in the bookmarks panel
[12:21] <TheSheep> El_Angelo: do you mamybe remember any reson why Thunar doesn't disply the devices and bookmarks in the "go" menu? I coudn't find any reasoning on the wiki...
[12:22] <El_Angelo> nope
[12:22] <El_Angelo> nothing in the bugtracker?
[12:22] <TheSheep> ah, may be
[12:24] <TheSheep> nope, I'll add a feature request :D
[12:46] <leaphisto> what do i have to do to share my internet connection from my linux server to my windows client?
[12:49] <TheSheep> leaphisto: second network card in the linux box
[12:49] <leaphisto> i have it already
[12:49] <leaphisto> the point is to do the masquerading
[12:49] <leaphisto> i don't know how to
[12:50] <TheSheep> leaphisto: well, lots of tutorials for that in the Net, anything that works for debian will work for ubuntu too
[12:51] <leaphisto> ...
[12:51] <leaphisto> i don't have an access to www through this computer
[12:51] <leaphisto> that's why I'm asking here.
[12:52] <TheSheep> I have to run in several minutes, so I won't give you step by step tutorial, maybe somone else
[12:53] <totalwormage> anyone knows where i report a typo in xubuntu english usa
[12:54] <totalwormage> english usa isn't actually a 'translation' so it's not on launchpad
[12:54] <totalwormage> (or was it already freezed)
[12:55] <leaphisto> TheSheep: that's okay. thanks anyway
[01:16] <kumamoto> wiki
[01:16] <kumamoto> ls
[01:16] <kumamoto> cd
[01:16] <kumamoto> ls
[01:16] <leaphisto> okay.
[01:16] <kumamoto> oh crap
[01:16] <leaphisto> :D
[01:16] <kumamoto> am must be going mad
[01:17] <leaphisto> possibly.
[01:17] <kumamoto> leaphisto: u say u r linux box has 2 nics right?
[01:17] <leaphisto> yeah.
[01:17] <leaphisto> one to the adsl-modem, one to my switch
[01:18] <leaphisto> eth0 goes to my switch, eth1 goes to my adsl-box
[01:18] <kumamoto> and you want it to act as a router for your other pcs'?
[01:18] <leaphisto> yes
[01:19] <leaphisto> it's iptables MASQUERADE somethingsomething
[01:19] <leaphisto> but i don't know what
[01:20] <kumamoto> ok for now can u r other pc connect without iptables?
[01:20] <leaphisto> yes
[01:20] <leaphisto> that's how I'm ircing atm
[01:21] <kumamoto> then you shouldn't a problem accessing the interworld
[01:22] <leaphisto> well i am having a problem to access www with my windows-machine through my linux box
[01:23] <kumamoto> irc chat client on the windows or linux box
[01:24] <leaphisto> on linux box
[01:24] <leaphisto> windows box cannot connect to internet at all
[01:24] <leaphisto> it can connect to linux but no internet
[01:24] <leaphisto> so basically: winpc -> linuxserver -| internet
[01:25] <leaphisto> when it should be: winpc -> linuxserver -> internet -> grannyporn!!! whee!!!
[01:26] <kumamoto> ok u r public nic gets a public ipaddr from your isp right
[01:26] <leaphisto> yes
[01:26] <leaphisto> through dhclient
[01:26] <kumamoto> ok
[01:27] <kumamoto> what is the routing of your private nic
[01:27] <leaphisto> ummm?
[01:28] <leaphisto> what do you mean by that?
[01:28] <leaphisto> where it is connected, or what?
[01:29] <leaphisto> kumamoto: ?
[01:38] <kumamoto> sorry leaphisto got distracted
[01:40] <leaphist0> kumamoto: that's okay, did you receive any messages from me?
[01:40] <leaphist0> apparently i gotta register my nick
[01:40] <leaphist0> :(
[01:41] <kumamoto> nope didn't
[01:41] <leaphist0> okay.
[01:42] <kumamoto> by the way do u have an old pc lying around somewhere
[01:43] <leaphisto> kumamoto: nope
[01:46] <kumamoto> damn they come in handy for this task
[01:46] <leaphisto> :)
[01:46] <leaphisto> possibly
[01:46] <leaphisto> did you get my messages now?
[02:48] <cinnander> hey guys
[02:51] <cinnander> I just installed 3ddesktop (and it worked ok) & tried to make a panel button to launch it, but when I did so and returned from 3d-mode my panels (top and bottom) were both gone, logging off/on and/or rebooting doesn't fix it .. I have to run xfce4-panel manually every time I log in :|
[02:51] <cinnander> So, was wondering if anyone might know likely cause-- I'm thinking dead config/autorun script somewhere caused by some bug when i tried to make my launcher?
[02:54] <grazie> cinnander: after you've started the xfce4-panel successfully make sure you save session on exit. The problem is a buggy xfce4-panel app I think
[02:55] <blizz> is /etc/network/interfaces able to carry information about network bridges?
[03:00] <hyper_ch> hiho
[03:02] <Vilhelms> I'm having a problem. I just installed xubuntu-desktop using aptitude and when I try to login to the Xfce session I get an error that my X session lasted than 10 seconds. When I click view details I get the following message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10339/plain/
[03:03] <Vilhelms> lasted less than 10 seconds**
[03:05] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: does that user exist?  No profile for user 'jfanaian' found
[03:05] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I log in as jfanaian
[03:06] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, So I'm assuming the user exists
[03:06] <hyper_ch> hmmm, strange... no profile...
[03:06] <hyper_ch> create a new user and try to login as taht one then
[03:06] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, And I can find it in the /etc/passwd file
[03:06] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Okay
[03:06] <blizz> fyi, found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[03:07] <Vilhelms> brb
[03:09] <hyper_ch> it works?
[03:09] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Creating a new user fixed it, but I want to use the account I already have :(
[03:10] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: hmmm....
[03:10] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I'll try searching online and see if anyone else has had the same issue
[03:11] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I figured that wasn't the issue because I get the same error on gnome if I view the ~/.xsession-error file
[03:11] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: I would try to copy the xfce folder from the new user to the old one
[03:11] <hyper_ch> maybe that helps
[03:11] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Let me try
[03:11] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: and you have to chown it to the vilhelms one after copying :)
[03:11] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Thats sudo chown -R jfanaian <file>, right?
[03:12] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: I'd try to /home/USER/.cache  folder
[03:12] <hyper_ch> copy that
[03:12] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: sudo cp -Rf /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache
[03:13] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: sudo chown -R jfanian:jfanian /home/jfanian/.cache
[03:15] <Vilhelms> I did that, but if I do sudo ls -lah /home/jfanaian/.cache it doesn't list anything.... could it be because of permission problems or did it not copy?
[03:16] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: did you use my cp command?
[03:16] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah
[03:16] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: are you on command line right now?
[03:16] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I have konsole open
[03:16] <hyper_ch> ok, then let's make it simple :)
[03:16] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: sudo apt-get install mc
[03:16] <hyper_ch> and afterwards:   sudo mc
[03:17] <Vilhelms> Ahhh :(
[03:17] <Vilhelms> apt-get is not working
[03:17] <Vilhelms> it doesn't output anything
[03:17] <hyper_ch> what about:  sudo cp -Rfv /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache
[03:18] <hyper_ch> of course you have to replace NEW_USER with the one you created before
[03:18] <Vilhelms> Doesn't output anything either
[03:18] <Vilhelms> Yeah I am
[03:19] <hyper_ch> hmmm, then another option would be (1) make NEW_USE also able to use sudo (2) create a 2nd new user and copy all files over from jfanian (3) delete jfanian (4) copy the files back without overwriting (5) make jfanian also able to use sudo
[03:20] <hyper_ch> it is just strange, that you can't copy over the .cache files
[03:20] <Vilhelms> Couldn't I just login as jfanaian on gnome and copy the new user's .cache?
[03:20] <Vilhelms> Using sudo
[03:20] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: that should also work
[03:20] <hyper_ch> try that
[03:20] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, alright :) brb... thanks btw
[03:24] <robinlinth> Anyone know a good lightweight bittorrent client for Xubuntu?
[03:24] <hyper_ch> bittorrent
[03:25] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Well. I was able to copy the files but it didn't work :( Same error
[03:25] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I'm on the main account under gnome now though, so I should be able to run anything fine this time :)
[03:25] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: did you also chown afterwards?
[03:26] <Vilhelms> Vilhelms, oh crap haha
[03:26] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Brb again
[03:26] <robinlinth> hyper_ch, Graphical, please. And needs the possibility to set ports
[03:27] <hyper_ch> azureus
[03:28] <grazie> robinlinth: did you try deluge?
[03:30] <robinlinth> grazie, Not in the repos.
[03:30] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Well, that didn't work either
[03:30] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I did notice that there is a ~/.xprofile owned by root on my account but not in the new user's account
[03:30] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: then copy the user files to some place... delete that acc and recreate it
[03:31] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, The contents are: /usr/bin/xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap
[03:31] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: ah ok :)
[03:31] <grazie> !deluge | robinlinth
[03:31] <ubotu> robinlinth: deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information
[03:31] <grazie> robinlinth: don't think are any light weight bt clients in the repos
[03:31] <hyper_ch> well, not graphical ones :)
[03:31] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, So basically copy /home/jfanaian to some place and delete/recreate the user?
[03:32] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: yes, that's what I would do
[03:32] <hyper_ch> but first you must give your current acc sudo rights
[03:32] <hyper_ch> or enable root
[03:33] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, which should i do? and how do i do that? does that have something to do with visudo?
[03:34] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Doesn't my current account already have sudo?
[03:34] <hyper_ch> I've never done it
[03:34] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: I don't know :)
[03:34] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Okay, I'll look it up then :).. Thanks for the help!
[03:34] <hyper_ch> the safe way is enable root
[03:34] <hyper_ch> the not-so-sure-howto-do-way is
[03:34] <hyper_ch> going to applications --> system --> users and groups
[03:34] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Alright, I will try that in a bit.... It'll probably take a while to copy, I don't know how much space is used by /home/jfanaian but I'm sure its quite large :\
[03:34] <hyper_ch> and note everything down from fanjan user and apply it to the new one
[03:35] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: you could hardlink it
[03:35] <hyper_ch> then you wouldn't use double disk space if that is a concern of you
[03:35] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Won't it get deleted when I delete the account though?
[03:35] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: that's the beauty of hardlinks :)
[03:35] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Actually I didn't even think about that... It probably won't fit in my drive haha
[03:36] <hyper_ch> basically explained: Hardlinks --> Files
[03:36] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Hardlinks? I'll have to read on that then =\ Never heard of them... All I know about linking is ln -s
[03:36] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: Symlinks --> Pointer to a hardlink
[03:36] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: Hardlink is sort of an entry in the toc of the harddisk (well, not quite) and it points to the physical data
[03:37] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Ohh so if the data gets deleted in /home/jfanaian it will still remain where I made the hardlink?
[03:37] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: as long as data on the drive is directed to by a hardlink that file "exists"
[03:37] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: in windows you cannot have 2 toc entries pointing to the same data
[03:37] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: in linux you can
[03:37] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, okay, i get it... so simply put its two different sources pointing at the same data on the physical drive?
[03:37] <hyper_ch> sort of
[03:37] <hyper_ch> as long as there is at least one, the "file" exists
[03:37] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Oh okay :)
[03:37] <hyper_ch> I use this to make backups every 6h
[03:38] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: full backups :)
[03:38] <hyper_ch> for 60 days backwards :)
[03:38] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, o.O but then it stays in the same drive... doesn't it?
[03:38] <hyper_ch> when I run du my harddisk is so much bigger than it actually is
[03:38] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: yes, needs to be on the same drive
[03:38] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: otherwise it's a copy and not a "hardlink"
[03:38] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, What I mean, is that if its a backup, shouldn't you have it on an external drive? :\
[03:39] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: ah, no sorry... I have it on a second harddisk on my computer
[03:39] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: and once a day I sync it with a server I rented
[03:39] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, ohhh...
[03:39] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, So you hardlink on a different drive?
[03:40] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: sort of
[03:40] <hyper_ch> I can pastebin my little script if you want to see it
[03:40] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Sure haha, I'm curious :)
[03:40] <hyper_ch> first I made a real copy onto the other drive
[03:40] <hyper_ch> and then upon each cycle the data there gets hardlink-copied
[03:40] <hyper_ch> and synced
[03:41] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Ohhh. I see
[03:42] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: http://phpfi.com/215477
[03:42] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, so could you compare hardlinking to pointers in like a C program?
[03:43] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, If its pretty much the same then I think I understand :)
[03:43] <hyper_ch> don't know C
[03:43] <hyper_ch> it just creates in the table of contents an additional entry
[03:43] <hyper_ch> which points to the same datablock
[03:43] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, oh... well basically a pointer is a variable that holds the memory address to an entry in memory, so 2 variables could point to the same memory slot but named different
[03:43] <hyper_ch> hence the file exists twice
[03:43] <hyper_ch> but uses only a few bytes
[03:44] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Okay then yeah, it would be the same as far as I understand
[03:44] <hyper_ch> a symlink is a totally different file
[03:44] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, ohh alright
[03:44] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: and the fun is, because the file exists twice when you use "du" then it's counted twice
[03:44] <hyper_ch> e.g. if you hardlink a 500mb file twice
[03:44] <hyper_ch> then du will return as diskusage 1gb
[03:44] <Vilhelms> oh lol
[03:45] <hyper_ch> hence you can store "more" than the max. capacity :)
[03:45] <Vilhelms> it would be funny if my drive shows up as using up more space than it has available
[03:45] <Vilhelms> haha
[03:45] <Vilhelms> yeah
[03:45] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: my backup script is pretty simple but you should not have problems understanding what it does
[03:45] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I'm looking over it now, thanks for showing me it :) heh
[03:46] <hyper_ch> end $EXLUDES is a file that contain paths and full_path_files_names that should be excluded from mirroring by rsync
[03:46] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Wow thats a good way to backup a sql database
[03:47] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I remember having a pain last time I tried to write a backup script
[03:47] <hyper_ch> it makes a backup of each database
[03:47] <hyper_ch> in its own file
[03:47] <hyper_ch> I don't compress it as rsync will then transfer more if it was changed :)
[03:47] <hyper_ch> rsync only creates new files that were altered
[03:48] <hyper_ch> I got bits and pieces from everywhere to create that little script :)
[03:48] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, So rsync copies the files excluding those that are in the exclude dir?
[03:48] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: yes... or you could set includes
[03:48] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, And those that weren't changed* (i just read what you said)
[03:48] <hyper_ch> whatever you prefer :)
[03:49] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Wow, thats really useful
[03:49] <hyper_ch> rsync is really great :)
[03:49] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: my little exclude file  http://phpfi.com/215481
[03:50] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Oh wow neat :)
[03:50] <hyper_ch> well, each one what he wants :)
[03:51] <hyper_ch> anyway, I'm off now
[03:51] <hyper_ch> I'd recommend either enable root
[03:51] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Alrighty, thanks so much for the help!
[03:51] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah I'll look into it both and see what I can do :)
[03:51] <hyper_ch> or then have a look at the user settings and copy them all over
[03:51] <hyper_ch> root can be very simple enabled
[03:51] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Alright, I will try it :) Thanks so much
[03:51] <hyper_ch> (I have it enabled myself because of automatic backup :)
[03:52] <hyper_ch> you know russian?
[03:52] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, yeah i found it weird that you couldn't just sh to root
[03:52] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, No, I'm .. well I live in the US, I don't know what to consider myself as nationality though haha
[03:52] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: normally you don't need root
[03:52] <hyper_ch> sudo is normally enough
[03:53] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah, well I was using to using fedora because thats what they had at my last job, and it doesn't use sudo i don't think
[03:53] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, I don't even remember now :\
[03:53] <hyper_ch> because I also backup files owned by root I run rsync as root
[03:53] <hyper_ch> and I let my backup server login through ssh by root without password being asked
[03:53] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Where in the script do you specify to run it as root?
[03:53] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: I run that script as root
[03:53] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Oh! okay, that makes sense
[03:54] <hyper_ch> it will need access to some root-owned files :)
[03:54] <hyper_ch> if you don't have any root-owned files then you may not need to run it as root
[03:54] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah thats really neat
[03:54] <hyper_ch> but the configs in /etc are nice to have backups
[03:54] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah heh :)
[03:54] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Thats really useful... if I had 2 drives I would do it lol but I'm on a laptop :\
[03:55] <hyper_ch> enable root is simple:   sudo passwd root
[03:55] <hyper_ch> so you set a password for root
[03:55] <hyper_ch> I think that's it
[03:55] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: external harddisk
[03:55] <hyper_ch> Vilhelms: or rent a server :)
[03:55] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, It worked... well I think, I haven't tried logging in as root
[03:55] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Yeah those are good ideas... I have an external at home but I have to wipe it lol
[03:56] <hyper_ch> open a shell
[03:56] <hyper_ch> su -
[03:56] <hyper_ch> enter root pwd
[03:56] <hyper_ch> and either it works or not
[03:56] <Vilhelms> yeah it does :)
[03:56] <hyper_ch> anyway, good luck with your "user" problem :)
[03:56] <Vilhelms> cool, thanks so much!
[03:56] <Vilhelms> hyper_ch, Haha, alright :) Thanks for the help and the scripts
[03:56] <hyper_ch> enjoy
[03:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:57] <hyper_ch> huhu slow
[04:07] <soweto76> I appended "profile" to the linux command line at the grup prompt and the system idicate that it was making a profile the startup sequence.  How can I remove that "profile"?
[04:07] <soweto76> ^grup^grub
[04:49] <sdac1> hi,  on xubuntu i accidently went to the "login Window" settings screen and selected "Chooser".  Now on startup i get a different screen that asks me to enter names then click add...This screen does not allow me to login.  Is there a way to re-select the old login manager program by changing some txt file while in recovery mode ?  thanks
[05:25] <Mordicu1> hello !:)
[05:25] <Mordicu1> (ugly gaim smiley -_-)
[05:26] <grazie> Mordicu1: hi there
[05:26] <Mordicu1> hi Grazie !
[05:26] <TheSheep_> Mordicu1: just chnge the smiley theme
[05:26] <TheSheep_> Mordicu1: lots of them out there
[05:26] <Mordicu1> I installed xubuntu using the minimal CD !
[05:26] <Mordicu1> where are the theme ???
[05:26] <TheSheep_> Mordicu1: great
[05:26] <grazie> Mordicu1: so you're up anbd running?
[05:26] <Mordicu1> but... something strange...
[05:27] <TheSheep_> http://www.google.pl/search?q=gaim+theme
[05:27] <Mordicu1> I used the feisty minimal CD, but it installed the 6.06 version of Xubuntu :(
[05:27] <grazie> no!
[05:27] <TheSheep_> fun!
[05:27] <Mordicu1> the display is very slow, apps launch very slowly too....
[05:28] <Mordicu1> it is worst than 6.10 for my laptop (which is not a good reference!)
[05:28] <TheSheep_> Mordicu1: it's a slow computer
[05:28] <TheSheep_> Mordicu1: you can upgrade to 6.10
[05:28] <Mordicu1> is there a way to upgrade from Xfce 6.06 to feisty 7.04 ?
[05:28] <grazie> Mordicu1: why do you think it's 6.06?
[05:28] <TheSheep_> not directly
[05:29] <Mordicu1> when I launched Mozilla Firefox, I got a welcome page to Ubuntu 6.06....
[05:29] <Mordicu1> but I cannot be sure of the version installed
[05:29] <grazie> Mordicu1: documentation bug!
[05:30] <Mordicu1> how to check it then ?
[05:30] <grazie> cat /etc/issue
[05:32] <Mordicu1> Ubuntu feisty (development branch) \n \l
[05:32] <Mordicu1> about Xfce : Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[05:32] <Mordicu1> version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4)
[05:32] <Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[05:33] <vidd_laptop> Mordicu1, you the same guy talking up the net-install last night?
[05:33] <Mordicu1> yes !
[05:33] <Mordicu1> but yesterday the installation was not completed, in fact
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> it worked great....but i found it ALOT slower then standard alt-cd install
[05:34] <Mordicu1> only the base system installed, I had to type  "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop".... and then it download/installed the others files
[05:34] <Mordicu1> for me it was faster, since my CD-rom is really slow.....
[05:35] <Mordicu1> but Feisty is quite slow... when I launch an application, it takes 5-8 seconds before launching :'(
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> you low on resources?
[05:36] <grazie> Mordicu1: shouldn't be slowler than live cd though!
[05:36] <sdac1>  can someone tell me which text file contains the settings of what login manager to display when machine starts.  I selected "Chooser" accidently and thus cannot login anymore...how do i re-enable gdm by editing text file ???
[05:36] <grazie> Mordicu1: did you make a note of xorg driver?
[05:38] <Mordicu1> grazie: xorg driver ? what is it ? how to ?
[05:38] <Mordicu1> vidd_laptop: I have 192 RAM (sodimm PC-100), Celerom 600Mhz CPU (or 800, not sure :/)
[05:38] <vidd_laptop> how do i change my computer's localname without hosing the system?
[05:39] <grazie> Mordicu1: when you were running the live cd, the driver used can be seen in /etc/X11/xrog.conf....remember?
[05:39] <grazie> vidd_laptop: hostname? it can be tricky.
[05:40] <Mordicu1> grazie: sorry, I do not remember.... :( What can I do ? I am sure there is a problem with drivers, it's too slow :( )
[05:41] <vidd_laptop> Mordicu1, did it run faster from the live cd?
[05:41] <grazie> Mordicu1: look for Driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what it i now (vesa I'd guess)
[05:42] <grazie> Mordicu1: do the same with the live cd booted
[05:42] <Mordicu1> I did not boot from a liveCD but from the Minimal CD ! (8Mo only)
[05:43] <grazie> Mordicu1: you did yesterday (and got stuck)
[05:45] <Mordicu1> grazie: yes, I was stuck with the Live CD.... I guess there was a problem with one partition, so I reformatted the PC, and I used the Feisty minimal CD to reinstall Xubuntu, because with my CD-rom (very slow or broken) it takes ages...
[05:46] <Mordicu1> grazie: the install with the minimal CD (loading from the network) was much faster for me, and I got no error this time.
[05:46] <grazie> Mordicu1: what's the Driver used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf now?
[05:46] <Mordicu1> What should I check in the xorg.conf ?
[05:47] <grazie> Mordicu1: look for Driver ^^
[05:47] <Mordicu1> Section "Device"
[05:47] <Mordicu1> 	Identifier	"Carte vido gnrique"
[05:47] <Mordicu1> 	Driver		"vesa"
[05:47] <Mordicu1> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[05:47] <Mordicu1> this ?
[05:47] <grazie> yes
[05:48] <Mordicu1> (sorry for the French language :s)
[05:48] <grazie> it is vesa, but I still don't think it should be as slow as you are describing
[05:49] <Mordicu1> well, everything respond slowly :'(
[05:49] <grazie> Mordicu1: is a lot a hassle to boot with the live cd?
[05:50] <Mordicu1> grazie: for me yes, but just because my CD-rom is slow, but I can do it.... should I boot from the Feisty live CD ?
[05:51] <Mordicu1> (why should I boot with the live CD since Xubuntu is installed now ?)
[05:52] <grazie> Mordicu1: use whatever xubuntu live cd you have already ...to see what driver is being used...it may not be vesa
[05:53] <Mordicu1> ok. So I boot from a liveCD... then I check xorg.conf drivers, right?
[05:53] <Mordicu1> to compare
[05:53] <grazie> yes
[05:54] <Mordicu1> ok rebooting ^
[05:54] <grazie> Mordicu1: hold on
[05:54] <Mordicu1> yes ?
[05:54] <grazie> Mordicu1: if it is different, save a copy of xorg.conf to disk or usb stick
[05:55] <Mordicu1> ok
[05:55] <Mordicu1> I will connect to irc from my Windows-PC (burk)
[06:17] <frtmonster> hi, what can i do to make my xubuntu run faster? i'm on a celeron laptop
[06:20] <Mordicus> re Grazie
[06:21] <Mordicus> It is not the same driver but I could not save the file, I rebooting with an USB key inserted
[06:21] <Mordicus> grazie: I also found an interesing page.... but I don't know how to apply this info :
[06:22] <Mordicus> grazie: http://www.freewebs.com/duckzland/r100.html
[06:22] <Mordicus> grazie: look at 3.6. Video Card Configuration
[06:28] <grazie> Mordicus: back
[06:28] <grazie> Mordicus: what was in the live cd xorg,conf?
[06:29] <Mordicus> savage S3 or something like that...
[06:29] <grazie> ?
[06:29] <B|nTaRa> lo
[06:29] <Mordicus> I am rebooting with a usb key plugged...
[06:29] <Mordicus> but video respond better with the live CD
[06:30] <B|nTaRa> i installed xubuntu 6.06
[06:30] <B|nTaRa> and then i upgraded
[06:30] <B|nTaRa> how i wanna know either im using 6.10 or not ?
[06:30] <grazie> Mordicus: you've got the live cd on usb key?
[06:31] <Mordicus> no, I booted with the 6.10 live CD (on CD-rom)
[06:31] <grazie> B|nTaRa: in a terminal type 'cat /etc/issue'
[06:31] <Mordicus> and now, I plugged a pcmcia card with usb key to save the xorg.conf file
[06:31] <B|nTaRa> $ cat /etc/issue
[06:31] <B|nTaRa> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[06:31] <B|nTaRa> grazie, thank you
[06:31] <grazie> np
[06:32] <Mordicus> xubuntu takes ages to load my USB key content.... -_-
[06:32] <B|nTaRa> grazie, i just do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[06:32] <B|nTaRa> is that correct ?
[06:33] <grazie> B|nTaRa: you've upgraded already
[06:33] <B|nTaRa> \0/
[06:33] <grazie> !upgrade | B|nTaRa
[06:33] <ubotu> B|nTaRa: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:35] <B|nTaRa> grazie, i didnt follow the tutorial
[06:35] <frtmonster> how can i know which services or probes i don't need in xubuntu so it would make my celeron laptop a bit faster
[06:40] <grazie> B|nTaRa: you should have really done 'sudo apt-get update' and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list
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[06:43] <frtmonster> what's the cpu frequency manager job?
[06:43] <B|nTaRa> grazie, what happen if i didnt do like that ?
[06:44] <steveno> frtmonster: i suppose its all in its name
[06:44] <frtmonster> steveno: and what does the name say?
[06:44] <frtmonster> what cpu frequency does the manager job manage?
[06:44] <steveno> oh okay, now I'm following you
[06:45] <grazie> B|nTaRa: I don't know....what did you do?
[06:46] <B|nTaRa> well
[06:46] <B|nTaRa> just apt-get update
[06:47] <B|nTaRa> and apt-upgrade
[06:47] <B|nTaRa> thats all
[06:47] <steveno> it manages your cpu's frequency (assuming you only have one). the way i understand it though it only kicks in during extreme times
[06:47] <grazie> B|nTaRa: you must have changed sources.list
[06:48] <B|nTaRa> grazie,
[06:48] <B|nTaRa> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe
[06:48] <B|nTaRa> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe
[06:48] <steveno> frtmonster: if your using a laptop it will probably kick in more often as you go on and off battery power
[06:49] <frtmonster> i see
[06:50] <grazie> B|nTaRa: they're edgy. (remember to use pastebin for multiline posts...just in case)
[06:50] <B|nTaRa> grazie, whats the latest ?
[06:50] <grazie> B|nTaRa: sorry
[06:51] <grazie> B|nTaRa: i was thinking feisty which isn't released yet
[06:51] <B|nTaRa> :P
[06:52] <rmd_> when does xubuntu feisty come out, anyway?
[06:52] <grazie> B|nTaRa: just do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' then (if you've added edgy to all the entries in sources.list)
[06:53] <grazie> rmd_: forcast is mid April
[06:53] <rmd_> hm
[06:53] <rmd_> i thought it was sooner.  it thought people were using it already
[06:54] <grazie> people are using alpha and beta test versions
[06:56] <B|nTaRa> grazie, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:58] <Mordicus> grazie: can I boot with the alternate CD ? (without installing, just like a live CD  ?)
[06:58] <grazie> Mordicus: no. install or rescue only I think
[07:00] <grazie> B|nTaRa: all's well then
[07:00] <B|nTaRa> :)
[07:00] <B|nTaRa> thank you
[07:01] <grazie> np
[07:10] <B|nTaRa> i need help with mounting ntfs
[07:10] <B|nTaRa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10370/
[07:12] <rmd_> B|nTaRa, are you sure you want to do that?  NTFS writing can destroy your system
[07:12] <B|nTaRa> :/
[07:12] <B|nTaRa> i just wanna read em
[07:12] <rmd_> i mean, I've never had a problem with it
[07:12] <rmd_> ah
[07:13] <Mordicus> grazie: I rebooted with Feisty, but now my laptop respond better.... O_O
[07:13] <grazie> B|nTaRa: You don't need ntfs-fuse then
[07:13] <Mordicus> grazie: I failed to boot with the liveCD, so burning a new one...
[07:13] <grazie> Mordicus: no don't need to
[07:13] <rmd_> B|nTaRa, so whats' the problem?  (X/K)Ubuntu comes with read support standard...
[07:13] <steveno> Mordicus: make sure you always check the md5 before you burn
[07:14] <B|nTaRa> grazie, any tutorials ?
[07:14] <Mordicus> steveno: Yes, usually I do....
[07:15] <slow-motion> bye
[07:15] <grazie> B|nTaRa: it's easy but this is good >> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[07:16] <grazie> B|nTaRa: although you don't need to install gparted to just find out what the file systems are
[07:16] <Mordicus> grazie: so, should I keep generic VESA drivers, or try to find better drivers for my video card ? :/
[07:17] <grazie> Mordicus: iirc you got a trident card?
[07:20] <grazie> B|nTaRa: you can use 'blkid' for example to find the file system on the disk(s)
[07:25] <Mordicus> grazie: Yes, it's a trident card (Trident Blade 3D agp)
[07:25] <Mordicus> grazie: I found a page with info on this card under linux (sent you a link upper)
[07:26] <grazie> Mordicus: look for xserver-xorg-video-trident in synaptic and if it's there install it
[07:26] <Mordicus> ok !:)
[07:26] <grazie> Mordicus: if it's no good you can always use vesa again (a great fallback driver)
[07:28] <Mordicus> ok
[07:31] <ostbagarn> how do i unmount a partition and mount it somewhere else?
[07:31] <rmd_> ostbagarn, sudo umount <current mountpoint>
[07:31] <rmd_> ostbagarn, sudo mount <device directory> <mountpoint>
[07:31] <rmd_> or something
[07:33] <ostbagarn> sudo: unmount: command not found
[07:33] <ostbagarn> ups
[07:33] <ostbagarn> :p
[07:33] <ostbagarn> device is busy :S
[07:33] <rmd_> what are you trying to umount?
[07:34] <ostbagarn> a partition ive mounted as warez
[07:34] <rmd_> you wont be able to umount, say, a cd you're listening to, a floppy you're using, a usb stick that is being accessed...
[07:34] <ostbagarn> i want it to be /Ftp
[07:34] <rmd_> in that case
[07:34] <rmd_> well
[07:35] <rmd_> you can try halting HD access, anything that might be writing to that partition
[07:35] <rmd_> is the partition listed in fstab?
[07:35] <ostbagarn> whats that? :o
[07:36] <rmd_> fstab is a file that configures mounted drives, etc
[07:36] <rmd_> do me a favor and open a terminal
[07:36] <ostbagarn> i have
[07:36] <rmd_> and use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to post the output of "cat /etc/fstab"
[07:38] <rmd_> still there?
[07:38] <ostbagarn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10375/
[07:39] <ostbagarn> hope thats right
[07:39] <rmd_> that's right, yes
[07:39] <rmd_> okay
[07:39] <rmd_> now hit f2 and type "gksu mousepad /etc/fstab"
[07:40] <rmd_> and change "/warez" to "/ftp"
[07:40] <rmd_> save and close
[07:40] <rmd_> when you reboot, the partition will be mounted to /ftp
[07:40] <rmd_> but before you reboot
[07:40] <rmd_> make sure you have created the /ftp directory
[07:40] <rmd_> if you haven't, open a terminal and type "sudo mkdir /ftp"
[07:41] <rmd_> then reboot
[07:41] <ostbagarn> you win
[07:42] <ostbagarn> thanks
[07:42] <rmd_> no problem
[07:43] <rmd_> just remember it wont be changed until you reboot, so you might want to just go ahead and do that now
[07:43] <ostbagarn> yea
[07:43] <ostbagarn> i just occured to me tho that maybe it was /home/ftp i wanted :o
[07:44] <rmd_> well
[07:44] <colorred> lol
[07:44] <rmd_> the /home directory is really for user folders
[07:44] <ostbagarn> lol indeed
[07:44] <ostbagarn> yea
[07:44] <rmd_> i wouldnt really suggest a /home/ftp directory
[07:44] <ostbagarn> ok
[07:45] <rmd_> i would prefer you do a /home/ostbagarn/ftp, but given what i think you might be trying to do, that might open you up to security risks.  i dont know, i know next to nothing about ftp servers, etc
[07:45] <Mordicus> grazie|afk: xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed... so why Xubuntu use the vesa driver ? O_O
[07:45] <ostbagarn> hehe i know zip myself
[07:49] <ostbagarn> maybe one should had just mounted that partition as /home when i installed xubuntu since its way bigger
[07:50] <rmd_> ostbagarn, it doesn't matter all that much.  just need to remember where you have space and where you don't
[07:51] <ostbagarn> i suppose
[07:51] <rmd_> i know a few people who have very small /homes because they keep *nothing* there
[07:51] <rmd_> and they have complicated permissions patterns for where they do keep their data
[07:51] <rmd_> they're freaky
[07:52] <ostbagarn> hehe
[07:54] <rmd_> what format does orge support?
[07:54] <rmd_> orage?
[07:58] <ostbagarn> what are you thinking of?
[08:00] <rmd_> i was trying to figure out what calendar files orage recognized
[08:00] <rmd_> but i figured it out
[08:01] <dannydog> hello
[08:01] <dannydog> could i get some help, im new in xubuntu
[08:02] <dannydog> how can get opera in xubuntu?
[08:02] <ostbagarn> just ask
[08:03] <ostbagarn> you could always go to opera.com and download it
[08:03] <ostbagarn> might be able to get it synaptic packet manager as well
[08:05] <\rabies\> i cant delete files from hda2 dircetly, he move the files to hda1 (trash) <- this isnt nice
[08:05] <\rabies\> ^sry, my english isnt so well
[08:05] <dannydog> well
[08:06] <dannydog> isn't possible to use the apt-get opera?
[08:06] <B|nTaRa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10372/
[08:10] <dannydog> k
[08:11] <rmd_> dannydog, uh... i dont know why not, i know i have
[08:34] <dannydog> well
[08:35] <dannydog> how do i start the files i download from opera.com?
[08:37] <grazie> !opera | dannydog
[08:37] <ubotu> dannydog: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:39] <dannydog> !konquerer
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konquerer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <chris13> so hey what is the command for starting Thunar in root mode again?
[08:56] <chris13> is it just sudo Thunar
[08:56] <chris13> or is there GTK something in there somewhere
[08:58] <grazie> gksu thunar is better (or gksudo)
[08:59] <chris13> ok
[09:00] <chris13> it seems to have opened it just fine but it still gives some sort of error message
[09:00] <chris13> Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus.
[09:00] <chris13> Did not recieve a reply
[09:02] <grazie> chris13: I wouldn't worry about that
[09:02] <chris13> ok
[09:02] <chris13> thanks for your help
[09:40] <ForsakenSoul> hey ... can some one help me ....
[09:40] <Ant1moN_> hi! do you know how to launch an app automatically on login in XFCE?
[09:41] <ForsakenSoul> i`m trying to install xubuntu 6.10 on an old pc - 300 mhz processor and doble ram ... total 65 mb
[09:41] <ForsakenSoul> and i am installing it in the alternative cd and it all goes perfect
[09:41] <ForsakenSoul> till the menu Select and Install Software
[09:41] <ForsakenSoul> it reaches 65% and freezes
[09:42] <ForsakenSoul> configureng anthy
[09:42] <TheSheep_> on Anthy?
[09:42] <ForsakenSoul> yaea
[09:42] <ForsakenSoul> yeah
[09:42] <TheSheep_> ok, switch to the second console with alt+f2
[09:42] <TheSheep_> press enter to activate it
[09:42] <TheSheep_> type 'ps x' to get the list of all processes
[09:43] <TheSheep_> see what number the anthy process has
[09:43] <TheSheep_> then type 'kill this-number-here'
[09:43] <TheSheep_> this should get the installer moving
[09:43] <ForsakenSoul> thanks
[09:44] <ForsakenSoul> and is the anthy important ?
[09:44] <TheSheep_> you can reinstall anthy later if you really need working japanese input methods
[09:44] <TheSheep_> for typing japanese characters
[09:44] <TheSheep_> I think
[09:44] <ForsakenSoul> ohhh
[09:44] <TheSheep_> !anthy
[09:44] <ForsakenSoul> ok
[09:44] <ubotu> anthy: A Japanese input method (backend, dictionary and utility). In component main, is optional. Version 7500-1 (edgy), package size 2749 kB, installed size 10388 kB
[09:44] <ForsakenSoul> don`t neet to :D
[09:44] <ForsakenSoul> thanks
[09:46] <Ant1moN_> do you know how to start an app at login in XFCE?
[09:46] <grazie_> Ant1moN_: two ways
[09:47] <grazie_> Akuma_: close session with the app still iopen and make sure to save session
[09:47] <grazie_> Akuma_: add app to Autostarted Application in Settings
[09:51] <Ant1moN_> ok thx...because I want to run a command. x11vnc at startup
[09:51] <TheSheep_> Ant1moN_: you might want to investigate LTSP
[09:53] <Ant1moN_> ok thx...have to go...thank you for your help!!
[10:19] <Mordicus> hello again !
[10:21] <grazie> Mordicus: hi there
[10:21] <Mordicus> hi !
[10:22] <Mordicus> the trident package is installed, but it is not used in xorg.conf....
[10:22] <Mordicus> can I force Xubuntu to use the Trident drivers ?
[10:22] <grazie> of course
[10:22] <Mordicus> (xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed)
[10:22] <Mordicus> but how to ?
[10:23] <cellofellow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:24] <Mordicus> ok trying...
[10:24] <grazie> Mordicus: as cellofellow says or if you know what the driver module is called just edit and check the module is loaded?
[10:27] <Mordicus> the module loaded now (in xorg.conf) is the generic
[10:27] <Mordicus> now I typed the command line, chosen Trident.... and answering a few questions....
[10:27] <cellofellow> just scroll around and pick trident in that window that asks for the driver in the reconfigure thing.
[10:27] <cellofellow> ok
[10:27] <Mordicus> yes I did it ! thanks !
[10:27] <Mordicus> but what about framebuffer ??
[10:28] <cellofellow> now ctrl+alt+backspace and see if it works.
[10:28] <cellofellow> dunno
[10:28] <cellofellow> I don't know how to configure framebuffer drivers. :/
[10:28] <cellofellow> mine picks RIVA (nvidia-legacy) by default.
[10:28] <grazie> Mordicus: you can try that later
[10:30] <Mordicus> but now Xubuntu ask me a lot of questions !!!! :s
[10:30] <Mordicus> I am not sure what to answer, I just click ok, not changing anything
[10:31] <cellofellow> lots of stuff on keyboard. You will have to pay attention on the monitor size stuff.
[10:31] <cellofellow> but usually the defaults are fine
[10:31] <grazie> Mordicus: did you make a backup of xorg.conf?
[10:32] <cellofellow> do that before the config writes
[10:32] <Mordicus> grazie: no, I did not backup :s
[10:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The reconfigure script makes a backup anyway.
[10:32] <cellofellow> it's not too late
[10:32] <Mordicus> :'(
[10:32] <cellofellow> it does, that's right
[10:33] <cellofellow> xorg.conf.somedataincludeingthedate
[10:33] <Mordicus> pray for me ! I press "ctrl+alt+backspace"
[10:33] <cellofellow> cya later
[10:37] <Mordicus> re
[10:37] <Mordicus> re
[10:37] <Mordicus> tragedy....
[10:37] <Mordicus> Xorg server error, I cannot boot anymore... :'(
[10:38] <cellofellow> you can still boot
[10:38] <Mordicus> I am on another PC
[10:38] <Mordicus> my xubuntu laptop can boot...
[10:38] <cellofellow> ctrl+alt+F[1-6]  to see tty terminals.
[10:39] <Mordicus> but it stops
[10:39] <Mordicus> with a xorg server error
[10:39] <Mordicus> fatal error
[10:39] <Mordicus> screen not found...
[10:39] <Mordicus> and many other info I cannot understand
[10:39] <ForsakenSoul> can someone please help me
[10:39] <cellofellow> you can get to a tty?
[10:39] <cellofellow> !ask | ForsakenSoul
[10:39] <ubotu> ForsakenSoul: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:39] <ForsakenSoul> i`m installing an xubuntu in a alternative cd
[10:40] <ForsakenSoul> how is the stupid kill command
[10:40] <ForsakenSoul> i`m typing
[10:40] <ForsakenSoul> kill 56
[10:40] <ForsakenSoul> for killing anthy in xubuntu install
[10:40] <Mordicus> cellofellow: I've got the terminal, yes
[10:40] <ForsakenSoul> and it says that there is no process
[10:40] <cellofellow> maybe it thinks you mean signal 56, if there is one
[10:41] <cellofellow> there are only 31 signals
[10:41] <ForsakenSoul> ohh
[10:41] <ForsakenSoul> so how should i kill it
[10:41] <ForsakenSoul> i`m typing ps x
[10:41] <grazie> Mordicus:  ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[10:41] <Mordicus> I was warned I should reinstall GDM...
[10:41] <Mordicus> LS or 1s ???
[10:42] <cellofellow> ls
[10:42] <cellofellow> caps make big difference
[10:42] <Mordicus> ok (I thought it was a ONE 1...2 ...3)
[10:43] <cellofellow> hehe.
[10:43] <Mordicus> grazie: and next ?
[10:44] <Mordicus> it just shows me a number....
[10:44] <Mordicus> (x11, without caps, did not work ! :-o I have to type X11)
[10:45] <grazie> Mordicus: yes
[10:45] <grazie> X11
[10:45] <Mordicus> I did it... nothing special happened
[10:45] <grazie> it should list at least two files
[10:45] <Mordicus> oh yes!
[10:46] <grazie> how many?
[10:46] <Mordicus> 2
[10:46] <cellofellow> xorg.conf and xorg.conf-otherstuff?
[10:46] <Mordicus> .... xorg.conf and the other ......xorg.conf.2007445185797101 (omething like that)
[10:47] <grazie> Mordicus: cd /etc/X11
[10:47] <Mordicus> the fatal error message was (in the report) : no screens found O_O
[10:47] <Mordicus> ok
[10:48] <grazie> Mordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.crap
[10:48] <grazie> Mordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf.2007* xorg.conf
[10:49] <Mordicus> ok trying !
[10:49] <cellofellow> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:51] <Mordicus> restarting !!
[10:52] <grazie> cellofellow: isn't that broken on edgy?
[10:52] <cellofellow> not here
[10:52] <grazie> k
[10:52] <cellofellow> the gdm init script works fine
[10:52] <grazie> thought there was a bug
[10:53] <ForsakenSoul> any ideas on how i can make my xubuntu install run again after it freezes on 65% configuring anthy ?
[10:53] <Mordicus> Now I retry to set Xorg server ??
[10:53] <grazie> ForsakenSoul: kill anthy
[10:54] <ForsakenSoul> killed it
[10:54] <grazie> Mordicus: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf.crap
[10:54] <ForsakenSoul> and it when i cheked the progress
[10:54] <ForsakenSoul> it wa still stuck
[10:55] <Mordicus> it show me a driver list
[10:55] <BFTD> my ISP hates apt-get
[10:55] <cellofellow> that really sucks
[10:56] <BFTD> it pauses every few seconds.
[10:56] <ForsakenSoul> by the way this is a nice thing to say that i`m installing my first linux at the moment
[10:56] <grazie> ForsakenSoul: look at >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293514&page=2
[10:56] <ForsakenSoul> and this is my first encounter
[10:56] <Mordicus> for me too ! :D
[10:56] <grazie> Mordicus: a driver list?  not just one line?
[10:57] <cellofellow> Mordicus: Driver or driver?
[10:57] <BFTD> ??
[10:57] <grazie> Mordicus: case is very important on linux & unix
[10:58] <dredhammer> does the desktop disc install of Edgy contain ndiswrapper in its repo?
[10:58] <Mordicus> Driver "kbd"
[10:58] <Mordicus> Driver "mouse"
[10:58] <Mordicus> Driver  "synaptics"
[10:58] <Mordicus> Driver "wacom"
[10:58] <Mordicus> etc, etc....
[10:58] <Mordicus> Driver "trident"
[10:58] <cellofellow> grazie: you forgot that more than one driver was involved I guess. :)
[10:58] <grazie> Mordicus: sorry ...my mistake...you want trident
[10:59] <Mordicus> yes
[10:59] <cellofellow> try grep -n Driver xorg.conf just see which line it's on
[10:59] <cellofellow> trident instead of Driver actually
[10:59] <ForsakenSoul> well unfortunately kill -9 doesn`t work for me
[10:59] <ForsakenSoul> i`ve killed it once already
[10:59] <grazie> Mordicus: replace vesa with trident in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:00] <ForsakenSoul> in my case anthy shows with 20 S and 24780 D
[11:00] <Mordicus> do I type this : grep -n Driver xorg.conf  ???
[11:00] <Mordicus> do I type this : grep -n Trident xorg.conf  ???
[11:00] <cellofellow> don't worry about it
[11:00] <ForsakenSoul> i type kill -9 20
[11:00] <Mordicus> ok
[11:00] <ForsakenSoul> and it doesn`t work
[11:00] <grazie> ForsakenSoul: why 20?
[11:01] <Mordicus> Can I change the identifier ? :)
[11:01] <cellofellow> Mordicus: sudo vim xorg.conf, and type "/vesa" once you started, and then change vesa for trident.
[11:02] <cellofellow> you can, but it's not neccesary.
[11:02] <Mordicus> ok
[11:02] <grazie> Mordicus: you know vim?
[11:02] <Mordicus> grazie: no :/
[11:03] <BFTD> DANGIT
[11:03] <Mordicus> when I type /vesa, i get E486 pattern not found : vesa
[11:03] <BFTD> Firefox keeps crashing everytime i view a myspace profile
[11:04] <cellofellow> well, must not be that
[11:04] <cellofellow> BFTD: that is weird
[11:04] <Mordicus> I changed vesa to trident in xorg.conf, but I cannot save :(
[11:04] <cellofellow> BFTD: the Javascript console may help
[11:05] <Mordicus> "can't open file to write"
[11:05] <cellofellow> Mordicus: save with esc :wq
[11:05] <cellofellow> did you use sudo?
[11:05] <Mordicus> I just opened the xorg.conf file
[11:05] <cellofellow> I think you should use nano
[11:05] <cellofellow> exit with :q!
[11:06] <Mordicus> with what ? ":q!" ????
[11:06] <Mordicus> what command is that ?
[11:06] <BFTD> Warning: Unknown property '_width'.  Declaration dropped
[11:06] <cellofellow> the vim command
[11:06] <cellofellow> BFTD: sounds like MySpace has buggy j-script
[11:06] <BFTD> hrm
[11:06] <Mordicus> sorry I am lost
[11:07] <grazie> Mordicus: just enter              :q!
[11:07] <Mordicus> in xorg.conf ?
[11:07] <grazie> your still in vim?
[11:07] <BFTD> cellofellow it just crashed on youtube too
[11:07] <Mordicus> not, I opened the file xorg.conf to replace vesa by trident, but I cannot save :/
[11:08] <grazie> Mordicus: just kit Esc key
[11:08] <cellofellow> Mordicus: did you open with vim? with nano? with some graphical editor?
[11:08] <grazie> Mordicus: then enter              :q!
[11:09] <Mordicus> with mousepad !
[11:09] <grazie> hehe
[11:09] <BFTD> oh
[11:09] <BFTD> I need to isntall flash
[11:09] <BFTD> I already installed it though
[11:09] <grazie> Mordicus: quit mousepad
[11:09] <ForsakenSoul> ohh ... every time i kill the stupid anthy with kill -9 either gives me a no such process and the number or kills it and doesn`t go on
[11:10] <ForsakenSoul> i think it restarting :(
[11:10] <cellofellow> ForsakenSoul: how about you try `sudo top`
[11:10] <Mordicus> when I type sudo vim xorg.conf, I get an empty file :/
[11:11] <grazie> Mordicus: no forget vim......sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:11] <cellofellow> Mordicus: that because you editting /home/you/xorg.conf
[11:11] <cellofellow> easiest would probably be gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the alt+f2 run dialog
[11:11] <Mordicus> cellofellow: ok !
[11:12] <Mordicus> so, in vim, I change "vesa" by "trident" ?
[11:12] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:13] <cellofellow> then esc :wq to save and quit
[11:14] <Mordicus> I saved using ctrl-O and exit :s
[11:14] <Mordicus> but it has been saved
[11:15] <Mordicus> now reboot ?
[11:15] <Mordicus> cellofellow: sorry I do not understand how to type ":wq".... may be because my Xubuntu is in French
[11:16] <cellofellow> just the characters :wq
[11:16] <Mordicus> it did not work :/
[11:16] <cellofellow> unless vim is different in other languages
[11:17] <Mordicus> when I type : and w and q... it's like I am writing text in vim, in the xorg.conf file :/
[11:17] <grazie> you must hit Esc key to exit insert mode first
[11:18] <Mordicus> but it has been saved (I use the help menu with commands to save ! :) )
[11:18] <grazie> great!
[11:18] <grazie> just restart X as before >> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:19] <Mordicus> starting gnome display manager
[11:19] <Mordicus> (i did not reboot)
[11:19] <Mordicus> shall I press ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[11:19] <cellofellow> makes no difference
[11:20] <Mordicus> so now I use the trident driver ??
[11:20] <cellofellow> yeah
[11:20] <Mordicus> cool ^^ :D
[11:20] <grazie> Mordicus: you ARE using the trident driver...any better?
[11:21] <Mordicus> yes, it looks a little bit faster :)
[11:21] <Mordicus> I would like to play a video to test any difference..
[11:21] <Mordicus> I have installed mplayer
[11:21] <Mordicus> but it cannot open my AVI file :'(
[11:22] <grazie> !codecs | Mordicus
[11:22] <ubotu> Mordicus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:23] <cellofellow> Mordicus: and Feisty will have CNR and you'll be ably to pay for and download legal codecs, instead of this semi-legal stuff we do here.
[11:24] <grazie> !CNR
[11:24] <Mordicus> semi-legal ? :p Why ?
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cnr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <grazie> cellofellow: CNR?
[11:24] <cellofellow> Click and Run.
[11:24] <Mordicus> I can read this in the help for Fiesty
[11:24] <cellofellow> Linspire stuff
[11:24] <Mordicus> Click Applications  Add/Remove. Select Other and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK
[11:24] <vidd_laptop> cnr = Clin 'n run
[11:24] <Mordicus> but I cannot find the add/remove menu....
[11:25] <cellofellow> I don't care for it, prefer aptitude.
[11:25] <cellofellow> Mordicus: it's in Other I believe
[11:25] <cellofellow> That's for Ubuntu, that particular menu item.
[11:26] <Mordicus> ah ok ^^
[11:29] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofellow
[11:29] <cellofellow> *wave*
[11:30] <Mordicus> I cannot find the "Ubuntu restricted extras" :s
[11:31] <cellofellow> !mp3
[11:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:31] <Mordicu2> I am here (Mordicus)
[11:32] <cellofellow> ok
[11:32] <cellofellow> one minute then
[11:34] <Mordicu2> why does Xubuntu use Firefox 1.05 and not version 2.02 ? is it lighter ???
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> Mordicu2, cuzz you didnt run the update?
[11:35] <cellofellow> Xubuntu Dapper uses 1.5 cause it's just older. 2.0 is actually a little faster.
[11:35] <cellofellow> Edgy has 2.0
[11:35] <cellofellow> 2.0.0.2 to be precise
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> as does fiesty
[11:35] <cellofellow> !firefox dapper
[11:35] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.10-0ubuntu0.6.06.2 (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB
[11:35] <cellofellow> !firefox edgy
[11:36] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> !firefox fiesty
[11:36] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> ...
[11:37] <cellofellow> Mordicu2: on this page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats, you see the box with the apt-get command? do that
[11:37] <cellofellow> forget the ogle and gxine bit though
[11:37] <cellofellow> and do mplayer instead. :)
[11:38] <Mordicu2> yes, I go with mplayer
[11:39] <Mordicu2> I need extra codec, it's very important since I use many different video
[11:39] <cellofellow> Mplayer uses any codec you throw at it
[11:39] <cellofellow> w32codecs in particular
[11:40] <grazie>  Mordicu2 RE: Firefox - I don't understand as you installed Feisty?
[11:41] <Mordicu2> grazie: oh yes ! sorry ! it's version 2 now ! But I noticed the last time, when I installed the 6.10, that mozilla 1.5 was installed
[11:42] <cellofellow> if you installed Edgy before it was released, Firefox 2 wasn't released yet.
[11:42] <grazie> Mordicu2: Well ubuntu is only released every 6 months
[11:43] <cellofellow> you had some hack going on? extensions or something?
[11:43] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[11:44] <vidd_laptop> it wont work with firefox 2.0 for some reason
[11:44] <Mordicu2> libdvdcss2... I get an error message trying to install libdvdcss2
[11:44] <Mordicu2> dependencie is not satisfied
[11:44] <cellofellow> use Gdebi
[11:44] <vidd_laptop> that is the -dev
[11:44] <Mordicu2> *dependency is not satisfiable
[11:45] <Mordicu2> I tried, I could not install it
[11:45] <Mordicu2>  sudoapt-getinstallgdebi
[11:45] <vidd_laptop> you need to get the NON -dev
[11:45] <Mordicu2> won't work
[11:45] <cellofellow> gdebi already installed I think
[11:45] <Mordicu2> I followed the instructions on the help age :s
[11:45] <Mordicu2> page
[11:46] <vidd_laptop> Mordicu2, did you get libdvdcss or libdvdcss-dev?
[11:46] <Mordicu2> ok.. may be not the good packaage
[11:46] <cellofellow> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[11:46] <Mordicu2> it's dev, you're right ! I did not pay attention to this
[11:46] <cellofellow> use that to get libdvdcss2 ^
[11:48] <Mordicu2> the download page is not clear at all -_-
[11:48] <vidd_laptop> Mordicu2, libdvdcss-dev requires libdvdcss
[11:48] <Mordicu2> I get this one : libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb
[11:49] <Mordicu2> now it seems to work
[11:49] <vidd_laptop> yep
[11:52] <Mordicu2> I still get an error when I try to play an avi file :(
[11:52] <cellofellow> you need w32codecs
[11:52] <cellofellow> and use mplayer
[11:53] <Mordicu2> i typed this :
[11:53] <Mordicu2> wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb
[11:53] <Mordicu2> and it was ok i think
[11:53] <Mordicu2> next I tried to read the avi file with mplayer, and it crashed :s
[11:54] <cellofellow> avi is a container, like Ogg, and can have a number of codecs in it.
[11:54] <cellofellow> Ogg can have Vorbis audio streams, Theora video streams, multiples of both, etc.
[11:55] <Mordicu2> but what can I do next ?
[11:55] <cellofellow> :/ dunno
[11:56] <cellofellow> I think mplayer can use libxine-extracodecs
[11:56] <cellofellow> if you don't have that
[11:56] <Mordicu2> error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device
[11:56] <cellofellow> oh, hehe
[11:57] <cellofellow> open gmplayer, and select x11 as the output plugin in the preferences
[11:57] <Mordicu2> what ?
[11:57] <cellofellow> it had trouble outputing
[11:57] <cellofellow> gmplayer is mplayer GTK frontend
[11:58] <cellofellow> mplayer is a CLI app.
[11:58] <Mordicu2> -_- I am lost
[11:58] <Mordicu2> But I am following your instruction :D
[11:58] <cellofellow> it's included in the package mplayer, don't worry
[11:58] <cellofellow> just open mplayer from the menu
[11:59] <Mordicu2> there are many X11 drivers available....
[11:59] <cellofellow> just use xv, it gives me no problems
[12:00] <Mordicu2> I selected it, I get the same error :(
[12:00] <cellofellow> try x11
[12:01] <Mordicu2> when you asked me to select the output plugin, you were speaking about the driver, right ? (in preferences)
[12:01] <cellofellow> yeah
[12:01] <cellofellow> Video Drivers
[12:02] <Mordicu2> ok :)
[12:02] <Mordicu2> well I get some image but.... :p
[12:02] <Mordicu2> audio problem...
[12:02] <cellofellow> adjust the audio drivers too. :)
[12:02] <Mordicu2> requested audio codec family....
[12:02] <Mordicu2> mp3 not available in compilation
[12:03] <Mordicu2> afm=mp3lib
[12:03] <cellofellow> I get that when I play AVI's, but it still plays the sound
[12:03] <Mordicu2> aaudio driver is Alsa...
[12:03] <cellofellow> use that
[12:04] <Mordicu2> so where the error comes from ? :(
[12:04] <Mordicu2> my sound is very bad
[12:04] <cellofellow> that's a codec problem
[12:05] <Mordicu2> mp3 (afm=mp3lib) is a special codec ?
[12:05] <cellofellow> A codec is just a file format.
[12:11] <Mordicu2> well the best way to get rid of that message is to choose ffmpeg as ur audio codec when u choose it from preferences
[12:11] <Mordicu2> that should get rid of that error
[12:12] <Mordicu2> (I found that here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343856
[12:12] <Mordicu2> but I do not have ffmpeg in audio preferences :/