[12:17] <bodhi_zazen> etchian_ you are welcome to come on over any time :)
[12:29] <mdke> nixternal: not sure about the firefox page. For everything else, you just wait
[12:41] <etchian_> Tx, bodhi_zazen
[12:41] <bodhi_zazen> LOL, I should be thanking you for bringing that wiki page to my attention :)
[12:43] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[12:43] <LaserJock> are you really up? it's gotta be really late or really early
[12:44] <etchian_> Well, I was reading the wiki...
[01:10] <mdke> LaserJock: going to bed now
[01:11] <LaserJock> mdke: do you still need a list of Edubuntu topics for yelp?
[01:11] <mdke> LaserJock: yep please, with scrollkeeper ids if possible
[01:12] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, I'll get that cleared up and email you
[01:12] <mdke> thanks
[01:12] <mdke> I thought there would just be one
[01:12] <mdke> how many are there?
[01:14] <LaserJock> well, About Edubuntu and the Edubuntu Handbook for sure
[01:14] <LaserJock> we also have a short sort of advocacy/marketing type doc in the repo
[01:15] <LaserJock> as well as Release Notes which we are going to remove
[01:15] <LaserJock> the advocacy doc would be similar to the About Edubuntu I suppose
[01:15] <mdke> we haven't got about ubuntu in the list for Ubuntu, on the basis that it isn't Help
[01:15] <mdke> you could maybe think about something similar, just have it in the menu...
[01:15] <mdke> anyhow, shoot me an email
[01:15] <LaserJock> in the gnome menu?
[01:16] <mdke> yes
[01:16] <LaserJock> ahh, not sure how hard that'd be
[01:16] <LaserJock> I'll ask ogra and get back to you
[01:16] <mdke> I assumed it was there already
[01:16] <LaserJock> no
[01:16] <mdke> ok
[01:16] <LaserJock> so far Edubuntu menus and help have been entirely Ubuntu
[01:16] <mdke> I'll wait for your email, no immediate rush anyhow, it's not a string break
[01:16] <mdke> good night
[01:16] <LaserJock> this is the first release that'll have any sort of Edubuntu branding for docs
[01:16] <LaserJock> cya
[01:55] <jjesse> wow trying to move from one laptop to another is a pain, especially when you have 5 virtual machines :)
[01:56] <LaserJock> lol
[01:56] <jjesse> seriously don't know what i'm going to do :)
[01:57] <jjesse> 4 hours left on my transfer
[01:57] <jjesse> but i love the resolution
[01:57] <jjesse> !beryl
[01:57] <jjesse> doh wrong one
[01:58] <jjesse> nixternal: ping
[01:58] <jjesse> nixternal: you are doing 3d right?
[02:32] <jjesse> ok got beryl to work on my laptop, it looks great
[09:24] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r3980 / (19 files in 19 dirs): updating pot templates, some new strings
[09:26] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r3981 /debian/changelog: changelog entry
[09:41] <mdke> crap, ubuntu/windows/C/windows.xml isn't working very well
[09:42] <mdke> mpt: about that. At the moment we've simply imported wholesale a few of the chapters from the "Switching from Windows" guide, but it isn't working
[09:42] <mdke> mpt: for a start, the chapter on migrating cross refers heavily to the chapter on "preparing", which we've omitted
[09:42] <mdke> mpt: your ideas about how to solve that are appreciated!!! :)
[09:42] <mdke> and anyone else's too
[09:54] <mpt> mdke, has anyone translated it yet?
[09:56] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke feisty * r3982 / (4 files in 4 dirs):
[09:56] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: * fixing invalidity in administrative.xml - string freeze
[09:56] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: exception, sorry but it's unavoidable
[09:56] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: * removing pot template for switching to windows - this is not to be
[09:56] <CIA-10> Ubuntu Documentation: translated
[09:56] <mdke> mpt: no
[09:56] <mpt> mdke, so are there any administrative problems with breaking string freeze in that case?
[09:57] <mdke> mpt: no, it's bad enough that if we do it quickly it should be no problem
[09:57] <mdke> what are you thinking?
[09:57] <mpt> altering it to remove the references
[09:58] <mdke> I was thinking that the "preparing" and "migrating" chapters are kinda interdependent
[09:58] <mdke> not sure that one can sit ok without the other
[10:00] <mdke> maybe we should include the preparing chapter, after all people who've installed a dual boot system can go back to windows and do that stuff
[10:00] <mpt> oh, "and have followed the instructions in the chapter"
[10:00] <mpt> ___ chapter
[10:00] <mpt> hrmmm
[10:01] <mpt> I see
[10:01] <mpt> mdke, I concur
[10:01] <mpt> Including the chapter would be better
[10:02] <mdke> ok, we'll do that
[10:04] <mdke> i'll raise it on the ML
[10:04] <mdke> thanks mpt
[10:05] <mdke> --> work
[12:22] <philbull> Hi guys
[12:23] <philbull> Could someone take a look at bug 92227 for me please?
[12:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92227 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong url for Scribus in ubuntu-docs/office for Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92227
[02:13] <CIA-5> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull feisty * r3983 /ubuntu/office/C/office.xml: Correct url for scribus (closes bug #92227)
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92227 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong url for Scribus in ubuntu-docs/office for Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92227
[02:16] <CIA-5> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3984 ubuntu/office/C/office.xml: Fix url for Scribus
[03:01] <nixternal> mdke: I was wondering what the manual uploads/fixes we had to do for docs were? Also how do I go about getting the firefox-startpage (kindex.html) translated for Kubuntu?
[05:04] <Knightlust> nixternal: yeah, im here, its pretty minor, its just that i dont think it's only Kubuntu who has it. i think all the other distro has it and accdg. to the copyright, it was last updated 2002 and we just need to add a feature
[05:04] <Knightlust> well, will be documenting this and i'll pm you before i send my draft.
[05:05] <Knightlust> or do i file this as bug?
[05:18] <nixternal> what doc are we talking about?
[05:18] <Knightlust> nixternal, the kooka doc
[05:19] <nixternal> have you checked websvn.kde.org to see if the kooka doc is the same there as it is in Kubuntu?
[05:19] <nixternal> actually, Knightlust this would 99.9% of the time be a KDE issue
[05:20] <Knightlust> that's what i thought, that's why i asked in #kde-docs. well, im checking on the process
[05:20] <Knightlust> and thanks for your help nixternal
[05:22] <nixternal> Knightlust: no problem. just to note, this issue hasn't been reported in bugs.kde.org so you would be fine adding that as a bug, and then note in it that you are working on it
[05:54] <LaserJock> mdke: got a sec?
[06:31] <LaserJock> nixternal: available?
[06:32] <LaserJock> my contentless pings seem to be usless against their /ignore LaserJock :-)
[06:38] <nixternal> LaserJock: in a few. I am leaving class right now
[06:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: what's up?
[07:02] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, I was digging around to figure out what to do with About Edubuntu
[07:02] <nixternal> the newest one I created?
[07:02] <LaserJock> About Ubuntu is done via a .desktop file shipped with gnome-panel-data
[07:03] <LaserJock> so it appears in the System menu
[07:03] <nixternal> create an aboutedubuntu.desktop
[07:03] <LaserJock> I think we could ship an About Edubuntu in edubuntu-docs
[07:03] <LaserJock> and I think it should add to the menu
[07:03] <LaserJock> then the only think we'll add to the yelp frontpage is the Handbook
[07:04] <LaserJock> I'm waiting for my feisty machine at work to dist-upgrade so I can test it out
[07:04] <nixternal> cool
[07:05] <nixternal> where at in the repos is the about ubuntu .desktop?
[07:07] <dsas> gnome-panel-data
[07:27] <nixternal> mdke: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/820   <- needs editing and posting ASAP - HUGE STORY!
[07:27] <LaserJock> nixternal: oh?
[07:28] <nixternal> Ubuntu is now in a system that helps with the treatment of HIV+
[07:28] <nixternal> w/o a doubt the most "Ubuntu" type story I have seen to date. Definitely doing good!
[07:29] <nixternal> I can't send email to the list either from school as they jammed all of the ports
[07:29] <LaserJock> I could dig up some good chemistry ones ;-)
[07:29] <nixternal> heh
[07:29] <LaserJock> not sure if our HIV researchers are using Ubuntu here
[07:29] <nixternal> but helping treat such a horrible disease. that is pretty big
[07:29] <LaserJock> but the big nanomaterials group does quite a bit
[07:29] <nixternal> heh
[07:29] <nixternal> I have no clue wth nanomaterials is, beside small materials ;p
[07:30] <nixternal> sounds like my wallet
[07:30] <LaserJock> the future, that's what they are ;-)
[07:30] <nixternal> OK, that is all you had to say, I know what they are working on then
[07:30] <nixternal> nanotechnology
[07:30] <nixternal> my dad is getting involved with that in the broadcast engineering field right now
[07:31] <LaserJock> it's just a buzz word to get funding :-)
[07:31] <LaserJock> hardly any of the stuff is really "nano"
[07:33] <nixternal> I want to see that OLED screen where they have fit like a 1024x768 resolution in a 1" square
[07:39] <LaserJock> nixternal: I've seen a ship where they put 10,000 miniture diving boards in less than 1" sq
[07:39] <nixternal> heh
[07:40] <nixternal> wth
[07:40] <LaserJock> all hooked up to individual electrical leads
[07:41] <LaserJock> science is fun! ;-)
[07:43] <nixternal> midterm time, back in a bit
[08:03] <Knightlust> nixternal, do you know where the kubuntu feisty desktop is located? is it still under development?
[08:03] <LaserJock> Knightlust: how do you mean?
[08:04] <Knightlust> LaserJock, is it online? like the desktop guide found in help.ubuntu.com
[08:04] <LaserJock> sure
[08:05] <Knightlust> the edgy is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html ... so how about the one for feisty?
[08:05] <LaserJock> all the in-progress docs are hosed on doc.ubuntu.com
[08:05] <LaserJock> we only put them on help.ubuntu.com once they have been released
[08:05] <Knightlust> ohh, thanks for answering my question LaserJock. appreciate it
[08:06] <LaserJock> Knightlust: no problem
[09:01] <mdke> nixternal: looking now, presumably too late?
[09:02] <dsas> hmm, ubuntu-docs is solely licensed under cc-by-sa now?
[09:02] <LaserJock> mdke: do you know off hand how the About Ubuntu item gets there?
[09:02] <mdke> dsas: most of it
[09:02] <LaserJock> dsas: well, certain parts are GPL, scripts and stuff
[09:03] <mdke> LaserJock: it's in gnome-panel I guess
[09:03] <dsas> LaserJock: the one in the menus comes from gnome-panel-data
[09:03] <LaserJock> if it only looks for GPL in the copyright it will find GPL
[09:03] <LaserJock> I know *where* it comes from
[09:03] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out how  it gets in the menu
[09:03] <mdke> nixternal: for translations - no need to do any uploads as long as the pot templates are in the package in the archive, I've asked carlos to handle everything else
[09:03] <LaserJock> I'm thinking it's got to be hard coded somewhere
[09:03] <mdke> nixternal: as for firefox, no idea - we do it manually
[09:04] <mdke> LaserJock: ask seb I guess
[09:04] <LaserJock> mdke: that's not my favorite answer, but oh well
[09:05] <mdke> it's the only one I guess
[09:05] <LaserJock> mdke: is relation seriesid="ca0556e4-b4db-11db-866f-a1b2f0a0b745" what you are looking for the yelp frontpage?
[09:05] <mdke> LaserJock: that sort of thing yeah
[09:06] <LaserJock> mdke: what more do you need? we decided the Edubuntu Handbook would be all we'll put in
[09:06] <LaserJock> so that's the seriesid in the .omf
[09:06] <mdke> LaserJock: that's enough then
[09:07] <mdke> can you mail it too, I'm a bit frantic atm
[09:07] <LaserJock> mdke: np, do you need a description too or just name and series id?
[09:07] <mdke> that's fine
[09:07] <LaserJock> k, it'll be too you shortly
[09:08] <mdke> ty
[09:08] <dsas> LaserJock: it's hardcoded in gnome-panel indeed
[09:08] <LaserJock> :(
[09:08] <dsas> it gets copied in the debian/gnome-panel-data.install file
[09:09] <LaserJock> well, yeah
[09:09] <LaserJock> that's where it is installed
[09:09] <LaserJock> I need to figure out how it gets in the menu
[09:09] <LaserJock> I copied the about-ubuntu.desktop to about-edubuntu.desktop and changed the names
[09:09] <LaserJock> left the Categories the same, etc.
[09:09] <LaserJock> but it doesn't seem to show up
[09:10] <dsas> ah, sorry. I completely misunderstood.
[09:10] <LaserJock> np
[09:13] <dsas> LaserJock: ok, i actually found it this time. it's hardcoded in debian/patches/01_layout.patch
[09:13] <LaserJock> in gnome-panel?
[09:13] <dsas> +   if (g_file_test (DATADIR"/omf/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu-C.omf",
[09:13] <dsas> +            G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR))
[09:13] <dsas> +     panel_menu_items_append_from_desktop (menu, "ubuntu-about.desktop", NULL);
[09:13] <dsas> LaserJock: yeah
[09:14] <LaserJock> freaking heck
[09:14] <dsas> I guess you can put a edubuntu one in there looking at that patch...
[09:14] <LaserJock> it makes it so hard on any derivative to hard code everything
[09:14] <dsas> not that I know much about C and less about gnome :)
[09:14] <LaserJock> dsas: no, thanks a ton
[09:14] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure I grepped that but I guess not
[09:15] <dsas> no problem. it gave me an excuse to procastinate.
[09:17] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:17] <LaserJock> glad I could help
[10:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: pingy pingy
[10:21] <nixternal> LaserJock: pongy pongy :)
[10:23] <LaserJock> nixternal: you feel like doing some edubuntu-docs packaging?
[10:23] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:23] <nixternal> I can do that
[10:23] <nixternal> give me a few minutes if possible
[10:24] <LaserJock> well, I just wondered if you wanted to do it
[10:24] <LaserJock> I opened a bug against gnome-panel to get us a menu item
[10:24] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[10:24] <nixternal> sure, I can do it here in a bit
[10:24] <LaserJock> but we need to install a .desktop :-)
[10:24] <nixternal> easy
[10:32] <mdke> LaserJock: what is the handbook omf file called? I can't find it
[10:35] <mdke> ah, I see it now
[10:35] <mdke> LaserJock: the other thing I need to know is where it should go in the list
[10:37] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure
[10:37] <LaserJock> I'd say 1st or right above Advanced Topics
[10:37] <LaserJock> it might be good to have all the Ubuntu content first
[10:37] <mdke> lemme know :)
[10:37] <LaserJock> before they launch into the Handbook
[10:37] <mdke> ah, the new website is out
[10:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: what do you think?
[10:37] <LaserJock> it is? finally
[10:37] <nixternal> I think I am hungry ;p
[10:38] <nixternal> LaserJock: I would say dead last with the handbook since it is a work in progress. However...I would like people to read it and file bugs against it as well
[10:38] <nixternal> so maybe dead last will either keep it out of their view
[10:38] <LaserJock> nixternal: so how about right before Advanced Topics
[10:39] <nixternal> sounds good to me
[10:39] <LaserJock> Advanced Topics is kinda like a "everything else" thing
[10:39] <LaserJock> mdke: right above Advanced Topics it is :-)
[10:39] <mdke> ok
[10:40] <nixternal> that was easy :)
[10:40] <LaserJock> executive decisions
[10:40] <LaserJock> much easier than KDE4 in Universe debate :-)
[10:45] <LaserJock> mdke: is the new website drupal?
[10:46] <mdke> yes
[10:46] <LaserJock> what was it before?
[10:46] <LaserJock> moin?
[10:46] <mdke> yeah
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #92658 in ubuntu-docs (main) "debian/copyright information is incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92658
[10:50] <LaserJock> ?
[10:52] <LaserJock> dsas: pingy pingy
[10:54] <LaserJock> well, it's wrong
[10:54] <LaserJock> as far as I can tell
[10:54] <LaserJock> I need to figure out what version he's looking at
[10:55] <LaserJock> I think everything is consistent and correct unless I overlooked some minor detail :/
[11:15] <dsas> Laser_away: pong!
[11:15] <dsas> version 7.03.2 in the debian/copyright file
[11:16] <dsas> Laser_away: actually. it's me being wrong (again!)
[11:17] <dsas> i was looking at an old svn checkout, rather than the version I apt-get sourced.