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Burgworkjgedeon: where in the US are you?12:19
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BurgworkLaser_away: you still around?12:33
jgedeonSorry about that.12:33
jgedeonIn North East Ohio12:33
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Burgworkjgedeon: no need to be sorry, did you hear my question?12:41
jgedeonBurgwork: yes I said in North East Ohio.12:41
Burgworkah, didn't catch that12:42
BurgworkI apparently dropped for a bit12:42
Burgworkthere are a bunch of ltsp devs in the midwest region12:42
jgedeonA couple of years ago I was helping a teacher in the school and one thing led to another and now we are looking at *nix district wide...12:43
jgedeonIt's already been officially said that they want to try Edubuntu in the primary and Intermediate buildings.12:44
Burgworkcool12:46
Burgworkthere is also somebody using Edubuntu in Illionios12:47
Burgworkas part of their state-wide rollout12:47
jgedeonCool.  Then we won't be the only ones.  Makes one feel better.  LOL  Even though I don't think Edubuntu will have a problem it's just nice to know there are others.12:48
jgedeonIn the area so to say.12:48
cliebow_ we are as close as your netrwork connection 8`)12:48
jgedeonLOL12:48
jgedeonI do know that the media will be watching this.  So it should be pretty interesting for Ubuntu as a whole!    The County Superintendent is keeping a close eye on this to and has an interest in it.12:50
cliebow_jgedeon: we switched cave hill to ltsp three years ago..but in libranet..then redhat..soon to e edubuntu12:50
Burgworkah, libranet12:50
Burgworkcliebow_: which cave hill?12:50
Burgworkjgedeon: ironically I work for a company that sells a competing solution12:51
cliebow_at the time we  had a tech guy there..teaching first grade..but budget consolidation made him go12:51
cliebow_mAINE12:51
cliebow_when he left i puit all six schools in rhel3..12:51
jgedeoncliebow_: I think I have read something about your school on the internet while researching.12:51
cliebow_probably...i  admin six in Ellsworth and sis in surrounding union 9212:52
jgedeoncliebow_: how many clients are you running per server?12:53
cliebow_cliebow prob brings up all sorts of fabrications12:53
cliebow_i have a hundred in the high school..never more than 40 aT a time on12:53
cliebow_i ve been doing ltsp five years or so12:54
jgedeoncliebow_: what kind of server spec's are you running if you don't mind me asking?12:54
cliebow_eagle2 is 4 gig memory..have to look at the rest for you..dual opteron perhaps..12:55
jgedeonAnd 40 is at once is about the limit?12:55
cliebow_no..with no runaway forefoxes or online games we could do more12:56
jgedeonOk..  KEWL12:56
cliebow_we have a trio..ldapserver//ltsp...fileserver12:56
jgedeoncliebow_: do you know what software your districts are using for reading comprehension?12:57
cliebow_well we are using read180...lexia//carnegie learning12:57
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cliebow_yeah..dual opteron 1792 mhz 64 bit..12:58
jgedeontrying to find the name of the one they are currently using on doze network.12:58
jgedeon3yo servers?12:59
LaserJockBurgwork: I am now12:59
cliebow_two hefty servers...one is files gfor all six schools..the other ltsp for high school..12:59
cliebow_and a pos fgor ldap01:00
cliebow_authentication01:00
jgedeoncliebow_: ok.01:00
cliebow_it comes and goes..still have a fifth grade pod of seven run by a totally non-savvy teacher..who loves it01:01
cliebow_i look in at every ubuntu release..other than that it just works01:02
jgedeoncliebow_: that is what I am seeing.01:02
cliebow_GReat..any help i can be just holler..i am in #ltsp most of the time01:03
jgedeoncliebow_: Thanks.  I have set up a couple of smaller labs just for testing but am looking at doing something a little bigger so that I can show the others more of a hands on and to do some training on so that they aren't blind sideded.01:05
cliebow_good...i have mine set up to feed the whole building..single nic..but some prefer the lab type setup01:06
cliebow_you are doing ltsp?01:06
jgedeonYes ltsp, don't see a reason not to go ltsp.  Hoping to break the grades into like pods.  Think there will be 5 to 7 clients in a room.01:08
jgedeoncliebow_: is your network a mixxed network with *nix and M$?01:08
cliebow_oh yeah....osx nix ms..like 200 laptops just in the high school01:10
cliebow_200 osx laptops..01:10
cliebow_maine laptop initiative...01:11
jgedeonOk.01:11
cliebow_prob 400 ibooks in lall01:11
cliebow_for this district01:11
jgedeonOk.01:12
cliebow_that is why i was so hot getting ltsp to wwork on ppc01:14
cliebow_i find the litlle bast..ds a pain..\01:14
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jgedeoncliebow_: with the changes in ppc I don't think we will really be worrying about those since everything we have is so outdated and we are basically going to be starting out from scratch.01:17
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cliebow_i started out with nubus mac...01:23
cliebow_my  terminals  are all junk donated..netvistas..boxes from the banks..the airforce..01:24
cliebow_200 meg  boxes retired from the career  essentials labs01:26
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cliebow_packing it in..til tomorrow01:37
MrWizard14ok, c ya01:37
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adrenalin1983Anyone got some spare time to help me with something?01:50
adrenalin1983I need help with my video card01:51
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a_tycan help me to enable 3D vga client02:35
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yo_please help me03:47
yo_ to enable client 3D VGA card03:48
Burgundaviayo_: what is the make of your video card03:50
Burgundavia?03:50
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a_tyyo04:07
LaserJockBurgundavia: you pinged me earlier today, anything special?04:08
BurgundaviaLaserJock: I forgot04:08
LaserJockk04:08
a_tywhat04:09
a_tywhat's the mean of laserjock. may i know04:10
LaserJockwhat does "LaserJock" mean?04:12
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a_tyyeah04:20
LaserJockwell, LASER is Light Amplified by Spontaneous Emission of Radiation04:32
LaserJockand Jock is kinda like an enthusiast04:32
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|speed|can help me to configuration 3D vga card client05:07
bimberi|speed|: what kind of video card? nvidia? ati?05:09
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cbx33hi alll07:34
cbx33hey burgundavia, howz it looking07:36
RichEd'lo cbx3307:36
cbx33hey riched07:37
RichEdcbx33: pm4u07:38
cbx33i'm nagging as usual07:38
RichEds/lagging/nagging ?07:38
cbx33nope nagging07:38
Alpha_Clusterwow people do actaully talk in here07:39
cbx33heh07:39
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cbx33right i gotta go get up07:39
cbx33 /me bugs burgundavia one last time book book book.....07:42
cbx33i'm outta here07:42
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phoenix24i am working on my idea, which i think could be a useful app for Edubuntu09:10
phoenix24is this the right place to get feedback on it?09:10
highvoltagephoenix24: yep09:18
highvoltagephoenix24: welcome to edubuntu09:18
highvoltagephoenix24: most people are still sleeping though :)09:18
phoenix24i guess so..09:21
phoenix24My Application is called WISIWYS; pronounced "wizz e wizz"09:22
phoenix24and i call it What-I-See-Is What-You-See09:25
phoenix24catered more towards, situtations like; a classroom; a workshop; or a seminar. Where the lead presenter wants all the attendees to focus on his screen, or rather their own which is a replica of his own( if everyone has one)09:25
highvoltagewhat technologies does it use?09:26
phoenix24X11 backend, GTK+09:26
highvoltagewould it work with clients that are connected via ssh -X ?09:26
phoenix24would primarily be messing around with the X11 protocols09:27
highvoltageI suggest you mail about it to edubuntu-devel at http://lists.ubuntu.com09:27
phoenix24i am yet to refine the idea, was thinking if it even had a potential ?09:27
highvoltageif it could be incorporated into the current edubuntu tools, that would be great09:27
highvoltageit has potential, yes, ogra and cbx33 are working on tools to do similar things09:28
highvoltagemaybe you could contribute your ideas and knowledge?09:28
highvoltageif you hang around, they'll be in the channel a bit later.09:28
phoenix24a friend told me  to comtact orga. but he's not seen here now.09:29
phoenix24*contact09:29
phoenix24highvoltage: could give me the liks to orga's / cbx33's work on this?09:30
highvoltageugh, I was just about to paste him the links09:34
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highvoltagephoenix24: it was originally called the student control panel09:36
highvoltagephoenix24: here's the specification: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion09:36
highvoltagephoenix24: I think it's now called LTSP manager09:36
highvoltagephoenix24: but I suggest you hang arround for cbx33 and ogra for more details09:37
phoenix24yeah i will.09:37
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mherweghi edubuntu-people!  I tried to build CipUX on ubuntu and get this error: dh_installinit -pcipux-rpc -o --name=cipux-rpcd01:15
mherweg> Unknown option: o01:15
mherweg> dh_installinit: unknown option; aborting01:15
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phoenix24hi ogra01:32
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wimadoes anyone know where I can find a description of the local devices mechanism used in ubuntu ltsp?02:39
wimaI'm having troubles with cdroms, and I don't really know where to begin debugging02:40
wimaI fount this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-August/000339.html02:40
wimabut it doesn't say anything about cdrom02:41
wima(other local devices work fine)02:41
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cliebowwima:wiki.ltsp.org02:56
wimathqnks cliebow02:57
wimabut that is about ltsp 4.202:58
wimaI belief there are quite some changes in ubuntu ltsp02:58
wima( in ltsp 4.2 cdroms work, btw)02:59
cliebowah..then ogra may be your best resource..i know he is wicked busy with beta freeze03:01
wimayeah, he was also the author of the mail i referenced03:02
cliebowi believe localdev system is the same..but dont quote me..03:02
cliebowpop in #ltsp..Gadi is there i know..03:02
wimaI believe there are some changes in how things are mounted server side03:02
cliebowheh..was there03:02
wimaon the client, things seem to work03:03
wimacd is mounted03:03
cliebowdid you do the 12 step diagnosis?03:03
wimano. where can I find this?03:03
wimaare those the ones at ltsp.org?03:04
wimaare those applicable for ubuntu ltsp?03:04
cliebowwell i thought so..still need ltspfsd and stuff03:05
cliebowwhat are permissions on /dev/fuse03:06
wimarw-rw----03:06
wimaeveryone is in the fuse group03:06
wimausb sticks work fine03:07
wimalocal hard drives as wel03:07
wimaskimming trough the 12 steps, I see at least one step that goes wrong:03:08
cliebowhmmm03:08
wima"Does your workstation know its name?"03:08
cliebowthat should bother all else though huh?03:08
wimaI believe there is something wrong with the hostname script03:08
ograits not needed in ltsp5 ....03:09
wimano, I thought so03:10
wimamy dhcp server hqnds out hostnames based on mac03:10
ograltsp5 uses a socked of the ssh tunnel to communicate, you dont need any TCP stuff set up correctly for it ... (less error prone)03:10
wimaI see the hostname scrolling by during boot03:10
wimabut then it gets overwritten by the hostname of the server03:11
ograin ltsp 4.2 a separate communication bus makes the TCP connection, so it depends on correct TCP setup there03:11
cliebowecho $DISPLAY on a client gives server name?03:11
cliebowseesm irrelevant anyway03:11
ogracliebow, should give you :6 on a client03:11
ograand at least localhst:11 in the session03:12
wimacan you think of anything that can cause cdroms to fail while other devices work?03:12
ograset a roowpw in the client chroot: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd03:12
ograhit ctrl-alt-f1 on the client and log in as root ...03:13
ogracheck if the cdpinger script is running03:13
wimaI have an account with sudo rights03:13
ograno03:13
ograthe chroot the client boots from is a completely independent system03:13
ograit has no user accounts at all and root is locked03:13
wimayes, I know03:14
ograso you need a rootpw to log in on the console on a booted client03:14
wimabut I created one in the chroot03:14
ograah03:14
ograok03:14
wimacdpinger is running03:14
ograhmm, then there is no reason you shouldnt see the CD03:14
wimathis is a python script right?03:14
ograyep03:14
wimait is mounted locally03:15
wimabut it doesn't appear on the server03:15
ograhmm, so cdpinger even works right03:15
ograthats a bit weird03:15
wimasorry, it _used_ to work03:16
wimanow not anymore03:16
wimaand it won't give me back my cd03:16
wimafor other devices, I saw two mounts on the server03:17
wimalike:03:17
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wimaltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)/tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 on /media/wima/floppy0 type none (rw,bind)03:17
wimasorry03:17
wimaltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)03:17
wima/tmp/.wima-ltspfs/floppy0 on /media/wima/floppy0 type none (rw,bind)03:17
wimafor cdroms, there was only one03:18
ograhmm03:20
ogracheck if /media/wima has a cdrom dir03:20
wimano03:21
wimamaybe it did before I messed things up completely03:21
wimaunfortunately I cannot reboot the server without having a lot of angry users03:23
wima(for the moment they are happy ltsp users, thank you very much :))03:24
wimais this what is supposed to happen?:03:25
wima1. cdpinger sees that there is a cd and mounts the cdrom03:25
wima2 server is notified03:25
wima3. server mounts ltsp filesystem03:26
ograright03:26
wima4 ???03:26
wimathis is then mounted again?03:26
ograthe only thing i could have imagined was that the dir wasnt deleted on unmount, it sometimes chokes on that03:26
ograbut if you say /media/wima is empty that cant be it03:27
wimawell, floppy is there03:27
wimabut no cdrom03:27
wimawhat is running on the server to manage these things?03:28
wimaand can I get it to log something?03:28
ograthere is the ltspfsmounter script that gets executed through the tunnel03:29
ograits respnsible for the payload connection03:29
ograbut if your floppy woirks all should be fine03:30
wimawhy are there two mounts for every device?03:30
ograone is the ltspfs mount, the other is a bind mount, so the device ends up in /media/$USER03:31
wimaok03:31
ogragnome-volumke manager monitors that dir03:31
ograso we didnt need to touch the desktop with any hacks ;)03:32
wimastrange then that the bind mount happened, but the ltspfs mount didn't03:32
wimathe bind mount made the icon appear03:32
ograright03:33
ograand you bsee an empty dir if you open it03:33
wimacan I run ltspfsmount manually?03:33
wimaas a test?03:33
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ograhmm, might work03:35
ograoh, wait !03:38
ogracheck if a cdrom dir still is in /tmp/.$USER03:39
ograltspfsmounter wont work if either side exists ...03:39
ogra(either side of the bind mount)03:39
wimano03:39
wimawell03:39
wimanot anymore03:39
wimait was created when I tried ltfsmounter03:40
wimaand then I used the remove option and it was gone03:40
wima(i have no idea what I am doing :))03:40
ogratry putting in a cdrom now03:41
wimaproblem is:03:41
ograbtw, is that edgy or feisty ?03:41
wimathere is already a cdrom in, and it wont come out03:41
ograoh03:42
wimaumount -f on client says device is busy03:43
ograoh03:43
ograeject03:43
ograwell, indeed, you said you see the mount on the client ...03:43
ograususally there are no mounts as long as no data is transferred, ltspfs works dynamically03:44
ograand unmounts the clientside secretly 2secs after the last byte was transferred03:44
wimaeject: device is busy03:45
ograwell, thats very likely an HW issue, what kind of CD is that ?03:46
ograplain data ? mixed audio/data ? or something differently weird ?03:46
ograaudio CDs are not yxet supported ...03:46
wimaplain data03:46
ograi havent tried mixed ones03:46
wimatried multiple workstations03:47
wimaI could do an ls on client and see the data03:47
ograright03:47
ograwhich release is that ?03:48
wimaedgy03:50
ograk03:50
ograrun lsof on the client to see what hogs the CD03:51
ograor better: lsof|grep cd03:51
wimaalready tried it03:51
wimanothing03:51
wimamaybe best to reboot client03:52
wimais there anything I can do server side so everything is clean?03:52
wimaremove tmp/user-ltsp?03:53
wimaand /media/user/*03:53
ograif you shut down from the clients login manager (with the button on te bottom left) a cleanup script is run03:54
ograthat will delete all dirs03:54
wimaok03:54
wimaah, the button doen't work on this machine03:54
wimait works on all others03:54
wimait just freezes03:55
wimaI will check if everything is remeved when I log back in03:55
ograweird machine ... but even if it freezes it will run the script before the acpi call is done03:55
wimaok03:55
wimawell, I'm going to reboot now03:55
wimathanks already for your time!03:56
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wimaand we are back...04:02
ograwith working CDrom ?04:03
wimahaven't tried04:04
wimawas checking if all dirs where gone04:04
ograand they were i hope04:04
wimaon client, there is still a cdrom dir in /var/run/drives04:04
wimais this ok?04:04
ograyes04:04
wimaok04:05
ograthats created on boot04:05
ogra(as the whole /var/run dir)04:05
wimainserting disc...04:05
wimaicon appears04:05
ograif you ever need something to vanish on reboot in asn ubuntu system, use /var/run ;)04:05
wimahmm04:06
wimaI see an empty folder04:06
wimaon server, both mounts are there04:06
wimaltspfs and bind04:06
wimals /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom gives nothing04:07
ograno, it shouldnt04:07
ograbut you see the mount in the output of the mount program ?04:07
wimaah, it is not mounted on client04:08
wimamount |grep cd gives nothing04:08
wimaon server,  mount |grep cdrom |grep wima gives04:09
wimaltspfs on /tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=wima)04:09
wima/tmp/.wima-ltspfs/cdrom on /media/wima/cdrom type none (rw,bin04:09
wimaI forgot to check if these weren't there before I inserted this disk of course04:10
ograit should get mounted as soon as you acess it04:11
wimaremoved cd now04:12
wimaicon is gone04:12
wimamounts are also gone on server04:12
wimai'll try another cd04:12
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wimaah, now nautilus gives an error04:14
wima'could not display contents'04:14
wimait is mounted on client now04:14
ograhmm04:14
ograright, thats what should happen04:15
ograbut i wonder why you dont have read access04:15
wimals /var/drives/cdrom on client works04:15
ograare you logged in multiple times with the same user ?04:16
wimals /media/wima/cdrom04:16
wimagives:04:16
wima /media/wima/cdrom: Transport endpoint is not connected04:16
wimano only on this machine04:17
wimaI think04:17
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ograsounds like a bug in ltspfs or so ...04:21
ograwe'll need to wait until sbalneav shows up...04:21
wimacan there be anything specific to my setup that cases this problem?04:21
wimanetwork maybe?04:22
ogranot really, you client boots from the net and works ... that would exclude network probs04:22
ograthe scriptsa work fine as well and create all the mountpoints04:22
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ograso the only thing that could be broken is ltspfs04:23
ograwhich is responsible for the payload ...04:23
wimawe had a lot of problems with nfs04:24
wimait was so bad that ubuntu ltsp zas unusable04:25
wimathen I changed nfsp to use tcp in the init scripts04:25
wimanow it is fine, and we could finally switch to ltsp ubuntu04:25
wimaok. I'll wait for sbalneav :)04:27
wimathanks very much for your help04:28
wimanow I understand a bit better what is going on04:28
wimaonce cdrom is fixed, we're moving the whole office over to ltsp04:29
wima( we have a few test users at the moment)04:29
ogranice04:29
wimais pulse audio going in in the next release?04:30
ograits already in, yes04:30
wimagreat!04:30
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sbalneavcbx33: Hey dude!  How's stands the empire?07:26
sbalneavs/'s//07:26
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LaserJocksbalneav!07:36
sbalneavhey LaserJock07:38
Burgworksbalneav: hey!07:38
sbalneavhey hey07:40
sbalneavis cbx33 around?07:40
LaserJocknot sure07:41
sbalneavWho's controlling the doco these days?  ogra said there was some weirdness in the doco, but when it moved off of hedgemage's repo, I never got access to it after that.07:41
LaserJocksbalneav: the doc team has it07:42
LaserJockhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/07:43
LaserJocksbalneav: we just need to make sure all your work got there07:44
LaserJocknixternal: thought it was but now we aren't sure07:44
LaserJocks/://07:45
sbalneavSome of it wasn't finished yet, but I lost access to the server and COULDN't finish it.07:46
LaserJocklost access to HedgeMage's server?07:47
sbalneavWell, they moved the doco off of that, right?07:48
LaserJockwell, we *were* periodically syncing from it07:48
LaserJockbut we've moved totally to the doc team server07:48
sbalneavAny chance I could get access to it?07:49
LaserJocksure07:49
LaserJockbut you can always send us patches too ;-)07:49
sbalneavThat's fine, what's the address?07:49
LaserJockit'll take time to get write access07:49
sbalneavbzr or svn?07:49
LaserJocksvn07:50
sbalneavWhat's the addrss?07:50
LaserJockCanonical sysadmins have to create the accounts07:50
LaserJockwell, you can send it to me07:50
LaserJockor ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com07:50
sbalneavNo, I mean the svn address.07:50
LaserJockoh sorry07:51
sbalneavI can do a checkout, fix up what needs fixing, then send you the patches.07:51
LaserJocksvn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc07:51
sbalneavk got it07:52
LaserJockthe handbook is in edubuntu/handbook/07:52
sbalneavGrabbing it now.07:53
cbx33hey sbalneav07:53
cbx33I'm here07:53
cbx33gonna be jumping out in just a sec though07:53
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cbx33hey LaserJock07:55
LaserJockwell, I got 6hrs of sleep last night ;-)07:57
sbalneavurgh, yeah, hasn't got all the up-to-date stuff.  I'll work on it for the rest of the day.07:57
LaserJocksbalneav: thanks so much dude. I'm not sure what happened there07:57
LaserJockI've just been doing packaging, etc. for it not any content07:58
cbx336 hours07:59
cbx33that's tonnes07:59
cbx33try 407:59
cbx33i did that for a whole month once08:00
LaserJockyucky08:00
LaserJockI feel like crap08:00
LaserJockit's only noon and I'm wasted08:00
Burgworkhmm, drugs08:00
Burgworkmakes irc a much better place08:01
LaserJockno drugs for me :/08:01
LaserJockI shouldn't even be drinking soda, according to the dentist08:01
cbx33Burgwork, chapter?08:01
LaserJockI hate coffee08:01
cbx33awww sorry LaserJock08:01
LaserJockso I'm stuck with my daily *buntu-drip08:01
Burgworkcbx33: I played Wesnoth last night08:01
cbx33BURGWORK!!!!08:02
BurgworkI am turning into a coffee fiend08:02
LaserJockI really should08:02
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LaserJockcbx33: where'd you get the trout?08:02
BurgworkI only drink coffee with chocolate08:02
BurgworkLaserJock: it came out of the Thames and has legs08:02
LaserJockyeah08:02
Burgworkwarty was ugly: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=664&num=208:03
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Burgworkwhat verb is "gaught"08:03
Burgworkis that how you over the ponders are spelling got these days?08:03
cbx33hehe08:04
cbx33caught08:04
cbx33I gtg08:04
cbx33see y'all later08:04
cbx33CHAPTER Burgwork  :p08:04
cbx33please...even if it's just makos version ;)08:05
Burgworkcbx33: wesnotttthhh08:05
LaserJockBurgwork: I played it once a little while back on OS X08:05
LaserJockpretty cool08:05
BurgworkI am gotten rehooked08:05
LaserJockI'm not much of a RPG guy08:05
LaserJockI like the first person shooters more I guess08:05
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lulemurfanI can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help09:23
lulemurfanCan anyone help me please09:25
lulemurfanplease09:28
lulemurfanI can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help09:28
lulemurfanI can't connect my network printer to edubuntu, CAN anyone Help09:29
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sbalneavlulemurfan: hello09:35
sbalneavWhat kind of network printer is it/09:35
sbalneav?09:35
HedgeMagesbalneav: in response to what I saw in my away log... we took my repo offline when everything was moved to the doc repo in order to try to avoid confusion.  I can put mine back up if needed, though.09:40
sbalneavNah, that's ok.  I've checked out the source, I'll finish it off, and send in a patch.09:40
HedgeMageahh cool09:41
sbalneavHaven't seen you in a long time! How's it going?09:41
HedgeMagesbalneav: okay, just insanely busy09:41
sbalneav:)09:42
HedgeMageHopefully, I'll find time to come back in a few more (9+?) months.09:43
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LaserJockHedgeMage: how's the family?10:30
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HedgeMageLaserJock: okay I guess... just a lot going on :)10:32
HedgeMageLaserJock: how've you been?10:32
LaserJockbusy busy10:35
HedgeMage:)10:36
LaserJockjust got my car back from the shop10:38
LaserJocktook over 1 week10:38
cliebow__ spark plugs?10:41
LaserJockcliebow__: accident repair10:46
LaserJock2 accidents to be precise10:46
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cliebow__ should have been two weeks then\12:00

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