[12:55] <Zerlinna> Riddell: mail sent.. see you
[03:09] <firephoto> Riddell: I tested the Upgrade tool, worked pretty good, commented on bug 84717
[03:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84717
[07:06] <Jucato> is there a way to customize/change the Kopete main window theme?
[07:07] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu_93_konq_doc_remove_go_window_menu.diff
[07:07] <nixternal> there is the konqueror fix. sorry about earlier
[07:10] <Jucato> nixternal: you ended up using the customize-desktop guide I wrote after all (although indirectly :P)
[07:10] <nixternal> Jucato: actually that is the old customized desktop guide that was already there
[07:10] <nixternal> I just tweaked it a little bit
[07:11] <Jucato> nixternal: no, I meant you linked to the one in the KDE User's Guide :)
[07:11] <nixternal> ahh, ya, much easier to work
[07:11] <nixternal> OK, bed time. g'nite
[07:11] <Jucato> g'night! :)
[08:11] <Jucato> what's the correct setting to solve bug 92446? I remember experiencing this but tweaked around and fixed it.. can't remember which setting fixed it..
[08:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92446 in beryl-manager "beryl shuts down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92446
[08:11] <Jucato> er wrong bug
[08:11] <Jucato> bug 92445
[08:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92445 in kde-systemsettings "Unable to change the user image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92445
[08:14] <_StefanS_> mornings
[08:14] <Jucato> lol! man! :)
[08:14] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_!
[08:14] <Jucato> you have an uncanny timing btw...
[08:15] <_StefanS_> you're up early :)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> uncanny even ? :D
[08:15] <Jucato> 3:14pm isn't exactly what I'd call early :)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> hey why don't go to bed ? :)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> its 8:15 here
[08:15] <Jucato> uncanny because for the 2nd time in a row, you suddenly show up just when I have something for you :)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> hehe thought so
[08:16] <Jucato> well 2 things actually: using the cursor keys in the logout dialog, and are there settings to adjust the fade out/in speed?
[08:17] <Jucato> oh make that 3: is it an intended or normal behavior that clicking outside the logout dialog cancels it?
[08:18] <_StefanS_> 1) cursor keys is fixed, 2) you can adjust the following in ksmserverrc : doFancyLogout=true/false , doFancyLogoutFadeTime=4000 (in ms), doFancyLogoutFadeBackTime=1000 (also ms.)
[08:19] <_StefanS_> 3) I dont know, does it cancel it ? :)
[08:19] <Jucato> 1) so you can't use the cursor keys to move around the dialog? 2) ah so no GUI way... need to document that...(imho) 3) yes it does :)
[08:19] <_StefanS_> I see it does cancel it .. is that a problem ?
[08:20] <_StefanS_> 1) you CAN move around with cursor keys (=arrows)
[08:20] <_StefanS_> 2) no GUI way.. Riddell didn't think it was a priority back then
[08:21] <_StefanS_> could be done fairly easy though .. maybe you could hack kcontrol ?
[08:21] <Jucato> ah ok 1) didn't work earlier for me... 2) isn't really a priority :)
[08:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: I think we should just set good default
[08:21] <Jucato> but 4secs is a bit... :)
[08:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: yes definitely
[08:22] <Lure> Jucato: yep, we may make it a bit faster
[08:22] <Jucato> 3) I'm not sure if this was the default behavior in the original logout dialog... I'm imagining it might be a bit annoying if you accidentally click outside? (but could also be convenient actually...)
[08:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: there was one more: doFancyLogoutAdditionalDarkness = 0.6
[08:24] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[08:24] <_StefanS_> let me know how fast you want it, I will change it
[08:24] <Jucato> maybe one day we'll have a GUI to control that... maybe I'll even make it... (dream on!)
[08:25] <_StefanS_> I didn't get any further on that kdesu fade since I tested the upgrader :( ..
[08:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its very easy to implement
[08:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just look at the way the rubberband  effect is patched into it
[08:25] <Jucato> hehe yeah... it's a bit easy I think... but I'm a bit traumatized w/ patches right now :P
[08:26] <_StefanS_> they will eventually traumatize you  .. I always end up supplying a regular diff, instead of debdiff
[08:26] <Jucato> :)
[08:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I had to stir up some serious noise to have the screensaver stuff fixed a while ago ..
[08:30] <Jucato> it's not a serious patch anyway... and I bet it's a bit "controversial"...
[08:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I heard nothing for 2 weeks or something
[08:30] <Jucato> (a patch that adds a toggle to enable/disable middle-click to close tabs in Konqueror)
[08:30] <_StefanS_> enlight3n me
[08:31] <_StefanS_> hmm thats bad
[08:31] <_StefanS_> ah the sweet sound of 15mbit ..
[08:32] <Jucato> the other is a toggle to enable/disable those yellow boxes that appear in Konqueror when you press Ctrl in web browsing mode
[08:32] <_StefanS_> they are anoying in fact
[08:33] <Jucato> yes... but some are of the opinion that providing a GUI way to toggle that is not the correct answer... blah blah.. :)
[08:34] <_StefanS_> yea I see ..
[08:35] <Jucato> anyway, the ksmserverrc options you gave above, those are not written into the file by default?
[08:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope, they're set within the code, but gets overwritten if something was set in ksmserverrc
[08:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: "use hardcoded values, if not set elsewhere"
[08:40] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ok... but what group should they be in? (in case I want to add it)
[08:40] <_StefanS_> [Logout] 
[08:40] <Jucato> ok adding :)
[08:43] <_StefanS_> it should take the settings without logging out first
[08:43] <Jucato> yep
[08:43] <Jucato> it does :D
[08:44] <Jucato> the display flashes after the fadeback right?
[08:44] <_StefanS_> yes
[08:45] <Jucato> ok
[08:45] <_StefanS_> well It actually switches back to the "live" screen from a static screenshot
[08:45] <Jucato> thought so :)
[08:45] <_StefanS_> and Qt makes it aaalll flashy for you
[08:47] <Jucato> :D
[08:47] <_StefanS_> doUbuntuLogout=0/1 affects kdm too
[08:47] <_StefanS_> just so you know
[08:47] <Jucato> what's that?
[08:48] <Jucato> I mean what does that do?
[08:48] <_StefanS_> if set to 0, it uses the standard logout screens
[08:48] <_StefanS_> independent from the fade
[08:48] <Jucato> aah
[08:48] <_StefanS_> so you can combine it anyway you want
[08:49] <Jucato> kool!!!
[08:49] <Jucato> :D
[08:49] <Jucato> btw, I was wrong about the 3) issue... seems like it's the default behavior after all
[08:49] <Jucato> (clicking somewhere else cancels the logout)
[08:50] <_StefanS_> mm ok .. I havent tested that
[08:50] <_StefanS_> but we just leave it there then..
[08:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you make sense of those log files I sent you ?
[08:53] <Jucato> what's the default font settings for Kubuntu? are we using DejaVu or Sans Serif?
[08:56] <_StefanS_> take a pick.. they're both uglyt
[08:56] <_StefanS_> :D
[08:56] <_StefanS_> nah.. DejaVu is certainly a change for the better..
[08:56] <Jucato> lol! I need to know the exact ones for a bug report :)
[08:57] <_StefanS_> lemme boot a default feisty then
[08:57] <_StefanS_> ooh I just had it on pause, will have that for you in a moment
[08:58] <Jucato> hm... k-d-s kdeglobals seems to say sans serif.....
[08:58] <_StefanS_> so hows things going with the mobile hamster ?
[08:58] <Jucato> but I just want to confirm :)
[08:58] <Lure> Jucato: I think it is Sans Serif, but this is just alias for DejaVu
[08:58] <Jucato> hehe
[08:58] <Jucato> ah ok thanks :)
[09:04] <Jucato> hm.. why didn't we get the filelight 1.0 version in feisty? it fixes the crash on exit bug
[09:14] <Jucato> question, should I change the affected package in bug 40381 from k-d-s to kcontrol too?
[09:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40381 in kde-systemsettings "system settings can't be reset to Kubuntu defaults" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40381
[10:13] <GNUro> !tor
[10:13] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92433 in feisty-session-splashes "The newest splash is quite phallic..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92433
[10:57] <praetor_> has anyone compiled kdepim from svn recently?
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the status of the achives yet ? I'm preparing a package for the new ktorrent
[11:22] <Lure_> Tonio_: nixternal already did that, but Riddell was uneasy to go for UVFe due to major changes
[11:23] <Tonio_> Lure so main is frozen now ?
[11:23] <Tonio_> Lure 2 vulnerabilities issues is not enough . :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> ?
[11:25] <Tonio_> hi manchicken_ ;)
[11:25] <manchicken_> Hiya.
[11:25] <Lure_> Tonio_: security stuff was backported and uploaded to all releases
[11:25] <manchicken_> Goodness, where've you been? ;)
[11:25] <Lure_> main is suppose to froze today, but you can ask Mithrandir
[11:26] <Tonio_> Lure_: ah great, I have another update to upload for kmplayer
[11:28] <manchicken_> I feel so dirty, I haven't done any kubuntu work for almost 2 weeks now.
[11:28] <manchicken_> And I'm pretty sure I won't be able to for this week or the next :(
[11:28] <manchicken_> I'm in Chicago this week for work, and next week I'm in New York City for work.
[11:30] <Tonio_> manchicken_: ah :(
[11:32] <manchicken_> But I'm applying for my passport on Monday :)
[11:35] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe ;)
[11:35] <manchicken> We also need to change our address with our bank and such...
[11:35] <manchicken> Can't believe we forgot to do that last week.
[11:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: can happen sometimes
[11:38] <manchicken> I can't believe I'm in the office at 0540
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal: ping
[12:15] <Riddell> nixternal: did you get a fix for kdebase?
[12:15] <Riddell> lphotos looks fun, but needs a fix
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just validating install-mp3 script
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: and upgrade kmplayer and uploaded kds and kdenetwork to remove the contact list theme causing issues on high resolutions
[12:18] <Riddell> upgrade kmplayer to what?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: new upstream release, mostly bugfix one
[12:19] <Tonio_> 0.9.4 is out
[12:19] <Tonio_> mithrandir told me it wasn't too late for upload
[12:21] <Riddell> groovy
[12:22] <Tonio_> dpkg --get-selections libxine1-ffmpeg
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: can that play mp3's ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> I always thought it was extracodecs....
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: extracodecs is dead
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: but it probably still needs libmad0 too
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah....
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing, let me look
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: all are in main ? strange... shouldn't it be in restricted ?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: libxine1-ffmpeg depends on libmad0 so that's okay, I'm just surprized to see that stuff in main
[12:26] <manchicken> We should modify all IRC clients to make them not work as root.
[12:27] <manchicken> Or at least complain.
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the scrip works nicelly here, and since it doesn't require universe/multiverse activation, is therefore way better and simple, nice ;)
[12:32] <sebas> manchicken: Do that twice, please.
[12:33] <vprints> hey
[12:33] <vprints> is there a known problem with feistey translations yesterday-today ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll contact kaffeine theme to get infos on the fix for konqueror
[12:35] <manchicken> sebas: What's that?  Stab income tax?
[12:36] <manchicken> sebas: My dad always taught me that anything worth shooting or stabbing, is worth shooting or stabbing twice ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: any big bug I should look at ?
[12:36] <Riddell> vprints: nope
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: you could try getting lphoto working
[12:36] <Tonio_> okay
[12:37] <sebas> manchicken: Yes, then that applies to my income tax stuff as well, I guess.
[12:37] <vprints> ok, whom should i talk with about that?
[12:37] <Riddell> vprints: telling us what the problem is would be a good start
[12:38] <vprints> :P
[12:38] <vprints> mkey
[12:38] <vprints> yesterday's updates lost all kopete's translations for estonian
[12:39] <vprints> confirmed on two machines with all the latest
[12:39] <luka74> Tonio_: you are coming to Zagreb!? I also plan to come... ;-)
[12:39] <vprints> it is translated in LP and comes anyway mostly from kde directly
[12:40] <vprints> but it just dissapeared testerday
[12:40] <Tonio_> luka74: yes I've been invited as a speaker
[12:41] <Tonio_> Lure: would be nice to see you there ;)
[12:41] <Lure> Tonio_: great, I was not 100% sure I will come, but now I am sure ;-)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[12:50] <Lure> Tonio_: when are you arriving/leaving to Zagreb
[01:07] <Jucato> Lure: excuse me. you mentioned in bug 36694 that lilo-config should be removed from kdeadmin's recommends. any update on that?
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36694 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings shows a "Bootmanager (Lilo)" entry despite having Grub as boot loader" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36694
[01:09] <Lure> Jucato: not really, I am not sure if there are any users of lilo on ubuntu
[01:09] <Jucato> ah ok. :)
[01:11] <kwwii> howdy Jucato
[01:11] <Lure> kwwii: hi, do you still plan to desaturate scrollbars a bit?
[01:11] <kwwii> Lure: yepp, I am working on the wallpaper and the colorscheme now
[01:12] <Jucato> kwwii: I haven't restarted for 24 hours, but after my upgrade to feisty, I noticed that the progress bar in USplash is a bit too much to the right
[01:12] <Lure> kwwii: good ;-)
[01:12] <Lure> kwwii: looking to see new stuff
[01:12] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> kwwii: got pictures or something?
[01:12] <kwwii> Hobbsee: nope, not yet
[01:12] <Lure> kwwii: your ubuntu artwork is not well understood by users, right? ;-)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> awww
[01:13] <kwwii> Hobbsee: no major changes though
[01:13] <kwwii> Lure: how so?
[01:13] <Jucato> we won't have any phallic artwork right? :D
[01:13] <kwwii> lol, I did that on purpose
[01:13] <kwwii> since they say the wallpaper loooks like a snapshot up a girls skirt, I figured I better include something for the girls as well :D
[01:14] <kwwii> (and the splash has been changed already)
[01:14] <Jucato> hahah :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hrm????
[01:14] <Jucato> nice one :D
[01:14] <Lure> kwwii: http://popey.com/Ubuntu_is_sexy_alright
[01:14] <Hobbsee> which wallpaper got this description?
[01:14] <kwwii> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-March/109114.html
[01:14] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  too much sexy
[01:15] <sebas> Lure: ROFL.
[01:15] <kwwii> Hobbsee: but don#t say I didn't warn you
[01:15] <Lure> sebas: kwwii just can do gnome artwork properly ;-)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ugh.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Lure: ouch :P
[01:17] <sebas> That thing, plus the raindrop effect makes it a questionable appearance.
[01:18] <_StefanS_> kwwii: that new splash.. could you put some more edges to the logo ? it sort of disappears much like the bootsplash did
[01:19] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yeah, I'll still be working on it
[01:19] <Jucato> oh lastly, kwwii, just wondering if you think it will be good if the bootsplash logo (the kubuntu circle) would have some outer glow as well, just like the text?
[01:20] <kwwii> Jucato: somehow that makes it look funky
[01:20] <Jucato> hm... ok
[01:20] <Jucato> it just feels like that the circle/logo was just pasted there artificially... just imho though...
[01:21] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you could consider making the background on the splash more dark, to get some more heavy effect to the logo aswell (and the icon box showing the progress)
[01:22] <kwwii> _StefanS_: actually the splash uses the same background as the desktop
[01:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: make it darker then :)
[01:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: let me give you an example...
[01:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: http://art4linux.org/pages/wallpapers5.html
[01:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: maybe you already seen them, but the tornado ones look nice
[01:24] <sebas> Read the email kwwii posted and you know where it comes from.
[01:24] <kwwii> _StefanS_: nifty
[01:24] <sebas> And sit tight before you do.
[01:25] <Tonio_> crimsun: ping ? concerning the speakers patch for the kernel and macbooks, I'll test it when the kernel is fixed to boot, currently failing, that's why you didn't get the feedback I promissed
[01:27] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well "Waves" is cool too
[01:27] <Jucato> _StefanS_: the "Drum" looks eeriely similar to the one linked from the mailing list :D
[01:28] <_StefanS_> oh well the have to get the inspiration from somewhere ;)
[01:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: btw, related to bug 36694, lilo-config no longer appears in System Settings at all (although it does appear in kcontrol)... and on a separate note, kommando's control module is still misisng.
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36694 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings shows a "Bootmanager (Lilo)" entry despite having Grub as boot loader" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36694
[01:31] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I've added a glow behind the logo so no need to change the wallpaper
[01:32] <_StefanS_> kwwii: sweet, cant wait to see it
[01:33] <_StefanS_> kwwii: btw, I always thought the default wallpaper was too light, looking almost glassy.. (which i dont like )
[01:33] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yeah, I changed that too :-)
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I jave the fix for lphoto, let me investigate a bit more
[01:34] <Jucato> yay for new artwork! :)
[01:34] <Jucato> Tonio_: re kompile, you're forgiven heheh :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes I know that's for today
[01:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: kool! did I say already say that you rock? :D
[01:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: bah I should have done that before, but I got engaged with my girlfriend officially, got in a restaurant etc....
[01:36] <Jucato> and the rest... is history... :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixed, I'll ping mithrandir for upload
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: patch is tribial, s/2.4/2.5 for python :)
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's in universe
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: not sure if universe is frozen
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: oops, I'll ping dholbach then
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you tried to add a photo?
[01:38] <Tonio_> trivial
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: not yet, I just fixed the launch issue, I'm just testing a bit more
[01:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: might be worth pointing at pycentral rather than a versioned python
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you get anything out of those logfiles I sent you ?
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: true
[01:40] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll be submitting a new kubuntu-default-settings in a bit, ok?
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch, crashes when adding one hehe :) okay let's investigate a bit more :)
[01:40] <Jucato> heh looks like Riddell is the man of the hour :D
[01:41] <Riddell> kwwii: main is frozen, be fast.  what's changed?
[01:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: not sure I saw them actually
[01:41] <kwwii> the wallpaper, the dialog pics for kdm and ksplash and the color scheme
[01:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what the h*ll I stayed up late to have them for you
[01:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: :)
[01:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I see it now, was lost in my e-mail
[01:45] <_StefanS_> :)
[01:45] <Riddell> I've had that same report from someone else
[01:46] <Riddell> it's tricky to debug is the problem, since it takes several hours to recreate
[01:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, let me know if I should test again.. I can always rewind
[01:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you mean building the packages ?
[01:47] <Riddell> recreating the problem
[01:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope, around 1 hr..
[01:47] <Riddell> mm, not ideal
[01:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I can do it simultaneously on two if you want to ..
[01:49] <Riddell> I'll try and recreate it here first
[01:49] <_StefanS_> oka..
[01:51] <kwwii> Riddell: just commited
[01:55] <Riddell> kwwii: I can't see a difference in the wallpaper, what's changed?
[01:57] <kwwii> Riddell: it is slightly darker in the middle and a bit more purple on the outside
[01:57] <kwwii> Riddell: and it fits better to the color scheme
[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: our lphoto package is pretty old, I'll try to upgrade it first...
[01:58] <Jucato> kwwii: you removed the blue color from the scrollbars right?
[01:58] <kwwii> Jucato: no, for now I made the color a bit less saturated
[01:58] <kwwii> Jucato: but if everyone screams we can make them non-colored
[01:58] <Jucato> hm.. ok this is weird :)
[01:59] <kwwii> ?
[01:59] <Jucato> my scrollbars are non-colored except in apps run w/ kdesu...
[01:59] <kwwii> or did someone make the scrollbars have no color (which is fine by me)?
[01:59] <Jucato> bah.. I'll figure this out... dist-upgraded...
[02:00] <Riddell> kwwii: I really can't see a difference
[02:01] <kwwii> Riddell: let me check to see that I did not b0rk things
[02:01] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/wallpapers.png
[02:01] <_StefanS_> just a thought about kdesu... actually it would be nice if kdesu actually displayed descriptions, rather than the rather crypthic commands in the text (eg. adept_manager would be "Adept Manager (Manage Packages)"
[02:02] <kwwii> Riddell: lol, I can see the difference in that pic :-)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell'
[02:02] <Hobbsee> s clearly not an artist :)
[02:03] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it would but it's a potential security risk (you should know what it's actually running)
[02:03] <Riddell> _StefanS_: but sure, it's not very user friendly
[02:03] <kwwii> there is not a major difference, no
[02:03] <Riddell> well, I'm not convinced, but if you say so
[02:04] <Riddell> kwwii: have you asked tfheen if it's ok to upload?
[02:05] <kwwii> Riddell: no, but today is my deadline, so it should still be ok, I think
[02:05] <kwwii> there are lots of other changes going in ubuntu atm
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well yes, I see your point .. but I think it would be easier to trace from the description to the actual command, rather than the other way around. The kmenu can be used to easily identify what command lies beneath
[02:05] <kwwii> Riddell: should I ask him?
[02:06] <Riddell> kwwii: notify him at least :)
[02:06] <kwwii> ok
[02:09] <praetor_> too late for a patch to kmail to make mail export a little friendlier?
[02:09] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, everything is cool...but Seveas will have a change for the usplash as well, so he'll upload a branch soon
[02:15] <_StefanS_> hehe adept just crashed again on applying the latest updates since yesterday
[02:17] <Jucato> konqueror has been crashy for me since yesterday
[02:19] <kwwii> hehe, Seveas has a patch... Riddell, can you apply this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10476/
[02:19] <manchicken> These will run kubuntu nicely: http://www.commodoregaming.com
[02:22] <Riddell> kwwii: it fails to apply
[02:23] <Riddell> manchicken: "Preloaded with Windows Premium" :(
[02:25] <Riddell> vprints: your koepte problem seems to be a problem for all language packs
[02:27] <kwwii> restarting X,brb
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like quite hard to patch :) the all lphoto is coded against python 2.3
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the problem?  changes in pyqt?
[02:29] <Tonio_> i think so
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the issue I get when launching it : argument 2 of QPushButton() has an invalid type
[02:30] <Tonio_> works with the current package but with lots of issues
[02:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what I get when using the latest tarball
[02:30] <vprints> ok
[02:31] <kwwii> ahhhh.....noooo!
[02:31] <kwwii> Riddell: wait, I messed something up...the dialog pic for kdm and the ksplash
[02:31] <Riddell> vprints: can you point me to a page in rosetta where the translations for kopete are?
[02:31] <vprints> sure
[02:31] <vprints> are you in beta?
[02:32] <Riddell> vprints: yes
[02:33] <vprints> https://beta.launchpad.net/kopete/+translations
[02:34] <Riddell> vprints: aah, it's getting confused because the source package changed from kopete to kdenetwork
[02:35] <vprints> ok :)
[02:35] <Riddell> carlos
[02:36] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/
[02:36] <nixternal> kubuntu_93_* is the new one
[02:38] <vprints> should i report it ?
[02:47] <Riddell> vprints: report a bug on rosetta I guess, carlos doesn't seem to be around
[02:50] <Riddell> kwwii: going to commit the fix then?
[02:50] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I just commited again
[02:50] <kwwii> hehe
[02:51] <kwwii> whew...glad I noticed that one
[02:51] <Riddell> causing my commit to conflict, life is so cruel!
[02:51] <kwwii> lol
[02:52] <Riddell> ok, uploading to ubuntu again
[02:52] <kwwii> great, thanks :-)
[02:55] <vprints> Riddell, coul you confirm https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/92518
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92518 in rosetta "Kopete translations are not used, because source package has changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:56] <Riddell> vprints: done, thanks
[02:57] <vprints> thankyou
[03:00] <vprints> btw, is there any difference for the bug-tracking system, when the reporter confirms the bug?
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya
[03:03] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:03] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:07] <Riddell> vprints: no
[03:07] <vprints> k
[03:08] <vprints> then i can do it myself next time :P
[03:08] <Riddell> vprints: that's bad practice
[03:09] <vprints> i understand, that's why i asked
[03:10] <vprints> anybody here deals with bluetooth mice ?
[03:10] <abattoir> Riddell: do you know if Qt 4 chooses it's style based on which DE it is run under?
[03:11] <Riddell> abattoir: it may well do
[03:11] <abattoir> Riddell: because under plain X, it uses motif, and under kde, plastique...
[03:12] <Jucato> plastique? is that the Qt plastik?
[03:12] <Riddell> yes
[03:12] <sebas> Apparently, it uses qtrc for the style, the DE might set some env var to change its location.
[03:13] <Jucato> aaah
[03:16] <Riddell> I have heard that it changes style with the desktop using some magic detection mechanism
[03:16] <Riddell> possibly window manager
[03:16] <abattoir> Riddell: but i invoked it using kwin, but the style was motif
[03:16] <abattoir> *using kwin as the wm
[03:18] <Riddell> possibly not then
[03:18] <abattoir> :)
[03:20] <abattoir> hmm, speedcrunch under gnome still seems to use plastique
[03:21] <Riddell> it should have the qt clearlooks theme
[03:25] <seele> are there any known problems with camera://?
[03:25] <seele> i have two cannon powershots which wont mount in herd 5
[03:41] <Lure> seele: it might be bug 91250 - try workaround mentioned there
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91250 in libgphoto2 "[edgy-backports]  Error in libgphoto2 udev rules" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91250
[03:42] <Lure> seele: are you on feisty or edgy?
[03:43] <seele> feisty
[03:43] <seele> it works in edgy
[03:43] <seele> (just submitted a bug.. didnt see 91250)
[03:43] <Lure> seele: I did not try my powershot with feisty yet, but 400d works
[03:44] <seele> hmm.. ok
[03:44] <seele> i tried 2, a S400 and SD700
[03:44] <Lure> seele: however, feisty file looks ok to me, so I am not sure this is the right track... :-(
[03:45] <vprints> is there any specific reason, why debian's bluetooth commands won't work in feisty?
[03:45] <vprints> and edgy
[03:46] <Lure> seele: can you run "/usr/share/apps/digikam/utils/digikam-camera detect"
[03:46] <Riddell> vprints: not specifically, but I'm not able to test bluetooth since I don't have any hardware for it
[03:46] <vprints> if i give you an overview, could you give me your opinion?
[03:47] <abattoir> vprints: i can test with my phone, if that'd be of help
[03:47] <abattoir> vprints: what type of commands?
[03:48] <vprints> mabe the correct word would be parameter
[03:48] <vprints> anyway
[03:48] <vprints> hidd commands
[03:49] <vprints> to make it hook the mouse up automatically every boot
[03:50] <abattoir> !bluetooth | vprints
[03:50] <ubotu> vprints: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:50] <abattoir> vprints: seen that?
[03:50] <vprints> :)
[03:50] <vprints> yep
[03:50] <abattoir> HIDD_ENABLED doesn't work?
[03:51] <vprints> mkmm
[03:51] <vprints> HIDD_ENABLED=1
[03:51] <vprints> HIDD_OPTIONS="--connect 00:07:61:63:B6:A1 --server"
[03:51] <vprints> i have
[03:51] <vprints> they work flawlessly in debian testing
[03:52] <vprints> but neither that nor anything from the net has worked for edgy or feisty
[03:52] <vprints> i started with it in december
[03:53] <vprints> took me week to find out it just dosent work in ubuntu :(
[03:53] <vprints> so i put the machine on debian
[03:54] <vprints> could we make it somewhat easier to set up a bluetooth mouse somehow?
[03:54] <abattoir> bug 84541
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84541 in bluez-utils "[feisty]  bluetooth mouse doesn't connect automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84541
[03:56] <manchicken> Riddell: You can always get your windows tax refund and then install kubuntu.
[03:58] <Jucato> hi manchicken! :)
[03:58] <vprints> sorry about that, did'nt check before
[03:59] <vprints> is here someone who deals with bluetooth?
[03:59] <Jucato> manchicken: btw... adept ideas for the next release... do you think it makes sense to be able to access the Software Properties app(let) from adept_installer?
[04:01] <manchicken> If it's available, then sure.
[04:01] <Jucato> it's available in adept_manager :)
[04:01] <Jucato> (feisty)
[04:03] <manchicken> Then it sounds like a good idea to make it accessible.
[04:03] <manchicken> Even though it's a dirty little python script ;)
[04:03] <manchicken> heh
[04:03] <manchicken> No, I'm not biased against python.
[04:04] <Jucato> hehe I don't know python enough to be biased for or against it...
[04:04] <Jucato> but that Kubuntu has a romantic attachment to python kinda seals that fate :)
[04:07] <manchicken> At least it's not Ruby... ;)
[06:05] <steveire> Is it possible to install language-pack-en without openoffice?
[06:10] <fdoving> can't find a depend on oo.
[06:41] <yuriy> hmm this is interesting from seele's blog: "Kubuntu omits menubar items if the functionality exists on the tool bar  a big no-no."
[06:55] <Tm_T> ?
[06:59] <nixternal> Riddell: I see kdebase built this time. Sorry for the first patch with that
[07:05] <Riddell> nixternal: no problem, thanks for fixing
[07:05] <nixternal> no problem
[07:42] <nixternal> Riddell: are we going to get a new site as well since Ubuntu did?
[07:42] <nixternal> :)
[07:42] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[07:43] <dinosaur-rus> was the kdm art changed in the past?
[07:46] <Riddell> nixternal: so they did
[07:46] <Riddell> nixternal: it was talking about, I'm not sure what the best thing to do with the kubuntu website is
[07:46] <Riddell> s/talking/talked/
[07:47] <mhb> I mean for kubuntu.org
[07:47] <Riddell> me too
[07:48] <xerosis> is the new ubuntu site awfully slow for anyone else?
[07:52] <mhb> yes
[07:52] <mhb> for me and another person I was showing it to, probably some migration issues
[08:18] <yuriy> there's no CoF picture on the new site..
[08:18] <Riddell> CoF?
[08:19] <Daskreech> seele: woot :-)
[08:19] <yuriy> circle of friends. the picture that was always on there
[08:19] <Daskreech> yuriy: CoG?
[08:20] <yuriy> Daskreech: CoG?
[08:20] <Daskreech> Circle of GearHeads?
[08:20] <Riddell> I believe feisty will have new artwork (but along the same lines)
[08:20] <_StefanS_> evenings
[08:21] <yuriy> Daskreech: well, i was talking about the ubuntu site. kubuntu's hasn't changed.. though it would be nice to have a site that didn't look like a wiki page :D
[08:22] <Daskreech> How many people manage it?
[08:22] <Riddell> manage what?
[08:22] <yuriy> is it just Riddell?
[08:22] <Riddell> the kubuntu website is yes
[08:22] <yuriy> IIRC there've been at least 2 people on kubuntu-devel offering to redesign it
[08:23] <Riddell> I still have that in mind
[08:24] <Riddell> I'm not sure how to go about it, but I'll talk to the ubuntu website guy and ask how to move forward
[08:26] <hunger> Can we get a sync of k3b from debian? #23203 is supposed to be fixed there.
[08:31] <_StefanS_> what .deb is kdesu in ?
[08:31] <_StefanS_> kpasswd ?
[08:32] <hunger> _StefanS_: dpkg -S kdesu
[08:33] <_StefanS_> thanks
[08:33] <hunger> _StefanS_: kdebase-bin.
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92595 in ubuntu-artwork "kubuntu default look'n feel should be better" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92595
[08:36] <hunger> mhb: Nope.
[08:37] <mhb> incidentally I have played with KDE panels a few days ago and tried to reproduce the GNOME panel distribution, which is fairly easy
[08:38] <Daskreech> mhb: I think it's pretty hard to find a OS interface KDE can't replicate
[08:38] <Daskreech>  maybe dos....
[08:38] <mhb> hunger: nope as in "I don't like it" or "people don't like it" ?
[08:38] <mhb> Daskreech: true
[08:39] <hunger> mhb: I don't like it.
[08:39] <Daskreech> We should have a ctrl+Shift+F for Konsole
[08:39] <hunger> Daskreech: Why that keycombo?
[08:39] <Daskreech> I wonder if 100% Width and height for Yakuake counts
[08:39] <Daskreech> hunger: Seems to be the default KDE shortcut for Full screen
[08:39] <Daskreech> Like Ctrl+L is the default for * all
[08:44] <hunger> mhb: It is easy enough to change the panels to gnome style. Why give up the character of KDE?
[08:44] <hunger> mhb: If people prefer the gnome panels, then most of those will use gnome (maybe with kde apps).
[08:46] <Daskreech> Or easy. put in a package that makes the switch. kubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:46] <mhb> hunger: no, that's not what I mean :o)
[08:46] <mhb> or what I have in mind
[08:47] <hunger> mhb: What do you have in mind?
[08:47] <mhb> maybe I'll code a simple configuration tool that enables the user to change it quickly
[08:47] <mhb> I don't want to change the default
[08:48] <hunger> mhb: You could make me really happy if you could make those MDI "buttons" in kdevelop and other apps to look more tab-like.
[08:48] <mhb> I just noted that I thought about it and at the same time somebody filed a bug wanting a similar feature...
[08:49] <mhb> hunger: sound more of an upstream issue
[09:00] <yuriy> mhb: that screenshot = yuck :D
[09:02] <mhb> yuriy: that's not the point :o)
[09:02] <mhb> yuriy: that bug gets rejected ASAP, I think
[09:03] <yuriy> funny how people complain about useless space on applications' menu bars but like that panel at the top in gnome
[09:19] <firephoto> heh
[09:25] <yuriy> mhb: d'you reject it?
[09:43] <mhb> yuriy: not me, but I believe it should be rejected (I don't feel like I'm the authority that has the right to reject anything :o)
[09:45] <Daskreech> yuriy: Is there a canonical statement that says the websites have to keep in step?
[09:46] <yuriy> Daskreech: hmm? i don't think so but i wouldn't know. and i'm not really sure what you mean
[09:47] <Daskreech> Well The new Ubuntu site looks spiffy. I was wondering since kubuntu is "officialy" ubuntu do we need to have a spiffy new site as well?
[09:48] <yuriy> Daskreech: we need one :D but not for any reason like that
[09:48] <Daskreech> Kool . What do we need one for? Pride? :-)
[09:48] <yuriy> ubuntu's site was spiffy already
[09:48] <yuriy> Daskreech: sure :D
[09:48] <mhb> as Riddell stated, there were some discussions about the website design around Edgy release, AFAIK
[09:49] <Daskreech> yuriy: yeah.. but now it' NEW and spiffy :)
[09:49] <mhb> unfortunately no decision has been made
[09:49] <yuriy> i think really for marketability though
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to get lphoto to work, the hole code looks obsolete....
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I workarrounded the errors, but after each one comes another....
[09:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: humbug
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: which means ? ;-)
[09:50] <Riddell> bof!
[09:50] <yuriy> because the kubuntu homepage isn't exactly suited for someone just finding out about kubuntu
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also noticed an issue with python-imaging-sane, which latest lphoto depends on
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: causes program to fail to load too...
[09:52] <mhb> Riddell: who's the kubuntu page maintainer? you are?
[09:53] <Riddell> mhb: I am
[09:53] <mhb> Riddell: is the page built on drupal or any other CMS?
[09:53] <Riddell> mhb: the current page is static HTML with PHP for headers and footers
[09:53] <mhb> Riddell: the new Ubuntu one is based on Drupal, according to a recent mail I've read
[09:53] <Riddell> the new ubuntu site is drupal
[09:53] <Riddell> yes
[09:54] <yuriy> i hate how kde bugzilla filters out 3 letter words
[09:54] <mhb> Riddell: if we moved to Drupal it would be easier for people to design new styles, I guess
[09:54] <Riddell> yep
[09:55] <Riddell> I need to talk to the ubuntu guy and ask how to get something set up that people can play with
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've compiled the regular fade into kdesu, however it doesn't show yet, and I'm kinda bogged with work :(
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Sure hope I can make it atleast show something so you can commit it .. (is it already too late?)
[10:12] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it's too late for beta
[10:12] <Riddell> it might get in after that though
[10:12] <_StefanS_> argh
[10:12] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[10:13] <_StefanS_> but that would be on a special appeal sort of thing I guess
[10:34] <Riddell> yuriy, mhb: know who this is?  http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/03/12/how-to-give-a-hand-in-helping-make-kubuntu-feisty-a-stable-release/
[10:36] <Riddell> freeflying_: can you report your 3.3.8 problems to http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker
[10:42] <yuriy> Riddell: i saw that, but i don't know who that is
[10:43] <yuriy> i got to it from Jucato's blog post
[10:53] <mhb> Riddell: I also don't know him
[10:54] <mhb> http://a.wordpress.com/avatar/tuxicity-48.jpg but it's hard to google with images .o)
[10:59] <Riddell> don't recognise him :)
[11:24] <toma> Riddell: konqi in 3.5.6 is scrolling to top before loading the new page when you click on a link, is that kubuntu behaviour? have you seen it? is it upstream?
[11:24] <Riddell> toma: it's an upstream bug
[11:24] <Riddell> toma: there was a fix in svn but it got reverted
[11:25] <Riddell> I'm not sure if there's been anything since
[11:25] <toma> oki
[11:33] <GNUro> 'lo!
[11:35] <Tm_T> hmm, tor...
[11:38] <GNUro> !tor
[11:38] <ubotu> tor: anonymizing overlay network for TCP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1.23-1 (edgy), package size 763 kB, installed size 1556 kB
[11:41] <Tm_T> !proxy
[11:41] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[11:41] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[11:41] <Tm_T> ah, that was it
[12:09] <Riddell> yuriy: this bug triage thing is really filling up my inbox :)