[12:28] Prognatus, looking at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu there are quite a few "blueprints" proposed that really should be bug reports [12:28] so merely moving all Wishlist bug reports to Blueprints wouldn't entirely fix the problem === mdke [n=matt@212-139-78-17.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad [12:29] e.g. , , [12:34] mpt: Ok [12:44] spiv, bug 6283, nag, nag [12:44] Malone bug 6283 in launchpad "Disabling the account thru Wiki causes more harm than good. That option should be nuked." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6283 - Assigned to Andrew Bennetts (spiv) === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === PCGenie [i=PCge@as3-dial121.olivant.fo] has joined #Launchpad [01:07] Hi there... [01:07] Who do i contact if i would like to translate ubuntu into my own language? [01:08] PCGenie: which language? [01:08] Faroese [01:08] Could be interesting ;) [01:08] PCGenie: isn't there a team for that language yet? [01:09] I actually don't really know [01:12] I have been using Ubuntu linux on my new desktop for a couple of months and i am really interested in contributing === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad [01:17] PCGenie, one moment [01:21] PCGenie, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/fo [01:21] if you want to get started right away [01:21] Yup ;) ... i will try to get other people with me to... [01:23] I can't tell whether there's an official translation team for Faroese [01:23] carlos or danilos will be able to help you with that. === mpt is annoyed that he can't tell [01:24] how do i see the queue for a distrorelease? [01:25] Faroe Islands aren't so big.. Microsoft is dominating here ;( - I think Ubuntu is much more social and it fits to me. === PCGenie will investigate how to connect to the internet with a modem with Ubuntu [01:28] There are at least two Faroese translators [01:28] PCGenie: you're not alone :D === merriam [n=merriam@84-12-154-117.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:00] New bug: #92404 in malone "Every bug comment has its own entry in Google" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92404 === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [02:05] ddaa: hello [02:07] sabdfl: what do you mean queue for distrorelease? do you mean pending builds ? [02:07] jml: hey [02:08] hello ddaa, sabdfl [02:09] lifeless: no, i meant new uploads === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@68.33.112.13] has joined #launchpad [02:30] Questions [02:30] 1) Are bounties coming back [02:30] 2) Are you going to have fund-bounties, i.e. I can contribute $50 and he can contribute $100 and someone in Europe can throw in 30euro and Paypal can convert it all to [02:31] 3) Multiple-person bounties and per-unit-work bounties, like if there's a major spec everyone who contributes N unit of work (decided on by a committee of independent developers of said project) gets a divy of the bounty, first-come first-serve === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [02:50] well, since nobody is replying... [02:51] bluefoxicy: I do not believe that any firm decision has been taken regarding bounties [02:51] they are a complicated problem, technically, socially, and legally [02:51] ddaa: nods. Was gonna throw some stuff at them earlier to see if I could get some cash; now I'm thinking the other way. [02:52] jamesh: ping [02:52] hehe, we could have a philosophical discussion on that I'm sure [02:52] I'd like that, but I do not really know what I'm talking about, and I'm quite busy. [02:52] (although, strictly speaking, in the US you can make it someone's responsibility to file the money on their taxes; I get paid by LWN once in a while, no W2s) [02:52] nods, I wasn't serious :P [02:53] (although I do know someone who pays for college selling exploits.. I calculated at one time that the library he's got stocked up was worth about 3.8 million dollars o_o) [02:54] anyway, out. === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@68.33.112.13] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] [02:55] selling sploits a good business I guess [02:56] the kiddies might get caught using them, but they'd rather take credit instead of admitting they just paid for them... [03:01] ddaa: I guess it depends on the price of being caught. === piedoggie [n=chatzill@69.74.35.178] has joined #launchpad [03:01] the thing is I really believe that the kind of people to buy this stuff would not admit to it [03:02] and also, I'm not even sure selling sploits is illegal... though with the current crazy US laws, I would not be so sure... [03:02] after all, it's very much educational material [03:04] they might call it "a device to break into a locked property" and apply organized crime laws, or something insane like this === ddaa thinks his test suite deadlocked... [03:07] what are the advantages and disadvantages of using launch pad to host a project's bzr repository === piedoggie think he asks too many scary questions [03:09] advantage: free, unlimited space, backups, better launchpad integration [03:10] I just filed a bug on feisty and it was really easy [03:10] makes it easy to give write access to other people [03:10] very impressive [03:10] disadvantage: creating new branches is still slow (need to upload all the branch contents) [03:11] also, if launchpad goes down for some reason, it will take some work for people to upload their branches again to another place [03:11] that's all [03:11] in other words, the only reason to stick with your own hosting is if you are a control freak. [03:12] pretty much [03:12] unless your project is big and you find the upload time for new branches too painful [03:12] I must admit I am a control freak and that I run my own mail server and mailing lists and web hosting just because I've been burned too many times by others. [03:12] (but then we'll fix that, too) [03:13] But I've also been burned by source Forge and savanna [03:13] so I'm a little bit cautious trusting another "free" site [03:13] the difference is that with bzr, you normally have a copy of your branches locally [03:13] exactly [03:13] unless you go out of your way, so you're not being locked down [03:14] I have my official branch out on launchpad, my private working branch that I control backups of on one server here, and then as many copies I need on internal machines [03:14] makes synchronization a bit of a pain but I can cope [03:14] the big disadvantage of setting up a mirror branch instead of a hosted branch [03:14] is that launchpad needs to poll the remote branch [03:14] and there's no easy way yet to ask it to poll NOW. [03:15] actually there is [03:15] hu... [03:15] tell me... [03:15] you treat launchpad as your primary source so you pull and push from the primary image [03:15] ddaa: what are you doing up? [03:15] your authoritative local copy is a branch of the launchpad image [03:15] right, in this case it's a hosted branch as far as launchpad is concerned [03:16] matter of perspective [03:16] thumper: fucked up my biorythms again [03:16] you use the local copy as the primary source for everyone else in your workgroup [03:16] got work to do [03:16] thanks ddaa [03:16] piedoggie, don't do that [03:16] why not? [03:17] well, it's ok if all the other users are local to you [03:17] but what if they're not? [03:17] if you want the authoritive copy elsewhere, use a mirrored branch [03:17] But then don't we have a polling issue? [03:17] thumper: I do not see the problem with doing it as he says [03:17] ddaa: as I said, if everyone is local, then its fine [03:17] Sorry, didn't mean to be controversial [03:18] piedoggie, don't worry, me and ddaa often have controversial chats === ddaa probably does not understand really well what piedoggie setup is [03:18] he's a fucking kiwi-lime and I'm fucking froggy [03:19] ddaa: lack of sleep is inteferring with your language [03:19] not lacking sleep, woke up at 2pm [03:19] I was proposing two levels of star networks style feeds [03:19] it's entertaining, though [03:19] one hour earlier than yesterday [03:19] ddaa, you sound like Miss Piggy (for a rude analogy) [03:20] here's an idea ddaa, set the alarm for 10am and go to bed now [03:20] that'll sort you out [03:20] otherwise you might miss the lp meeting [03:20] *and* sit in a really bright sunlight first thing in the morning [03:20] treat your sleep pattern as jet lag [03:20] trying to find bright sunlight here could be a slight problem [03:21] I spend too much time on IRC [03:21] working in the bunker again? [03:21] ddaa: *no*... [03:21] people get the idea that I have the time to sit in bright sunlight... [03:21] A window will do [03:21] ddaa: and the normal term is kiwifruit not a kiwi-lime [03:22] as will very bright full spectrum light bulbs [03:22] pah, you spent 8 years in London [03:22] you've some some lime now [03:22] or if you listen to the marketing, zespri [03:22] ddaa: so what's a whole lime? [03:23] someone who's born in UK? [03:23] really? [03:23] odd, we just called them poms [03:23] thumper: call SteveA "limey", he'll answer you [03:23] the only Kiwi I now is someone who lived around the world and goes by the name of warthog [03:24] not *gasp* "the warthog" [03:24] not sure. He used to do web design [03:24] no really, I have no idea who you're talking about [03:25] that's okay. So it won't mean anything when I tell you he has two children and to commemorate the birth of his second child, I wrote a story about her [03:25] piedoggie: "warthog" is folk slang for "Canonical employee"... [03:25] that's an origins tale... === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [03:27] have you ever looked up the definition of canonical? I would say as an adjective, two of them fit [03:28] 2 : conforming to a general rule or acceptable procedure [03:28] 4 : reduced to the canonical form [03:29] Right? [03:29] yes. [03:29] Did not realize about the first one before. [03:29] I thought it was only about the second one, and the various ways it's overused in techno jargon [03:30] Although, I like to think This one works as well: conforming to orthodox or recognized rules; "the drinking of [03:30] cocktails was as canonical a rite as the mixing"- Sinclair [03:30] Lewis [syn: canonic, sanctioned] [03:31] and as much as we love to ping on marketing folks are having buzzwords that are overused into zero content, we are no better [03:31] ddaa: which dictionary are you looking at? [03:31] http://dict.die.net/canonical/ [03:32] now here's the problem I would love to see someone solve but I haven't quite figured out how to do it either. [03:33] jml: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/canonical [03:33] I lose keys. It doesn't matter how many times it back them up, I forget passphrases, lose copies, find old ones when I'v switch to the new one. It just is not fun [03:33] when you want keys to work in a matrix of machines, the problem gets worse [03:34] I would love to have some sort of authentication system that could query a two factor ID system on my laptop (token plus passphrase, a single passphrase) and decide whether to permit me entrance to a system [03:35] piedoggie: I think you are being wildly offtopic [03:35] because without something like this, I am destined to re-create and redistribute keys on a quarterly basis. I can no longer have a PGP key because all of my e-mail addresses are registered on the key servers [03:35] maybe I am but here's why it's appropriate [03:35] keys are used to access launch pad [03:36] accessing launchpad for multiple machines means you have to have the same private key distributed over multiple machines [03:36] hu? [03:36] let's say you have five machines [03:36] you mean for bugmail that needs gpg-signed emails? [03:36] all accessing launchpad for our repository [03:37] I'm not even sure it requires that... [03:37] that's what the instructions told me [03:37] for branches you only need ssh keys [03:37] right [03:37] but for every machine you wish to access launch pad from, you have to have the same private key or replicate the registration process for every machine [03:37] the solution some people use is to carry their key on a usb dongle [03:38] and never copy it on the hard drive [03:38] that works in some circumstances [03:38] I should warn you I've lost dongles and their content (not necessarily at the same time) [03:38] yes, I'm a walking disaster zone. I have broken more products than I care to think about. :-) [03:39] I have made product managers cry [03:39] the USB drive works fine if I'm connecting via my laptop. Let's say I'm using to other machines either of which I can gain physical access to [03:40] I don't expect a solution. It's just one of the classic logistics problems when using cryptographic keys for authentication [03:40] you can probably use a signing agent in those cases [03:40] never done it, but it probably exists [03:40] just forward the signing to your local system [03:41] tests passed, back to coding [03:41] across address translation firewalls? ssh-agent works really well but not across security perimeters [03:41] I'll take this question to the openssh folks and see what they have to say. It's an interesting problem [03:42] thank you again for your help [03:42] with the decision on launch pad === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.6.131] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad [04:00] New bug: #86248 in loggerhead "Loggerhead cannot view any commit that had a binary file in it (dup-of: 91686)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86248 === jml -> lunchpad [04:08] piedoggie: ssh -A [04:09] yes. I know about agent [04:09] thats agent forwarding, not just agent [04:09] it solves 'Let's say I'm using to other machines either of which I can gain physical access to' [04:09] if you need to access your machine a, b, and c is [04:09] sorry, speech recognition errors [04:09] I knew about agent forwarding. I use it all the time [04:10] jamesh: ping [04:10] lifeless: pong [04:10] it's but if you that three machines all independent from one another, how do you manage keys? [04:10] jamesh: can you please please please please rollout the pending reviews patch today ? [04:10] uptake is up with the openssh folks and report back [04:11] piedoggie: I dont see independence mattering, but I may just not understand [04:11] that's okay. I'll try to generate a better description of the problem for when I report back [04:11] jamesh: also, how is marks branch coming along? [04:12] jamesh: I'm pinging you about that as we agreed on Monday [04:26] lifeless: okay. new pending-reviews code rolled out. I haven't finished Mark's branch yet. [04:27] jamesh: Thanks!. How far through do you think you are ? [04:31] back in an hour [04:31] lifeless: about a third of the way [04:33] spiv: dont forget - two reviews to do today! [04:33] jamesh: ok, keep at it! === popey [n=alan@bishop.popey.com] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === oojah [n=roger@cpc1-nott6-0-0-cust436.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@84-12-154-117.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [05:30] New bug: #92435 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse search returns "500 Internal error"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92435 === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === xenru [n=xenru@213.179.252.114] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [06:50] kiko: you around? === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [06:52] LaserJock: wrong time for kiko, late in his evening [06:52] lifeless: yeah, I'm roughly the same TZ, but usually he's kiko-zzz or something when he's asleep [06:53] k === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #launchpad === jameinel [n=John_A@adsl-75-51-62-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === jameinel is now known as jam [07:40] New bug: #92443 in launchpad "Clicking "Choose..." doesn't do anything in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92443 === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4407c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@59.167.203.115] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus__ [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [08:17] kiko, hi === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [08:41] thumper: Is the only reason Branch.visibility exists for performance? If so, you are prematurely optimizing [08:43] And I'd rather not have it denormalized unless we can demonstrate it is actually a problem === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [08:45] morning === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [08:51] stub: it makes the queries much more simple, and makes branch access checks not look at either the product or project [08:52] I'd say code simplicity is a good reason [08:52] simplicity and clarity [08:52] Not for breaking db normalization, and I don't think it will make the code or queries simpler (the one I'm looking at now for you is more complex because of it!) === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [09:21] carlos: hiya! kubuntu-docs is still on the old templates. Is that likely to be fixed soon? There is lots to translate so we want the translators to get going asap [09:21] yeah, I will try to have it done today, I was waiting for the import queue to be cleared a bit more [09:23] I hope that the latest feisty package has all the templates, if not we may have to upload them manually [09:23] ok, I will ping you once I do that so you can check it, but I guess is just a matter of having the list of templates you already gave me, right? === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [09:24] carlos: hope so! And for ubuntu-docs there are still a few templates missing === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [09:26] mdke: right === idontknow [n=idontkno@c58-107-85-3.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus__ [n=mholthau@pub082136114044.dh-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.6.181] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [09:46] New bug: #92456 in malone "Apport should be able to add tags to new bug reports" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92456 === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad [09:53] carlos: I need another favour - can you remove the template "switching" in ubuntu-docs, it's my mistake [09:53] mdke: sure [09:54] mdke: done [09:54] carlos: thanks a lot [09:55] mdke: btw, how's that you didn't upload .po files? [09:55] mdke: are all those templates completely new? [09:57] carlos: yeah. Some of them have old strings from the old "desktopguide" template [09:57] I see [09:57] we kinda split things up into lots of templates [09:58] I know that, but I was expecting more translation reusing [09:58] that's all [09:58] carlos: I don't know how. [09:58] mdke: If it's just a split [09:59] taking old desktopguide's .po files and doing msgmerge with hte new set of .pot files would give you .po files reusing everything that is already translated so translators doesn't need to do that manually based on suggestions in Rosetta [10:00] I guess it's possible to do a script which could do that [10:00] yep [10:01] can you tell me what the exact msgmerge command would be? === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [10:06] gtg to work, will try and grab you later === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad === erdalronahi [n=erdalron@p5b007971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === erdalronahi [n=erdalron@p5b007971.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #launchpad [] === xenru [n=xenru@213.179.252.114] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-94.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === shawn___ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-255-214.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === indraveni [n=indraven@203.129.255.178] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=schwuk@www.schwuk.com] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [10:26] mdke: sorry, my dsl went down [10:27] >carlos< msgmerge old_pofile.po newtemplate.pot -o new_template_pofile.po [10:27] old_pofile.po are the Edgy desktopguide's .po file [10:27] newtemplate.pot is one of the new templates for Feisty [10:27] and new_template_pofile.po will be the output with the list of messages that are reused from Edgy [10:27] mdke: you don't need a new ubuntu-docs upload, give me a tarball with hte same layout you use inside ubuntu-docs and I will import it manually [10:27] same for kubuntu-docs === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-94.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === erdalronah1 [n=erdalron@p5B007971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [11:12] mrevell: https://beta.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-es :-) [11:12] mrevell: thanks! [11:13] pochu: Hey! Did kiko help you out? [11:13] mrevell: yep, and matsubara :) === erdalronah1 [n=erdalron@p5B007971.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #launchpad [] [11:13] pochu: Excellent, my thanks to both of them. [11:14] pochu: Glad it's all sorted. [11:14] yep :) === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [11:26] moin === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.3.192] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@pub082136114044.dh-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@dslb-088-073-087-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@243-232.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4407c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-71.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === carlos_ is now known as carlos === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad [12:09] morning statik [12:09] hi bac! [12:11] doh! [12:12] stupid US time zone change [12:16] LaserJock: What has it done now? [12:16] I got up at 4am local time for the Launchpad meeting [12:17] but I think I'm an hour early [12:17] You are. [12:17] A little unfortunate. [12:18] and I went to bed at 12am :/ [12:18] oh well === CodeDragon [n=none@195.134.12.229] has joined #launchpad === CodeDragon is now known as CodeDragon|Work === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@43pc196.sshunet.nl] has joined #launchpad [12:25] New bug: #92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 [12:27] hi LaserJock [12:27] Launchpad meeting is in about 30 mins [12:27] hi SteveA [12:27] we'll probably have the next meeting a couple of hours later [12:27] yeah, PST -> PDT killed me [12:28] that'd be awesome for me [12:28] as we have a lot more of the launchpad team in westerly timezones now === cprov-out is now known as cprov [12:36] in rocketfuel the top-level makefile specifies PYTHON_VERSION=2.4. feisty only installs 2.5. building LP fails due since it can't find the 2.4 header files. [12:36] is the correct solution to change the makefile to point to 2.5 or to install 2.4? [12:37] bac: I'd like to see you try to run Zope on 2.5. [12:37] (you'll need 2.4) [12:37] ok [12:37] haven't gotten to the running part, just trying to build still. thanks for the heads-up! [12:38] 2.4 it is [12:38] bac: sounds like the launchpad-dependencies package needs updating [12:39] ah, i've got python2.4 but not python2.4-dev === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:42] jamesh: yep, launchpad-dependencies only depends on python-dev. needs to be changed to python2.4-dev [12:42] bac: I'm filing a bug now, and will assign it to Etienne [12:43] thanks! [12:43] That's not still our problem, is it? (ie. it's out of Ubuntu repos?) [12:43] Fujitsu: we have a separate apt repo that has some packages that depend on all the required stuff [12:43] Fujitsu: so it is a Canonical problem rather than an Ubuntu problem [12:44] I know it used to be in multiverse. [12:44] yeah [12:45] didn't really make sense there [12:45] both from the perspective of the intended audience, and the process for rolling out updates [12:46] jamesh: where does one file a bug against launchpad-dependencies? [12:47] bac: against launchpad-development-infrastructure [12:47] thanks === Prognatus [n=btj@127.84-48-229.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [12:47] bac: assign them to Etienne [12:47] ok === ..[topic/#launchpad:matsubara] : Launchpad users and developers | Next user meeting: Wed 14 March 2007, 0900UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 15 Mar 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:50] Launchpad meeting 10 mins === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [12:56] New bug: #92487 in launchpad-development-infrastructure "updates required for launchpad-dependencies package" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92487 === sinzui [n=Curtis@modemcable206.61-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:00] oi [01:00] me [01:00] up to date [01:00] New bug: #92490 in malone "Commment should be comment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92490 [01:00] didn't start work on +translate this week yet [01:00] morning [01:00] kiko: slow down [01:01] DONE: landed popup, fixing bug 42480, cleaning up trees, code reviews [01:01] etc [01:01] Malone bug 42480 in malone "Report a bug about product that doesn't use Malone should include link to product's official bug tracker" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42480 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [01:01] kiko: haha [01:01] kiko: I need some of whatever you are drinking === Hobbsee waves [01:01] here, have some [01:01] hey Hobbsee [01:01] hmm [01:02] Launchpad meeting! [01:02] it probably contains some additive that is only found in the Amazon [01:02] btw, weren't we supposed to change the meeting time? [01:02] Who is here? SteveA said he was probably going to be late [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] ME [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me [01:02] me === barry-away woke in a panic at 5am about utc + dst = ??? :) [01:02] me [01:02] barry-away, utc+dst = utc === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable252.1-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:02] carlos: SteveA said no change for this week === barry-away is now known as barr1 [01:03] oh, I didn't see that part [01:03] me [01:03] have we updated Launchpad's timezone database for the US changes? === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-181-175-196.ctame7014.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:03] me [01:03] me [01:03] jamesh, no! [01:03] kiko: i meant utc + dst =? wtf time am i supposed to wake up for this thing :) [01:03] jamesh: US dst changes have been in there for over a year I believe [01:03] hi [01:03] I' here now [01:03] barr1: sleep gives yo cancer [01:03] me [01:04] me [01:04] sinzui: sleep is a corportists plot [01:04] /nick very special guest [01:04] barr1: daylight saving snuck up on us over here, and started 12 days after being finalised: first time in 15 years [01:04] hey poolie! [01:04] nice bzr packet [01:04] jamesh: I love the WA government. [01:04] thanks kiko [01:04] = Agenda == * Roll call * Agenda * Next meeting * Activity reports * Actions from last meeting * Oops report (Matsubara) * Bug report (mpt) * Bug tags * Production and staging (Stuart) * Launchpad 1.0 status reports * Sysadmin requests ---- * Upgrade bzr and run bzr upgrade on working trees. (SteveA) * Next meeting at 14:00 UTC (SteveA) * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell) * (other it [01:05] mrevell, are you going to mention the war against font sizes? :) [01:05] I have no idea if we are missing people - too many new people (!) [01:05] where's bigjools [01:05] kiko: I was planning to raise it, yes :) [01:05] or tom? [01:05] here :) [01:05] is thumper around? [01:05] We are missing ddaa - anyone from the bzr/lp group? [01:06] bigjools: yay, say ME ;) [01:06] stub, well, poolie's here [01:06] I have an item for other stuff, but I'll be asleep by the time you get to it. The item is, 'admin requests should go to the answer tracker'. I'm seeing a lot of 'please delete my account' requests, and the users are saying the FAQ tells them to contact an admin. Now we have answers, this is wrong. [01:06] jml? [01:06] thumper CC'd me on his 3 sentances [01:06] if ddaa doesn't make it [01:06] lifeless, afaik I get a lot of tracker items for me [01:06] to clean up stuff [01:06] Next meeting: Still underdiscussion by SteveA I believe, so stay tuned. [01:07] stub: i'll act in the role of bzr/lp contact [01:07] kiko: I've had 4 emails in the last 3 work days [01:07] stub: there is an agenda item about the next meeting [01:07] youre popular [01:07] kiko: or is that 3 in 5, something like that. [01:07] kiko: in deed. [01:07] Activity reports: Who is cool, who isn't? [01:07] 1400 UTC next thursday [01:07] me cool [01:07] me cool [01:07] stub: I'm slack and will catch up after meeting. [01:07] me cool [01:07] me cool [01:07] me cool [01:07] I'm behind, will catch up after the meeting [01:07] I'm behind [01:07] cool [01:07] kiko: anyhow, I think the FAQ needs updating, because emailing lp admins direct is *not* the right ting to tell people to do. [01:07] up to date [01:08] ciao, gnight. 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