[12:22] hei all, are messages like this a problem when building a package under pbuilder? dpkg-gencontrol: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0) [12:22] or is that normal? [12:23] jussi01: these are pretty normal [12:23] thats no big deal [12:23] ah, thanks [12:30] does debian/changelog already close LP bugs? [12:30] or isn't it implemented yet? [12:30] i think the LP part is still missing === matt_good [n=matt@206.106.238.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] ok, ty [12:32] will we get karma if we close a bug via an upload? *g* [12:33] sistpoty, lots of ... but karma is inflational anyway [12:33] :) [12:34] hehe === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] now even more trickier: will I get karma if I sponsor an upload which fixes a bug? :P [12:36] we should make sure to have karma bund to gpg keys then :) [12:37] sistpoty: do sponsoring give karma? [12:37] sistpoty: I know I've gotten karma for packages other sponsored for me.... [12:37] but unsre if that's reciprocal [12:37] jdong: no idea... I don't think so... but I also guess I don't get karma for doing uploads atm [12:37] and we should really make sure that all these karma issues are drafted in the spec :) [12:37] and even more important we should be able to redeem karma for beer :) [12:38] haha [12:39] jdong, where does pbuilder usually put the debs it makes? [12:39] jussi01: /var/cache/pbuilder/results [12:39] jussi01: /var/cache/pbuilder/result [12:39] damn :P [12:39] hehe, thanks [12:39] [:-1] [12:39] there fixed it. [12:40] bash: [:-1] : command not found [12:41] nope ... [12:41] you need to call /usr/bin/python before :P [12:42] sistpoty, argh, thats evil ... flpsed is nearly an anagram of ltspfs ... very irritating ... [12:42] err ltspfsd [12:42] sorry ;) [12:43] admit that was intentional ... to confuse me ... [12:43] of course ;) [12:43] :) === Slant [n=scott@sa8169016.temp.wsu.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEDA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] does anybody know why I'm getting this error? It has failed twice at the same point, but building with dpkg-buildpackage builds fine [01:04] http://pastebin.com/899125 [01:05] It's wesnoth 1.2.2 :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] don't know why it fails in pbuilder but not with dpkg-buildpackage... maybe a build-depends missing? [01:09] pochu: Is your system and pbuilder chroot up to date? [01:10] TheMuso: right, one hour ago [01:10] with the main archive [01:10] ok [01:11] I'll update again, to ensure :) [01:11] Do you have pbuilder set up so that if a build fails, you are automatically left with a prompt inside the chroot? [01:11] TO do further exmination? [01:13] TheMuso: no, I haven't [01:13] TheMuso: should I have it? [01:13] That might be worth doing. [01:13] Especially for what I am about to suggest. [01:13] TheMuso: what should I do, edit the .pbuilderrc? [01:13] No, it can be done with pbuilder hooks. [01:14] It's interesting that ld did report why it failed. [01:14] What you want to do, is make sure the directory /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks exists. [01:15] Then cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/C10shell /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks [01:15] it doesn't exist, do I create it? [01:15] And finally make sure HOOKDIR in /etc/pbuilderrc points to /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks [01:15] What doesn't exist? [01:16] /usr/lib/pbuilder/hooks [01:16] yeah create it [01:18] TheMuso: done :) [01:18] Ok, how many ELF binaries/libraries does the package produce when built? [01:18] let me look [01:19] 11 +1 I have added (meta package) [01:19] total: 12 :) [01:20] I don't mean actual packages. [01:20] I actually mean either shared libraries, or binaries that go in usr/bin etc. [01:20] elf? === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [01:20] Its the binary format used for Linux. [01:20] ah, didn't know :) [01:20] stands for executable and linkable format === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] TheMuso: how can I check that? I'm not sure about it :( [01:22] Build the package with dpkg-buildpackage, then go into the staging area for your package, if there is one, ie debian/tmp. Then look in usr/bin and usr/lib if it exists. [01:23] if the package doesn't use a temporary staging area for files, then you will have to go through each package's staging directory individually. [01:23] it does [01:24] Right. [01:25] there is neither usr/bin/ nor usr/lib in debian/tmp/ [01:25] What is in there? [01:25] there is a usr/share and a usr/games [01:25] sorry, in usr/games [01:25] forgot that it was a game. [01:25] and even var/games [01:25] TheMuso: np :) [01:25] 4 executables [01:25] wesnoth, wesnothd, wesnoth_editor (executalbes) [01:26] Ok, attempt to build the package in pbuilder again, and wait till you get given a prompt inside the chroot [01:26] and a perl script (wmlxgettext) [01:26] TheMuso: ok [01:26] building :) [01:33] oh darn [01:33] sistpoty: you around? [01:34] LaserJock: yep [01:34] LaserJock: of course he's around, it's not 4am yet [01:34] :P [01:34] heh [01:34] well, it was sort of a false alarm [01:34] siretart was the one I was after [01:35] hehe ok :) [01:35] easy to confuse them ;) [01:35] LaserJock: ok... he went to bed some time ago [01:35] I was just going to say, with respect to the MOTU wiki [01:35] that I started implementing Jono's style to MOTU quite some time ago [01:35] but I wasn't able to get very far [01:36] I created a MOTU header [01:36] and worked a bit on MOTU/ === sistpoty just works on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Newsletter [01:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU [01:36] sistpoty: yes, I saw that. that's what reminded me [01:36] pochu: How goes the build? === ajmitch is just working on various little things, nothing on the wiki [01:37] TheMuso: building :) [01:37] pochu: Ok. [01:37] ajmitch: I'm on fire today [01:38] called a couple companies and ordered some parts, went to a meeting, proctored and exam, another meeting, fixing Edubuntu docs, ... [01:38] LaserJock: scary [01:38] TheMuso: failed, I have a prompt :) [01:39] Ok. from another terminal, copy those binaries from the debian/tmp/usr/games dir from the successful build into the chroot/ The chroot is in /var/cache/pbuilder/buildd/* or something like that. [01:39] ajmitch & sistpoty: what do you think of the sandbox MOTU page ^^ ? [01:39] The dir is named with a number, likely the pid of the pbuilder process. [01:39] ok, going to do [01:40] I could probably move most of the MOTU/ content there and replace MOTU? [01:40] s|?|/| [01:40] sorry, /var/cache/pbuilder/pbuildd === TheMuso sighs. [01:42] TheMuso: there is nothing in /var/cache/pbuilder/pbuildd, no directories [01:42] LaserJock: looks quite good [01:42] I wish there was a way to force an ISP's transparent proxy to flush its cache. [01:43] LaserJock: the "current working mode" is great! [01:43] pochu: When the build failed, did it say that it was cleaning up?\ [01:43] and is the prompt you have a root prompt? [01:43] TheMuso: no, and yes [01:43] hmmm. [01:44] sistpoty: yeah, I imagined that as sort of "Where are we in the release and what are we focused on" thing [01:44] TheMuso: though I'm trying to copy them from another terminal (user one) [01:44] Right. === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b240-142.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] Try and find the source package in /var/cache/pbuilder or any of its subdirs. [01:45] so something like find /var/cache/pbuilder -name wesnoth_* or something like that. [01:45] LaserJock: maybe the teams should be moved to a subpage, and instead something like "motu is organized by a number of teams, who care for specific aspects of universe..." be inserted in the front page? [01:45] sistpoty: that page is based on a fairly old (2006) version of MOTU/ maybe I should update it and polish it and email -motu? [01:45] LaserJock: that would be great! [01:46] sistpoty: yeah, I was thinking of a table or something easy to see all the team [01:46] TheMuso: ok, doing [01:46] sistpoty: but I don't think wiki works very well for that, at least I don't know how to do it in a good way [01:47] hm... [01:48] TheMuso: emilio@kiko:/var/cache/pbuilder/build$ ls [01:48] 15477 5744 [01:48] TheMuso: though both directories contain "/" [01:48] TheMuso: bin, usr, var, home... [01:48] which one has the package source in it out of those two? [01:49] Its in the /tmp/build dir I think. [01:49] emilio@kiko:/var/cache/pbuilder/build/15477/tmp/buildd$ ls [01:49] wesnoth-1.2.2 wesnoth_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.dsc wesnoth_1.2.2-0ubuntu1.tar.gz [01:49] :) [01:50] LaserJock: maybe it might make sense to invite ppl. to contribute on the front page, hinting to correct any wiki-errors they may find... however that might also just be one of may ideas which won't work after all ;) === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] sistpoty: well, let me sort of clean it up and update it then I'll open it up for people to thrash around [01:51] LaserJock: cool! rock! [01:52] TheMuso: do I paste them inside its directory? [01:52] pochu: Anywhere inside that chroot is fine. [01:52] ok [01:53] LaserJock: btw.: the top-table with links is very nice :) [01:53] TheMuso: done :) [01:53] (as is the contents thingy... I'm still baffled how you do it) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] hey bddebian [01:54] pochu: Now what you want to do, is use the ldd command to determine whether any of those binaries can be used with the libraries in the chroot. So something like ldd wesnoth will give you output similar to this. [01:54] pochu: http://www.pastebin.ca/395422 [01:55] pochu: Obviously it will be different, but you get the idea. [01:55] TheMuso: right :) [01:55] TheMuso: trying [01:55] Check all binaries, and check that all libraries a binary needs are present [01:55] Heya gang [01:55] Hi pochu [01:55] Heya bddebian. [01:56] Hi TheMuso [01:56] TheMuso: seems this is missing: [01:56] linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) [01:56] hi bddebian [01:56] pochu: No thats fine. [01:57] Heya sistpoty [01:57] ah, ok [01:58] TheMuso: seems ok to me, do I pastebin it for you? [01:58] TheMuso: give me a moment [01:59] pochu: If you want to, but unless you can see any not found messages, than that rules out a missing library at least. [01:59] TheMuso: http://www.pastebin.ca/395430 [01:59] TheMuso: do you mean the build-depends? [01:59] pochu: You could check all the libraries that are linked for the binaries have their dev files present. [02:00] otherwise I'm out of ideas. === sponix [n=family@c-68-51-218-143.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:03] Anybody around who is a moderator for the universe sponsors ml? === mjunx [n=matt@70.131.200.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] sistpoty: not mentioning the build farm stuff yet? :) [02:33] ajmitch: consider contributing ;) [02:33] hehe === ajmitch can't write :) [02:34] :P [02:34] ? [02:35] imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Newsletter [02:35] ahh [02:36] now it only needs some text (as do most other points) [02:36] imbrandon: you could probably write something in there about ubuntuwire.com [02:36] yup yup, i probably will tonight when i'm at work [02:36] cool, thx! [02:36] too tired to atm heh === sistpoty is beyond the state of tiredness right now [02:37] imbrandon: what about blogs for ubuntu people? :) [02:37] that might be cool, a multi site wp install wouldent be hard [02:37] and the webserver is already seperate [02:37] apart from the fact that it's wp [02:37] and i alraedy give jabber/email away [02:38] infact i could probably use the jabber/email id for the blogs [02:38] security *cough*, *cough*... wp had some bugs assigned to motu-swat which weren't fixed for some time (and maybe still aren't?) *g* [02:38] imbrandon: consider using debian packages :P [02:38] sistpoty, i install right from wp.com [02:38] hehe [02:38] sistpoty: wp & security don't go together :) [02:41] if i do blogs ajmitch you have to agree to signup for one, since it was your idea ;) [02:41] sistpoty: how's the teams in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU ? [02:42] LaserJock: nice [02:42] sistpoty: do you think that'd be suitable for getting all the teams on the front page? [02:43] LaserJock: yep [02:43] that's silly Uncommon Programming Languages team makes everything hard :-) [02:44] sorry [02:44] imbrandon: oh I can sign up [02:45] doesn't mean I'll blog :) [02:45] lol [02:45] oh, so we already have a security team for universe... seems like motu-swat is redundant then? === ajmitch has no hackergotchu, so can't go on planet [02:45] sistpoty: hah [02:45] the "security team" is rather defunct [02:45] hehe === LaserJock goes to register immitchy.wordpress.com :-) [02:46] LaserJock: ? [02:46] lol [02:46] ajmitch: that way I get to blog and you get the flames :-) [02:47] oh darn, I was thinking MOTU Swat == MOTU QA === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] bbiab food time [02:48] LaserJock: no, motu-swat is the new motu-security. and we sometimes even get things done... sometimes... rarely... and only because keescook is doing most of the work ;) [02:48] mhm [02:48] or geser [02:48] or anyone else, not me :P [02:50] LaserJock: lucky me [02:50] of course [02:51] hm... many team pages look kinda outdated... maybe we should do some cleanup there as well? [02:51] yes [02:53] (including upl, which wasn't very active lately) [02:57] upl? [03:00] What is upl? [03:00] uncommon programming languages, since LaserJock complaind :P [03:00] +e [03:00] hehe [03:00] what I'm doing right now [03:01] You're writing Lisp now? :-) [03:01] is listing the ones from MOTU/Teams [03:01] fortran :) [03:01] that have LP teams [03:01] heh === LaserJock forms MOTU Fortran [03:01] w00t [03:01] since it obviously doesn't belong to UCL [03:01] or UPL [03:02] So if I want a char* to point to another pointer is it just foo = bar; or foo = &bar? [03:02] bddebian: foo = bar; [03:02] Hmm, that's what I thought [03:02] #$%#!$ [03:02] &bar would give you the pointer to bar... so if bar is a pointer you end up with a pointer to a pointer [03:03] Well bar is actually a 2 dimensional array at this point :-) [03:03] which can sometimes be usefull [03:03] bddebian: then bar is a pointer to a pointer already... [03:03] Right [03:04] heh, true [03:04] bddebian: so I guess you'll want s.th. like foo = bar[42] ... unless foo is an array itself [03:04] (to pointers) === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Actually what I really want is a char* struct element to = a const char[5] [3] but no matter what I do I can't get it to work :_( [03:08] anyone here use svn? :P [03:09] bddebian: got some code to look at? [03:09] sistpoty: No cause you'll laugh at it ;-) [03:10] bddebian: I promise not to :P [03:10] however first I'll go for a cigarette ;) [03:10] TheMuso: I think I found the missed dependency: libsdl1.2-dev :) [03:10] but I'll do it tomorrow [03:10] TheMuso: thanks for your help! [03:10] sistpoty: http://pastebin.us/17332 [03:11] pochu: great. [03:11] good night everyone! [03:11] Gnight pochu [03:12] sistpoty: Oh, and here's the header file: http://pastebin.us/17333 [03:14] bddebian: well, is surely not as bad looking as the sed rpn calculator I saw the other day [03:15] LaserJock: :-) [03:17] crimsun: well said, +1 === ajmitch wonders what LaserJock refers to [03:18] ah, the list [03:20] is MOTU/SRU the current SRU policy? I've lost track === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] probably not === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] bah [03:22] funny, the suggestion of leaving it to the motu-uvf team [03:23] since crimsun is a member of that team as well [03:23] well yeah [03:23] pretty much any team would still make it up to him ;-) [03:23] & there is some slight overlap between -uvf & the mc === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wonders if pitti could blacklist beryl from apport === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] hmm [03:27] do you know if apport has blacklisting at all? [03:27] or if most people are running edgy & so it can't be changed [03:27] there's some [03:28] # ignore blacklisted binaries [03:28] if info.check_ignored(): [03:28] error_log('executable version is blacklisted, ignoring') === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-151-165.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] Damn, did sistpoty die laughing at my hideous code? [03:39] bddebian: no, was just out for a smoke (and had some chat with my gf) [03:40] :) [03:40] bddebian: just fiddling with your code === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] It's very messy since I have tried so many iterations of stuff :-( [03:44] imo it's not that messy [03:49] ok guys, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sandbox/MOTU [03:49] I think it's got about everything I was thinking of [03:50] sistpoty: your gf is still awake as well? [03:50] yep [03:50] sad [03:50] hehe [03:51] ajmitch: that's my problem. my wife doesn't like it when I stay up til 2am when see wants to go to bed at 10:00pm === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch has no such problems [03:52] LaserJock: Heh, my wife has been asleep since before 10 ;-P [03:52] Hell and even LOST is on === ajmitch is just the stereotypical geek ;) [03:53] But we love you anyway :-) [03:53] no you don't [03:54] Sure we do :-) [03:56] ok, so the MOTU Meeting is scheduled the same time as the next TB meeting [03:57] and on the MOTU/Meeting page it says Tuesday the 23rd but Tuesday is the 27th [03:57] it's the 27th; it's correct on the fridge [03:58] or at least I recall robtaille asking about it [03:58] LaserJock: probably my fault... sorry [04:00] ohh [04:00] the meeting time has changed, I think [04:00] or maybe not [04:01] for some reason my google calendar says they are at the same time [04:02] at least I was consistent with my type... now that I know that I can't read the calendar :) === bddebian blames it on the new timezone change [04:10] oh yeah [04:11] I have a laptop that keeps switching times [04:11] I gotta figure out if it's still doing it [04:11] LaserJock, feels like permanent travelling, doesnt it :) [04:12] heh, you would surely know [04:12] ogra: has most of your travel been in Europe? [04:12] ogra: it's worrying that you're still awake :) [04:13] LaserJock, the recent ones, yes [04:13] and the next ones as well ... === ajmitch hasn't often seen you around -motu lately [04:13] ajmitch, yeah, thanks to cbx33 ... who changed half the world in TCM but forgot to bzr add the new glade file for it [04:13] rotfl [04:14] ajmitch, i'm always around in -motu :) [04:14] lifeless, not funny ... its an essential program for edubuntu and now its unlikely to make the freeze tomorrow [04:14] ogra: eep === mjunx [n=matt@70.131.200.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] but i cant do much anymore now ... i fixed all the code i could fix witout having a gui ... so i think its bedtime now ... [04:16] oh dear [04:16] well, its a typical user error with bzr ... [04:17] git is somewhat better there but in an annoying way [04:17] i miss a bzr add myself very often as well ... [04:17] that's a typical user error with just about every VCS [04:17] i guess you cant solve it properly in an automatic way [04:17] not without dumping crap into the repo [04:17] so its a matter of habit [04:18] in git it won't commit anything until you git-update-index it, i've found myself realizing i added a file and forgot about it when i check git-status to see what i need to feed to git-update-index [04:19] so it's more annoying 99% of the time but saved your ass in that 1% [04:19] saves* [04:19] ogra: ah, that's unfortunate [04:20] wow, Mail.app just signed my email for me [04:21] neat [04:22] ogra: add a bzr alias for 'commit=commit --strict' [04:22] that gives you the same behaviour [04:23] cool, thanks 1 [04:23] ! [04:26] now you just need to get everyone using that alias :) [04:30] I think you can put it in branch.conf for the branches you care about [04:34] bddebian: sorry, was distracted again. and I guess I'm too tired to fix it right now, but I'll take a look at it tomorrow [04:35] sistpoty: No worries, thanks man === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xzu [n=otto@brucester.a20.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fabo [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-142-130.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed now [04:42] gn8 everyone === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [n=ngazer@200.68.69.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-105-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] wrt archive.ubuntu.com, I'm getting an error from "apt-get update"... [05:41] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) [05:42] jimpop: Try again in 15 minutes [05:43] gotcha. thx [05:43] sandwich time === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === man-di_ [n=man-di@dyndsl-080-228-196-174.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] Amaranth: not rushing you, just fyi that the problem still remains. [06:01] jimpop: I have no control over it, was just a random suggestion [06:01] usually helps [06:02] Amaranth: ahh, ok. thx anyways === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-cbebb3e54713cb8a] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] re === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] ok, so upgrading NetworkManager over ssh isn't the best idea apparently [06:45] hahaha [06:45] lol === Rohinton [n=chatzill@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] well, it's not all *that* funny [06:48] it's my server computer [06:48] thankfully it's just in another room [06:48] well we've all been there so yea, but your server uses nm? [06:48] that's Feisty's default so yeah [06:48] I couldn't figure out how to do it non-NM very well [06:48] heh [06:49] well i have no gui on the servers so kinda hard to use nm [06:49] plus its just easier to have milti interfaces etc the old way [06:49] ;) [06:49] multi* [06:49] well, my "server" is just my desktop machine that I leave on all night and has a LAMP setup === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-48774286d14b6dcd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] :) [06:50] hey its a start hehe [06:50] probably as close as I'll ever get [06:50] ya never know, 2 or 3 years you might be in a new house and have a ubuntu box headless tucked away in the basement serving files ;) [06:51] I think I'm more likely to get a professorship and have money for a small cluster [06:51] hrm i wonder if i could get a ubuntu install in under 1GB [06:51] full Ubuntu? [06:51] no [06:51] just server install [06:51] never checked on the size [06:51] I would think you could [06:52] full Ubuntu's supposed to take 2GB [06:52]