[12:23] really ? but they are installed by themselves when you select the language, no ? [12:26] installing the language packs can cause problems on low spec machines (during the xubuntu install). Install later if required would be my advice === b_52Free [n=skimo@adsl196-208-54-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [12:37] grazie: ok, thanks for the advice :) [12:37] but I selected French as language... so I am afraid the language packets will be installed :s [12:40] the extra language packs get installed at about 90%...you should get the option to skip [12:41] ok ! :) [12:42] 51% -_- [12:42] is it possible that my dvd-rom is slow because proper drivers are not installed ? [12:48] probably not [12:53] ok, thank you. === wes_1977 [n=wes@71.30.15.221] has joined #xubuntu [12:54] is setting up a wireless network any different in xubuntu than in ubuntu? === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === Qew [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.163.29] has joined #xubuntu === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu === darren1 [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === null__ [n=null@cpe-24-208-189-7.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === null_ [n=null@cpe-24-208-189-7.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === delaney [n=delaney@mctnnbsa24w-142167060165.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #xubuntu === cclampblues [n=cclampbl@cpe-24-210-222-190.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:57] eiei yo === aidanr [n=aidanr@83.147.134.5] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] i got a wifi question: how do/can i access settings (wep wpa) in xubuntu for a wireless network card (laptop) [03:12] Wifi-radar seems to be popular. [03:12] !info wifi-radar [03:12] wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@F7331.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #xubuntu === clarklinux [n=clark@ip72-195-129-90.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] I'm having trouble installing installing xubuntu 6.10 on my powerbook g3 (ppc). is there anyone who can help me? [03:16] clarklinux: what's the problem? === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] hi grazie: I burned the alternate installation iso image for xubuntu and I'm trying to boot my powerbook g3 lombard from it (by holding down c or command alt shift del) [03:18] and what happens is an icon pops up with a folder that has the finder icon blinking with a question mark as the cd drive revs [03:19] that happens for a while and then it just goes into normal os 9 startup [03:19] i'm very new to this, so please excuse me if I'm doing something dumb here [03:19] ok [03:20] can you open the cd in os9 [03:20] no [03:20] right after startup, before it goes to the desktop, a dialog box comes up [03:20] prompting me to format the disc because it cannot reda it [03:20] i had hear of problems with 700 meg CDRs on older macs, so i tested it by putting in an audio 700 meg CDR [03:21] and it read it fine [03:21] *had heard [03:21] did you verify the md5sum of the image download? [03:23] i'm not exactly sure if I did, but i used K3b on my desktop (suse 9.2) and before it burns, it has loading bar with the label "md5 sum" and I waited until it had finished that and found no problem with it [03:23] *has a loading bar [03:24] after it finished it put a check mark next to the label and the loading bar was replaced by what I guess is an md5 value (not sure exactly what md5 is, I used it superficially in php) [03:24] can you read the cd ok from suse? [03:24] let me try [03:26] yup, suse reads it fine [03:27] i can make a few suggestions [03:28] oaky [03:28] !burn | clarklinux [03:28] clarklinux: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [03:28] whoa, that's nifty [03:28] burning cds slowly x4 or less often helps [03:29] can you burn the cd on the mac? [03:30] no, the drive cannot burn discs [03:31] my sister has a new intel macbook [03:31] should I try burning it on that? [03:31] seems odd you can't even read the cd from os9 [03:31] forgive my ignorance, but does the speed difference between the drives of my desktop and laptop make a difference? [03:32] yes, very often it does [03:32] how do I adress that problem? by burning the disc at a much lower speed? [03:33] does the speed have to be less than the speed of the cd drive on the mac? (24x) [03:33] *have to be much less [03:34] yes, burning CDRs slowly make it easier for them to be read, especially older machines [03:35] also,does the disc writing mode on K3b (DAO, TAO, RAW) have anything to do with it? [03:35] ok [03:36] I don't think so. what's the slowest available speed? [03:36] the slowest available speed on k3b is 1x [03:36] then 2x and 4x === Mordicus [n=chatzill@APuteaux-154-1-8-235.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [03:36] hello [03:36] have fast did you do the last burn? === vidd [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:37] it was set to auto [03:37] grazie: hi again Grazie ! [03:37] so i'm not exactly sure [03:37] Mordicus: hi there [03:37] grazie: my installation stopped at 87%.... while setting the clok :'( [03:38] clarklinux: probably too quick. Follow the burn how to guide and try burning at x4 or less [03:38] Mordicus: oh dear! [03:38] grazie: is it a known bug ? [03:38] grazie: do I have to restart everything from the begining ? === johansalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-222.cbn.net.id] has joined #xubuntu === vidd is now known as vidd_laptop [03:39] Mordicus: I don't think it's a known bug [03:39] hey all [03:40] grazie: thank you so much -- i'll come back and let you know how it turns out [03:40] Mordicus: There's no easy to restart from where to it got up to [03:40] vidd_laptop: hi there [03:41] Mordicus: I network install may be good for you? [03:41] Odd_Bloke, ormiret i installed dapper and got the bcm43xx driver to work without issue [as per the instructions on the wiki] [03:41] grazie: so I trying again with the minimal CD... do I have to install the "server" only? === vidd_laptop wonders why he had so much issue in edgy [03:42] grazie: yes, network install, with the minimal CD... but it is ubuntu, and I want to be sure to install Xubuntu === vidd_laptop can understand with fiesty...it IS a testing release [03:43] Mordicus: the base install is the same for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu [03:44] grazie: so I use the server installation ? or the default installation ? [03:44] couldit be caused by installing the command line, and THEN apt-getting the desktop that causes the issue? [03:45] !install | Mordicus [03:45] Mordicus: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues [03:45] Mordicus: which do you mean? [03:45] is it possible that something is installed during desktop install that is missed in the apt-get? [03:46] grazie: When using the minimal CD to start, I'm asked if I want the default installation, or the server installtion.... [03:46] server installation = base only [03:46] Mordicus, you want the default [03:47] server will install server apps [03:47] over the default install [03:47] vidd_laptop: but it is Ubuntu minimal install... :/ I wanted Xubuntu === Sultanovich [n=sultan@host64.201-253-225.telecom.net.ar] has joined #xubuntu [03:47] Mordicus, what you want is ubuntu-minimal+xubuntu... [03:47] vidd_laptop: ok ! never mind, I'll learn to change later :) [03:48] not ubuntu-minimal+UBUNTU [03:48] vidd_laptop: oh ! :-o [03:48] vidd_laptop: ok ! [03:48] the desktop will get installed LATER.... [03:49] and the gesktop [and assosiated apps] is the ONLY difference between the *buntu's [03:49] ok [03:53] once your minimal is installed....you will want to sudo aptitude udpate && sudo aptitute install xubuntu-desktop to get the full Xubuntu experience [03:53] vidd_laptop: ok ! the network install looks complex :s === vidd_laptop is learning that aptitude is better then apt-get [03:54] which minimal CD shall I use ? Feisty or Edgy ? [03:54] can I try Feisty ? [03:55] Mordicus, you dont have a disk to download a full alt-cd? [03:55] yes, I can [03:55] alternate CD ? [03:55] Mordicus, you can try it....not sure if there is a minimal cd available [03:55] for Feisy, yes, there is one too [03:56] *feisty [03:56] Mordicus, the alt cd is a complete insataller...includes the desktop [03:57] and what will happen with minimal cd ? [03:57] it does not run the desktop environment in your ram...so it is better for lightweight systems [03:57] can't it donwload all the others files ? === vidd_laptop has never used the minimal cd [03:57] vidd_laptop: ok...! === vidd_laptop has cdrw's! [03:57] =] === vidd_laptop figures if he's going to burn a disk, he might just as well burn the full install, rather then get tiny pieces, and get everything after fighting to get his wireless to cooperate [03:59] =] === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:00] sure....it takes longer to get the ISO....put it is worth it to m with my linux-hostile equiptment [04:02] minimal CD started ! :) it's like the alternate install text interface, but it donwload package from the network! it works great and faster ! :p [04:03] Mordicus: pretty neat. do you have a local server that you use to install from? [04:03] Mordicus, you using the fiesty minimal? === bigfuzzyjesus [n=paul@12.206.21.84] has joined #xubuntu [04:04] did anyone else's xfce4-terminal break with the most recent feisty updates? [04:05] i have an unmet dependency and no xfce4-terminal on my amd64 box. [04:06] j1mc, hmmmm maybe i should wait till tommorrow's build to get fiesty [04:07] grazie: i burned the disc at 2x, had it verify the md5 sum, and it's still just revving when i try to boot from it. any ideas? [04:07] Mordicus, where did you find a minimal cd in fiesty? [04:07] j1mc: I have a router (local connection) and linux found it automatically ! I did not need to set any server parameters :) [04:07] vidd_laptop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [04:07] Mordicus: what do you mean, "found it automatically"? it found it on the web? [04:08] j1mc: I just plugged my network cable into mu laptop and the minimal CD checked my hardware and found it... [04:08] j1mc, his network card is supported by the kernal, and DHCP worked for him [04:08] j1mc: (sorry I am linux/network newbie, not sure I can explain very clear) [04:09] j1mc: *very clearly [04:09] clarklinux: I can't give you a definite answer, but some Macs have real problems booting linux cd [04:09] clarklinux, did you burn the cd from the MAC? [04:10] nope [04:10] from the linux [04:10] ... [04:10] clarklinux: using an alternative cdrom usually solves the problem [04:10] Mordicus: you should report that as a successful test install (if you're using Feisty) [04:10] clarklinux, from linux ON THE MAC? [04:10] j1mc: where to ??? [04:10] what do you mean by alternative cdrom? [04:10] clarklinux: i take it that your cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first [04:11] clarklinux: do you have access to a firewire cdrom? [04:11] Mordicus: read here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-March/003284.html [04:11] grazie: no I do not [04:11] grazie: i'm not sure what you mean by my cdrom is set to boot from the cdrom first [04:12] clarklinux: sorry, that your computer is set to boot from the cdrom before the hard drive . . . [04:12] clarklinux: no. it's actually the firmware on some cdroms that causes the problems [04:13] clarklinux: it would be a setting in your bios . . . you could change the setting at boot. [04:13] clarklinux, if you burned your cd on a x86 or ADM64 machine and you are running a NON-Intel mac...your mac hardware MAY have issues reading the cd (if its a live cd) [04:13] not sure about the alt [04:13] clarklinux: the firmware can sometimes be patched but it's a bit risky [04:13] grazie: not it is not...I have to hold either "c" or "command alt shift delete" [04:13] personnaly, I would recommend (noob recommendation) to use the minimal CD install to avoid problems with CD checksum...everything is donwloading from the web, it goes faster :) [04:13] grazie: i'm using the alt cd [04:14] grazie: i also just got a dialog box saying that it cannot read the disk...it wants to format it to "macos standard 602.1 mb"...is that the max it can read? [04:14] clarklinux: no. i think your getting confused between pc bios and open firmware [04:14] grazie: I'm sorry, i'm lost [04:15] clarklinux: the firmware I'm referring to is inside the cdrom itself [04:15] clarklinux, did you brn the cd from a mac running linux or a PC running linux? [04:15] grazie: a pc running linux [04:15] vidd_laptop: the mac can't burn [04:15] grazie: sorry if that was a crucial fact I left out [04:16] clarklinux: no problem....it's only affects a small number of macs [04:16] and the mac cant read pc disks [04:16] so i need to burn this from a mac? [04:16] it would be EASIER [04:17] is the other method very compicated? [04:17] clarklinux: I don't think it will help [04:17] okay [04:17] that is why grazie is asking about your firmware.... [04:17] okay [04:17] [i think] [04:18] clarklinux: it probably your cdrom... can be replaced of course but... [04:18] the cdrom drive works fine with other cds [04:18] yes it an apple thing! [04:18] Clarklinux, you should try what i am doing : if you have a network connection, download and burn the "Minimal CD" (only 8Mo), then it will install the system from internet... I had a lot of trouble with CD too, but with internet it goes really FFAASSTTEERR :) [04:19] it booting none mac os that's the problem [04:19] exactly [04:19] Mordicus: you must have a fast internet connection [04:19] it will not recognize the cd [04:19] j1mc: yes, ADSL 8Mo [04:19] Mordicus, he needs to get his mac to READ that cd for it to work! [04:20] Mordicus: will not solve the problem...still need to boot a linux kernel [04:20] vidd_laptop: oops, sorry... >_< [04:20] can your mac boot from a usb drive? [04:20] I got a lot of problem with ISO burning... [04:20] you might try the minimal on that..... [04:20] that's why I am very happy with the network installation [04:21] i'm not sure [04:21] never tried it [04:21] its OS 9 [04:21] Mordicus, i cant find the minimal cd for fiesty! [04:21] pre-usb drives [04:21] so i don't think so [04:21] clarklinux, break out the floppies! [04:21] =] [04:21] hahaha [04:21] 3 floppies to install [04:22] no floppy drive on the mac [04:22] thanks for the suggestion though [04:22] vidd_laptop: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [04:22] vidd_laptop: it is on this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [04:23] grzie: so you think that there is a problem with my cdrom drive? [04:23] clarklinux: a network install may be possible, but it's not easy.. [04:23] clarklinux: most likely...I can't be certain [04:23] hmm [04:23] woah woah woah !!!!!!!!!! [04:23] the minimal CD is a genius !!! :D [04:24] Mordicus, wow..that WAS fast! [04:24] Mordicus: surprisingly few people do it! [04:24] now he just asking me if I want : ubuntu, xubuntu, etc..... ! :p [04:24] sorry if this is ignorant, but if I could get the install files to the mac through a regular (not iso) disk, could I install it? [04:24] I just have to select Xubuntu... and it is going on to install ! :D [04:24] sorta... [04:25] you need to have it in a bootable section [04:25] clarklinux: USB key ?? [04:25] its rather tricky [04:25] mordicus: i don't think OS9 can even read those [04:25] hmmm [04:25] clarklinux: OS9 ? oops.. [04:25] clarklinux: it can read them, but booting is more difficult... [04:26] ah [04:26] so again just to clarify, nobody thinks that burning the disk from another mac would help? === vidd_laptop thinks it WILL clarklinux [04:26] okay [04:27] as long as it is an OS9 mac [04:27] oh [04:27] well scratch that then haha [04:27] It may help because I had A LOT OF problem with my disks drive and with my CDRW... :s [04:27] is your OTHER mac an intel-mac? [04:27] yep [04:27] a new macbook [04:27] there-in liesthe issue === Sultanovich say hi [04:27] yeah i see [04:27] clarklinux: it may help...but unlikely [04:28] grazie: i don't understand how there could be a problem with the cdrom drive if it reads other cds fine [04:28] clarklinux, can you make a bootable section? [04:28] vidd: if I could I don't know how === vidd_laptop is off to try this net-install.... [04:29] If Clarklinux has a fast internet connection, he should try to burn a minimal CD... it is so small, that I 'm sure there are less writing/reading errors possible [04:29] is it an iso disk [04:29] clarklinux: apple modified their cdrom firmware so that you can't boot mac os with any old cdrom [04:29] hmm [04:29] what if i formatted the HD [04:29] there's nothing on there i need and i have the os 9 software if i need it [04:29] if all else fails and i need to reinstall it [04:30] the firmware is OS independent... no ? [04:30] clarklinux: however it sometimes makes it very difficult to boot linux [04:30] Mordicus, if he cant get get the boot disk to boot, it dont MATTER what is on it [04:30] I mean, the CD-rom firmware [04:30] but it may be a problem with download or burning the CD-rom, no ? [04:30] grazie: in what way? would it be apparent at the start, or would it be some kind of tricky situation that i get entangled in further down the road [04:31] mordicus: i used k3b and I checked the md5 sum...it worked on my desktop (suse 9.2) [04:31] clarklinux: it simply that you can't boot the linux cd [04:31] clark....did you get the PPC version????? [04:31] vidd: yep === grazie hopes so [04:32] I have to CRW at home, and some ISO won't run if they are burnt with one of these two :s [04:32] grazie: if you think that there's a decent chance that formatting the HD would do it, i have no problem doing it [04:32] *I have 2 CDRW drive [04:32] he said it worked on his desktop...an x86 machine.... [04:32] because it it doesn't work then I can just reinstall os9 [04:32] clarklinux: no [04:32] okay. [04:32] vidd_laptop: ah ok, I didn't know :( [04:33] well........im off to try this net install [04:33] wish me luck! [04:33] should I try a different burning program? would there be any sort of plugin i could get for k3b to burn os9 friendly isos? [04:33] thanks vidd for your help [04:33] good luck [04:36] good luck ! [04:37] clarklinux: I think these your options [04:37] clarklinux: 1. new cdrom - no guarantees it'll work [04:37] clarklinux: 2. install os on another ppc machine and copy over [04:38] clarklinux: 3. take the hd out of laptop and install os on another machine - tricky removing hd [04:38] clarklinux: 4. network install - hard to set up [04:38] grazie: i know that os9 touts being able to boot from the network [04:39] how would I set this up? (if I were to use my suse desktop) [04:40] clarklinux: it's open firmware that needs to network boot I think - but I never needed to do it [04:40] not sure what that means [04:41] clarklinux: your g3 is new world? [04:41] i bought it on ebay running OSX 10.2 [04:41] i don't know any other way to tell if it's new world [04:42] if it's new world it'll have open firmware [04:43] what does that mean and how do I determine whether or not it's new world [04:43] i know that I can select "startup from network" [04:43] open firmware is similar to pc bios [04:43] what machine is it exactly? [04:43] powerbook g3 lombard [04:44] It's NewWorld. [04:45] thank you [04:45] so how would I go about setting up a network boot? [04:46] clarklinux: you'll need to google....although I think there's a guide in ubuntu wiki...but it will be tricky [04:48] i'm reading the wiki now [04:48] i think i will try burning the disk from my sister's computer [04:49] because they're both new world, so they should have the same type of formatting, correct? [04:49] or no, sorry we established they wouldn't [04:49] intel vs ppc === grazie not very hopeful [04:49] mm [04:49] well i'll go on from here by myself [04:49] thank you so much for all your help [04:49] you're welcome [04:49] bye === frtmonster_ [n=frtmonst@89-138-6-157.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #xubuntu === frtmonster [n=frtmonst@89-138-6-157.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #xubuntu === odat [n=kevin@71.207.39.41] has joined #xubuntu [05:15] hi everyone [05:16] i have installed feisty xubuntu on a few machine now and i noticed something [05:16] when i upgrade to feisty i get a hard drive icon a floppy icon and a trash icon on the desktop [05:16] when i do a fresh install i just get a floppy icon [05:16] how can i get all those icons on a fresh install? [05:18] ? === Sultanovich [n=sultan@host64.201-253-225.telecom.net.ar] has left #xubuntu ["Abandonando"] [05:25] ok [05:25] that is a good question :D! [05:26] first, you must [05:26] OMG ZOMBIE ATTACK! ahh!! brb === sponix [n=family@c-68-51-218-143.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:27] ok, you must edit the config file that the live cd uses [05:27] or wherever the install is getting directions from [05:27] and by the config file [05:27] i mean, some configs somewhere [05:27] thereforeh, technically, i cannot be wrong with my solution o_o [05:27] oh shit, microsoft is going to knock my door down and make me work for them :( [05:31] odat [05:31] what does your fstab look like? [05:32] gah [05:32] /etc/fstab [05:32] he needed to edit that [05:39] !code [05:39] Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida === Akuma_ [n=aaa@modemcable213.191-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #xubuntu [06:02] how do you get linux to play wma or quicktime files? [06:05] !wma [06:05] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [06:05] !quicktime [06:06] cclampblues; does that help at all? [06:07] yeah i didnt know that guy was around [06:07] ubotu? [06:07] its a bot ;) [06:08] !plans to kill all humans [06:09] heh [06:20] thanks eagle101 and bot. [06:20] what is the keyboard shortcut to open a terminal window [06:20] ? [06:22] !terminal [06:22] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). 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[08:47] moin === hyper_ch [n=hyper@84-75-60-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #xubuntu === k^^ [i=kk@digital.celebris.net] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === Koji-Murasame [n=nick@69.41.110.215] has joined #xubuntu === Koji-Murasame [n=nick@69.41.110.215] has left #xubuntu [] === hyper [n=hyper@84-75-60-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #xubuntu [09:47] !nvidia [09:47] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [09:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [09:52] is the nvidia legacy driver somewhere? [09:53] !nvidia-legacy [09:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia-legacy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === moe_evil [n=patatama@eu85-84-20-61.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #xubuntu === moe_evil [n=patatama@eu85-84-20-61.clientes.euskaltel.es] has left #xubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === mekke [n=meklit@tristram.ugent.be] has joined #xubuntu [10:24] !nvidia [10:24] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [10:26] anyway to enable the shade on scroll on window title bar? === mekke [n=meklit@tristram.ugent.be] has left #xubuntu [] === mekke [n=meklit@tristram.ugent.be] has joined #xubuntu [10:28] still listening... === esc_on_anakin [n=esc@p57BB642A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@upcoguildford.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === ochosi [n=chatzill@chello084114031037.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [11:50] sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude upgrade [11:50] ups :) === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === rubmeister [n=lizh@c83-249-50-252.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #xubuntu [12:04] hi [12:05] i was wondering if someone here could help me? [12:06] !ask [12:06] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [12:06] :P [12:07] well, im quite new in linux, and i wanted to try out xubuntu, cause i heard it's good for older pc's, so i was wondering if i should choose the alternative cd or the desktop cd? i still want to have my windows to [12:08] the difference between the live cd and the alternate cd is that you can run xubuntu from live cd without installing it, but it needs much more ram [12:09] TheSheep: you saw my question about the scrolling? where the hell did you disable it? [12:09] xubuntu will not touch your windows without your permission -- you will still be able to boot into it from the menu at the beginning (after pressing esc at boot) [12:09] El_Angelo: what scrolling? [12:09] scrolling on the window borders on a vanilla xfwm4 results in shading it... [12:10] El_Angelo: yes, it's very handy, I use it all the time [12:10] well my pc is a 450 mhz with 128 mb ram, 15 gb hd [12:10] doesn't work on this xubuntu i just installed... [12:10] hmmm [12:10] could it be just the theme? [12:10] should i choose the alternate cd ? [12:10] El_Angelo: I don't think so [12:11] then why doesn't it work? [12:11] hmmm [12:11] El_Angelo: but I just remembered I have compiled the xfwm4 myself to have the gimp patch [12:11] i actually haven't tested if the scroll button works at all.... [12:11] that would be pretty dumb [12:11] hmmm === kumamoto [n=kumamoto@68-116-129-113.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:15] meh [12:15] it's indeed that [12:15] kvm is not passing scrolling events [12:15] sorry for the noise [12:16] El_Angelo: no problem, still remember the desktop icons thing :) [12:17] El_Angelo: btw, it's OT here, but do you maybe know how and where thunar stores its bookmarks? [12:17] El_Angelo: I'd like to try and make a panel applet displaying them [12:18] the bookmarks are a gtk thing [12:18] you can see them as well in the gtk file chooser [12:18] El_Angelo: I coudn't find nethier any .desktop files nor single config file for them [12:18] ~/.gtk-bookmarks [12:18] ;) [12:18] El_Angelo: thank, how could I miss them... [12:19] if you don't know that they are actually gtk stuff :) [12:19] El_Angelo: I did kno that [12:19] :) [12:19] El_Angelo: well, at least suspected [12:19] El_Angelo: because thunar could have extended them somehow [12:19] you know, emblems and things [12:20] they are not really on the bookmarks [12:20] they are on the folders themselves [12:20] yes, now I can see it :) [12:20] thank you [12:20] you can't set the emblem in the bookmarks panel === esc_on_anakin [n=esc@p57BB5B69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:21] El_Angelo: do you mamybe remember any reson why Thunar doesn't disply the devices and bookmarks in the "go" menu? I coudn't find any reasoning on the wiki... [12:22] nope [12:22] nothing in the bugtracker? [12:22] ah, may be [12:24] nope, I'll add a feature request :D === leaphisto [n=tuuksi@a81-197-114-103.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu === moe_evil [n=patatama@eu85-84-20-61.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #xubuntu === moe_evil [n=patatama@eu85-84-20-61.clientes.euskaltel.es] has left #xubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === esc__on_anakin [n=esc@p57bb5349.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:46] what do i have to do to share my internet connection from my linux server to my windows client? [12:49] leaphisto: second network card in the linux box [12:49] i have it already [12:49] the point is to do the masquerading [12:49] i don't know how to [12:50] leaphisto: well, lots of tutorials for that in the Net, anything that works for debian will work for ubuntu too [12:51] ... [12:51] i don't have an access to www through this computer [12:51] that's why I'm asking here. [12:52] I have to run in several minutes, so I won't give you step by step tutorial, maybe somone else [12:53] anyone knows where i report a typo in xubuntu english usa [12:54] english usa isn't actually a 'translation' so it's not on launchpad [12:54] (or was it already freezed) === Laibsc1 is now known as Laibsch [12:55] TheSheep: that's okay. thanks anyway === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === Wizaado [n=Wizaado@c-68-35-207-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:16] wiki [01:16] ls [01:16] cd [01:16] ls [01:16] okay. [01:16] oh crap [01:16] :D [01:16] am must be going mad [01:17] possibly. [01:17] leaphisto: u say u r linux box has 2 nics right? [01:17] yeah. [01:17] one to the adsl-modem, one to my switch [01:18] eth0 goes to my switch, eth1 goes to my adsl-box [01:18] and you want it to act as a router for your other pcs'? [01:18] yes [01:19] it's iptables MASQUERADE somethingsomething [01:19] but i don't know what [01:20] ok for now can u r other pc connect without iptables? [01:20] yes [01:20] that's how I'm ircing atm [01:21] then you shouldn't a problem accessing the interworld [01:22] well i am having a problem to access www with my windows-machine through my linux box [01:23] irc chat client on the windows or linux box [01:24] on linux box [01:24] windows box cannot connect to internet at all [01:24] it can connect to linux but no internet [01:24] so basically: winpc -> linuxserver -| internet [01:25] when it should be: winpc -> linuxserver -> internet -> grannyporn!!! whee!!! [01:26] ok u r public nic gets a public ipaddr from your isp right [01:26] yes [01:26] through dhclient [01:26] ok [01:27] what is the routing of your private nic [01:27] ummm? === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:28] what do you mean by that? [01:28] where it is connected, or what? === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:29] kumamoto: ? === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:38] sorry leaphisto got distracted === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu === leaphisto is now known as leaphist0 === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:40] kumamoto: that's okay, did you receive any messages from me? [01:40] apparently i gotta register my nick [01:40] :( [01:41] nope didn't [01:41] okay. === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:42] by the way do u have an old pc lying around somewhere === leaphist0 is now known as leaphisto === idontknow2 [n=idontkno@c58-107-84-63.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [01:43] kumamoto: nope === esc__on_anakin [n=esc@p57BB6A2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:46] damn they come in handy for this task [01:46] :) [01:46] possibly [01:46] did you get my messages now? === Qew [n=qew@82-69-126-225.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === gripir [n=gripir@p549C8E4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === cinnander [n=peter@cpc1-cdif4-0-0-cust304.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] hey guys [02:51] I just installed 3ddesktop (and it worked ok) & tried to make a panel button to launch it, but when I did so and returned from 3d-mode my panels (top and bottom) were both gone, logging off/on and/or rebooting doesn't fix it .. I have to run xfce4-panel manually every time I log in :| [02:51] So, was wondering if anyone might know likely cause-- I'm thinking dead config/autorun script somewhere caused by some bug when i tried to make my launcher? [02:54] cinnander: after you've started the xfce4-panel successfully make sure you save session on exit. The problem is a buggy xfce4-panel app I think [02:55] is /etc/network/interfaces able to carry information about network bridges? [03:00] hiho === Vilhelms [n=Vilhelms@72.21.6.2] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] I'm having a problem. I just installed xubuntu-desktop using aptitude and when I try to login to the Xfce session I get an error that my X session lasted than 10 seconds. When I click view details I get the following message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10339/plain/ [03:03] lasted less than 10 seconds** === leaphist1 [n=tuuksi@a81-197-102-17.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu [03:05] Vilhelms: does that user exist? No profile for user 'jfanaian' found [03:05] hyper_ch, I log in as jfanaian [03:06] hyper_ch, So I'm assuming the user exists [03:06] hmmm, strange... no profile... [03:06] create a new user and try to login as taht one then [03:06] hyper_ch, And I can find it in the /etc/passwd file [03:06] hyper_ch, Okay [03:06] fyi, found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces [03:07] brb === Vilhelms [n=Vilhelms@72.21.6.2] has joined #xubuntu === leaphist1 is now known as leaphist0 [03:09] it works? [03:09] hyper_ch, Creating a new user fixed it, but I want to use the account I already have :( [03:10] Vilhelms: hmmm.... [03:10] hyper_ch, I'll try searching online and see if anyone else has had the same issue [03:11] hyper_ch, I figured that wasn't the issue because I get the same error on gnome if I view the ~/.xsession-error file [03:11] Vilhelms: I would try to copy the xfce folder from the new user to the old one [03:11] maybe that helps [03:11] hyper_ch, Let me try [03:11] Vilhelms: and you have to chown it to the vilhelms one after copying :) [03:11] hyper_ch, Thats sudo chown -R jfanaian , right? [03:12] Vilhelms: I'd try to /home/USER/.cache folder [03:12] copy that [03:12] Vilhelms: sudo cp -Rf /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache [03:13] Vilhelms: sudo chown -R jfanian:jfanian /home/jfanian/.cache [03:15] I did that, but if I do sudo ls -lah /home/jfanaian/.cache it doesn't list anything.... could it be because of permission problems or did it not copy? [03:16] Vilhelms: did you use my cp command? [03:16] hyper_ch, Yeah [03:16] Vilhelms: are you on command line right now? [03:16] hyper_ch, I have konsole open [03:16] ok, then let's make it simple :) [03:16] Vilhelms: sudo apt-get install mc [03:16] and afterwards: sudo mc [03:17] Ahhh :( [03:17] apt-get is not working [03:17] it doesn't output anything [03:17] what about: sudo cp -Rfv /home/NEW_USER/.cache /home/jfanian/.cache [03:18] of course you have to replace NEW_USER with the one you created before [03:18] Doesn't output anything either [03:18] Yeah I am [03:19] hmmm, then another option would be (1) make NEW_USE also able to use sudo (2) create a 2nd new user and copy all files over from jfanian (3) delete jfanian (4) copy the files back without overwriting (5) make jfanian also able to use sudo [03:20] it is just strange, that you can't copy over the .cache files [03:20] Couldn't I just login as jfanaian on gnome and copy the new user's .cache? [03:20] Using sudo [03:20] Vilhelms: that should also work [03:20] try that [03:20] hyper_ch, alright :) brb... thanks btw === robinlinth [n=robinlin@h8441230009.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #xubuntu [03:24] Anyone know a good lightweight bittorrent client for Xubuntu? [03:24] bittorrent === Vilhelms [n=Vilhelms@72.21.6.2] has joined #xubuntu [03:25] hyper_ch, Well. I was able to copy the files but it didn't work :( Same error [03:25] hyper_ch, I'm on the main account under gnome now though, so I should be able to run anything fine this time :) [03:25] Vilhelms: did you also chown afterwards? [03:26] Vilhelms, oh crap haha [03:26] hyper_ch, Brb again [03:26] hyper_ch, Graphical, please. And needs the possibility to set ports [03:27] azureus [03:28] robinlinth: did you try deluge? === Vilhelms [n=Vilhelms@72.21.6.2] has joined #xubuntu [03:30] grazie, Not in the repos. [03:30] hyper_ch, Well, that didn't work either [03:30] hyper_ch, I did notice that there is a ~/.xprofile owned by root on my account but not in the new user's account [03:30] Vilhelms: then copy the user files to some place... delete that acc and recreate it [03:31] hyper_ch, The contents are: /usr/bin/xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap [03:31] Vilhelms: ah ok :) [03:31] !deluge | robinlinth [03:31] robinlinth: deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information [03:31] robinlinth: don't think are any light weight bt clients in the repos [03:31] well, not graphical ones :) [03:31] hyper_ch, So basically copy /home/jfanaian to some place and delete/recreate the user? [03:32] Vilhelms: yes, that's what I would do [03:32] but first you must give your current acc sudo rights [03:32] or enable root [03:33] hyper_ch, which should i do? and how do i do that? does that have something to do with visudo? [03:34] hyper_ch, Doesn't my current account already have sudo? [03:34] I've never done it [03:34] Vilhelms: I don't know :) [03:34] hyper_ch, Okay, I'll look it up then :).. Thanks for the help! [03:34] the safe way is enable root [03:34] the not-so-sure-howto-do-way is [03:34] going to applications --> system --> users and groups [03:34] hyper_ch, Alright, I will try that in a bit.... It'll probably take a while to copy, I don't know how much space is used by /home/jfanaian but I'm sure its quite large :\ [03:34] and note everything down from fanjan user and apply it to the new one [03:35] Vilhelms: you could hardlink it [03:35] then you wouldn't use double disk space if that is a concern of you [03:35] hyper_ch, Won't it get deleted when I delete the account though? [03:35] Vilhelms: that's the beauty of hardlinks :) [03:35] hyper_ch, Actually I didn't even think about that... It probably won't fit in my drive haha [03:36] basically explained: Hardlinks --> Files [03:36] hyper_ch, Hardlinks? I'll have to read on that then =\ Never heard of them... All I know about linking is ln -s [03:36] Vilhelms: Symlinks --> Pointer to a hardlink === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:36] Vilhelms: Hardlink is sort of an entry in the toc of the harddisk (well, not quite) and it points to the physical data [03:37] hyper_ch, Ohh so if the data gets deleted in /home/jfanaian it will still remain where I made the hardlink? [03:37] Vilhelms: as long as data on the drive is directed to by a hardlink that file "exists" [03:37] Vilhelms: in windows you cannot have 2 toc entries pointing to the same data [03:37] Vilhelms: in linux you can [03:37] hyper_ch, okay, i get it... so simply put its two different sources pointing at the same data on the physical drive? [03:37] sort of [03:37] as long as there is at least one, the "file" exists [03:37] hyper_ch, Oh okay :) [03:37] I use this to make backups every 6h [03:38] Vilhelms: full backups :) [03:38] for 60 days backwards :) [03:38] hyper_ch, o.O but then it stays in the same drive... doesn't it? [03:38] when I run du my harddisk is so much bigger than it actually is [03:38] Vilhelms: yes, needs to be on the same drive [03:38] Vilhelms: otherwise it's a copy and not a "hardlink" [03:38] hyper_ch, What I mean, is that if its a backup, shouldn't you have it on an external drive? :\ [03:39] Vilhelms: ah, no sorry... I have it on a second harddisk on my computer [03:39] Vilhelms: and once a day I sync it with a server I rented [03:39] hyper_ch, ohhh... [03:39] hyper_ch, So you hardlink on a different drive? [03:40] Vilhelms: sort of [03:40] I can pastebin my little script if you want to see it [03:40] hyper_ch, Sure haha, I'm curious :) [03:40] first I made a real copy onto the other drive [03:40] and then upon each cycle the data there gets hardlink-copied [03:40] and synced [03:41] hyper_ch, Ohhh. I see [03:42] Vilhelms: http://phpfi.com/215477 [03:42] hyper_ch, so could you compare hardlinking to pointers in like a C program? [03:43] hyper_ch, If its pretty much the same then I think I understand :) [03:43] don't know C [03:43] it just creates in the table of contents an additional entry [03:43] which points to the same datablock [03:43] hyper_ch, oh... well basically a pointer is a variable that holds the memory address to an entry in memory, so 2 variables could point to the same memory slot but named different [03:43] hence the file exists twice [03:43] but uses only a few bytes === bur[n] er_ [n=burner@c-67-173-254-148.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:44] hyper_ch, Okay then yeah, it would be the same as far as I understand [03:44] a symlink is a totally different file [03:44] hyper_ch, ohh alright [03:44] Vilhelms: and the fun is, because the file exists twice when you use "du" then it's counted twice [03:44] e.g. if you hardlink a 500mb file twice [03:44] then du will return as diskusage 1gb [03:44] oh lol [03:45] hence you can store "more" than the max. capacity :) [03:45] it would be funny if my drive shows up as using up more space than it has available [03:45] haha [03:45] yeah [03:45] Vilhelms: my backup script is pretty simple but you should not have problems understanding what it does [03:45] hyper_ch, I'm looking over it now, thanks for showing me it :) heh [03:46] end $EXLUDES is a file that contain paths and full_path_files_names that should be excluded from mirroring by rsync [03:46] hyper_ch, Wow thats a good way to backup a sql database [03:47] hyper_ch, I remember having a pain last time I tried to write a backup script [03:47] it makes a backup of each database [03:47] in its own file [03:47] I don't compress it as rsync will then transfer more if it was changed :) [03:47] rsync only creates new files that were altered [03:48] I got bits and pieces from everywhere to create that little script :) [03:48] hyper_ch, So rsync copies the files excluding those that are in the exclude dir? [03:48] Vilhelms: yes... or you could set includes [03:48] hyper_ch, And those that weren't changed* (i just read what you said) [03:48] whatever you prefer :) [03:49] hyper_ch, Wow, thats really useful [03:49] rsync is really great :) [03:49] Vilhelms: my little exclude file http://phpfi.com/215481 [03:50] hyper_ch, Oh wow neat :) [03:50] well, each one what he wants :) [03:51] anyway, I'm off now [03:51] I'd recommend either enable root [03:51] hyper_ch, Alrighty, thanks so much for the help! [03:51] hyper_ch, Yeah I'll look into it both and see what I can do :) [03:51] or then have a look at the user settings and copy them all over [03:51] root can be very simple enabled [03:51] hyper_ch, Alright, I will try it :) Thanks so much [03:51] (I have it enabled myself because of automatic backup :) [03:52] you know russian? [03:52] hyper_ch, yeah i found it weird that you couldn't just sh to root [03:52] hyper_ch, No, I'm .. well I live in the US, I don't know what to consider myself as nationality though haha [03:52] Vilhelms: normally you don't need root [03:52] sudo is normally enough [03:53] hyper_ch, Yeah, well I was using to using fedora because thats what they had at my last job, and it doesn't use sudo i don't think [03:53] hyper_ch, I don't even remember now :\ [03:53] because I also backup files owned by root I run rsync as root [03:53] and I let my backup server login through ssh by root without password being asked [03:53] hyper_ch, Where in the script do you specify to run it as root? [03:53] Vilhelms: I run that script as root [03:53] hyper_ch, Oh! okay, that makes sense [03:54] it will need access to some root-owned files :) [03:54] if you don't have any root-owned files then you may not need to run it as root [03:54] hyper_ch, Yeah thats really neat [03:54] but the configs in /etc are nice to have backups [03:54] hyper_ch, Yeah heh :) [03:54] hyper_ch, Thats really useful... if I had 2 drives I would do it lol but I'm on a laptop :\ [03:55] enable root is simple: sudo passwd root [03:55] so you set a password for root [03:55] I think that's it [03:55] Vilhelms: external harddisk [03:55] Vilhelms: or rent a server :) [03:55] hyper_ch, It worked... well I think, I haven't tried logging in as root [03:55] hyper_ch, Yeah those are good ideas... I have an external at home but I have to wipe it lol [03:56] open a shell [03:56] su - [03:56] enter root pwd [03:56] and either it works or not === slow-motion [n=JohnDoe@p5b06e6af.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:56] yeah it does :) [03:56] anyway, good luck with your "user" problem :) [03:56] cool, thanks so much! [03:56] hyper_ch, Haha, alright :) Thanks for the help and the scripts [03:56] enjoy [03:57] hallo [03:57] huhu slow === aphesz [i=UNKNOWN@music.freak.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:07] I appended "profile" to the linux command line at the grup prompt and the system idicate that it was making a profile the startup sequence. How can I remove that "profile"? [04:07] ^grup^grub === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === TheSheep_ [i=sheep@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl] has joined #xubuntu === melvin [n=diez@car06-3-82-240-156-46.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #xubuntu === melvin [n=diez@car06-3-82-240-156-46.fbx.proxad.net] has left #xubuntu [] === Kresjah [n=a@ti231210a080-12823.bb.online.no] has joined #xubuntu === sdac1 [n=yag@89.211.204.95] has joined #xubuntu [04:49] hi, on xubuntu i accidently went to the "login Window" settings screen and selected "Chooser". Now on startup i get a different screen that asks me to enter names then click add...This screen does not allow me to login. Is there a way to re-select the old login manager program by changing some txt file while in recovery mode ? thanks === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@upcoguildford.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === jpc [n=Turk@unaffiliated/jpc] has joined #xubuntu === Mordicu1 [n=ivan@APuteaux-154-1-8-235.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:25] hello !:) [05:25] (ugly gaim smiley -_-) [05:26] Mordicu1: hi there [05:26] hi Grazie ! [05:26] Mordicu1: just chnge the smiley theme [05:26] Mordicu1: lots of them out there [05:26] I installed xubuntu using the minimal CD ! [05:26] where are the theme ??? [05:26] Mordicu1: great [05:26] Mordicu1: so you're up anbd running? [05:26] but... something strange... [05:27] http://www.google.pl/search?q=gaim+theme [05:27] I used the feisty minimal CD, but it installed the 6.06 version of Xubuntu :( [05:27] no! [05:27] fun! [05:27] the display is very slow, apps launch very slowly too.... [05:28] it is worst than 6.10 for my laptop (which is not a good reference!) [05:28] Mordicu1: it's a slow computer [05:28] Mordicu1: you can upgrade to 6.10 [05:28] is there a way to upgrade from Xfce 6.06 to feisty 7.04 ? [05:28] Mordicu1: why do you think it's 6.06? [05:28] not directly [05:29] when I launched Mozilla Firefox, I got a welcome page to Ubuntu 6.06.... [05:29] but I cannot be sure of the version installed [05:29] Mordicu1: documentation bug! [05:30] how to check it then ? [05:30] cat /etc/issue === vidd [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd is now known as vidd_laptop [05:32] Ubuntu feisty (development branch) \n \l [05:32] about Xfce : Xfce 4 Desktop Environment [05:32] version 4.4.0 (Xfce 4.4) [05:32] XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed] http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4 [05:33] Mordicu1, you the same guy talking up the net-install last night? [05:33] yes ! [05:33] but yesterday the installation was not completed, in fact === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-111.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:34] it worked great....but i found it ALOT slower then standard alt-cd install [05:34] only the base system installed, I had to type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop".... and then it download/installed the others files [05:34] for me it was faster, since my CD-rom is really slow..... [05:35] but Feisty is quite slow... when I launch an application, it takes 5-8 seconds before launching :'( [05:36] you low on resources? [05:36] Mordicu1: shouldn't be slowler than live cd though! [05:36] can someone tell me which text file contains the settings of what login manager to display when machine starts. I selected "Chooser" accidently and thus cannot login anymore...how do i re-enable gdm by editing text file ??? [05:36] Mordicu1: did you make a note of xorg driver? === arualavi [n=Iva@67.Red-83-33-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:38] grazie: xorg driver ? what is it ? how to ? [05:38] vidd_laptop: I have 192 RAM (sodimm PC-100), Celerom 600Mhz CPU (or 800, not sure :/) [05:38] how do i change my computer's localname without hosing the system? [05:39] Mordicu1: when you were running the live cd, the driver used can be seen in /etc/X11/xrog.conf....remember? [05:39] vidd_laptop: hostname? it can be tricky. [05:40] grazie: sorry, I do not remember.... :( What can I do ? I am sure there is a problem with drivers, it's too slow :( ) [05:41] Mordicu1, did it run faster from the live cd? [05:41] Mordicu1: look for Driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see what it i now (vesa I'd guess) [05:42] Mordicu1: do the same with the live cd booted [05:42] I did not boot from a liveCD but from the Minimal CD ! (8Mo only) [05:43] Mordicu1: you did yesterday (and got stuck) === vidd_laptop has to go.... === vidd_laptop will get help l8r [05:45] grazie: yes, I was stuck with the Live CD.... I guess there was a problem with one partition, so I reformatted the PC, and I used the Feisty minimal CD to reinstall Xubuntu, because with my CD-rom (very slow or broken) it takes ages... === aphesz [i=UNKNOWN@music.freak.net] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:46] grazie: the install with the minimal CD (loading from the network) was much faster for me, and I got no error this time. [05:46] Mordicu1: what's the Driver used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf now? [05:46] What should I check in the xorg.conf ? [05:47] Mordicu1: look for Driver ^^ [05:47] Section "Device" [05:47] Identifier "Carte vido gnrique" [05:47] Driver "vesa" [05:47] BusID "PCI:1:0:0" [05:47] this ? [05:47] yes [05:48] (sorry for the French language :s) [05:48] it is vesa, but I still don't think it should be as slow as you are describing [05:49] well, everything respond slowly :'( [05:49] Mordicu1: is a lot a hassle to boot with the live cd? [05:50] grazie: for me yes, but just because my CD-rom is slow, but I can do it.... should I boot from the Feisty live CD ? [05:51] (why should I boot with the live CD since Xubuntu is installed now ?) [05:52] Mordicu1: use whatever xubuntu live cd you have already ...to see what driver is being used...it may not be vesa [05:53] ok. So I boot from a liveCD... then I check xorg.conf drivers, right? [05:53] to compare [05:53] yes [05:54] ok rebooting ^ [05:54] Mordicu1: hold on [05:54] yes ? [05:54] Mordicu1: if it is different, save a copy of xorg.conf to disk or usb stick [05:55] ok [05:55] I will connect to irc from my Windows-PC (burk) === Mordicu1 [n=ivan@APuteaux-154-1-8-235.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #xubuntu [] === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-206-125-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === diskotek [n=diskotek@85.104.70.158] has joined #xubuntu === looping2 is now known as looping_ === jpc_ [n=Turk@unaffiliated/jpc] has joined #xubuntu === frtmonster [n=frtmonst@89-138-6-157.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #xubuntu [06:17] hi, what can i do to make my xubuntu run faster? i'm on a celeron laptop === jpc_ is now known as jpc === Mordicus [n=chatzill@APuteaux-154-1-8-235.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === cga [n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #xubuntu [06:20] re Grazie [06:21] It is not the same driver but I could not save the file, I rebooting with an USB key inserted [06:21] grazie: I also found an interesing page.... but I don't know how to apply this info : [06:22] grazie: http://www.freewebs.com/duckzland/r100.html [06:22] grazie: look at 3.6. Video Card Configuration [06:28] Mordicus: back [06:28] Mordicus: what was in the live cd xorg,conf? === B|nTaRa [n=denied@wbb128.fwa5.jaring.my] has joined #xubuntu [06:29] savage S3 or something like that... [06:29] ? [06:29] lo [06:29] I am rebooting with a usb key plugged... [06:29] but video respond better with the live CD [06:30] i installed xubuntu 6.06 [06:30] and then i upgraded === steveno [n=steveno@206.212.43.7] has joined #xubuntu [06:30] how i wanna know either im using 6.10 or not ? [06:30] Mordicus: you've got the live cd on usb key? [06:31] no, I booted with the 6.10 live CD (on CD-rom) [06:31] B|nTaRa: in a terminal type 'cat /etc/issue' [06:31] and now, I plugged a pcmcia card with usb key to save the xorg.conf file [06:31] $ cat /etc/issue [06:31] Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l [06:31] grazie, thank you [06:31] np [06:32] xubuntu takes ages to load my USB key content.... -_- [06:32] grazie, i just do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade [06:32] is that correct ? [06:33] B|nTaRa: you've upgraded already [06:33] \0/ [06:33] !upgrade | B|nTaRa [06:33] B|nTaRa: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [06:35] grazie, i didnt follow the tutorial [06:35] how can i know which services or probes i don't need in xubuntu so it would make my celeron laptop a bit faster === wolferine [n=pdeighan@unaffiliated/wolferine] has joined #xubuntu [06:40] B|nTaRa: you should have really done 'sudo apt-get update' and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list === BFTD [n=thomas@216.139.26.215] has joined #xubuntu === BFTD [n=thomas@unaffiliated/bftd] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === threat2_ [i=threat@60-240-43-214.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [06:42] i try to help you, you respond with personal atacks. You get banned. Simple <-- how did I personally attack you? === mode/#xubuntu [+o Seveas] by ChanServ === wolferine [n=pdeighan@unaffiliated/wolferine] has left #xubuntu [requested] === mode/#xubuntu [+b *!*@unaffiliated/wolferine] by Seveas === mode/#xubuntu [-o Seveas] by ChanServ [06:43] what's the cpu frequency manager job? [06:43] grazie, what happen if i didnt do like that ? [06:44] frtmonster: i suppose its all in its name [06:44] steveno: and what does the name say? [06:44] what cpu frequency does the manager job manage? [06:44] oh okay, now I'm following you [06:45] B|nTaRa: I don't know....what did you do? [06:46] well [06:46] just apt-get update [06:47] and apt-upgrade [06:47] thats all [06:47] it manages your cpu's frequency (assuming you only have one). the way i understand it though it only kicks in during extreme times [06:47] B|nTaRa: you must have changed sources.list === rmd_ [n=jason@c-24-98-234-179.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === kraut owns now xubuntu! \o/ :) [06:48] grazie, [06:48] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe [06:48] deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted multiverse universe [06:48] frtmonster: if your using a laptop it will probably kick in more often as you go on and off battery power [06:49] i see [06:50] B|nTaRa: they're edgy. (remember to use pastebin for multiline posts...just in case) [06:50] grazie, whats the latest ? [06:50] B|nTaRa: sorry [06:51] B|nTaRa: i was thinking feisty which isn't released yet [06:51] :P [06:52] when does xubuntu feisty come out, anyway? [06:52] B|nTaRa: just do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' then (if you've added edgy to all the entries in sources.list) [06:53] rmd_: forcast is mid April [06:53] hm [06:53] i thought it was sooner. it thought people were using it already === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #xubuntu [06:54] people are using alpha and beta test versions [06:56] grazie, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [06:58] grazie: can I boot with the alternate CD ? (without installing, just like a live CD ?) [06:58] Mordicus: no. install or rescue only I think [07:00] B|nTaRa: all's well then [07:00] :) === rins [n=fs@146.87-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #xubuntu [07:00] thank you [07:01] np === rins [n=fs@146.87-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #xubuntu [] === jikuty [i=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [07:10] i need help with mounting ntfs [07:10] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10370/ [07:12] B|nTaRa, are you sure you want to do that? NTFS writing can destroy your system [07:12] :/ [07:12] i just wanna read em [07:12] i mean, I've never had a problem with it [07:12] ah [07:13] grazie: I rebooted with Feisty, but now my laptop respond better.... O_O [07:13] B|nTaRa: You don't need ntfs-fuse then [07:13] grazie: I failed to boot with the liveCD, so burning a new one... [07:13] Mordicus: no don't need to [07:13] B|nTaRa, so whats' the problem? (X/K)Ubuntu comes with read support standard... [07:13] Mordicus: make sure you always check the md5 before you burn [07:14] grazie, any tutorials ? [07:14] steveno: Yes, usually I do.... [07:15] bye [07:15] B|nTaRa: it's easy but this is good >> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows [07:16] B|nTaRa: although you don't need to install gparted to just find out what the file systems are [07:16] grazie: so, should I keep generic VESA drivers, or try to find better drivers for my video card ? :/ [07:17] Mordicus: iirc you got a trident card? === soweto76 [n=jack@d226-43-189.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu === Zeqfreed [n=artem@217.151.225.44] has joined #xubuntu [07:20] B|nTaRa: you can use 'blkid' for example to find the file system on the disk(s) === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-206-125-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:25] grazie: Yes, it's a trident card (Trident Blade 3D agp) [07:25] grazie: I found a page with info on this card under linux (sent you a link upper) [07:26] Mordicus: look for xserver-xorg-video-trident in synaptic and if it's there install it [07:26] ok !:) [07:26] Mordicus: if it's no good you can always use vesa again (a great fallback driver) [07:28] ok === grazie is now known as grazie|afk [07:31] how do i unmount a partition and mount it somewhere else? [07:31] ostbagarn, sudo umount [07:31] ostbagarn, sudo mount [07:31] or something [07:33] sudo: unmount: command not found [07:33] ups [07:33] :p [07:33] device is busy :S [07:33] what are you trying to umount? [07:34] a partition ive mounted as warez [07:34] you wont be able to umount, say, a cd you're listening to, a floppy you're using, a usb stick that is being accessed... [07:34] i want it to be /Ftp [07:34] in that case [07:34] well [07:35] you can try halting HD access, anything that might be writing to that partition [07:35] is the partition listed in fstab? [07:35] whats that? :o [07:36] fstab is a file that configures mounted drives, etc [07:36] do me a favor and open a terminal [07:36] i have [07:36] and use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to post the output of "cat /etc/fstab" [07:38] still there? [07:38] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10375/ [07:39] hope thats right [07:39] that's right, yes [07:39] okay [07:39] now hit f2 and type "gksu mousepad /etc/fstab" [07:40] and change "/warez" to "/ftp" [07:40] save and close [07:40] when you reboot, the partition will be mounted to /ftp [07:40] but before you reboot [07:40] make sure you have created the /ftp directory [07:40] if you haven't, open a terminal and type "sudo mkdir /ftp" [07:41] then reboot [07:41] you win [07:42] thanks [07:42] no problem [07:43] just remember it wont be changed until you reboot, so you might want to just go ahead and do that now [07:43] yea [07:43] i just occured to me tho that maybe it was /home/ftp i wanted :o [07:44] well [07:44] lol [07:44] the /home directory is really for user folders [07:44] lol indeed [07:44] yea [07:44] i wouldnt really suggest a /home/ftp directory [07:44] ok === kraut deletes xubuntu :/ [07:45] i would prefer you do a /home/ostbagarn/ftp, but given what i think you might be trying to do, that might open you up to security risks. i dont know, i know next to nothing about ftp servers, etc [07:45] grazie|afk: xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed... so why Xubuntu use the vesa driver ? O_O [07:45] hehe i know zip myself === Mordicus_ [n=chatzill@APuteaux-154-1-43-84.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === kraut [i=fek@blackhole.packetloss.biz] has left #xubuntu [] [07:49] maybe one should had just mounted that partition as /home when i installed xubuntu since its way bigger [07:50] ostbagarn, it doesn't matter all that much. just need to remember where you have space and where you don't [07:51] i suppose [07:51] i know a few people who have very small /homes because they keep *nothing* there === \rabies\ [n=rabies@e176142002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:51] and they have complicated permissions patterns for where they do keep their data [07:51] they're freaky [07:52] hehe [07:54] what format does orge support? [07:54] orage? [07:58] what are you thinking of? [08:00] i was trying to figure out what calendar files orage recognized [08:00] but i figured it out === dannydog [n=kimh@c83-249-49-187.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #xubuntu [08:01] hello [08:01] could i get some help, im new in xubuntu [08:02] how can get opera in xubuntu? [08:02] just ask [08:03] you could always go to opera.com and download it [08:03] might be able to get it synaptic packet manager as well [08:05] <\rabies\> i cant delete files from hda2 dircetly, he move the files to hda1 (trash) <- this isnt nice [08:05] <\rabies\> ^sry, my english isnt so well [08:05] well [08:06] isn't possible to use the apt-get opera? [08:06] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10372/ [08:10] k === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu [08:11] dannydog, uh... i dont know why not, i know i have === GhostFreeman [n=ghostfre@67.58.94.102] has joined #xubuntu === Owdgit [n=ron@88-110-225-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu === tim__ [n=tim@host86-133-157-171.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === sdac1 [n=yag@89.211.215.62] has joined #xubuntu [08:34] well [08:35] how do i start the files i download from opera.com? === grazie|afk is now known as grazie [08:37] !opera | dannydog [08:37] dannydog: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser. Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser [08:39] !konquerer [08:39] Sorry, I don't know anything about konquerer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === dannydog [n=kimh@c83-249-49-187.bredband.comhem.se] has left #xubuntu [] === T` [i=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-38.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [08:56] so hey what is the command for starting Thunar in root mode again? [08:56] is it just sudo Thunar [08:56] or is there GTK something in there somewhere [08:58] gksu thunar is better (or gksudo) [08:59] ok [09:00] it seems to have opened it just fine but it still gives some sort of error message [09:00] Failed to connect to the D-BUS session bus. [09:00] Did not recieve a reply === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [09:02] chris13: I wouldn't worry about that [09:02] ok [09:02] thanks for your help === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-111.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === fxr [n=fxr@89.242.202.224] has joined #xubuntu === ForsakenSoul [n=Il1an@87.118.161.9] has joined #xubuntu === ForsakenSoul [n=Il1an@87.118.161.9] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-33-195.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === Ant1moN_ [n=danne@h57n1c1o1038.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #xubuntu [09:40] hey ... can some one help me .... [09:40] hi! do you know how to launch an app automatically on login in XFCE? === looping2 [n=cybertoo@ARennes-352-1-100-99.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [09:41] i`m trying to install xubuntu 6.10 on an old pc - 300 mhz processor and doble ram ... total 65 mb [09:41] and i am installing it in the alternative cd and it all goes perfect [09:41] till the menu Select and Install Software [09:41] it reaches 65% and freezes [09:42] configureng anthy [09:42] on Anthy? [09:42] yaea [09:42] yeah [09:42] ok, switch to the second console with alt+f2 [09:42] press enter to activate it [09:42] type 'ps x' to get the list of all processes [09:43] see what number the anthy process has [09:43] then type 'kill this-number-here' [09:43] this should get the installer moving [09:43] thanks [09:44] and is the anthy important ? [09:44] you can reinstall anthy later if you really need working japanese input methods [09:44] for typing japanese characters [09:44] I think [09:44] ohhh [09:44] !anthy [09:44] ok [09:44] anthy: A Japanese input method (backend, dictionary and utility). In component main, is optional. Version 7500-1 (edgy), package size 2749 kB, installed size 10388 kB [09:44] don`t neet to :D [09:44] thanks === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === grazie_ [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [09:46] do you know how to start an app at login in XFCE? [09:46] Ant1moN_: two ways === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu [09:47] Akuma_: close session with the app still iopen and make sure to save session [09:47] Akuma_: add app to Autostarted Application in Settings [09:51] ok thx...because I want to run a command. x11vnc at startup [09:51] Ant1moN_: you might want to investigate LTSP [09:53] ok thx...have to go...thank you for your help!! === czer323 [i=czer323@cpe-71-66-230-94.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === grazie_ [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === jad_jay [n=jay@fau42-2-82-239-195-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #xubuntu === tuna-fish [n=tuna@tunamasiina.kortex.jyu.fi] has joined #xubuntu === Mordicus [n=ivan@APuteaux-154-1-43-84.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [10:19] hello again ! === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.107] has joined #xubuntu [10:21] Mordicus: hi there [10:21] hi ! [10:22] the trident package is installed, but it is not used in xorg.conf.... [10:22] can I force Xubuntu to use the Trident drivers ? [10:22] of course [10:22] (xserver-xorg-video-trident is installed) [10:22] but how to ? [10:23] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:24] ok trying... [10:24] Mordicus: as cellofellow says or if you know what the driver module is called just edit and check the module is loaded? === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #xubuntu [10:27] the module loaded now (in xorg.conf) is the generic [10:27] now I typed the command line, chosen Trident.... and answering a few questions.... [10:27] just scroll around and pick trident in that window that asks for the driver in the reconfigure thing. [10:27] ok [10:27] yes I did it ! thanks ! [10:27] but what about framebuffer ?? [10:28] now ctrl+alt+backspace and see if it works. [10:28] dunno [10:28] I don't know how to configure framebuffer drivers. :/ [10:28] mine picks RIVA (nvidia-legacy) by default. [10:28] Mordicus: you can try that later [10:30] but now Xubuntu ask me a lot of questions !!!! :s [10:30] I am not sure what to answer, I just click ok, not changing anything [10:31] lots of stuff on keyboard. You will have to pay attention on the monitor size stuff. [10:31] but usually the defaults are fine [10:31] Mordicus: did you make a backup of xorg.conf? [10:32] do that before the config writes === grazie agrees [10:32] grazie: no, I did not backup :s [10:32] The reconfigure script makes a backup anyway. [10:32] it's not too late [10:32] :'( [10:32] it does, that's right [10:33] xorg.conf.somedataincludeingthedate [10:33] pray for me ! I press "ctrl+alt+backspace" [10:33] cya later === BFTD [n=thomas@216.139.26.215] has joined #xubuntu === Mordicus [n=chatzill@APuteaux-154-1-43-84.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [10:37] re [10:37] re [10:37] tragedy.... [10:37] Xorg server error, I cannot boot anymore... :'( [10:38] you can still boot [10:38] I am on another PC [10:38] my xubuntu laptop can boot... [10:38] ctrl+alt+F[1-6] to see tty terminals. [10:39] but it stops [10:39] with a xorg server error [10:39] fatal error [10:39] screen not found... [10:39] and many other info I cannot understand === ForsakenSoul [n=Il1an@87.118.161.9] has joined #xubuntu [10:39] can someone please help me [10:39] you can get to a tty? [10:39] !ask | ForsakenSoul [10:39] ForsakenSoul: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [10:39] i`m installing an xubuntu in a alternative cd [10:40] how is the stupid kill command [10:40] i`m typing [10:40] kill 56 [10:40] for killing anthy in xubuntu install [10:40] cellofellow: I've got the terminal, yes [10:40] and it says that there is no process [10:40] maybe it thinks you mean signal 56, if there is one [10:41] there are only 31 signals [10:41] ohh [10:41] so how should i kill it [10:41] i`m typing ps x [10:41] Mordicus: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf* [10:41] I was warned I should reinstall GDM... [10:41] LS or 1s ??? [10:42] ls [10:42] caps make big difference [10:42] ok (I thought it was a ONE 1...2 ...3) [10:43] hehe. [10:43] grazie: and next ? [10:44] it just shows me a number.... [10:44] (x11, without caps, did not work ! :-o I have to type X11) [10:45] Mordicus: yes [10:45] X11 [10:45] I did it... nothing special happened [10:45] it should list at least two files [10:45] oh yes! [10:46] how many? [10:46] 2 [10:46] xorg.conf and xorg.conf-otherstuff? [10:46] .... xorg.conf and the other ......xorg.conf.2007445185797101 (omething like that) [10:47] Mordicus: cd /etc/X11 [10:47] the fatal error message was (in the report) : no screens found O_O [10:47] ok [10:48] Mordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.crap [10:48] Mordicus: sudo mv xorg.conf.2007* xorg.conf [10:49] ok trying ! [10:49] then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart === xjonex [n=jone@dsl-roigw1-fe8ede00-5.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu [10:51] restarting !! [10:52] cellofellow: isn't that broken on edgy? [10:52] not here [10:52] k [10:52] the gdm init script works fine [10:52] thought there was a bug [10:53] any ideas on how i can make my xubuntu install run again after it freezes on 65% configuring anthy ? [10:53] Now I retry to set Xorg server ?? [10:53] ForsakenSoul: kill anthy [10:54] killed it [10:54] Mordicus: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf.crap [10:54] and it when i cheked the progress [10:54] it wa still stuck [10:55] it show me a driver list [10:55] my ISP hates apt-get [10:55] that really sucks [10:56] it pauses every few seconds. === dredhammer [n=dredhamm@pool-71-247-37-54.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:56] by the way this is a nice thing to say that i`m installing my first linux at the moment [10:56] ForsakenSoul: look at >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293514&page=2 [10:56] and this is my first encounter [10:56] for me too ! :D [10:56] Mordicus: a driver list? not just one line? [10:57] Mordicus: Driver or driver? [10:57] ?? [10:57] Mordicus: case is very important on linux & unix [10:58] does the desktop disc install of Edgy contain ndiswrapper in its repo? [10:58] Driver "kbd" [10:58] Driver "mouse" [10:58] Driver "synaptics" [10:58] Driver "wacom" [10:58] etc, etc.... [10:58] Driver "trident" [10:58] grazie: you forgot that more than one driver was involved I guess. :) [10:58] Mordicus: sorry ...my mistake...you want trident [10:59] yes [10:59] try grep -n Driver xorg.conf just see which line it's on === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu [10:59] trident instead of Driver actually [10:59] well unfortunately kill -9 doesn`t work for me [10:59] i`ve killed it once already [10:59] Mordicus: replace vesa with trident in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:00] in my case anthy shows with 20 S and 24780 D [11:00] do I type this : grep -n Driver xorg.conf ??? [11:00] do I type this : grep -n Trident xorg.conf ??? [11:00] don't worry about it [11:00] i type kill -9 20 [11:00] ok [11:00] and it doesn`t work [11:00] ForsakenSoul: why 20? [11:01] Can I change the identifier ? :) [11:01] Mordicus: sudo vim xorg.conf, and type "/vesa" once you started, and then change vesa for trident. [11:02] you can, but it's not neccesary. [11:02] ok [11:02] Mordicus: you know vim? [11:02] grazie: no :/ === cellofellow sees if nano can do search === grazie nano is better [11:03] DANGIT === pillo [n=pillo@86.111.64.62] has joined #xubuntu [11:03] when I type /vesa, i get E486 pattern not found : vesa [11:03] Firefox keeps crashing everytime i view a myspace profile [11:04] well, must not be that [11:04] BFTD: that is weird [11:04] I changed vesa to trident in xorg.conf, but I cannot save :( [11:04] BFTD: the Javascript console may help [11:05] "can't open file to write" [11:05] Mordicus: save with esc :wq [11:05] did you use sudo? [11:05] I just opened the xorg.conf file [11:05] I think you should use nano === grazie agress [11:05] exit with :q! [11:06] with what ? ":q!" ???? [11:06] what command is that ? [11:06] Warning: Unknown property '_width'. Declaration dropped [11:06] the vim command [11:06] BFTD: sounds like MySpace has buggy j-script [11:06] hrm [11:06] sorry I am lost [11:07] Mordicus: just enter :q! [11:07] in xorg.conf ? [11:07] your still in vim? [11:07] cellofellow it just crashed on youtube too [11:07] not, I opened the file xorg.conf to replace vesa by trident, but I cannot save :/ [11:08] Mordicus: just kit Esc key [11:08] Mordicus: did you open with vim? with nano? with some graphical editor? [11:08] Mordicus: then enter :q! [11:09] with mousepad ! [11:09] hehe [11:09] oh [11:09] I need to isntall flash [11:09] I already installed it though [11:09] Mordicus: quit mousepad [11:09] ohh ... every time i kill the stupid anthy with kill -9 either gives me a no such process and the number or kills it and doesn`t go on [11:10] i think it restarting :( [11:10] ForsakenSoul: how about you try `sudo top` === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #xubuntu [11:10] when I type sudo vim xorg.conf, I get an empty file :/ [11:11] Mordicus: no forget vim......sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [11:11] Mordicus: that because you editting /home/you/xorg.conf [11:11] easiest would probably be gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the alt+f2 run dialog [11:11] cellofellow: ok ! [11:12] so, in vim, I change "vesa" by "trident" ? [11:12] yeah [11:13] then esc :wq to save and quit [11:14] I saved using ctrl-O and exit :s [11:14] but it has been saved [11:15] now reboot ? [11:15] cellofellow: sorry I do not understand how to type ":wq".... may be because my Xubuntu is in French [11:16] just the characters :wq [11:16] it did not work :/ [11:16] unless vim is different in other languages [11:17] when I type : and w and q... it's like I am writing text in vim, in the xorg.conf file :/ [11:17] you must hit Esc key to exit insert mode first [11:18] but it has been saved (I use the help menu with commands to save ! :) ) [11:18] great! [11:18] just restart X as before >> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart [11:19] starting gnome display manager [11:19] (i did not reboot) [11:19] shall I press ctrl+alt+backspace ? [11:19] makes no difference [11:20] so now I use the trident driver ?? [11:20] yeah [11:20] cool ^^ :D [11:20] Mordicus: you ARE using the trident driver...any better? [11:21] yes, it looks a little bit faster :) [11:21] I would like to play a video to test any difference.. [11:21] I have installed mplayer [11:21] but it cannot open my AVI file :'( [11:22] !codecs | Mordicus [11:22] Mordicus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@static-72-86-132-220.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:23] Mordicus: and Feisty will have CNR and you'll be ably to pay for and download legal codecs, instead of this semi-legal stuff we do here. [11:24] !CNR [11:24] semi-legal ? :p Why ? [11:24] Sorry, I don't know anything about cnr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [11:24] cellofellow: CNR? [11:24] Click and Run. [11:24] I can read this in the help for Fiesty [11:24] Linspire stuff [11:24] Click Applications Add/Remove. Select Other and then select the Ubuntu restricted extras package. Click OK [11:24] cnr = Clin 'n run [11:24] but I cannot find the add/remove menu.... [11:25] I don't care for it, prefer aptitude. [11:25] Mordicus: it's in Other I believe [11:25] That's for Ubuntu, that particular menu item. [11:26] ah ok ^^ [11:29] *wave* cellofellow [11:29] *wave* [11:30] I cannot find the "Ubuntu restricted extras" :s === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-157-47-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu === grazie__ [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [11:31] !mp3 [11:31] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats === cellofellow looks at wiki page === Mordicu2 [n=ivan@APuteaux-154-1-43-84.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [11:31] I am here (Mordicus) [11:32] ok [11:32] one minute then === grazie__ is now known as grazie === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:34] why does Xubuntu use Firefox 1.05 and not version 2.02 ? is it lighter ??? [11:35] Mordicu2, cuzz you didnt run the update? [11:35] Xubuntu Dapper uses 1.5 cause it's just older. 2.0 is actually a little faster. [11:35] Edgy has 2.0 [11:35] 2.0.0.2 to be precise [11:35] as does fiesty [11:35] !firefox dapper [11:35] firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.10-0ubuntu0.6.06.2 (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB [11:35] !firefox edgy [11:36] firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB [11:36] !firefox fiesty [11:36] firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.2+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 9009 kB, installed size 28608 kB [11:36] ... [11:37] Mordicu2: on this page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats, you see the box with the apt-get command? do that [11:37] forget the ogle and gxine bit though [11:37] and do mplayer instead. :) === ForsakenSou1 [n=Il1an@87.118.161.9] has joined #xubuntu [11:38] yes, I go with mplayer [11:39] I need extra codec, it's very important since I use many different video [11:39] Mplayer uses any codec you throw at it [11:39] w32codecs in particular [11:40] Mordicu2 RE: Firefox - I don't understand as you installed Feisty? [11:41] grazie: oh yes ! sorry ! it's version 2 now ! But I noticed the last time, when I installed the 6.10, that mozilla 1.5 was installed [11:42] if you installed Edgy before it was released, Firefox 2 wasn't released yet. [11:42] Mordicu2: Well ubuntu is only released every 6 months === vidd_laptop wants to DOWNGRADE to 1.5...so he can get thunderbird to scan hotmail [11:43] you had some hack going on? extensions or something? [11:43] yeah [11:44] it wont work with firefox 2.0 for some reason [11:44] libdvdcss2... I get an error message trying to install libdvdcss2 [11:44] dependencie is not satisfied [11:44] use Gdebi [11:44] that is the -dev [11:44] *dependency is not satisfiable [11:45] I tried, I could not install it [11:45] sudoapt-getinstallgdebi [11:45] you need to get the NON -dev [11:45] won't work [11:45] gdebi already installed I think [11:45] I followed the instructions on the help age :s [11:45] page [11:46] Mordicu2, did you get libdvdcss or libdvdcss-dev? [11:46] ok.. may be not the good packaage [11:46] http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/ [11:46] it's dev, you're right ! I did not pay attention to this [11:46] use that to get libdvdcss2 ^ === vidd_laptop had the same issue [11:48] the download page is not clear at all -_- [11:48] Mordicu2, libdvdcss-dev requires libdvdcss [11:48] I get this one : libdvdcss2_1.2.5-1_i386.deb [11:49] now it seems to work [11:49] yep [11:52] I still get an error when I try to play an avi file :( [11:52] you need w32codecs [11:52] and use mplayer [11:53] i typed this : [11:53] wget -c http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb [11:53] and it was ok i think [11:53] next I tried to read the avi file with mplayer, and it crashed :s [11:54] avi is a container, like Ogg, and can have a number of codecs in it. [11:54] Ogg can have Vorbis audio streams, Theora video streams, multiples of both, etc. [11:55] but what can I do next ? [11:55] :/ dunno [11:56] I think mplayer can use libxine-extracodecs [11:56] if you don't have that [11:56] error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device [11:56] oh, hehe [11:57] open gmplayer, and select x11 as the output plugin in the preferences [11:57] what ? [11:57] it had trouble outputing [11:57] gmplayer is mplayer GTK frontend [11:58] mplayer is a CLI app. [11:58] -_- I am lost [11:58] But I am following your instruction :D [11:58] it's included in the package mplayer, don't worry [11:58] just open mplayer from the menu [11:59] there are many X11 drivers available.... [11:59] just use xv, it gives me no problems === looping2 is now known as looping_ [12:00] I selected it, I get the same error :( [12:00] try x11 [12:01] when you asked me to select the output plugin, you were speaking about the driver, right ? (in preferences) [12:01] yeah [12:01] Video Drivers [12:02] ok :) [12:02] well I get some image but.... :p [12:02] audio problem... [12:02] adjust the audio drivers too. :) [12:02] requested audio codec family.... [12:02] mp3 not available in compilation [12:03] afm=mp3lib [12:03] I get that when I play AVI's, but it still plays the sound === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu [12:03] aaudio driver is Alsa... [12:03] use that [12:04] so where the error comes from ? :( [12:04] my sound is very bad [12:04] that's a codec problem [12:05] mp3 (afm=mp3lib) is a special codec ? [12:05] A codec is just a file format. [12:11] well the best way to get rid of that message is to choose ffmpeg as ur audio codec when u choose it from preferences [12:11] that should get rid of that error [12:12] (I found that here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=343856 [12:12] but I do not have ffmpeg in audio preferences :/ === kalikiana is now known as kalikiana|away