[12:20] <yuriy> which character did we end up with for passwords?
[12:20] <yuriy> bug 75496
[12:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75496 in kdelibs "Dots in password entry field too big" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75496
[01:28] <Riddell> alleeEdgy32: mailman unsubscribed you from kubuntu-devel for bouncing
[01:40] <imbrandon> moins
[01:41] <Riddell> hola
[01:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, you gonna make the MC meeting to plead the KDE4 case ( i will be there )
[01:51] <Jucato> moin imbrandon! :D
[01:51] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[02:04] <Jucato> yikes! ubuntu.com has a new face
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm, when is that?
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: ug, early
[02:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, probably, but I should go to bed now
[02:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok, i'll be there too, i've been chiming in on irc alot
[02:17] <imbrandon> aobut it
[02:17] <imbrandon> sleep well
[02:17] <Jucato> g'night Riddell! :)
[02:19] <ajmitch> night Riddell
[02:24] <Jucato> claydoh: ping
[02:26] <claydoh> Jucato: pong!
[02:27] <Jucato> spam in KFN. search for "nokia n95" :)
[02:27] <claydoh> dang just got home fromone job, already on the next :0
[02:28] <Jucato> heheh sorry :)
[02:32] <claydoh> s'ok, all taken care of, about 10 reports from users im mmy inbox :)
[02:32] <claydoh> usually someone else beats me to them
[02:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:33] <claydoh> I only get pms from bad post reports, and the occaisional support questionm
[02:33] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:03] <Daskreech> KFN?
[03:03] <Jucato> KubuntuForums.Net
[03:05] <nixternal> Kentucky Fried Nuggets
[03:06] <Jucato> gr.. you just made me hungrier...
[03:06] <Jucato> and since it's a friday, I can't eat meat :(
[03:06] <claydoh> kernel farking nutjobs
[03:06] <nixternal> thursday here :)
[03:07] <ajmitch> Jucato: don't worry, lent will be over soon :)
[03:07] <Jucato> :D
[03:08] <Jucato> yeah... but part of me doesn't want holy week to come soon... coz it means tons of work for me :(
[03:08] <ajmitch> heh
[03:10] <ajmitch> you will be busy..
[03:10] <Jucato> and unofficially an errand boy....
[03:10] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:10] <Jucato> sucks to be the youngest male in the council
[03:17] <Daskreech> Jucato: You can't eat meat on Fridays?
[03:17] <jjesse> fish is allowed
[03:17] <Jucato> Daskreech: nope. jjesse: yep :D
[03:18] <Daskreech> Lent?
[03:18] <ajmitch> yep
[03:18] <Jucato> yep
[03:19] <Daskreech> ah ok
[04:59] <Daskreech> Jucato: that guy who just logged out
[04:59] <Daskreech>  is that allowed?
[05:14] <nixternal> Daskreech: which guy? the fuk! guy?
[05:14] <Daskreech> Yeah
[05:14] <nixternal> no, but he didn't stay long enough for a warning :)
[05:14] <Daskreech> Ok just wanted to know
[05:16] <nixternal> heh, beta got nabbed by the flood script
[05:17] <nixternal> I forgot to unload that earlier, glad I was around
[05:57] <Jucato> Daskreech: sorry I was busy eating fish
[05:57] <Daskreech> Ha ha :)
[06:00] <Daskreech> are you limited in the type of fish you can eat>
[06:00] <Daskreech> ?
[06:00] <Jucato> no
[06:01] <Jucato> actually I don't have to eat fish. just anything != meat
[06:03] <Daskreech> Why can't you eat meat?
[06:03] <Daskreech> Don't say lent :-P whats the reasoning behind it
[06:03] <Jucato> Lent
[06:03] <nixternal> lol
[06:03] <Jucato> :D
[06:04] <Jucato> actually, if I were a vegetarian, I would be eating meat today... if going by the reasoning behind it
[06:19] <Daskreech> Which is?
[06:19] <Daskreech> Give up something you normally subsist on?
[06:20] <Jucato> give up something you normally like/do/eat/crave
[06:20] <Jucato> for one day a week
[06:22] <Daskreech> So for me it would be lack of sleep?
[06:23] <nixternal> hey, I received a job offer for 17,000 pesos a month. is that good?
[06:23] <Daskreech> Xe.com
[06:23] <Jucato> around $340?
[06:24] <Daskreech> reminds me of Futurama :)
[06:24] <nixternal> that's it?
[06:24] <nixternal> lol
[06:24] <nixternal> that is a management position in Mexico?
[06:24] <Jucato> might be even lower these days...
[06:24] <nixternal> they have to pay more than that
[06:24] <Jucato> er.. which Pesos btw?
[06:24] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:25] <nixternal> Jucato: that is 1,500+ a month
[06:25] <nixternal> LOL, that is definitely not enough
[06:25] <Alpha_Cluster> mexico does use the peso
[06:25] <Jucato> nixternal: I converted that to Philippine peso, which isn't the same as Mexican peso
[06:28] <nixternal> ya, you scared me a little there
[06:30] <Jucato> :P
[06:31] <Daskreech> well if 1500 is not enough anyway....
[06:31] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:31] <nixternal> heh, considering for me to purchase a house, I am looking at about $350,000
[06:32] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah but did they say anything about living arangements?>
[06:35] <nixternal> they will move me and set me up with a condo
[06:35] <nixternal> this sucks, I have a year left before I finish my business degree, and I want to go right now
[06:36] <nixternal> so I am guessing, in about 16 months, I will be oceanside hacking in Mexico!
[06:36] <nixternal> who is coming to visit?
[06:36] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:36] <Alpha_Cluster> so now you l9ike that idea?
[06:36] <Jucato> hhehe :)
[06:37] <nixternal> http://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=489
[06:37] <nixternal> that has my name written all over it, if only it was about 1mi further west :)
[06:38] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:38] <nixternal> to live in Cabo San Lucas Mexico right now, I would take a hotel job
[06:38] <nixternal> http://www.cabovillas.com/real_estate_property.asp?PID=486
[06:38] <nixternal> read the first sentence... imbrandon ^^ I would be drunk daily
[06:40] <nixternal> I am going to bed, this has gotten me way to excited for one night
[06:40] <nixternal> g'nite all
[08:44] <Jucato> oh no :(
[08:45] <Hobbsee> yep :(
[08:45] <ajmitch> at uni?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, coming out of work.
[08:50] <_al_> hello
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hi
[08:50] <_al_> is it known problem that konqueror on 64-bit feisty doesn't display any wep pages?
[08:51] <_al_> 64-bit ff from installation source works ok
[08:51] <Hobbsee> is there a bug filed on it already?
[08:52] <_al_> Hobbsee: where can I check it?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> _al_: the ubuntu bugtracker.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/
[08:56] <_al_> I don't find this kind of bug
[08:57] <_al_> could someone else test konqueror on 64-bit feisty?
[08:57] <_al_> konqueror shows the icon of page beside the address bar
[09:00] <Ayabara> what is the name of the packe I need for Qt headers and libraries?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: kde-devel.  libqt4-dev, iirc.
[09:01] <Hobbsee> but kde-devel has all of them
[09:02] <Ayabara> Hobbsee, thanks. I'm building krusader, so I'll just take kde-devel to be on the safe side
[09:02] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: try apt-get build-dep krusader then
[09:03] <Jucato> Ayabara: libqt3-mt-dev (or libqt4-dev for Qt4)
[09:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: kde-devel doesn't install the Qt headers
[09:04] <Ayabara> thanks for the tips
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dodgy.
[09:06] <Jucato> :)
[09:07] <Jucato> is it as dodgy as nvidia-glx not linux-restricted-modules-generic (or linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) ) with it?
[09:07] <Ayabara> I get a warning that my QTDIR variable is empty. do I need to set this one?
[09:08] <Jucato> after you've installed libqt3-mt-dev?
[09:09] <Ayabara> Jucato, yep
[09:09] <Jucato> hm...
[09:10] <Ayabara> I'm in ubuntu instead of kubuntu now, because I have some problems with two monitors and kubuntu. is that relevant?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> shouldnt do
[09:10] <Hobbsee> might help if you restart gnome-terminal or whatever you're using, though, so that the variables get set
[09:10] <Jucato> did you install kdelibs4-dev already (kde headers)
[09:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: btw, normally I'd recommend installing kde-devel directly... but after what I observed in upgrading to kubuntu.org KDE packages... I'm a bit reluctant... :(
[09:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *shrug* - they're slightly broken?
[09:13] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the KDE 3.5.6 packages didn't include a the kde-devel, kdebase, kde-core metapackages... (remember I asked you about it before) somehow that sort of conflicted a bit when I was trying to dist-upgrade
[09:13] <Ayabara> it's not set even if I restart konsole. is it vital?
[09:14] <Jucato> anyway... that's over now... :)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh, yes, i remember something about that now
[09:15] <Hobbsee> yes, it would, if kde-devel etc wasnt a part of kde 3.5.6
[09:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you suing the "Name (Description)" format in your K Menu?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:20] <Jucato> um.. is it showing the parenthesis? like Amarok (Audio Player)?
[09:22] <Ayabara> can I set the qtdir manually then?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> seems to be, yes
[09:22] <Jucato> hm.. so we reverted to a previous behavior?
[09:23] <Jucato> Ayabara: afaik yes. export the QTDIR variable... just don't know the correct path for it...
[09:23] <Hobbsee> it's /usr/qt3, iirc
[09:23] <Hobbsee> or /usr
[09:25] <Ayabara> Jucato, Hobbsee, I don't have the /usr/qt3 dir
[09:25] <Hobbsee> must be somewhere else then
[09:26] <Jucato> Ayabara: most probably you will use QTDIR=/usr
[09:26] <Jucato> in #kubuntu?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> no
[09:26] <Jucato> ah
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ubuntu-devel, ubuntu, ubuntu-offtopic
[09:26] <Jucato> ouch
[09:26] <Jucato> good thing I'm not there :P
[09:27] <Hobbsee> he's not really started trolling yet, and i cant kickban on sight
[09:29] <Jucato> btw.. Feisty's kernel is 2.6.20.. does that mean we have the built-in read/write NTFS support?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> there he goes.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and he's filing an official complaint to the ops council
[09:30] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> go for it.
[09:48] <stdin> I would be right in thinking that, seeing as I don't have voice in #ubuntu-ops, my "hey Hobbsee" back wasn't heard? :P
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: it was
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: it's not moderated at the moment
[09:50] <Hobbsee> stdin: i'm writing a prac out too, hence the lack of reply, and rejecting PEBKAC bugs
[09:50] <Hobbsee> "my kernel doesnt fully work" - yes, that's because you havent actually updated all of your kernel, only some of it.
[09:51] <stdin> heh
[09:51] <stdin> I'm just trying to figure out hoe to "detect" a gnome session from a script
[10:16] <imbrandon> detect how? as in if one is running ?
[10:16] <imbrandon> ps ax|grep gnome-session ?
[10:18] <stdin> that's what I'm doing
[10:18] <stdin> but what if one user is on KDE, and one is on KDR?
[10:18] <stdin> *KDE
[10:18] <imbrandon> guess it depends on what you are trying to do
[10:20] <stdin> just detect what environment the user is running to specialise a command to kde or gnome
[10:21] <Jucato> stdin: just a hunch... take a look at the Amarok script to install MP3 codecs that Tonio made. I think it has a sort of detection.. but not sure if it tried to detect the session or the presence/absence of an app...
[10:21] <imbrandon> have a look at install-mp3 from amarok
[10:21] <Jucato> O.o
[10:22] <stdin> what I'm using now is, "ps aux|grep gnome-session|grep $USER", but I want a "better" way
[10:22] <imbrandon> Jucato, Ridd*ell made that fyi, iirc ( not that it hasent been hacked on by almost all of us hehehe )
[10:22] <imbrandon> stdin, as i said check the way install-mp3 does the check
[10:22] <Jucato> imbrandon: ah ok. sorry for the misattribution.. :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> he made the flash installer patch for konqui , not the flash installer script , thats from upstream debian
[10:24] <imbrandon> :)
[10:24] <Jucato> hehe ok :)
[10:24] <stdin> install-mp3 is just a load of "if [ -x app ] ; then use it; elif [ -x app2 ]  use that; else use this, and I can do that, but what if they have *ubuntu-desktop installed
[10:25] <imbrandon> stdin, then your golden either way
[10:26] <stdin> yeah, but I don't want a GTK style app on a Qt desktop, and vice verse. And, yes, I know i'm being picky here :P
[10:26] <imbrandon> well your kinda screwed there by the very nature of open source, because you can have both installed
[10:27] <imbrandon> you you really cant check for one or the other , there is no "alternatives" , and secondly you can have a gnome AND kde session going too
[10:27] <stdin> but the user can only have 1 session running at a time, well not quite, at one login anyway
[10:27] <imbrandon> i can have 5 sessions going each with a diffrent DE ;)
[10:27] <stdin> yeah, I meant 1 session per login
[10:28] <imbrandon> point is your probably going to make one "default" and fallback to the other IF you want it in the same package
[10:28] <stdin> (without getting to deep) for the average user
[10:28] <imbrandon> no i can login once, and have 5 sessions going , each with a diffrtent DE
[10:28] <stdin> I can detect if KDE is running, easy, just use a dcop command
[10:29] <imbrandon> sure, but can you detect if thats what i'm using ?
[10:29] <imbrandon> i may have it running, then click on your app from a fluxbox de session, but ps ax|grep startkde will be ther and dcop will work
[10:29] <imbrandon> see ?
[10:29] <ajmitch> mmm, beer
[10:30] <Jucato> beer? on a friday? hm... :)
[10:31] <stdin> bahh, I give, lots of if statements for me then :P
[10:32] <imbrandon> or just create two packages ;)
[10:32] <stdin> it's just a script, and I don't feel like having script-gtk and script-kde, just lazy I guess
[10:33] <imbrandon> but to tell you the honest truth , if your only worried about the toolkit ( e.g. look of it ) and not intergration and using the features of one toolkit and libs vs another, ubuntu/kubuntu have packages installed by default that make gtk look qt in kde and vice versa
[10:33] <imbrandon> so if your not using say khtml vs geko or something, your better off just picking one, it will look ok anyhow
[10:34] <stdin> yeah, It just captured my curiosity, wanted to see if i could do it :)
[10:34] <imbrandon> ( and have a fallback incase the other isnt installed , like install-mp3 falls back to plain old xdialog )
[10:36] <_StefanS_> mornings :)
[10:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: !!!!!!
[10:37] <_StefanS_> hey you
[10:37] <_StefanS_> havent you gone sleeping yet ?
[10:37] <_StefanS_> it must be very late hehe
[10:37] <Jucato> hm.. 5:36 PM :D
[10:37] <_StefanS_> heh ZzzzZzz
[10:37] <Jucato> I have another "bug" for you :)
[10:38] <Jucato> :P
[10:38] <_StefanS_> heh, why am I not suprised
[10:38] <_StefanS_> I have to get some coffee, or else I will die on the keyboard soon.. brb
[10:38] <Jucato> it's not that "critical" anyway.. maybe can be put off for some other time if you want :D
[10:41] <_StefanS_> ok back
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm curious, let me know :)
[10:43] <Jucato> if (doUbuntuLogout=0) RestartButton = NOT_WORKING;
[10:43] <Jucato> (yeah I know, terrible code)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> what the ..
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hm
[10:44] <Jucato> but like I said, it's not critical because few people will probably be using the old logout menu (or would know how to revert to the old one) :D
[10:46] <_StefanS_> hmm thats weird, because both the new and the old restart button use the same : connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(slotReboot())); <old [10:46] <_StefanS_> exactly the same code
[10:47] <naught101> how do I turn off unmounted media auto-mounting?
[10:47] <naught101> I unset the auto action in system settings/kcontrol, and when I start it again, it's set on again
[10:47] <Jucato> _StefanS_: maybe my system is just wacky... could you test it on yours?
[10:48] <_StefanS_> sire
[10:48] <_StefanS_> sure
[10:48] <Jucato> on your very reliable vmware system :)
[10:48] <_StefanS_> luckily i have a vmware image to test it on..
[10:48] <_StefanS_> its booting, so lets see
[10:49] <Jucato> hm.. btw, I'm guessing that there's another separate setting to change the "Shutdown" dialog box in the Login screen back to the old one, right?
[10:50] <naught101> if I go to kcontrol>peripherals>storage media>unmounted removable media, and toggle the auto-action for "open in new window" off, it comes back next time I open kcontrol...
[10:52] <naught101> I can set "do nothing" as the auto action, but I can't turn the auto action off...
[10:54] <naught101> and even with "do nothing" set as the auto action, everytime I edit the partitions on my USB harddrive, the partitions get mounted after every operation, which really buggers things up....
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: It should use the same switch, however I'm not sure if it actually works
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just add that [Logout]  \n doUbuntuLogout=0 to kdmrc
[11:16] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ok. how about that restart button not working?
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I haven't tested it yet
[11:17] <_StefanS_> had to do some work
[11:17] <Jucato> ah ok
[11:17] <Jucato> no worries :)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> hmm restart doesn't work - you're right
[11:18] <Jucato> :(
[11:21] <_StefanS_> hmm it must be related to the dropdown
[11:23] <_StefanS_> if you enable grub in login manager, and select a kernel entry it works..
[11:24] <ajmitch> hah
[11:24] <Jucato> :D
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: cant really see what is wrong..
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: code is the same, and dont get activated at the same time
[11:31] <Jucato> :(
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe there's something to find in the unpatched kdebase
[11:32] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:33] <Jucato> is it just me or has the K Menu entries reverted to having parentheses if you use the Name (Description) format?
[11:34] <Riddell> does seem to have
[11:34] <Riddell> I thought upstream removed the brackets
[11:35] <Jucato> yeah I thought so too..
[11:35] <Riddell> possibly our fault I'm not sure
[11:35] <Jucato> I asked someone from Gentoo using KDE 3.5.6 and he says he still has no parentheses... trying to look for others to confirm
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah crap :) - the code was commented out for the classic button
[11:36] <_StefanS_> just noticed the // in front of the declaration
[11:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:39] <imbrandon> Riddell, you catch all that ?
[11:39] <imbrandon> yay \0/
[11:41] <Riddell> yes
[11:42] <ajmitch> now you just have to wait for NEW to be pushed through
[11:43] <Jucato> btw, Filelight 1.0 didn't make it to Feisty? It has the fix to the crash on exit bug
[11:44] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Jucato found a bug in the classic logout (if you decide to enable it), restart button doesn't work [but is FIXED] . maybe its too much to upload just for that
[11:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if you have a patch that should be fine to upload
[11:44] <_StefanS_> ok
[11:44] <_StefanS_> just a removal of two /
[11:44] <_StefanS_> heh, I made a stupid mistake there..
[11:45] <Jucato> Riddell: psn says that Kubuntu Edgy w/ KDE 3.5.6 doesn't have the parenthesis in K Menu. might be a Feisty only "bug"
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I have the paranthesis on both my feisty's
[11:46] <Jucato> hm... ok... O.o
[11:46] <_StefanS_> will try an edgy w/3.5.6 now
[11:48] <_StefanS_> edgy with 3.5.6 has parenthesis also
[11:49] <_StefanS_> I'm trying a regular edgy now
[11:49] <Jucato> Sho_ pointed me to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/kicker/ui/service_mnu.cpp?view=log#rev635743
[11:49] <Jucato> _StefanS_: are both your feisty's fully updated?
[11:50] <Jucato> Sho_ said aseigo returned the parentheses and made it changeable by i18n
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well the feisty that wasn't upgraded from edgy only have the updates yesterday
[11:51] <Riddell> Jucato: that commit was after 3.5.6
[11:52] <Jucato> yeah. could it be that we somehow got kde from branches?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> however the standard edgy does not have the parenthesis even though "Name (Description)" was enabled
[11:52] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yeah. that's the "feature" in KDE 3.5.5 and 3.5.6
[11:53] <_StefanS_> well I dont see the problem in _any_ 3.5.6
[11:53] <_StefanS_> only with edgy and 3.5.5
[11:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: do you have the file /etc/alternatives/xinput-all_ALL on many of your setups?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> 2secs
[11:56] <_StefanS_> on my current feisty (latest upgrades)=NO
[11:56] <_StefanS_>  edgy standard=NO
[11:56] <_StefanS_> more comming..
[11:58] <_StefanS_> edgy w/3.5.6=NO
[11:59] <_StefanS_> another feisty without todays updates= NO
[11:59] <_StefanS_> so . . no xinput-all_ALL
[12:01] <Riddell> crazy, where did it go?
[12:01] <Riddell> maybe I just imagined it
[12:01] <_StefanS_> ehm donno.. what does it do ? :)
[12:01] <_StefanS_> nothing important I hope hehe
[12:02] <Riddell> funky things for inputting complex characters
[12:02] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[12:02] <_StefanS_> let me know if you want to check more
[12:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: !
[12:07] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ ;)
[12:07] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[12:08] <Tonio_> hi Jucato, hi everyone
[12:15] <_StefanS_> show me the money !
[12:15] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hiya
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee
[12:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:26] <Jucato> hiya hiya
[12:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: check you email , the bugfix is there for you :)
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ^
[12:33] <Riddell> _StefanS_: why does that need to be commented out?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well it doesn't, it was an error from my side
[12:36] <_StefanS_> just grab the attached file, it is fixed
[12:39] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I know, it just helps to understand how it has been fixed
[12:40] <_StefanS_> yep I understand
[12:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the patch you sent is the opposite of what your introduction says
[12:41] <_StefanS_> ah :)
[12:41] <Riddell> > +//                   connect(btnReboot, SIGNAL(clicked()),
[12:41] <Riddell> but it removes the //
[12:41] <_StefanS_> well thats just me and diff's :D
[12:41] <_StefanS_> just ignore me
[12:41] <Riddell> so removing the comment is good?
[12:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: is there a bug number for this?
[12:42] <_StefanS_> donno, Jucato reported it ..
[12:43] <_StefanS_> Think it was because he decided to test the classic logout, he stumbled upon that bug
[12:43] <_StefanS_> you can hold it till you have more things going into kde
[12:44] <_StefanS_> (just my opinion )
[12:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: uploaded
[12:47] <_StefanS_> goody
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you get that ? or are you sleeping ? :)
[12:50] <Riddell> he shouldn't be sleeping at this time
[12:51] <Hobbsee> no, he wont be sleeping now
[12:51] <Hobbsee> may be eating dinner though
[01:03] <Jucato> Riddell: no there wasn't a bug report for it. I just ran across the bug when I was playing w/ the new and old logout dialogs
[01:03] <apokryphos> give em to wus rwarr!
[01:04] <Jucato> :D
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sushi?
[01:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nah... plain, dried, salted, fish
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:08] <Jucato> "crips fried sun-dried rabbitfish" <--- seems to be the English name/term for what I just ate :D
[01:21] <seele> excuse my ignorance, but how easy is it to create a live CD?
[01:22] <seele> is it possible to make a cvs/svn version?
[01:31] <Riddell> seele: it needs lots of bandwidth and disk space and memory but it's not hard
[01:31] <Riddell> seele: version of what?  you would need .deb packages of anything you wanted on the CD
[01:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: is there a way to modify which theme the Kopete main window uses? or is stuck that?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: talk about the contact list ?
[01:35] <Jucato> yep
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: that requires a patch I removed since that causes visibility issues on high resolutions
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: so no way for now
[01:35] <Jucato> ah
[01:35] <Jucato> ok thanks :)
[01:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: maybe that'll be merged upstream so we'll use that then
[01:36] <Tonio_> that was discussed for kopete kde4 plan
[01:36] <Jucato> ah yeah, they're going to use that right? kool :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> yep they'll just have to fix the high res issue
[01:40] <Jucato> hm... we hid the Katapult systray icon right?
[01:41] <Riddell> shouldn't do
[01:41] <Jucato> must be some silly config I somehow mucked up...
[01:41] <seele> Riddell: version of the kubuntu tools such as whatever is latest for ubiquity and system settings and etc.
[01:43] <Riddell> seele: latest versions in the archive you can get from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[01:44] <Riddell> seele: if there's a fix that hasn't been uploaded or has only been uploaded today so isn't on the daily CD you can get it out of revision control from the running live CD session and use that
[01:44] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[01:55] <Hobbsee> fabo: poke
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with the dist-upgrader, do we first upgrade apt, then the rest, or what?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: aptitude, etc, seems to end up with broken packages, seeing as libapt seems to have an API bump
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you let it do what it does
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: a guy in #ubuntu+1 ran the kubuntu dist-upgrader, and it broke.
[02:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you bring him in here?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: asking
[02:11] <Jucato> I think there are also problems w/ the kde metapackages (kde-devel, kdebase, kdelibs, and kde-core, namely) specially if installed w/ aptitude...
[02:11] <soulrider> hi
[02:12] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[02:12] <Jucato> oh it's soulrider...
[02:12] <Riddell> hi soulrider, you had a problem with the dist upgrade tool?
[02:12] <apokryphos> (soulrider: you shouldn't IRC as root)
[02:12] <soulrider> i know, im usign the recovery console
[02:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: it's mid dist-upgrade, anything's possible :P
[02:13] <soulrider> and i dont know how to log in as me :P
[02:13] <Riddell> Jucato: what problems?
[02:13] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: ah, more exciting 8)
[02:14] <soulrider> Riddell: i had to cancel the dist-upgrade tool when it was downloading the packages, after i came back to kubuntu, i didnt know how to open it so i decided to do 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
[02:14] <Jucato> Riddell: I forgot to take note. but version conflicts since the Edgy KDE 3.5.6 repo doesn't seem to contain those metapackages (or something like that...) sorry I really forgot to take note
[02:14] <apokryphos> soulrider: so it was running fine before you cancelled?
[02:14] <soulrider> at the end of the upgrade it gave me some trouble with some packages so i went into the recovery console and did a dist-upgrade again, but now a dependency of adept-* and aptitude is gon
[02:14] <soulrider> e
[02:14] <soulrider> apokryphos: it was
[02:15] <soulrider> its my fault i ahd to close it
[02:15] <Riddell> ah, the dist-upgrade tool is non-cancellable once it has started installing stuff
[02:15] <Riddell> maybe we should make that more clear
[02:16] <soulrider> Riddell: yeah, i had no idea about that...
[02:16] <Riddell> soulrider: why did you have to cancel it?  because of a problem in the process or just a user issue?
[02:16] <soulrider> Riddell: i had around 850mb of updates and it was downloading at 20kb/s
[02:16] <soulrider> user issue
[02:16] <soulrider> the program was working alright
[02:16] <Riddell> cancelling during downloading should be fine, but during install it will break things
[02:17] <soulrider> no, it was downloading
[02:19] <soulrider> Riddell: i tried looking for the package im missing in packages.ubuntu.com and it doesnt seem to be there =/
[02:19] <Riddell> what are you missing?
[02:19] <soulrider> its
[02:19] <soulrider> libapt-pkg6.4-63.53
[02:19] <soulrider> libapt-pkg6.4-6-3.53 *
[02:21] <Riddell> that's part of apt
[02:21] <soulrider> all adept-* packages and aptitude are broken
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: next week I'll reinstall my machine and I will do a complete review of kds and all default installed apps
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't do much in packaging now
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to prepare the zagreb conference so I might not be available for one or 2 days
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: and appart from that, howdy ? ;)
[02:24] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd tech you some Croat but I've completely forgotten it
[02:27] <Riddell> soulrider: make sure apt is installed
[02:29] <soulrider> Riddell: apt is ok
[02:29] <soulrider> i can use apt-get
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, I hope their english is correct, and better than french one :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news is that luka will be there too :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> heya toma
[02:29] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[02:30] <toma> hi all
[02:30] <Tonio_> hey toma
[02:31] <toma> where is the kdepim bug squash party?
[02:32] <soulrider> i wish i could do more progamming and be able to help.... :(
[02:33] <Jucato> soulrider: there are many ways to help. testing the dist-upgrader was/is one of them :)
[02:33] <Jucato> you can help triage bugs (so many old ones...) too
[02:34] <soulrider> Jucato: as soon as we fix this (or reinstall) im gonna see if i read more aboutt hat
[02:34] <soulrider> i can do programming, just not in c++ or python :P
[02:34] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:35] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 313671 in basket "basket: [INTL:de]  German PO file corrections" [Minor,Open] 
[02:38] <toma> Hobbsee: where does upstream live?
[02:38] <toma> kde svn?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> toma: basket.kde.org.  not sure exaclty
[02:38] <Hobbsee> toma: apparently not, based on the amarok development channel - at the moment, anyway
[02:39] <toma> Hobbsee: true, can not find the translations there
[02:39] <toma> i guess you should sent it to the maintainer
[02:40] <toma> s/t/d/
[02:40] <Hobbsee> toma: according to the upstream guy, the german translation is complete for 1.0
[02:40] <Hobbsee> [00:34]  <Sebien> In 1.0, German translation is full, and I think they solved the "BasKet is also translated and it shouldn't be" issue
[02:40] <toma> the report states he fixed some issues
[02:41] <toma> they should be reviewed i gues
[02:41] <soulrider> im gonna reboot and try to use the new kernel
[02:41] <toma> s
[02:41] <soulrider> if that fails i think im gonna have to reinstall everything
[02:41] <soulrider> goodbye! ^_^
[02:50] <toma> Hobbsee: do i need additional permissions to close others' bugs?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> toma: in debian or ubuntu?
[02:50] <toma> launchpad
[02:51] <toma> when i link to an upstream report that is closed, will the report be closed as well?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> !release
[02:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:54] <Hobbsee> toma: no you dont.  and no
[02:55] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[02:55] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[02:57] <toma> Hobbsee: what should i use as status to close bugs fixed upstream?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> toma: fix released
[02:58] <Hobbsee> toma: seeing as the fix is in feisty
[02:58] <toma> k
[03:03] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee!!! and thanks again!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> night!
[03:34] <kristjan_> I have a small request - could you make wallpaper postition to be "scale&crop" instead of "scale" as a default behaviour in feisty fawn?
[04:07] <allee> toa whi did you reject  bug  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73289  ?  the news item was in dapper (valid bug) and it's fixed in feisty.
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73289 in kubuntu-meta "News" [Undecided,Rejected] 
[04:08] <allee> toma ^^^
[04:09] <toma> allee: at the top there are two entries, kdepim and kubuntu-meta
[04:09] <toma> allee: for kubuntu-meta it was rejected already
[04:09] <Daskreech> kwwii: Is the new logout themeable?
[04:09] <toma> allee: last comment als indicated it should be closed that way
[04:09] <allee> toma: but for kdepim it's valid for dapper
[04:10] <Jucato> Daskreech: it's _StefanS_ work. not kwwii's
[04:10] <Jucato> and no it isn't
[04:11] <toma> allee: why?
[04:11] <allee> toma: I've seen it myself there ;)
[04:12] <allee> toma: but I don't know if it's still the case, never used plain dapper for a long time ;)
[04:12] <toma> allee: reported did not object to last comment though
[04:12] <toma> allee: but i'm happy to reopen if you dont agree
[04:12] <toma> only i'm not sure what the solution is there
[04:12] <allee> toma: feel free to set to fix-released
[04:14] <allee> toma: better workaround:  dapper configure -> contact,  select componenents and diselect news.
[04:14] <toma> allee: ok, but i doubt that has changed
[04:14] <allee> toma: I assume that movin the news desktop file from kontact to knoda is not worth a backport
[04:14] <allee> toma: In plain feisty I see no news entry anymore
[04:15] <toma> o ok
[04:15] <toma> fix released
[04:15] <allee> toma: yes.
[04:15] <toma> i'll change in a sec (or feel free)
[04:19] <allee> toma: I'll add some 'Select component' etc ...
[04:20] <Daskreech> Jucato: Heehee
[04:42] <nixternal> OK, what needs to be fixed today?
[04:57] <Daskreech> Jucato: Is it intended to have themes at some point in the future?
[04:57] <Jucato> I asked him. he's considering it
[04:58] <Daskreech> manchicken_: ping :) on feisty?
[04:58] <Daskreech> Jucato: Ok cool as long as it's planned I have enormous patience with KDE apps :)
[04:58] <Jucato> better yet, why not offer your help? :D
[04:59] <Daskreech> I do where it makes sense
[04:59] <Daskreech> I don't normally make sense
[04:59] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:59] <Jucato> you're requesting/asking about a feature that doesn't make sense? :D
[04:59] <Daskreech> I do that from time to time
[05:00] <Daskreech>  I was asking for a feature in Konversation to see the last thing that someone said as long as it was in your scrollback
[05:01] <Daskreech> Yeah. They pretty much put me in place :(
[05:04] <toma> thnxs allee
[05:11] <kwwii> Daskreech: no idea whether it is themeable or not
[05:11] <Daskreech> kwwii: yeah I got an answer
[05:11] <Daskreech> kwwii: no it's not but it's possibly planed
[05:11] <Daskreech> planned even
[05:12] <Daskreech> sad part is I just found out about themeing the old one a week before this was announced :-(
[05:12] <kwwii> lol
[05:20] <nixternal> woohoo, got my passes for the 2007 Ozzfest. and if you are in the US and want to go, Ozzfest 2007 is FREE!
[05:20] <nixternal> Need Ubuntu stand that says "Ozzfest is free, and so is Ubuntu!"
[05:21] <Jucato> kwwii: btw, I just remembered something about the usplash theme
[05:21] <Jucato> kwwii: in edgy, one way to get the boot messages back while using usplash is to remove the "quite"
[05:21] <Jucato> er..
[05:22] <Jucato> "quiet" boot option in menu.lst... but if you do that in Feisty.. the bootsplash gets broken
[05:23] <Jucato> O.o
[05:24] <Jucato> the boot messages that you see if you remove "quiet"?
[05:24] <Daskreech> Yup
[05:25] <Jucato> ah yeah... kinda painful to the eyes
[05:26] <nixternal> I used to remove the quiet and splash options, but I really like the new splash, so I leave it default now
[05:26] <Jucato> I'm just thinking of other who might have removed or want to remove "quiet"...
[05:27] <toma> nixternal: do you know if the splash stops when you need to enter Luks passphrase for a crypted partition?
[05:28] <nixternal> I have no clue
[05:28] <nixternal> I need to set my laptop up that way though
[05:28] <toma> i should try it
[05:31] <gamemank> hmm any chance of mouse&keyboard being renamed in system settings? bug 85360
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85360 in kdebase "[edgy, feisty]  Missing joystick calibration applet on system configuration" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85360
[05:31] <Jucato> hi yuriy :)
[05:32] <manchicken_> Daskreech: Sorry, in a meeting.  Hit me up again later.
[05:33] <Jucato> "hit me up again later"... doesn't that have another meaning?
[05:35] <kwwii> Jucato: ernter a bug
[05:35] <Jucato> kwwii: ok
[05:39] <gamemank> hi Jucato
[05:54] <gamemank> Jucato: your blog doesn't render too well in konqueror
[05:55] <Jucato> really?
[05:55] <Jucato> how ironic since I only use Konqueror :)
[05:56] <Jucato> the only browser I'm sure it doesn't render well is in IE.. :(
[05:56] <Jucato> gamemank: what does it look like at your end?
[05:57] <gamemank> Jucato: http://www.yktech.us/storage/jucatoblog.png
[05:57] <Jucato> ok that's really weird..
[05:57] <gamemank> Jucato: my webpage looks horrible in IE
[05:59] <nixternal> Jucato: it is also a little off in FF
[05:59] <nixternal> Jucato: it looks great in Konqi
[05:59] <nixternal> wow, it looks really smooth
[06:00] <Jucato> nixternal: the Google search is off in FF right?
[06:00] <nixternal> err, that is the homepage
[06:00] <nixternal> only on your blog it is
[06:00] <nixternal> the rest of the pages is good
[06:00] <Jucato> ah yeah... known issue... :(
[06:00] <nixternal> home page is fine, the rest are off, yes
[06:00] <Jucato> the problem really is getting enough motivation to fix it :)
[06:00] <nixternal> I like the home page though, that is nice and clean
[06:00] <nixternal> K Module looks good as well
[06:01] <Jucato> thanks
[06:01] <Jucato> those are the only pure HTML/CSS pages :)
[06:01] <Jucato> the blog is WP... so I'm trying to make it look the same as the other pages..
[06:02] <nixternal> /Whois and Log Module are the only ones that need to be fixed
[06:02] <Jucato> both are WP... thanks!
[06:02] <Jucato> ok I'm really really going to get those fixed... :(
[06:02] <nixternal> hehe
[06:03] <nixternal> what are you using beside WP on the other pages?
[06:03] <Jucato> HTML/CSS only...
[06:03] <nixternal> ahh, I like the colors definitely and the layout is nice
[06:04] <Jucato> I got the layout template from http://www.oswd.org
[06:04] <Jucato> the colors are from the Oxygen palette :)
[06:04] <nixternal> I wouldn't mind a rounded template, but I have to be able to use my header that I use now in my blog
[06:04] <nixternal> the city skyline with the windows lit up as the K logo in the one building
[06:08] <Jucato> yay :)
[06:15] <firephoto> I noticed that kmplayer is missing the file associations, intentional or a bug?
[09:14] <Lure> k3b 1.0 released and we do not know how to fix pbuilder problem :-(
[09:15] <Daskreech> whoop
[09:16] <Riddell> Lure: trueg suggested it might be a visibility issue
[09:16] <Riddell> seems unlikely to me
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: but how can that change between debuild and pbuilder?
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: I think it is more likely some includes (same names, different directories?)
[09:19] <toma> out of source build?
[09:20] <Lure> toma: it works with debuild, but not in pbuilder
[09:20] <Lure> toma: out of tar works also, like debuild
[09:21] <Lure> toma: interesting is that if you compare output of debuild and pbuilder build, there is no difference (configure run, command options, paths...), so it is something in environment
[09:21] <Lure> i.e. include files...
[09:21] <toma> debuild builds in the source dir iirc?
[09:22] <Lure> toma: in debian/tmp, same as pbuilder (afair)
[09:22] <toma> k, let me try it anyway, if we're lucky i can reproduce it there simply
[09:22] <Riddell> Lure: could be libdvdread installed?
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: I can try, but I do not have -dev installed (which is checked by configure)
[09:23] <eean> my intel audio, after upgrade to 2.6.20-11, dmesg gives hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC660VD/ALC861VD, trying auto-probe from BIOS...
[09:23] <eean> and sound no longer works
[09:24] <eean> worked fine in -10
[09:24] <toma> Lure: what was the error again?
[09:24] <Riddell> eean: -> #ubuntu-kernel (or report a bug)
[09:24] <eean> Riddell: ok thanks
[09:25] <Lure> toma: starts like this: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/73
[09:26] <toma> k
[09:26] <Riddell> it's an evil compile error, it doesn't even say "error" anywhere
[09:26] <Lure> Riddell: it might be link error (undefined symbol)
[09:27] <Lure> Riddell: but you are right, it should not be .cpp mentioned there
[09:31] <toma> i've seen freaky visibility things in the past, i would not rule it out
[09:31] <Lure> toma: ;-)
[09:34] <Riddell> Lure: I just got that error outside a pbuilder
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: did you change anything?
[09:34] <Riddell> nope
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: and you got it before?
[09:34] <Riddell> I've not compiled it outside a pbuilder before
[09:34] <Riddell> only in one and had that error
[09:35] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so we should just declare my laptop as official buildd for k3b 1.0 ;-)
[09:36] <nixternal> Riddell: do we have anything that *NEEDS* to get done ASAP?
[09:36] <toma> Lure: what's the configure part of k3b used?
[09:36] <toma> iow, do you have the debian folder online?
[09:37] <Lure> toma: it detects new dependancies (mp3 encoders and stuff)
[09:37] <Daskreech> nixternal: Fix *spins roulette wheel* ummm Bug#1
[09:37] <nixternal> :)
[09:37] <nixternal> OK, next?
[09:37] <Lure> toma: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4576
[09:37] <Lure> toma: just uploaded 1.0
[09:37] <toma> ah, cool
[09:37] <Lure> toma: should be there in minutes
[09:37] <Lure> toma: it is basically work that was done by seaLne on rc5 and he got stuck on that same problem
[09:38] <toma> omg
[09:38] <Lure> toma: and he could also build only on his machine (debuild) but not in pbuilder
[09:38] <toma> that's sick
[09:39] <toma> Lure: since nixternal does not have anything to do for me, i'll spend the rest of the evening on it
[09:40] <Lure> toma: great ;-)
[09:40] <Lure> nixternal: package mandvd?
[09:40] <Lure> nixternal: it is my birthday today, so it would be nice present for me ;-)
[09:41] <mhb> happy birthday Luka!
[09:41] <Lure> toma: and you fixing k3b build would be even better ;-)
[09:41] <Lure> mhb: thanks!
[09:41] <mhb> Lure: you shouldn't do any work today, you know .o)
[09:42] <toma> Lure: i cant promise anything, if ~5 people already looked at it
[09:42] <Lure> toma: 5 people, but no Tom yet ;-)
[09:43] <Lure> mhb: I am not doing anything, just delegating work ;-)
[09:44] <nixternal> happy birthday Lure
[09:44] <nixternal> mandvd ey
[09:45] <Lure> nixternal: thanks
[09:47] <Lure> toma: 1.0 upload is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[09:47] <toma> graci
[09:47] <Lure> toma: they have built for me in debuild, trying pbuilder now
[09:53] <Lure> if any tester would like test k3b 1.0 packages (feisty i386 only): http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/k3b/
[09:53] <Rumo_> sure!!!
[09:55] <Daskreech> How could I find out which konqui window corresponds to a particular PID?
[10:04] <nixternal> Lure: it looks pretty, K3b that is
[10:04] <Lure> nixternal: yep, nice polish
[10:05] <nixternal> works fine here so far
[10:05] <nixternal> burns CD, rips music, folds my laundry, took the dog for a walk
[10:08] <Lure> nixternal: also here, this is why I would hate we cannot include it due to some stupid build failure :-(
[10:09] <nixternal> hrmm, you have the source? I will see if I can build it here
[10:09] <Lure> nixternal: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[10:10] <Lure> nixternal: it builds with debuild here, but fails in pbuilder :-(
[10:10] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:11] <nixternal> alrighty, trying a build here really quick
[10:18] <Lure> OMG! it has built in pbuilder (1.0)!!!
[10:18] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ upload quick, until it builds ;-)
[10:19] <nixternal> haha
[10:20] <Lure> nixternal: does build works for you? toma has problem with extraction of source...
[10:21] <toma> nm
[10:23] <Lure> Riddell: shold we file UVF exception bug?
[10:27] <Lure> Riddell: can we at all hope for exception after https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StringFreeze
[10:28] <toma> Lure, Riddell: From the diff between rc7 and final:
[10:28] <toma> -       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACRO"
[10:28] <toma> +       CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS"
[10:29] <toma> at least suspicious
[10:29] <Lure> toma: interesting, that might be it
[10:29] <Lure> toma: good eyes ;-)
[10:29] <toma> hehe, computers are rather smart in those things
[10:31] <nixternal> Lure: not building here
[10:31] <Lure> nixternal: where does it fail?
[10:31] <nixternal> it keeps crashing out trying to apt-get libcupsys
[10:31] <nixternal> 404 IP not found
[10:31] <nixternal> give it a bit and try again
[10:32] <Lure> nixternal: ok, environment problem - you may try pbuilder update first
[10:45] <nixternal> Lure: building now, seems fine so far
[10:49] <toma> Lure: confirmed, it builds fine.
[10:49] <toma> happy birthday!
[10:51] <aboe> will k3b 1.0 released within feisty ??
[10:52] <toma> aboe: maybe, we're not allowed to do it without permission
[10:53] <aboe> I hope they make an exceptin for this one...
[10:53] <toma> aboe: we're pretty late in the release cycle, so they might refuse
[10:53] <aboe> it is afterall a key app in kde
[10:53] <aboe> I know that's why I asked
[10:54] <eeanm> well it would be in backports regardless probably
[10:54] <aboe> same as the new kde-style domino...
[10:54] <aboe> I hope so
[10:55] <aboe> it is one of my favorite apps in kde
[11:00] <Lure> toma: thanks for present ;-)
[11:00] <toma> yw!
[11:04] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps updated - I think you should ask for UVF exception (more probability we get it)
[11:05] <nixternal> Lure: it built fine here
[11:05] <nixternal> I think that issue might have been the same issue I said about trying to get libcupsys
[11:05] <nixternal> pbuilder-feisty update fixed it
[11:05] <nixternal> so at least it seems, that or the link came back online
[11:06] <Lure> nixternal: it looks like upstream have fixed the issue (as toma pointed out)
[11:10] <nixternal> ahh
[11:10] <nixternal> cool
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: on kaffeine website :
[11:26] <Tonio_> Embedded Kaffeine crash fixed.
[11:26] <Tonio_> FINALLY !
[11:26] <Tonio_> I'm testing this, so that hopefully we can get rid of the double players by default !
[11:27] <Lure> Tonio_: good news
[11:27] <Lure> even though I do not use konqueror
[11:28] <Lure> but we can get some CD space if we get rid of kmplayer, right ;-)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: eventually, I just have to check the xine-lib version and make a test
[11:29] <Tonio_> Lure: k3b 1.0 final is out too, someone working on the package ?
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: done
[11:29] <Lure> ;-)
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[11:30] <Tonio_> great
[11:30] <Lure> Tonio_: we just need to ping Riddell to get exception and testers in #kubuntu-testers are testing it already
[11:30] <Lure> Tonio_: feisty will rock ;-)
[11:31] <Tonio_> Lure: needs uvf exception right ?
[11:31] <Lure> Tonio_: right
[11:32] <Lure> Tonio_: I am a bit concerned as StirngFreeze has passed
[11:32] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure if this is so important for us, as Rosetta is not used that much for KDE
[11:32] <Tonio_> yep
[11:33] <Tonio_> hum, looks like kaffeine fix requires a cvs version of the xine-libs....
[11:33] <toma> Lure: filter out the patch and add only that?
[11:33] <Lure> toma: we have 0.12 in repo currently
[11:34] <toma> o ok nm then
[11:34] <Lure> toma: I am sure that we can get exception if Riddell ask nicely ;-)
[11:36] <Daskreech> When was #kubuntu-testers opened?
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like our xine version is compatible, great
[11:38] <Lure> Daskreech: a month or so (mhb started it afair)
[11:38] <Daskreech> Nice
[11:38] <soulrider> Riddell: you there ?
[11:39] <soulrider> hi Daskreech
[11:39] <Lure> soulrider: does not look like ;-)
[11:39] <Lure> soulrider: at least he is not responding to my pings ;-)
[11:40] <Daskreech> soulrider: hey
[11:40] <soulrider> ok Lure
[11:40] <Daskreech>  got your upgrade problem worked out?
[11:40] <soulrider> no das
[11:40] <soulrider> i tried installing another kernel
[11:40] <soulrider> but it wouldnt let me do anything at all
[11:40] <soulrider> i was even getting kernel panics from ym old kernels!
[11:40] <soulrider> i eventually reinstalled
[11:40] <Daskreech> Hmm sounds like a job for a live Cd :)
[11:41] <soulrider> it all went so bonkers
[11:41] <soulrider> im actually really tempted to try to upgrade again :P
[11:42] <soulrider> but im starting college again on monday so i kind of need this to actually work :P
[11:42] <Daskreech> soulrider: good man :)
[11:42] <Daskreech> I'm going to upgrade to Feisty the weekend that it goes Beta
[11:43] <soulrider> i cant wait for feisty
[11:43] <soulrider> i have been using kubuntu since dapper came out
[11:43] <soulrider> and i still act like a jap[anese schoolgirl when updates come out!
[11:43] <Daskreech> Yeah I know. I'm Thinking it's better than Edgy which was way better than Dapper :-)
[11:43] <Lure> anyway, time for bed - good night all!
[11:44] <Daskreech> soulrider: imagine the KDE4 CD :)
[11:44] <toma> nite
[11:44] <soulrider> night!
[11:44] <soulrider> Daskreech: it will come with kde4 ?
[11:44] <Riddell> soulrider: yes
[11:45] <soulrider> i stillk have so much programming to learn!!
[11:45] <Daskreech> Umm.
[11:45] <Riddell> Lure: what news?
[11:45] <soulrider> i can program in java but thats it, im completely useless without it
[11:45] <Daskreech> Yeah :) I think that was the motivation behind naming it the KDE4 CD :)
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: k3b is ready for UVFe - 1.0 builds in pbuilder
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: toma found that upstream fixed one define
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: toma, nixternal have built it successfuly and at least 4 people run successful tests with it
[11:46] <Daskreech> Probably going to have to steal myself to reinstall when KubuntuDE4 comes out
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: we just need you to get UVF exception ;-)
[11:47] <Riddell> Lure: got source package for me to try?
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: and I wish you a bit more luch as with kde4 packages
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: revu
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4593
[11:47] <Riddell> the KDE 4 packages are in :)
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: really!?
[11:47] <Riddell> well, in NEW
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: so who approved the exception?
[11:48] <soulrider> Riddell: are you in charge of the installer ?
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: Kubuntu Council did, remember?
[11:49] <Riddell> soulrider: the KDE frontend of it
[11:49] <soulrider> i see
[11:49] <soulrider> because i think whats really needed is to be able to choose what packages you want installed
[11:49] <soulrider> like the suse installation
[11:49] <soulrider> i dont like to compare, but i think we need it
[11:49] <soulrider> see ya Lure
[11:52] <Riddell> soulrider: task selection is available in the alternate installer.  it's not really possible in the live installer (or in my opinion desirable)
[11:52] <soulrider> Riddell: i didnt know about that, i guess ill use the alternate for feisty then
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: fix for kaffeine requires a patch for xine, merged cvs
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that too late to consider patching xine just for our kubuntu issues ?
[12:04] <rbrunhuber> If i have a binary that is not stripped and the source how can i debug this?
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: post beta I think
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: and it's too late to get rid of kmplayer or play around with mimetypes for feisty
[12:05] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: gdb mybinary   run   bt
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, true for kmplayer, but concerning mimetypes, that's just a matter of removing them from kds, nothing to play with....
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: just one week too late :(
[12:06] <yuriy> as to playing around with mimetypes, how about the archive descriptions being in french?
[12:06] <Riddell> archive descrptions?
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's a shame, but it'll get lots of testing for feisty+1
[12:07] <nixternal> how can I change the Guidance batter icons?
[12:08] <Tonio_> yuriy: french sucks !
[12:08] <yuriy> Riddell: nevermind! i think it was fixed
[12:09] <Tonio_> yuriy: tu parles de la description des packets ?
[12:09] <yuriy> Tonio_: oui je pense, mais je ne peut pas trouver la probleme maintenant
[12:09] <yuriy> *peux
[12:09] <Riddell> nixternal: ?
[12:10] <nixternal> I want to change the icon in kicker, err, battery, not batter
[12:10] <nixternal> heh
[12:11] <Tonio_> :-(
[12:11] <yuriy> ok i found it
[12:11] <nixternal> found it, wow, to much work
[12:11] <yuriy> have to select multiple files
[12:11] <yuriy> then compress as is in french
[12:11] <yuriy> bug 87938
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87938 in kdeutils "Ark, feisty, Compress menu in French" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87938
[12:11] <Tonio_> yuriy: that's in french here
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: ho you mean that's in french on an english desktop ?
[12:12] <yuriy> Tonio_: is everything on your screen in french? ;)
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: well I am french so... :)
[12:12] <yuriy> yeah, this is on an english desktop
[12:12] <Tonio_> yuriy: okay, sounds logic I couldn't see the problem :)
[12:13] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: what does bt mean?
[12:13] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: back trace
[12:14] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: sorry got it just had to remove the -- before my arguments for the program