| ogra | does pulse run run there already ? | 12:18 |
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| tovella | no, "ps |grep pulse" gives me nothing. | 12:20 |
| ogra | whats the error you get ? | 12:23 |
| tovella | let me check... | 12:25 |
| tovella | module.c: failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed. | 12:30 |
| tovella | main.c: Module load failed. | 12:30 |
| tovella | main.c: failed to initialize daemon. | 12:30 |
| tovella | ogra: sorry... i don't have any console mouse installed to copy/paste. | 12:31 |
| ogra | try adding -n | 12:31 |
| tovella | ok... | 12:31 |
| ogra | that should ignore the config file (which tries to load the esd compat module) | 12:32 |
| tovella | main.c: daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work. | 12:33 |
| ogra | pfft | 12:34 |
| ogra | silly thing ... | 12:34 |
| ogra | ok, but the binary is there ... | 12:34 |
| ogra | i wonder why it doesnt start then | 12:34 |
| ogra | add -L "module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1" | 12:35 |
| ogra | so we give it a module ... | 12:35 |
| ogra | and probably -L module-detect | 12:35 |
| ogra | so it will detect the soundcard | 12:36 |
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| tovella | ogra: will do... | 12:36 |
| cbx33 | ogra, hey dude | 12:36 |
| ogra | yo | 12:38 |
| tovella | ogra: module.c: Failed to open module "module-native-protocol-tcp": module-native-protocol-tcp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. | 12:42 |
| ogra | hrm | 12:47 |
| ogra | tovella, dpkg -l pulseaudio | 12:49 |
| tovella | ok... | 12:50 |
| ogra | should be 0.9.5-5ubuntu4 | 12:50 |
| tovella | ogra: yes, that's exactly what i see. | 12:51 |
| ogra | same for pulseaudio-esound-compat ? | 12:52 |
| tovella | let me check... | 12:52 |
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| tovella | ogra: yes, it's the same version. | 12:53 |
| ogra | ok | 12:53 |
| ogra | find the process id's of X and ldm, kill these procs, run /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start ... if X started, switch back to console and check for errors | 12:54 |
| tovella | ogra: ok... | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | ogra, dude .... so I'm curious | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | exactly when do you sleep? | 12:58 |
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| LaserJock | cbx33: same can be said for you sometimes | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | heh | 01:04 |
| cbx33 | I'm finishing up a quote for a projecy | 01:04 |
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| tovella | ogra: sorry, i got disconnected from the server...had to re-start the client. | 01:06 |
| ogra_ | same here | 01:06 |
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| cbx33 | LaserJock, "What is the correct place to ask about..." | 01:07 |
| cbx33 | would be solved by the book idea ;) | 01:07 |
| ogra | ah, that feels like me | 01:07 |
| tovella | ogra: i mean i got disconnected from the edubuntu server - had to restart the thin-client. | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | lots of comments | 01:08 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, would appreciate your thoughts after reading those | 01:08 |
| ogra | tovella, oh, how that ? | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | ogra, btw that horiz/vert didn't do anything | 01:09 |
| tovella | ogra: killed ldm, then X | 01:09 |
| cbx33 | unless I need to edit xorg.conf to make that mode available | 01:09 |
| cliebow_ | stil support for an entire xf86confgig file?? | 01:10 |
| ogra | tovella, that shouldnt log you out from the thin client console | 01:10 |
| ogra | cliebow_, sure | 01:11 |
| cliebow_ | 8~) | 01:11 |
| tovella | ogra: it did, but the login window never re-appeared. | 01:11 |
| ogra | tovella, its not supposed to | 01:11 |
| tovella | ogra: perhaps i screwed up somehow. | 01:12 |
| ogra | the /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start would have given it back to you | 01:12 |
| tovella | ...ahh, i see. not as familiar with ltsp as i'd like to be, but i'm learning more... | 01:13 |
| tovella | ogra: i indeed may have screwed something up... i was concerned that a session may still be active, so i did the "users" command. it reports 2 users, though no-one else is here. i think i should cold boot the server. | 01:15 |
| tovella | ogra: says 2 users, but only gives a single username. | 01:15 |
| ogra | that doesnt really matter since we only want to work on the client for now | 01:16 |
| tovella | ogra: ok. | 01:16 |
| ogra | so check if there is a pulse process on the client console ... | 01:16 |
| tovella | ogra: ok... will do... | 01:17 |
| ogra | (dont even log in on the login manager, so you dont have any dropped or hanging sessions) | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | ogra: quick question (maybe), mdke just asked me if we should replace About Ubuntu with About Edubuntu in the gnome menu | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | or maybe at least add it there | 01:18 |
| ogra | if you hae an easy way to do that, i'd be happy | 01:18 |
| ogra | *have | 01:18 |
| tovella | ogra: i've already logged in via the login manager - using Gaim. | 01:18 |
| ogra | ok | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | ogra: hmm, I'll have to dig around in gnome-menus code to see how that's determined | 01:20 |
| tovella | ogra: i did got to tty1, though. logged in as root, and "ps aux|grep..." gives nothing for pulse | 01:20 |
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| tovella | ogra: i forgot to mention that the background for the login manager (on the thin-client) IS white. I'd been bouncing around back and forth from the server to the client so much that my brain signals must have gotten screwed up. | 01:29 |
| ogra | :) | 01:30 |
| bimberi | LaserJock: /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-about.desktop (package gnome-panel-data) | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | bimberi: wonderful, I was just thinking about that | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | seems like an odd place to stick it | 01:33 |
| bimberi | it took some finding :) | 01:35 |
| bimberi | it would probably be better to have an edubuntu-about.desktop and modify the menu to use it instead | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | yes | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | I would guess we'd have to have both though :-/ | 01:37 |
| bimberi | dsymons@asi:/usr$ sudo grep -R ubuntu-about * | 01:46 |
| bimberi | Binary file bin/gnome-panel matches | 01:46 |
| bimberi | hardcoding? ;) | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm not sure how to do it quite | 01:52 |
| tovella | ogra: i know i've kept you tied up with this for a long time, and i really do appreciate all your help. i don't want to keep you searching for something i might be able to resolve on this end, though. i've got some ideas about some other things to try... different sound card, and such. again, thanks for all your help, and i'll let you know if i'm able to resolve this. | 01:52 |
| ogra | LaserJock, well, its surely owned by ubuntu-docs | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | exactly :( | 01:53 |
| ogra | tovella, thanks :) | 01:53 |
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| LaserJock | so I don't know how it would be possible to move the .desktop | 01:54 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: actually I think the .desktop is owned by gnome-panel-data | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | it's not in ubuntu-docs .deb | 01:54 |
| ogra | meh | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | although the About Ubuntu doc is | 01:54 |
| ogra | worse then | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | yeah, docs stink | 01:55 |
| ogra | and one ltsp bug less ... yay | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | I don't know why we have to have stuff in at least 3-4 different source packages to get it | 01:55 |
| ogra | meh, i missed one commit ... | 01:55 |
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| cbx33 | LaserJock, why doesn't oodraw and oomath have icons? | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | ? | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | they should I think | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | well they dont | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | maybe the new OO.o look has some issues? | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | this is in edgy | 01:58 |
| cbx33 | it frustrates me | 01:59 |
| cbx33 | it's a big selling feature....esp oomath for schools/unis | 01:59 |
| cbx33 | nn | 02:05 |
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| ogra | oh crap | 03:29 |
| ogra | cbx33 changed a ton of stuff in TCM and didnt include the new glade file | 03:30 |
| ogra | argh | 03:30 |
| adrenalin1983 | Can someone please help me get my network up and running, I have dhcp working .. but I cant browse web pages. I am able to ping domain names. But when I attempt to apt-get update or mget something it attempts to connect to ip 1.0.0.0 | 03:30 |
| adrenalin1983 | and I cant view web pages | 03:30 |
| adrenalin1983 | Anyone? | 03:31 |
| adrenalin1983 | Please this is driving me nuts | 03:31 |
| bimberi | adrenalin1983: i've heard of this issue, give me a bit to look it up | 03:32 |
| adrenalin1983 | ok thank you I will be here waiting for ur responce | 03:33 |
| bimberi | hm, some say it's ipv6, others an issue with resolv.conf | 03:37 |
| adrenalin1983 | ok so what do you suggest to do ? | 03:37 |
| bimberi | !ipv6 | 03:37 |
| ubotu | To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4 | 03:37 |
| bimberi | try that first | 03:38 |
| adrenalin1983 | ok thanks | 03:38 |
| adrenalin1983 | will do | 03:38 |
| bimberi | hm, seems bo be bug 81057 | 03:43 |
| bimberi | @bug 81057 | 03:44 |
| bimberi | gr | 03:44 |
| bimberi | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057 "DNS Resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 intermittently on some ADSL Routers" | 03:46 |
| bimberi | adrenalin1983: if that doesn't work, try editing /etc/resolv.conf to have the addresses of your ISP's nameservers | 03:48 |
| adrenalin1983 | ok thanks if it doesnt work ill do that | 03:49 |
| adrenalin1983 | just rebooting now Ill let you know | 03:49 |
| adrenalin1983 | ok it was ipv6 | 03:50 |
| adrenalin1983 | I can browse web now just fin e | 03:50 |
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| adrenalin1983 | thanks for your help | 03:50 |
| bimberi | cool, no worries :) | 03:51 |
| adrenalin1983 | ciao for now ;) | 03:51 |
| bimberi | cya | 03:51 |
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| adrenalin1983 | hmm im back... My web browser works fine now | 03:54 |
| adrenalin1983 | but when I apt-get update it still tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 | 03:55 |
| adrenalin1983 | Im sure its not the router, because atm Im at the missus's place and I connect through a computer that has a router | 03:56 |
| bimberi | hmm, perhaps editing resolv.conf might work | 03:58 |
| bimberi | adrenalin1983: if that doesn't work, try editing /etc/resolv.conf to have the addresses of your ISP's nameservers | 03:58 |
| adrenalin1983 | yeah ill give that a go now | 03:58 |
| bimberi | (that was a repeat of my earlier post) | 03:59 |
| adrenalin1983 | yep that solved the apt problem :) | 04:03 |
| adrenalin1983 | thanking you muchly | 04:03 |
| adrenalin1983 | take care | 04:04 |
| bimberi | too quick | 04:05 |
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| ogra | sigh, i give up on TCM ... :/ no chance to work on it without the right glade file :/ | 05:15 |
| ogra | night all | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | night ogra | 05:16 |
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| crazy_bus | thanks for all your help so far. I am currently looking for a program to teach/assist someone learning musical instruments. Is there a program I could install to do this? | 08:42 |
| RichEd | crazy_bus: be more specific, what do you want the programme to do ? music scripting, music composition ? | 09:05 |
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| crazy_bus | sorry I had to leave for a bit. I was more thinking of something with flashcards of the buttons (on a instument)corresponding to a particular music note. Or a program along similar lines as that. | 09:39 |
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| crazy_bus | but anything to do with music would also be helpful | 09:45 |
| RichEd | crazy_bus: let me do a quick search ... back in a bit | 09:58 |
| crazy_bus | thanks | 09:59 |
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| RichEd | crazy_bus: http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/ | 10:22 |
| RichEd | look for the section: Sites For Classroom Music Teachers | 10:22 |
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| crazy_bus | thanks for the link. I'm reading it now | 10:27 |
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| adrenalin1983 | Hi, can someone help me setup xgl on my radeon 7500 | 10:28 |
| adrenalin1983 | bimberi, are you around? I spoke to you earlier today | 10:29 |
| adrenalin1983 | anyone? | 10:30 |
| adrenalin1983 | can anyone even hear me ? | 10:31 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: I apologise.....I am 99% sure the package worked fine on my machine | 10:35 |
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| ogra | cbx33, i'm nearly done with a new glade file | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | ok....removing the vnc capability? | 10:45 |
| ogra | gah, now i broke everything | 10:47 |
| ogra | grr | 10:47 |
| cbx33 | by the way | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | the bzr get worked | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | thanks for that | 10:49 |
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| ogra | hrm | 12:09 |
| ogra | we urgently need to do another UI session on TCM | 12:09 |
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| ogra | there is agood bunch of usability issues i'd like to solve ... but you cant have everything ... | 12:10 |
| === ogra uploads | ||
| ogra | cbx33, where do you set the client pw for the vnc stuff ? (i mean for the preview) | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | morningogra | 12:12 |
| ogra | or so ..., yes | 12:12 |
| cbx33 | in the code | 12:12 |
| cbx33 | look for vncvnc | 12:12 |
| ogra | right there is light outside, must be morning | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | is Edubuntu doing anything for SoC? | 12:14 |
| cbx33 | i'm hopng to | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | waiting on doko | 12:15 |
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| ogra | LaserJock, sure, why not ... i'm personally not yet sure i want to mentor, but feel free :) | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | well, I just saw on the Blue Obelisk mailing list that the chemisty projects didn't make it as sponsoring organizations | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | I wondered if they could try getting a project via Edubuntu and I could mentor | 12:18 |
| ogra | cbx33, oh, lisa updated the wallpaper .... | 12:18 |
| ogra | hmm, that color is pretty ubuntu | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | ogra: do you think that kind of thing ^^could work? I'm not very familiar with SoC | 12:21 |
| ogra | i think that could work, but you will need to make a plausible explanatin *why* its good for edubuntu | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | because Chemistry rules the world!!! | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the problem is the things I could think of are things that only I'd be interested in doing I think | 12:24 |
| ogra | cbx33, dou you think lisa could turn the color a bit more into orange ? | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it's a bit difficult to us our normal Edubuntu colors on a wallpaper without getting too bright | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | *use | 12:26 |
| ogra | wow, i uploaded TCM 5 min before the freeze | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | I can but ask ogra | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | wow | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | well done ogra | 12:27 |
| ogra | well, lets see, we'Re in freeze now | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | maybe a softer, faded orange would work | 12:27 |
| cbx33 | hang on | 12:27 |
| ogra | i havent done any artwork yet | 12:27 |
| cbx33 | I havn;t even see nthe new artwork | 12:27 |
| cbx33 | it;s a binary file....that's a simple bugfix right :p | 12:27 |
| ogra | looks way better, but its ubuntu brown | 12:27 |
| ogra | and i need it in a reasonable size | 12:27 |
| ogra | 1600x1200 or so | 12:28 |
| ogra | i dont want to scale up the one from the wiki, that will look shitty | 12:28 |
| ogra | yay | 12:30 |
| ogra | we have until 21:00 UTC | 12:30 |
| ogra | (for artwork) | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra: she is doing it now | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | oh ok | 12:30 |
| ogra | no hurry :) | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I thought our artwork was done by kwii for Feisty? | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | or is this just additional stuff | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | hahahah | 12:30 |
| cbx33 | sent her a text she's on it | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | I'm trying to get a testamonial from a kid | 12:32 |
| ogra | LaserJock, well .... | 12:32 |
| ogra | ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | . | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | didn't work out? | 12:32 |
| ogra | not realy | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | not exactly as we planned no | 12:32 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra: any edubuntu specific ideas for SoC? | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: are you doing SoC stuff again this year? | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | well i can mentor again if there is space | 12:43 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, not really, but probably RichEd has some | 12:44 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: ? what sort of thing are you looking for ? | 12:44 |
| ogra | i think i'll just look through the list of submissions once thats up | 12:44 |
| ogra | RichEd, a project for the summer of code ... | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | i hope doko got my request | 12:45 |
| ogra | ideas for apps we want written from students for us | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | Jason is a really great guy....very enthusiastic, but realistic | 12:45 |
| RichEd | ah ... can I browse any histoty to get ideas of the sort of scope & how big a chunk of work they can handle in the time ? | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: is he of age? | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:45 |
| RichEd | *history | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | he's finish | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | finnish | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | well lives in finland | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | originally from the states | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | iirc | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: the 2006 projects should be on the wiki somewhere | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | I offered to mentor him... | 12:46 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: got the wiki link from jsgotangco ... t | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | well i would like to mentor again if possible... | 12:46 |
| RichEd | thans | 12:46 |
| cbx33 | I know him quite well....his work on phimage was good | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I was thinking I could possibly too if the need arose | 12:47 |
| RichEd | f.y.i. Jono Bacon and I spoke about extending the Ubuntu LoCo's into a school specific community focus ... | 12:47 |
| ogra | RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | I guess we need to just find some projects :-) | 12:47 |
| ogra | thats the list from last year | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: well you have to be on the list to be able to see the applications | 12:47 |
| ogra | which reminds me .... | 12:47 |
| RichEd | In South Africa, in Cape Town, there are a couple of SLUGS = Schools Linux User Groups ... | 12:48 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 12:48 |
| cbx33 | maybe we should get YouthLUG involved there ;) | 12:48 |
| ogra | AAAAAAA .. Amaranth ? any idea if you will find time to make willow at least start again before release ? | 12:48 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: but there's a list on the Ubuntu wiki of some I think | 12:48 |
| RichEd | So Jono and I were tossing around the idea of how to build up similar for the Community & LoCo effort, and link this to a drive to promote Ubuntu as a development environment. | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: well yeah | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | our loco will be having a nature climb next month | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | NO COMPUTERS | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: that's not possible :p | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: sure | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | you must take just one | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: is/was there a deadline for signing up as mentors | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | with ubuntu on it | 12:49 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock: doko and Keybuk are dealing with it all this year | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: we all agreed we won't add more carbon dumping during the trk | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | trek | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: not even the kind hiding as cell phones? :-) | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | well we will do cellphones and gps | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | but we won't summit with a laptop | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:50 |
| RichEd | Do the project apps in question have to be linux apps, or can they be web based applications ? | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | i can try smuggling a PDA | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:50 |
| LaserJock | lol | 12:51 |
| ogra | RichEd, they need to be shippable by us and gain us anything for ubuntu/edubuntu | 12:51 |
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| cbx33 | did I tell people about Coon? | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | Coon? | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | Jasons idea for a project | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | for GSoC | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | cbx33: url | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | it;s to keep track of students grades and marks | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | none as yet | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | and do some rudimentary analysis | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | i think it's a pretty good idea | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | well he can submit a proposal | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | already has | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | come on let me join again, i badly need another t-shirt | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 12:53 |
| RichEd | ogra: and say we wanted to have an web site application review area, where the apps were registered into a database, and submissions rated, and then it was searchable by age group, type, and order of popularity, would that classify ... it's not really shippable. | 12:53 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: now you sound like someone who works for a non-profit ;) | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: it should be deliverable within the prescribed period by Google | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 12:53 |
| ogra | RichEd, not sure, we didnt have such projects yet ... usually they are small gui tools or something | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: yeah hahaha | 12:53 |
| === jsgotangco is learning the politics of non profits already | ||
| RichEd | okay thanks ... just mulling over possibilities and trying to understand the constraints. | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | I'm my own non-profit :( | 12:54 |
| RichEd | will give it some thought | 12:54 |
| ogra | i had one project that resulted in a little app to select windows drivers for network cards that could only run with them for example ... | 12:54 |
| ogra | a very trivial app | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: if its workable in 3-4 months it would be feasible | 12:54 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: being your own non-profit is the best kind | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: hmmm | 12:55 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 12:55 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, btw, what became of your last project, it looked promising | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: well i told him he should have it in REVU but he didn't do much of it | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | but he delivered packages even | 12:56 |
| ogra | sad | 12:56 |
| ogra | so its usable ? | 12:56 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: thanks ... most of what I envisage would be a drupal submission form, and then the rest is just database search links. not to much effort or genius level. | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | it is | 12:56 |
| ogra | GAH | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: do you me to look into it again? | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | want | 12:56 |
| ogra | please ping me very loud if feisty+1 starts | 12:56 |
| ogra | so we get it in | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | i should be active once feisty+1 starts as well | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | :) | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | active again | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 12:57 |
| ogra | now its to late ... no new packages for universe if i'm right | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | we've missed you jsgotangco | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | toleef just send an email regarding beta freeze | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | me missed? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | ogra: not since Feb. 22nd | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | now that's something new | 12:58 |
| ogra | LaserJock, righ | 12:58 |
| ogra | t | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-education | 01:01 |
| cliebow | someone rattled my chains? | 01:08 |
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| ogra | cbx33, another hug to store for lisa until you are home .... | 01:24 |
| ogra | that wallpaper is slick :) | 01:24 |
| ogra | hmm, but with 900x720 still to small | 01:25 |
| cbx33 | ok | 01:27 |
| jsgotangco | can i take a peek? | 01:31 |
| cbx33 | she has the high version | 01:31 |
| highvoltage | man I wish we could have this glade in ubuntu already: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/en/figures/figure-glade-big.png | 01:40 |
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| highvoltage | oops | 01:41 |
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| jsgotangco | wow | 01:41 |
| jsgotangco | this is glade 3 right | 01:41 |
| highvoltage | I think so. it's the new one in gnome 2.18 | 01:41 |
| cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette | 01:41 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco: there it is | 01:41 |
| jsgotangco | thanks! | 01:41 |
| jsgotangco | it certain has anime feel with those doe eyes | 01:42 |
| jsgotangco | wow is that a gdm mockup | 01:43 |
| cbx33 | heeh | 01:43 |
| cbx33 | that was an ldm mockup | 01:43 |
| cbx33 | and maybe something for feisty 1 | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I've been using "that glade" for a while, it's pretty nice | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: the .glade files (at least in my case) are a lot smaller too | 02:10 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: nice. how did you install it? is there a deb, or did you compile from source? | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | Feisty | 02:13 |
| LaserJock | apt-get away | 02:13 |
| highvoltage | hmmm.. I apt-getted it just a few minutes ago, and I still have glade 2.12.1 :/ | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | well, there are separate packages for glade 3 | 02:15 |
| highvoltage | aaah | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | so 2 & 3 can coexist | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | but glade 3 is a leap forward to being really usable | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it is much nicer, IMO | 02:19 |
| highvoltage | heh, glade-3 just crashed on me | 02:22 |
| ogra | worked fine here for me the whole night | 02:25 |
| ogra | could someone suggest which of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette we should take as the "young" flavor ? (the top one will be the default bg, i'm just waiting for a bigger sized version) | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | i am not so sure with doe-eyed kids in swimsuits | 02:28 |
| ogra | yep, i find that to young as well | 02:29 |
| ogra | for the one with the nimbers at the bottom its unlikely that we'll get is in time in the right size ... i'm not sure lisa has the original one to resize it | 02:30 |
| ogra | *numbers | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | i prefer the light blue palette with the abstract art | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | the others look subtle to me | 02:30 |
| ogra | which one exactly (counted from the top) | 02:31 |
| jsgotangco | the 2nd one | 02:31 |
| ogra | : | 02:31 |
| ogra | ( | 02:31 |
| ogra | blue ? | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | i just dunno how you will be able to make a good palette for that | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | yeah my sentiments exactly | 02:32 |
| ogra | so well look like a mix of xubuntu and kubuntu ? | 02:32 |
| ogra | well, thats why lisa reworked it in orange | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | well, we do have XFCE4 and KDE Edu, right? | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:32 |
| ogra | i was looking for something for the young theme | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | well the first one doesn't really look "young" to me | 02:32 |
| ogra | the first one is the default | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | its the same artwork but the color doesn't jive | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 02:33 |
| ogra | the second one is the previous version | 02:33 |
| ogra | which of the ones below these would suit for a young theme (prescool etc) ? | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | well the other one with the 3 kids with the giant edubuntu logo looks like something that came out of american idol (no offense meant) | 02:33 |
| ogra | heh | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | but we LOVE Idol!! | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | well the last one before the ldm mockup is nice | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: yeah Americans do | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | but 3/4 of the world ain't americans | 02:34 |
| ogra | right, thats the one we cant get in a reasonable size | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | it's also got a lot of math | 02:35 |
| ogra | since its not from lisa and i doubt we'll get it updated in time | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | i am guessing lisa drew from a paper and scanned it so everything is rasterized? | 02:35 |
| ogra | but it would be my favoite as well | 02:35 |
| ogra | no, she does vectors usuallyx | 02:35 |
| ogra | but thats not from her | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 02:35 |
| jsgotangco | oh! | 02:35 |
| ogra | its something she got mailed | 02:36 |
| ogra | and i suspect only in this size | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | it would have been nice if the girl was facing even sideways | 02:36 |
| ogra | which is 900x675 | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't look good to have someone not facing you | 02:36 |
| ogra | well, she has a gnome foot on the backpack at last ... :) | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | tell you what | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | let's put the american idol wallpaper | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | let's look at the public reaction heh | 02:37 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=senior.jpg this one ? | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | what about the one below the "Idol" one? | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:37 |
| ogra | or the one below | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | we'll still look like kubuntu with the purple palette | 02:37 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=senior2.jpg | 02:37 |
| ogra | ? | 02:37 |
| ogra | well, its not the default | 02:38 |
| ogra | it wont really fit into the rest though ... | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | senior2.jpg looks workable | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | at least its not so "out there" | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | but hey, we're not kids | 02:38 |
| ogra | right | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | the kids might digg the first one though | 02:38 |
| ogra | i just dont want to do a parrot release | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | we might even start a fashion trend | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu: Linux of Idol Fans :-) | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | *for | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | heck yeah we might even penetrate the angst-filled adolescent crowd if we put in metalocalypse or something sinister | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | ohhh | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | pink skulls | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | my cousins are into pink skulls on black | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | we could call it EmoEdubuntu ;-) | 02:42 |
| ogra | PINK SKULLS ! | 02:42 |
| ogra | do they have a wallpaper we could ship as default ? | 02:43 |
| ogra | :) | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | ive been watching the heavenly bodies too much lately | 02:44 |
| jsgotangco | i got myself a dobsonian telescope and its so much fun | 02:45 |
| === ogra got himself a bicycle on tuesday .... against the big fat belly he got | ||
| ogra | now i just need to overcome myself and actually use it :) | 02:46 |
| === LaserJock needs to get a life | ||
| ogra | why ? | 02:47 |
| ogra | thats totally overrated | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | eat, sleep, Ubuntu, rinse, repeat | 02:47 |
| highvoltage | a life. who needs it? | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | the weather here is awesome | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | same here lately | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | and I'm annoyed that the sun is so bright | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | its almost summer | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 02:54 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:02 |
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| ogra | could someone who has a bit of bandwith and diskspace do a ltsp-build-client with the 5.0.2 package ? i need to make sure the /proc/fd issue is fixed, for me it works fine | 03:19 |
| cbx333 | hmm | 03:22 |
| cbx333 | lemme see | 03:22 |
| ogra | probably purge ltsp-server and -standalone before and reinstall them | 03:22 |
| cbx333 | i don;t have a feisty one here | 03:22 |
| cbx333 | i can do it when i get home | 03:22 |
| cbx333 | is that any good to you? | 03:22 |
| ogra | i couldnt see any /proc issues, but cliebow just reported them | 03:22 |
| ogra | so i'm a bit worried | 03:23 |
| cbx333 | hmm | 03:23 |
| cbx333 | unfortunately unless I install those pacakges on my edgy system? | 03:24 |
| cbx333 | would that even work? | 03:24 |
| cbx333 | I can't test till i get home? | 03:24 |
| ogra | it wont work on edgy | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | ok | 03:25 |
| ogra | all the sounds stuff is missing there | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | sorry dude | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | ahh | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | but | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | building the client would work wouldn't it? | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | if i point it at the fesity sources | 03:25 |
| cbx333 | oh | 03:25 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I have a 6-day old local feisty archive, is there something small I could download to test it, or do I need to download the whole 300MB+? | 03:25 |
| ogra | highvoltage, well, you could point ltsp-build-client to it ... the ipmortant part is the ltsp-build-cleint itself works fine ... the packages might be outdated, i dont care | 03:27 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, I will be able to do that in about 5 minutes | 03:28 |
| ogra | i just need a proof it gets beyond the base install and doesnt choke on /proc/fd ... if it gets to the point where it instals packages with apt its already beyond that point and can be stopped | 03:28 |
| cbx333 | cool | 03:30 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 03:32 |
| cliebow | dpkg -l ltsp-server-standalone clearly shows 5.0.2 | 03:32 |
| ogra | and ltsp-server ? | 03:32 |
| cliebow | 0.124 | 03:32 |
| ogra | (which is the important package ... -standalone is only a metappkg) | 03:32 |
| ogra | lol | 03:32 |
| ogra | ok | 03:32 |
| ogra | thast the edgy version of ltsp-server iirc :) | 03:33 |
| ogra | you should update it :) | 03:33 |
| cliebow | ok.. | 03:33 |
| ogra | thats calming ... | 03:33 |
| cbx333 | ogra: you need that | 03:33 |
| ogra | i was thinking 5.0.2 might have the same issue still :) | 03:33 |
| highvoltage | ogra: building... | 03:34 |
| ogra | and i guess i should find a way to glue the two packages together via a versioned dependency | 03:34 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i guess it will work ... cliebow was running 0.124 instead of 5.0.2 | 03:34 |
| cliebow | i see mount-proc is gone..that i hope is a good sign | 03:36 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: mine failed :-/ | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally | 03:36 |
| cliebow | Balls! | 03:36 |
| ogra | dpkg -l ltsp-server ? | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | hmmm, it says 0.134 | 03:37 |
| highvoltage | I upgraded ltsp-server-standalone | 03:37 |
| cliebow | i did as well | 03:37 |
| ogra | no, you need to upgrade both or ltsp-server | 03:37 |
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| cliebow | .124? | 03:37 |
| highvoltage | cliebow: mine said .134, I copied and pasted it | 03:37 |
| ogra | 0.134 was the last one of the 0. series | 03:38 |
| ogra | after that it became 5.0.1 | 03:38 |
| cliebow | ok...i know my typing plus or minus several keys 8!) | 03:38 |
| ogra | its two versions behind | 03:38 |
| ogra | while ... | 03:39 |
| ogra | ltsp (0.124) edgy; urgency=low | 03:39 |
| ogra | ... | 03:39 |
| ogra | ltsp (0.125) feisty; urgency=low | 03:39 |
| ogra | * switch package to feisty as default distro | 03:39 |
| ogra | :) | 03:39 |
| ogra | cliebow, so it seems you did build edgy chroots all the time | 03:39 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it built successfully | 03:40 |
| ogra | yeah :) | 03:40 |
| ogra | thanks a lot | 03:40 |
| === highvoltage is glad to have a working ltsp on laptop again | ||
| ogra | you just did update the package, right | 03:40 |
| ogra | ? | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | ogra: I got a *real* cool idea for a LTSP plugin | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yes | 03:40 |
| ogra | tell me | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it basically sets up the LTSP bits, but not the /opt/ltsp/<arch> chroot | 03:41 |
| ogra | you mean it sets up netbooting but nothing else | 03:41 |
| ogra | right ? | 03:41 |
| highvoltage | ogra: then, you prompt the user for an ubuntu CD, and it copies the casper system to where the chroot should be, and whalla, you have a network livecd/installer | 03:41 |
| ogra | highvoltage, we have such a setup already, ask lifeless ) | 03:42 |
| ogra | :) | 03:42 |
| highvoltage | really? ok. :) | 03:42 |
| ogra | he installed ton of systems at LCA from that :) | 03:42 |
| highvoltage | I thought that was just for the text-based installer | 03:42 |
| ogra | just netboot your laptop and clien the install icon | 03:43 |
| ogra | *click | 03:43 |
| highvoltage | cool | 03:43 |
| ogra | no, its a special setup he made but there is a howto for it | 03:43 |
| === highvoltage thinks it would make a nice 'installfest' plugin | ||
| ogra | but apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone && mount /dev/hdc /opt/ltsp/i386 should work similar | 03:44 |
| ogra | (if hdc is you CD indeed) | 03:44 |
| ogra | probably you need an extra ltsp-update-kernels ... | 03:44 |
| highvoltage | cool! :) | 03:45 |
| === highvoltage will try that | ||
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| ogra | cbx333, any news from lisa about bigger sized images ? | 03:54 |
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| ogra | cbx333, we'd need orange.jpg and (as we just discussed before) senior2.jpg at 1600x1200 | 03:55 |
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| cbx333 | ogra: didn't you see above | 04:14 |
| cbx333 | lisa has large versions | 04:14 |
| ogra | can i get them ... | 04:14 |
| ogra | i'm getting bored here | 04:14 |
| cbx333 | ok | 04:15 |
| cbx333 | sorry | 04:15 |
| ogra | waiting for kwwii as well for the gnome splash without logo ... | 04:15 |
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| cbx333 | mail to you? | 04:15 |
| ogra | seems that fits well in to the colorschme | 04:15 |
| cbx333 | ogra@ubuntu.com | 04:15 |
| ogra | yep | 04:15 |
| ogra | or put them somewhere | 04:15 |
| ogra | right | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | re | 04:17 |
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| mattva01 | hmm are their any edubuntu feisty releases out there? | 04:18 |
| mattva01 | or could I just install the edubutu packages on top of ubuntu fiesty | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | mattva01: Herd 5 is out | 04:19 |
| mattva01 | oh ok | 04:19 |
| mattva01 | how stable is it ATM? | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | oh, depends on your definition of stable | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | I run it regularly and it works fairly well | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | you might consider waiting for the Beta release | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | which is scheduled for the 22nd | 04:22 |
| cbx333 | lisa said when do you want the other wallpapers | 04:22 |
| ogra | yeah ... next week ... | 04:22 |
| mattva01 | hmm yeah i think i'll wait | 04:22 |
| ogra | cbx333, i only need orange and senior2 | 04:22 |
| cbx333 | what about the others? | 04:22 |
| cbx333 | we were asked for 4 wallpapers | 04:22 |
| cbx333 | primary/secondard/uni and plain | 04:22 |
| cbx333 | please don't tell lisa that she didn't need to do the other two..... | 04:23 |
| cbx333 | can they not go in the artwork package? as alternatives | 04:23 |
| cbx333 | and we have the community wallpaper too | 04:25 |
| cbx333 | ogra: ? | 04:28 |
| ogra | we dont have any other alternatives, but i can add them so they are hped | 04:28 |
| ogra | *shipped | 04:28 |
| ogra | edubuntu-artwork only has three modes, default/young/plain | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | yes please | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | ok | 04:29 |
| ogra | plain has no wallaper ... | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | i see | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | that's fine | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | as long as they are added | 04:29 |
| cbx333 | phew | 04:29 |
| ogra | and we discussed that we want senior2 as the default for the young theme | 04:29 |
| ogra | all others can go in the package and be dropped into /usr/share/pixmaps | 04:30 |
| ogra | even though that will cause problems on the liveCD | 04:30 |
| ogra | since it will get to big | 04:30 |
| cbx333 | oh | 04:31 |
| cbx333 | it's a shame we can't create a second artwork package | 04:31 |
| cbx333 | no time now | 04:31 |
| ogra | we can, but not after beta | 04:31 |
| mattva01 | oh quick question, can a AMD64 LTSP server host i386 thin clients | 04:32 |
| ogra | sure | 04:32 |
| ogra | sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 | 04:33 |
| ogra | run that :) | 04:33 |
| cbx333 | ogra: awesome | 04:33 |
| cbx333 | would it just have to be a simple package to insstall the files in the /usr/share/backgrounds dir? | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | if so I can create that tonight | 04:34 |
| ogra | we're in peta freeze | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | oh | 04:34 |
| ogra | *beta | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | lisa will probably give up edubuntu art work | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | what | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | i didn't say that | 04:34 |
| cbx333 | i said this <cbx333> no time now<ogra> we can, but not after beta | 04:35 |
| ogra | who did tell you you need four wallpapers ? | 04:35 |
| ogra | s/beta/betafreeze/ | 04:35 |
| cbx333 | my apologies for that comment about lisa.....do not take it out of context | 04:35 |
| cbx333 | ignore it | 04:35 |
| ogra | who did tell you you need four wallpapers ? | 04:36 |
| ogra | we always had two ... | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | well.... | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | it stemmed from the fact that we had three themes | 04:36 |
| ogra | and i wasnt planning to change that ... | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | and | 04:36 |
| ogra | so i wonder who said that | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | we were targetting primary | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | secondary | 04:36 |
| cbx333 | and university | 04:36 |
| mattva01 | thanks ogra | 04:37 |
| ogra | secondary = default | 04:37 |
| ogra | university = plain | 04:37 |
| ogra | primary = young | 04:37 |
| cbx333 | ok | 04:37 |
| cbx333 | well there obviously was a communication mixup | 04:37 |
| cbx333 | it was in the meetings I'm sure | 04:38 |
| ogra | right, seems like | 04:38 |
| cbx333 | so what can we do... | 04:38 |
| cbx333 | i think they are awesome | 04:38 |
| cbx333 | is there no way we can include them? | 04:38 |
| cbx333 | or are we stuck | 04:38 |
| ogra | lets see how the liveCD looks tomorrow | 04:38 |
| cbx333 | ok | 04:38 |
| ogra | its really a matter of space | 04:38 |
| ogra | introducong a new package *now* is a nono | 04:39 |
| cbx333 | that's fine | 04:39 |
| cbx333 | well i did speak of it about 2 meetings ago | 04:39 |
| ogra | if they fit into the existing one its ok ... if not we cant do much | 04:39 |
| cbx333 | but i guess i didn't express it's importance...and pls I didn't create it | 04:39 |
| cbx333 | so it really is my fault | 04:39 |
| cbx333 | sorry | 04:40 |
| ogra | dont say sorry all the time ! | 04:40 |
| cbx333 | so......ok | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | well, if we have space on the CD it should be easy enough | 04:41 |
| ogra | right | 04:41 |
| ogra | but we dont have space on the cd | 04:41 |
| cbx333 | he | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | we don't? | 04:42 |
| cbx333 | we need to png crush them too | 04:42 |
| ogra | not on the liveCD | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | ohhh, yeah | 04:42 |
| ogra | the liveCD contents didnt change at all | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | I forgot the liveCD | 04:42 |
| ogra | we have tons of space on the server CD | 04:42 |
| === LaserJock wishes we could drop the LiveCD | ||
| ogra | and twice as much on the add-on CD | 04:42 |
| cbx333 | but still we're in beta so no new packages | 04:42 |
| cbx333 | crap | 04:42 |
| cbx333 | LaserJock: no way dude | 04:42 |
| cbx333 | the live cd is going to do big things for us here | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | not if we can't put things on it | 04:43 |
| === cbx333 is pioneering a scheme to brand it to the school and distribute | ||
| cbx333 | so kids get nice free software | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | ogra: does the liveCD have LTSP stuff on it? | 04:43 |
| ogra | nope | 04:43 |
| ogra | no space | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | so it's just a rebranded Ubuntu? | 04:44 |
| cbx333 | not rebranded so much | 04:44 |
| ogra | its edgys edubuntu-desktop ... | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | so it has edu apps? | 04:44 |
| ogra | wih new apps and artwork ... | 04:44 |
| cbx333 | just Edubuntu with out schools logo in the wallpaper | 04:44 |
| ogra | indeed | 04:44 |
| cbx333 | and probably adding new apps yes and removing others | 04:44 |
| ogra | but ubiquity wont install them | 04:44 |
| cbx333 | my boss is extactic about it | 04:44 |
| ogra | you need the add-on CD for that | 04:44 |
| cbx333 | ubiquity will be disabled | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | cbx333: I was talking about the live CD, but yeah | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | so am i | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | the Edubuntu LiveCD | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | yes | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | that's what I'm taking as a base | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | and remastering it | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | to distribute | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | I'm not talking about your thing though, is what I'm saying | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | oh i see | 04:45 |
| cbx333 | sorry | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | I'm just talking about what Edubuntu is shipping | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | no ubiquity though? | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | just keep it Live? | 04:46 |
| cbx333 | for me yes | 04:46 |
| cbx333 | if they want to install they get a proper edubuntu cd | 04:46 |
| cbx333 | no branding | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that seems pretty cool | 04:47 |
| cbx333 | as a way to both increase OSS usage | 04:48 |
| cbx333 | and press for the school | 04:48 |
| cbx333 | blogging about it later | 04:48 |
| cbx333 | so please don't drop the live cd ;) | 04:48 |
| ogra | we wont | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | cbx333: well, you could do it from Ubuntu easy enough | 04:48 |
| ogra | ubuntu will probably drop alternate at some point | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | but no, I wasn't serious when I said it | 04:49 |
| cbx333 | :( | 04:49 |
| cbx333 | phew | 04:49 |
| cbx333 | hehe | 04:49 |
| ogra | if ubiquity knows about all installation variants | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | it's just that the LiveCD isn't terribely useful for us | 04:49 |
| ogra | right | 04:49 |
| cbx333 | us as edubutnu community? | 04:49 |
| ogra | but very promotional | 04:49 |
| cbx333 | indeed | 04:50 |
| ogra | its helpful for conferences etc ... | 04:50 |
| cbx333 | ogra did i hear you say something about LTSP being included on the CD | 04:50 |
| ogra | beyond that i'm not after it either | 04:50 |
| ogra | cbx333, on the live CD ? | 04:50 |
| ogra | nope | 04:50 |
| cbx333 | yes | 04:50 |
| cbx333 | :( | 04:50 |
| ogra | no space | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | well, I just wonder if the LiveCD will become farther and farther from the "real" Edubuntu CDs | 04:50 |
| ogra | it will | 04:50 |
| cbx333 | in what way? | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | so at some point it won't be an accurate "demo" | 04:51 |
| ogra | it already is far away from it | 04:51 |
| cbx333 | only available apps | 04:51 |
| cbx333 | but the ubuntu live cd isn't a true demo of ubuntu either imho | 04:51 |
| ogra | the install wont give you the same desktop as the liveCD shows | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | cbx333: sure but then there's not much difference between that and an Ubuntu live | 04:51 |
| ogra | ubuntu s 100% the same as the installed system | 04:51 |
| ogra | edubuntu isnt ... | 04:52 |
| ogra | and will divert further | 04:52 |
| cbx333 | in tecnicality yes | 04:52 |
| cbx333 | but how many people use ubuntu in it's defualt state | 04:52 |
| cbx333 | i mean | 04:52 |
| cbx333 | hmmm | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying that maintanence-wise, the LiveCd for Edubuntu could probably be made via Reconstructor or UCK easily | 04:52 |
| ogra | cbx333, most ? | 04:52 |
| cbx333 | i belive far more customisation and installation of ubuntu happens than edubuntu | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | cbx333: well, quit a fe actually | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | *few | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | many users don't change much of anything | 04:53 |
| cbx333 | hmm | 04:53 |
| ogra | s/many/most | 04:53 |
| === cbx333 thinks if that were the case we woldn't have universe | ||
| LaserJock | they might install a few things here or there to get graphics, etc. right | 04:53 |
| ogra | right | 04:53 |
| cbx333 | I must installover 50 apps for my basica desktop | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | well, we didn't have Universe enabled by default for a long time | 04:53 |
| cbx333 | but universe wouldn't exist unless someone wanted a pacakge n there | 04:54 |
| ogra | do we now ? | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:54 |
| ogra | i dont think we do | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | cjwatson said as of Herd 5 we should | 04:54 |
| cbx333 | I'm not talking about dev stuff either | 04:54 |
| ogra | i thought g-a-i enables it on demand ? | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | nah, I think because of all the "bling" stuff they went ahead an enabled it by default | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | for easy-codec | 04:55 |
| cbx333 | ahh | 04:55 |
| ogra | evil | 04:55 |
| === cbx333 can't wait for songbird | ||
| === ogra didnt know | ||
| cbx333 | hehe | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | we had to change the documentation | 04:55 |
| cbx333 | will that be the same in edubuntu too? | 04:55 |
| ogra | sure | 04:55 |
| cbx333 | shi* | 04:55 |
| cbx333 | then i need to mail my editor | 04:55 |
| ogra | well, form a user POV its awesome | 04:55 |
| cbx333 | unless mako already caught that | 04:56 |
| ogra | but from a dev POV its horrible | 04:56 |
| cbx333 | i had to add a section about turning on universe | 04:56 |
| cbx333 | :( | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | cbx333: well, that still applies to < feisty | 04:56 |
| cbx333 | yes i sppose | 04:56 |
| cbx333 | but it should really be noted | 04:56 |
| ogra | YAY, wallpapers | 04:57 |
| cbx333 | from lisa? | 04:57 |
| ogra | the default one is really beautiful, i like it | 04:57 |
| ogra | yep | 04:57 |
| cbx333 | good | 04:57 |
| === ogra tends to actually use the default theme we ship for 6 months | ||
| cbx333 | heheh | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | me too | 04:58 |
| === cbx333 liked edgy wallpaper | ||
| cbx333 | but then I'm biased | 04:58 |
| cbx333 | bt i love the feisty one | 04:58 |
| === ogra still uses the edgy one ... | ||
| ogra | since i got it from you | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | so what's the new default? the first one on the Palette page? | 04:58 |
| cbx333 | each part of that image has a story ;) | 04:58 |
| ogra | yep | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 04:58 |
| cbx333 | LaserJock: knows about one part of it ;) | 04:59 |
| ogra | i just got that one http://sinecera.de/session_for_ogra.png | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | I told my labmates that my molecule made it around the world | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 04:59 |
| cbx333 | hehe | 04:59 |
| cbx333 | the equation is the 3D wave equation | 04:59 |
| cbx333 | ogra should recoqnise that one | 04:59 |
| cbx333 | :p | 04:59 |
| cbx333 | or an impementation of it | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | ogra: is that the new gnome splash? | 05:00 |
| ogra | the base | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | looks pretty good | 05:00 |
| ogra | i need to do some nifty logo stuff on top ... | 05:00 |
| cbx333 | the flower is from http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/5751652/?qo=61&q=by%3Asilentkeystroke&qh=sort%3Atime -in%3Ascraps | 05:00 |
| ogra | well, it fits the colors | 05:00 |
| Amaranth | ogra: willow seems to work the same as ever here | 05:01 |
| Amaranth | what problems are you having? | 05:01 |
| cbx333 | the code is from student control panel ;) | 05:01 |
| ogra | Amaranth, it didnt start the last time i tried, just hung silently ... | 05:01 |
| ogra | Amaranth, i'll test it the next days if i have some spare time for that | 05:01 |
| ogra | its a while ago that i tested (before MV) | 05:01 |
| cbx333 | wow | 05:02 |
| ogra | RichEd, getting basic integration of parental control as a SoC project would be helpful btw | 05:02 |
| RichEd | ogra: good idea ... can you mail or /msg me an outline or example and I will draft a description basic spec | 05:03 |
| ogra | RichEd, will do in the SoC preparation ... we'll need to come up with suggestions anyway i think (at least we had to during the last ones) | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | I asked the Blue Obelisk guys this morning | 05:05 |
| cbx333 | right I have to go now | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | about possible Edubuntu SoC projects | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | but almost all of their stuff is Java | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | which is kinda hard to justify for Edubuntu | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | and the Kalzium dev is already got a project planned via KDE | 05:05 |
| cbx333 | ok... | 05:06 |
| cbx333 | I'm off | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | I'd love to do a gchemutils project | 05:06 |
| ogra | ciao cbx333 | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | cya cbx333 | 05:06 |
| cbx333 | thanks ogra | 05:06 |
| ogra | thanks as well :) | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | kalzium and pretty soon gchemutils are really going to rock | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | "Not you grand dads periodic table" | 05:07 |
| ogra | heh | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | they are going to be fairly complete chemistry education suites | 05:08 |
| ogra | cool | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | Kalzium's SoC project is to get 3D viewing of atoms all the way up to proteins | 05:09 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: was that FLOSS PDF doc useful ? any good stuff ? | 05:09 |
| === moquist_ is now known as moquist | ||
| LaserJock | RichEd: oh, yes. That was pretty good. I't really hard to find updated and "useful" references like that | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | I either get lists of edu software that's mostly dead | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | or just a list with no description | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | stuff like that | 05:10 |
| RichEd | I've also got a flemish one, but its in hard copy. It is also updated properly anually. | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | UES should produce some good stuff shouldn't it? | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | I'm still a little hazy about what all is going to be done in 2 days | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | ogra: do you know, is X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain used to get a .desktop translated? | 05:15 |
| ogra | yep afaik | 05:15 |
| ogra | pitti knows details | 05:15 |
| === ogra finds it funny that he always fears we have to release without artwork ... and then everything just falls in place ... | ||
| ogra | i should panic less | 05:16 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: we've got 4-6 people wanting to present on their installations / experience : tuXlabs, meDUXa, Uni of Delhi, Georgia Schools Project, KDE Edu | 05:16 |
| RichEd | So that will be a stream for people wanting to hear about large scale projects | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | well, sometimes the panic is needed to get everything to fall into place ;-) | 05:17 |
| RichEd | And the parallel stream is for technical discussions / BOFs with contributors and partners etc. Any spec / feature ideas or requirements will move into UDS and proceed via the usual process. | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: oh, if I end up going will you want me to present anything or do I just stand back and soak it all in? :-) | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm guessing this is more "user time" | 05:18 |
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| RichEd | I'd see you more in the Tech Stream ... with the hackers. The other stream is for decision makers who are looking to take the leap into Open Source and who need comfortable anecdotes and examples to give them faith. | 05:19 |
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| === Mr is now known as MrWizard14 | ||
| MrWizard14 | My screen resolution is screwed up | 05:20 |
| MrWizard14 | plz help | 05:20 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: You may very well be called upon to host a BOF, around the Junior/Senior/Uni apps and config. | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: ok, cool. I just wondered | 05:20 |
| === MrWizard14 is confused | ||
| === MrWizard14 is trying to fix a school computer | ||
| === RichEd is off to make supper for the kids | ||
| === MrWizard14 really needs help | ||
| MrWizard14 | think of the kids | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | MrWizard14: so what's it doing? | 05:25 |
| MrWizard14 | it's zoomed in very crazily | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | I'm not much help, but I given me such guilt ;-) | 05:26 |
| MrWizard14 | so half the window is cut off | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | MrWizard14: ok, but other than that it looks "normal"? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | MrWizard14: also, what release of Edubuntu is this? | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | ok | 05:30 |
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| cbx33 | it's all quiet now | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | ok, I found the About Ubuntu .desktop file | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | and it doesn't look too mysterious | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | so I should be able to add an About Edubuntu one | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | in edubuntu-docs | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | beta freeze | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 05:59 |
| ogra | if its oly a small change we can do it | 06:00 |
| ogra | -docs needs fixes anyway before release, no ? | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | well, adding the About Edubuntu icon would be the biggest change | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | the other stuff is just tweaking the yelp front page and making sure our content is right | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | the only thing is that I don't think I can easily get rid of the About Ubuntu icon | 06:02 |
| ogra | that should be possible to get in ... we can talk to Mithrandir after beta | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | it's shipped in gnome-panel-data | 06:02 |
| ogra | lets keep it then :) | 06:03 |
| ogra | we dont need to hide our inheritance | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | no, I think it's especially a step forward since we've been using only Ubuntu docs until now | 06:03 |
| ogra | yep | 06:04 |
| === cbx33 is looking at search strings linking to his blog | ||
| cbx33 | "cite a problem of linux and a possible solution for the problem" | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | me detects a homework problem | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | heh | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | I don't think I've been used for homework yet | 06:15 |
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| carsten | moin | 07:09 |
| highvoltage | moin moin | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | how are you, carsten? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | hi carsten | 07:11 |
| carsten | Hungry as hell :-) | 07:11 |
| === carsten will be on the cebit for 3 days, starting tomorrow | ||
| highvoltage | heh, too busy to eat, I presume | 07:11 |
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| carsten | highvoltage: to lazy to go to the kitchen :) | 07:12 |
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| highvoltage | heh | 07:12 |
| mrwizard14 | How do I deal with a wierdly set screen resolution? | 07:16 |
| highvoltage | mrwizard14: that would depend on what's wierd about it | 07:21 |
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| Burgwork | cbx33: congrats | 07:24 |
| cbx33 | Burgwork, on? | 07:29 |
| Burgwork | getting Edubuntu into your school | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | yup | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | it's getting there alright | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | plenty more planned | 07:29 |
| cbx33 | Burgwork, chapter? | 07:29 |
| Burgwork | heh | 07:30 |
| Burgwork | sorry, I was dealing with server stuff last night, so I completely forgot | 07:30 |
| === cbx33 pokes Burgwork | ||
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:30 |
| cbx33 | s'ok dude | 07:30 |
| === cbx33 is just curious to see what changes have been made | ||
| cbx33 | also.....we may need to drop a small section | 07:31 |
| cbx33 | or make a slight change | 07:31 |
| cbx33 | as ubuntu now ships with universe enabled | 07:31 |
| cbx33 | as of herd 5 | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: make sure to check it out on Edubuntu | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | it's *supposed* to, but I haven't verified it | 07:32 |
| cbx33 | ok | 07:32 |
| cbx33 | that's why I said "may" :p | 07:32 |
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| ogra | hmm, somehow feisty turns into the tan release | 07:41 |
| cbx33 | oooh maybe I should reboot and upgrade | 07:42 |
| ogra | you should probably wait until i uploaded a package and that built | 07:42 |
| ogra | i'm not yet done ... figthing with font colors for gdm | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | well i was talking about ubuntu in general | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | oh i see | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | is it looking nice though? | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | thanks ogra you rock | 07:43 |
| ogra | well | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | I'll try and help out a bit with that side of things in feisty + 1 | 07:43 |
| ogra | its not looking bad ... not better or worse than the dutch release | 07:43 |
| ogra | less saturated | 07:44 |
| ogra | but indeed that gets us in the tanned skin area ... which is slightly boring | 07:44 |
| cbx33 | ok | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | I feel like a walking blog at the moment | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | A walking apologetic blog | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | join the club | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | or should I say planet | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | hmm...maybe I shou.....wait a minute...I already am | 07:52 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: have patience young one (I think you are younger than me) | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | I show you mine if you show me yours ( age in years :p ) | 07:55 |
| cliebow | grasshopper! | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | i have to say that for highvoltage's sake | 07:55 |
| cbx33 | he got all kinky last night in the meeting | 07:55 |
| === Burgwork is 24 | ||
| cbx33 | oh no | 07:56 |
| === cbx33 is 25 | ||
| cbx33 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooo | 07:56 |
| Burgwork | you know that life ends after 25... | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | wow.....I just learnt something cool | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | hold down o and the press the shift key on and off.....i never knew a keyboard let you do that | 07:56 |
| Burgwork | heh | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | how the hell do you win a level on neverball | 07:57 |
| === cbx33 is taking a break | ||
| cliebow | cbx33: so what is tcm written in? | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: you're still 24? | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | python | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | maybe he's lying LaserJock | 07:58 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: 25 in august | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 07:58 |
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| cbx33 | maybe he can't count past 24 | 07:59 |
| cliebow | i must be the old fart around her | 07:59 |
| === LaserJock counts | ||
| cbx33 | and so lives in perpetual youth | 07:59 |
| Burgwork | heh | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | must be nice | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | I *though* I was 25, but I also thought I was as old as both cbx33 and Burgwork | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | good on you Burgwork you don't need to count to code... | 07:59 |
| cliebow | add you two together and i still got 8 years on you | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | *thought* | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | Y2K taught us that | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, maybe you were at two different points in time | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 08:00 |
| === cbx33 envisages the intersecting graphs | ||
| cliebow | must be circling a black hole.. | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | it's really bad when I have to actually figure out how old I am | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | yeh i hate that too | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | not like just pause to remember | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | I'm getting worse at it too | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | but like "OK, I was born in 1981 so ...." | 08:00 |
| Burgwork | my gf was born in 1979 | 08:01 |
| === cbx33 too | ||
| === cbx33 won't say when his wife was born | ||
| cbx33 | i may be accused of things | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: my wife was born *almost* in 1979 | 08:01 |
| Burgwork | you are married cbx33? | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | yes | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | that suprises you? | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | :p | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: do it do it! how old is she | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | haha | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | we promise not to tell | 08:01 |
| Burgwork | yes | 08:01 |
| === LaserJock crosses his fingers | ||
| cbx33 | yes you're suprised | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ? | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | well let's just say she's younger than me | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | by almost 4 years | 08:02 |
| Burgwork | we promise to tell, although the public archived logs might tell a different story | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | dong nang it | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | tricked by your genuine charms | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | both of you need to keep those on a leash | 08:02 |
| === cbx33 notices the room has gone quiet | ||
| cbx33 | you'd better not be blogging about this y'all | 08:03 |
| === cbx33 is fed up with his blog design | ||
| LaserJock | heh | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | man, she was young then when you go married | 08:04 |
| cbx33 | you do the math | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | 3 year wedding anniversay in august :p | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | 3?!? | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | so .... 18? | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | yup | 08:05 |
| Burgwork | wow | 08:07 |
| Burgwork | my ex's cousin got married at 17 | 08:07 |
| Burgwork | to another 17 year old and the church they were to be married burned in a giant forest fire 2 weeks before | 08:08 |
| cbx33 | eeek | 08:08 |
| Burgwork | as they were deeply religious, my ex and i speculated that this just might be a sign from God | 08:08 |
| === Burgwork is an athiest | ||
| cbx33 | darn it | 08:09 |
| cbx33 | no good themes on worpdresses site either | 08:09 |
| cbx33 | i cba to make one up | 08:09 |
| cbx33 | right off to relax for a while | 08:10 |
| cbx33 | play some FF XII | 08:10 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: I want to pick your brains about a web-frontend to tcm | 08:10 |
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| cbx33 | ok | 08:11 |
| cbx33 | in a little while ok? | 08:12 |
| Burgwork | sure | 08:12 |
| cbx33 | thanks dude | 08:12 |
| Burgwork | I will be at work for another 5 hours | 08:12 |
| cbx33 | my brain is fried today | 08:12 |
| cbx33 | at work ok? | 08:12 |
| === LaserJock tests the new restricted-manager | ||
| Burgwork | yep | 08:12 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock: pretty boring, but infinitely useful | 08:13 |
| Burgwork | btw, I recommend everybody try out the new gimmie applet | 08:13 |
| Burgwork | it rocks | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: I saw you blogged about that | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: how easy is it to set up? | 08:14 |
| Burgwork | trivial | 08:14 |
| Burgwork | install it, then add it to the panel | 08:14 |
| cliebow | cbx33:so what is thin client manager written in? | 08:14 |
| ogra | cliebow, blood | 08:15 |
| ogra | and caffeine ... | 08:15 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: python | 08:15 |
| Burgwork | cliebow: python | 08:15 |
| cliebow | python and tcl? or tk? or blood? | 08:15 |
| ogra | gtk | 08:16 |
| === cliebow cliebow slinks off to read.... | ||
| cbx33 | gimme? | 08:16 |
| Burgwork | tcl, heh | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | bah, no desktop-effects. They should put a bit more descriptive message other than "Desktop Effects can not be enabled" | 08:16 |
| cbx33 | bbl | 08:16 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: gimmie is python, afaik | 08:16 |
| cbx33 | Burgwork, so is that you want to talk to me within the 5 hours you're at awork? | 08:16 |
| cbx33 | or after? | 08:17 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: either | 08:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:17 |
| ogra | Burgwork, an applet ? | 08:18 |
| ogra | how pointless | 08:18 |
| Burgwork | ogra: it makes it easier to try | 08:18 |
| Burgwork | the old gimmie replaced the panel | 08:18 |
| ogra | well, having an applet for something tat shall work on demand ... well ... | 08:19 |
| Burgwork | work on demand? | 08:19 |
| ogra | libgimme should install codecs on demand, no ? | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | hmm, does compiz not work with nvidia-legacy? | 08:19 |
| Burgwork | oh, this is not gimmiecodec | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | ogra: different thing | 08:20 |
| Burgwork | this is gimmie, the panel revisited thing | 08:20 |
| ogra | ah | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | http://beatnik.infogami.com/Gimmie | 08:20 |
| ogra | the gnome-main menu crap ? | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | heh | 08:21 |
| ogra | ah, no the good implementation :) | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | there are various things that could fall under "gnome-main menu crap" | 08:21 |
| ogra | i meant the novell thing | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | ~[6~[6~[6~gnome-main -menu crap? | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | is that slab? | 08:21 |
| ogra | that looks as horrible as the new control center | 08:21 |
| ogra | yeah slab | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think that's what he's talking about | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | I haven't been playing around with them. I like my nice default Gnome | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | but I see the names thrown around | 08:22 |
| highvoltage | suse and their patentware. *sigh* | 08:22 |
| ogra | likely as unusable as the control center | 08:22 |
| === highvoltage thinks gnome-main-maenu/slab looks ok | ||
| highvoltage | but it is quite unusable | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | well, if they made if pop up faster I'd probably live with it | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | it's just hard to be flashy and fast | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | and a menu is a place where you really have to be fast | 08:23 |
| ogra | well, there was big fuzz about usability when gnome 2.0 released and one thing was that gnome would never introduce such things like control center because it slows yur workflow down immensely | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | but then they filled up the menus | 08:24 |
| ogra | LaserJock, ven if it pops up faster ... its two more clicks to reach what you want | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | I have to scroll the Preferences menu now on my laptop | 08:24 |
| ogra | and if you want an applet thats at the bottom, even scrolling and searching | 08:24 |
| ogra | the worst idea ever imho | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | well, I think the idea will be that you just search for everything | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | like with QuickSilver in OS X | 08:25 |
| ogra | right | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | now I don't have a clue what all apps I have on OS X | 08:25 |
| ogra | but that means if i dont want to type i have to scroll around like mad | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | I just hit the keycombo to bring up QS | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | and type what I want | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | true | 08:25 |
| === highvoltage still finds gnome the most usable desktop of all | ||
| LaserJock | although at least with the gnome control center you can hit the category button on the left and it highlights the section | 08:26 |
| Burgwork | slab is not innovative | 08:26 |
| Burgwork | gimmie is | 08:26 |
| ogra | highvoltage, for a reason ... they refused for a long time to make integrated stuff like KDE did ... which kept it very clean ... | 08:26 |
| Burgwork | however, it needs some work, but has good ideas | 08:26 |
| ogra | and fast | 08:26 |
| ogra | you add so much UI overhead with these things | 08:27 |
| Burgwork | be nice if gimmie integrated the deskbar applet | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | I think they're just heading down a road that we aren't used to | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | menu's are really a thing of the past | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | people want to integrate everything | 08:28 |
| Burgwork | funny how you get muscle memory, however | 08:28 |
| LaserJock | I mean, OS X has no decent app menu system at *all* | 08:29 |
| Burgwork | with gimmie, the settings is under the "Linux" tab, as where as it was on the right with the gnome menu | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | but I get apps up really fast | 08:29 |
| ogra | LaserJock, apple never had an app menu system | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | ogra: right | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | and it seems to work for them ok | 08:33 |
| ogra | yep | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | I think Gnome will probably head in that direction | 08:33 |
| Burgwork | I think Novell's stuff will fail merely because they are pushing it too hard | 08:34 |
| ogra | well | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | and haven't really made the effort to integrate it into existing gnome tech, like the deskbar | 08:35 |
| ogra | right | 08:35 |
| === ogra starts to hate gdm's icontheme | ||
| Burgwork | why does gdm not talk to pam directly? | 08:37 |
| ogra | ask a gdm dev ? | 08:37 |
| ogra | i didnt know it doesnt | 08:37 |
| ogra | it cant work wihout pam ... | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | if you change your pam setup, you need to restart gdm | 08:38 |
| ogra | else ldm wouldnt exist | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | everything else just works and picks up the change | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | http://www.advogato.org/person/company/diary.html?start=34 <-- why didn't fsf fund this? | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | I haven't seen anything working with gnash | 08:39 |
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| ogra | oh ... | 08:56 |
| ogra | seems my gdm theme fiddling is getting somewhere | 08:57 |
| Burgwork | oh? | 08:59 |
| Burgwork | what sort of gdm fiddling? | 08:59 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gdmshot.png | 09:00 |
| ogra | trying to get a theme dont that fits with the rest of our artwork | 09:01 |
| ogra | after two hours of poking around with our old theme i switched to kwwii's ubuntu one and just tweaked the colors to match | 09:01 |
| ogra | i think it looks ok | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | ah, I see | 09:02 |
| ogra | hmm | 09:02 |
| Burgwork | looks good. One thing I would try is have the bottom bar fade into a dark red, rather than a brown | 09:02 |
| ogra | i wonder how that black stain on the windowbar got there | 09:02 |
| ogra | good idea, i'll check the svg | 09:03 |
| ogra | avan though the brwn doesnt look bad ... if i dont make it we can keep it ... | 09:03 |
| ogra | *even | 09:03 |
| ogra | ok, last testbuild and then i'm DONE ! | 09:15 |
| ogra | phew that were hard four days ... | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | ogra: ok, I found where the About Ubuntu menu item is made | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | and it *is* hardcoded into gnome-panel | 09:16 |
| ogra | yep | 09:16 |
| ogra | i think i already du for that in breezy | 09:16 |
| ogra | *dug | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | but it looks simple enough to add About Edubuntu | 09:16 |
| ogra | i dont have any probs if we have two about items | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | it'd be better to add an if statement to get rid of the About Ubuntu one | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | but I think seb might not like it | 09:17 |
| ogra | no | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | he probably won't even like this one | 09:17 |
| ogra | that needs to be fixed properly | 09:17 |
| ogra | the ardcoded stuff must be replaced by something dynamic | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | well, it is dynamic in the sense that it check if the .desktop exists and then adds the item | 09:18 |
| ogra | but in the end it only loads a .desktop file, doesnt it ? | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | + if (g_file_test (DATADIR"/omf/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu-C.omf", | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | + G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | + panel_menu_items_append_from_desktop (menu, "ubuntu-about.desktop", NULL); | 09:18 |
| ogra | so we can divert that or have an alternative or something | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | well ... | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | do you think he'd add in aptch with those 3 lines for edubuntu-about.desktop? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | the problem with the desktop spec is that it's very difficult to tell certain items to go where | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | it's all kinda messy, IMO | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | its too loose so that there isn't a single menu file to edit | 09:20 |
| ogra | well, ask him | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | ok | 09:22 |
| ogra | brb | 09:22 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: just CC'd you on my email to seb | 09:38 |
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| ogra | ok | 09:38 |
| ogra | SIGH ... | 09:45 |
| === ogra watches edubuntu-artwork being uploaded since 20min | ||
| ogra | its only 6M ... | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | geeze | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | that's a long time for 6M | 09:46 |
| ogra | still uploading | 09:49 |
| cbx33 | that's crazy | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | is that your upload link? | 09:54 |
| Burgwork | ogra: a minor english note: "since 20m" is incorrect | 09:55 |
| Burgwork | say instead: "for the past 20min" | 09:55 |
| === cbx33 pinches Burgwork | ||
| cbx33 | see what you made him do | 09:57 |
| Burgwork | heh | 09:57 |
| Burgwork | I suspect he was gone well before that | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | hmm i just compiled gimmie from source | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | and installed | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | but it's not appearing as an applet | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | :( | 09:59 |
| Burgwork | you might have grabbed the standalone stuff | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | did you add it? | 09:59 |
| Burgwork | what is the tarball name? | 09:59 |
| phanatic | Burgwork: it builds both | 10:00 |
| Burgwork | you might also need to relogin | 10:00 |
| Burgwork | sometimes new applets are not picked up by the applet adder thing until then | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | aah | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:00 |
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| cbx33 | well just switchin to lappie then we can chat tcm ok Burgwork ? | 10:00 |
| Burgwork | ok | 10:01 |
| === ogra doesnt ge the artwork package uplaoded :( | ||
| Burgwork | ogra: before you vanished, I said ogra: a minor english note: "since 20m" is incorrect | 10:01 |
| Burgwork | say instead: "for the past 20min" | 10:01 |
| ogra | oh, thanks | 10:01 |
| ogra | i just missed tha deadline | 10:01 |
| ogra | thanks to broadcom | 10:01 |
| Burgwork | ugh | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | are you serious? | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | no way | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | we can't get the artwork in at all or just not right now? | 10:03 |
| ogra | well, i had an agreement with Mithrandir | 10:03 |
| ogra | but i'm apparently not capable to get this damned thing ff my laptop | 10:04 |
| ogra | *off | 10:04 |
| cbx33 | brb | 10:06 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, any luck | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, he got it | 10:16 |
| cbx33 | yeeeeha | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | and I got an About Edubuntu bug for seb128 | 10:17 |
| ogra | yep | 10:17 |
| cbx33 | ogra, dude you rock | 10:18 |
| cbx33 | can you rest now? | 10:18 |
| ogra | after the meeting i will just fal asleep for the next 20h :) | 10:19 |
| cbx33 | good | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 10:19 |
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| cbx33 | ping Burgwork | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | pong cbx33 | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | chat time? | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | sure | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | oh, wait, nope | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | boss just walked in | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | ping me | 10:28 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, you still up | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | ogra's a mad man today | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | i know | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | I'm getting my share in too for starting out at 4:00am | 11:04 |
| cbx33 | ogra, just wanted to let you know I have signed up for being a mentor for GSoC | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | and have emailed Jason, the guy I hope to tutee everything he needs to sign up | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: was it easy to do? | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | yes very | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | a very simple form | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | but google is broken at the moment | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | my application isn't showing up | 11:05 |
| cbx33 | so KeyBuk couldn't moderate me | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | hmm, think I should sign up to just in case we need people? or do I have to pick a specific project to mentor? | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | ping Burgwork | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | i don;t think so | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | ping Keybuk, he's around | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | he knows all about GSoC | 11:06 |
| cbx33 | as he's the admin | 11:06 |
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| Burgwork | cbx33: pong | 11:12 |
| Burgwork | a web interface for tcm would be a great soc project | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | hoo ha boy | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | in feisty + 1 | 11:12 |
| cbx33 | tcm will have the capability to remotely connect to another tcm instance | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | web interface would mean a poor teacher, stuck on a windows machine, could admin it | 11:14 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | it shoudn't be a problem | 11:15 |
| Burgwork | be nice if tcm working on non-thin client machiens as well | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | so long as the web bit had capability to run the scp-backend package ;) | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | it would be easy | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | esp now it's been split | 11:15 |
| cbx33 | you gonna mail me chapter to day .... huh huh, are ya are ya :p | 11:17 |
| Burgwork | ya, I will | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | :D | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | the webstuff would run on the server itself | 11:18 |
| Burgwork | and you would just login via the servers IP | 11:18 |
| cbx33 | yup | 11:19 |
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| bimberi | ah found it | 11:46 |
| bimberi | bug 92648 | 11:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 92648 in gnome-panel "no menu item for About Edubuntu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92648 | 11:46 |
| bimberi | and that's working too | 11:47 |
| bimberi | (Ubugtu responding to 'bug #') | 11:48 |
| jgedeon | Does anyone know if any other schools have made a complete switch to Edubuntu? | 11:50 |
| Burgwork | jgedeon: what part of the world? | 11:52 |
| jgedeon | Burgwork: Not really sure if that matters really.. But I am working in the US. | 11:53 |
| Burgwork | there are almost certainly lots | 11:53 |
| jgedeon | I'm finding alot of information on classrooms but it seems like there isn't much on actual buildings. | 11:55 |
| jgedeon | Reason I ask is it look like a local district in my US area is seriously considering Edubuntu for the primary and intermediate buildings (K-5). | 11:56 |
| Burgwork | right | 11:56 |
| Burgwork | a building is really just a group of classrooms | 11:57 |
| jgedeon | True. | 11:57 |
| cbx33 | jgedeon, there is one i know of | 12:05 |
| cbx33 | you'd have to ask jono for it | 12:05 |
| cbx33 | nn all | 12:14 |
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