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yuriywhich character did we end up with for passwords?12:20
yuriybug 7549612:20
UbugtuMalone bug 75496 in kdelibs "Dots in password entry field too big" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7549612:21
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RiddellalleeEdgy32: mailman unsubscribed you from kubuntu-devel for bouncing01:28
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imbrandonmoins01:40
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Riddellhola01:41
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imbrandonRiddell, you gonna make the MC meeting to plead the KDE4 case ( i will be there )01:51
Jucatomoin imbrandon! :D01:51
imbrandonheya Jucato01:51
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Jucatoyikes! ubuntu.com has a new face02:04
Riddellimbrandon: hmm, when is that?02:16
Riddellimbrandon: ug, early02:16
Riddellimbrandon: yes, probably, but I should go to bed now02:16
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imbrandonRiddell, ok, i'll be there too, i've been chiming in on irc alot02:17
imbrandonaobut it02:17
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imbrandonsleep well02:17
Jucatog'night Riddell! :)02:17
ajmitchnight Riddell02:19
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Jucatoclaydoh: ping02:24
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claydohJucato: pong!02:26
Jucatospam in KFN. search for "nokia n95" :)02:27
claydohdang just got home fromone job, already on the next :002:27
Jucatoheheh sorry :)02:28
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claydohs'ok, all taken care of, about 10 reports from users im mmy inbox :)02:32
claydohusually someone else beats me to them02:32
Jucatoheh :)02:32
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claydohI only get pms from bad post reports, and the occaisional support questionm02:33
Jucatohehe :)02:33
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DaskreechKFN?03:03
JucatoKubuntuForums.Net03:03
nixternalKentucky Fried Nuggets03:05
Jucatogr.. you just made me hungrier...03:06
Jucatoand since it's a friday, I can't eat meat :(03:06
claydohkernel farking nutjobs03:06
nixternalthursday here :)03:06
ajmitchJucato: don't worry, lent will be over soon :)03:07
Jucato:D03:07
Jucatoyeah... but part of me doesn't want holy week to come soon... coz it means tons of work for me :(03:08
ajmitchheh03:08
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=== Jucato is an altar server, a choir member, and a council chairman... :(
ajmitchyou will be busy..03:10
Jucatoand unofficially an errand boy....03:10
ajmitchhehe03:10
Jucatosucks to be the youngest male in the council03:10
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DaskreechJucato: You can't eat meat on Fridays?03:17
jjessefish is allowed03:17
JucatoDaskreech: nope. jjesse: yep :D03:17
DaskreechLent?03:18
ajmitchyep03:18
Jucatoyep03:18
Daskreechah ok03:19
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DaskreechJucato: that guy who just logged out04:59
Daskreech is that allowed?04:59
nixternalDaskreech: which guy? the fuk! guy?05:14
DaskreechYeah05:14
nixternalno, but he didn't stay long enough for a warning :)05:14
DaskreechOk just wanted to know05:14
nixternalheh, beta got nabbed by the flood script05:16
nixternalI forgot to unload that earlier, glad I was around05:17
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JucatoDaskreech: sorry I was busy eating fish05:57
DaskreechHa ha :)05:57
Daskreechare you limited in the type of fish you can eat>06:00
Daskreech?06:00
Jucatono06:00
Jucatoactually I don't have to eat fish. just anything != meat06:01
DaskreechWhy can't you eat meat?06:03
DaskreechDon't say lent :-P whats the reasoning behind it06:03
JucatoLent06:03
nixternallol06:03
Jucato:D06:03
Jucatoactually, if I were a vegetarian, I would be eating meat today... if going by the reasoning behind it06:04
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DaskreechWhich is?06:19
DaskreechGive up something you normally subsist on?06:19
Jucatogive up something you normally like/do/eat/crave06:20
Jucatofor one day a week06:20
DaskreechSo for me it would be lack of sleep?06:22
nixternalhey, I received a job offer for 17,000 pesos a month. is that good?06:23
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DaskreechXe.com06:23
Jucatoaround $340?06:23
Daskreechreminds me of Futurama :)06:24
nixternalthat's it?06:24
nixternallol06:24
nixternalthat is a management position in Mexico?06:24
Jucatomight be even lower these days...06:24
nixternalthey have to pay more than that06:24
Jucatoer.. which Pesos btw?06:24
Alpha_Clusterlol06:24
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=== Jucato is not from Mexico...
nixternalJucato: that is 1,500+ a month06:25
nixternalLOL, that is definitely not enough06:25
Alpha_Clustermexico does use the peso06:25
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Jucatonixternal: I converted that to Philippine peso, which isn't the same as Mexican peso06:25
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nixternalya, you scared me a little there06:28
Jucato:P06:30
Daskreechwell if 1500 is not enough anyway....06:31
Alpha_Clusterlol06:31
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nixternalheh, considering for me to purchase a house, I am looking at about $350,00006:31
Alpha_Clusteryeah but did they say anything about living arangements?>06:32
nixternalthey will move me and set me up with a condo06:35
nixternalthis sucks, I have a year left before I finish my business degree, and I want to go right now06:35
nixternalso I am guessing, in about 16 months, I will be oceanside hacking in Mexico!06:36
nixternalwho is coming to visit?06:36
Alpha_Clusterlol06:36
Alpha_Clusterso now you l9ike that idea?06:36
Jucatohhehe :)06:36
nixternalhttp://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=48906:37
nixternalthat has my name written all over it, if only it was about 1mi further west :)06:37
Alpha_Clusterlol06:38
nixternalto live in Cabo San Lucas Mexico right now, I would take a hotel job06:38
nixternalhttp://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=48606:38
nixternalread the first sentence... imbrandon ^^ I would be drunk daily06:38
nixternalI am going to bed, this has gotten me way to excited for one night06:40
nixternalg'nite all06:40
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Jucatooh no :(08:44
Hobbseeyep :(08:45
ajmitchat uni?08:45
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Hobbseeajmitch: no, coming out of work.08:47
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_al_hello08:50
Hobbseehi08:50
_al_is it known problem that konqueror on 64-bit feisty doesn't display any wep pages?08:50
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_al_64-bit ff from installation source works ok08:51
Hobbseeis there a bug filed on it already?08:51
_al_Hobbsee: where can I check it?08:52
Hobbsee_al_: the ubuntu bugtracker.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/08:53
_al_I don't find this kind of bug08:56
_al_could someone else test konqueror on 64-bit feisty?08:57
_al_konqueror shows the icon of page beside the address bar08:57
Ayabarawhat is the name of the packe I need for Qt headers and libraries?09:00
HobbseeAyabara: kde-devel.  libqt4-dev, iirc.09:01
Hobbseebut kde-devel has all of them09:01
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AyabaraHobbsee, thanks. I'm building krusader, so I'll just take kde-devel to be on the safe side09:02
HobbseeAyabara: try apt-get build-dep krusader then09:02
JucatoAyabara: libqt3-mt-dev (or libqt4-dev for Qt4)09:03
JucatoHobbsee: kde-devel doesn't install the Qt headers09:03
Ayabarathanks for the tips09:04
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HobbseeJucato: dodgy.09:06
Jucato:)09:06
Jucatois it as dodgy as nvidia-glx not linux-restricted-modules-generic (or linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ) with it?09:07
AyabaraI get a warning that my QTDIR variable is empty. do I need to set this one?09:07
Jucatoafter you've installed libqt3-mt-dev?09:08
AyabaraJucato, yep09:09
Jucatohm...09:09
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AyabaraI'm in ubuntu instead of kubuntu now, because I have some problems with two monitors and kubuntu. is that relevant?09:10
Hobbseeshouldnt do09:10
Hobbseemight help if you restart gnome-terminal or whatever you're using, though, so that the variables get set09:10
Jucatodid you install kdelibs4-dev already (kde headers)09:10
JucatoHobbsee: btw, normally I'd recommend installing kde-devel directly... but after what I observed in upgrading to kubuntu.org KDE packages... I'm a bit reluctant... :(09:11
HobbseeJucato: *shrug* - they're slightly broken?09:12
JucatoHobbsee: the KDE 3.5.6 packages didn't include a the kde-devel, kdebase, kde-core metapackages... (remember I asked you about it before) somehow that sort of conflicted a bit when I was trying to dist-upgrade09:13
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Ayabarait's not set even if I restart konsole. is it vital?09:13
Jucatoanyway... that's over now... :)09:14
HobbseeJucato: ahh, yes, i remember something about that now09:14
Hobbseeyes, it would, if kde-devel etc wasnt a part of kde 3.5.609:15
JucatoHobbsee: are you suing the "Name (Description)" format in your K Menu?09:19
Hobbseeyes09:19
Jucatoum.. is it showing the parenthesis? like Amarok (Audio Player)?09:20
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Ayabaracan I set the qtdir manually then?09:22
Hobbseeseems to be, yes09:22
Jucatohm.. so we reverted to a previous behavior?09:22
JucatoAyabara: afaik yes. export the QTDIR variable... just don't know the correct path for it...09:23
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Hobbseeit's /usr/qt3, iirc09:23
Hobbseeor /usr09:23
AyabaraJucato, Hobbsee, I don't have the /usr/qt3 dir09:25
Hobbseemust be somewhere else then09:25
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JucatoAyabara: most probably you will use QTDIR=/usr09:26
Jucatoin #kubuntu?09:26
Hobbseeno09:26
Jucatoah09:26
HobbseeJucato: ubuntu-devel, ubuntu, ubuntu-offtopic09:26
Jucatoouch09:26
Jucatogood thing I'm not there :P09:26
Hobbseehe's not really started trolling yet, and i cant kickban on sight09:27
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Jucatobtw.. Feisty's kernel is 2.6.20.. does that mean we have the built-in read/write NTFS support?09:29
Hobbseethere he goes.09:30
Hobbseeand he's filing an official complaint to the ops council09:30
Jucatohehe :)09:30
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Hobbseego for it.09:31
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stdinI would be right in thinking that, seeing as I don't have voice in #ubuntu-ops, my "hey Hobbsee" back wasn't heard? :P09:48
Hobbseestdin: it was09:50
Hobbseestdin: it's not moderated at the moment09:50
Hobbseestdin: i'm writing a prac out too, hence the lack of reply, and rejecting PEBKAC bugs09:50
Hobbsee"my kernel doesnt fully work" - yes, that's because you havent actually updated all of your kernel, only some of it.09:50
stdinheh09:51
stdinI'm just trying to figure out hoe to "detect" a gnome session from a script09:51
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imbrandondetect how? as in if one is running ?10:16
imbrandonps ax|grep gnome-session ?10:16
stdinthat's what I'm doing10:18
stdinbut what if one user is on KDE, and one is on KDR?10:18
stdin*KDE10:18
imbrandonguess it depends on what you are trying to do10:18
stdinjust detect what environment the user is running to specialise a command to kde or gnome10:20
Jucatostdin: just a hunch... take a look at the Amarok script to install MP3 codecs that Tonio made. I think it has a sort of detection.. but not sure if it tried to detect the session or the presence/absence of an app...10:21
imbrandonhave a look at install-mp3 from amarok10:21
JucatoO.o10:21
stdinwhat I'm using now is, "ps aux|grep gnome-session|grep $USER", but I want a "better" way10:22
imbrandonJucato, Ridd*ell made that fyi, iirc ( not that it hasent been hacked on by almost all of us hehehe )10:22
imbrandonstdin, as i said check the way install-mp3 does the check10:22
Jucatoimbrandon: ah ok. sorry for the misattribution.. :)10:22
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imbrandonhe made the flash installer patch for konqui , not the flash installer script , thats from upstream debian10:24
imbrandon:)10:24
Jucatohehe ok :)10:24
stdininstall-mp3 is just a load of "if [ -x app ] ; then use it; elif [ -x app2 ]  use that; else use this, and I can do that, but what if they have *ubuntu-desktop installed10:24
imbrandonstdin, then your golden either way10:25
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stdinyeah, but I don't want a GTK style app on a Qt desktop, and vice verse. And, yes, I know i'm being picky here :P10:26
imbrandonwell your kinda screwed there by the very nature of open source, because you can have both installed10:26
imbrandonyou you really cant check for one or the other , there is no "alternatives" , and secondly you can have a gnome AND kde session going too10:27
stdinbut the user can only have 1 session running at a time, well not quite, at one login anyway10:27
imbrandoni can have 5 sessions going each with a diffrent DE ;)10:27
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stdinyeah, I meant 1 session per login10:27
imbrandonpoint is your probably going to make one "default" and fallback to the other IF you want it in the same package10:28
stdin(without getting to deep) for the average user10:28
imbrandonno i can login once, and have 5 sessions going , each with a diffrtent DE10:28
stdinI can detect if KDE is running, easy, just use a dcop command10:28
imbrandonsure, but can you detect if thats what i'm using ?10:29
imbrandoni may have it running, then click on your app from a fluxbox de session, but ps ax|grep startkde will be ther and dcop will work10:29
imbrandonsee ?10:29
ajmitchmmm, beer10:29
Jucatobeer? on a friday? hm... :)10:30
stdinbahh, I give, lots of if statements for me then :P10:31
imbrandonor just create two packages ;)10:32
stdinit's just a script, and I don't feel like having script-gtk and script-kde, just lazy I guess10:32
imbrandonbut to tell you the honest truth , if your only worried about the toolkit ( e.g. look of it ) and not intergration and using the features of one toolkit and libs vs another, ubuntu/kubuntu have packages installed by default that make gtk look qt in kde and vice versa10:33
imbrandonso if your not using say khtml vs geko or something, your better off just picking one, it will look ok anyhow10:33
stdinyeah, It just captured my curiosity, wanted to see if i could do it :)10:34
imbrandon( and have a fallback incase the other isnt installed , like install-mp3 falls back to plain old xdialog )10:34
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_StefanS_mornings :)10:36
Jucato_StefanS_: !!!!!!10:37
_StefanS_hey you10:37
_StefanS_havent you gone sleeping yet ?10:37
_StefanS_it must be very late hehe10:37
Jucatohm.. 5:36 PM :D10:37
_StefanS_heh ZzzzZzz10:37
JucatoI have another "bug" for you :)10:37
Jucato:P10:38
_StefanS_heh, why am I not suprised10:38
_StefanS_I have to get some coffee, or else I will die on the keyboard soon.. brb10:38
Jucatoit's not that "critical" anyway.. maybe can be put off for some other time if you want :D10:38
_StefanS_ok back10:41
_StefanS_Jucato: I'm curious, let me know :)10:42
Jucatoif (doUbuntuLogout=0) RestartButton = NOT_WORKING;10:43
Jucato(yeah I know, terrible code)10:43
_StefanS_what the ..10:44
_StefanS_hm10:44
Jucatobut like I said, it's not critical because few people will probably be using the old logout menu (or would know how to revert to the old one) :D10:44
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_StefanS_hmm thats weird, because both the new and the old restart button use the same : connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(slotReboot())); <old ===new>  connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(slotReboot()));10:46
_StefanS_exactly the same code10:46
naught101how do I turn off unmounted media auto-mounting?10:47
naught101I unset the auto action in system settings/kcontrol, and when I start it again, it's set on again10:47
Jucato_StefanS_: maybe my system is just wacky... could you test it on yours?10:47
_StefanS_sire10:48
_StefanS_sure10:48
Jucatoon your very reliable vmware system :)10:48
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_StefanS_luckily i have a vmware image to test it on..10:48
_StefanS_its booting, so lets see10:48
Jucatohm.. btw, I'm guessing that there's another separate setting to change the "Shutdown" dialog box in the Login screen back to the old one, right?10:49
naught101if I go to kcontrol>peripherals>storage media>unmounted removable media, and toggle the auto-action for "open in new window" off, it comes back next time I open kcontrol...10:50
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naught101I can set "do nothing" as the auto action, but I can't turn the auto action off...10:52
naught101and even with "do nothing" set as the auto action, everytime I edit the partitions on my USB harddrive, the partitions get mounted after every operation, which really buggers things up....10:54
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_StefanS_Jucato: It should use the same switch, however I'm not sure if it actually works11:14
_StefanS_Jucato: just add that [Logout]  \n doUbuntuLogout=0 to kdmrc11:14
Jucato_StefanS_: ok. how about that restart button not working?11:16
_StefanS_Jucato: I haven't tested it yet11:16
_StefanS_had to do some work11:17
Jucatoah ok11:17
Jucatono worries :)11:17
_StefanS_hmm restart doesn't work - you're right11:18
Jucato:(11:18
_StefanS_hmm it must be related to the dropdown11:21
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_StefanS_if you enable grub in login manager, and select a kernel entry it works..11:23
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ajmitchhah11:24
Jucato:D11:24
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_StefanS_Jucato: cant really see what is wrong..11:31
_StefanS_Jucato: code is the same, and dont get activated at the same time11:31
Jucato:(11:31
_StefanS_Jucato: maybe there's something to find in the unpatched kdebase11:32
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Jucatoheh :)11:32
Jucatois it just me or has the K Menu entries reverted to having parentheses if you use the Name (Description) format?11:33
Riddelldoes seem to have11:34
RiddellI thought upstream removed the brackets11:34
Jucatoyeah I thought so too..11:35
Riddellpossibly our fault I'm not sure11:35
JucatoI asked someone from Gentoo using KDE 3.5.6 and he says he still has no parentheses... trying to look for others to confirm11:35
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_StefanS_Jucato: ah crap :) - the code was commented out for the classic button11:36
_StefanS_just noticed the // in front of the declaration11:36
Jucatoheh :)11:36
imbrandonRiddell, you catch all that ?11:39
imbrandonyay \0/11:39
Riddellyes11:41
ajmitchnow you just have to wait for NEW to be pushed through11:42
Jucatobtw, Filelight 1.0 didn't make it to Feisty? It has the fix to the crash on exit bug11:43
_StefanS_Riddell: Jucato found a bug in the classic logout (if you decide to enable it), restart button doesn't work [but is FIXED] . maybe its too much to upload just for that11:44
Riddell_StefanS_: if you have a patch that should be fine to upload11:44
_StefanS_ok11:44
_StefanS_just a removal of two /11:44
_StefanS_heh, I made a stupid mistake there..11:44
JucatoRiddell: psn says that Kubuntu Edgy w/ KDE 3.5.6 doesn't have the parenthesis in K Menu. might be a Feisty only "bug"11:45
_StefanS_Jucato: I have the paranthesis on both my feisty's11:46
Jucatohm... ok... O.o11:46
_StefanS_will try an edgy w/3.5.6 now11:46
_StefanS_edgy with 3.5.6 has parenthesis also11:48
_StefanS_I'm trying a regular edgy now11:49
JucatoSho_ pointed me to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/kicker/ui/service_mnu.cpp?view=log#rev63574311:49
Jucato_StefanS_: are both your feisty's fully updated?11:49
JucatoSho_ said aseigo returned the parentheses and made it changeable by i18n11:50
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_StefanS_Jucato: well the feisty that wasn't upgraded from edgy only have the updates yesterday11:50
RiddellJucato: that commit was after 3.5.611:51
Jucatoyeah. could it be that we somehow got kde from branches?11:52
_StefanS_however the standard edgy does not have the parenthesis even though "Name (Description)" was enabled11:52
Jucato_StefanS_: yeah. that's the "feature" in KDE 3.5.5 and 3.5.611:52
_StefanS_well I dont see the problem in _any_ 3.5.611:53
_StefanS_only with edgy and 3.5.511:53
Riddell_StefanS_: do you have the file /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL on many of your setups?11:54
_StefanS_2secs11:54
_StefanS_on my current feisty (latest upgrades)=NO11:56
_StefanS_ edgy standard=NO11:56
_StefanS_more comming..11:56
_StefanS_edgy w/3.5.6=NO11:58
_StefanS_another feisty without todays updates= NO11:59
_StefanS_so . . no xinput-all_ALL11:59
Riddellcrazy, where did it go?12:01
Riddellmaybe I just imagined it12:01
_StefanS_ehm donno.. what does it do ? :)12:01
_StefanS_nothing important I hope hehe12:01
Riddellfunky things for inputting complex characters12:02
_StefanS_uhm ok12:02
_StefanS_let me know if you want to check more12:02
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_StefanS_Tonio_: !12:06
Tonio_hey _StefanS_ ;)12:07
Jucatohi Tonio_!12:07
Tonio_hi Jucato, hi everyone12:08
_StefanS_show me the money !12:15
_StefanS_:D12:15
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Tonio__StefanS_: hehe :)12:23
Hobbseehiya12:24
_StefanS_Hobbsee12:24
Hobbsee:)12:25
Jucatohiya hiya12:26
Hobbsee:)12:26
_StefanS_Riddell: check you email , the bugfix is there for you :)12:30
_StefanS_Jucato: ^12:30
Riddell_StefanS_: why does that need to be commented out?12:33
_StefanS_Riddell: well it doesn't, it was an error from my side12:35
_StefanS_just grab the attached file, it is fixed12:36
Riddell_StefanS_: I know, it just helps to understand how it has been fixed12:39
_StefanS_yep I understand12:40
Riddell_StefanS_: the patch you sent is the opposite of what your introduction says12:41
_StefanS_ah :)12:41
Riddell> +//                   connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()),12:41
Riddellbut it removes the //12:41
_StefanS_well thats just me and diff's :D12:41
_StefanS_just ignore me12:41
Riddellso removing the comment is good?12:41
Riddell_StefanS_: is there a bug number for this?12:42
_StefanS_donno, Jucato reported it ..12:42
_StefanS_Think it was because he decided to test the classic logout, he stumbled upon that bug12:43
_StefanS_you can hold it till you have more things going into kde12:43
_StefanS_(just my opinion )12:44
Riddell_StefanS_: uploaded12:46
_StefanS_goody12:47
_StefanS_Jucato: did you get that ? or are you sleeping ? :)12:47
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Riddellhe shouldn't be sleeping at this time12:50
Hobbseeno, he wont be sleeping now12:51
Hobbseemay be eating dinner though12:51
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JucatoRiddell: no there wasn't a bug report for it. I just ran across the bug when I was playing w/ the new and old logout dialogs01:03
apokryphosgive em to wus rwarr!01:03
Jucato:D01:04
HobbseeJucato: sushi?01:05
JucatoHobbsee: nah... plain, dried, salted, fish01:06
Hobbseeahhh01:06
Jucato"crips fried sun-dried rabbitfish" <--- seems to be the English name/term for what I just ate :D01:08
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seeleexcuse my ignorance, but how easy is it to create a live CD?01:21
seeleis it possible to make a cvs/svn version?01:22
Riddellseele: it needs lots of bandwidth and disk space and memory but it's not hard01:31
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Riddellseele: version of what?  you would need .deb packages of anything you wanted on the CD01:31
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JucatoTonio_: is there a way to modify which theme the Kopete main window uses? or is stuck that?01:35
Tonio_Jucato: talk about the contact list ?01:35
Jucatoyep01:35
Tonio_Jucato: that requires a patch I removed since that causes visibility issues on high resolutions01:35
Tonio_Jucato: so no way for now01:35
Jucatoah01:35
Jucatook thanks :)01:35
Tonio_Jucato: maybe that'll be merged upstream so we'll use that then01:36
Tonio_that was discussed for kopete kde4 plan01:36
Jucatoah yeah, they're going to use that right? kool :)01:36
Tonio_yep they'll just have to fix the high res issue01:37
Jucatohm... we hid the Katapult systray icon right?01:40
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Riddellshouldn't do01:41
Jucatomust be some silly config I somehow mucked up...01:41
seeleRiddell: version of the kubuntu tools such as whatever is latest for ubiquity and system settings and etc.01:41
Riddellseele: latest versions in the archive you can get from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/01:43
Riddellseele: if there's a fix that hasn't been uploaded or has only been uploaded today so isn't on the daily CD you can get it out of revision control from the running live CD session and use that01:44
seeleRiddell: ok thanks01:44
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Hobbseefabo: poke01:55
HobbseeRiddell: with the dist-upgrader, do we first upgrade apt, then the rest, or what?02:06
HobbseeRiddell: aptitude, etc, seems to end up with broken packages, seeing as libapt seems to have an API bump02:06
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RiddellHobbsee: you let it do what it does02:09
HobbseeRiddell: a guy in #ubuntu+1 ran the kubuntu dist-upgrader, and it broke.02:09
RiddellHobbsee: can you bring him in here?02:09
HobbseeRiddell: asking02:11
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JucatoI think there are also problems w/ the kde metapackages (kde-devel, kdebase, kdelibs, and kde-core, namely) specially if installed w/ aptitude...02:11
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soulriderhi02:11
Hobbseeheya02:12
HobbseeRiddell: ^02:12
Jucatooh it's soulrider...02:12
Riddellhi soulrider, you had a problem with the dist upgrade tool?02:12
apokryphos(soulrider: you shouldn't IRC as root)02:12
soulrideri know, im usign the recovery console02:12
Hobbseeapokryphos: it's mid dist-upgrade, anything's possible :P02:13
soulriderand i dont know how to log in as me :P02:13
RiddellJucato: what problems?02:13
apokryphosHobbsee: ah, more exciting 8)02:13
soulriderRiddell: i had to cancel the dist-upgrade tool when it was downloading the packages, after i came back to kubuntu, i didnt know how to open it so i decided to do 'aptitude dist-upgrade'02:14
JucatoRiddell: I forgot to take note. but version conflicts since the Edgy KDE 3.5.6 repo doesn't seem to contain those metapackages (or something like that...) sorry I really forgot to take note02:14
apokryphossoulrider: so it was running fine before you cancelled?02:14
soulriderat the end of the upgrade it gave me some trouble with some packages so i went into the recovery console and did a dist-upgrade again, but now a dependency of adept-* and aptitude is gon02:14
soulridere02:14
soulriderapokryphos: it was02:14
soulriderits my fault i ahd to close it02:15
Riddellah, the dist-upgrade tool is non-cancellable once it has started installing stuff02:15
Riddellmaybe we should make that more clear02:15
soulriderRiddell: yeah, i had no idea about that...02:16
Riddellsoulrider: why did you have to cancel it?  because of a problem in the process or just a user issue?02:16
soulriderRiddell: i had around 850mb of updates and it was downloading at 20kb/s02:16
soulrideruser issue02:16
soulriderthe program was working alright02:16
Riddellcancelling during downloading should be fine, but during install it will break things02:16
soulriderno, it was downloading02:17
soulriderRiddell: i tried looking for the package im missing in packages.ubuntu.com and it doesnt seem to be there =/02:19
Riddellwhat are you missing?02:19
soulriderits02:19
soulriderlibapt-pkg6.4-63.5302:19
soulriderlibapt-pkg6.4-6-3.53 *02:19
Riddellthat's part of apt02:21
soulriderall adept-* packages and aptitude are broken02:21
Tonio_Riddell: next week I'll reinstall my machine and I will do a complete review of kds and all default installed apps02:23
Tonio_Riddell: can't do much in packaging now02:24
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll have to prepare the zagreb conference so I might not be available for one or 2 days02:24
Tonio_Riddell: and appart from that, howdy ? ;)02:24
Jucatoheh :)02:24
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RiddellTonio_: I'd tech you some Croat but I've completely forgotten it02:27
Riddellsoulrider: make sure apt is installed02:27
soulriderRiddell: apt is ok02:29
soulrideri can use apt-get02:29
Tonio_Riddell: hehe, I hope their english is correct, and better than french one :)02:29
Tonio_Riddell: good news is that luka will be there too :)02:29
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Hobbseeheya toma02:29
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Tonio_hi Hobbsee02:29
tomahi all02:30
Tonio_hey toma02:30
tomawhere is the kdepim bug squash party?02:31
soulrideri wish i could do more progamming and be able to help.... :(02:32
Jucatosoulrider: there are many ways to help. testing the dist-upgrader was/is one of them :)02:33
Jucatoyou can help triage bugs (so many old ones...) too02:33
soulriderJucato: as soon as we fix this (or reinstall) im gonna see if i read more aboutt hat02:34
soulrideri can do programming, just not in c++ or python :P02:34
Jucatohehe :)02:34
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UbugtuDebian bug 313671 in basket "basket: [INTL:de]  German PO file corrections" [Minor,Open] 02:35
tomaHobbsee: where does upstream live?02:38
tomakde svn?02:38
Hobbseetoma: basket.kde.org.  not sure exaclty02:38
Hobbseetoma: apparently not, based on the amarok development channel - at the moment, anyway02:38
tomaHobbsee: true, can not find the translations there02:39
tomai guess you should sent it to the maintainer02:39
tomas/t/d/02:40
Hobbseetoma: according to the upstream guy, the german translation is complete for 1.002:40
Hobbsee[00:34]  <Sebien> In 1.0, German translation is full, and I think they solved the "BasKet is also translated and it shouldn't be" issue02:40
tomathe report states he fixed some issues02:40
tomathey should be reviewed i gues02:41
soulriderim gonna reboot and try to use the new kernel02:41
tomas02:41
soulriderif that fails i think im gonna have to reinstall everything02:41
soulridergoodbye! ^_^02:41
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tomaHobbsee: do i need additional permissions to close others' bugs?02:50
Hobbseetoma: in debian or ubuntu?02:50
tomalaunchpad02:50
tomawhen i link to an upstream report that is closed, will the report be closed as well?02:51
Hobbsee!release02:54
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases02:54
Hobbseetoma: no you dont.  and no02:54
Hobbsee!feisty02:55
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)02:55
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tomaHobbsee: what should i use as status to close bugs fixed upstream?02:57
Hobbseetoma: fix released02:58
Hobbseetoma: seeing as the fix is in feisty02:58
tomak02:58
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Jucatog'night Hobbsee!!! and thanks again!03:03
Hobbseenight!03:03
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kristjan_I have a small request - could you make wallpaper postition to be "scale&crop" instead of "scale" as a default behaviour in feisty fawn?03:34
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alleetoa whi did you reject  bug  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73289  ?  the news item was in dapper (valid bug) and it's fixed in feisty.04:07
UbugtuMalone bug 73289 in kubuntu-meta "News" [Undecided,Rejected] 04:07
alleetoma ^^^04:08
tomaallee: at the top there are two entries, kdepim and kubuntu-meta04:09
tomaallee: for kubuntu-meta it was rejected already04:09
Daskreechkwwii: Is the new logout themeable?04:09
tomaallee: last comment als indicated it should be closed that way04:09
alleetoma: but for kdepim it's valid for dapper04:09
JucatoDaskreech: it's _StefanS_ work. not kwwii's04:10
Jucatoand no it isn't04:10
tomaallee: why?04:11
alleetoma: I've seen it myself there ;)04:11
alleetoma: but I don't know if it's still the case, never used plain dapper for a long time ;)04:12
tomaallee: reported did not object to last comment though04:12
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tomaallee: but i'm happy to reopen if you dont agree04:12
tomaonly i'm not sure what the solution is there04:12
alleetoma: feel free to set to fix-released04:12
alleetoma: better workaround:  dapper configure -> contact,  select componenents and diselect news.04:14
tomaallee: ok, but i doubt that has changed04:14
alleetoma: I assume that movin the news desktop file from kontact to knoda is not worth a backport04:14
alleetoma: In plain feisty I see no news entry anymore04:14
tomao ok04:15
tomafix released04:15
alleetoma: yes.04:15
tomai'll change in a sec (or feel free)04:15
alleetoma: I'll add some 'Select component' etc ...04:19
DaskreechJucato: Heehee04:20
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nixternalOK, what needs to be fixed today?04:42
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DaskreechJucato: Is it intended to have themes at some point in the future?04:57
JucatoI asked him. he's considering it04:57
Daskreechmanchicken_: ping :) on feisty?04:58
DaskreechJucato: Ok cool as long as it's planned I have enormous patience with KDE apps :)04:58
Jucatobetter yet, why not offer your help? :D04:58
DaskreechI do where it makes sense04:59
DaskreechI don't normally make sense04:59
Daskreech:-)04:59
Jucatoyou're requesting/asking about a feature that doesn't make sense? :D04:59
DaskreechI do that from time to time04:59
Daskreech I was asking for a feature in Konversation to see the last thing that someone said as long as it was in your scrollback05:00
DaskreechYeah. They pretty much put me in place :(05:01
tomathnxs allee05:04
kwwiiDaskreech: no idea whether it is themeable or not05:11
Daskreechkwwii: yeah I got an answer05:11
Daskreechkwwii: no it's not but it's possibly planed05:11
Daskreechplanned even05:11
Daskreechsad part is I just found out about themeing the old one a week before this was announced :-(05:12
kwwiilol05:12
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nixternalwoohoo, got my passes for the 2007 Ozzfest. and if you are in the US and want to go, Ozzfest 2007 is FREE!05:20
nixternalNeed Ubuntu stand that says "Ozzfest is free, and so is Ubuntu!"05:20
Jucatokwwii: btw, I just remembered something about the usplash theme05:21
Jucatokwwii: in edgy, one way to get the boot messages back while using usplash is to remove the "quite"05:21
Jucatoer..05:21
Jucato"quiet" boot option in menu.lst... but if you do that in Feisty.. the bootsplash gets broken05:22
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JucatoO.o05:23
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Jucatothe boot messages that you see if you remove "quiet"?05:24
DaskreechYup05:24
Jucatoah yeah... kinda painful to the eyes05:25
nixternalI used to remove the quiet and splash options, but I really like the new splash, so I leave it default now05:26
JucatoI'm just thinking of other who might have removed or want to remove "quiet"...05:26
tomanixternal: do you know if the splash stops when you need to enter Luks passphrase for a crypted partition?05:27
nixternalI have no clue05:28
nixternalI need to set my laptop up that way though05:28
tomai should try it05:28
gamemankhmm any chance of mouse&keyboard being renamed in system settings? bug 8536005:31
UbugtuMalone bug 85360 in kdebase "[edgy, feisty]  Missing joystick calibration applet on system configuration" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8536005:31
Jucatohi yuriy :)05:31
manchicken_Daskreech: Sorry, in a meeting.  Hit me up again later.05:32
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Jucato"hit me up again later"... doesn't that have another meaning?05:33
kwwiiJucato: ernter a bug05:35
Jucatokwwii: ok05:35
gamemankhi Jucato05:39
gamemankJucato: your blog doesn't render too well in konqueror05:54
Jucatoreally?05:55
Jucatohow ironic since I only use Konqueror :)05:55
Jucatothe only browser I'm sure it doesn't render well is in IE.. :(05:56
Jucatogamemank: what does it look like at your end?05:56
gamemankJucato: http://www.yktech.us/storage/jucatoblog.png05:57
Jucatook that's really weird..05:57
gamemankJucato: my webpage looks horrible in IE05:57
nixternalJucato: it is also a little off in FF05:59
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nixternalJucato: it looks great in Konqi05:59
nixternalwow, it looks really smooth05:59
Jucatonixternal: the Google search is off in FF right?06:00
nixternalerr, that is the homepage06:00
nixternalonly on your blog it is06:00
nixternalthe rest of the pages is good06:00
Jucatoah yeah... known issue... :(06:00
nixternalhome page is fine, the rest are off, yes06:00
Jucatothe problem really is getting enough motivation to fix it :)06:00
nixternalI like the home page though, that is nice and clean06:00
nixternalK Module looks good as well06:00
Jucatothanks06:01
Jucatothose are the only pure HTML/CSS pages :)06:01
Jucatothe blog is WP... so I'm trying to make it look the same as the other pages..06:01
nixternal/Whois and Log Module are the only ones that need to be fixed06:02
Jucatoboth are WP... thanks!06:02
Jucatook I'm really really going to get those fixed... :(06:02
nixternalhehe06:02
nixternalwhat are you using beside WP on the other pages?06:03
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JucatoHTML/CSS only...06:03
nixternalahh, I like the colors definitely and the layout is nice06:03
JucatoI got the layout template from http://www.oswd.org06:04
Jucatothe colors are from the Oxygen palette :)06:04
nixternalI wouldn't mind a rounded template, but I have to be able to use my header that I use now in my blog06:04
nixternalthe city skyline with the windows lit up as the K logo in the one building06:04
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Jucatoyay :)06:08
firephotoI noticed that kmplayer is missing the file associations, intentional or a bug?06:15
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Lurek3b 1.0 released and we do not know how to fix pbuilder problem :-(09:14
Daskreechwhoop09:15
RiddellLure: trueg suggested it might be a visibility issue09:16
Riddellseems unlikely to me09:16
LureRiddell: but how can that change between debuild and pbuilder?09:17
LureRiddell: I think it is more likely some includes (same names, different directories?)09:17
tomaout of source build?09:19
Luretoma: it works with debuild, but not in pbuilder09:20
Luretoma: out of tar works also, like debuild09:20
Luretoma: interesting is that if you compare output of debuild and pbuilder build, there is no difference (configure run, command options, paths...), so it is something in environment09:21
Lurei.e. include files...09:21
tomadebuild builds in the source dir iirc?09:21
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Luretoma: in debian/tmp, same as pbuilder (afair)09:22
tomak, let me try it anyway, if we're lucky i can reproduce it there simply09:22
RiddellLure: could be libdvdread installed?09:22
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LureRiddell: I can try, but I do not have -dev installed (which is checked by configure)09:23
eeanmy intel audio, after upgrade to 2.6.20-11, dmesg gives hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC660VD/ALC861VD, trying auto-probe from BIOS...09:23
eeanand sound no longer works09:23
eeanworked fine in -1009:24
tomaLure: what was the error again?09:24
Riddelleean: -> #ubuntu-kernel (or report a bug)09:24
eeanRiddell: ok thanks09:24
Luretoma: starts like this: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/7309:25
tomak09:26
Riddellit's an evil compile error, it doesn't even say "error" anywhere09:26
LureRiddell: it might be link error (undefined symbol)09:26
LureRiddell: but you are right, it should not be .cpp mentioned there09:27
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tomai've seen freaky visibility things in the past, i would not rule it out09:31
Luretoma: ;-)09:31
RiddellLure: I just got that error outside a pbuilder09:34
LureRiddell: did you change anything?09:34
Riddellnope09:34
LureRiddell: and you got it before?09:34
RiddellI've not compiled it outside a pbuilder before09:34
Riddellonly in one and had that error09:34
LureRiddell: ok, so we should just declare my laptop as official buildd for k3b 1.0 ;-)09:35
nixternalRiddell: do we have anything that *NEEDS* to get done ASAP?09:36
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tomaLure: what's the configure part of k3b used?09:36
tomaiow, do you have the debian folder online?09:36
Luretoma: it detects new dependancies (mp3 encoders and stuff)09:37
Daskreechnixternal: Fix *spins roulette wheel* ummm Bug#109:37
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nixternal:)09:37
nixternalOK, next?09:37
Luretoma: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=457609:37
Luretoma: just uploaded 1.009:37
tomaah, cool09:37
Luretoma: should be there in minutes09:37
Luretoma: it is basically work that was done by seaLne on rc5 and he got stuck on that same problem09:37
tomaomg09:38
Luretoma: and he could also build only on his machine (debuild) but not in pbuilder09:38
tomathat's sick09:38
tomaLure: since nixternal does not have anything to do for me, i'll spend the rest of the evening on it09:39
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Luretoma: great ;-)09:40
Lurenixternal: package mandvd?09:40
Lurenixternal: it is my birthday today, so it would be nice present for me ;-)09:40
mhbhappy birthday Luka!09:41
Luretoma: and you fixing k3b build would be even better ;-)09:41
Luremhb: thanks!09:41
mhbLure: you shouldn't do any work today, you know .o)09:41
tomaLure: i cant promise anything, if ~5 people already looked at it09:42
Luretoma: 5 people, but no Tom yet ;-)09:42
Luremhb: I am not doing anything, just delegating work ;-)09:43
nixternalhappy birthday Lure09:44
nixternalmandvd ey09:44
Lurenixternal: thanks09:45
Luretoma: 1.0 upload is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=459309:47
tomagraci09:47
Luretoma: they have built for me in debuild, trying pbuilder now09:47
Lureif any tester would like test k3b 1.0 packages (feisty i386 only): http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/k3b/09:53
Rumo_sure!!!09:53
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DaskreechHow could I find out which konqui window corresponds to a particular PID?09:55
nixternalLure: it looks pretty, K3b that is10:04
Lurenixternal: yep, nice polish10:04
nixternalworks fine here so far10:05
nixternalburns CD, rips music, folds my laundry, took the dog for a walk10:05
Lurenixternal: also here, this is why I would hate we cannot include it due to some stupid build failure :-(10:08
nixternalhrmm, you have the source? I will see if I can build it here10:09
Lurenixternal: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=459310:09
Lurenixternal: it builds with debuild here, but fails in pbuilder :-(10:10
nixternalhrmm10:10
nixternalalrighty, trying a build here really quick10:11
LureOMG! it has built in pbuilder (1.0)!!!10:18
LureRiddell: ^^^ upload quick, until it builds ;-)10:18
nixternalhaha10:19
Lurenixternal: does build works for you? toma has problem with extraction of source...10:20
tomanm10:21
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LureRiddell: shold we file UVF exception bug?10:23
LureRiddell: can we at all hope for exception after https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StringFreeze10:27
tomaLure, Riddell: From the diff between rc7 and final:10:28
toma-       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACRO"10:28
toma+       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS"10:28
tomaat least suspicious10:29
Luretoma: interesting, that might be it10:29
Luretoma: good eyes ;-)10:29
tomahehe, computers are rather smart in those things10:29
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nixternalLure: not building here10:31
Lurenixternal: where does it fail?10:31
nixternalit keeps crashing out trying to apt-get libcupsys10:31
nixternal404 IP not found10:31
nixternalgive it a bit and try again10:31
Lurenixternal: ok, environment problem - you may try pbuilder update first10:32
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nixternalLure: building now, seems fine so far10:45
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tomaLure: confirmed, it builds fine.10:49
tomahappy birthday!10:49
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aboewill k3b 1.0 released within feisty ??10:51
tomaaboe: maybe, we're not allowed to do it without permission10:52
aboeI hope they make an exceptin for this one...10:53
tomaaboe: we're pretty late in the release cycle, so they might refuse10:53
aboeit is afterall a key app in kde10:53
aboeI know that's why I asked10:53
eeanmwell it would be in backports regardless probably10:54
aboesame as the new kde-style domino...10:54
aboeI hope so10:54
aboeit is one of my favorite apps in kde10:55
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Luretoma: thanks for present ;-)11:00
tomayw!11:00
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LureRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps updated - I think you should ask for UVF exception (more probability we get it)11:04
nixternalLure: it built fine here11:05
nixternalI think that issue might have been the same issue I said about trying to get libcupsys11:05
nixternalpbuilder-feisty update fixed it11:05
nixternalso at least it seems, that or the link came back online11:05
Lurenixternal: it looks like upstream have fixed the issue (as toma pointed out)11:06
nixternalahh11:10
nixternalcool11:10
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Tonio_Riddell: on kaffeine website :11:26
Tonio_Embedded Kaffeine crash fixed.11:26
Tonio_FINALLY !11:26
Tonio_I'm testing this, so that hopefully we can get rid of the double players by default !11:26
LureTonio_: good news11:27
Lureeven though I do not use konqueror11:27
Lurebut we can get some CD space if we get rid of kmplayer, right ;-)11:28
Tonio_Lure: eventually, I just have to check the xine-lib version and make a test11:29
Tonio_Lure: k3b 1.0 final is out too, someone working on the package ?11:29
LureTonio_: done11:29
Lure;-)11:29
LureTonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps11:29
Tonio_great11:30
LureTonio_: we just need to ping Riddell to get exception and testers in #kubuntu-testers are testing it already11:30
LureTonio_: feisty will rock ;-)11:30
Tonio_Lure: needs uvf exception right ?11:31
LureTonio_: right11:31
LureTonio_: I am a bit concerned as StirngFreeze has passed11:32
LureTonio_: not sure if this is so important for us, as Rosetta is not used that much for KDE11:32
Tonio_yep11:32
Tonio_hum, looks like kaffeine fix requires a cvs version of the xine-libs....11:33
tomaLure: filter out the patch and add only that?11:33
Luretoma: we have 0.12 in repo currently11:33
tomao ok nm then11:34
Luretoma: I am sure that we can get exception if Riddell ask nicely ;-)11:34
DaskreechWhen was #kubuntu-testers opened?11:36
Tonio_Lure: looks like our xine version is compatible, great11:36
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LureDaskreech: a month or so (mhb started it afair)11:38
DaskreechNice11:38
soulriderRiddell: you there ?11:38
soulriderhi Daskreech11:39
Luresoulrider: does not look like ;-)11:39
Luresoulrider: at least he is not responding to my pings ;-)11:39
Daskreechsoulrider: hey11:40
soulriderok Lure11:40
Daskreech got your upgrade problem worked out?11:40
soulriderno das11:40
soulrideri tried installing another kernel11:40
soulriderbut it wouldnt let me do anything at all11:40
soulrideri was even getting kernel panics from ym old kernels!11:40
soulrideri eventually reinstalled11:40
DaskreechHmm sounds like a job for a live Cd :)11:40
soulriderit all went so bonkers11:41
soulriderim actually really tempted to try to upgrade again :P11:41
soulriderbut im starting college again on monday so i kind of need this to actually work :P11:42
Daskreechsoulrider: good man :)11:42
DaskreechI'm going to upgrade to Feisty the weekend that it goes Beta11:42
soulrideri cant wait for feisty11:43
soulrideri have been using kubuntu since dapper came out11:43
soulriderand i still act like a jap[anese schoolgirl when updates come out!11:43
DaskreechYeah I know. I'm Thinking it's better than Edgy which was way better than Dapper :-)11:43
Lureanyway, time for bed - good night all!11:43
Daskreechsoulrider: imagine the KDE4 CD :)11:44
tomanite11:44
soulridernight!11:44
soulriderDaskreech: it will come with kde4 ?11:44
Riddellsoulrider: yes11:44
soulrideri stillk have so much programming to learn!!11:45
DaskreechUmm.11:45
RiddellLure: what news?11:45
soulrideri can program in java but thats it, im completely useless without it11:45
DaskreechYeah :) I think that was the motivation behind naming it the KDE4 CD :)11:45
LureRiddell: k3b is ready for UVFe - 1.0 builds in pbuilder11:45
LureRiddell: toma found that upstream fixed one define11:45
LureRiddell: toma, nixternal have built it successfuly and at least 4 people run successful tests with it11:46
DaskreechProbably going to have to steal myself to reinstall when KubuntuDE4 comes out11:46
LureRiddell: we just need you to get UVF exception ;-)11:46
RiddellLure: got source package for me to try?11:47
LureRiddell: and I wish you a bit more luch as with kde4 packages11:47
LureRiddell: revu11:47
LureRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=459311:47
Riddellthe KDE 4 packages are in :)11:47
LureRiddell: really!?11:47
Riddellwell, in NEW11:47
LureRiddell: so who approved the exception?11:48
soulriderRiddell: are you in charge of the installer ?11:48
RiddellLure: Kubuntu Council did, remember?11:49
Riddellsoulrider: the KDE frontend of it11:49
soulrideri see11:49
soulriderbecause i think whats really needed is to be able to choose what packages you want installed11:49
soulriderlike the suse installation11:49
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soulrideri dont like to compare, but i think we need it11:49
soulridersee ya Lure11:49
Riddellsoulrider: task selection is available in the alternate installer.  it's not really possible in the live installer (or in my opinion desirable)11:52
soulriderRiddell: i didnt know about that, i guess ill use the alternate for feisty then11:52
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Tonio_Riddell: fix for kaffeine requires a patch for xine, merged cvs11:59
Tonio_Riddell: is that too late to consider patching xine just for our kubuntu issues ?12:00
rbrunhuberIf i have a binary that is not stripped and the source how can i debug this?12:04
RiddellTonio_: post beta I think12:05
RiddellTonio_: and it's too late to get rid of kmplayer or play around with mimetypes for feisty12:05
Riddellrbrunhuber: gdb mybinary   run   bt12:05
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Tonio_Riddell: hum, true for kmplayer, but concerning mimetypes, that's just a matter of removing them from kds, nothing to play with....12:06
Tonio_Riddell: just one week too late :(12:06
yuriyas to playing around with mimetypes, how about the archive descriptions being in french?12:06
Riddellarchive descrptions?12:06
RiddellTonio_: yes, it's a shame, but it'll get lots of testing for feisty+112:07
nixternalhow can I change the Guidance batter icons?12:07
Tonio_yuriy: french sucks !12:08
yuriyRiddell: nevermind! i think it was fixed12:08
Tonio_yuriy: tu parles de la description des packets ?12:09
yuriyTonio_: oui je pense, mais je ne peut pas trouver la probleme maintenant12:09
yuriy*peux12:09
Riddellnixternal: ?12:09
nixternalI want to change the icon in kicker, err, battery, not batter12:10
nixternalheh12:10
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Tonio_:-(12:11
yuriyok i found it12:11
nixternalfound it, wow, to much work12:11
yuriyhave to select multiple files12:11
yuriythen compress as is in french12:11
yuriybug 8793812:11
UbugtuMalone bug 87938 in kdeutils "Ark, feisty, Compress menu in French" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8793812:11
Tonio_yuriy: that's in french here12:11
Tonio_yuriy: ho you mean that's in french on an english desktop ?12:12
yuriyTonio_: is everything on your screen in french? ;)12:12
Tonio_yuriy: well I am french so... :)12:12
yuriyyeah, this is on an english desktop12:12
Tonio_yuriy: okay, sounds logic I couldn't see the problem :)12:12
rbrunhuberRiddell: what does bt mean?12:13
Riddellrbrunhuber: back trace12:13
rbrunhuberRiddell: sorry got it just had to remove the -- before my arguments for the program12:14

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