[12:18] does pulse run run there already ? [12:20] no, "ps |grep pulse" gives me nothing. [12:23] whats the error you get ? [12:25] let me check... [12:30] module.c: failed to load module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed. [12:30] main.c: Module load failed. [12:30] main.c: failed to initialize daemon. [12:31] ogra: sorry... i don't have any console mouse installed to copy/paste. [12:31] try adding -n [12:31] ok... [12:32] that should ignore the config file (which tries to load the esd compat module) [12:33] main.c: daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work. [12:34] pfft [12:34] silly thing ... [12:34] ok, but the binary is there ... [12:34] i wonder why it doesnt start then [12:35] add -L "module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1" [12:35] so we give it a module ... [12:35] and probably -L module-detect [12:36] so it will detect the soundcard === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [12:36] ogra: will do... [12:36] ogra, hey dude [12:38] yo [12:42] ogra: module.c: Failed to open module "module-native-protocol-tcp": module-native-protocol-tcp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. [12:47] hrm [12:49] tovella, dpkg -l pulseaudio [12:50] ok... [12:50] should be 0.9.5-5ubuntu4 [12:51] ogra: yes, that's exactly what i see. [12:52] same for pulseaudio-esound-compat ? [12:52] let me check... === jgedeon [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] ogra: yes, it's the same version. [12:53] ok [12:54] find the process id's of X and ldm, kill these procs, run /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start ... if X started, switch back to console and check for errors [12:55] ogra: ok... [12:58] ogra, dude .... so I'm curious [12:58] exactly when do you sleep? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEDA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] cbx33: same can be said for you sometimes [01:04] ;-) [01:04] heh [01:04] I'm finishing up a quote for a projecy === tovella [n=ktraglin@ool-4579ba05.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:06] ogra: sorry, i got disconnected from the server...had to re-start the client. [01:06] same here === ogra_ gets rid of the other slacker === ogra_ is now known as ogra [01:07] LaserJock, "What is the correct place to ask about..." [01:07] would be solved by the book idea ;) [01:07] ah, that feels like me [01:08] ogra: i mean i got disconnected from the edubuntu server - had to restart the thin-client. [01:08] lots of comments [01:08] LaserJock, would appreciate your thoughts after reading those [01:09] tovella, oh, how that ? [01:09] ogra, btw that horiz/vert didn't do anything [01:09] ogra: killed ldm, then X [01:09] unless I need to edit xorg.conf to make that mode available [01:10] stil support for an entire xf86confgig file?? [01:10] tovella, that shouldnt log you out from the thin client console [01:11] cliebow_, sure [01:11] 8~) [01:11] ogra: it did, but the login window never re-appeared. [01:11] tovella, its not supposed to [01:12] ogra: perhaps i screwed up somehow. [01:12] the /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start would have given it back to you [01:13] ...ahh, i see. not as familiar with ltsp as i'd like to be, but i'm learning more... [01:15] ogra: i indeed may have screwed something up... i was concerned that a session may still be active, so i did the "users" command. it reports 2 users, though no-one else is here. i think i should cold boot the server. [01:15] ogra: says 2 users, but only gives a single username. [01:16] that doesnt really matter since we only want to work on the client for now [01:16] ogra: ok. [01:16] so check if there is a pulse process on the client console ... [01:17] ogra: ok... will do... [01:17] (dont even log in on the login manager, so you dont have any dropped or hanging sessions) [01:17] ogra: quick question (maybe), mdke just asked me if we should replace About Ubuntu with About Edubuntu in the gnome menu [01:18] or maybe at least add it there [01:18] if you hae an easy way to do that, i'd be happy [01:18] *have [01:18] ogra: i've already logged in via the login manager - using Gaim. [01:19] ok [01:20] ogra: hmm, I'll have to dig around in gnome-menus code to see how that's determined [01:20] ogra: i did got to tty1, though. logged in as root, and "ps aux|grep..." gives nothing for pulse === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [01:29] ogra: i forgot to mention that the background for the login manager (on the thin-client) IS white. I'd been bouncing around back and forth from the server to the client so much that my brain signals must have gotten screwed up. [01:30] :) [01:33] LaserJock: /usr/share/applications/ubuntu-about.desktop (package gnome-panel-data) [01:33] bimberi: wonderful, I was just thinking about that [01:33] seems like an odd place to stick it [01:35] it took some finding :) [01:35] it would probably be better to have an edubuntu-about.desktop and modify the menu to use it instead [01:37] yes [01:37] I would guess we'd have to have both though :-/ [01:46] dsymons@asi:/usr$ sudo grep -R ubuntu-about * [01:46] Binary file bin/gnome-panel matches [01:49] hardcoding? ;) [01:52] yeah, I'm not sure how to do it quite [01:52] ogra: i know i've kept you tied up with this for a long time, and i really do appreciate all your help. i don't want to keep you searching for something i might be able to resolve on this end, though. i've got some ideas about some other things to try... different sound card, and such. again, thanks for all your help, and i'll let you know if i'm able to resolve this. [01:53] LaserJock, well, its surely owned by ubuntu-docs [01:53] exactly :( [01:53] tovella, thanks :) === tovella [n=ktraglin@ool-4579ba05.dyn.optonline.net] has left #edubuntu [] [01:54] so I don't know how it would be possible to move the .desktop === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:54] ogra: actually I think the .desktop is owned by gnome-panel-data [01:54] it's not in ubuntu-docs .deb [01:54] meh [01:54] although the About Ubuntu doc is [01:54] worse then [01:55] yeah, docs stink [01:55] and one ltsp bug less ... yay [01:55] I don't know why we have to have stuff in at least 3-4 different source packages to get it [01:55] meh, i missed one commit ... === ogra curses [01:58] LaserJock, why doesn't oodraw and oomath have icons? [01:58] ? [01:58] they should I think [01:58] well they dont [01:58] maybe the new OO.o look has some issues? [01:58] this is in edgy [01:59] it frustrates me [01:59] it's a big selling feature....esp oomath for schools/unis [02:05] nn === jack_wyt [n=jack@218.18.191.92] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96A12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === adrenalin1983 [n=pr3d4t0r@C-59-100-149-93.ade.connect.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] oh crap [03:30] cbx33 changed a ton of stuff in TCM and didnt include the new glade file [03:30] argh [03:30] Can someone please help me get my network up and running, I have dhcp working .. but I cant browse web pages. I am able to ping domain names. But when I attempt to apt-get update or mget something it attempts to connect to ip 1.0.0.0 [03:30] and I cant view web pages [03:31] Anyone? [03:31] Please this is driving me nuts [03:32] adrenalin1983: i've heard of this issue, give me a bit to look it up [03:33] ok thank you I will be here waiting for ur responce [03:37] hm, some say it's ipv6, others an issue with resolv.conf [03:37] ok so what do you suggest to do ? [03:37] !ipv6 [03:37] To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4 [03:38] try that first [03:38] ok thanks [03:38] will do [03:43] hm, seems bo be bug 81057 [03:44] @bug 81057 [03:44] gr [03:46] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057 "DNS Resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [03:48] adrenalin1983: if that doesn't work, try editing /etc/resolv.conf to have the addresses of your ISP's nameservers [03:49] ok thanks if it doesnt work ill do that [03:49] just rebooting now Ill let you know [03:50] ok it was ipv6 [03:50] I can browse web now just fin e === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.6.131] has joined #edubuntu [03:50] thanks for your help [03:51] cool, no worries :) [03:51] ciao for now ;) [03:51] cya === adrenalin1983 [n=pr3d4t0r@C-59-100-149-93.ade.connect.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:54] hmm im back... My web browser works fine now [03:55] but when I apt-get update it still tries to connect to 1.0.0.0 [03:56] Im sure its not the router, because atm Im at the missus's place and I connect through a computer that has a router [03:58] hmm, perhaps editing resolv.conf might work [03:58] adrenalin1983: if that doesn't work, try editing /etc/resolv.conf to have the addresses of your ISP's nameservers [03:58] yeah ill give that a go now [03:59] (that was a repeat of my earlier post) [04:03] yep that solved the apt problem :) [04:03] thanking you muchly [04:04] take care [04:05] too quick === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [05:15] sigh, i give up on TCM ... :/ no chance to work on it without the right glade file :/ [05:15] night all [05:16] night ogra === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #edubuntu [] === jack_wyt [n=jack@218.18.191.92] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@58.61.198.26] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ is now known as jack_wyt === crazy_bus [n=philip@CPE-60-229-85-217.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [08:42] thanks for all your help so far. I am currently looking for a program to teach/assist someone learning musical instruments. Is there a program I could install to do this? [09:05] crazy_bus: be more specific, what do you want the programme to do ? music scripting, music composition ? === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] sorry I had to leave for a bit. I was more thinking of something with flashcards of the buttons (on a instument)corresponding to a particular music note. Or a program along similar lines as that. === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.6.181] has joined #edubuntu [09:45] but anything to do with music would also be helpful [09:58] crazy_bus: let me do a quick search ... back in a bit [09:59] thanks === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #edubuntu [10:22] crazy_bus: http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/ [10:22] look for the section: Sites For Classroom Music Teachers === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:27] thanks for the link. I'm reading it now === adrenalin1983 [n=root@dsl-58-6-87-23.sa.westnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [10:28] Hi, can someone help me setup xgl on my radeon 7500 [10:29] bimberi, are you around? I spoke to you earlier today [10:30] anyone? [10:31] can anyone even hear me ? === adrenalin1983 [n=root@dsl-58-6-87-23.sa.westnet.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [10:35] ogra: I apologise.....I am 99% sure the package worked fine on my machine === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #edubuntu [10:43] cbx33, i'm nearly done with a new glade file [10:45] ok....removing the vnc capability? [10:47] gah, now i broke everything [10:47] grr [10:49] by the way [10:49] the bzr get worked [10:49] thanks for that === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@dslb-088-073-087-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [12:09] hrm [12:09] we urgently need to do another UI session on TCM === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has left #edubuntu ["You] [12:10] there is agood bunch of usability issues i'd like to solve ... but you cant have everything ... === ogra uploads [12:11] cbx33, where do you set the client pw for the vnc stuff ? (i mean for the preview) [12:12] morningogra [12:12] or so ..., yes [12:12] in the code [12:12] look for vncvnc [12:12] right there is light outside, must be morning [12:14] is Edubuntu doing anything for SoC? [12:15] i'm hopng to [12:15] waiting on doko === juliux [n=Julius@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] LaserJock, sure, why not ... i'm personally not yet sure i want to mentor, but feel free :) [12:17] well, I just saw on the Blue Obelisk mailing list that the chemisty projects didn't make it as sponsoring organizations [12:18] I wondered if they could try getting a project via Edubuntu and I could mentor [12:18] cbx33, oh, lisa updated the wallpaper .... [12:18] hmm, that color is pretty ubuntu [12:21] ogra: do you think that kind of thing ^^could work? I'm not very familiar with SoC [12:22] i think that could work, but you will need to make a plausible explanatin *why* its good for edubuntu [12:23] because Chemistry rules the world!!! [12:24] hmm, the problem is the things I could think of are things that only I'd be interested in doing I think [12:25] cbx33, dou you think lisa could turn the color a bit more into orange ? [12:26] yeah, it's a bit difficult to us our normal Edubuntu colors on a wallpaper without getting too bright [12:26] *use [12:26] wow, i uploaded TCM 5 min before the freeze [12:26] I can but ask ogra [12:26] wow [12:27] well done ogra [12:27] well, lets see, we'Re in freeze now [12:27] maybe a softer, faded orange would work [12:27] hang on [12:27] i havent done any artwork yet [12:27] I havn;t even see nthe new artwork [12:27] it;s a binary file....that's a simple bugfix right :p [12:27] looks way better, but its ubuntu brown [12:27] and i need it in a reasonable size [12:28] 1600x1200 or so [12:28] i dont want to scale up the one from the wiki, that will look shitty [12:30] yay [12:30] we have until 21:00 UTC [12:30] (for artwork) [12:30] ogra: she is doing it now [12:30] oh ok [12:30] no hurry :) [12:30] ogra: I thought our artwork was done by kwii for Feisty? [12:30] or is this just additional stuff [12:30] hahahah [12:31] sent her a text she's on it [12:31] ;) [12:32] I'm trying to get a testamonial from a kid [12:32] LaserJock, well .... [12:32] ... [12:32] ... [12:32] . [12:32] didn't work out? [12:32] not realy [12:32] not exactly as we planned no === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] ogra: any edubuntu specific ideas for SoC? [12:43] jsgotangco: are you doing SoC stuff again this year? [12:43] well i can mentor again if there is space [12:44] jsgotangco, not really, but probably RichEd has some [12:44] jsgotangco: ? what sort of thing are you looking for ? [12:44] i think i'll just look through the list of submissions once thats up [12:44] RichEd, a project for the summer of code ... [12:45] i hope doko got my request [12:45] ideas for apps we want written from students for us [12:45] Jason is a really great guy....very enthusiastic, but realistic [12:45] ah ... can I browse any histoty to get ideas of the sort of scope & how big a chunk of work they can handle in the time ? [12:45] cbx33: is he of age? [12:45] yes [12:45] *history [12:45] he's finish [12:45] finnish [12:46] well lives in finland [12:46] originally from the states [12:46] iirc [12:46] RichEd: the 2006 projects should be on the wiki somewhere [12:46] I offered to mentor him... [12:46] LaserJock: got the wiki link from jsgotangco ... t [12:46] well i would like to mentor again if possible... [12:46] thans [12:46] I know him quite well....his work on phimage was good [12:47] jsgotangco: I was thinking I could possibly too if the need arose [12:47] f.y.i. Jono Bacon and I spoke about extending the Ubuntu LoCo's into a school specific community focus ... [12:47] RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 [12:47] I guess we need to just find some projects :-) [12:47] thats the list from last year [12:47] LaserJock: well you have to be on the list to be able to see the applications [12:47] which reminds me .... [12:48] In South Africa, in Cape Town, there are a couple of SLUGS = Schools Linux User Groups ... [12:48] oooh [12:48] maybe we should get YouthLUG involved there ;) [12:48] AAAAAAA .. Amaranth ? any idea if you will find time to make willow at least start again before release ? [12:48] jsgotangco: but there's a list on the Ubuntu wiki of some I think [12:48] So Jono and I were tossing around the idea of how to build up similar for the Community & LoCo effort, and link this to a drive to promote Ubuntu as a development environment. [12:49] LaserJock: well yeah [12:49] our loco will be having a nature climb next month [12:49] hehe [12:49] NO COMPUTERS [12:49] jsgotangco: that's not possible :p [12:49] cbx33: sure [12:49] you must take just one [12:49] jsgotangco: is/was there a deadline for signing up as mentors [12:49] with ubuntu on it [12:49] LaserJock: doko and Keybuk are dealing with it all this year [12:49] cbx33: we all agreed we won't add more carbon dumping during the trk [12:50] trek [12:50] jsgotangco: not even the kind hiding as cell phones? :-) [12:50] well we will do cellphones and gps [12:50] but we won't summit with a laptop [12:50] hehe [12:50] heh [12:50] Do the project apps in question have to be linux apps, or can they be web based applications ? [12:50] i can try smuggling a PDA [12:50] heh [12:51] lol [12:51] RichEd, they need to be shippable by us and gain us anything for ubuntu/edubuntu === RichEd gives jsgotangco the rubber gloves and deep inspection kit [12:51] did I tell people about Coon? [12:51] Coon? [12:52] Jasons idea for a project [12:52] for GSoC [12:52] cbx33: url [12:52] it;s to keep track of students grades and marks [12:52] none as yet [12:52] and do some rudimentary analysis [12:52] i think it's a pretty good idea [12:52] well he can submit a proposal [12:53] already has [12:53] come on let me join again, i badly need another t-shirt [12:53] lol [12:53] ogra: and say we wanted to have an web site application review area, where the apps were registered into a database, and submissions rated, and then it was searchable by age group, type, and order of popularity, would that classify ... it's not really shippable. [12:53] jsgotangco: now you sound like someone who works for a non-profit ;) [12:53] RichEd: it should be deliverable within the prescribed period by Google [12:53] hehe [12:53] RichEd, not sure, we didnt have such projects yet ... usually they are small gui tools or something [12:53] highvoltage: yeah hahaha === jsgotangco is learning the politics of non profits already [12:54] okay thanks ... just mulling over possibilities and trying to understand the constraints. [12:54] I'm my own non-profit :( [12:54] will give it some thought [12:54] i had one project that resulted in a little app to select windows drivers for network cards that could only run with them for example ... [12:54] a very trivial app [12:54] RichEd: if its workable in 3-4 months it would be feasible [12:55] LaserJock: being your own non-profit is the best kind [12:55] highvoltage: hmmm [12:55] ;) [12:55] jsgotangco, btw, what became of your last project, it looked promising [12:55] ogra: well i told him he should have it in REVU but he didn't do much of it [12:56] but he delivered packages even [12:56] sad [12:56] so its usable ? [12:56] jsgotangco: thanks ... most of what I envisage would be a drupal submission form, and then the rest is just database search links. not to much effort or genius level. [12:56] it is [12:56] GAH [12:56] ogra: do you me to look into it again? [12:56] want [12:56] please ping me very loud if feisty+1 starts [12:56] so we get it in [12:56] ok [12:57] i should be active once feisty+1 starts as well [12:57] :) [12:57] active again [12:57] w00t [12:57] now its to late ... no new packages for universe if i'm right [12:57] we've missed you jsgotangco [12:57] yeah [12:57] toleef just send an email regarding beta freeze [12:57] me missed? [12:57] ogra: not since Feb. 22nd [12:58] now that's something new [12:58] LaserJock, righ [12:58] t [01:01] ogra: http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-education [01:08] someone rattled my chains? === pauljw [n=paul@pool177.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:24] cbx33, another hug to store for lisa until you are home .... [01:24] that wallpaper is slick :) [01:25] hmm, but with 900x720 still to small [01:27] ok [01:31] can i take a peek? [01:31] she has the high version [01:40] man I wish we could have this glade in ubuntu already: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/en/figures/figure-glade-big.png === mode/#edubuntu [-o HedgeMage] by highvoltage [01:41] oops === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [01:41] wow [01:41] this is glade 3 right [01:41] I think so. it's the new one in gnome 2.18 [01:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette [01:41] jsgotangco: there it is [01:41] thanks! [01:42] it certain has anime feel with those doe eyes [01:43] wow is that a gdm mockup [01:43] heeh [01:43] that was an ldm mockup [01:43] and maybe something for feisty 1 [02:10] highvoltage: I've been using "that glade" for a while, it's pretty nice [02:10] highvoltage: the .glade files (at least in my case) are a lot smaller too [02:10] LaserJock: nice. how did you install it? is there a deb, or did you compile from source? [02:13] Feisty [02:13] apt-get away [02:14] hmmm.. I apt-getted it just a few minutes ago, and I still have glade 2.12.1 :/ [02:15] well, there are separate packages for glade 3 [02:15] aaah [02:15] so 2 & 3 can coexist [02:16] yeah [02:17] but glade 3 is a leap forward to being really usable [02:19] yeah, it is much nicer, IMO [02:22] heh, glade-3 just crashed on me [02:25] worked fine here for me the whole night [02:26] could someone suggest which of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette we should take as the "young" flavor ? (the top one will be the default bg, i'm just waiting for a bigger sized version) [02:28] i am not so sure with doe-eyed kids in swimsuits [02:29] yep, i find that to young as well [02:30] for the one with the nimbers at the bottom its unlikely that we'll get is in time in the right size ... i'm not sure lisa has the original one to resize it [02:30] *numbers [02:30] i prefer the light blue palette with the abstract art [02:30] the others look subtle to me [02:31] which one exactly (counted from the top) [02:31] the 2nd one [02:31] : [02:31] ( [02:32] blue ? [02:32] i just dunno how you will be able to make a good palette for that [02:32] yeah my sentiments exactly [02:32] so well look like a mix of xubuntu and kubuntu ? [02:32] well, thats why lisa reworked it in orange [02:32] well, we do have XFCE4 and KDE Edu, right? [02:32]