[12:13] <patrick_> Well, for some reason Konqueror won't access the internet.
[12:13] <Alonea> hmm, maybe someone in ##linux knows. they tend to be a pretty good help most of the time.
[12:13] <stdin> !feisty
[12:13] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[12:13] <judgen> WOW XGL on ATI rocks bigtime. AIGLX isnt even close.
[12:13] <eilker> any idea for freezing problem  of my mouse ?
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> eilker: what kind of mouse?
[12:14] <judgen> btw where do i install the beryl themes?
[12:14] <TRic2> by
[12:14] <stdin> judgen: on my system XGL is slow as hell, and AIGLX rocks, but I'm not using ATI
[12:14] <patrick_> Does anyone have any idea why Konqueror wouldn't be able to access internet pages?
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> judgen: use emerald to import them, if you are using emerald
[12:14] <judgen> aaah
[12:14] <eilker> c0nv1ct> left and right buttn and whell, ps/2 not wireless
[12:14] <eilker> *button
[12:14] <judgen> also, where in the settings do i set konqueror to start files with double click instead of single?
[12:14] <c0nv1ct> eilker: brand? model?
[12:15] <Alonea> ok, I still can't seem to get MPlayer to work. I get the whole can't initialise -vo thing.
[12:15] <eilker> c0nv1ct> A4 tech , model swop-3
[12:16] <stdin> judgen: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse
[12:16] <Alonea> and when I load Xine my screen goes on wonky.
[12:17] <Alonea> and it also says at the top there is no mrl
[12:17] <betty> hi
[12:17] <eilker> c0nv1ct: i have this problem in xp too
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> eilker: ah, then its a hardware problem
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> eilker: try cleaning the optics, carefully
[12:18] <judgen> stdin: Do you know how to enable the theme i have selected in beryl.manager?
[12:18] <c0nv1ct> eilker: sometimes a dust ball or a hair gets in there and makes it screwy
[12:19] <Alonea> and then kaffeine doesn't load the decoder correctly and i only get sound
[12:19] <stdin> judgen: you choose them in emerald-theme-manager then they activate
[12:19] <eilker> c0nv1ct: i dont know but it mostly  happens when i am in firefox in tabs, in xp and in kubuntu too,
[12:20] <judgen> seems that im stuck with the default aquamarine theme
[12:20] <kgx> does anyone know how i can prevent this message: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!. everytime it appears, i need to manually remove it from the knowns hosts file. this is for connecting to my home computer and it changes when i switch between linux and windows (cygwin)
[12:20] <jarn> What is the "Nice Load" in ksysguard?
[12:21] <JohnFlux> jarn: the amount of cpu use background processes are using
[12:21] <judgen> stdin: what happens if i remove the aquamarine theme
[12:22] <Alonea> Ok, now i got the codecs to work, but when I try to play a video, the whole screen goes wonky, like random large pixels everywhere.
[12:22] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: are you using Beryl?
[12:22] <compilerwriter> Any ideas Alonea or Ashex|Work
[12:23] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: whats that?
[12:23] <Ashex|Work> compilerwriter, I would check your dmesg
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: then no you arent :)
[12:23] <Ashex|Work> that's the only other thing I can think of right now
[12:23] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: what app are you using to play movies?
[12:23] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: I have tried MPlayer, Xine, and Kaffeine.
[12:24] <Alonea> Kaff and XIne with play, but screen goes crazy
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: are you using a 64bit or 32bit Kubuntu?
[12:24] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: I went back to 32 bit because 64 bit would not recognize my video card
[12:24] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: kaffeine works for me, but VLC works good without having to install any codecs
[12:25] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: and Mplayer says Error opening/intialising the selected video out device
[12:25] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: I am trying to play a wmv
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: you may need to change the driver for xine inside kaffeine to fix the graphics glitches
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: ahhh, wmv, VLC is best for that
[12:25] <stdin> Alonea: have you tried with the "-x11" or "-xv" switch?
[12:25] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: i was too lazy to install the w32 codecs so kaffeine could play wmv
[12:25] <Alonea> stdin: tried what?
[12:26] <stdin> Alonea: like "mplayer -x11 myfile.wmv"
[12:26] <Alonea> stdin: I am not in terminal at all
[12:26] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: ok, how do i change the driver for xine inside kaff?
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: go to Settings, configure kaffeine
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: wait no, its the xine settings
[12:27] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: Settings - xine engine paramaters - Video
[12:28] <c0nv1ct> Alonea: i've had problems with some drivers doing odd things, xshm seems to work best for me, try them all if ya want
[12:29] <Alonea> c0nv1ct: perfect. thanks!
[12:29] <khaije1> whats the key combo to resize an X display?
[12:29] <judgen> stdin still no progress in changing theme.
[12:34] <khaije1> sure is queit
[12:34] <Kepakiano> hello
[12:34] <Kepakiano> i've got a problem concerning my monitors refreshrates
[12:34] <Kepakiano> (excuse my english - i'm german^^)
[12:35] <khaije1> Kepakiano: there is a german language channel also, did you know that?
[12:35] <stdin> !de
[12:35] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:35] <Kepakiano> nope^^
[12:35] <Kepakiano> awesome, thx^^
[12:40] <ubuntu> c0nv1ct: may i open a query? i was here a few minutes ago...the guy with the broken install cd
[12:41] <KrAmMeR> how do I make it so when I click on a link from other programs...that it opens up in firefox and not konqueror
[12:41] <KrAmMeR> ?
[12:41] <ubuntu> ok i cant query obviously
[12:42] <c0nv1ct> query away :)
[12:42] <stdin> KrAmMeR: System Settings -> Default Applications
[12:42] <ubuntu> i cant i just found out cuz im unregistered hehe
[12:42] <c0nv1ct> registery with identserv, its real easy
[12:42] <KrAmMeR> thanks stdin
[12:43] <c0nv1ct> or nickserv
[12:43] <ubuntu> c0nv1ct: anyway i just wanted to say thx i nearly spent 2 hours on this problem and finally imgburn fixed the problem....zero failed checksums!
[12:43] <stdin> c0nv1ct: if you have unfiltered on, they don't have to
[12:43] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: nice! i've always liked imgburn, never failed once for me
[12:43] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: very simple tool just for burning images, i love it
[12:44] <ubuntu> c0nv1ct:  it defintely feels better to install from a flawless install media...ebven it seemed to be just  a support for an unimportant file syste that was invalid
[12:44] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: yeah, haveing an error free disk always helps :D
[12:44] <ubuntu> c0nv1ct: yeah...i will use it from now on...and this incident will also teach me to hashcheck my stuff from now on
[12:44] <c0nv1ct> having*
[12:45] <sercik> please someone could help me to test my ultravnc installation??
[12:45] <ubuntu> c0nv1ct:  so thx again...guess thats all i wanted to say hehe
[12:45] <c0nv1ct> ubuntu: yeah, always use the verify feature when burning stuff like that
[12:45] <c0nv1ct> np man, have fun in ubuntu :)
[12:45] <ubuntu> going to install now finally
[12:45] <ubuntu> bye
[12:45] <ubuntu> :)
[12:45] <sercik> my address is http://radiociccio.dyndns.org
[12:47] <KrAmMeR> im getting and access denied when trying to empty my trash
[12:47] <KrAmMeR> has anyone seen this?
[12:49] <PhilosophyNinja> is there a linux equivalent to ctrl+alt+del? or something where I can see processes running?
[12:49] <Minataku> ps
[12:49] <bonbonthejon> PhilosophyNinja: top
[12:49] <LjL> PhilosophyNinja: ctrl+esc
[12:49] <Minataku> LjL's is best
[12:49] <Dasnipa`> i prefer ctrl backspace
[12:49] <stdin> KrAmMeR: don't know why that's happening, but a "sudo chown $(whoami) ~/.local/share/Trash/" should fix that
[12:50] <LjL> that doesn't do much Dasnipa`
[12:51] <stdin> KrAmMeR: opps, missed an -R "sudo chown -R $(whoami) ~/.local/share/Trash/" should fix that
[12:51] <KrAmMeR> haha
[12:51] <KrAmMeR> i was just gonna say that didn't work
[12:51] <KrAmMeR> k lemme try that
[12:51] <cpk1> PhilosophyNinja: use top or 'ps aux'
[12:51] <c0nv1ct> recursive always helps :)
[12:51] <KrAmMeR> that worked thanks
[12:51] <stdin> :)
[12:52] <KrAmMeR> can you do that for any folder you dont have access too im assuming?
[12:52] <cpk1> KrAmMeR: yes but there are reasons why you dont have access to some directories =)
[12:52] <stdin> KrAmMeR: you could, but it would depend on the directory to if you should do it
[12:53] <stdin> KrAmMeR: anything in your home directory should be ok tho
[12:53] <KrAmMeR> K
[12:53] <KrAmMeR> thanks
[12:53] <stdin> no problem :)
[12:54] <bzozo> Hi
[12:55] <bonbonthejon> hi
[12:55] <stdin> !hi
[12:55] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:56] <bzozo> thanks:)
[12:56] <bzozo> I've a little (maybe stupid) question concerning xine-remote, may somebody can help me?
[12:58] <bonbonthejon> !question
[12:58] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:59] <jarle> Trying the edgy->feisty upgrade; After the wizard I hit "finished" no upgrader started?
[12:59] <bzozo> I'm trying to use xine-remote within a script, something like "xine-remote -c 'set audio channel 1'"  works fine, but "xine-remote -c 'get audio lang'" does nothing ; am I not supposed to get the response in stdout?
[12:59] <bzozo> (I'm french, so pardon my english)
[01:00] <bonbonthejon> jarle: what wizard?
[01:00] <jarle> bonbonthejon: Have you done the upgrade?
[01:00] <stdin> jarle: feisty support (including upgrading to feisty) is in #ubuntu+1
[01:00] <bonbonthejon> jarle: yeah
[01:01] <PhilosophyNinja> Question, I'm trying to install Gaim. I already did the wget thing to get the package. Now when sent the sudo dpkg -i gaim...so on command it runs but I get an error
[01:02] <PhilosophyNinja> a dependency problems prevent configuration of gaim2"
[01:02] <stdin> PhilosophyNinja: why didn't you just use adept and install the package in the ubuntu repos?
[01:02] <PhilosophyNinja> because essentially I have no idea what I'm doing
[01:02] <PhilosophyNinja> I'm just messing around trying to figure things out on my own
[01:02] <jarle> bonbonthejon: when you are told that a new version of kubuntu is available, and complete the wizard, when you select "finish" a new Upgrader should show up as shown on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[01:03] <bonbonthejon> jarle: i prefer the command line, "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[01:03] <PhilosophyNinja> stdin: so how do I do it with Adept?
[01:04] <bonbonthejon> PhilosophyNinja: open adept, search for gaim, and install it
[01:04] <stdin> PhilosophyNinja: 1st remove the package you're trying to install "sudo dpkg -r gaim2", then do what bonbonthejon said
[01:06] <jarle> bonbonthejon: giving command line a go then... (I was just trying to follow the suggested guide to every point..
[01:06] <PhilosophyNinja> searching for it in adept doesn't work, doesn't find anything
[01:07] <intelikey> ok somebody tell me what is activating consoles 2-6 ?    and don't say inittab cause they are commented out in there.
[01:07] <bonbonthejon> PhilosophyNinja: pastebin your sources.list
[01:07] <bonbonthejon> !pastebin | PhilosophyNinja
[01:07] <ubotu> PhilosophyNinja: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:08] <intelikey> there is no getty running on them but something has activated them cause i can switch to each of 2-6 even though nothing has ran on them.   anyone know ?
[01:10] <PhilosophyNinja> whoa wait, whats that pastebin thing...
[01:10] <elcuco_> is anyone in cebit?
[01:10] <elcuco_> i mean, like some one from kubuntu?
[01:11] <SolidSource> !pastebin > PhilosophyNinja
[01:11] <Kepakiano> cya
[01:11] <SolidSource> elcuco_: there are some...don't know if any are on right now
[01:11] <elcuco_> just wanted to know, if they can send me some disks :)
[01:12] <PhilosophyNinja> so does that mean that someone pastbined to me or they want me to pastebin something to them
[01:13] <jarle> bonbonthejon: The wizard seems to only be started when you "Fetch updates" from Adept, and not when you run it from the command line like you suggested...
[01:13] <bonbonthejon> PhilosophyNinja: go to the pastebin site, and post your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:13] <bonbonthejon> jarle: yeah, command line needs no gui wizard
[01:14] <dsmith> question: has anyone used the paid support for ubuntu?
[01:14] <jarle> bonbonthejon: When running from the commandline I am told that everything is installed, yet when "Fetch updates" from adept the kubuntu wizard is started...
[01:15] <bonbonthejon> jarle: what didnt get upgraded
[01:15] <isstern35> can someone plz tell me how to uninstall kubuntu
[01:16] <dsmith> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <isstern35> aight thx
[01:16] <stdin> isstern35: you mean the KDE part, so you're left with Ubuntu, or the whole OS ?
[01:16] <bonbonthejon> isstern35: install something on top of it
[01:16] <PhilosophyNinja> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list doens't work
[01:16] <jarle> bonbonthejon: as stated on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade a kubuntu upgrader wizard is supposed to start automatically...
[01:16] <bonbonthejon> PhilosophyNinja: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:16] <isstern35> so i use sudo apt-get for all things that i want to uninstall
[01:17] <PhilosophyNinja> ah
[01:17] <dsmith> apt-get!
[01:17] <dsmith> !apt-get
[01:17] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[01:17] <bonbonthejon> isstern35: what are you uninstalling
[01:18] <dsmith> kubuntu apparently
[01:18] <isstern35> yea
[01:18] <Minataku> !aptitude
[01:18] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[01:18] <Minataku> is better
[01:18] <Minataku> lol
[01:18] <isstern35> at least im trying too
[01:18] <bonbonthejon> isstern35: if you want to get rid of all of kubuntu, just install something over it
[01:18] <ecetahmaz> Hi, can anybody tell me, what is the konversation redhat link
[01:18] <ecetahmaz> ?
[01:19] <dsmith> thx Minataku
[01:19] <stdin> ecetahmaz: huh, you mean the redhat channel on freenode?
[01:19] <Minataku> dsmith: np
[01:19] <ecetahmaz> yeap, why not?
[01:19] <ecetahmaz> stdin
[01:19] <stdin> ecetahmaz: #redhat
[01:20] <ecetahmaz> stdin haha init? cheers stdin
[01:20] <jarle> When I try to do the edgy->feisty upgrade I get:
[01:20] <jarle> can't load DistUpgradeViewKDE
[01:20] <jarle> error: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11konsolePart8setPtyFdEi
[01:20] <Minataku> isstern35: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device of your harddrive> [ DANGER! THIS WILL DESTROY ALL THE DATA ON SAID HARDDRIVE ] 
[01:20] <Minataku> jarle: That library lacks that symbol
[01:21] <Minataku> Perhaps you need a newer version of the lib
[01:21] <stdin> jarle: the Kubuntu Dist Upgrade tool is not stable
[01:21] <Minataku> Or someone goofed when they made the DistUpgradeViewKDE bin
[01:21] <jarle> so a bug report should be filed?
[01:22] <ecetahmaz> Notice, i`m not using yet... i`ve kubuntu, i wanna learn that? i just start to use 2 week ago linux. i dont wanna use microsoft  anymore !!!!!!!!
[01:22] <dsmith> ecetahmaz: awwww why not :P
[01:22] <ecetahmaz> notice ,,,, thnx for the information
[01:23] <stdin> jarle: check if there is a similar issue on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bugs if not, then report it
[01:24] <ecetahmaz> dsmith , i need alternative, without trojens virus, i cant control my pc easly, i need more information about everything,,,, i will try linux
[01:24] <dsmith> ecetahmaz: Linux is great, unbuntu makes it even better :) Welcome...
[01:24] <ecetahmaz> and free, who want to give money for comp. me not....
[01:24] <Minataku> ecetahmaz: Is English your primary language?
[01:24] <Minataku> If not, we have localized channels
[01:25] <Minataku> They can help you in your primary language and probably make things easier for you :3
[01:25] <ecetahmaz> thnx dsmith, minataku english is second
[01:25] <Minataku> What is your primary language?
[01:26] <ecetahmaz> turkish
[01:26] <ecetahmaz> yours?
[01:26] <bonbonthejon> !tr
[01:26] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[01:26] <Minataku> Mine is English
[01:26] <dsmith> everyone's 1st language on here should be binary... :P
[01:26] <Minataku> But there's the Turkish Ubuntu channel :3
[01:26] <Minataku> By the way; welcome to Linux, ecetahmaz :3
[01:26] <ecetahmaz> thnx ubotu
[01:27] <ecetahmaz> and cheers notice
[01:27] <bonbonthejon> !ubotu
[01:27] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:27] <ecetahmaz> THNX v. much
[01:27] <Minataku> bonbonthejon: Don't confuse him, now XD
[01:27] <Minataku> ecetahmaz: No problem
[01:28] <skogen> hello
[01:28] <bonbonthejon> hi
[01:28] <dsmith> aptitude seems limited somewhat
[01:28] <bonbonthejon> dsmith: how so
[01:29] <chino> this guy says hes picking the language
[01:29] <dsmith> well to me apt-get has more command variables perhaps?
[01:29] <chino> in th installer
[01:29] <chino> and has a small screen
[01:29] <skogen> how do i get back to just use ubuntu? (i have now kubuntu installed)
[01:29] <chino> and cant see no buttons
[01:29] <chino> to move next
[01:29] <dsmith> skogen: logout of your session
[01:29] <dsmith> and choose gnome
[01:30] <dsmith> then open a terminal session and sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <voidmage> no need to remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <dsmith> well he could leave it on there
[01:31] <voidmage> i feel dirty
[01:31] <dsmith> lol
[01:31] <voidmage> KDE is crashing X too much right now
[01:31] <voidmage> i'm having to try gnome and see if it's more stable
[01:31] <dsmith> maybe its your vid. drivers?
[01:31] <voidmage> my friend has the same problem with an intel chip
[01:32] <voidmage> and i use ATI
[01:32] <dsmith> i810?
[01:32] <voidmage> no clue about nvidia
[01:32] <Alonea> ok. what packages do I need to install so I have mp3/mpeg/etc support in firefox. Need to hear bgsound. Got extension so it reads it but firefox says missing plugin for mpeg
[01:32] <dsmith> oh
[01:32] <voidmage> but it's the exact same segfault in X
[01:32] <voidmage> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10539/
[01:32] <dsmith> i avoid ATI
[01:32] <voidmage> backtrace at 1337
[01:32] <Raytray> Is it possible to make a window not show up on the windows list on the taskbar?
[01:32] <voidmage> i would too but i switched this box from windows
[01:33] <bonbonthejon> Raytray: you can not list non-minimized windows, i think
[01:33] <Raytray> Alright then.
[01:34] <dsmith> voidimage: is that your xorg.conf?
[01:35] <Minataku> voidmage: Type "startx" and try using what I hope will be twm
[01:35] <Minataku> You can test if it's KDE or X this way
[01:35] <Minataku> It'll be kinda confusing, you'll want to open up xterms and run commands from them
[01:36] <Minataku> You can run multiple programs in one xterm by appending an & to the end of the line
[01:36] <Minataku> Say you want to run XMMS but you don't want to clog up your xterm, you run it as "xmms &"
[01:36] <Minataku> If it still crashes out on you in twm then it's not KDE's fault
[01:37] <voidmage> dsmith: no that's my xorg.log
[01:37] <voidmage> Minataku: not really sure though what causes X to crash, it crashes practically randomly during regular everyday use
[01:38] <Minataku> Well, I saw you blaming KDE
[01:38] <voidmage> moreso a guess
[01:38] <Minataku> GNOME would definitely be more likely to cause all sorts of things to crash, including even your car
[01:38] <Minataku> It's that bad
[01:38] <Minataku> *rimshot* XD
[01:38] <voidmage> hah.
[01:40] <dsmith> hahaa
[01:40] <Alonea> also, when I try to load amarok, it says updating database, then goes off without loading the program.
[01:41] <jhutchins> !mp3 | Alonea
[01:41] <ubotu> Alonea: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:42] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: try running amarok from konsole to see the errors
[01:43] <ecetahmaz> i write] ] 
[01:43] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: ok, when I do sudo amarok, it actually loads it...wierd.
[01:44] <voidmage> you're running amarok as root?
[01:44] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: dont do sudo, try it as the regular user
[01:44] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: said a bunch of bad device stuff like it does when I do kdesu konqueror
[01:44] <Aoshi> mi wine doesn't work
[01:44] <voidmage> bad device stuff is a lot of times normal
[01:44] <Aoshi> !!
[01:44] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: you can ignore the x errors
[01:45] <voidmage> that just means you don't have a wacom tablet plugged in
[01:45] <voidmage> (support for those is included by default in ubuntu)
[01:46] <SilentDis> hello :)
[01:47] <stdin> !hi
[01:47] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:47] <SilentDis> how do I set KDE to auto-start an app on login?
[01:47] <bonbonthejon> hi
[01:47] <stdin> !autostart | SilentDis
[01:47] <ubotu> SilentDis: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:47] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: Amarok: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.   does that mean anything?
[01:47] <SilentDis> stdin: thanks :)
[01:47] <stdin> SilentDis: you're welcome :)
[01:47] <stdin> hi Jucato :)
[01:48] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: dont run "amarok" instead use "amarokapp"
[01:49] <ecetahmaz> I set on manual proxy on firefox network connection setting? internet didn`t work, now i set up the auto. proxy, nah! internet is not working.... anybody can give me a idea. i dont have internet connection fron firefox????????
[01:49] <Jucato> hi stdin!
[01:49] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: ok, I just get those X errors, it says the updating database, then goes off.
[01:50] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: whats the last line it says
[01:50] <SilentDis> stdin: ln /path/to/program ~/.kde/Autostart/appname && chmod 770 ~/.kde/Autostart/appname correct?
[01:50] <stdin> Jucato: I decided to compile KDE4 from svn today, it's going well (so far) :)
[01:50] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: just the end of the x error saying failed to open device
[01:50] <Jucato> stdin: ah. good luck :)
[01:50] <Jucato> (don't give others any crazy ideas ;D)
[01:50] <stdin> SilentDis: use a symlink, it's easier, "ln -s /path/to/program ~/.kde/Autostart/appname" Done! :P
[01:50] <SilentDis> stdin: thank you :)
[01:51] <bonbonthejon> Alonea: if all else fails, try reinstalling amarok
[01:51] <stdin> Jucato: I tried using the packages (in universe on feisty) but i keep getting a segfult, so I'll just do it the fun way :)
[01:51] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: well, it works if I sudo it though...
[01:52] <Jucato> stdin: heh... you could also report the bug for kde4 kubuntu packages and help others who'll be using it along the way :D
[01:53] <stdin> Jucato: I'm going to do that anyway, I'm a good kubuntu citizen :)
[01:53] <Alonea> bonbonthejon: how do you get firefox to see the codecs?
[01:53] <SilentDis> ksysguard doesn't seem to function.  it starts, connects to localhost for a brief second, then disconnects instantly.  what is it trying to connect to?  it might be missing on my machine (went from ubuntu -> kubuntu)
[01:53] <bonbonthejon> !codecs
[01:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:54] <SilentDis> !ksysguard
[01:54] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 485 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[01:55] <stdin> !ksysguardd
[01:55] <ubotu> ksysguardd: system guard daemon for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 176 kB
[01:55] <kdehl> What do I need to add to make mplayer play wmv files and the likes? Right now it says "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: wmvdmod.dll, /usr/lib/win32/wmvdmod.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/wmvdmod.dll"
[01:56] <stdin> kdehl: install w32codecs
[01:56] <stdin> !w32codecs
[01:56] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[01:56] <matrix> hi, i can't use the full capacity of my usb disk. it is 100gb which fdisk -l /dev/sdb proofes
[01:56] <kdehl> Hm.
[01:56] <kdehl> stdin: There doesn't seem to be a package named that, is there?
[01:56] <matrix> i created one partion using fdisk and did mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[01:56] <stdin> matrix: is it formatted, or partitioned ?
[01:57] <matrix> but when i mount it df only shows 23G available...?
[01:57] <stdin> kdehl: not in the main repos, look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[01:58] <matrix> stdin:  yes it is
[01:58] <tominglis> hi, i'd like to get a usb webcam built into my laptop's screen to work
[01:58] <tominglis> does anyone know how?
[01:58] <stdin> matrix: how many partitions is it?
[01:58] <tominglis> it has product id 0x2750
[01:58] <stdin> !webcam
[01:58] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:58] <tominglis> and vendor id 0xeb1a
[02:00] <matrix> stdin: only one. i want to have it cover the whole disk
[02:00] <matrix> is ther a ui tool to do it?
[02:01] <Alonea> ok, I dont see anything about getting firefox to play embedding mp3s....
[02:02] <Jucato> Alonea: try installing "mozilla-mplayer"
[02:02] <Jucato> (it's in multiverse)
[02:02] <matrix> when i create a new partition how can i make it fit the whole disk? i delete all partition and create a primary. starting from cylinder 1 to the default value for the ending.
[02:02] <matrix> after wards checking with v i still have 5165 unallocated sectors
[02:02] <stdin> matrix: you can install gparted, or qtparted
[02:03] <Alonea> Jucato: its already installed.
[02:03] <Jucato> hm...
[02:03] <stdin> matrix: I think you can use the Disk & Filesystems tool in System Settings too
[02:04] <stdin> matrix: not sure about that one  tho
[02:04] <matrix> when i do n for an additional disk it says no free sectors. strange. do i have to write them first? seems like v and n are working based on different informations
[02:04] <matrix> stdin: i will get qtparted
[02:04] <Alonea> Jucato: I am trying to get teh bgsound to work. I got the extension so bgsound is recognized, and thats working, but a missing plugin thing comes up though.
[02:04] <stdin> matrix: that's probably the best tool for the job
[02:05] <Jucato> Alonea: maybe it's flash?
[02:05] <beta> hi, during install i couldnt connect to the security updates server....my networks seems to be running (havent looked at the configs yet though)
[02:05] <beta> what could this mean?
[02:06] <Alonea> Jucato: shouldn't be. its an mp3 file that the html code is calling. and the missing plugin is audio/mpeg. I have flash installed anyway and thats working fine.
[02:06] <Jucato> hm...
[02:07] <Jucato> is it playing fine in Konqueror? (if you have libxine-extracodecs installed)
[02:08] <Alonea> Jucato: does Konqueror support the html code bgsound?
[02:08] <Jucato> can you throw me a link to test it (on Konqueror)
[02:09] <Alonea> http://deathball.net/notpron/nothing/hesgotitall.htm , Jucato
[02:09] <Alonea> err, username is simple, pass is songs.
[02:09] <Alonea> its not-pr0n
[02:10] <beta> how do i set konquerer up to seperately launch as a filebrowser and as a webbrowser...i mean layout and all?
[02:10] <Jucato> hm.. it's not playing in Konqi
[02:10] <stdin> i think bgsound is an IE tag, it's non-standard anyway
[02:11] <Alonea> stdin: its reading the bsound.
 is the way to do it I think
[02:11] <stdin> woks on all browsers
[02:11] <Alonea> stdin: I got the extension so you are able to read it.
[02:11] <Alonea> stdin: I just dont know why firefox isn't able to play mp3s...
[02:12] <Jucato> maybe because the bgsound tag is not a standardized tag
[02:12] <Xiphias> It will probably only play wav or midi files. IIRC
[02:12] <tominglis> stdin: i don't think that my camera is included in those links
[02:12] <Jucato> so other standards-compliant browsers will probably not support it...
[02:13] <Jucato> then there's the possiblity of what Xiphias said :D
[02:13] <Sanne> beta: if you have different profiles for file management and web browsing, you can use commands like this to start konqueror with a specific profile: kfmclient openProfile name_of_your_profile
[02:13] <tominglis> stdin: it seems to be fairly generic, and is recognised as some kind of camera by kopete, but there is nothing on the display
[02:13] <ubuntu> hi
[02:13] <Alonea> Jucato: well, I honestly dont think its the tag thats wrong. Maybe reinstall firefox somehow?
[02:14] <Xiphias> You couuld use embed to do the same thing
[02:14] <Jucato> Alonea: the tag is not wrong. but probably not a Web standard. meaning other browsers might not support it
[02:14] <Xiphias> You'd just have some sort of a graphical interface to playing the file
[02:14] <tominglis> stdin: camorama has nothing either, but it does say a resolution of 360 x 289 and a frame rate
[02:14] <ubuntu> how do i log onto yahoo through this application
[02:14] <Jucato> a.k.a. it might only be a Internet Explorer thing
[02:15] <Alonea> Jucato: i am trying to say its reading the tag, but not the mp3, as in a plugin issue.
[02:15] <Jucato> ubuntu: Yahoo Messenger? Use Kopete instead. Konversation is an IRC client
[02:15] <ubuntu> oh
[02:15] <ubuntu> thanx
[02:15] <Jucato> Alonea: ok... I can't test it right now since Adept is busy at the moment.
[02:15] <stdin> tominglis: I don't know then, I don't have a webcam
[02:16] <Sanne> beta: you can try with the default profiles that come with ubuntu, located in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles. They are named: "filemanagement" and "webbrowsing"
[02:16] <Alonea> Jucato: ok, and the extension is called stop autoplay, and then you need to goto stop autoplays options and check the box "convert <bgsound> tag
[02:16] <beta> Sanne: ok thx...sounds not like i could just get it working in a few minutes but at least i got a clue now thx
[02:17] <Sanne> beta: I can help you set it up if you like.
[02:17] <matrix> what are the most wide or easiest backup programs for ubuntu? some dar frontends? or is ther something better?
[02:18] <tominglis> stdin: thanks dude
[02:18] <beta> Sanne: well if you dont mind it would be cool...just to have a filemanager icon to launch and one for brwosing
[02:19] <beta> Sanne: should i open a query?
[02:19] <Jucato> beta: if you're kicker is still the default setting, there's a button beside the K Menu that looks like a computer. It's the System Menu. if you click on it you will be given some choices. click on Home and it will (should) launch Konqueror in File Manager mode
[02:19] <Sanne> beta: I would prefer in channel, so others can benefit, or help us if we get stuck, if that's ok with you.
[02:20] <Jucato> !kdar | matrix
[02:20] <ubotu> matrix: kdar: archive data to disc. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1268 kB, installed size 2212 kB
[02:20] <matrix> i could need some advice regarding a backup strategy.
[02:21] <beta> Sanne: sure just didnt want to annoy others with such basic stuff
[02:21] <matrix> mainly i have images and some documents.
[02:21] <beta> wait a sec. if it works what Jucato suggestes i might be fine for now anyways
[02:21] <matrix> my laptop disk is too small so i will have them on a usb disk
[02:21] <matrix> when is it better to just mirror a directory to another usb disk. by unison, rsync? when should you use kdar etc?
[02:21] <Sanne> beta: I don't think anybody would be annoyed, and I also don't think it's *that* basic ;) Ok, let's start, please open a konsole window.
[02:22] <matrix> unison, dar are thos progs i heard of have no idea what else is out there worth a look
[02:22] <beta> Sanne: ok opened
[02:22] <Sanne> beta: I want to confirm the that two commands will work. First one: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[02:23] <beta> Sanne: yeah that opened up konqi in filemanagement mode :)
[02:24] <Sanne> beta: next one: kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[02:24] <beta> Sanne: Working
[02:25] <Sanne> beta: cool! now, where would you prefer to have those shortcuts? In the menu, on the panel and/or on the desktop?
[02:26] <beta> Sanne: i guess all im missing is a filebrowser launch in the menu and on the panel...web is already there
[02:26] <fyrmedic> How do I list my iptables
[02:26] <fyrmedic> ?
[02:26] <matrix> iptables -L afaik
[02:27] <Sanne> beta: ok, then let's make a menu entry first, it's easier that way. Open the menu, open the group where you would like to have the new entry, right click anywhere and choose edit. That should open the menu editor.
[02:27] <fyrmedic> matrix; thank you. I'll give it a shot
[02:27] <Jucato> beta: you couldn't find the System Menu on the panel?
[02:28] <matrix> fyrmedic: your welcome
[02:29] <jose__> sdxd
[02:29] <matrix> i wanted to install kdar but it says it's brocken kdar: Depends: libdar3c2a but it is not installable
[02:29] <beta> Jucato: i could and i actually would be fine with it for now...but if Sanne is kind enough to to take me through some basic steps it cant hurt - thx though!
[02:29] <Jucato> sure
[02:29] <beta> Sanne: ok
[02:30] <Sanne> beta: in what group do you want to make the new entry?
[02:31] <mervteck> hey guys
[02:31] <beta> Sanne: i think it would fit in utilities
[02:31] <beta> +best
[02:32] <mervteck> hey has anyone here reported microsoft to the BBB?
[02:32] <Sanne> beta: ok, the right click on "utilities" and chose "new item", give it an appropriate name.
[02:32] <Xiphias> mervteck: There wouldn't be any point
[02:32] <Xiphias> No action would ever be taken against them.
[02:33] <mervteck> =P i did cuz i hate them and there HORRIBLE tech support
[02:33] <Xiphias> Unless you happen to be a multibillion dollar company
[02:33] <beta> Sanne: ok
[02:33] <Xiphias> Their tech support is outsourced
[02:33] <mervteck> how bout... multi thousand? lol
[02:33] <mervteck> yeha i know
[02:33] <Sanne> beta: with the new entry selected, fill out Description and Comment in the right pane to your liking.
[02:34] <Xiphias> Just remember, when you call tech support, you are speaking with individuals that don't like their job and want to go home.
[02:34] <Xiphias> I'd know
[02:34] <Xiphias> :P
[02:34] <beta> Sanne: done
[02:34] <mervteck> xD
[02:34] <mervteck> where u live xiphias?
[02:35] <Sanne> beta: ok, and in Command we now put the one from earlier: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
[02:35] <mervteck> if your willing to share that info
[02:35] <matrix> any idea why i can't install kdar via apt (running edgy)
[02:35] <beta> Sanne: ok
[02:35] <tominglis> does anyone know how to get spca5xx or gspcav1 working in kubuntu feisty?
[02:35] <tominglis> i am trying to install the webcam built into my laptop screen
[02:36] <Xiphias> Australia
[02:36] <Xiphias> If that's vague enough
[02:36] <Sanne> beta: you can chose an icon now if you want, by clicking on the big icon on the top right in the right pane, or we can skip that and you do it later. Tell me when done ;)
[02:36] <mervteck> lols
[02:36] <mervteck> plenty! =P
[02:36] <beta> done
[02:36] <mervteck> thank god for linux im never going to windows again
[02:36] <Xiphias> Never worked for MS tech support, never would.
[02:37] <Xiphias> I have to use Windows for neccessities like gaming
[02:37] <Xiphias> and MS Access. :(
[02:37] <Xiphias> *crai*
[02:37] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:37] <mervteck> i hate gaming on windows , simply because even on emulation 90 % of my games running on windows run at a higher fps and more fluently
[02:38] <Sanne> beta: ok, now "File/save" and then "File/quit". Then test if the new menu entry is there and working.
[02:39] <mervteck> i ran source games on windows, they only get 40 fps MAX on a 7950 512, on linux i pull 140
[02:39] <beta> Sanne: cool working - thx a heap!
[02:39] <Sanne> beta: we're not ready yet ;). Now on to the panel, ok?
[02:40] <beta> Sanne: meh...it would be great but i really dont want to hassle you :)
[02:40] <Sanne> beta: you don't ;) We'll see this through, ha!
[02:40] <beta> cool
[02:41] <Sanne> beta: right click on panel, "Add Application to Panel", navigate to your new menu entry, click on it to put it on panel. Right click on new panel item to move, customize etc. Left click to test. If it works, we're done ;)
[02:42] <mervteck> mmm love kubuntu ^^ anyone up for helping me getting BF2 to run on my compy when its done?
[02:43] <mervteck> ill give you a hero cookie!
[02:43] <beta> Sanne: cool, works :)
[02:43] <Sanne> beta: hurrah! :)
[02:44] <beta> Sanne: hehe - thx :)
[02:44] <Sanne> beta: you're welcome :)
[02:44] <mervteck> sanne u willing to help a semi noob ? =)
[02:45] <flaccid> anyone here know how to work out the /dev/ name of a usb printer device?
[02:45] <Sanne> mervteck: willing, yes, capable... maybe, if I knew your problem :)
[02:45] <beta> Sanne: so if i would want to launch konqi at root per default or any other location i change it via konqis menus and save it as a new profile...than go through tzhat very same process but add the new profile in the command box?
[02:46] <mervteck> wanna get BF2 to work on linux ( through wine or cadega )  when i restart
[02:46] <beta> to setup entrys for it in the menu i mean
[02:46] <alonea> ok, Jucato, I got it to work finally, but I dont like how gxine pops up, only plays it once when it supposed to repeat and makes the screen pixelate all over
[02:47] <Sanne> beta:  exactly! You might have to disable the kubuntu specific config that prevents adding custom profiles. I remember having to do that. But just try to make a custom profile, if it works, all is fine.
[02:47] <mervteck> brb gonna restart
[02:48] <bdb> I am at the install screen for Kubuntu, English is highlighted, I hit enter and nothing happens, any ideas on how to continue the install?
[02:48] <Sanne> I just love it when I'm in the middle of an answer when the user quits...
[02:48] <beta> Sanne: ok, mind to answer one last question? when i installed i couldnt connect to the security updates sever...my networks seems to work fine though - what could the be the reason for this
[02:48] <chino> help bdb
[02:48] <beta> or is it normal behaviour with a frsh install from the latest iso
[02:49] <Sanne> beta:  sometimes the servers are down, can you connect now?
[02:49] <beta> Sanne: maybe his connection just broke down
[02:49] <Sanne> :)
[02:49] <vit> hola
[02:49] <Xiphias> I have issues with the backports servers sometimes
[02:49] <beta> Sanne: uh, how to do that i would have to ask then i fear ;)
[02:49] <Xiphias> They must take them down an awful lot
[02:50] <vit> hello
[02:50] <Xiphias> G'day
[02:50] <alonea> Jucato: ok, nm, I just uninstalled gxine and now its working perfectly
[02:50] <chino>  I am at the install screen for Kubuntu, English is highlighted, I hit enter and nothing happens, any ideas on how to continue the install?
[02:50] <bill_> i have a problem with libc6
[02:50] <bill_> i have the newist version installed but when i try to install beryl it says i need to install a newer version
[02:51] <mervteck> hey guys!
[02:51] <Sanne> beta: we can just tryto surf to the server with a web browser :). In my /etc/apt/sources.list I have for the security updates the line: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted. So I just try to surf to: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and see if it's up.
[02:51] <Xiphias> chino: is your cd/dvd rom drive spinning up?
[02:51] <chino> no
[02:51] <vit> hello
[02:51] <chino> Xiphias:  no
[02:52] <beta> Sanne ok seems to be up and i can reach it
[02:52] <beta> Sanne:
[02:52] <Xiphias> chino: if you restart, see if it spins up then. There could be an issue with your drive (I had a similar issue when installing Kubuntu, where the drive would boot the disc, but wouldn't install. I had to use another external drive)
[02:52] <bill_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:52] <bill_>   xserver-xgl: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4 is to be installed
[02:52] <mervteck> I AM THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE! FUCK WINDOWS! WOOT!
[02:52] <bill_> the following packages have unmet dependancies
[02:52] <Sanne> beta: works here too. You should make sure you have the line enabled in your sources.list, just to be safe.
[02:53] <bill_> the following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:53] <beta> Sanne: yup i gotta look through that again...last i used linux (ubuntu breezer) was a year ago or something alike
[02:53] <beta> time to get out the manual now :)
[02:53] <Sanne> beta: if you get stuck, just ask :)
[02:54] <bill_> xserver-xgl: depends libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4 is to be installed
[02:54] <bill_> now what
[02:54] <matrix> i have a problem and i guess it is a kubuntu bug. how can i verify that and how to fill a bug report?
[02:54] <stdin> !bug
[02:54] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[02:55] <Sanne> beta: remember to make a copy before editing config files.
[02:55] <bill_> xserver-xgl: depends libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4 is to be installed <----can somone help me with this
[02:55] <beta> Sanne: you know what it cool to read stuff and do research but its really great from time to time if someone is willing to walk you through some stuff....even if its very basic....it can be really encouraging to go on with learning
[02:55] <Xiphias> You need to update your graphics card drivers, as far as I know
[02:56] <Xiphias> I never got around to installing XGL/Beryl
[02:56] <bill_> i assure you EVERYTHING is up to date, i spent 3 hours making sure
[02:56] <mervteck> can anyone tell me why my kopete shows all my lists of groups for aim but shows i have 0 in each?
[02:56] <beta> Sanne: i hope linux can save some of that attitude....so thx a lot again for your help, youve been really patient! :)
[02:56] <beta> Sanne: yeah hehe thx for the hint
[02:56] <DrX> hello, I can't seem to remount /dev/sda8... it says "mount:  can't find /dev/sda8 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"  It's being used as a Xen block device (ext3)
[02:57] <Sanne> beta: it is my pleasure, really. You are a pleasant person to teach :)
[02:57] <stdin> DrX: you either need to specify a mount point, or use pmount to mount it
[02:57] <bill_> ok, can somone direct me to a RADEON 9550 driver that is not proprietary, because that one SLOWWWS my computer down alot
[02:57] <beta> Sanne: cool thx - ill do some reading now then :)
[02:57] <voidmage> bill_: tried 'radeon' ?
[02:57] <beta> thx again later :)
[02:58] <Sanne> beta: ok, have fun, good luck :)
[02:58] <chino> does x11vnc come on the cd ?
[02:58] <chino> or some way that someone can join my session ?
[02:58] <bill_> installing xorg_fglrx
[02:59] <ricky_> can someone tell me how to change the little yellow thing on eterm?>
[02:59] <DrX> pmount command not found
[02:59] <andrew_> I am trying to install LTSP Utilities, but keep getting error.  Not foung.  Need help
[03:00] <stdin> DrX: have you got kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[03:00] <Alexismoy> Hi
[03:00] <Xiphias> DrX: try mkdir /mnt/sda8 and use that as the mount point
[03:00] <Alexismoy> Is fglrx the best driver for my ATI card or is there an other driver?
[03:00] <Xiphias> (sudo mkdir /mnt/sda8 that is)
[03:01] <bill_> it still says libc6 can be upgraded to 2.4 and i cant upgrade and i have 2.3 and synaptic says there are no updates
[03:01] <bill_> lemme try adept
[03:02] <bill_> yeah no updates
[03:02] <stdin> do you have backports enabled ?
[03:02] <Xiphias> Try using the 'repair broken packages' tool in Synaptic
[03:02] <Xiphias> You may have an issue there too.
[03:02] <andrew_> Is there another location to download a LTSP Utility?
[03:03] <stdin> !ltsp
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ltsp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <bill_> where do i enable backports
[03:03] <bill_> just checked, yes backports are enabled
[03:04] <bill_> should i disable?
[03:04] <DrX> what does the mount command look like?
[03:04] <fuel> !gtk+
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <fuel> !gtk > fuel
[03:05] <stdin> DrX: sudo mount /dev/sda8 /mnt/sda8
[03:05] <cpk1> mount /dev/hd*X /media/somwhere
[03:05] <bill_> stdin, should i disable backports
[03:06] <stdin> bill_: it could help
[03:06] <bill_> ok ill try that
[03:06] <DrX> it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /.de/sda8, missing codepage or other error"
[03:06] <DrX> dmesg | tail says "EXT3-fs: invalid journal inode
[03:07] <cpk1> i suppose if you mount it as ext2 it wont care about the journal
[03:07] <bill_> stdin: nothing
[03:07] <firecrotch> !beryl
[03:07] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:07] <bill_> dang
[03:09] <fuel> what package am i supposed to install for gtk+ ?
[03:10] <tyr> Is there a way to reset all hardware conigurations for kubuntu to the detected values and/or re-run the hardware detection?
[03:10] <DrX> how?
[03:10] <userbn> CCC
[03:12] <fangorious> i have know keyboard layouts to select in the control center, so I can't get my Win key working
[03:12] <fangorious> know -> no
[03:14] <intelikey> does anyone have a clue they could lone me ?
[03:17] <intelikey> what happens if you  /ignore <yournick> all   ?
[03:17] <mervteck> anyone know where i can get Automatix2 without going to the site? it seams its down
[03:18] <stdin> mervteck: DON'T get it
[03:18] <stdin> !automatix | mervteck
[03:18] <ubotu> mervteck: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:18] <Jucato> site isn't down for me thouigh
[03:18] <mervteck> eek lol
[03:18] <Jucato> though*
[03:18] <stdin> intelikey: you should still see your own text
[03:18] <mervteck> if i try to load the wiki it wont work
[03:18] <Daskreech> intelikey: The voices go away
[03:19] <intelikey> yeah  but you can't ping yourslef
[03:19] <intelikey> Daskreech heh ;/
[03:19] <mervteck> can anyone help me install nvidia drivers? normally when i do it the next time i turn on, it FUCKS my system, where X wont load
[03:20] <DrX> cpk1, ext2  gives same error
[03:20] <illusin1> Hello everyone, I just tried to copy 150gb, then canceled it, and my system is hyper-sluggish -- how can I fix this?
[03:21] <Daskreech> !language | mervteck`
[03:21] <ubotu> mervteck`: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:21] <Daskreech> illusin1: My guess is clear /tmp
[03:21] <mervteck> hey now... dont bug meh!  =P
[03:21] <illusin1> Daskreech: how does that affect memory?
[03:21] <mervteck> thats the only describing word that truly tells how bad the system gets
[03:22] <illusin1> mervteck: if that's as expansive as your descriptive capabilities go you should go read a few books
[03:22] <intelikey> mervteck that's probably not your fault.   that's ubuntu reconfiguring the xorg each boot time.   (imo a very very bad idea)...              unless you are using modprobe to install a driver and you didn't setup /etc/modules  to insert it fot you, in which case it would be your fault.
[03:22] <Jucato> !nvidia | mervteck
[03:22] <ubotu> mervteck: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:23] <intelikey> fot ?    eeek    for
[03:24] <fangorious> how do I get keyboard layouts installed? (like generic pc104)
[03:25] <intelikey> fangorious "section input"  in xorg.conf  ?    or do you mean kde specific ?
[03:25] <fangorious> intelikey: kde specific, it's working fine in gnome
[03:26] <intelikey> kcontrol should have it in parifereals  i think
[03:27] <fangorious> intelikey: when i go to kcontrol -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layouts, I have a drop-down menu with no items
[03:29] <intelikey> looking
[03:29] <intelikey> or actually loading a gui so i can look.
[03:29] <fangorious> heh
[03:29] <stdin> kcontrol or system settings?
[03:29] <wincide> !seen jpatrick
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jpatrick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <SolidSource> fangorious: go into adept and search " keyboard layout" ...one of those 4 packages might be what you want
[03:29] <mervteck> so does this installer walkthrew work with 7000 searies geforce cards?
[03:30] <fangorious> stdin: they're pretty much the same thing, aren't they?
[03:30] <stdin> nope
[03:30] <stdin> different apps
[03:30] <fangorious> The Regional & Langauge UI is the same from either one
[03:30] <goodseed> ubuntu pl ?
[03:30] <stdin> !pl
[03:30] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[03:30] <Jucato> !pl | goodseed
[03:30] <ubotu> goodseed: please see above
[03:30] <Jucato> bah
[03:30] <SolidSource> fangorious: system settings is made by kubuntu and kcontrol is made by KDE
[03:31] <fangorious> I've gone in through both
[03:31] <Jucato> System Settings is just a UI/wrapper for kcm (kcontrol modules). kcontrol is the same
[03:31] <Jucato> both use the same modules, only arranged/grouped differently and using a different main interface
[03:32] <mervteck> can anyone reccomend the EASIEST install of nvidia drivers
[03:32] <stdin> fangorious: do you have xkb-data and xkeyboard-config installed? and kubuntu-desktop for that matter?
[03:32] <intelikey> fangorious i don't know what to tell you.  my dapper system shows choices in that section
[03:32] <fangorious> stdin: all three are installed
[03:34] <SolidSource> !info keyboards-rg
[03:34] <ubotu> keyboards-rg: Various keyboard layouts for X-window and linux console. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1 (edgy), package size 12 kB, installed size 148 kB
[03:34] <intelikey> fangorious in the kcontrol you didn't over look the little "enable keybord layont" check box did you ?
[03:34] <fangorious> SolidSource: just tried that one, didn't help
[03:34] <fangorious> intelikey: nope, can't select the layout menu if that's not checked
[03:35] <soulrider> ~java
[03:35] <intelikey> hmmm
[03:35] <soulrider> !java
[03:35] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:35] <intelikey> fangorious not using beryl are you ?
[03:35] <fangorious> intelikey: yes
[03:35] <intelikey> ok there you go.
[03:36] <fangorious> intelikey: hrm, gnome/beryl doesn't seem to have a problem. do you have a link to info on the kde problem? (i haven't found anything with my own googling)
[03:36] <intelikey> !beryl | fangorious the help for beryl is in that channel
[03:36] <ubotu> fangorious the help for beryl is in that channel: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:37] <intelikey> i presonally don't know why beryl and kde are so non-compatable but they do seem to be.
[03:38] <intelikey> and by "non-compatable" i simply mean that one has an adverse affect on the other
[03:39] <Fizzbane> If i have picture on an external hd with a file system NTFS can i use those pictures on linux?
[03:39] <stdin> you can read from ntfs
[03:39] <intelikey> Fizzbane sure
[03:39] <Fizzbane> so i can use them?
[03:39] <stdin> writing is a bit more tricky
[03:39] <intelikey> !ntfs | Fizzbane
[03:39] <ubotu> Fizzbane: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:39] <Fizzbane> can i copy them to my linux hd easily?
[03:40] <stdin> yeah
[03:40] <Fizzbane> ok sounds good
[03:40] <intelikey> very
[03:40] <Fizzbane> i love linux
[03:40] <Fizzbane> its so much nicer than windows
[03:40] <intelikey> many of us in here would concure
[03:41] <Fizzbane> ok can i use that guide to mount an external hd?
[03:41] <Alonea> ok, is there an app like windows' sound recorder? I need to speed up a sound and reverse it.
[03:43] <intelikey> there are many apps that manipulate sound.  how ever sound file format may be an issue. mp3 is propritary as are several others
[03:43] <intelikey> !mp3
[03:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:44] <Fizzbane> intelikey: do i use that guide to mount my usb external or is it meant for internal drives?
[03:44] <intelikey> should work for external too
[03:44] <SolidSource> fizzbane: external should automatically work
[03:44] <Fizzbane> really? awsome
[03:44] <intelikey> usb is pretty well supported
[03:44] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: just like a flash drive
[03:45] <Fizzbane> yup
[03:45] <Fizzbane> my 500gb flash drive
[03:45] <Fizzbane> =P
[03:46] <lourence> hi how do i fix the card reader? it doest read my smart card
[03:46] <Daskreech> !audacity
[03:46] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[03:47] <Fizzbane> horray it did work
[03:48] <c0nv1ct> anyone else using Moblock? i'm getting some strange hits, like the DoD NIC
[03:48] <intelikey> cross-platform ???     does that mean depends on both gtk and qt libs ???
[03:48] <Xiphias> !bitchx
[03:48] <ubotu> bitchx: Advanced Internet Relay Chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1507 kB, installed size 6516 kB
[03:48] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: i think they mean, it works with windows too :)
[03:48] <c0nv1ct> i've used the windows version, but not the linux one
[03:48] <intelikey> ohh!
[03:48] <SolidSource> ...
[03:48] <intelikey> well i've used the linux one but not the doz one
[03:49] <eilker> anyone using audacity on edgy ? i have no text on its menu...
[03:49] <intelikey> dapper here.
[03:49] <Fizzbane> do i have to enable anything to play .mp3 files?
[03:50] <c0nv1ct> Fizzbane: yes
[03:50] <intelikey> you didn't read the page.
[03:50] <fangorious> ok, logged in with plain on xorg+kde. no xgl/beryl. still have an empty menu. :(
[03:50] <SolidSource> eilker: what do you mean? no text in which menu?
[03:50] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to install firefox, i downloaded the tar.gz file but now wut
[03:50] <c0nv1ct> mervteck: dont compile it, use apt-get
[03:50] <stdin> mervteck: use Adept
[03:50] <eilker> SolidSource>: all menus, i mean there are only lines, no file no edit etc...
[03:50] <intelikey> fangorious that just simply can't be.  look again.   heh
[03:51] <mervteck> whats the command in apt-get to get firefox?
[03:51] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: libxine-extracodecs gives mp3 support
[03:51] <stdin> mervteck: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:51] <fangorious> apt-get install firefox
[03:51] <mervteck> ty
[03:51] <Fizzbane> how do i do this?
[03:51] <SolidSource> mervteck: "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[03:51] <c0nv1ct> i swear, they need to emphasize the package system for new people somehow
[03:51] <stdin> wooh, you were late there SolidSource  :P
[03:51] <intelikey> !mp3 | Fizzbane
[03:51] <ubotu> Fizzbane: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:51] <c0nv1ct> so many people come in asking how to compile stuff thats in the repos
[03:52] <intelikey> yes
[03:52] <SolidSource> !info libxine-extracodecs > Fizzbane
[03:53] <Xiphias> Will libreaddvd3 work with most players?
[03:53] <Xiphias> or libdvdread3, can't remember
[03:53] <intelikey> Fizzbane oh you may not have multiverse repos setup.  see !repos
[03:53] <SolidSource> yes
[03:53] <eilker> is kdesu used only for konqueror, or for all graphical things which needs root rights ?
[03:53] <intelikey> all
[03:54] <stdin> eilker: all
[03:54] <stdin> !kdesu
[03:54] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:54] <mervteck> awesome i got it installed now, ty guys
[03:54] <eilker> thanx
[03:54] <Xiphias> Keep in mind, it only installs FF1.5
[03:54] <BluesKaj> kdesu works with kate the text editor as well
[03:54] <Fizzbane> i have multiverse and universe
[03:55] <intelikey> !ff
[03:55] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[03:55] <stdin> FF2 is in backports
[03:55] <Daskreech> !kq
[03:55] <ubotu> kq: adventure game in the spirit of Final Fantasy. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.cvs20060528-3 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 768 kB
[03:55] <SolidSource> Xiphias: depends on what version of OS you have...edgy gets FF2
[03:56] <eilker> i have problem with audacity, any alternatives of it ?
[03:56] <aphroguy> !gimp
[03:56] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[03:56] <Xiphias> Ah, ok. I've only installed the package in dapper.
[03:56] <mervteck> can anyone reccomend how to install wine?
[03:57] <stdin> !wine
[03:57] <eilker> !wine
[03:57] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:57] <intelikey> eilker yes there are but the problem you have may be a simple as going into it's menu and configuring it to use the correct input/output devices/engines
[03:57] <SolidSource> eilker: that or you may just need to relogin, some apps are fixed that way
[03:57] <mervteck> can i just put in konsole deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[03:58] <intelikey> mervteck no
[03:58] <eilker> solidforce: it is same since one week
[03:58] <mervteck> err wate
[03:58] <SolidSource> mervteck: no need
[03:58] <mervteck> wow im retarded
[03:58] <mervteck> lol
[03:58] <SolidSource> mervteck: its in the ubuntu repos
[03:58] <Xiphias> Hmm, FF2 isn't showing up in the backports either.
[03:58] <mervteck> so just go and put in the wget line?
[03:58] <eilker> intellikey: i cant see text in its menu, only lines instead of text
[03:58] <Fizzbane> the line in the restricted formats guide for media files doesnt work
[03:59] <stdin> you can do: echo "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list" then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[03:59] <supa> Greetings.
[03:59] <stdin> mervteck: ^^
[03:59] <supa> I had a quick question about gparted for the current version of Kubuntu.
[03:59] <mervteck> stdin are u registered?
[03:59] <supa> I recall a while back that I tried an installation with Ubuntu 6.10 and gparted had corrupted my partition table.
[03:59] <stdin> mervteck: yep
[03:59] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: do "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[04:00] <stdin> supa: gparted? or qtparted?
[04:00] <supa> Does the gparted included with the latest version of Kubuntu still have issues where it corrupts the partition table?
[04:00] <intelikey> mervteck in a konsole you could,  { echo "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list }   if you did that as root, would add that repo,  but that's not the sujested way.
[04:00] <besonen_mobile> one or two reboots after cleanly installing kubuntu i noticed that grub acquired an additional startup option.  the machine in question dual-boots win xp home.  initially grub gave the typical options to select from at boot-time, with the last option being to boot from "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition".  after one or two or three (i wasn't counting) initial reboots grub now displays and additional line just after the "Microsoft
[04:00] <besonen_mobile>  Windows XP Home Edition" option.  this last option says "Windows NT/2000/XP".  any ideas why this happened?
[04:00] <Lichte> Hi all
[04:00] <supa> Hmm... Hang on. Whatever it is that is included with Ubuntu 6.10 (on the ShipIt disc).
[04:00] <intelikey> mervteck only mentioned too point out that you are not far off on the question.
[04:00] <Fizzbane> solidsource: thanks
[04:01] <SolidSource> mervteck: if you have the repo enabled, just type "sudo apt-get install wine"
[04:01] <Lichte> how's feisty going ?
[04:01] <intelikey> supa is that a known bug you refer to ?
[04:02] <intelikey> Lichte #ubuntu+1
[04:02] <intelikey> that's where all feisty chatter is.
[04:02] <Fizzbane> SolidSource: is that all i have to do?
[04:03] <Lichte> k
[04:03] <supa> intelikey, AFAIK, yes. I recall reading about it on the Ubuntu forums.
[04:04] <nu-> Does kubuntu now allow where to install GRUB, like ubuntu 6.10 does?
[04:04] <SolidSource> mervteck: but if your system can't find the wine package, follow this, it explaines things better (remember change gksudo to kdesu and gedit to kate): http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Windows_Applications_in_Linux_.28Wine.29
[04:04] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: for MP3 yes
[04:04] <supa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/48229
[04:04] <supa> There's the link to the post for it I last read.
[04:05] <intelikey> supa well i don't know the answer to your Q but it must have been something hardware specific, seeing that *buntu has used parted for all install applications sense it's debeau
[04:05] <Fizzbane> SolidSource: what is a good mp3 player with a good EQ and organization system?
[04:05] <SolidSource> supa: if you resized partition...that is extremely questionable, it doesn't work well 100% of the time
[04:06] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: amarok
[04:06] <intelikey> nu- kubuntu is ubuntu at the install level.  the gui installer is buiquity
[04:06] <supa> Well, that's the thing. I have installed it in the past and it worked fine. But with this particular version of Ubuntu, my partition table is always corrupted.
[04:06] <hendaus> hello
[04:06] <Fizzbane> SolidSource: thats the best one?
[04:06] <hendaus> i need a help
[04:06] <supa> Hmmm, do you think if I used a different program (such as PartitionMagic for Windows XP) I may have better luck?
[04:07] <eilker> !gtk
[04:07] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[04:07] <eilker> !ktk
[04:07] <hendaus> anyone knows about amule?
[04:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <sebr> hm, i have onboard sound, and i have an sblive card. how can i force ubuntu to ignore the onboard sound?
[04:07] <SolidSource> Fizzbane: if you don't like it find a new one, theres plenty out there...amarok is what I use for my several hundred GB of music
[04:07] <Lichte> !amule
[04:07] <ubotu> amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[04:08] <intelikey> Fizzbane in the *nix world one quickly learns to refrain from the use of subjective wording like   "best"  and  "right way"   linux is all about choices alternatives and freedom.
[04:08] <eilker> what do we have in kde instead of gtk ?
[04:08] <SolidSource> supa: resizing a partition in any program could cause problems, its not a perfect thing yet
[04:08] <Fizzbane> SolidSource: ok thanks, If i have a soundblaster sound card will it automaticly work?
[04:08] <intelikey> not at all about  the right way to do things and the best app to do it with.
[04:08] <eilker> gtk is for gnome, what for kde ?
[04:09] <Lichte> eilker: qt
[04:09] <eilker> !qt
[04:09] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[04:09] <Fizzbane> intelikey: ok sorry mate. i wont do it again.
[04:09] <eilker> Lichte>thanx
[04:09] <Lichte> eilker: welcome
[04:09] <supa> Fizzbane, thank you for all your help.
[04:09] <intelikey> no offence.  just informing you that there is no "best" mp3 player.   the one you like is the best for you.
[04:10] <Fizzbane> supa: i didnt help you
[04:10] <nu-> Does kubuntu now allow where to install GRUB, like ubuntu 6.10 does?
[04:10] <hendaus_> Lichte,  yes i am using it,but kad show to me (firewalled) and sometimes off
[04:10] <SolidSource> nu-: yes, kubuntu edgy uses grub...and last I remember so did dapper, at least I did
[04:11] <intelikey> SolidSource grub has been the default boot loader sense the birth of the distro
[04:11] <nu-> SolidSource: but does it allow where to install it? like, i installed ubuntu 6.10 and it gave me the option where to install. (hd0,0...hd1,0..etc)
[04:12] <stdin> nu-: yes
[04:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: thats nice...its been too long for me to remember that
[04:12] <nu-> stdin: talking about GRUB here, correct?
[04:12] <intelikey> nu- the alternate install CD
[04:12] <stdin> nu-: yes
[04:12] <nu-> stdin, intelikey: thanks
[04:12] <intelikey> SolidSource only sense 4.10
[04:12] <stdin> nu-: the installer is the same as the ubuntu one, except with a Qt frontend
[04:12] <Fizzbane> If i have a soundblaster audigy sound card do i have to install or do anything for it to work?
[04:13] <stdin> !soundblaster
[04:13] <ubotu> soundblaster is If you need help with setting up your soundblaster card, then visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundcardsWithHardwareSynth
[04:13] <SolidSource> intelikey: ok....its useless knowledge so I won't remember
[04:13] <intelikey> Fizzbane possable that you would need to insert a kernel module.
[04:13] <NightBird> so...Herd should be released sometime next month?
[04:13] <nu-> stdin: qhy qt?
[04:14] <nu-> why*
[04:14] <intelikey> SolidSource yes all man's knowledge is useless.
[04:14] <nu-> kubuntu uses qt?
[04:14] <intelikey> it's all vanity and vexation of spirit.
[04:14] <NightBird> nu-, kubuntu uses kde, which is built on qt...
[04:14] <Fizzbane> intelikey: does that mean i would have a new kernel and i would have to install my nvidia drivers and everything again?
[04:14] <mattp1984> hey i have a question, just installed kubuntu 6.10 on my desktop, it  has a 64 bit AMD processor
[04:14] <intelikey> Fizzbane no
[04:14] <mattp1984> and my USB devices arent working
[04:14] <mattp1984> any ideas?
[04:15] <Fizzbane> intelikey: ok good thanks
[04:15] <hendaus__> Lichte,  yes i am using it,but kad show to me (firewalled) and sometimes off
[04:15] <nu-> thanks
[04:15] <NightBird> do the usb ports work on other systems?  also, what are you trying to put in?
[04:15] <NightBird> er... do the usb ports work on other operating systems
[04:15] <mattp1984> i am trying to use my mouse
[04:15] <SolidSource> intelikey: not all knowledge is useless....is knowing how to rebuild your kernel when it breaks useless?
[04:15] <mattp1984> and yes they work on windows
[04:15] <NightBird> hm...
[04:16] <mattp1984> i used lsusb, and it shows 3 devices
[04:16] <mattp1984> with and ID of 0000000
[04:16] <stdin> nu-: because Kubuntu uses KDE, which uses Qt (like Gnome uses GTK)
[04:16] <NightBird> mattp1984: are those 3 busses? or 3 devices?
[04:16] <mattp1984> 3 busses, each one says device 1
[04:16] <mattp1984> bus 1, device 1
[04:16] <intelikey> Fizzbane when you installed the nvidia driver it inserted a module into the kernel.   that's how hardware support is handled in linux.      a module is a block of code that when inserted into the running kernel, adds support for something that wasn't already supported in the krenel... in short "a driver"     (not all modules are drivers btw)
[04:17] <mattp1984> bus 2, device 1
[04:17] <mattp1984> etc
[04:17] <NightBird> I believe that means it's not detecting any devices then...
[04:17] <NightBird> well... maybe
[04:17] <intelikey> SolidSource yes it is.
[04:17] <NightBird> I'm not sure
[04:17] <nonuda_> guys, i want to run beryl, but i have problem with my nvidia driver, glxinfo | grep render show me this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10444/ , how do i fix this?
[04:17] <intelikey> SolidSource knowing that computers exist is useless...
[04:18] <SolidSource> intelikey: ok...enough...not doing the philosophy thing tonight...that was last night
[04:18] <mattp1984> any idea's on the USB thing?
[04:18] <Fizzbane> intelikey: well i learn something new everyday, and that is the most important one today.
[04:19] <NightBird> where are the desktop setups held at?
[04:19] <intelikey> Fizzbane unlike M$ linux can add and remove support for almost anything while running.
[04:19] <Fizzbane> intelikey: this is why linux is amazing
[04:19] <euphonic05> hi, my mic is not working on my dell inspiron 6400
[04:19] <stdin> nonuda_: do you have the glx module loaded in xorg.conf, like this http://pastebin.ca/396952 ?
[04:20] <euphonic05> or atleast on applications like skype
[04:20] <euphonic05> what can i do?
[04:20] <mattp1984> so i take it no ideas on the USB thing'
[04:20] <intelikey> e'plurabus unim  of the reasons why...
[04:21] <nonuda_> stdin, i have nvidia-glx status installed and so linux-restricted-modules
[04:21] <stdin> nonuda_: that's not what I asked
[04:21] <hendaus__> i am using amule it,but kad show to me (firewalled) and sometimes off,can anyone help thanx
[04:22] <nonuda_> ok..i check my xorg.conf
[04:22] <izauro> hola
[04:22] <intelikey> !es
[04:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:23] <Xaron> hola chicos
[04:23] <Xaron> necesito q me recomienden una aplicac P2P
[04:23] <hendaus__> !es
[04:23] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:24] <nonuda_> stdin, yup i see load "glx" in section module
[04:24] <intelikey> Xaron gaim
[04:25] <Xaron> gaim is messenger
[04:25] <SolidSource> nonuda_: you using nvidia? if so change "nv" to "nvidia"
[04:25] <Xaron> i need P2P aplication
[04:25] <SolidSource> Xaron: frostwire
[04:25] <SolidSource> !frostwire
[04:26] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:26] <stdin> !p2p
[04:26] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[04:26] <Xaron> frostwire works for kubuntu?
[04:26] <hendaus__> can anyone tell me how to turn off the monitor in 15 minutes?
[04:27] <c0nv1ct> i was just about to tell him how too
[04:27] <Xaron> ok boys thanks
[04:28] <nonuda_> yes..when i change the graphics adapter to nvidia, x wont start..i dunno why, it said fatal error running install command for nvdia, (EE) nvidia(o) : failed to load the nvidia kernel module..
[04:28] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: is that the exact error? did it say why it couldnt load it?
[04:28] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: and have you installed the latest drivers from nvidia.com?
[04:28] <intelikey> hendaus__ sleep 900 && apm -S
[04:29] <SolidSource> nonuda_: that sounds like linux-restricted-modules isn't installed...at least not correctly
[04:29] <nonuda_> yup..
[04:29] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: why use the ones from nvidia.com.....they are in the repo
[04:29] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: its a bit tricky, you have to install linux-restricted-modules, then remove nvidia-glx, then reinstall your drivers, then disable the nv module
[04:30] <c0nv1ct> repo has old drivers
[04:30] <aphroguy> Does anyone know if the gimp works on Kubuntu?
[04:30] <c0nv1ct> aphroguy: yes, with gtk libraries
[04:30] <hendaus__> intelikey,  ok where is that option on kubuntu?
[04:30] <nonuda_> i have linux restricted module installed
[04:30] <intelikey> hendaus__ idk.
[04:31] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: are you using Edgy?
[04:31] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: they aren't that old...
[04:31] <nonuda_> yup
[04:31] <intelikey> hendaus__ one could set the kde screen saver to do that maybe...
[04:31] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: if hes using Edgy, they are like 8734 or something, thats way old
[04:31] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336412
[04:32] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: not really...but whatever, they work
[04:32] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: that will get you setup with the latest drivers, and should get xorg running with the nvidia driver
[04:32] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: newer drivers are much faster, especially with newer cards
[04:32] <nonuda_> ok..right now i'm downloading from http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html , should it work too?
[04:32] <intelikey> hendaus__  man apm   was where i got that first idea.  well that and knowing bash syntax pretty well.
[04:33] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: plus, the newer ones have GLX support
[04:33] <aphroguy> c0nv1ct: Can you point me to any forums or anything for how to install it properly?  Haven't really been able to find anything on the web with specifically Kubuntu.
[04:33] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: I have GLX
[04:33] <nonuda_> and when i finish downloading, should i remove the nvidia-glx or not?
[04:33] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: do you run XGL or AIGLX?
[04:34] <c0nv1ct> nonuda_: just follow the howto, it will do it all for you
[04:34] <nonuda_> ok then..
[04:34] <SolidSource> nonuda_: if both the nvidia-glx and the nvidia.com ones are installed...you need to remove of them
[04:34] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: the howto explains how to disable the nv kernel module
[04:34] <nonuda_> oh ok..btw do u know envy?
[04:35] <soulrider> aphroguy: if you wanna install gimp just do "sudo aptitude install gimp"
[04:35] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: yes, but some people miss that part for some reason
[04:35] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: the difference between the new drivers and the ones in the repo are that the new ones dont require a seperate GLX or AIGLX to be installed
[04:36] <intelikey> i do.   i know envy every time i see someone post the specs for their box with gigs of ram and houndreds of gigs of disk space...  i know envy.
[04:36] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: lol
[04:36] <intelikey> :)
[04:36] <intelikey> !envy
[04:36] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[04:36] <duck_> does anyone know of an instant messagin client i can use with Linux?
[04:36] <nu-> what is the command to list which HDs are hd0, hd1, etc?
[04:37] <c0nv1ct> duck_: kopete, gaim, and a few more
[04:37] <Fizzbane> for soundblaster i want to install TiMidity right?
[04:37] <intelikey> nu- cat /boot/grub/devic*
[04:37] <flaccid> i fixed my printer problem. w00h00!
[04:37] <nu-> not grub though
[04:37] <duck_> c0nv1ct i've tried kopete and it didn't work quit well, and i'm very vain and i think gaim is ugly -_-
[04:37] <soulrider> i use GAIM
[04:37] <soulrider> i lvoe it! :D :P
[04:37] <rstanca> hello, I`ve installes kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu, is there a way to remove ubuntu-desktop by a single command?
[04:37] <intelikey> nu- if it's not grub   it's not hd0 hd1
[04:37] <c0nv1ct> kopete works fine for me
[04:37] <soulrider> but it sp,eto,es crashes
[04:37] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: I don't have XGL or AIGLX installed
[04:38] <duck_> as do i... but it looks horrid in kubuntu
[04:38] <nu-> oh
[04:38] <c0nv1ct> SolidSource: you have GLX installed? as in nvidia-glx?
[04:38] <intelikey> nu- you can list partition and disk info    sudo fdisk -l
[04:38] <soulrider> rstanca: there is a way to remove all the packages, yes
[04:38] <intelikey> or cat /proc/partitions
[04:38] <soulrider> i dont know how though, if i were you i would google it
[04:39] <SolidSource> !kdesufix
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesufix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <SolidSource> !kdesu fix
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdesu fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <intelikey> kde suffix ?
[04:39] <intelikey> :)
[04:40] <chino> hi
[04:40] <chino> whats that command i can use on the commandline that installs programs ?
[04:40] <chino> adapteck or something
[04:41] <soulrider> apt-get
[04:41] <soulrider> or aptitude
[04:41] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install packagename
[04:41] <soulrider> but you can also use adept that has a nice gui
[04:41] <DisabledDuck> if i install KDE on Kubuntu, will it add all the KDE programs to kubuntu, or will it change it simply to the default version of KDE?
[04:41] <intelikey> can't use it on the clik
[04:41] <SolidSource> c0nv1ct: well whatever the differences are, I haven't looked (yes, nvidia-glx)...as it works I don't care at this point
[04:42] <rstanca> soulrider, ofcourse i google it first, apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && apt-get autoremove, but it only removes the small ubuntu-desktop package, i want firefox evolution etc gone
[04:42] <Jucato> DisabledDuck: Kubuntu is already using KDE
[04:42] <rstanca> and don`t wanna do it by hand
[04:42] <intelikey> DisabledDuck it will add what ever kde depends on that kubuntu doesn't    it wont change versions
[04:42] <DisabledDuck> Jucato: i know that, but if i type sudo apt-get install kde, it lets me install it
[04:42] <NightBird> so I'm wanting to get alglx working...
[04:42] <Jucato> rstanca: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:42] <NightBird> who wants to help me figure this out?
[04:43] <DisabledDuck> Jucato, and Kubuntu is missing a lot of my favorite KDE programs -_-
[04:43] <NightBird> I found an error in the log... saying dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed undefined symbol
[04:43] <intelikey> rstanca remove gconf  maybe
[04:44] <Jucato> DisabledDuck: "kde" in the repositories is a metapackage that installs *all* of the kde modules. and I mean all. that's a lot. everything in kdenetwork, everything in kdemultimedia, everything in kdegraphics, everything in kdeaddons, everything in kdeutils, *everything*
[04:44] <Jucato> why not just install what KDE app you want/need?
[04:44] <DisabledDuck> Jucato: thats a lot of apt-getting -_-
[04:44] <SolidSource> !sudofix
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sudofix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <Jucato> compared to a lot of unneeded packages/programs?
[04:44] <SolidSource> DisabledDuck: why not use adept/synaptic then
[04:45] <Jucato> besides, you can just "sudo apt-get install package1 package2 package3 package4"
[04:45] <intelikey> Jucato on a system that starts with ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-minimal  installing  kde  is less of a dl than installing kubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <DisabledDuck> SolidSource: hmmm, good idea, i could just sift through all the ones i want
[04:45] <yinni> hola
[04:45] <Jucato> intelikey: you do mean kde-core do you?
[04:45] <intelikey> Jucato no
[04:45] <intelikey> i meant what i said.
[04:45] <rstanca> thanks jucato
[04:45] <SolidSource> !sudo
[04:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:45] <soulrider> rstanca: i didnt mean the google thing as an offece or as in "google it an dondt bother"
[04:45] <Jucato> hm.. really?
[04:46] <intelikey> absolutely
[04:46] <soulrider> rstanca: let me see if i can find the article for you
[04:46] <Jucato> well I haven't tried, but I'm imagining you're only talking about download time, not the number of packages installed, like what I was pointing out
[04:46] <rstanca> souldrider, don`t bother :)
[04:47] <rstanca> souldrider http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[04:47] <DisabledDuck> Does Konqueror have any benefits as opposed to Firefox?
[04:47] <intelikey> Jucato i have  ubuntu-desktop and kde installed  if i issue the command right now to install kubuntu-desktop it says "After unpacking 190MB of additional disk space will be used."
[04:48] <dk_ii> DisabledDuck it is the fastest browser for Linux (apparently)
[04:48] <SolidSource> DisabledDuck: depends on who you ask....I say no...Jucato says yes
[04:48] <intelikey> that's beside the point but yes the reason i have kde and not kubuntu-desktop is the dl size.
[04:48] <Jucato> intelikey: I never said anything about download size. I was talking about the number of packages that he might not need
[04:49] <DisabledDuck> well "fast" is besides the point, am i giving away my credit card number by using Konquerer is what i really wanna know
[04:49] <SolidSource> DisabledDuck: personally I get faster web surfing in firefox...but konqueror has faster program load time
[04:49] <SolidSource> DisabledDuck: they are both just as secure each other
[04:49] <aphroguy> soulrider: thanks a lot, worked like a charm!
[04:49] <soulrider> rstanca: thats the article i was looking for i think
[04:49] <chino> i gave my freind the command  "sudo aptitude install x11vnc" but yet he says he stil cant find the command
[04:49] <DisabledDuck> SolidSource: hmmm... alright, thanks
[04:50] <soulrider> 'no prob aphroguy, it doesnt matter if an app is a gnome app, it will still work in kde
[04:50] <intelikey> "installs *all* of the kde modules. and I mean all. that's a lot. ..." looked like you were implying that it was huge.   it's smaller than  kubuntu-desktop    thats all i was saying.
[04:50] <intelikey> Jucato ^
[04:50] <c0nv1ct> wow, i see what they mean about sudo messing up permissions when running X apps
[04:50] <c0nv1ct> installing ut2k3 with sudo totally screwed up
[04:50] <Daskreech> :-D
[04:51] <Daskreech> ut2k3?
[04:51] <Daskreech> Wow
[04:51] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm not only implying that it's huge. I mean that it is huge. but notice I didn't say anything about download size or speed
[04:51] <soulrider> rstanca: thats the article iw as looking for, i remeber some time ago someone came with the same issue you have now
[04:51] <soulrider> rstanca: im gonna bookmark it
[04:51] <pollyo> Hello
[04:52] <rstanca> soulrider you should thank jucato ::)
[04:52] <intelikey> but it's not that big.   lot of little bitty applets/modules and binaries   not huge in the sense of disk space or dl band width
[04:52] <pollyo> Anyone know if you can remote view a Windows XP system under Linux?
[04:52] <SolidSource> pollyo: yeah...VNC
[04:53] <DisabledDuck> Okay, check this out, when i boot up 6.10 (as opposed to when i used 6.06) i get a staticy lines across my screen, it really doesn't affect anything, but when i'm trying to show Linux off to people, they always go "wtf is that?" does anyone know a way i can fix it?
[04:53] <pollyo> SolidSource: What does VNC stand for or is that the app name?
[04:53] <Jucato> intelikey: I never said anything about file size either. please don't put words into my mouth
[04:53] <SolidSource> pollyo: its a type of program....Virtual Network Computing. (or something like that)
[04:54] <Jucato> very funny.
[04:54] <SolidSource> !vnc
[04:54] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[04:54] <Jucato> actually, no. I''m not amused
[04:54] <intelikey> Jucato if you'll stop being so defensive, i'll stop attacking everything you say.
[04:54] <pollyo> Thanks... Looking at it now..
[04:54] <cosmo_> does beryl work with kubuntu?
[04:54] <chino> does the default sources.list come with internet resources ?
[04:54] <omeil> has anyone here ever ran a Gambas project before?
[04:54] <Jucato> intelikey: if you stop putting words in to my mouth, I'll stop being defensive
[04:55] <SolidSource> pollyo: www.realvnc.com is one of the main windows one....
[04:55] <SolidSource> pollyo: but there are so many out there
[04:55] <intelikey> no deal   as long as you talk you get words.
[04:55] <intelikey> :)
[04:55] <Daskreech> cosmo_: Yes
[04:55] <omeil> Does anyone here have Gambas installed? i can't seem to run any of my applicaitons on other comps
[04:55] <cosmo_> sweet
[04:55] <Daskreech> !gambas
[04:55] <ubotu> gambas: Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.15-1 (edgy), package size 952 kB, installed size 2224 kB
[04:56] <Minataku> Weeeee!
[04:56] <cosmo_> I'm liking kubuntu more and more  =)
[04:56] <omeil> so anyone have it installed? :D
[04:56] <pollyo> SolidSource: Does that realvnc.com work on both linux and windows?
[04:56] <omeil> i need someone to test a .sh for me
[04:57] <SolidSource> pollyo: yes...kubuntu has VNC built in though
[04:58] <SolidSource> !krfb > pollyo
[04:58] <pollyo> SolidSource: Ok.  I'll start with VNC and then look at the others.
[04:58] <omeil> So does anyone here have Gambas installed?
[04:58] <Skuller> i just came back from school...and i see Jucato and intelikey having a good time with each other's words?!....lol...keep it up
[04:59] <SolidSource> !krdc > pollyo
[04:59] <SolidSource> pollyo: those 2 programs are in the default install of kubuntu
[04:59] <intelikey> kde and *ubuntu-desktop depend on     vnc-common* xvncviewer*
[04:59] <nonuda_> !id
[04:59] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[05:00] <intelikey> omeil where's the script ?
[05:00] <pollyo> SolidSource: The free "Real VNC" looks like it is lacking quite a bit.
[05:00] <pollyo> SolidSource: I wonder if the other is any better.
[05:01] <omeil> intelikey: can i send it to you through Xchat?
[05:01] <intelikey> yeah
[05:01] <SolidSource> pollyo: thats just one...theres so many VNC programs out there
[05:01] <intelikey> well i mean you have my permission... as to whether you not you can....
[05:01] <omeil> intelikey: this is just a test proggy to see if it works on your system
[05:01] <Xiphias>  sudo bash
[05:01] <Xiphias> Whoops.
[05:01] <intelikey> k
[05:02] <intelikey> omeil i'm gonna read through it first.
[05:02] <omeil> intel did u recieve any requests in xchat?
[05:02] <intelikey> nope.
[05:02] <SolidSource> pollyo: are you trying to access the windows machine or use the windows machine to access the linux machine?
[05:02] <intelikey> you firewalled in ?
[05:02] <omeil> hmm u have msn or yahoo?
[05:02] <intelikey> no
[05:02] <intelikey> just pastebin it.
[05:02] <omeil> im on a network but the XP machine has one tho
[05:03] <pollyo> SolidSource: I want to be able to go both ways.
[05:03] <intelikey> unless it's like 800k  hehhe then the pastebin might explode
[05:04] <omeil> intelikey: would it work if its written in VB?
[05:04] <SolidSource> pollyo: well its easy for linux to access windows...but the other way can be tricky
[05:04] <intelikey> prolly not
[05:04] <omeil> !paste
[05:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:04] <pollyo> SolidSource: Access either desktop.  From Linux > XP and XP > Linux.
[05:04] <intelikey> you said .sh  i was thinking bash script    err shell script.
[05:05] <omeil> no its actually an executable.
[05:05] <intelikey> ok i'll give it a look anyway.
[05:05] <omeil> ill upload it
[05:06] <compilerwriter> Alright people this is the mystery.  I was having issues with my floppy drive.  So just to be certain the blasted thing didn't get accidently disconnected when I vacuumed out the box a few weeks ago I shutdown and opened up the box and took a look.  All was well, and the floppy thing got sorted out.  But now I am having trouble with my XDMP connections to my box via xming that I was not having before.  I can single
[05:06] <compilerwriter> instance proggys via ssh and tunneling, but I can no longer do the xdcp thing.  What the hell is going on?  Where do I start looking?
[05:06] <SolidSource> pollyo: well follow the !vnc then ....cause VNC over SSH is most secure
[05:06] <SolidSource> pollyo: theres also this tut: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_connect_into_remote_Ubuntu_desktop_via_Windows_machine
[05:06] <omeil> http://files-upload.com/131473/UnixScape.tar.bz2.html try that
[05:06] <intelikey> k
[05:07] <pollyo> SolidSource: Great.  Thanks.
[05:07] <beta> hi
[05:08] <beta> would someone willing to help a noob out with the repositories? i might be a bit numb on this topic but i just dont get how exactly they work
[05:08] <beta> +be
[05:08] <compilerwriter> pollyo:  If you are behind a secure network the easiest thing to do should be XDMP session.  My problems with it notwithstanding.
[05:08] <compilerwriter> However do not XDMP across the internet.
[05:09] <intelikey> omeil i'm not registered there.
[05:10] <compilerwriter> beta the repos hold packages which basically self install programs.  That is the really simple concept.
[05:10] <pollyo> compilerwriter: What would be considered a secure network?
[05:11] <compilerwriter> pollyo:  I use XDMP from within my home network.  My linux box is headless.
[05:11] <omeil> intelikey: you don't need to be registered just scroll down and click download
[05:11] <beta> compilerwriter: yes i understand that part and i used synaptic and apt-get for awhile
[05:11] <pollyo> compilerwriter: I'll check that out as well. thanks.
[05:11] <beta> but i never really basically understood the concept really
[05:12] <compilerwriter> pollyo: I would never do it over the net though to another machine.  XDMP is not secured for that.
[05:12] <pollyo> compilerwriter: The two computers are on my homenetwork.
[05:13] <compilerwriter> pollyo:  What I did was use Xming as my xserver on my Windows box.
[05:14] <beta> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <beta> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[05:14] <beta>   Major opcode:  144
[05:14] <beta>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:14] <beta>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:14] <beta> Failed to open device
[05:14] <beta> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[05:14] <beta>   Major opcode:  144
[05:14] <beta>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:15] <beta>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:15] <beta> Failed to open device
[05:15] <beta> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[05:15] <beta> kate: WARNING: Can't open /root/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[05:15] <beta> argh...sorry didnt mean to flood the channel
[05:15] <nixternal> beta, sorry bout that
[05:15] <nixternal> !pastebin
[05:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <beta> sorry i didnt know it would auto send it on middleclick
[05:15] <nixternal> you got collected in my script
[05:16] <splunge> obnewbiequestion: how to install / where to find kuickshow for Edgy?
[05:16] <beta> its ok i didnt mean to tho sry
[05:16] <omeil> beta:is that what it sent to you in terminal?
[05:16] <nixternal> beta: understandable :)
[05:16] <compilerwriter> Pollyo:  See this site for setup:  freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming  It has a good example of XDMCP  a little down the page.  You can get Xming and the fonts from sourceforge.
[05:16] <compilerwriter> beta: then what is the problem you are having with repos?
[05:17] <beta> omeil: yup, and i was a bit confused does the error refer to the bookmarks thingy or is it something serious?
[05:17] <pollyo> compilerwriter: Ok.
[05:18] <beta> compilerwriter: might i query you about it? i gotta warn you though that im really a bit numb on this topic
[05:18] <omeil> beta: im not sure,my error goes down to failed to open device then executes :( damn gambas and its gay programming lol
[05:18] <beta> omeil: what do you mean by gambas?
[05:19] <omeil> !gambas
[05:19] <ubotu> gambas: Visual development environment for the Gambas programming language. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.15-1 (edgy), package size 952 kB, installed size 2224 kB
[05:19] <beta> ok thx ;)
[05:19] <omeil> its a programming language similar to VB
[05:19] <Skuller> What do you do when a Sardar throws a hand grenade at you?
[05:19] <Skuller> Pull the pin and throw it back.
[05:19] <beta> well it opned up in kate...so ill look into it later
[05:19] <Skuller> What do you do when a Sardar throws a hand grenade at you?
[05:19] <Skuller> Pull the pin and throw it back.
[05:19] <Skuller> What do you do when a Sardar throws a hand grenade at you?
[05:19] <Skuller> Pull the pin and throw it back.
[05:19] <Skuller> What do you do when a Sardar throws a hand grenade at you?
[05:19] <Skuller> Pull the pin and throw it back.
[05:19] <omeil> cool
[05:19] <Skuller> sorry
[05:19] <Skuller> it was the lag
[05:20] <splunge> question: How to install (or where to find) kuickshow for Edgy?
[05:20] <pollyo> BRB
[05:21] <beta> my sources.list seems to be terrribly messed up....it always seems after a fresh install
[05:22] <beta> basically every repository is uncommented....there isnt even a cd reposoitorie at all
[05:23] <compilerwriter> beta query away.  Hopefully I can help.
[05:23] <griphiam> What file in /etc defines the network interfaces?
[05:23] <Daskreech> beta: They are all >un< commented?
[05:24] <intelikey> griphiam /etc/network/ifaces  ?
[05:24] <intelikey> interfaces
[05:24] <griphiam> After a previous upgrade (I have one on going now), I lost eth1 which is my wireless
[05:24] <beta> Daskreech: yes every single last one....not even the cd repository is there which should be the case after fresh install according to the handbook
[05:25] <beta> compilerwriter: cool
[05:25] <griphiam> Its still defined in /etc/network/interfaces, however its not listed when I do ifconfig
[05:25] <griphiam> Any ideas where to look?
[05:25] <intelikey> heh there isn't a download button on that page.   it's that confounded anti-textmode junk.
[05:26] <beta> compilerwriter: darn cant query you
[05:27] <intelikey> griphiam where to look ?    dmesg   ?          what are you looking for ?
[05:27] <beta> ok i will try it here and make a complte fool out of me...
[05:27] <griphiam> My eth1 interface...
[05:27] <griphiam> It should be listed when I do ifconfig but it's not
[05:28] <intelikey> griphiam only if it's up...
[05:28] <intelikey> griphiam sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[05:28] <griphiam> I tried doing "sudo ifup eth1"
[05:28] <griphiam> Let me try that
[05:28] <cube> can someone give a link so that i can follow on to how to isntall my video card"radeon 9800 pro" thanks
[05:29] <griphiam> I get "Error: No such device"
[05:29] <intelikey> !ati | cube
[05:29] <ubotu> cube: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <cube> thanks
[05:29] <intelikey> griphiam then i sujest that it's needing a module.
[05:29] <duck_> how do i enable universe and multiverse in kubuntu?
[05:29] <griphiam> hmmm I must have lost it during a previous upgrade
[05:29] <intelikey> !repos | duck_
[05:29] <ubotu> duck_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:30] <intelikey> griphiam if you know the module name (if it's in the kernel modules)  sudo modprobe modulename
[05:30] <griphiam> when I do "dmesg | grep -i wireless" I can see my hardware... ipw2200
[05:31] <griphiam> would ipw2200 be the modulename?
[05:31] <intelikey> ah wireless.  maybe not eth#  something else
[05:31] <intelikey> !wifi | griphiam
[05:31] <ubotu> griphiam: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:32] <griphiam> Thanks... I'll take a look
[05:32] <griphiam> (frustrating thing is that it was working fine before)
[05:32] <intelikey> before what ?
[05:32] <griphiam> I did a apt-get upgrade a few days ago
[05:33] <beta> compilerwriter: well, one of the things i dont get is if there are programs that are available via more than one repositorie how does apt-get decids from which repository it gets the package for example:
[05:34] <griphiam> =)  But where's the fun in that?
[05:34] <intelikey> i can break a non-updated system as good as anyone...
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:35] <beta> compilerwriter: lets say i want to install firefox which probably is available in the main repo but there is also a newer version in universe...hich one will get installed?
[05:36] <beta> compilerwriter: do i always have to edit the sources.list before to make sure its gets the version of a software i want and not a newer (maybe unstable one)
[05:37] <intelikey> the newer if "universe" is enabled....  but in that case it would be "backports" not universe
[05:38] <intelikey> beta and you setup repos one time.    (answering for compilerwriter)
[05:38] <intelikey> who seems to have droped his connection.
[05:38] <beta> intelik: eek...so i indeed have to edit the sources.list before every install to make sure i get the stable...or the newest version of a software (whatever i prefer in that sepcific case)?
[05:38] <DisabledDuck> is there any way to get fonts from Windows onto Linux?
[05:39] <stdin> !fonts
[05:39] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[05:39] <intelikey> beta no you setup your sources.list one time.   no more.
[05:39] <beta> i will never get it i fear...
[05:39] <beta> sheesh
[05:40] <intelikey> you update your database before you install...   in adept there is a update button and on the cli  sudo apt-get update
[05:40] <griphiam> hmmmm
[05:40] <SolidSource> beta: you could just update the sources.list file
[05:40] <griphiam> For some reason in my modprobe.d directory I have a ipw3945 file
[05:40] <griphiam> dmesg distinctly says ipw2200
[05:41] <intelikey> griphiam does lshw  tell you what it is ?
[05:41] <beta> intelikey: hm, thats not what i mean....let me try it again....ok, so there is a repository for stable packages of software and there is a repository that holds the latest packages of software (which might not always be stable) right?
[05:42] <pollyo> compilerwriter: I went with the freevnc (for now)  I am looking at my windows xp desktop from kubuntu.  It was a snap to install.
[05:42] <griphiam> It says network:1 UNCLAIMED and it is a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[05:42] <nonuda_> i try to edit this file /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common, i don't have gedit, how do i do it without gedit?
[05:42] <intelikey> beta  there are such repos but not the   ubuntu supported repos.
[05:43] <stdin> nonuda_: kate
[05:43] <intelikey> beta in theory, everything in ubuntu official repos should work.
[05:43] <stdin> nonuda_: kdesu kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[05:43] <nonuda_> ok...thanks
[05:43] <beta> intelikey: hm, ok but basically what i mean is there are different versions of the same software in the ubuntu repos (main, rstricted, universe and multiverse) right?
[05:44] <SolidSource> stdin: you wouldn't know where I could get kernel 2.6.17.12 or even 2.6.20 in edgy....without compiling it myself
[05:44] <griphiam> intelikey : since lshw can see it, how do I assign it (give it a logical name?)
[05:45] <intelikey> generally no.   different versions would be in the  update and security version of the same main  or universe repo
[05:45] <beta> intelikey: i accepted..hope it works....wouldnt hurt to take a look at yours mine seems messed up
[05:45] <omeil> Acetoneiso is pretty good :D
[05:45] <intelikey> griphiam what does it see?
[05:46] <griphiam> intelikey : It says network:1 UNCLAIMED and it is a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[05:46] <intelikey> beta yes that's for referance   didn't intend you to just copy it over and use it.   although if the version "dapper/edgy/feisty" is the same it should work.
[05:46] <griphiam> intelikey : network:0 is assigned the logical name eth0 (and its the wire)
[05:46] <beta> inteli: ok if thats the case then i think i got it now
[05:47] <stdin> SolidSource: you *could* try and download the debs and install them, or add the feisty/main repo, install the linux-image package (without updating anything else)
[05:47] <intelikey> griphiam second.
[05:47] <griphiam> np
[05:47] <beta> intelikey: i always thought there were different versions of some software packages in the repos....so i dindt understtand how it would ecide which ones to get in that case
[05:47] <SolidSource> stdin: my head hurts already...
[05:48] <stdin> SolidSource: it is probably less dangerous to compile it
[05:49] <cube> can i get the link on to how to isntall the video card drivers. thanks again
[05:49] <intelikey> griphiam what does    lsmod | grep ipw2200    say ?
[05:49] <omeil> !bin
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <SolidSource> stdin: ....I'll see...just trying to get latest nvidia-glx package...but my kernel isn't high enough for it
[05:50] <griphiam> intelikey : ipw2200               148040  0
[05:50] <griphiam> intelikey : ieee80211              34760  2 ipw3945,ipw2200
[05:50] <intelikey> SolidSource can you help griphiam get second wifi card up ?
[05:50] <omeil> mono-1.2.3.1_2-installer.bin how do i install bin files again?
[05:50] <intelikey> looks like the driver is inserted
[05:51] <intelikey> or stdin ?
[05:51] <SolidSource> intelikey: ....no, don't use any wifi with linux...
[05:51] <stdin> omeil: any reason for needing to install that?
[05:51] <intelikey> SolidSource k
[05:51] <SolidSource> intelikey: so I don't know much about the wifi
[05:51] <omeil> stdin: programming
[05:51] <stdin> intelikey: I don't have a wireless connection, so I wouldn't know
[05:51] <intelikey> well that makes three of us.
[05:51] <griphiam> =)
[05:52] <stdin> omeil: and you aren't using the one packaged by ubuntu, why?
[05:52] <griphiam> (I'm looking through the bug reports at the moment)
[05:52] <omeil> there is on packaged by ubuntu?
[05:52] <beta> intelikey: so i should have every official repo put after the security and update archives like this: "http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse" and the same for the update archive?
[05:52] <stdin> !mono
[05:52] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[05:52] <intelikey> beta yeah.
[05:53] <stdin> omeil: yeah, just search for it in adept, or "sudo apt-get install mono"
[05:53] <beta> intelikey: unfortunately the file transfer didnt work
[05:53] <compilerwriter> I figured out what went wrong with xdmcp
[05:53] <griphiam> AHHH
[05:53] <compilerwriter> on my box.
[05:53] <omeil> stdin:the packaged one is old tho
[05:53] <intelikey> beta i'll paste it.
[05:53] <griphiam> Ummm  I did dmeg | grep ipw2200 (should have done it before)
[05:54] <stdin> omeil: but it's known to work with your system
[05:54] <griphiam> [   24.936000]  ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[05:54] <griphiam> [   26.304000]  ipw2200: Unable to load ucode: -62
[05:54] <griphiam> [   26.304000]  ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -62
[05:54] <griphiam> [   26.576000]  ipw2200: failed to register network device
[05:54] <griphiam> [   26.576000]  ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5
[05:54] <compilerwriter> now can some one tell me how to make certain that kdm is my default dm?
[05:54] <stdin> !paste
[05:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:55] <griphiam> Sorry =)  I'll use it next time
[05:55] <stdin> compilerwriter: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to say "/usr/bin/kdm"
[05:55] <beta> intelikey: maybe i can send you mine....so you could tell me if its messed up or not
[05:55] <compilerwriter> Thanks stdin
[05:55] <griphiam> I'm not sure what to do with the error though
[05:55] <intelikey> beta http://pastebin.ca/397031
[05:56] <intelikey> or http://pastebin.ca/raw/397031
[05:56] <pollyo> BBL
[05:56] <beta> intelikey: for example i havent got an update mirror anywhere instead there is an entry like this http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates
[05:56] <beta> intelikey: ill have alook - thx!
[05:57] <intelikey> i'm out for a while.
[05:57] <compilerwriter> pollyo are you still with us?
[05:58] <beta> intelikey: thx for helping!
[05:58] <intelikey> griphiam /etc/w<something>    not eth   but i dont' know.
[05:58] <beta> intelikey: bye
[05:58] <intelikey> beta luck with it.
[05:59] <compilerwriter> beta did you get things sorted out?  I sort of had to take a phone call.
[06:00] <beta> compilerwriter: the fog cleared a bit thx for asking! but i stil dont understand every part of it
[06:01] <compilerwriter> beta:  It would take several hundred people to be certain we had all the nuances of every little bit of linux understood completely.
[06:01] <compilerwriter> beta: live and learn.  We do what we can to help here.
[06:01] <compilerwriter> Good night; or, Good morrow as the case may be for you all.
[06:02] <beta> compilerwriter: hehe yes im very thankful for you guys helping out here - dindt want to come across wrong sry
[06:02] <beta> compilerwriter: english isnt my native language
[06:02] <beta> compilerwriter: gn8 and thx again
[06:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: you see the post?
[06:06] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: not yet. haven't checked my feeds
[06:07] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: weren't you going to send me some documentation on something?
[06:07] <Admiral_Chicago> kk, i seemed to have fixed my issue. the relevant stuff is second paragraph
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> SolidSource: i'm sorry, for what was I supposed to send you doc work?
[06:08] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: something on firefox...
[06:08] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: don't remember much more than that though
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> SolidSource: KDE integration?
[06:09] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: yeah....and if it says kpart will start working in firefox...I will be very very happy
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> kpart does what?
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry it has been a while
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> plus, just got the intratubes working
[06:09] <griphiam> intelikey : thanks for your time!  I'm going to try a bit more to play with the driver or kernel (can't tell which) and if necessary, go back to the last kernel
[06:09] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: the post entitled "Frustration"
[06:10] <Jucato> ?
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[06:10] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: kpart gives konqueror java, flash and stuff
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i fixed the frustrating part it seems though Jucato
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> ah yes.
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> sic
[06:10] <SolidSource> !kpart
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> err give me a sec
[06:10] <Jucato> :)
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <SolidSource> hmm
[06:10] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: well..its on the kde website docs
[06:11] <ashmaus> 'lo all
[06:11] <SolidSource> BRB...need to restart
[06:11] <Jucato> rewhat? :D
[06:11] <SolidSource> Admiral_Chicago: be back...just finished upgrading video drivers
[06:12] <cosmo_> this is odd, I edited the xorg file like the guide said to enable twinview and it works in ubuntu but it is not using my second monitor in kubuntu. any ideas?
[06:13] <ashmaus> With MS Vista, failure is not an option
[06:14] <ashmaus> It comes pre-installed
[06:14] <cosmo_> lol
[06:15] <SolidSource> alright
[06:15] <ashmaus> new vid work alright?
[06:15] <SolidSource> yep
[06:15] <SolidSource> even see new features in the config
[06:17] <ashmaus> What's a good wireless card for Kubuntu?
[06:17] <beta> would this be the correct entry to have all official ubuntu repos enabled: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse ?
[06:18] <ashmaus> Or anyone got a good link for a guide for Broadcom on a amd64?
[06:18] <nixternal> anything with the Orinoco, Atheros, or PrismII/54 chips
[06:18] <beta> (ubtade and security not included)
[06:18] <beta> +p -b
[06:18] <SolidSource> ashmaus: well in dapper...I used intel and msi...but I haven't used wireless in linux for a while
[06:19] <nixternal> beta: that would be correct for all of the main dapper packages, but you would also want
[06:19] <nixternal> dapper-updates and dapper-backports on seperate lines
[06:19] <ashmaus> thx nixternal, which of those would you reccomend?
[06:19] <nixternal> i.e., ->  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[06:19] <nixternal> and then one for dapper-backports
[06:20] <ashmaus> Solid, you should try it...computing in the great outdoors....   :)
[06:20] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > beta
[06:20] <beta> nixternal: yep, hold on is this correct for all official ubuntu update repos: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[06:20] <nixternal> ashmaus: any of the 3 as they have open drivers, so you can get full function with the cards
[06:20] <nixternal> beta: you got it
[06:20] <beta> nixternal: sorry you posted it already
[06:20] <nixternal> hehe, tis ok
[06:20] <SolidSource> ashmaus: I use wireless..but I got windows on laptop cause I got tired of wireless problems in kubuntu...didn't have wireless problems in fedora or SuSE
[06:21] <beta> nixternal: now for security: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse ?
[06:21] <SolidSource> ashmaus: waiting for Feisty before trying again
[06:22] <userund> SolidSource, the underlying programs are all the same.  you can get wireless up and running on all distros if it works on one
[06:22] <userund> maybe not _out of box_ all the time
[06:23] <SolidSource> userund: never said I didn't get it to work...just didn't like the intermentant disconnects
[06:23] <ashmaus> I'm running Feisty on a laptop (dual-booting with XP), the KNetworkManager can tell me what I have in the box, it just can't activate it.
[06:23] <userund> SolidSource, intermittent.  well, whatever works
[06:23] <beta> its abit confusing that there is an extra mirror for security but not for updates
[06:24] <SolidSource> userund: spelling....not something I pride myself in
[06:24] <computerex> are there any screen shots of KDE 3.5.6 ?
[06:24] <SolidSource> userund: nor do I even pay attention most of the time
[06:24] <beta> can someone confirm this is the correct entry to enable all oficial security repos: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[06:25] <userund> SolidSource, whatever works
[06:25] <beta> SolidSource: thx for the hint just noticed it
[06:26] <SolidSource> ashmaus: it can't activate your cards?
[06:26] <SolidSource> card *
[06:26] <beta> ok should be correct then
[06:26] <kRush> hi, where would be a good place to install games like quakeIV or WoW? /usr/games, ~/whatever does it matter at all?
[06:27] <userund> doesn't matter really.  /usr/local or /opt is fine too as well as ~
[06:27] <kRush> ok thx
[06:28] <ashmaus> Nope. It tells me the propper version and everything, just won't activate it.  Forums say it's a driver issue
[06:28] <beta> what do i need the sources for (deb-src)?
[06:28] <ashmaus> Used a tutorial to install a different driver with ndiswrapper, but that failed
[06:29] <SolidSource> ashmaus: ok you convinced me...I'll install kubuntu laptop....though it may take a bit
[06:29] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: well if you dont need KDE use the server install cd.
[06:29] <userund> kde rules.
[06:29] <unix_infidel> wont take more than 15minutes that way :)
[06:30] <ashmaus> Other then that one issue, *IMHO* Feisty kicks ass
[06:30] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: trying to troubleshoot something in kde...so kinda need it
[06:30] <unix_infidel> ashmaus: really?  gimme a couple reasons, i'd bein interested to hear your input.
[06:31] <SolidSource> actually....I can't installl linux on my laptop....doesn't support SLI
[06:32] <ashmaus> Ok, mostly UI stuff and how easy it is to configure to my taste.
[06:32] <ashmaus> SLI?
[06:32] <userund> nvidia?  nvidia supports their cards pretty well
[06:33] <SolidSource> Nvidia SLI....2 video cards acting as one...just you all the driver features for it to work correctly
[06:33] <SolidSource> just you have to have*
[06:33] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: what do you need sli?
[06:33] <userund> yeah, on a laptop of all things
[06:33] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: also, linux does support sli.
[06:33] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: ultimate graphics rendering
[06:33] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: for what?
[06:34] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: gaming
[06:34] <unix_infidel> ultimate=productive....gaming...
[06:34] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: if you want to be gaming, i mean really GAMING, stick to windows.
[06:34] <userund> gaming is not really a reality on linux.
[06:34] <unix_infidel> i'm not here to convince gaming fanboys of why they should run linux, only that if they spend most of their day gaming, they should stick to windows.
[06:34] <SolidSource> userund: yeah true...though I have WoW running just as good on linux as windows
[06:35] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: right, but how intensive is wow.
[06:35] <ashmaus> I am still new to this "Linux thing", but I checked out a few distros (Fedora, Sabyon (several more in a drunken haze) and Feisty seems to have the best mix of "tools" eye-kandy and ease of use.
[06:35] <computerex> Yesterday I ran dos box and played Dangerous dave and Prince of persia :D
[06:35] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: got Dooom 3 working too
[06:35] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: last time i played doom was on my win95 box.
[06:35] <userund> SolidSource, WoW is good work but Doom3 runs natively on linux
[06:36] <SolidSource> userund: ummm not last I looked, at least its not the box
[06:36] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: and again,*THERE IS* linux support for SLI
[06:36] <userund> SolidSource, doesn't say on the box but it does.  if you're running it in wine, you're probably not getting the best performance you could.
[06:36] <unix_infidel> but unless you're running a rendering cluster like me, you wont need it.
[06:36] <userund> it's native
[06:36] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: yes...but for the GO cards?
[06:36] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: sure thing.
[06:37] <ashmaus> I think Vista will be a great boost for Linux gaming
[06:37] <unix_infidel> ashmaus: i have to disagree there, i think dx10 and dx9l is going to clinch gaming for windows platforms.
[06:37] <userund> ashmaus, not so sure about that.  directx 10 could leave linux behind especially since they're dropping opengl support from what I heard.
[06:37] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: theres not even a linux driver for GO cards...so sacrafice my low battery life even more
[06:38] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: ok, good for you.
[06:38] <unix_infidel> i'm not here to convince you of what i've already told you.
[06:38] <unix_infidel> and i know what i've told you to be true.
[06:39] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: ok, so it supports SLI...but the automatic disabling of 1 card when on battery is where I'm finding problems
[06:39] <unix_infidel> SolidSource: again, you are a fool is you need to be doing advanced rendering on battery.
[06:39] <unix_infidel> especially SCALABLE rendering.
[06:39] <beta> could sombody try to reach  http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu for me?
[06:39] <ashmaus> Well, you may be right there, but I think the price and problems will draw more people to linux
[06:40] <userund> beta, works well
[06:40] <SolidSource> unix_infidel: ok...don't be an ass...you obviously don't understand what I'm saying
[06:40] <beta> it seems i cant connect neither via apt-get or adept
[06:40] <beta> damn
[06:40] <beta> userund: thx
[06:40] <userund> ashmaus, I'd hope so but I doubt it.  the first SP will probably disable their annoying user control system by default or something, and everyone's buying it on their next PC as is...
[06:41] <userund> ashmaus, won't keep me from moving my family over to ubuntu though. :)
[06:42] <cosmo_> this is odd, I edited the xorg file like the guide said to enable twinview and it works in ubuntu but it is not using my second monitor in kubuntu. any ideas?
[06:42] <userund> beta, try taking out de
[06:42] <ashmaus> All the computers for sale at Staples said to re-format and install Ubuntu
[06:42] <userund> just http://ubuntu
[06:42] <ashmaus> :)    hey, don't look at me that way...they had it coming
[06:43] <userund> ashmaus, someone should write that virus.  format c: ; apt-get dist-upgrade linux
[06:43] <beta> userund: archive.ubuntu u mean?
[06:43] <cosmo_> lol
[06:43] <userund> beta, yeah right
[06:43] <beta> http://archive.ubuntu
[06:44] <beta> userund: that seems to work...but dont i have to use the german location to get the sofware with the corret localization installed already?
[06:45] <beta> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ gives http://de.archive.ubuntu as well
[06:45] <beta> hm
[06:45] <userund> beta, i'm not sure, but try it out and install a small program
[06:46] <KrAmMeR> phew i finally figured out how to fix my resolution
[06:46] <beta> well does it mean the german servers are down or the adress is invalid
[06:46] <ashmaus> Is there a way to have it read-ou-loud this text?
[06:46] <beta> nobody can tell i guess
[06:46] <userund> neither, I can reach them no problem.  maybe it's a dns issue for you?
[06:46] <cosmo_> man the more I am using Kubuntu the more I am liking it
[06:47] <ashmaus> Or even read-out-loud a text file?
[06:47] <userund> ashmaus, probably some software in the repos but I've never looked
[06:48] <beta> userund: hm could be i had dns problems with breezy as well...but then i couldnt even connect to webpages or use irc
[06:48] <cosmo_> try searching for text-to-speech
[06:48] <beta> userund: ill look into thta....thx though...i can at least check now if my sources.list works
[06:48] <ashmaus> I think I shall hunt. I would like to keep this window minimized and just listen while I work
[06:51] <userund> beta, try replacing the domain with the IP
[06:51] <userund> 141.76.2.3
[06:51] <userund> ^ for de.archive
[06:51] <userund> then you'll know if it's dns.
[06:51] <userund> i'm out.
[06:52] <nonuda_> !networking
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <ashmaus> kttsd! I will install it tomorrow morning
[06:53] <Berto> hi - what is the name of the GUI app for configuring X (specifically my mouse) in kubuntu?
[06:53] <Berto> i'm having scrolling issues in konsole
[06:53] <computerex> something is going very wrong. A lot of the apt-get's aren't working. sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:53] <cosmo_> wow just tryed out stellarium, that is awsome
[06:53] <beta> userund: ah! your a genius ;) thx a heap!
[06:53] <beta> bye
[06:53] <computerex> can somebody else try to see if it is working?
[06:55] <cosmo_> can anyone suggest a good program for converting video to mpeg2 and DVD authoring, would like to make some of my videos viewable on my DVD player
[06:57] <SolidSource> cosmo_: this one can convert...doesn't do DVD authoring though: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Multimedia+Converter++?content=53610
[06:58] <stdin> cosmo_: devede and kmediafactory are good for DVD authoring, and avidemux is a nice GUI for converting video, there are also ffmpeg and mencoder for the CLI
[06:58] <cosmo_> solidsource thanks
[06:58] <cosmo_> I will try those
[06:58] <SolidSource> cosmo_: theres this for DVD author...I like it ok: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ManDVD?content=38347
[07:05] <nonuda_> No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel..i got this when i tried to install nvidia driver, what should i do?
[07:05] <stdin> use the ubuntu package
[07:06] <SolidSource> kubuntu and ubuntu use the same packages
[07:06] <nonuda_> stdin, adept manager right?
[07:06] <stdin> nonuda_: yeah, you have to have multiverse enabled tho
[07:07] <stdin> (aswell as restricted)
[07:07] <SolidSource> should put in the channel anouncement that the default sources.list is not complete and needs to be changed
[07:08] <nonuda_> i see it already main restricted universe multiverse
[07:08] <nonuda_> in the menage respo
[07:10] <stdin> nonuda_: ok, then install the linux-restricted-modules for you kenrel version and nvidia-glx
[07:10] <ashmaus> Well, must get to bed. See y'all tomorrow....
[07:11] <ashmaus> quit
[07:11] <ashmaus> duh
[07:12] <stdin> just being in #ubuntu is tiring
[07:13] <mervteck> lols
[07:14] <mervteck> i love linux =)
[07:14] <stdin> I love GNU/Linux
[07:15] <stdin> linux is only a part of what most people call "linux"
[07:15] <stdin> if that makes any sense at all
[07:15] <stdin> :P
[07:18] <cosmo_> this is odd, I edited the xorg file like the guide said to enable twinview and it works in ubuntu but it is not using my second monitor in kubuntu. anyone know how to fix this?
[07:19] <stdin> cosmo_: have you set it to use it in system settings?
[07:19] <cosmo_> I think so but I'm not sure, just started using and setting up kubuntu today
[07:20] <oblivion> heu is there any french?
[07:20] <stdin> !fr
[07:20] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:20] <oblivion> salut sa va
[07:20] <oblivion> ?
[07:21] <oblivion> you hou?
[07:21] <stdin> I know what sa va means, I just about remember that from school :P
[07:21] <stdin> and I'm tired, you?
[07:22] <oblivion> yes I'm very tired but I'm french
[07:23] <oblivion> and my english is not very good!
[07:23] <stdin> that makes you less encumbered by tiredness ?
[07:23] <stdin> oblivion: you know there is a french channel?
[07:24] <oblivion> no
[07:24] <oblivion> where?
[07:24] <stdin> #kubuntu-fr (for kubuntu) and #ubuntu-fr (for ubuntu)
[07:25] <oblivion> thx
[07:34] <deathnote> i've deleted more than 10 gb of files in a directory.. but using df -h to check, it only shows i cleared 3gb.. why is it like this?
[07:35] <ForgeAus> grrr wrong os to ask this
[07:35] <ForgeAus> um when I was running startxgl I wasn't able to pasue the screen is there anyway to pause or capture the output?
[07:36] <stdin> ForgeAus: redirect the output, like "startxgl &> ~/xglerrors.txt"
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ahh whats the & mean? I know > usually is it append?
[07:37] <stdin> ForgeAus: the & (in this case) means all, so the errors go there too
[07:37] <stdin> ForgeAus: and >> is append
[07:37] <ForgeAus> unfortunately even though it dumps out doesn't seem to be any errors
[07:38] <ForgeAus> (unfortunately its normally just the usage of some program, from memory xproc ??
[07:38] <stdin> some output may be going to stderr (instead of stdout) so you'll want the &>
[07:39] <ForgeAus> IC
[07:39] <ForgeAus> apparnetly blue-ray has been cracked already
[07:40] <stdin> wouldn't surprise me
[07:40] <stdin> DRM was cracked quickly enough too
[07:40] <ForgeAus> makes you wonder why they bother with this stuff...
[07:41] <ForgeAus> its meant to increase security but it gets cracked early anyway so means its just a nuisance rather than any form of actual protection
[07:41] <ghetek> how do i make a gui inputbox popup for my "sh" script?
[07:41] <ForgeAus> dialog?
[07:42] <ghetek> yeah
[07:42] <ForgeAus> kommander does stuff like that doesn't it?
[07:42] <ForgeAus> theres also a few programs like xdialog/kdialog (or for gnome I think its called zenity) that do simple gui dialogs...
[07:42] <stdin> ghetek: kdialog
[07:43] <ghetek> kdialog?
[07:43] <ForgeAus> yeah
[07:43] <stdin> kdialog rocks fot scripts
[07:43] <ghetek> thanks
[07:43] <ForgeAus> if you want to know more either ask stdin (he seems to know at leats something) and/or check out the man page
[07:44] <ForgeAus> personally aside from the programs existence and a breif idea of what it is for, I have absolutely no idea how to actually USE it lol
[07:44] <ghetek> thanks guys
[07:44] <ghetek> stdin: will kdialog work for xubuntu?
[07:44] <stdin> ghetek: only if they have it installed
[07:44] <ForgeAus> ghetek theres xdialog (for Xwindows in general)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> or zenity
[07:45] <ForgeAus> (kdialog probably requires at least qt)
[07:45] <ForgeAus> which I'm guessing xubuntu may have anyway
[07:45] <stdin> ghetek: I'd use an if function to check what they have anyway
[07:46] <ghetek> im making a usb booting hard drive
[07:46] <ghetek> and when you plug it in it automounts everything it sees
[07:46] <ghetek> then you can right click on an HD and backup
[07:46] <ghetek> the backend uses partimage
[07:46] <ForgeAus> casper?
[07:46] <ghetek> but i need a good dialog prog to let the user make a filename
[07:48] <kRush> how can I see how much diskspace is left on different partitions
[07:48] <ForgeAus> disk management?
[07:48] <stdin> ghetek: you can use something like this in your script to check what they have http://pastebin.ca/397105
[07:49] <ForgeAus> in system settings
[07:49] <ghetek> thanks stdin!
[07:49] <stdin> :)
[07:49] <stdin> no probs
[07:50] <ForgeAus> hehe what if they have all 3? :)
[07:50] <ForgeAus> it defaults to Xdialog
[07:50] <stdin> ForgeAus: it would pick the 1st it finds
[07:50] <kRush> ForgeAus: not really
[07:50] <ForgeAus> I'd go with kdialog, zenity, Xdialog (But a Gnome user would probably want Zenity, Kdialog, Xdialog)
[07:51] <DHGE> kRush: df -h
[07:51] <kRush> DHGE: thx
[07:51] <ForgeAus> I'm not entirely sure where XFCE fits in the grand order of QT/GTK etc...
[07:51] <stdin> ForgeAus: I said "something like" :P I've GPL'd it :)
[07:51] <ForgeAus> rofl
[07:51] <stdin> ForgeAus: afaik, xubuntu uses the GTK stuff, and gnome tools
[07:52] <ForgeAus> some users like me have *buntu-Desktop
[07:52] <ghetek> well its not variable
[07:52] <ForgeAus> ie kdialog + zenity (perhaps even xdialog)
[07:52] <stdin> that's why it uses elif, not else
[07:52] <ghetek> i run a small tech shop and i want something easy to use for my employees
[07:52] <stdin> and, I have all 3 too
[07:52] <ForgeAus> stdin, yeah but its a matter of priorities
[07:52] <ghetek> so right click backup and rightclick restore is great
[07:52] <ForgeAus> the first one it checks that is available is used
[07:53] <ForgeAus> in my case I'd want it to check kdialog first
[07:53] <ForgeAus> but zenity would be the more global preference (at least generally stuff tends to default to gnome)...
[07:53] <beta> is kaffeine a front-end for xine?
[07:53] <ForgeAus> if gnome's missing it isn't an issue...
[07:53] <ForgeAus> the if will fail
[07:54] <ForgeAus> or elif clause if you like
[07:54] <stdin> modified http://pastebin.ca/397108
[07:54] <ForgeAus> but if it passes and zenity is the first one (ie prefernece) then it will choose that, whereas I'd rather it choose kdialog)
[07:55] <ForgeAus> ahh I can see why you did it that way :) yeah better
[07:55] <stdin> 'corce the DIALOG=.. parts are all wrong, but hey :P
[07:55] <mervteck> anyone here use SecondLife?
[07:55] <ForgeAus> unless of course your a gnome user who also has kde installed lol
[07:56] <stdin> ForgeAus: stop making trouble ;)
[07:56] <ForgeAus> sorry stdin its not about trouble, is there a way to check the current wm?
[07:56] <stdin> ForgeAus: yeah, I suppose there are a couple ways
[07:57] <stdin> ForgeAus: but what if they are running beryl/compiz ?
[07:57] <ForgeAus> ie if running kdesktop now use kdialog, if running gnome now use zenity, if running neither try Xdialog
[07:57] <stdin> or enlightenment
[07:57] <ForgeAus> then it defaults to xdialog
[07:57] <ForgeAus> you can't run kdesktop simultaneously with a gnome session right?
[07:58] <stdin> ForgeAus: why not, if two users are logged in, one running gnome, other running KDE
[07:58] <ForgeAus> you may  have both toolkits (ie QT + GKT even the full Gnome and KDE) installed, but checking the current WM is only one running at a time
[07:58] <ForgeAus> yeah but only one's immediate
[07:59] <stdin> ForgeAus: and what if they are running KDE, but not kwin
[07:59] <stdin> ForgeAus: beryl for example
[07:59] <ForgeAus> thats an interesting question
[07:59] <ForgeAus> what parts of kde does beryl run?
[07:59] <ForgeAus> that can be detected
[07:59] <ForgeAus> (what if your running beryl on gnome)
[08:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: beryl is just a window manager, it would run on both
[08:00] <ForgeAus> can't just check for xgl or beryl itself
[08:00] <ForgeAus> you need to check for the underlying kde or gnome components (or whatever other wm it is running on)
[08:00] <stdin> ForgeAus: I don't know why I keep putting "ForgeAus: " in my messages, you and me are the only ones talking :P
[08:00] <ForgeAus> rofl
[08:01] <ForgeAus> habit?
[08:01] <stdin> yeah
[08:01] <ForgeAus> I rarely use nicknames I tend to make typos ... and then feel aweful about it
[08:01] <stdin> !tab
[08:01] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:01] <ForgeAus> which is one reason I love abbreviation
[08:01] <stdin> that's what I use
[08:01] <ForgeAus> yes but even that has its traps
[08:01] <ForgeAus> ie three pl with se* nicks here
[08:02] <ForgeAus> have to make sure you pick the right one
[08:02] <stdin> but anyway :P, the user could be running aiglx, not xgl
[08:02] <stdin> that isn't so detectable
[08:02] <ForgeAus> yeah like me (being an ati radeon user)
[08:02] <ForgeAus> I'm not so worried about glx itself being detected in this case...
[08:02] <mervteck> EWWW ATI
[08:02] <ForgeAus> yeah I know
[08:02] <stdin> you'd have to try some dcop calls to see if KDE was running
[08:02] <ForgeAus> its horrid for *nix
[08:02] <mervteck> gforce ftq
[08:03] <ForgeAus> but great for XP
[08:03] <mervteck> ftw*
[08:03] <ForgeAus> and bonobo (or whatever its called) for gnome
[08:03] <ForgeAus> ?
[08:03] <ahlalo_elyon> So, I've made a "Link to Application" on my desktop, but clicking it doesn't launch the app.  However, running the same command from the terminal, works fine.  I've set the Link to "Run in terminal" but still doesn't work.  What am I missing?
[08:04] <ForgeAus> ahlalo interesting, it would seem nothing...
[08:04] <beta> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats when installing the restricted formats can i follow the ubuntu instructions or do the codes described there need the gnome environment/ libraries?
[08:04] <mervteck> anyone here play secondlife?
[08:04] <ForgeAus> unless you mistyped the link/command it runs?
[08:04] <beta> codes = codecs
[08:04] <ForgeAus> whats secondlife?
[08:04] <stdin> beta: there are usually kubuntu instruction in there too
[08:05] <ahlalo_elyon> ForgeAus: Actually, just out of curiosity, I changed the "Working Directory" to the same as the executable and it worked fine....
[08:05] <ForgeAus> path problems perhaps?
[08:05] <ForgeAus> maybe the terminal shell had more paths than X alone had?
[08:05] <ahlalo_elyon> ForgeAus: Oh, and SecondLife is some stupid online MMORPG that is basically like the Sims, but less interesting. :)  There's my wonderful review.
[08:06] <ForgeAus> lol
[08:06] <ForgeAus> IC
[08:06] <ForgeAus> I could never manage the sims anyway...
[08:07] <ForgeAus> and if I could... I'd find it remarkably tedious doing so... so I decided not to
[08:09] <beta> stdin: ok, it says not to install the gstreamer stuff for kubuntu but the libarts packages listed above.
[08:10] <stdin> beta: arts is kubuntu only anyway
[08:10] <beta> stdin: which are the libarts packages though, libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs?
[08:11] <stdin> beta: those are xine packages
[08:11] <beta> stdin: hm this are the only codecs in that section with a lib prefix
[08:11] <stdin> beta: what are you trying to get working?
[08:11] <beta> stdin: then there are no libart packages described at all....read the whole page :(
[08:11] <stdin> libart?
[08:12] <DisabledDuck> adept file manager is telling me i can't do anything because another packaging manager is running already
[08:12] <beta> stdin: basically all the non-free stuff
[08:12] <stdin> !aptfix | DisabledDuck
[08:12] <ubotu> DisabledDuck: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:13] <beta> stdin: " However, they can also play most non-free media formats if you install the additional gstreamer (for Ubuntu only) or libarts (for Kubuntu only) packages listed above."
[08:13] <DisabledDuck> stdin: thx
[08:13] <stdin> beta: libarts not libart
[08:13] <beta> suoting from the page...
[08:13] <beta> stdin: ok, sorry for that....but there arent any libarts packages described on the whole page
[08:14] <stdin> beta: look at the other pages then
[08:15] <beta> stdin: uhm, which pages for example?
[08:16] <stdin> beta: you can just use the apt-get command near the top of the page, just remove "gxine" and "ogle-gui"
[08:16] <stdin> beta: and the pages you look at depend on what you want to do
[08:18] <beta> stdin: ok
[08:19] <beta> confusing but thx
[08:19] <stdin> heh :P
[08:24] <T3hWiz0rd> the new gaim betas don't let you put in blank lines on away messages? how retarded...
[08:24] <mervteck> hey guys is the wine irc channel just #wine
[08:24] <ForgeAus> @winehq
[08:24] <Ayabara> I'm gonna try building the new krusader beta from source. What should I set my KDEDIR and QTDIR env variables to?
[08:25] <ForgeAus> grr #
[08:25] <ForgeAus> #winehq
[08:25] <mervteck> ty ^^
[08:25] <ForgeAus> I love krusader :)
[08:26] <seven11> i love dolphin
[08:26] <nodesert> i have install eclipse and java but eclipse says java can not be found!
[08:26] <Ayabara> I'd love to get an answer ;-)
[08:27] <nodesert>  /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun...not found
[08:27] <stdin> Ayabara: do you want it installed in the default place?
[08:28] <Ayabara> stdin, yep, as long as the future official releases will be installed as they should
[08:29] <stdin> Ayabara: it should be /usr then, you should only need to set the --prefix tho
[08:30] <Ayabara> stdin, what do you mean. I'm not too experienced building from source. do I use ' --prefix /usr ' as the input to something?
[08:31] <stdin> Ayabara: it should have a configure script, so you'll do "./configure --prefix=/usr"
[08:31] <Ayabara> stdin, then I'm all set. thanks
[08:31] <stdin> :)
[08:32] <stdin> nodesert: I think you need to install j2sdk1.4
[08:33] <vicentiCO_> Hola
[08:33] <stdin> Ayabara: if you need help, #kubuntu-devel is a good place, along with #kde and #kde-devel
[08:33] <vicentiCO_> alguien puede decirme come entrar como root en una sesion?
[08:33] <Ayabara> stdin, thank for the tip
[08:33] <nodesert> i can not find j2sdk1.4 in package manager
[08:34] <stdin> !es | vicentiCO_
[08:34] <ubotu> vicentiCO_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:34] <stdin> nodesert: it's in universe
[08:34] <stdin> !info j2sdk1.4
[08:34] <ubotu> j2sdk1.4: Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3462 kB, installed size 7856 kB (Only available for i386)
[08:34] <stdin> nodesert: make that multiverse :P
[08:37] <smile> ubotu: is blackdown like Eclipse ?
[08:37] <kraut> moin
[08:37] <nodesert> stdin: it is already multiverse
[08:38] <nodesert> may be i should do something about paths?
[08:38] <stdin> nodesert: are you on 64bit?
[08:39] <nodesert> on 32bit
[08:39] <stdin> then, if you have multiverse enabled, you sould be able to get it
[08:40] <beta> could someone do an apt-get update for me?
[08:41] <beta> cant connect to  the security server
[08:41] <beta> http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[08:41] <beta>   404 Not Found
[08:44] <beta> i cant reach the repositories...at one time i reahc them a minute later i dont...i thought it was a dns issue but at one point i even could reach it browser and url...but not via apt-get
[08:44] <beta> im clueless what the problem might be
[08:44] <stdin> beta: the server seems fine, maybe it's in the middle of on update, give it an hour
[08:44] <beta> stdin: this is already going for 2 hours or so ;)
[08:45] <beta> problems gotta be somewhere else i guess
[08:45] <stdin> beta: can you reach http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz ?
[08:46] <fxr> hi is there a plugin or anything which will let me edit an iso file (i.e add a directory) before burning it with K3B
[08:46] <fxr> ?
[08:47] <stdin> !kiso
[08:47] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[08:47] <fxr> k nice one : )
[08:47] <beta> stdin: yes
[08:48] <stdin> beta: then apt should do, that's the file it's getting
[08:48] <beta> stdin: that what confuses me....thought it was a dns problem but since i can connect via browser it obviously isnt?
[08:48] <_al_> someone using kubuntu feisty?
[08:49] <beta> stdin: it doenst though ;)
[08:49] <stdin> _al_: you'll find plenty of people using feisty in #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu-devel
[08:49] <_al_> stdin: thanks
[08:49] <beta> ah well no it fetches everything again....but it will be just a matter of minutes until it wont again
[08:50] <firecrotch> _al_: I just installed it
[08:52] <smile> hello linux world !!!
[08:53] <smile> how can i use Apache in kubuntu .. any help plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!!!
[08:53] <smurphy> Morning...
[08:53] <stdin> !apache
[08:53] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:53] <smurphy> Anyone knows if there are newer devel. kernels for feisty ???
[08:53] <smile> stdin: the server Apache with sql and php
[08:54] <smile> stdin: like EasyPHP under windows!
[08:54] <smile> ubotu: thx
[08:54] <stdin> smile: follow that link from ubotu
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <smile> ubotu: hhhhhhhh thx means thank you !!!! :-D
[08:56] <stdin> smurphy: the current kernel version in feisty is linux-image-2.6.20-11
[08:56] <stdin> !bot | smile
[08:56] <ubotu> smile: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:57] <smurphy> stdin: I know. But this one does not boot on the mac-mini. S-ATA problem with ATA-Lib...
[08:57] <stdin> smurphy: report that in #ubuntu+1
[08:57] <smurphy> Rcompiled a kernel - but I have to get some other modules all around the world to get my other hardware working - that runs out of the box with usual Kubuntu kernels :)
[08:58] <smile> stdin: should i install sql server or client ???
[08:59] <_al_> firecrotch: are you using 64-bit version?
[08:59] <stdin> smile: the server, if you want to use a local database
[08:59] <beta> stdin: like i said...doesnt work at all again
[08:59] <firecrotch> _al_: Nope, sorry
[08:59] <smile> stdin: thx :-)
[09:00] <_al_> firecrotch: is konqueror working ok with web pages?
[09:00] <_al_> in my situation konqueror doesn't show any web pages
[09:00] <_al_> using 64-bit feisty
[09:01] <peanutb> _al_, did you change the handeling of html files? This is what happened to me.
[09:01] <smurphy> stdin: Looks like noone is awake in #ubuntu+1 :)
[09:02] <stdin> smurphy: check if there are any bug reports yet
[09:02] <_al_> peanutb: nope
[09:02] <smurphy> stdin: You have a direct link ? Kind of not having much time this morning ... I'am at work ;)
[09:03] <stdin> smurphy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bugs
[09:03] <smurphy> Thx. Cool :)
[09:04] <_al_> peanutb: what did you do to get konqueror to work?
[09:04] <peanutb> _al_, i just made a html file and set it to open in konqueror
[09:05] <_al_> peanutb: do you mean that konqueror can't open automatically web pages?
[09:05] <_al_> in this situtation
[09:05] <miltos> hi ppl:-] 
[09:06] <smurphy> Hmmm... There seem to quite a few bug reports with weird issues about the ATALib related S-ATA drives ... But non like mine.
[09:07] <peanutb> _al_, its really unclear to me what the problem was, ill probably file a bug report. Does the website open in another program?
[09:08] <miltos> doen anyone know what's the card=? (for modprobe) regarding Crypto mpeg tv tuner?
[09:10] <miltos> does anyone know what's the card=? (for modprobe) regarding Crypto mpeg tv tuner?
[09:11] <cosmo_>  is there a way to get xchat to save channels so that it brings them up next time I start xchat? and if so how do I do it?
[09:12] <Jucato> cosmo_: might want to ask the guys over at #ubuntu
[09:20] <animimotus> hi
[09:20] <animimotus> I have a sudoers question
[09:20] <animimotus> animimotus ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: SOUND, NOPASSWD: SHUTDOWN   <---------- can be: animimotus ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: SOUND, SHUTDOWN         ?
[09:20] <smile> stdin: when i start Apache i get this "apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" ??
[09:20] <smile> stdin: what's wrong ?
[09:20] <nodesert> does anyone know how can add a plug-in for eclipse to make it visual editor
[09:21] <animimotus> (a coma just to seperate the NOPASSWD terms like you see)
[09:22] <stdin> smile: I don't run apache, try asking in #apache
[09:23] <stdin> animimotus: I think it can, look at 'man sudoers' or man:/sudoers tho
[09:25] <smile> stdin: i get "
[09:25] <smile> Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[09:25] <smile> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[09:25] <smile> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[09:25] <smile> Unable to open logs
[09:25] <RaNDyMyZe> smile: that means you don't have a domain configured for Apache2.  It is using your localhost instead
[09:25] <RaNDyMyZe> smile: are you just installing a development web server?
[09:26] <smile> RaNDyMyZe: that's what i want !! i want make a website
[09:26] <smile> RaNDyMyZe: so i will use "localhost" 127.0.0.1
[09:26] <RaNDyMyZe> smile: do you just want to develop it on your system and host it elsewhere? or are you planning on hosting it yourself?
[09:27] <smile> RaNDyMyZe: just developping
[09:27] <RaNDyMyZe> smile: then don't worry about the domain error message. it's meaningless in this case
[09:27] <smile> RaNDyMyZe: ok
[09:28] <RaNDyMyZe> smile: this is a good howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:28] <smile> RaNDyMyZe: thx .. I already reading it :-)
[09:30] <Tido> is there a way to get nVidia Twinview to treat each screen as a seperate desktop rather than trying to run the two together?
[09:31] <lycangodofwar> anyone else having trouble with beryl repos?
[09:37] <chairul> what is herd feisty
[09:38] <Tido> chairul: Feisty is the next release of U/Kubuntu
[09:38] <Jucato> !feisty | chairul
[09:38] <ubotu> chairul: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[09:38] <Tido> and the Herd's are testing releases
[09:39] <chairul> is that version using kde
[09:43] <stdin> !herd
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <stdin> * to his to-do list
[09:43] <lycangodofwar> can anyone tell me how to use a higher screen resolution in ubuntu
[09:52] <Tido> is there a way to get nVidia Twinview to treat each screen as a seperate desktop rather than trying to run the two together?
[09:54] <ubuntu_> Hello. How do i view which hard drive is which? (hd0, hd1, etc)
[09:58] <stdin> ubuntu_: you mean in grub?
[10:00] <ubuntu_> stdin: not sure
[10:00] <ubuntu_> im on a liveCD
[10:00] <ubuntu_> going to install. and i have the option of where to install GRUB
[10:00] <ubuntu_> says here it's going to be installed in hd0
[10:00] <ubuntu_> but i think hd0 is my windows hard drive
[10:00] <ubuntu_> don't want it there
[10:00] <stdin> ubuntu_: hd0 is the 1st hard drive, hd1 is the 2nd
[10:01] <ubuntu_> but isnt there a way to check? i aks because my Linux HD is uSB
[10:01] <ubuntu_> therefore i wanna make sure
[10:02] <stdin> ubuntu_: look in /boot/grub/device.map
[10:02] <ubuntu_> stdin: thank you
[10:04] <ubuntu_> stdin: I'm a liveCD. there is no grub folder in boot
[10:06] <stdin> ubuntu_: maybe you can see in the grub shell, open konsole, and type "sudo grub", then "root (hd<tab>" (where <tab> is the tab key)
[10:06] <_al_> peanutb: problem is on every web site I tested
[10:07] <ubuntu_> nothinghappens. let me look here @ the help commands
[10:09] <smurphy> Hmmm. Anyone knows why I can't install a linux-686-smp meta package ? Breaks dependencies ...
[10:10] <chairul> is kubuntu suport for intel 333mhz with 256 SDR
[10:10] <chairul> i want to install in my compaq notebook
[10:11] <smurphy> chairful: Yes. Works. Take xubuntu though... You'll have more fun with - as ubuntu uses Gnome - and that's a Memory Hog ...
[10:11] <stdin> chairul: you may get better performance with xubuntu
[10:11] <smurphy> *lol*
[10:12] <chairul> is xubuntu use kde desktop
[10:12] <stdin> no, xubuntu uses xfce
[10:12] <stdin> !xubuntu
[10:12] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[10:13] <smurphy> KDE works on 256MB Ram - but is as slow as gnome ... So use xubuntu ...
[10:14] <ubuntu_> im using kubuntu livecd and it's rather slow. is it because it uses KDE or because im running from the CD? or both?
[10:15] <stdin> ubuntu_: it's because everything you are running is in the RAM, so there is less room for application memory, and you are running from a CD which isn't as fast as a hard disk
[10:15] <ubuntu_> stdin: thanks
[10:15] <stdin> try running windows from a CD and see how slow that is :P
[10:16] <Jucato> stdin: granted you can run Windows from a  CD :D
[10:16] <ubuntu_> hey stdin
[10:16] <ubuntu_> partition #1 of SCSI2 (0,1,0) (sdc) as ext3
[10:16] <stdin> Jucato: windows, or DOS :P
[10:16] <ubuntu_> so, is sd2 = hd1?
[10:17] <ubuntu_> sdc*
[10:17] <stdin> yeah
[10:17] <ubuntu_> thanks
[10:17] <Jucato> sdc = hd2
[10:18] <smile> where can I find a howto to install Beryl ?????????????????????????????????????
[10:18] <ubuntu_> google
[10:18] <Jucato> stdin?
[10:18] <Jucato> does sd* use a different numbering from hd*?
[10:18] <ubuntu_> thanks Jucato
[10:18] <Jucato> !beryl | smile
[10:18] <ubotu> smile: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:18] <smile> ubuntu: i know .. someone know a quik link
[10:19] <stdin> Jucato: hd0 is internal, hd1 is external
[10:19] <ubuntu_> anyone have any idea when 8800's drivers will be included in the instalation CD?
[10:19] <Jucato> stdin: hm.. ok... in my case, hda = hd0, hdb = hd1... both are internal...
[10:21] <smurphy> anyone knows how to install the meta packages ??? :)
[10:21] <smurphy> linux-686 b.e. ?
[10:22] <SmokeyD> Hey people, I am running Kubuntu feisty on an amd64 machine (upgraded from edgy). Openoffice.org 2.2 does not want to start anymore. I already tried removing all openoffice related pacakges and removing ~/.openoffice.org2 and then reinstalling but to no avail.
[10:22] <SmokeyD> see output of oowriter: http://rafb.net/p/VNFfQ450.html
[10:23] <SmokeyD> any ideas?
[10:25] <stdin> smurphy: apt-get them
[10:25] <smile> should i install Beryl with XGL or AIXGL ??? and why ???????????????
[10:25] <smurphy> stdin: Go dependency breakage ... Dunno why.
[10:26] <Jucato> smurphy: can  you pastebin the errors you get?
[10:27] <Jucato> smile: try asking in #ubuntu-effects or in #beryl as the bot said. (and please cut down on the question marks)
[10:27] <smurphy> linux-image-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.20-11-generic which is a virtual package.
[10:27] <smurphy> :)
[10:28] <naught103> arggh! when ever I set no auto action on unmounted media in system settings, and apply, it's reset the next time I open it
[10:28] <smurphy> smile: AIXGL is way more efficient. What Graphic-Chip you have ?
[10:28] <naught103> I need to disable auto actions because they affect gparted
[10:28] <naught103> anyone know how?
[10:29] <smile> smurphy: Nvidia
[10:29] <stdin> smurphy: are you on feisty?
[10:29] <ubuntu_> !feisty
[10:29] <smurphy> smile: then xgl ... AIXGL does not work on ATI/Nvidia Chipsets with vendor drivers.
[10:29] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:29] <smurphy> stdin: Yep.
[10:29] <ubuntu_> smurphy: how's that going?
[10:29] <ubuntu_> everything works?
[10:30] <Jucato> smurphy: try in #ubuntu+1 ?
[10:30] <smile> smurphy: no ..it worked before but with no windows decorator ..so AIXGL worked fine under nvidia
[10:31] <smurphy> smile: Fall back to xgl... Belive me - I tried ;)
[10:31] <smurphy> Jucato: Am in ubuntu+1 also ;)
[10:31] <Jucato> :D
[10:31] <smile> smurphy: u mean  i should try XGL ?
[10:32] <smurphy> smile: Yep.
[10:35] <m0ns00n_> Hey
[10:35] <stdin> ho
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> I have a wierd problem with firefox in kubuntu
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> After some time when I click a link, nothing refreshes until I resize the window
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> The old webpage is there
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> When I resize the window, pow, the current page displays
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> I am wondering if it is a xorg repaint problem.
[10:36] <m0ns00n_> It only happens in firefox browsers, also flock
[10:37] <m0ns00n_> I can't find any mention of this on google..
[10:37] <m0ns00n_> That's why I am wondering if it is a kubuntu problem. I've had this for a _long_ time.
[10:44] <naught103> no-one can tell me how to turn of usb-drive auto mounting?
[10:44] <naught103> off
[10:45] <stdin> naught101: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[10:45] <naught101> ok
[10:45] <naught101> er... why? I'm sure this isn't a development problem...
[10:46] <naught101> it's a settings thing
[10:46] <stdin> naught101: you're just more likely to get an answer there than here
[10:46] <naught101> ok
[10:48] <miltos> does anyone know what's the card=? (for modprobe) regarding Crypto mpeg tv tuner?
[10:51] <ghetek> what is wrong with my script? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10586/
[10:53] <stdin> ghetek: try changing "partimage -b -z1 -o save /dev/sda1 /home/hellouser/backup/$answer.gz" to "partimage -b -z1 -o save /dev/sda1 /home/hellouser/backup/${answer}.gz"
[10:53] <M_Fatih> hi
[10:53] <ubuntu_> !generic
[10:53] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[10:54] <M_Fatih> i have a big problem with my GTK applications, i can't open. Gimp, gthumb, leafpad.. etc, thep opens and closes, gimp shows splash and closes.. all gtk applicaitons returns with this error : gimp: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_Library_SetLcdFilter
[10:55] <miltos> does anyone know what's the card=? (for modprobe) regarding Crypto mpeg tv tuner?
[10:59] <ubuntu_> !fiesty
[10:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[10:59] <waylandbill> M_Fatih: you could try reinstalling libcairo
[10:59] <M_Fatih> no i didn't reinstall, i tried to dpkg-reconfigure
[10:59] <M_Fatih> but it not worked
[11:00] <waylandbill> no. I'm saying to reinstall it
[11:00] <waylandbill> apt-get install --reinstall  <- like that
[11:01] <M_Fatih> waylandbill: hmm. ok i'm trying
[11:02] <waylandbill> M_Fatih: if that doesn't do it, it sounds like something wants a newer version of libcairo for some reason.
[11:04] <beta> does anyone have an idea how to turn off ipv6 globally?
[11:04] <stdin> !ipv6
[11:04] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:05] <beta> stdin: thx
[11:09] <JLuca> hi all I have a very strange problem: my webcam is working fine with capturing software such as camorama or gqcam but it doesn't work at all neither with kopete nor with amsn. could anybody tell me something about that (I compiled by myself my pwc module, following posts on the ubuntu forum)?
[11:10] <crazy_bus> is it possible to use your broadband account and modem on another persons computer in a different house?  Because the ubuntu guide tells me I need to install drivers for the built in dialup modem
[11:14] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: if you mean dsl, I guess it depends on the provider. Mine it isn't.
[11:16] <crazy_bus> thanks for the reply.  Yes I mean adsl.  It just that is a real pain manualy downloading files and transfering them then manualy installing dependancies etc.
[11:18] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: you could just figure out the files that an apt-get would install and burn them to a cd-rw.
[11:19] <waylandbill> it would be slick if there was a script that would determine the needed files, that would make another script that could be ran at a different location. :-)
[11:19] <stdin> use apt-get --print-uris
[11:20] <SmokeyD> have any problems been reported with the nvidia driver in 2.6.20-11 restricted-modules package?
[11:20] <SmokeyD> I just changed from using the nvidia driver to the nv driver and openoffice.org starts without problem
[11:20] <stdin> SmokeyD: ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:21] <SmokeyD> ok
[11:21] <Jucato> waylandbill, crazy_bus, stdin: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[11:21] <waylandbill> Jucato: thanks
[11:23] <crazy_bus> thanks also
[11:23] <waylandbill> Jucato: that's exactly what the doctor ordered for a dialup connection. :-)
[11:23] <Jucato> :)
[11:23] <waylandbill> not that I have one, but when I did I'd of loved to have that. hehe
[11:28] <mervteck> hey is anyone here good with wine? the wine channel is effin useless
[11:29] <waylandbill> mervteck: I like merlot myself. ;-)  j/k what's the issue?
[11:29] <mervteck> well im trying to run the bf2 update, and it hangs for a bit then just dies
[11:30] <fearless> jucato ? do you have an aptoncd set or  a local mirror or completee CD set or NFS install from LAN ?
[11:30] <Jucato> fearless: er? sorry, I just pointed out the site. I don't use it nor know how to
[11:31] <waylandbill> mervteck: you could run the update on a windows install and copy the files over, if that's all it updates
[11:32] <fearless> OK I would very much like to have such for mobility and to install for users  - also saw this  http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/download.html on pointed site
[11:32] <mervteck> im running pure linux now, i hate windows officialy
[11:33] <mervteck> sucks too cuz all i need is to update, it even works beautifuly but now i gotta get it updated =\
[11:35] <mervteck> can u think of any other solutions?
[11:36] <waylandbill> mervteck: the problem is that usually update programs have little testing outside the environment they are intended for.
[11:37] <mervteck> =(
[11:37] <waylandbill> mervteck: the only other solution I have is to get the updated files from someone else. I never could figure out why they can offer the updated files in a zip or tar or other archive.
[11:37] <mervteck> weird though. the 1.1 update worked, but not the 1.41
[11:38] <mervteck> i dont see why more ppl dont make games for linux
[11:39] <waylandbill> mervteck: I guess with making everything so 'user friendly' some users can't do anything but click yes on wizard a few times. Unpack an archive? That'd be unheard of. :-)
[11:40] <waylandbill> mervteck: there are companies starting to more and more, but there's more money in console gaming than pc gaming these days if you ask me.
[11:41] <waylandbill> mervteck: that's what the driving factor is.. the $$$ and that's fine by me. I'd want to make as much as I could if that was my line of work too.
[11:45] <beta> which is kubuntus dhcp client it doenst have /sbin/dhcpcd
[11:46] <waylandbill> beta: dhclient
[11:47] <beta> waylandbill: thx
[11:49] <beta> how could i tell the dhcpclient not to overwrite /etc/resolve.conf? or is there any other way to do so?
[11:50] <mervteck> wayland have u ever played SecondLife?
[11:50] <beta> beside disabling write access
[11:50] <waylandbill> I signed up for it, but have never played
[11:51] <mervteck> the new linux client out is awesome
[11:51] <beta> trying for hours now to rech the repositories this is my last resort for today
[11:51] <waylandbill> beta: if you want to do that, why not set addr to static?
[11:51] <beta> i think it might help
[11:52] <beta> waylandbill: in my router setup?
[11:52] <mervteck> pretty funny too i only got 5 pfs on windows with a 7950gtoc 512mb, i upgraded to the windows firstlook client. 40 fps, default linux client i pull 40. i go firstlook client linux i pull 90 - 100 fps xD
[11:53] <waylandbill> actually, if you are trying to manually set the dns servers, that's what I'd do. Define them in the router so that the dhclient writes out what you want
[11:53] <waylandbill> mervteck: did they just release a new client, because when I signed up, the client had issues.
[11:53] <beta> i actually dont quite know what the advantages of dhcp are..my router is just setup this way
[11:53] <intelikey> anyone know what would be accessing the consoles 1-6 durring boot time ?
[11:54] <waylandbill> beta: if you're using a laptop, the benefits of dhcp are many.
[11:54] <beta> i mean it assignes the same ip to the machines anyway...since there arent that many around the used ips are never used after the lease expires
[11:55] <beta> waylandbill: right, sounds reasonable ;)
[11:55] <waylandbill> beta: having dhcp in your router allows friends to come over and not need to redefine their ip addresses if they are using dhcp already.
[11:56] <waylandbill> beta: there's no real right answer. It all depends on what best fits your needs really.
[11:56] <beta> waylandbill: ok this sounds completely stupid but isnt somehow more secure to have dhcp and not a static ip?
[11:56] <beta> +it
[11:56] <waylandbill> beta: no difference.
[11:57] <intelikey> one of these days i'll ask that and someone will actually know....
[11:57] <waylandbill> intelikey: If I knew, I'd tell ya. :)
[11:58] <intelikey> i figured that.   but of the 330 logged in i hoped you and beta werent the only ones awake.
[11:59] <waylandbill> beta: you could make a claim that it's not as simple as plugging in with requiring static ips, but someone determined enough would easily overcome that. The security should be more than that if need be.
[11:59] <Jucato> intelikey: is it possible to use tty1-6 while the system is booting?
[11:59] <Jucato> I mean, non-Kubuntu?
[11:59] <waylandbill> intelikey: see. There's 326 people asleep is all. :-P
[12:00] <intelikey> Jucato when anything accesses a tty that tty can then be switched to with alt+left/right-arrow   a console that has not been activated/touched can't be.
[12:00] <beta> waylandbill: the ip were talking about here is just the lan adress which the router then assigns your isp IP to? ;)
[12:01] <beta> waylandbill: i mean still no static ip from the outside
[12:01] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. so which means since I can't access tty2-6 during boot,it's not being accessed?
[12:01] <beta> intelikey: why your saing that did i do something wrong?
[12:01] <beta> saying
[12:01] <waylandbill> correct. lan address. The addresses you have control over. You can't really do much about the wan address.
[12:02] <intelikey> Jucato for an example drop to a console and hit right-alt+f12    then   touch /dev/tty24   and try it again.
[12:02] <beta> waylandbill: allright, sorry for being such a noob ;)
[12:02] <beta> thx for the pateince though!
[12:03] <waylandbill> beta: as they say, the only stupid question is the one unasked.
[12:03] <intelikey> beta you and waylandbill were talking, thus i knew you were awake.
[12:03] <beta> ok
[12:03] <waylandbill> or at least pretending to be
[12:04] <Jucato> intelikey: I can't even get to Ctrl+Alt+12 (is that what you meant by right-alt+F12?)
[12:04] <intelikey> no  the right alt key  not the left alt key
[12:05] <intelikey> left-alt+f12 will take you to tty12   right-alt+f12 to tty24
[12:05] <intelikey> but only if they have been activated
[12:05] <Jucato> aah ok wait :)
[12:05] <intelikey> accessed
[12:05] <mervteck> waylandbill: yeah its called FirstLook, still some bugs but its relativly smooth
[12:05] <Jucato> nada..
[12:06] <waylandbill> mervteck: I may have to take another look at it then.
[12:06] <intelikey> did you    touch /dev/tty24    and try it ?
[12:06] <Jucato> intelikey: sudo touch right?
[12:06] <intelikey> that should work
[12:07] <intelikey> but i dont sudo
[12:07] <Jucato> intelikey:  nada... right alt key does nothing at all.... oh well....
[12:07] <beta> is there any way to flush the sudo cache? it hangs up for me constantly
[12:07] <intelikey> ok use 12 in sted
[12:08] <beta> a bash command
[12:08] <beta> ?
[12:08] <mervteck> mind you in the firstlook client alot of textures load slow, but they recoded the video parts so framerates are MUCH better
[12:08] <funpop> i connected an old ntfs hd to my computer. conquere says i got not enough rights to browse it
[12:08] <funpop> how can i change that ?
[12:08] <intelikey> left-alt+f12      touch /dev/tty12       left-alt+f12
[12:09] <beta> this drives me nuts
[12:09] <intelikey> !ntfs | funpop
[12:09] <ubotu> funpop: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:09] <beta> some program always has sudo privileges still assigned though its already closed
[12:09] <beta> so i cant sudo commands in the bash
[12:10] <intelikey> ps aux
[12:10] <beta> sometimes even login out doesnt even help
[12:10] <intelikey> beta
[12:10] <intelikey> beta ps aux | less      that should let you carefully examine what is running
[12:10] <beta> intelikey: can i not just simply erase the sudo cache somehow....wouldnt tha work? ;)
[12:11] <intelikey> how can you do that without sudo ?
[12:11] <intelikey> can't get to root cause sudo is broke    can i fix sudo without root... short answer NO!
[12:12] <beta> ok sounds reasonable......somehow...
[12:12] <beta> ;)
[12:13] <smurphy> intelikey: yes you can. Boot into singleuser mode (recovery) and reinstall sudo ... If not - add a root-user account and make sure it ha a password.
[12:13] <smurphy> then it should work again.
[12:13] <intelikey> smurphy that is root
[12:13] <intelikey> sulogin  is the app that runs when you boot to single
[12:14] <smurphy> so - remove sudo - and reinstall it ?
[12:14] <beta> ok theres a lot of root processes running
[12:14] <beta> how do i find out which is blocking me from using further sudo commands?
[12:14] <intelikey> and just rebooting will fix his problem.
[12:14] <intelikey> beta one that starts with  sudo
[12:14] <intelikey> or kdesu maybe
[12:15] <smurphy> intelikey: Oh - then add to the boot line: init=/bin/bash - make sure /bin/bash exists... And boot into it. You'll have to mount all aprtitions manually after - to fix the system.
[12:16] <intelikey> smurphy ok i confess.  i lied about that.    you can go over root's head.   you can use init to fix it.  :)
[12:16] <beta> intelikey: ok thx unfortunately i was too late to find it....it killed itself now
[12:16] <smurphy> intelikey: Yep ;)
[12:17] <smurphy> *lol* R.I.P. :)
[12:17] <beta> how do i stop a running bash process btw...i mean the command not process running (ps)?
[12:18] <smurphy> kill -STOP <process-ID>
[12:18] <smurphy> and: kill -CONT <process-ID> makes it continue working :)
[12:18] <intelikey> beta that's why i said    ps aux | less     the less filter would keep the list in play.  you could look until you forgot what you were looking for....   like i do when i google for things...
[12:19] <intelikey> beta you can't kill from ps  you only collect information there.       and you wouldn't be able to kill a root process anyway.
[12:19] <intelikey> but sudo killall name-of-app
[12:19] <intelikey> if it's something you own   killall name-of-app
[12:20] <beta> intelikey: oh now....i didnt mean the ps list was too long....it just took me to long tolook at it so the blocking process killed itself already
[12:20] <waylandbill> kdesu ksysguard
[12:20] <intelikey> ah yes
[12:20] <waylandbill> that's another way to find and kill some processes. :-)
[12:20] <intelikey> waylandbill again while  sudo is hosed that wont work...
[12:20] <beta> i dont mean to how to kill a rrunning rpocess though...hm, how do i put that....i just want to stop the running command i did put in into bash
[12:21] <mervteck> so close to download being done =( and i have to restart >.<
[12:21] <beta> like apt.get update hangs up...so i can quit it instead of waiting
[12:21] <beta> apt-get update
[12:21] <intelikey> beta ah  control C
[12:21] <waylandbill> :-O  fried sudo sucks.
[12:21] <mervteck> xD
[12:21] <intelikey> ctrl+C
[12:21] <intelikey> ^C
[12:21] <beta> oh man...i hit every damn key + control i though x)
[12:21] <beta> thx!
[12:22] <Mena> !blkid
[12:22] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:22] <Mena> Hi, How to update the blkid ?
[12:22] <intelikey> beta ^Z will background the process
[12:22] <Mena> change
[12:22] <intelikey> run it. Mena
[12:22] <Mena> intelikey, i did
[12:22] <intelikey> issue sudo blkid
[12:23] <Mena> ok i will see now
[12:23] <beta> im not a big fan of sudo i guess i know im a noob and shouldt say that
[12:24] <Mena> ohh its updated now thanks
[12:24] <intelikey> beta sudo is a very good application.  but ubuntu's setup of sudo is horrable
[12:24] <beta> intelikey: hey thats cool thought i would get flamed now ;)
[12:24] <intelikey> sudo was not writen to make one or more user accounts into root jr.
[12:25] <Mena> intelikey, do you remeber my problem with the vfat partition
[12:25] <beta> it just gives me hangups over and over (freezes)
[12:25] <intelikey> Mena actually no.   i see so many fs problems....
[12:26] <mervteck> who wants to play IRC tag!
[12:26] <Mena> intelikey, if i copy the same line of a another vfat part with changing the uuid and the name would work right(teh new vfat part)
[12:26] <Mena> the*
[12:26] <intelikey> Mena in fstab ?
[12:26] <Mena> yes
[12:26] <beta> intelikey:  what was sudos actual purpose then?
[12:27] <intelikey> you change the first and second fields to reflect the new device and the new mountpoint
[12:27] <Mena> ok
[12:27] <intelikey> beta to allow specific applications to be ran as root without giving full root access to the user
[12:28] <beta> intelikey: thx
[12:28] <intelikey> beta np
[12:29] <waylandbill> beta: a perfect example is to allow the backup operator to start backups when they put a new tape in, but not allow them to do anything else.
[12:30] <intelikey> sudo was writen to give a very restricted but higher than normal clearance to special users on a system.     for things like database admins   network admins and such like   without just handing them the keys to the house.
[12:30] <beta> on distrus without sudo you have to login as root everytime you want to run a program with root priviligues?
[12:31] <waylandbill> beta: or su to root.
[12:31] <Mena> intelikey, how to check the number of the uuid
[12:31] <beta> waylandbill: whats the different in that i thought su would log you in as root?
[12:32] <Mena> intelikey, not the one blkid
[12:32] <intelikey> beta yes.    su = [switch users]    defaults to root but can be used for any user.   when it asks for a password it's the password of the account that you are switching to
[12:32] <Mena> intelikey, i mean like uuid=1000
[12:32] <waylandbill> su requires you to know the password of the account to change to. sudo removes the need to know root's password.
[12:33] <intelikey> Mena for your name     grep mena /etc/passwd
[12:33] <waylandbill> which would be as intelikey said... giving them the keys. :-)
[12:33] <Mena> intelikey, ok
[12:33] <intelikey> first number in the string.
[12:33] <beta> ok if on systems without sudo you have to be root to run a process with root priviligues i can see why sudo is actually i good program ;)
[12:33] <beta> but for me on ubuntu....it doesnt seem to work that great so far
[12:34] <beta> waylandbill: ah i see
[12:34] <Mena> intelikey, Ohh this is the number of my account ..ok :)
[12:35] <waylandbill> beta: sudo is an excellent program when it's not busted (like smb4k did for me when wacom device errors were written to sudoers)
[12:35] <intelikey> beta you can set a root password if you wish.     sudo passwd     it's not ubuntu policy to advise people to do that.  but i'm not ubuntu.
[12:35] <beta> wayland: busted = frozen?
[12:35] <intelikey> i just hang out here some times.
[12:36] <mervteck> can someone help me getting my sound to work?
[12:36] <waylandbill> beta: busted as in no longer functional from sudoers having errors in syntax
[12:36] <intelikey> !sound | mervteck been here yet ?
[12:36] <ubotu> mervteck been here yet ?: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:36] <beta> wayland: ok
[12:36] <intelikey> :)
[12:37] <mervteck> yeah all thats set but neither onboard audio nore pci  give anything
[12:37] <Mena> intelikey, Thanks ...Bye With GOD Bess
[12:37] <intelikey> Mena same to ya
[12:37] <waylandbill> intelikey: LOL!
[12:37] <intelikey> :)
[12:38] <intelikey> you don't have to laugh that hard.   you make it sound suspicious
[12:38] <beta> ok, so now after hours i think i found the reason why i cant reach the repos - it seems like i cant use my router as dns
[12:38] <beta> any idea why that might be?
[12:39] <beta> if i directly use the dns server the router uses it seems to work
[12:39] <intelikey> cause you router doesn't have the dns look up for the whole internet ???
[12:39] <kdehl> When I upgrade the kernel, do I need to create a new initrd image, or can I somehow just use an old one? When I boot the new kernel, it hangs at "waiting for root filesystem".
[12:40] <intelikey> kdehl if you upgrade with a packagemanager it does it for you
[12:40] <intelikey> kdehl but you must if it doesnt.
[12:40] <beta> intelikey: er, wait...217.237.149.161 this is the dns server my router is setup to use...if i put that into my linux setup it works...if i put my router ip as dns server it doesnt
[12:40] <kdehl> intelikey: I don't because I need the 2.6.20 kernel, which doesn't seem to exist in the packeg managment system yet.
[12:40] <kdehl> management
[12:41] <kdehl> or something
[12:41] <beta> intelikey: see the what i meant?
[12:41] <waylandbill> beta: the router should pass that number to you in dhcp lease.
[12:41] <kdehl> intelikey: How do I create one then? Is there a guide that you are aware of?
[12:41] <intelikey> kdehl sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img<version-srting> <version-srting>
[12:41] <waylandbill> unless it has its own built in dns service.
[12:42] <intelikey> after you install the kernel and modules kdehl
[12:42] <kdehl> Version string twice?
[12:42] <kdehl> Done that already.
[12:42] <kdehl> kernel and modules, that is.
[12:42] <intelikey> yes with a space between
[12:42] <waylandbill> beta: ultimately, you want the router to give you the wan dns server's address when possible.
[12:43] <kdehl> Okay.
[12:43] <beta> waylandbill: you mean pass it to linux dhcpclient which then should put it into the /etc/resolv.conf?
[12:43] <beta> +the
[12:43] <intelikey> the first is part of the file name it will make the second tells it what flavour to make kdehl
[12:43] <kdehl> Aha.
[12:43] <kdehl> Is that a debian specific command? I
[12:44] <kdehl> 've never seen it before.
[12:44] <intelikey> like this    sudo initramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-28-386 2.6.15-28-386
[12:44] <intelikey> example    ^
[12:44] <kdehl> Yeah, it worked, I think.
[12:45] <intelikey> if it did then the new initrd.img file will be in /boot and ready to boot
[12:45] <intelikey> be sure to point grub at it.
[12:45] <intelikey> or your boot loader if not default
[12:45] <kdehl> Yup. Done that.
[12:45] <kdehl> Thanks for the help!
[12:45] <intelikey> np
[12:46] <beta> uhm to make this point clear: the /etc/resolv.conf should not have the router ip in it but the actual dns ip?
[12:47] <intelikey> beta i would think so.  but i'm network illiterate
[12:47] <intelikey> so don't go by what i think
[12:48] <beta> i think it should from what i can put together so far
[12:48] <beta> now this is messed up...why can i still resolve every adress just fine if the actual router ip is there
[12:49] <intelikey> ive got a cupple of 205.171.*.* addresses in mine.  no router
[12:49] <beta> (beside the repos urls so far unfortunately...)
[12:50] <beta> intelikey: yes im pretty sure your right it should have the dns server in there the /sbin/dhcpclient should put it there if i got it right
[12:51] <beta> ok, now the question is what to do....i dont understand why this problem exist
[12:51] <intelikey> where did waylandbill hide ?
[12:51] <beta> hiding from me...
[12:51] <beta> :)
[12:51] <intelikey> or Jucato   he's the network guru
[12:51] <waylandbill> I'm here. nature called.
[12:52] <intelikey> Jucato is the network guru !
[12:52] <intelikey> he knows all about networking
[12:52] <beta> gosh....but i rellay always seem to have this dumb problems nobody else has
[12:52] <beta> hm
[12:52] <beta> computer hate me
[12:52] <waylandbill> yes. you would want the router to assign you the isp's dns server.
[12:53] <beta> i could deny write acces to the resolv.conf
[12:53] <beta> not great but i guess it would work then
[12:53] <waylandbill> but if your isp changes their dns server, then you have extra work to do.
[12:54] <waylandbill> what kind of router is it?
[12:54] <intelikey> beta the issue you have is "the /etc/resolv.conf keeps resetting" ?    i have seem many say that.  it's not just you.
[12:54] <beta> uh....dont ask me a dlink cheapass piece of junk....its old
[12:54] <waylandbill> the /etc/resolv.conf is giving him an address for the nameserver that doesn't work.
[12:55] <intelikey> unfortunately i have never paid attention to the solution they came up with.
[12:56] <beta> intelikey: yup...but thats the normal behaviour if i got it right....the /sbin/dhcpclient gets the dns server ip from the router and then puts it into the resolv.conf.....so its meant to be restetted actually with evrery boot
[12:56] <beta> intelikey:  the problem is that it puts my routers ip in the resolv.conf....and even more weird is that the router ip actually works great as the dns server (beside the repos urls) ;)
[12:56] <intelikey> or more correctly, with ever network startup.   boot or not.
[12:57] <beta> yup...
[12:57] <beta> is this strange or am i messed up?
[12:57] <intelikey> no
[12:58] <beta> intelikey: indeed strange?
[12:58] <intelikey> no  you are just one of a long list i've seen with that issue
[12:58] <beta> ok
[12:58] <intelikey> search the wiki/forums
[12:59] <intelikey> !dns
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <intelikey> hmm the bot is ignorant of that issue.
[01:00] <beta> hes fed up with me
[01:00] <beta> :)
[01:00] <intelikey> someone should educate him.
[01:01] <intelikey> farmer must first have the fruit.
[01:01] <beta> waylandbill: can i terrorize you with one last qustion?
[01:01] <waylandbill> ok
[01:01] <intelikey> i got no seeds to sow into the bot on that one.
[01:02] <beta> waylandbill: you suggested to setup the router to use static ips when we began discussing this mess....if i would do that the router would still have to pass the dns ip to linux?
[01:02] <beta> (so it wouldnt solve the problem)
[01:03] <intelikey> that's a question
[01:03] <waylandbill> beta: you'd set up the pc to use static, not the router.
[01:03] <waylandbill> beta: that way you have to specify the dns server manually and resolv.conf is not modified
[01:04] <waylandbill> you'd have to specify the ip, dns, and gateway addresses.
[01:04] <beta> wayland: gateway adress wozuld still be my router though?
[01:05] <waylandbill> correct
[01:05] <intelikey> well there you go.  that's a work around.    also making the resolv.conf ummutable would be a work around.  but not a good one.
[01:05] <beta> wayland: and i would have to setup the router from using dhcp to static ip handling as well i suppose?
[01:05] <waylandbill> nope. No change in the router needed
[01:06] <beta> intelikey: unmutable = deny write access?
[01:06] <intelikey> yes  and also equals a typo on my part
[01:06] <intelikey> immutable
[01:06] <waylandbill> if you use static ip, the fact that the router has a dhcp server doesn't matter. You're just not using it.
[01:07] <beta> intelikey: yep iether that or static ip...i just dont know if im allowe dto change the router setup thats my problem
[01:07] <waylandbill> you could disable the dhcp server in the router, but no reason to mess with it.
[01:07] <beta> wayland: allright i dont understand how the router knows my linux box ip then...but i dont want to hassle you with that now any further
[01:07] <beta> really not ;)
[01:07] <beta> ill see if that works
[01:08] <beta> and than hit the pillows for now
[01:08] <waylandbill> beta: your mac address hard coded into the nic.
[01:08] <beta> wayland: ah!!!
[01:08] <beta> wowsers
[01:08] <waylandbill> when your computer asks for a dhcp address, it must send it's mac to the server.
[01:08] <beta> i have the feeling i actually might (!) really have learned something today ;)
[01:09] <beta> im off now
[01:09] <waylandbill> take it easy
[01:09] <intelikey> gooday beta
[01:09] <beta> wayland: intelikey: thx both of you for your kind and pateient help!
[01:10] <beta> keeps you going ;)
[01:10] <beta> bye!
[01:10] <intelikey> well it's not time yet but it looks like a good time for me to do rounds.
[01:11] <ForgeAus> Jucato you there?
[01:11] <Jucato> yes
[01:11] <intelikey> so i'll click out.  seeing that no one knows why tty[2-6]  is active with no getty running on them...
[01:11] <Jucato> intelikey: btw, that caused my system to.. um... let's just say it was ugly and I had to push reset
[01:11] <ForgeAus> I have some problems starting kde from commandline mostly seems like it doesn't know which display to use and I don't know where to set it
[01:11] <intelikey> Jucato ?
[01:11] <ForgeAus> (startX works but startKDE and/or startglx doesn't)
[01:12] <intelikey> switching to tty12 did ?
[01:12] <Jucato> intelikey: touch /dev/tty12 etc...
[01:12] <Jucato> kinda halted tty7...
[01:12] <ForgeAus> I captured the stderr/stdout so I could see what was wrong
[01:12] <ForgeAus> want me to pastebin it?
[01:12] <Jucato> er.. um...
[01:12] <Jucato> not really sure I know the answer anyway...
[01:13] <ForgeAus> here's the link if you need/want it anyway...
[01:13] <ForgeAus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10597/
[01:13] <intelikey> you should have seen a blank screen with a blinking cursor that wouldn't accept input on tty12  nothing else should have been affected at all.   Jucato   are you sure it wan't something else ?
[01:14] <ForgeAus> is there a script that runs all that somewhere?
[01:14] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah it was my stupidity. but I did see the blinking cursor thing
[01:14] <ForgeAus> or a .conf (somewhere in /etc?) that sets the display?
[01:14] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the startkde script?
[01:14] <ForgeAus> is startkde a script?
[01:14] <ForgeAus> oh ok
[01:15] <intelikey> Jucato well i won't ask you to play in consoles anymore but that blank screen i get on tty[2-6]    and i can't seem to find what is activating them.
[01:16] <ForgeAus> wow they all are... starte16, startkde, startxgl, startxfce4, startsqueak, startfluxbox! omg!
[01:16] <intelikey> sorry if i put you in the dark there fella'
[01:17] <Jucato> hehe so you didn't wonder what took me so long to get back to you? :D
[01:17] <intelikey> yeah i wondered.    just figured you were busy.
[01:18] <Jucato> hehe
[01:18] <Jucato> well I ate dinner after rebooting..
[01:18] <waylandbill> intelikey: maybe /etc/event.d/tty[1-6]  has something to do with it?
[01:18] <Jucato> had to reboot twice, coz first time I reboot, fsck failed
[01:19] <ForgeAus> un nah I don't want to change that
[01:19] <waylandbill> intelikey: if you examine each tty file in that directory, you'll see they are started on runlevels.
[01:19] <ForgeAus> it doesn't seem right
[01:19] <intelikey> waylandbill might if it existed in dapper
[01:19] <intelikey> waylandbill there is no dir by that name
[01:19] <waylandbill> intelikey: maybe in a different location. I found them by 'locate tty'
[01:19] <ForgeAus> besides XGL's is much simpler, all it says is Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer &
[01:20] <ForgeAus> um what could be wrong with that?
[01:20] <ForgeAus> is display meant to be 1 or 0?
[01:21] <waylandbill> intelikey: but the ttys are defined to start on normal runlevels (in edgy at least)
[01:21] <intelikey> waylandbill nope. nothing with tty in it's name but britty.conf  and i'm not using britty
[01:21] <ForgeAus> as in :0 or :1
[01:21] <waylandbill> intelikey: you could grep in /etc for "start on runlevel"
[01:22] <intelikey> waylandbill but i have them commented out in inittab   that's not it.
[01:22] <intelikey> and i have greped and finded for it.
[01:23] <waylandbill> well. if you ever go to edgy, you'll know why. :-P
[01:23] <intelikey> heh ok.
[01:25] <intelikey> well time for rounds.
[01:29] <marcspages> Anyone know if Kopete is now locked out if you use a newly acquired Windows Live ID? I've traced the network activity and it appears the MSN servers are issuing a "download the latest Messenger" command and refusing login. I use a "non MSN" email address; Yahoo working fine.
[01:30] <tominglis> hi, i have installed thoggen on kubuntu feisty, and I canne get the cropping tool to work. it just shows you a black screen, whichever part of the slider you scan to. i am not sure that it is reading the dvd for it? it does produce an excellent backup though, but with black bars at top and bottom. any suggestions?
[01:30] <waylandbill> marcspages: they may have just changed the protocol a touch. Probably will be fixed in a future kopete
[01:31] <waylandbill> marcspages: this wouldn't be the first time they've done that in their protocol.
[01:32] <waylandbill> tominglis: that sounds like aspect ratio.
[01:32] <tominglis> waylandbill
[01:33] <tominglis> oops
[01:33] <tominglis> you can choose the aspect ratio above
[01:33] <tominglis> and then there is an option to crop the image
[01:33] <tominglis> i.e. to remove the black lines at the top and bottom
[01:33] <tominglis> there is a screen which should display the dvd image in teh centre, and it has cropping tools at top and bottom and left and right
[01:34] <tominglis> but on my computer, there is just a black bit in the middle
[01:34] <marcspages> waylandbill: I thought as much! I tried the Windows Live Messenger and it is far too busy for my liking (I'm dyslexic and throwing too much info at me is confusing to say the least - Kopete is made for people like me!).
[01:34] <tominglis> no matter whereabouts on the slider you move to
[01:35] <waylandbill> tominglis: I've never used the program so I can't say. I'm thinking the viewing program isn't set to the correct aspect ratio or the black areas would not be there. That's just a guess though.
[01:36] <waylandbill> marcspages: that and windows messenger is integrated into IE which is an issue in itself.
[01:38] <Forge> um what are .hidd files?
[01:38] <marcspages> waylandbill: true! Hopefully my working Yahoo will connect with hotmail client (daughter). As you can tell, all new to this! (darn newbies, I know, pain in the rears etc.). Ah, lunch is served - back in a mo.
[01:39] <ubuntu> como se cambia d idioma el linux ubuntu
[01:40] <Jucato> !es | ubuntu
[01:40] <ubotu> ubuntu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:41] <waylandbill> marcspages: I'm not sure if msn has a java client that you can use in your browser. I know yahoo does. It would get you online at least.
[01:46] <compilerwriter> good morning all
[01:47] <waylandbill> someone will tell you it's not morning everywhere, but it is here so morning back at ya
[01:48] <compilerwriter> I am well aware of this, but for at least half of the world it is some time in the morning. But to be politically correct I guess I should start with Greetings and Salutations.
[01:49] <waylandbill> I'm as politically incorrect as they come, so I won't hold it against you. ;-P
[01:50] <compilerwriter> Waylandbill are you in the US?
[01:50] <waylandbill> NY
[01:50] <compilerwriter> Have you happened to notice the new Army bdus?
[01:52] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: no didn't notice
[01:53] <crazy_bus> how well does window vista dual boot with ubuntu?
[01:53] <compilerwriter> The US flag is now detachable.  It is velcro attached when in use.  They have also moved the rank insignia to a velcro spot on the chest.  If you happened to run into buxom female personnel you are staring right into their cleavage to see if you need to salute or not.  If you must salute, it would be in grave doubt what you are saluting.
[01:53] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: oh brother
[01:54] <compilerwriter> There has been more than one staff sgt who wanted to salute the gorgeous rack on a private he was encountering.
[01:54] <compilerwriter> I thought that would give you something chuckle over with you coffee and donut.
[01:55] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: changing it for a genuine need is one thing. that's just too much CYA for any good.
[01:55] <waylandbill> compilerwriter: yeah. it gave me a chuckle.
[01:56] <compilerwriter> There was a genuine need, but these unneccessary changes got made in the mean time.
[01:56] <compilerwriter> I should say along with.
[01:56] <compilerwriter> Our politically incorrect chuckle for the day.
[01:58] <compilerwriter> h3h_timo change the nick to h30 and we could call you heavy water.  Greetings and salutations.
[01:58] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: should be okay, but grub won't automatically put vista in there, requiring editting the menu.lst
[02:00] <crazy_bus> that's the problem.  I installed ubuntu on a computer which had vista preinstalled.  ubuntu works fine but vista wont go past the loading screen.  The bar just keeps on going.  I left it going for around 12 minutes.  Is there a problem?
[02:03] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: I'm only going from what I've heard. I've never used vista and my xp experience is even getting rusty as I've not used it for better part of a year.
[02:04] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: is this the first boot back into vista or have you tried more than one time?
[02:05] <crazy_bus> I set up the preinstalled vista on the computer.  Rebooted and installed edubuntu
[02:05] <crazy_bus> I haven't load vista since trying today and finding it not load in the 12 minutes I tried
[02:06] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: I'd try cold booting into vista again.
[02:06] <crazy_bus> how do you cold boot?
[02:06] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: power cycle the pc.
[02:06] <crazy_bus> I still dont understand :)
[02:07] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: turn off pc. turn on pc.
[02:07] <crazy_bus> how will that help?
[02:09] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: my guess is you're not going to succeed on this boot after 12mins. I'm curious if it was just a bad boot..
[02:10] <crazy_bus> I pressed the powerbutton until it turned off them loaded edubuntu.  Then restarted after a while and had the same problem trying vista again
[02:10] <kinho> ola pessoal
[02:10] <kinho> eu quero saber pq meu apt-get n baixa pacotes
[02:10] <kinho> diz que a lista esta pronta
[02:10] <kinho> mas n instala nada
[02:10] <apokryphos> !es
[02:10] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:11] <apokryphos> may be Portuguese :D
[02:11] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: sounds like a problem in vista of some sort. Don't think its ubuntu's fault, wouldn't be my guess anyway.
[02:11] <crazy_bus> would their be anyway to fix it?
[02:12] <waylandbill> you may have better luck with vista experts.
[02:13] <crazy_bus> it's just that its not my computer.  And while they much prefer linux I don't particulary want to have broken their vista :)
[02:14] <waylandbill> crazy_bus: remove the vista partition and try to convince them it was never there in the first place. :-D
[02:15] <pearly> Q: What's the difference between /usr/share/X11/fonts and /usr/share/fonts/X11? Why have them both?
[02:15] <crazy_bus> the only reason I tried it again is because I was having difficulty getting dialup internet working on linux and they wanted to see if it worked on windows
[02:20] <dhq> i need to use c++ in linux
[02:20] <dhq> what program can i use to run graphics in c++
[02:23] <Jucato> dhq: what do you mean?
[02:25] <dhq> Jucato: in our university we use c++/graphics
[02:25] <waylandbill> dhq: sdl
[02:25] <Jucato> SDL, OpenGL, and #ubuntu-programming and ##c++ :)
[02:26] <dhq> waylandbill: sdl???
[02:27] <waylandbill> !info sdl
[02:27] <ubotu> Package sdl does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:28] <waylandbill> simple directmedia layer
[02:28] <Jucato> !info libsdl1.2-all
[02:28] <mmarc> hey there, i got a problem with my rt73 wlan stick, ndiswrapper driver install was successfull, iwlist scan shows up my accesspoint, but i cant set any essid :/
[02:28] <ubotu> Package libsdl1.2-all does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[02:29] <Jucato> bah :)
[02:30] <waylandbill> mmarc: with my bcm4318, the windows driver supplied with the laptop didn't get any ssid. I had to find a windows driver for a different laptop before i could.
[02:31] <waylandbill> mmarc: but the supplied driver worked like 85% of the time in windows when I first got it. stupid compaq. :-D
[02:31] <bonderbay> slm herkese
[02:33] <mmarc> hmm i even tried som opensource drivers from serialmonkey, same problem
[02:36] <wargoth_> hi all
[02:36] <dystopianray> how can I get back the ctrl+click file selecting in konqueror?
[02:38] <wargoth_> dystopianray: kpersonalizer
[02:38] <dystopianray> do you know which config file contains the setting?
[02:38] <wargoth_> dystopianray: no, i dont
[02:39] <Jucato> dystopianray: what do you mean by ctrl+click selecting?
[02:39] <dystopianray> Jucato: hold ctrl, click some files, they are all selected
[02:39] <dystopianray> Jucato: at the moment, each file clicked on deselects all the other files
[02:40] <Jucato> dystopianray: are you in detailed list view or in icon view?
[02:40] <dystopianray> tree view
[02:40] <dystopianray> ah, i see that you need to click directly onto the icon/filename
[02:41] <dystopianray> now I need to work out how to get the normal behaviour back
[02:41] <waylandbill> dystopianray: by normal, you mean like windows explorer?
[02:41] <dystopianray> waylandbill: no I mean like vanilla kde
[02:42] <waylandbill> kpersonalizer
[02:42] <dystopianray> I don't want it ruining all my other settings
[02:42] <waylandbill> kcontrol, behavior then
[02:43] <VorelAesthyr> I can see my flash drive, I can copy from it, but I can't write to it
[02:43] <waylandbill> I hate going to a friends with xp and doing anything. I single click and wait and then get irritated cause nothing happened. :-)
[02:43] <dystopianray> waylandbill: desktop -> behaviour? nothing in there
[02:43] <darkserver3> hey guys... in konsole who can i see my system services
[02:43] <waylandbill> dystopianray: I'm bringing up kcontrol now.
[02:44] <wargoth_> darkserver3: ps -Al
[02:44] <darkserver3> ok
[02:45] <dystopianray> and also, why aren't unmounted removeable devices shown in media:/ or on my desktop? the .desktop files are present, it's as though kubuntu has been modified to ignore them
[02:45] <federicoC81> hello everybody! I have a problem with characters' visualization: the chars look out of focus. I followed this guide on the wiki without success http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/MigliorareCaratteri?highlight=%28anti-alias%29
[02:46] <waylandbill> dystopianray: kcontrol->desktop->window behavior
[02:46] <federicoC81> do you have any other ide?
[02:46] <federicoC81> do you have any other suggestion?
[02:46] <VorelAesthyr> How do I change the owner of my flash drive?
[02:47] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: change the ownership of its device node
[02:47] <wargoth_> federicoC81: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
[02:48] <federicoC81> yes..
[02:48] <dystopianray> waylandbill: which option?
[02:48] <dystopianray> shift-click file selecting still works like normal, it's just ctrl-click file selecting that is messed up
[02:48] <wargoth_> federicoC81: what 'yes'?
[02:48] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill I have no clue how to
[02:48] <federicoC81> i think i already did with these options
[02:48] <federicoC81> Native
[02:48] <federicoC81> Always
[02:48] <federicoC81> No
[02:49] <federicoC81> but it didn't work
[02:49] <wargoth_> federicoC81: hm.. did you played with kcontrol->fonts settings?
[02:49] <wargoth_> federicoC81: what monitor do you have?
[02:50] <federicoC81> i have a laptop asus
[02:50] <federicoC81> i don't know exactly which monitor..
[02:50] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: first, how did you mount it? by the action dialog that popped up?
[02:51] <federicoC81> wargoth_ do i have to enable anti alias, isn't it?
[02:53] <federicoC81> wargoth_ i mean in kcontrol-->fonts settings?
[02:53] <wargoth_> federicoC81: first, you should set up correct resolution of the screen
[02:53] <eilker> reconfiguring Xserver, what is the difference between Im/PS2 and Explorer/PS2 ?
[02:54] <wargoth_> federicoC81: doesn't metter
[02:54] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill sudo chmod -R 755 /media/USB/     worked cause I was being dumb and didn't check the forums
[02:55] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: that's a way to do it too. :-)
[02:55] <federicoC81> wargoth_
[02:55] <federicoC81> xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
[02:55] <federicoC81>   dimensions:    1024x768 pixels (333x227 millimeters)
[02:55] <federicoC81> wargoth_ is this resolution ok for a 15.2" monitor?
[02:56] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill yeah, I was just freaking out cause I had to get this 5 page poem onto my flash for class
[02:56] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: well, now your blood pressure can go down some. :-)
[02:57] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill Its my philosophy class and I spent 12 hours writing the essay/poem
[02:57] <wargoth_> federicoC81: hm.. I don't know exactly. try to increase it
[02:58] <wargoth_> ctrl+alt++ or ctrl+alt+-
[02:58] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: another way would've been to change the ownership of the directories to you user or a group you are a part of.
[02:59] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill I couldn't get that to work, cause admin mode wouldn't give me power over that
[02:59] <VorelAesthyr> and, one other question... I reset my host name, but as soon as I restart it resets.
[03:00] <federicoC81> wargoth_ it cannot load the module Monitor & Display.. ??
[03:00] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: hostname command is temporary. Edit /etc/hostname instead.
[03:00] <VorelAesthyr> so sudo hostname didn;t work
[03:00] <VorelAesthyr> heh, I get to tease RJ
[03:01] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: it did work, but it didn't do what you thought it would.
[03:01] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill if it doesn't do what I want it to it doesn't work imo
[03:02] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: I'm a programmer. If it was told to do something, it probably did if it didn't give you an error.
[03:03] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: it just didn't do what you intended it to. :-)
[03:03] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill its me being a girl, I like to have things work
[03:04] <VorelAesthyr> and to me work = (me ask RJ what command to use) and I get the results I want
[03:04] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: :)
[03:04] <wargoth_> federicoC81: what do you mean? did you get an error?
[03:05] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: don't be afraid to read. That's my advice. There's an abundance of documentation.
[03:06] <VorelAesthyr> waylandbill yeah, but I have this chan to help me out
[03:06] <waylandbill> VorelAesthyr: that's true. :-P
[03:06] <federicoC81> wargoth_ if i go to -->Kcontrol and i select Monitor and Display it says that it cannot load that module. possible reasons are that there was an error when i updated KDE and there is an old module left either that there are old modules developed by 3rd parties
[03:07] <federicoC81> wargoth_ so i don't know how to increase the resolution
[03:07] <Lonewolf> any tips on getting a D-link USB wireless internet dongle to work?
[03:08] <wargoth_> federicoC81: ctrl+alt++ or ctrl+alt+-
[03:08] <wargoth_> federicoC81: try this way
[03:09] <federicoC81> wargoth_ nothing happens
[03:10] <metres> Hi all, I am unable to install kaffeine under a chroot...? I got an error taht the system does not find xine_part... Anyone know how to correct that ?
[03:11] <wargoth_> federicoC81: you should fix modules issue first.
[03:12] <federicoC81> wargoth_ do you have any idea about how to fix this?
[03:13] <mojo__> mojo_83
[03:14] <eilker> my i810 driver and xorg version are incompatatible, what to do ?
[03:15] <wargoth_> federicoC81: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[03:15] <smurphy> eilker: use te builtin in xorg.. Using it here...
[03:16] <eilker> smurphy: how can i ?
[03:18] <smurphy> eilker: what System do you have ? issue this command: lspci | grep -i vga
[03:18] <_roland> what kde version is in edgy by default?
[03:18] <eilker> smurphy: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[03:19] <cosmo_> this is odd, I edited the xorg file like the guide said to enable twinview and it works in ubuntu but it is not using my second monitor in kubuntu. anyone know how to fix this?
[03:19] <federicoC81> wargoth_ nothing happens..:(
[03:21] <smurphy> Hmmm. Check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file - what chips has been detected.
[03:22] <wargoth_> _roland: 3.5.5
[03:22] <smurphy> eilker: grep Chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:22] <wargoth_> federicoC81: hm.. so I haven't any idea
[03:22] <smurphy> should provide more infos ... Don't paste it all. Only the found chipset ;)
[03:23] <federicoC81> wargoth_ ok.. thank you anyway for your time! i'll try another time.. :) bye!
[03:23] <eilker> smurphy>: (--) Chipset 865G found  / (II) I810: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100,
[03:24] <smurphy> eilker: So he found a chipset ... that's good. Why do you say it does not work ?
[03:25] <eilker> smurphy>kubuntu 6.10 , 2.6.17-11-386 my kernel, xserver 7.1.1, and i have intel i810 1:1.6.5 ,this may conflict ? i cant get login screen,(EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (0),(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module requirement mismatch, 0),(EE) No drivers available.Fatal server error:no screens found //but i even use aixgl, i have 3d beryl at the moment.
[03:27] <smurphy> eilker: This is from the Xorg.0.log file ?
[03:28] <eilker> smurphy: kdm.log
[03:28] <smurphy> eilker - doesn't make a difference. Make a: locate i810_drv.so
[03:28] <smurphy> Should return: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so
[03:28] <smurphy> This file needs to exist ...
[03:29] <smurphy> If not - install the driver. Package name: xserver-xorg-video-i810
[03:30] <wilman> i have a question : where is jack for, is it better than normal audio what is it meant for ?
[03:30] <eilker> smurphy: yes it returned exactly as you said , i have it
[03:31] <smurphy> eilker: Strange ...  Could you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and provide me the Link ?
[03:31] <eilker> smurphy: what happens if i downgrade i810 driver ? before upgrading edgy, i had kde login screen in dapper
[03:31] <smurphy> past.ubuntu.org just to not flood the channel ;)
[03:31] <smurphy> eilker: Hmmm... Don't know if It makes a difference. It should actually work nice ...
[03:32] <smurphy> eilker: Could you also paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file ?
[03:32] <eilker> smurphy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10609/
[03:34] <__-osh-__> Will there be any more feisty-test-cd's and when is the next one due in that case?
[03:34] <eilker> smurphy: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10610/ this is the log file
[03:34] <smurphy> eilker: Thx. Do you have the dri module available too ???
[03:35] <smurphy>  /usr/lib/dri/i810_dri.so ???
[03:35] <eilker> smurphy: let me check :)
[03:36] <`Z`> please could someone tell me how to make the IPTables for my ubuntu doesn't respond to IMCP echo ? ( sorry for my english , i'm french )
[03:37] <smurphy> eilker: Check out - if you can issue: X -probeonly and what it tells you.
[03:37] <eilker> smurphy: yes i have it , i have also several *so files there, i915 , i965 radeon and some more
[03:37] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[03:37] <ubotu> pong
[03:37] <Jucato> thanks
[03:37] <smurphy> ok. That should be ok then. lsmod | grep agp
[03:38] <smurphy> shoudl show drm and intel_agp beeing loaded ...
[03:38] <mcquaid> can someone post the the kde reps that have the latest point release for edgy?
[03:38] <eilker> intel_agp              25116  1
[03:38] <eilker> agpgart                33456  3 drm,intel_agp
[03:39] <Jucato> mcquaid: http://kubuntu.org/announcement/kde-356.php
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> wow, promising - I just updated my kids computer to feisty w/o a single issue, no deps, no holdbacks, perfect.
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> from edgy of course
[03:39] <eilker> smurphy>: do u suggest me to upgrade xorg 7.2 on edgy ?
[03:40] <smurphy> eilker: looks ok...
[03:40] <mcquaid> thx
[03:40] <smurphy> eilker: No. I used Kubuntu 6.10 before - and upgraded to 7.04 yesterday. Had some issues - was not as painless as I'd hoped it to be ;)
[03:41] <eilker> smurphy>: i am gonna use xorg 7.2 on edgy, not on feisty
[03:41] <smurphy> eilker: issuethe commend: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:41] <smurphy> eilker:" then just execute: X
[03:41] <smurphy> eilker: Exit X - if it start with: <ctrl><ALT>-Backspace
[03:42] <smurphy> at the same time.
[03:43] <LeeJunFan> one thing I like about xorg 7.2 that I tested yesterday ( as I do presentations on projectors sometimes) is that if you plug in a second monitor it just runs with it, no need to restart X after plugging in a monitor.
[03:43] <ForgeAus> ok so how can I tell apt-get that kdesu is installed? so that I can get kompile?
[03:43] <ForgeAus> kdesu HAS to be installed because I use it all the time
[03:44] <smurphy> eilker: U killed yourself ;) ???
[03:44] <eilker> smurphy: :)
[03:45] <eilker> it sent me to console, and not responding,  i did ctrl-d then startx and i am her eagain
[03:45] <smurphy> Remmerbs me good old times: Other guy: give me your IP - I'll kill your System... <ME> Here you are: 127.0.0.1 <Other Guy> Timeout p signoff :)
[03:45] <smurphy> eilker: So it's only kdm not working. In that case - X is OK - but I think your KDM has an issue...
[03:45] <smurphy> eilker: Use aptitude to uninstall kdm, and reinstall it - check what is going on ...
[03:46] <eilker> smurphy: ok friend
[03:46] <smurphy> eilker :)
[03:46] <space_ninja> centericq or irssi as an irc client?
[03:46] <eilker> smurphy: sudo aptitude remove kdm / should i use --purge ?
[03:46] <space_ninja> which one
[03:47] <smurphy> I remember having had an issue with Kdm too - when upgrading the KDE version. Don't know what it was anymore though.
[03:47] <smurphy> eilker: Hmm. Yes- - make it purge. removes all config-files.
[03:47] <sparrw> how do i turn on external scp/ssh on a kubuntu box?
[03:47] <smurphy> eilker: But use the command-line ;) makes sure you don't get expulsed from KDE :)
[03:48] <eilker> smurphy: i am in cli :)
[03:48] <smile> anyone installed Beryl in a XGL seperated session ?
[03:48] <eilker> smurphy: i have dependecy problem
[03:49] <smurphy> eilker: Ah... :) See ?
[03:49] <ForgeAus> xgl separated?
[03:49] <ForgeAus> what do you mean?
[03:49] <VorelAesthyr> bqd is that the other quote site besides bash?
[03:49] <smurphy> smile: Nope ... only AIXGL :) on a Mac-Mini :) Sexy system :D
[03:50] <smurphy> eilker: You upgraded KDE ? which version you have ?
[03:51] <eilker> smurphy: kubuntu-default setting will be removed  because of dependecy problems
[03:51] <eilker> smurphy: 3.5.5 here
[03:52] <smurphy> Hmmm... strange... Is that the only one ?
[03:52] <KiPSeRoN> smurphy
[03:52] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[03:52] <eilker> smurphy: yes it is the only one
[03:52] <ForgeAus> 3.5.6 here
[03:53] <ForgeAus> looking forward to 4 tho
[03:53] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi
[03:53] <eilker> smurphy: now installing kdm ?
[03:53] <ForgeAus> it s alittle scary tho, with KDE4Win I'm not sure what I'd want kubuntu for!
[03:56] <Smurphy[ACS] > eilker: Yes - and the other stuff it removed too...
[03:57] <mcquaid> whats the name of that new fm for kde similar to thunar
[03:57] <cosmo_> in system settings under moniter display every time I set my second moniter it doesnt save what I set, how do I fix this?
[03:59] <FJ_Sanchez> where can I found the files downloaded with apt-get source?
[04:02] <ForgeAus> how do I find out what application is using what port?
[04:02] <ForgeAus> so I can shut one down
[04:02] <Smurphy[ACS] > lsof or netstat ...
[04:05] <_roland> '
[04:08] <eduardo> Hello everyone!
[04:08] <eduardo> Is anybody here?
[04:08] <smile> eduardo: ya
[04:08] <Smurphy[ACS] > *silence*
[04:09] <eduardo> Hey Smille
[04:10] <eduardo> so... can anybody here tell me if the next (K)Ubuntu distro will have a fix on the shutdown problem?
[04:10] <smile> eduardo: wat ?
[04:10] <smile> eduardo: what problem ?
[04:11] <eduardo> Because some people like me are not being able to shut down the PC... I think it is more often on DELL pcs
[04:11] <_roland> hmm strange.. i have a dell optiplex gx260 and i can shutdown fine
[04:12] <smile> eduardo: try in konsole "sudo shutdown -r now" and see if it reboots
[04:12] <eduardo> I have both Dimension 470 and Optplex... and their both many times do'nt shut down
[04:12] <_roland> i used to have shutdown problems in ms vista
[04:12] <eduardo> ok Smille... but I have to put my password in that command... I want to have it fix in the common way... by the KDE menu
[04:13] <Jucato> er don't do that while KDE is running...
[04:14] <eilker> me ?
[04:14] <smile> eduardo: u r new in Konversation!! u should type the name and (:) then ur message
[04:14] <eduardo> Anyway... anyone here knows anything about a fix about it?
[04:14] <cosmo_> I am trying to instal my printer, I downloaded the linux drivers from brother's website, I got a control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary files, now what do I do with them?
[04:15] <Smurphy[ACS] > cosmo: Just check if your system is supported without all these drivers ...
[04:15] <Smurphy[ACS] > !cups
[04:15] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:15] <eduardo> smile
[04:16] <eduardo> smile (:) how
[04:16] <eduardo> ?
[04:16] <eduardo> heheh
[04:16] <eduardo> Let it be...
[04:16] <eduardo> Bye!
[04:16] <shadwan> hey, everyone
[04:17] <smile> shadwan: hi
[04:17] <shadwan> i wonder if anyone can tell me why my 'super' key isn't working, or at least how i can set up my keyboard.
[04:17] <smile> super means Windows key ?
[04:17] <shadwan> yes
[04:18] <shadwan> my xorg says the same as other people i know
[04:18] <smile> shadwan: u wanna use beryl or compiz or amarok ?
[04:18] <shadwan> beryl
[04:18] <eilker> i lost the bar where kmix klipper were
[04:18] <Smurphy[ACS] > Ah... Anyone knows where the Any key is ???
[04:18] <Smurphy[ACS] > eilker: U back ??? :)
[04:18] <smile> type "kcontrol" in konsole
[04:19] <Smurphy[ACS] > eilker: This bar is called: kicker ?
[04:19] <smile> and configure language and regionalism
[04:19] <waylandbill> or alt-f2 kcontrol
[04:19] <shadwan> smile: i'll try. cheers
[04:19] <Smurphy[ACS] > eilker: Had to change my nick. Nich registration.
[04:19] <eilker> Smurphy[ACS] > yes :)  no success and i lost that bar i dont know its name :)
[04:19] <Smurphy[ACS] > *lol* Kicker... Start aptitude in a console, and search for KDE packages... and select these - install these/
[04:20] <eilker> Smurphy[ACS] > its name kicker ?
[04:20] <FJ_Sanchez> How can I enable NFS version 1 support in Kubuntu?
[04:20] <FJ_Sanchez> I need it
[04:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, DL'd the new T-bird , but it won't launch FF from links and it's disappeared from the desktop and the K-menu , only way to run it is from the runbox...any ideas
[04:21] <Smurphy[ACS] > It's the kicker bar ... :)
[04:22] <zicero> hi all .. im having heady "redraw problems" (i get weird graffitti on screen) when using krdc/rdesktop on kubuntu 6.1 .. is that a "known bug" or do i have to adjust some settings ?! (it worked fine with 6.06)
[04:22] <shadwan> smile: i don't see anything obvious to change. i'm set to united kingdom (where i am) and british english. should i try the shortcut schemes? mine's just set to "current scheme", so i don't know what it is...
[04:22] <draik> I upgraded my 250GB hdd to 500GB
[04:22] <zicero> (all happening inside the rdesktop screen - kde is all ok)
[04:22] <draik> I did a Norton Ghost of the old to new hdd
[04:22] <draik> 1:1 copies
[04:23] <smile> shadwan: change "keybord model"
[04:23] <draik> except that I expanded my Kubuntu partition to fill the unallocated space.
[04:23] <smile> shadwan: make it "windows keybord"
[04:23] <draik> How do I get GRUB installed on this new HDD? I did not copy the MBR from the old HDD because GRUB didn't work
[04:24] <draik> !grub
[04:24] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:24] <Smurphy[ACS] > eilker: start the application: kicker
[04:24] <shadwan> smile: ok. done but no difference. do i need to restart x?
[04:24] <smile> no
[04:25] <jago> i have a sesion of adept that was left running when the computer crashed and now i can not get any of the update software to work. what can i do?
[04:27] <smile> shadwan: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html and read keybord layout section
[04:27] <shadwan> smile: thanks
[04:27] <smile> shadwan: welcome
[04:27] <jago> and it was in the middle of an install at the time. i don't know if that matters or not.
[04:31] <jago> can some one tell me how to fix my problem? Please.
[04:32] <jhutchins> !adept crash | jago
[04:32] <ubotu> jago: adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:32] <jhutchins> Hm...
[04:33] <jhutchins> !adeptfix|jago
[04:33] <ubotu> jago: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:33] <_4strO> yop
[04:33] <_4strO> i have a pb with samba and a usb2 disk
[04:33] <_4strO> i cant share it
[04:34] <_4strO> i see it in the samba brwser
[04:34] <_4strO> but i cant go into it
[04:34] <jhutchins> !enter
[04:34] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:35] <Smurphy[ACS] > I love these bots... Now - if only we could increase the AI so we dont have to type in all these requests :)
[04:36] <zicero> are there any known problems with the rdesktop ? (im running 1.4.1-1.1) or .. where could i look it up if there might/are ?!
[04:36] <jhutchins> _4strO: Pretty much just guessing at your problem, but look at the permissions on the disk, and what you've set with the samba share for permissions and ownership.
[04:37] <jhutchins> zicero: google.
[04:37] <zicero> sigh ok thank you
[04:37] <_4strO> jhutchins: permission in samba are ok
[04:37] <_4strO> think the pb come from the automount
[04:37] <shadwan> hey, smile: i can't select a keyboard model or add layouts. the selection boxes are blank...
[04:38] <rourke> what's the difference between linux-image-*-386 and linux-image-*-686?
[04:38] <Smurphy[ACS] > routke: Optimization for cpu types.
[04:38] <hatta> one is optimized for i386, the other optimized for i686
[04:38] <jago> ubotu: i got this "Unknown option '-vki'" when i typed that in
[04:38] <jago> thank you for the reply
[04:39] <hatta> if you have a p2 or better, use i686
[04:39] <_4strO> !automount
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <_4strO> !usb
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <jago> ubotu: is there any hing else you can think of?
[04:41] <shadwan> dang. smile has gone. can anybody help me? my super/windows key isn't detected and i there are no keyboard models to choose from in my keyboard layout settings...
[04:41] <_roland> kubuntu upgrades would make good use of some type of a progress indicator while upgrading
[04:41] <_roland> (replacing packages)
[04:43] <Smurphy[ACS] > _roland - it did here ...
[04:44] <bentob0x> probably a stupid question but how do you create console shortcuts for specific folders?
[04:45] <bentob0x> like cd web -> /var/www/
[04:45] <bentob0x> so that you can use it from any folder
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > bentobox: ln /var/www web
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > :)
[04:45] <_roland> you mean symbolic links bentob0x
[04:45] <rourke> hatta: i don't have pentium, i have amd64, used on 32 bits
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > bentobox: sorry: ln -s /var/www/web
[04:45] <bentob0x> and if I'm anywhere, it'll link on it?
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > ;)
[04:45] <_4strO> shadwan: bentob0x ln -s /var ...
[04:45] <rourke> hatta: should i still use -686?
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > bentobox: sorry: ln -s /var/www web
[04:45] <Smurphy[ACS] > *lol* Not my Day. Flat fingers ;)
[04:45] <hatta> I dunno I don't use 64 bit
[04:46] <hatta> I don't know why I'd need that much precision
[04:46] <bentob0x> so if I'm in ~/Desktop for instance and I type cd web, it'll put me straight into /var/www/ ?
[04:46] <bentob0x> I mean more like some kind of global variable
[04:48] <Smurphy[ACS] > !alias
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <bentob0x> I'll man it
[04:48] <Smurphy[ACS] > bentobox: man bash - and check for alias ;)
[04:48] <Smurphy[ACS] > alias rm="rm -i" will always be rm -i :)
[04:48] <nixternal> actually, man dash
[04:48] <nixternal> *buntu uses dash
[04:49] <Smurphy[ACS] > dash screws all my scripts - and I have tons of these...
[04:50] <Tm_T> well, you can blame dash really
[04:50] <nixternal> Smurphy[ACS] : I just update-alterantives --config and select bash
[04:50] <nixternal> bash is still installed
[04:50] <Smurphy[ACS] > nixternal :)
[04:52] <bentob0x> where is $HOME defined?
[04:53] <bentob0x> or ~ for instance
[04:53] <Smurphy[ACS] > echo $HOME
[04:53] <Smurphy[ACS] > It is defined by the Login-programm or Pam when u login. However u can change it ... Reads it from /etc/passwd
[04:54] <_4strO> Smurphy[ACS] : you know how to change permissions of an USB HD automounted ?
[04:55] <Smurphy[ACS] > 4stro: I doin't use automount... Am one of the old guys .. cli manually ...
[04:55] <Smurphy[ACS] > !automount
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <_roland> hey, wich is more feature-full and fast in terms of performace? koffice or openoffice?
[04:55] <_4strO> dont choose to automount or not
[04:56] <jhutchins> _roland: oo would never be described as fast.  It's been having problems lately, and support is hard to find.
[04:57] <_roland> ok so koffice is a good replacement for oo if i want decent modern features but much better performance ?
[04:58] <_roland> does it have functions like generating a summary of a large document ?
[04:58] <Jucato> if you're handling a lot of MS Office documents, you might want to stick w/ OO.o though
[04:58] <epimeth> ahoy everybody!
[04:59] <_roland> no, i dont have problems regarding the formats wich i will work with.. i want to work with koffice if it can perform summaries of large documents based on some criteria
[04:59] <kdehl> So, I installed a new kernel, and it boots successfully with the initrd image as a root file system, but it can't mount my harddrive. It is "waiting for root file system". I googled around, read on old posts that there might be an issue with udev, but isn't mkinitramfs supposed to take care of that?
[05:02] <ashmaus> 'morning all
[05:02] <kdehl> Morning ashmaus.
[05:03] <cosmo_> I went to the brother website installed the files they tell me but when I go to add the printer it still doesn't bring up my model to choose from
[05:03] <ashmaus> Need second opinion. Is Ubuntu stable enough for a grandmother?
[05:03] <kdehl> ashmaus: Absolutely. As long as she won
[05:03] <ashmaus> for eMail and web, without me getting a ton of calls to "fix it"
[05:03] <kdehl> '
[05:03] <kdehl> t
[05:03] <kdehl> upgrade any packages.
[05:04] <ashmaus> Can I disabble adept so she can't even see it?
[05:04] <ashmaus> er dissable
[05:08] <cosmo_> anyone have any ideas?
[05:09] <_roland> what KDE is in edgy?
[05:09] <ashmaus> Hey, someone write my nick please
[05:09] <_roland> ashmaus
[05:10] <jhutchins> cosmo_: Dunno, mine worked in Mandriva.   Which model is it?  It's not like anybody here has universal knowledge of all brother pritners.
[05:10] <jhutchins> _roland: 3.5.6 is available, I think 3.5.5 is the default.
[05:10] <jhutchins> !kde
[05:10] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[05:10] <ashmaus> thanks. I got the speech on this working, but my computer needs voice lessons
[05:10] <cosmo_> it's a brother fax 1840c
[05:11] <_roland> ty jhutchins
[05:13] <ashmaus> Wow, everytime I look at a new feature it makes me glad I coruppted my windows drive
[05:14] <ashmaus> er, I mean decided to upgrade to a better OS
[05:14] <jhutchins> cosmo_: try googling the model number and ubuntu.
[05:14] <jhutchins> ashmaus: Yeah, Windows just isn't fun any more.
[05:15] <_eMaX_> hi all
[05:15] <ashmaus> hi eMaX
[05:15] <_eMaX_> where do I find where to configure what's done e.g. when I add a harddisk to a running system.
[05:16] <cosmo_> I did but the information that I can find on the ubuntu website and the brother site does not explain it very clearly, I have followed the directions both places have given and this is the point I am at
[05:16] <_eMaX_> don't know whether I translate correctly, yet it should be "messages", "media messages" or so
[05:16] <ashmaus> WTF? the K speech program can't pronounce Kubuntu? haha
[05:17] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I DL'd the new T-bird 1.5.10 , but it won't launch FF from links and it's disappeared from the desktop and the K-menu , only way to run it is from the runbox...any ideas
[05:18] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Did you install it from apt or from a mozilla installer?
[05:18] <BluesKaj> synaptic
[05:19] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Have you restarted x since you installed it?
[05:20] <fidel> fff
[05:20] <ashmaus> What's a simple way to synch my laptop & desktop (both run Feisty)
[05:20] <BluesKaj> I tried the new 2.0 beta T-Bird as well and it will only run from the /home/usr /Thunderbird file
[05:20] <ashmaus> synch calendar, media, contacts, etc....
[05:20] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Yeah, be careful with that.  Mozilla installers are really tough to clean up after.
[05:20] <BluesKaj> yes , I restarted X
[05:21] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: you can always add it manually.  Sounds like a glitch in the package.  bugreport.
[05:22] <BluesKaj> the new T-bird 2.0 is atar.gz file and it won't ./configure ...weird stuff going on here, jhutchins
[05:22] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: To be expected with mozilla products.  They have bugs that I reported back when it was still called mosaic.
[05:23] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Have you tried kmail?
[05:23] <ForgeAus> how do I get stuffit/binhex compressor/expander for ubuntu?
[05:24] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Buy it?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> its commercial?
[05:24] <BluesKaj> no jhutchins , do you recomend it ?
[05:24] <_roland> is kde 3.5.6 the last in the 3.5.x series ?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> I think theres a 3.5.8 or is it 3.8.x? one of them
[05:24] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Works great for me.  I was using outlook before I moved to linux, so it's very familiar to me.  Good feature list too.
[05:24] <_roland> yea but thats a preview  of kde 4
[05:25] <ForgeAus> anyway one pre-kde4...
[05:25] <_roland> developer
[05:25] <ForgeAus> roland's prolly right... I didn't know that
[05:25] <BluesKaj> ok jhutchins , will try it
[05:25] <ashmaus> Kmail is much better then outlook.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> is there a freeware .sit/.bhx expander?...
[05:26] <_roland> windows mail is better than outlook , you should compare to that
[05:26] <luckyone_> hello everyone, I am trying to get an smb share to mount automatically at boot, can anyone help me with this?
[05:26] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:26] <ForgeAus> to mount?
[05:26] <ForgeAus> why mount, just browse
[05:27] <nixternal> you need smbfs if it isn't already installed
[05:27] <nixternal> that gives you the smbmount option
[05:27] <ForgeAus> in konqueror you can use smb://<ip or workgroup/hostname here>/
[05:27] <nixternal> there is a wiki page that tells you how to set it up
[05:27] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: http://www.stuffit.com/mac/index.html
[05:27] <ForgeAus> yeah but that won't work in linux will it?
[05:27] <luckyone_> because I have a lot of media there and I am configuring amarok to use the db that is on it, so that it doesn't replicate the db
[05:27] <nixternal> luckyone_: do what ForgeAus just said, then you can right click and add the share as well. That is the easiest way
[05:28] <dyingforyourtear> \j chan
[05:28] <ForgeAus> or get LinNeigbourhood if you PERSIST in mounting
[05:28] <ForgeAus> (I wonder if you can automount smb:/ with fstab?)
[05:28] <luckyone_> I can browse it just fine, I need to tie it to a mount point though because amarok has to use the same path for tracks as is on my media server
[05:29] <jhutchins> luckyone_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[05:29] <nixternal> smb4k is better than LinNeighbourhood, but get the one from their site and compile it yourself. The one in our repos is garbage
[05:29] <jhutchins> luckyone_: smbfs.
[05:29] <luckyone_> /luckyseven/garage1/ /media/garage1 smbfs noauto 0 0
[05:29] <luckyone_> that line with a leading // is what I am using
[05:29] <ForgeAus> smb4k kewl thanx I hand't heard of that one
[05:29] <jhutchins> ForgeAus: Yes, I do that all the time.  no need for gui utils.
[05:30] <nixternal> luckyone_: for Amarok, smbfs and smbmount is the way to go. If you go to Amaroks website, they have a tutorial for exactly what you want to do in their documentation wiki
[05:30] <luckyone_> nixternal: thanks for the tip, I will check it out
[05:30] <nixternal> ForgeAus: as long as you don't use the repos version
[05:30] <jhutchins> luckyone_: Wouldn't it be pretty obvious to change noauto to auto?
[05:30] <nixternal> luckyone_: I helped someone not long ago do exactly what you wanted to do. He was able to read the documentation and set it up, and it was his first day ever on Linux. So it must be a pretty decent doc
[05:30] <ForgeAus> ahhh http://www.stuffit.com/unix/index.html
[05:31] <nixternal> hrmm, that was an awesome app when I used Windows many years ago
[05:31] <luckyone_> btw, konqueror rocks so hard for all of the things you guys mentioned. It even does sftp sessions. That and amarok are why I switched from xfce to kde
[05:31] <jhutchins> luckyone_: //cavern/music /cavern/music smbfs credentials=/etc/samba/auth.cavern.wolfsden,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0
[05:31] <ForgeAus> winzip does bhx/sit I think
[05:32] <nixternal> luckyone_: it even does ssh sessions with fish:/username@server
[05:33] <luckyone_> nixternal: yeah, it is THE coolest file manager ever
[05:33] <luckyone_> I am kinda glad they are splitting out web from it in kde4
[05:33] <luckyone_> dolphin will be cool
[05:34] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:34] <nixternal> luckyone_: they aren't splitting
[05:34] <luckyone_> where the hell did I hear that?
[05:34] <nixternal> luckyone_: dolphin will be the file manager you see up front, and for the hardcore Konqueror will be there rocking as hard as ever
[05:34] <luckyone_> I see
[05:35] <nixternal> luckyone_: you are correct about dolphin, but it isn't replacing Konqi and Konqi isn't changing :)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> I dunno I like Krusader
[05:35] <hatta> konqueror is for wimps
[05:35] <hatta> yz, real men use krusader
[05:35] <nixternal> heh
[05:35] <c0nv1ct> krusader is nice, for file management
[05:35] <nixternal> real men use cli ;p
[05:35] <ForgeAus> it will be interesting to see how Dolphin vs Krusader progresses
[05:35] <c0nv1ct> but for general tasks, i use konq
[05:35] <ForgeAus> nix you mean mc?
[05:36] <ForgeAus> (erm sudo mc)
[05:36] <hatta> I used bash for years before krusader pried me away
[05:36] <luckyone_> is it 'neat' because it has a twin view?
[05:36] <jhutchins> real nerds use sed for file management.
[05:36] <c0nv1ct> with krusaders CLI at the bottom, you get the best of both worlds
[05:36] <luckyone_> Konq can do that no sweat
[05:36] <ForgeAus> its "neat" because it does archiving, and has lots of features
[05:36] <pearly> yep, but nerds a different world, anyway.
[05:36] <ForgeAus> not because of the twin-view (though thtas also a good feature)
[05:37] <ForgeAus> it also has a console built in
[05:37] <pearly> I always have a few bash instances.
[05:37] <pearly> AND a konqi window, of course ;-))
[05:38] <luckyone_> jhutchins: where did you find that line?
[05:38] <jhutchins> luckyone_: Which?
[05:39] <lolus> .
[05:41] <ForgeAus> krusader is no-nonsense easy to use (at least for oldskoolers, dunno bout newbies as such) and works well and fast....
[05:41] <jhutchins> luckyone_: Were you asking about that fstab entry for smbfs?
[05:41] <ForgeAus> I've been using norton commander since the early days so Krusader is just a natural progression of that kinda thing...
[05:41] <mzelem> Does anyone know what would cause me to not be able to mount CD-RW's? I can mount a normal CD just fine, but not any CD-RW's
[05:41] <djdarkman> hy ,how can I translate hda5 into grub language?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> mz the format?
[05:42] <mzelem> um, what do you mean?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> if its direct CD or InCD or whatever other type formatted
[05:42] <ForgeAus> UDF
[05:43] <mzelem> How do I find out?
[05:43] <Daisuke_Ido> packet writing, bleh
[05:43] <ForgeAus> um good question
[05:43] <jhutchins> mzelem: Some packet-written CD's can only be read by the software that wrote them.
[05:43] <jkjk> Hey is there a linux program out there that allows me to highlight words in a pdf document and add notes ?
[05:43] <mzelem> oh, well, these CD-RW's work on my dapper laptop
[05:43] <jhutchins> mzelem: What did you write the CD with?
[05:44] <ForgeAus> pdf annotation, intersting! um open office?
[05:44] <mzelem> and they used to work on this dapper desktop, but I had to re-install dapper and now it doesn't work
[05:44] <mzelem> I think the CD was written using Windows XP's 'write to CD' wizard
[05:47] <Hyper-coo> hey all i'm trying to do a plain and simple livecd boot and keep getting ACPI exceptions. Does anyone know about this?
[05:48] <soon> My laptop is connected directly by wire to a router ... how can I know the IP of the router ?
[05:49] <Hyper-coo> soon: go to google and type "what's my ip"
[05:49] <soon> yeah!?
[05:49] <Hyper-coo> yup
[05:49] <Hyper-coo> it checks the IP from the server side so it will see the router
[05:50] <iarwain> hi there, does any of you know a good (free) (mmo)rpg? (native or wine based)
[05:51] <jkjk> ForgeAus: OO office messes up the layout and can't save the changes in the pdf..
[05:51] <ForgeAus> well that highly depends on your idea of good
[05:52] <ForgeAus> jkjk in that case I'm sorry... I have no idea
[05:52] <ForgeAus> aside from what you don't want to hear (ie Adobe Acrobat)
[05:52] <jkjk> hehe yeah. i was hoping for something native..
[05:53] <soon> hmm the google thing provides me with a IP that doesnt work ... is there not a gnu tool to tell me local IPs?
[05:54] <jhutchins> jkjk: One of the main reasons for PDF's is that they're not supposed to be editable.
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> hey everybody, I have a question about running a atheros card in master mode and trying to connect to it with another computer running static IP... can anyone help?
[05:54] <nosrednaekim> and if not... what would be the appropriate channel?
[05:54] <jkjk> jhutchins: well highlighing is differnt from editing. it would just be very helpful for reading papers
[05:55] <ashmaus> off to work, bye all
[05:58] <kakarotto> hola
[05:58] <kakarotto> alguien sabe como instalar amsn en kubuntu?
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> !es | kakarotto
[05:59] <ubotu> kakarotto: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:59] <nosrednaekim> kakarotto: yo no hable espanol muy bien, pero, usa "adept", o va a #kubuntu-es
[06:03] <mcquaid> i only installed kde-core and installing things as i need, whats the default video player for kde?
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> kaffeine
[06:04] <mcquaid> ah ya couldn't remember the name, been awhile
[06:04] <mcquaid> has it improved much?
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. it pretty good
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> make sure you get amarok for music
[06:05] <beta> is it normal behaviour that it gives firefox version 1.5 only via apt-get install?
[06:05] <beta> all official repos enabled
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> beta: yes.. if you only have dapper
[06:06] <mcquaid> what about video streams in konq? i notcied there is a kaffeine xine plugin, anyway of using mplayer?
[06:07] <epimeth> how do I get my ipod working w/amarok?
[06:07] <epimeth> !ipod
[06:07] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:07] <epimeth> !rockbox
[06:07] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[06:07] <beta> nosrednaekim: yep dapper here, why is that...is firefox 2.0 not considered stable...i think the latest stable firefox release is above that even?
[06:08] <mcquaid> One thing thats bugging me is I can get smb working if i directly go to a share via smb://1.2.3.4 but nothing shows up in the network
[06:08] <mcquaid> i installed kde network stuff as it has a lot more option over gnome smb share but same thing
[06:08] <Jucato> mcquaid: there's an embedded kmplayer for Konqueror installed by default.however it's using xine. so you need to install mplayer so that you could make it work w/ mplayer
[06:08] <nosrednaekim> beta: well... I guess not... but really.. they SHOULD backport it
[06:09] <jhutchins> nosrednaekim: Beta's usually aren't backported.
[06:09] <epimeth> mcquaid: did you set the workstation and workgroup up properly?
[06:09] <beta> nosrednaekim:  ok i havent enabled the backport repo yet thought it wasnt official
[06:10] <ubuntu> SAlut !
[06:10] <ubuntu> Des Franais ici ??
[06:10] <Jucato> beta: they can't backport Firefox 2.0 to Dapper w/o affect other packages that might affect the stability of the system. you can however install it manually
[06:10] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins: i'm talking to beta, about a stable version of firefox
[06:10] <epimeth> ubuntu: !fr
[06:10] <Jucato> !fr | ubuntu
[06:10] <ubotu> ubuntu: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:10] <jhutchins> firefox 2.0 doesn'
[06:10] <epimeth> Jucato: whups.. :-)
[06:10] <ubuntu> ok, sorry
[06:10] <jhutchins> t do anything that 1.5 doesn't.
[06:10] <Jucato> session restore?
[06:10] <mcquaid> epimeth: well i made sure the workgroup was the same for both
[06:11] <mzanfardino> how do I take advantage of kde 3.5.6?
[06:11] <beta> Jucato:  oh well if it might result in an unstable system i wont install it....i was just wondering, thx
[06:11] <mzanfardino> that is, how do I install it?
[06:11] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins: ahh... but actually it does, auto restore session....and a whole lot more
[06:11] <Jucato> mzanfardino: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[06:11] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: add the repos for it
[06:12] <jhutchins> nosrednaekim: Only if it works.
[06:12] <mzanfardino> Edgy
[06:12] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: okay
[06:12] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: listen to me
[06:12] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: listening
[06:12] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[06:12] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: add that to your sources.list
[06:12] <Jucato> not that page
[06:12] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: i mean, the repos on that site
[06:13] <Jucato> :D
[06:13] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins: always has for me
[06:13] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: not the actual url
[06:13] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: gotcha
[06:13] <epimeth> mcquaid: and you gave it a unique netbios name?
[06:14] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: add those repos, and then add the jriddel key
[06:14] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: should I add all four mirrors?
[06:14] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: doesnt matter
[06:14] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: you could
[06:14] <mcquaid> epimeth: are you referring to server string in smb.conf? if so yes
[06:14] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: ok. any pitfalls I should be aware of?
[06:14] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: not really
[06:15] <hatta> mzanfardino, just wait until the alligators close their mouths and you can jump on their heads
[06:15] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: remember, you have to add the jriddel gpg key before you can use the repos
[06:15] <beta> if i enable the backport repository and i want to install a software that is available from main as well as from backport (newer version. for example) which one will get installed?
[06:15] <serpafer> alguien puede explicarme donde estoy?? jeje
[06:15] <coreymon77> serpafer: english please
[06:15] <serpafer> okey
[06:15] <jhutchins> beta: apt should select the newer packages from the combined list.
[06:16] <mzanfardino> hatta: cute... ancient Atari reference... :)
[06:16] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: what, when it says ok
[06:16] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: ok, so update sources.list with repos, add key, then apt-get update/upgrade?
[06:16] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: i know, you dont see many thing these days that say that
[06:16] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: yes
[06:16] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: first add repos, then add key
[06:16] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: then apt-get update then upgrade
[06:16] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: then update/upgrade ... got it
[06:16] <beta> jhutchins: so it would install from the backport.....this is tricky, considering that backport packages might not be stable
[06:16] <mcquaid> epimeth: i can read/write on both machines as long as i explictly go there via smb://1.2.3.4 but they don't show up for either in network
[06:17] <epimeth> they are both linux boxes?
[06:17] <epimeth> mcquaid:  ^
[06:17] <serpafer> some person explain to me that is this???
[06:18] <nosrednaekim> this is the english help channel for KUbuntu
[06:18] <epimeth> !es | serpafer
[06:18] <ubotu> serpafer: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:18] <serpafer> thanks
[06:18] <epimeth> serpafer: de nada
[06:19] <epimeth> mcquaid: one of them has to act as a WINS server
[06:19] <epimeth> mcquaid: so what are the boxes?
[06:20] <mzanfardino> coreymon77: now, this is just a desktop manager (or is it windows manager? I forget) upgrade, so I shouldn't need to rebuild my kernel (as I'm using a propritary video driver from ATI) or have to worry about my desktop configuration going ka-blooie, right?
[06:20] <serpafer> I'm surprised of ubuntu...
[06:20] <mcquaid> epimeth: how do i confirm one is using WINS. didn't know that was need for samba
[06:20] <nosrednaekim> nah... shouldn't hurt a thing mzanfardino
[06:21] <beta> serpafer: in which way?
[06:21] <serpafer> for all....
[06:21] <[BTF] Chm0d> hey guys how are you doing.  I am having a problem accessing my CD and DVD drives.  It says I have no access rights, which is kina dumb.  Please shed some light to this for me?
[06:21] <serpafer> it is incredible
[06:21] <mzanfardino> viel Dank
[06:21] <epimeth> serpafer: in [global] , wins support = yes
[06:22] <beta> serpafer: for how long have you been using linux?
[06:22] <coreymon77> mzanfardino: no, no need to recompile
[06:22] <serpafer> mmmmm
[06:22] <serpafer> 2 years
[06:22] <serpafer> more or less
[06:23] <beta> serpafer: which distru did you prefer before switching to ubuntu if you dont mond me asking
[06:24] <beta> mind
[06:24] <ubuntu> hi
[06:24] <beta> hi
[06:24] <serpafer> suse 10.1
[06:25] <[BTF] Chm0d> could someone give me a hand on access rights for my CD and DVD drive?
[06:25] <serpafer> I don't know kubuntu but now I installed
[06:26] <beta> serpafer: i see, im a complete noob myself ;)
[06:26] <mcquaid> epimeth: ok i see, i added wins support = yes to smb.conf on both machines and restarted smb but no diff
[06:27] <serpafer> beta noob???
[06:27] <serpafer> I don's understand... I'm spanish...
[06:27] <nosrednaekim> noob = new user
[06:27] <serpafer> jajajaja
[06:27] <serpafer> okey okey
[06:27] <beta> :)
[06:27] <serpafer> I'm also...
[06:29] <serpafer> bye other day will enter for this
[06:29] <serpafer> bye
[06:29] <beta> bye
[06:31] <beta> css.sh are shell scripts?
[06:32] <roland_> should i install koffice or openoffice?
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> roland_: do you work with alot of .docs?
[06:32] <roland_> no
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> just odts?
[06:32] <roland_> i work in any format its not a problem
[06:32] <roland_> i just need decent modern functionality
[06:32] <nosrednaekim> but do you have alot of .docs?
[06:32] <roland_> no i have no documents yet
[06:33] <nosrednaekim> do you ever recieve docs? like people give them to....
[06:33] <roland_> no, its all something personal i work
[06:33] <roland_> i dont care about format
[06:33] <[BTF] Chm0d> hmm out of so many people here nobody can help with access rights?
[06:33] <roland_> but i need to read .doc files ocasionally
[06:34] <roland_> to import the content
[06:35] <roland_> anyone can sugest koffice/openoffice?
[06:35] <roland_> whats better for me
[06:36] <Jucato> what works for you will be the best for you...
[06:36] <roland_> i need modern functionality, the ability to make summaries to large documents and ocasionally use some .doc
[06:36] <roland_> but i dont need bloat and slow performance
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> jucato is now known as jucatyoda
[06:36] <Jucato> roland_: koffice loads and runs faster on KDE
[06:36] <Jucato> LeeJunFan: heh :)
[06:37] <Jucato> roland_: but you still might want to check both their features and use them... then make a decision for yourself
[06:37] <roland_> i'll check koffice first
[06:37] <roland_> since i checked on oo
[06:37] <Jucato> oo.o is installed by default on Kubuntu anyway
[06:37] <Jucato> you can check their websites to
[06:37] <roland_> i dont have it anymore, the upgrade wiped it out
[06:38] <Jucato> oh?
[06:38] <roland_> upgraded from 5.10 with openoffice to 6.06 and now im nearing end of upgrade to 6.10
[06:38] <Jucato> oh
[06:39] <beta> this is strange
[06:39] <beta> i didnt install libdvdread3 but it still says its installed
[06:40] <Jucato> it could have been installed by some other package you installed
[06:40] <beta> ok
[06:40] <beta> i couldnt play dvds now i can, i just ran adept updater
[06:40] <vivh349> dsl
[06:40] <vivh349> dsl
[06:40] <beta> hadnt any dvd codecs installes so far though ;)
[06:41] <roland_> only problem i have with koffice is the ugly names of the apps :)
[06:41] <Jucato> beta: you probably installed mplayer?
[06:41] <BluesKaj> I have kmail ,kwallet installed , but they are not in the kmenu , katapult doesn't see them , runbox doesn't launch them either ...filesearch finds them but that's a ridiculous way to get the apps to run...any ideas why the links to desktop and kmenu are prevented from being installed ?
[06:42] <smile> plz someone can SEND email with Kmail or thunderbird (SMTP)
[06:42] <smile> I've GMAIL account
[06:43] <Jucato> BluesKaj: katapult only sees what's in kmenu. kmail launches in Kontact so they removed the k menu entry for it. you can run kmail from Alt+F2 "kmail" and kwallet with "kwalletmanager"
[06:43] <beta> Jucato: no, i mean the entry preview with mplayer was in konq after install and it did work (not for dvds though) but i couldnt invoke mplayer via bash or something
[06:43] <EagleScreen> hello
[06:43] <beta> Jucato: and i didnt install it
[06:44] <BluesKaj> Jucato, is there away of putting Kmail on the desktop ?
[06:44] <Jucato> beta: I meant that installing mplayer probably installed libdvdread3
[06:44] <Jucato> BluesKaj: on the desktop? right-click -> Create New -> Link to Application
[06:44] <Jucato> anyway. going to bed...
[06:44] <EagleScreen> do you want to put kmail on the desktop?
[06:45] <vivh349> j'ai un autre pb : j'ai installer kubuntu a la place d'ubuntu : a l'install, au lieu de formater les partitions et de les agrandir, j'ai supprimer les ancienne et creer de nouvelle.... maintenant, dans grub, j'ai 2X ubuntu(et ub recorvery mode) qui pointe tout les deux sur Kubuntu..............
[06:45] <beta> Jucato: might be but i didnt install mplayer this were the only codecs i installed so far gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs
[06:45] <vivh349> comment remettre sa au propre
[06:45] <vivh349> ???
[06:45] <LeeJunFan> !fr | vivh349
[06:45] <ubotu> vivh349: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:46] <vivh349> sorry
[06:46] <LeeJunFan> np
[06:47] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu Feisty is faster than Edgy
[06:47] <bxnp> who says so EagleScreen
[06:47] <EagleScreen> i say
[06:49] <EagleScreen> :P
[07:00] <slestak> im trying to reinstall bluetooth stack, edgy is not seeing my dell 350 adapter
[07:01] <slestak> ive remove /etc/bluetooth and /etc/init.d/bluetooth, and uninstalled all bluetooth related packages
[07:01] <slestak> reinstalling bluez-utils is not recreating /etc/init.d/bluetooth, and I dont see why.
[07:02] <slestak> dpkg -S says bluez-utils provides it
[07:04] <beta> whats the difference between adept and Add/Remove Programs? Add/Remove Programs does only include software that is part of a desktop suite?
[07:10] <_roland> what command do i need to enter into konsole to upgrade kde 3.5.5 on edgy to 3.5.6 after i have entered the repository in sources.list ?
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> _roland: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <nixternal> _roland: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> !upgrade | _roland
[07:11] <ubotu> _roland: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:11] <nixternal> heh
[07:11] <bdb> where is that url for automatically configuring the sources.list ?
[07:11] <_roland> umm im on edgy
[07:11] <_roland> i just need kde 3.5.6
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> !sources | bdb
[07:11] <ubotu> bdb: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> !easysource | bdb
[07:12] <ubotu> bdb: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:12] <LeeJunFan> that's the one.
[07:12] <Net_Benjo> does kubuntu spport SMP machine out of the box?
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> Net_Benjo: yes
[07:13] <nixternal> Net_Benjo: yes
[07:13] <nixternal> heh
[07:13] <_roland> also how do i acces the other package manager (not adept) because adept is too basic and has too few applications ?
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> heh
[07:13] <Net_Benjo> LeeJunFan: thanks
[07:13] <LeeJunFan> _roland: synaptic - install it, run it. sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:14] <_roland> im using ati videocard radeon 9550 and i am having issues after i logout of kde why
[07:14] <LeeJunFan> _roland: what's it doing?
[07:14] <_roland> display corruption of some sort
[07:15] <_roland> and i cannot type
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> _roland: you might try disabling framebuffer, it causes problems for me on every machine.
[07:15] <_roland> also i cant change tty
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> !framebuffer | _roland
[07:15] <ubotu> _roland: If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[07:15] <_roland> k
[07:15] <_roland> wil lthat disable the nice kubuntu boot bar ?
[07:15] <LeeJunFan> Personally I don't think the price of instability, and not being able to suspend to ram is worth the framebuffer and the pretty boot splash.
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> _roland: yes, it will :(
[07:16] <_roland> hmm
[07:16] <_roland> well i think i'm gonna pass
[07:16] <_roland> its not that bad
[07:16] <_roland> i can reboot
[07:16] <LeeJunFan> I'm one of those old school guys that likes to see the services starting up on my system so saying goodbye to quiet and splash don't bother me at all.
[07:17] <_roland> i know but im living in 2007 and i need to live in a 'straight to the point' focusing on what matters most to me, getting things done and having nice eyecandy..
[07:17] <_roland> so i dont need to see dmesg
[07:18] <_roland> i need the bootsplash
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> _roland: I save my eye candy for after bootup. beryl is fun. :)
[07:18] <_roland> i used beryl kinda..
[07:18] <_roland> but so much configurability and badly organized configuration program .. i droped it
[07:18] <LeeJunFan> _roland: that's changed A LOT!
[07:18] <_roland> also some window decorations buttons werent working properly
[07:18] <bdb> why does thekde console not use colors ? i have a vimrc setup
[07:20] <beta> can i i install the w32codecs via apt-get?
[07:20] <beta> -i
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> beta: yeah, you need to install the medibuntu sources in your sources list.
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> !medibuntu
[07:21] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[07:21] <SolidSource> !source-o0matic
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-o0matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic
[07:21] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:21] <beta> thx
[07:23] <ashmaus> In a couple hours, I am going to instal on a P1
[07:23] <ashmaus> Think it will work?
[07:23] <LeeJunFan> ashmaus: yeah, but w/o enough ram KDE probably won't be the best choice.
[07:24] <c0nv1ct> i wouldnt even run a GUI on a p1
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> windowmaker or something light would work well.
[07:24] <ashmaus> 256mb ram, 8g hdd (er maybe 128mb ram)
[07:24] <ashmaus> how about xubuntu?
[07:24] <c0nv1ct> you should try xubuntu
[07:25] <ashmaus> :)
[07:25] <c0nv1ct> ya, its way more lightweight
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I used to run windowmaker in the old days.
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> that was nice and light.
[07:25] <c0nv1ct> i ran blackbox on my old machines, if i needed a GUI
[07:25] <gekkoo> or fluxbuntu ^^
[07:25] <c0nv1ct> yeah, flux is sweet
[07:26] <Net_Benjo> guys, I need to buy a good server for my lab at school and I want to install Kubuntu on it, 'cuz we need Linux and I love Kubuntu.   But I'm just not sure if all the hardware will be supported.  Do you have any advice?
[07:26] <LeeJunFan> I remember when I started using linux 200MHz processors were the best out there. hehe
[07:26] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: depends on what you need the server for
[07:26] <Net_Benjo> c0nv1ct: scientific computing
[07:26] <slestak> can anyone tell me why reinstalling bluez-utils is not creating /etc/init.d/bluetooth.  i have tried with aptitude, apt-get and adept
[07:27] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: like, rendering molecular structures n stuff?
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> slestak: not sure, but for future reference apt-get calls dpkg, and all the GUI utils call apt-get so trying all the diff ones won't make a diff.
[07:27] <Net_Benjo> c0nv1ct: no, more like computational fluid dynamics
[07:28] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: then buy the fastest CPU and as much RAM as you can afford
[07:28] <slestak> LeeJunFan: yeah, i lloked at man for dpkg as well.  i am just getting frustrated so tried the others to get more feedback than adept was giving me
[07:28] <LeeJunFan> slestak: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall bluez-utils
[07:28] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: and as many CPUs as you can afford :P
[07:28] <slestak> LeeJunFan: i have, numerous times
[07:29] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: are you going retail? or building it?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> slestak: perhaps remove and re-install dpkg -P --force-depends bluez-utils && sudo apt-get install bluez-utils
[07:30] <Net_Benjo> c0nv1ct: right! I did that...found an awesome machine...BUT then I tohugh..well what if I install Kubuntu and for some reason MB is not totally supported...or RAID or SMP...get my drift.....If i install Win XP I know for sure everything works..but I have a bit of doubt with linux
[07:30] <slestak> LeeJunFan: did it again, same result.  wonder if it would help to delete the package file and re-download it
[07:30] <LeeJunFan> sudo dpkg -P --force-depends bluez-utils && sudo apt-get install bluez-utils
[07:30] <Net_Benjo> c0nv1ct: retail...TigerDirect.ca
[07:31] <c0nv1ct> Net_Benjo: ah, thats semi-retail, just research the components, and see if any chipsets have known bugs
[07:32] <Net_Benjo> c0nv1ct: yeah i guess that the only thing I can do..
[07:32] <slestak> LeeJunFan: that was effective, the dpkg -P is a purge correct?  tyvm for your time.
[07:32] <LeeJunFan> slestak: yeah, that's purge - you're welcome.
[07:33] <slestak> LeeJunFan: do you know how to config dpkg so it keeps python-2.5.  every install tells me i can autoremove it, but i dont want to.
[07:34] <slestak> lol, i did once and had to reinstall partition from a backup.
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> slestak: not sure about that, unless perhaps you can do apt-get install python-2.5 and see if that keeps it, perhaps with --reinstall
[07:35] <bdb> why would i need to install all these gnome libraries just to get vim-full... i mean someone has to recompile vim only for kde ffs...
[07:35] <LeeJunFan> slestak: something at one point required it, you removed that program and now apt of course thinks you don't need python-2.5 any more, but I think if you specify that you want to install it - it shouldn't treat it simply as a dependancy any more.
[07:36] <slestak> when i did let autoremove fire (to remove abt 30 gnome pkgs) my kubuntu was toast.  i think it was python it was lookign for.  thankfully i have a 1 week old backup.
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> that's funny - I only use "perhaps" when writing. I never say that word. Sounds funny to read over that message. heheh
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> slestak: yeah, likely - that maybe it python was a gnome requirement, gnome is gone now so apt thinks python isn't needed any more. Even though at a later time KDE required it. hrm.
[07:38] <Ace2016> Hi all
[07:38] <LeeJunFan> personally I like deborphan better than apt-get autoremove
[07:38] <payam> how can i install Cad on my kubuntu?
[07:38] <gekkoo> bdb: it's because of gvim (gtk) which installs with vim-full, afaik
[07:38] <bdb> wtf is katapult its taking 10 years to load
[07:39] <eddy> ciao a tutti..
[07:39] <payam> Does anyone know how i can install AutoCAD?
[07:39] <bdb> gekkoo:  so what does that have to do with anything i have compiled gvim on my slackware box before and never had to install gnome libraries... someone needs to recompile it just for kubuntu
[07:39] <bdb> gtk does not need gnome
[07:40] <payam> com one
[07:40] <payam> come on
[07:40] <payam> help me
[07:40] <payam> How can i install AutoCAD on kubuntu or is there any software  like CAd for Kubuntu?
[07:40] <gekkoo> payam: you cant actually install autoCad on linux
[07:40] <bdb> dude programs that think its cool to open a window and put it on top of all other ones and stand there for 20 years should get thrown in the garbage and never brought into the linux world again
[07:40] <gekkoo> payam: use qcad
[07:41] <payam> waite
[07:41] <payam> i dont undrstant
[07:41] <payam> how  can i install  Autocad?
[07:41] <dheerajsp> hello...how can i add Beryl-manager to my Kubuntu startup?
[07:41] <payam> Do i need  Wine installed?
[07:41] <LeeJunFan> bdb: I hate splash screens, I turn them all off. At least you can with linux - so many windows apps won't let you.
[07:41] <payam> #kubuntu.se
[07:41] <gekkoo> payam: you can't. but there's an alternative (qcad)
[07:42] <payam> okok
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> dheerajsp: ln -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager ~/.kde/Autostart/.
[07:42] <dheerajsp> thank you
[07:42] <root____> payam: try using wine
[07:43] <payam> i m not sure if it works
[07:43] <gekkoo> and if, it wouldnt work well
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> worst case scenario if you have windows you can install in vmware - vmware server is free.
[07:45] <slestak> just heard a good podcast on linuxactionshow about VirtualBox
[07:46] <bdb> who speaketh my name
[07:47] <atphalix> virtualbox?
[07:48] <mervteck> hey can anyone help me out with wine? the winehq channel is useless
[07:51] <mervteck> #winehq
[07:57] <pika> hi
[07:59] <slestak> anyone succesfully using Dell 350 bluetooth adapter?
[07:59] <txwikinger> Does anybody know where usually the .pot files should be for a package ?
[08:04] <cheeseboy> how do i tell an app to open on my other monitor?
[08:08] <PupenoR> How do I make an md5sum of a cdrom?
[08:08] <aseigo> PupenoR: by running the md5sum command on the iso
[08:09] <PupenoR> aseigo: on a phisical cd, not on the ISO.
[08:09] <PupenoR> I want to ensure the CD is ok.
[08:09] <LjL> PupenoR: md5sum /dev/cdrom
[08:09] <aseigo> PupenoR: on the device then
[08:09] <PupenoR> LjL: that gave me an I/O error.
[08:10] <LjL> PupenoR: hm, then i'd say the cd is *not* ok :P did it give it right away, or after a while?
[08:10] <beta> is java already included in dapper after a frsh install?
[08:10] <slestak> does it make a difference if it is mounted or not?
[08:10] <PupenoR> LjL: after a long while.
[08:10] <txwikinger> cheeseboy: do you mean on an X-server on a different computer?
[08:10] <cheeseboy> x-server
[08:11] <txwikinger> you can either set the DISPLAY environment variable
[08:11] <cheeseboy> how?
[08:11] <txwikinger> or start the app with -display
[08:11] <beatlebee> is this a good channel for sound card issues? I installed kubuntu a week ago, and in that time, I haven't gotten any sound, or any error messages indicating why I get no sound.
[08:11] <txwikinger> you need to use the hostname or ip-adressed with :0 on it
[08:11] <txwikinger> i.e. 192.168.0.1:0
[08:12] <LjL> PupenoR: that would normally mean that the cd-rom is bad *but* the drive itself (well, the drive's error detection circuitry) detects the problem, and tries again and again to read the correct data... but in the end, it gives up and says "sorry, i just can't read this disc"
[08:12] <cheeseboy> why i need ip of my own pc?
[08:12] <mervteck> can someone help me get my sound to work. and i already did what ~!sound said
[08:12] <txwikinger> oh.. I thought you mean different machine
[08:12] <LjL> PupenoR: google says that it also might be due to the cd-rom not having been burned in disc-at-once mode, which results in some drives misreading it (i'm getting this from http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/burn_iso_images.html )
[08:13] <txwikinger> DO you mean you have 2 video adapters?
[08:13] <PupenoR> LjL: thanks.
[08:13] <cheeseboy> i have one videocard with svideo and monitor port
[08:13] <cheeseboy> i want to start an app on my tv
[08:14] <txwikinger> can you run both simultaneously?
[08:14] <txwikinger> then you have to run two x-servers on each video port one
[08:14] <cheeseboy> um i have twinview setup
[08:14] <txwikinger> ok.. then one is :0 and the other :1
[08:15] <Mena> Hi
[08:15] <txwikinger> you can use display with 127.0.0.1:0 or 127.0.0.1:1
[08:15] <cheeseboy> do iput app name before or after it?
[08:15] <Mena> intelikey, if i add the utf8 to the end of the line that okay? like this /dev/hda3 /media/hda3 vfat uid=1000,gid=1000,auto,fmask=133,dmask=022,utf8 0 0
[08:15] <txwikinger> before it if you use -display as argument
[08:16] <txwikinger> or you set and export the variable DISPLAY=....
[08:16] <txwikinger> then you can just start the app
[08:16] <Mena> intelikey, to enable utf8 support
[08:16] <Mena> intelikey, are you here at first :D
[08:17] <Mena> he is not
[08:17] <Mena> any one else
[08:17] <cheeseboy> cannot connect to X server 127.0.0.1:1
[08:17] <txwikinger> hmm.. you might have to allow to listen to ip in the configuration
[08:17] <jhutchins> Mena: Try it.
[08:18] <cheeseboy> how?
[08:18] <txwikinger> it is in the kdm config file
[08:18] <mervteck> yayyyy got my sound to work!
[08:18] <cheeseboy> wheres that?
[08:18] <Mena> jhutchins, its working but i am asking to keep sure
[08:18] <txwikinger> one moment have to look
[08:18] <jhutchins> txwikinger: I think you can omit the ip address.
[08:18] <mcquaid> i remember this being fairly easy but can't figure it out.  the icons beside the kde menu, i'd like them stacked as two rows
[08:18] <Mena> jhutchins, can i do this with ext3
[08:18] <mcquaid> can't seem to find where to do that
[08:19] <txwikinger> true.. try just :1
[08:19] <mcquaid> is that still possible?
[08:20] <cheeseboy> mythtv -display:1?
[08:20] <txwikinger>  mythtv -display :1
[08:21] <cheeseboy> mythtv: cannot connect to X server :1
[08:21] <Mena> jhutchins, ??
[08:21] <beatlebee> Hi, my soundcard isn't working. I can play music in mplayer amarok with no errors, aumix -q returns a 65% volume, and I get no sound out of my built in speakers or headset jack. Any suggestions?
[08:21] <txwikinger> do you have a second X server running?
[08:21] <cheeseboy> do i have to setup another xserver?
[08:21] <beta> !vmware
[08:21] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[08:21] <txwikinger> look with ps -edf if there is one on :1
[08:22] <Mena> !utf8
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about utf8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <Mena> !UTF8
[08:22] <cheeseboy> i don't think there is one
[08:22] <mervteck> hey guys ive got a second HD connected to the same IDE as my CD drive is on, how to i get linux to show it?
[08:22] <Orange1> UTF-3
[08:24] <cadkins> mervteck : if you run fstab does it show the drive there?  Just run it and see if it's there?  Should be able to see the size of the drive.
[08:24] <cadkins> after that, just have to mount it
[08:24] <jhutchins> mervteck: What filesystem?
[08:24] <jhutchins> cadkins: run fstab?
[08:24] <cheeseboy> 1000      4607     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:02 xfdesktop --display :0.0 --sm-cl
[08:24] <cheeseboy> 1000      4613     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:06 xfce4-panel --display :0.0 --sm-
[08:24] <cheeseboy>  only see some stuff on display 0
[08:24] <mervteck> ntfs
[08:24] <mervteck> and 1 sec
[08:25] <john__> Does anyone here use k9Copy?
[08:25] <jhutchins> !ntfs | mervteck
[08:25] <ubotu> mervteck: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:25] <mervteck> yesh its my windows drive ive got a bunch of crap like movies on
[08:25] <mervteck> i just wanna access it like i used to when it was on the same ide as the first HD
[08:26] <jhutchins> mervteck: So what's stopping you?
[08:26] <mervteck> its just not showing up now im guessing because its on my cd IDE
[08:27] <mervteck> (had to be done sadly)
[08:27] <john__> !k9copy
[08:27] <ubotu> A good alternative to running DVDShrink with wine is k9copy; for Dapper it's available in Universe, and for Breezy it's available at this repository: deb http://repos.knio.it/ breezy main contrib non-free
[08:29] <jba> ciao a tutti
[08:29] <john__> !snack
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <jba> NESSUNO SA COME METTERE KDE4 E CONTINUARE A TENERE ANCHE KDE3.5
[08:29] <jba> ??
[08:29] <john__> !kubuntu
[08:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:30] <txwikinger> cheeseboy: you need to configure and start an x-server on :1 ... I have no experience in doing that
[08:30] <txwikinger> on a twin-setup
[08:31] <jhutchins> mervteck: Not showing up where?
[08:32] <Ragga> weeeeeeeeeeeeeenas
[08:33] <Mena> Why ext3 file system dont use or enable utf8 support ???
[08:33] <cheeseboy> THE FORUMS ARE DOWN !?
[08:33] <cheeseboy> :(
[08:36] <soon> A general network question: I have a Zyxel router connected to my adsl splitter - the router only has one LAN port. I've connected a second router (Linksys) to the Zyxel because it has 4 ports and wifi ... the Linksys, should it be set up as Gateway, Router, Access point or something else???
[08:36] <jhutchins> Mena: Looks like the correct format may be locale=en_US.utf8
[08:37] <jhutchins> soon: Why not just connect the linksys to the net?
[08:38] <soon> because the zyxel has the phone port for my IP-telephony and the Linksys doesnt
[08:38] <varco> noobs
[08:38] <Mena> jhutchins, you mean utf8 support just the us encode or i add this or i dont get it ? :)
[08:39] <jhutchins> Mena: I have no idea about utf or support for it, but that's the format I see when I google utf8 ext3.
[08:39] <cvk77> where is the right place to enable ls' colour support? i expected some commented lines in /etc/bash.bashrc but couldn't find any.
[08:40] <Mena> jhutchins, ohhhhhhh ok
[08:40] <jhutchins> Mena: You should check the documentation for the correct format to use.
[08:40] <Mena> jhutchins, ok
[08:41] <jhutchins> Mena: I also see iocharset=utf8
[08:41] <beta> !ape
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ape - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <LeeJunFan> I take it MSN messenger is having problems today? or did they just change the protocol so kopete wouldn't work with it?
[08:41] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, kmail seems pretty cool , had a some difficulty linking the executeable file to the desktop , but i eventually found the "right path" and now it's in business :)
[08:42] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Great, hope it works out for you.
[08:42] <BluesKaj> seems fine :)
[08:46] <Mena> jhutchins, ok
[08:48] <beta> !java
[08:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:48] <_roland> anyone know why copying text from internet into text editor take hours and konqueror freezes when i try to copy large text and also konqueror takes very long to load and show the filemanager?
[08:49] <_roland> its only a bit faster than the resource hog called vista
[08:50] <Mena> jhutchins, i searched the decomnation and found nothing
[08:51] <Mena> !!!!
[08:51] <Mena> heheh :)
[08:52] <Mena> jhutchins, Thanks for helpping me
[08:53] <Mena> jhutchins, Bye...With GOD BLess BLESS
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> _roland: you have to be careful selecting text from pages that contain graphics.
[08:53] <_roland> the pages i select text(large quantities of text) from contain no graphics at all, just the plain text
[08:53] <LeeJunFan> _roland: not sure why it would be slow. Konq is plenty quick here.
[08:53] <_roland> i have 1.8ghz p4 and 512 ram and kde feels slow
[08:54] <_roland> main problem would be konqueror and klipper
[08:54] <LeeJunFan> _roland: perhaps I haven't noticed is all. My copy/paste is generally quite small content.
[08:54] <_roland> hmm dam
[08:54] <carutsu> hello, something happened while i tried to install the java vm
[08:55] <carutsu> it didnt install it, and now i cant run adept nor apt-get
[08:55] <carutsu> it crashed somehow
[08:55] <alfadr0> Bonsoir
[08:55] <carutsu> what should i do
[08:55] <_roland> and what can i do that when i add a user he can do sudo ?
[08:55] <fizzzico> bonsoir !!
[08:55] <fizzzico> jsuis perdu :s
[08:55] <alfadr0> Comment allez-vous ?
[08:56] <LeeJunFan> _roland: add them to the admin group
[08:56] <alfadr0> Moi aussi XD
[08:56] <_roland> ok hanks
[08:56] <fizzzico> on est o l? =D
[08:56] <fizzzico> premiere fois que je lance Konversation
[08:56] <carutsu> !kubuntu-fr
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-fr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <carutsu> !fr
[08:56] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:56] <BluesKaj> !fr | fizzzico, alfadr0
[08:56] <LeeJunFan> _roland: sudo gpasswd -a [username]  groupname
[08:56] <ubotu> fizzzico, alfadr0: please see above
[08:57] <fizzzico> ok thx
[08:57] <carutsu> something happened while i tried to install the java vm, it didnt install it, and now i cant run adept nor apt-get
[08:57] <luca> i think you can kill adept's process..
[08:58] <LeeJunFan> !adept-fix
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <luca> then you launch dpkg --reconfigure -a
[08:58] <fizzzico> automatic connexion on #kubuntu when fisrt  launching this IRC client soft via ubuntu?
[08:58] <ubuntu> hay all having some issues with my kubuntu and running off a live cd at the moment.. is there a option i can put in grub to give me a console based login
[08:59] <carutsu> LeeJunFan, what should i do?
[08:59] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: I think fizzzico is right on that.
[09:00] <alfadr0> I need Help
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> argh, it's one word. hehe
[09:00] <carutsu> fizzzico?
[09:00] <LeeJunFan> !adeptfix | carutsu
[09:00] <ubotu> carutsu: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:01] <tuxligo> #kubuntu-es for the people of latinamerica and people talk spanish
[09:01] <alfadr0> WHo can help me ?
[09:01] <Mariano> Hey guys I installed kubuntu on one of my partitions, but now kubuntu loads up as default. My windows partition is not showing up on start up.
[09:01] <Mariano> can someone help me
[09:01] <carutsu> it worked
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> !ask
[09:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:01] <tuxligo> #kubuntu-es para personas que hablan espaol
[09:01] <mobileloser> who can help me to install vlc player ? ve problems
[09:01] <carutsu> shouldny there be something like apt-get --fix or something?
[09:01] <Skuller> Mariano: did you install windows after kubuntu?
[09:01] <Mariano> nope
[09:02] <Mariano> I did windows, and then kubuntu
[09:02] <Skuller> markus: grub should have been installed and showed you the menu to select the OS's
[09:02] <Skuller> sorry
[09:02] <Skuller> Mariano: grub should have been installed and showed you the menu to select the OS's
[09:02] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: nope, just those commands ubuntu said.
[09:02] <Mariano> it says grub starting and it just goes into kubuntu
[09:03] <carutsu> LeeJunFan, well thank you, however what i'm saying it _should_
[09:03] <Mariano> is there a way that I can manage grub through a gui
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> carutsu: you still can't use apt-get?
[09:03] <_roland> my other user has a different looking kde panel than mine (more polished,more sharp looking).. why is mine not changed ?
[09:03] <_roland> i did a upgrade to 3.5.6
[09:03] <Skuller> Mariano: hmm well i guess you might ave to reinstall GRUB....i dont know how to do that or you may need to install kubuntu again...please ask someone else for help
[09:03] <carutsu> LeeJunFan yes i can now
[09:03] <Skuller> !grub
[09:03] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:03] <carutsu> thank you, just a though
[09:03] <Mariano> ok
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> grub-install hd0
[09:03] <Mariano> !grub
[09:04] <Mariano> ok
[09:04] <mcquaid> i installed kde-core and adding packages as i go.  i don't have the mixer. the only one i see in synaptic is tkmixer
[09:04] <mcquaid> isn't tkmixer the really old one?  Thought there was another one that has become the standard for kde
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mcquaid: no, that's still standard
[09:04] <Skuller> mcquaid: alsamixer?
[09:05] <dracou> does anyone knows where do I find wifi settings on fluxbuntu ?
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> kmix is it's own package, so if you don't end up with it just install kmix
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: can you elaborate on your problem installing vlc?
[09:06] <mcquaid> LeeJunFan: ok thx
[09:06] <_roland> daamn... my user management in system settings just got unusable after clicking administrator mode.. so many things dont work..
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> _roland: easy way to add someone to a group is gpasswd, sudo gpasswd -a [user]  [group] 
[09:07] <mobileloser> yes. i use kde
[09:07] <zorglu_> q. im installing lighttpd 1.5.0 from source, and i remember there is a page not to crash the whole .deb system when installing stuff from source. anybody remember what it is ?
[09:07] <mcquaid> whats a mail notification app for kde? pref one taht supports gmail
[09:07] <mobileloser> try to add the dapper reposity listed on videolan.org...
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: how are you trying to install it? if you run 'sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:07] <_roland> LeeJunFan: but why would user management panel in settings hang ?
[09:07] <zorglu_> !source
[09:07] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> _roland: beats me - I never use them :)
[09:08] <zorglu_> doesnt seems to be it :)
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> _roland: hrm, just tried mine and got an error that the module couldn't be loaded.
[09:09] <_roland> even more nice...
[09:09] <mobileloser> yes that way.. but responsible packages missing..
[09:09] <_roland> damn
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> _roland: just a sec.
[09:09] <sohan> hello, what command for going to kubuntu french canal ? ( sorry for my very bad english )
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> _roland: okay - try this: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> _roland: then try to use the user manager again.
[09:10] <_roland> ok
[09:10] <LeeJunFan> Anyone know why it is that kde-guidance needs to be re-installed so often? It seems to get hosed during KDE updates.
[09:10] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  want to add the dapper url from videolan.org but apt get cannot load all files
[09:10] <Orange1> does kubuntu have a character map?
[09:12] <_roland> ah and one more thing.. after the upgrade the user 'angela' has a different looking(more sharp,more polished and shiny) default kde panel( i guess kicker is the name.. ) why ?
[09:12] <mcquaid> hmm, i installed tkmixer but it doesn't show up as an applet, uh how do i actually add it to the panel?
[09:12] <_roland> than my panel
[09:12] <alfadr0> Can you give me URL for Drivers for Sound Baster for Kubuntu please ?
[09:12] <Skuller> !thx
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: ah, it's probably a problem with that repository. :( What's wrong with the standard vlc included in dappers repos?
[09:13] <sohan> Hello ... I speak very bad english, Kubuntu is ???
[09:13] <LjL> alfadr0, the SB drivers are *included* in a default Ubuntu (just like most common drivers). at worst, you have to set things up. usually, they get set up automatically. if you have an old ISA card, that migth not happen
[09:13] <alfadr0> Tues franais ?
[09:13] <mobileloser> leejunfun dont know what u mean
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> _roland: angela probably hadn't customized her settings, you probably did, so when you upgrade it changes the default settings, but if your settings aren't default it likely didn't mess with them.
[09:13] <sohan> oui ...
[09:13] <Skuller> !fr
[09:13] <LjL> !fr
[09:13] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:13] <alfadr0> Thank's LJL
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: you shouldn't need to download anything from videolan, vlc is included in ubuntu official repositories.
[09:13] <sohan> Thanks !
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> !info vlc
[09:13] <alfadr0> Sohan t'as deux serveurs FR l
[09:13] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[09:13] <mobileloser> whitout including the new  url it dont work
[09:13] <mobileloser> hmmm
[09:14] <sohan> #kubuntu-fr
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: did you enable your universe repositories?
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> !repositories
[09:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <LjL> sohan:  c'est  /join #kubuntu-fr 
[09:14] <Skuller> sohan: click on it
[09:15] <_roland> LeeJunFan: my kicker is the default one without any changes and didnt get that nice look after the upgrade
[09:15] <_roland> its still ugly and flat
[09:15] <_roland> and grey
[09:15] <Skuller> hey guys..can anyone tell me how do i check the internet connection settings?...like my username that i have put in pppoeconf
[09:17] <payam> I dont know Skuller
[09:17] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  heya i enable all universe listings in the Adept
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: and you did update?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: after doing update so it goes and looks to see what packages are available in those repos you just enabled - then you can search for vlc and should be able to install it from there.
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> _roland: you could log out of kde, switch to vt1 <ctrl><alt>F1, login as your user, rm -f ./kde/share/config/kickerrc, then ctrl-alt-F7, login to KDE again and it should use system defaults.
[09:19] <mobileloser> jeehaa that dont work in the adept
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: what doesn't work?
[09:20] <mobileloser> mom
[09:22] <frojnd> hello
[09:22] <frojnd> I have really bad time with skype
[09:22] <frojnd> I can only call another pesrson for the very first time I started skype
[09:22] <frojnd> if I wanna call 2nd time computer freezes..
[09:23] <frojnd> has anyone else have such or simmilar problem?
[09:23] <payam> I try to download a torrent file  whit Ktorrent but its very slow
[09:23] <payam> Why?
[09:23] <LjL> payam: because it's not well seeded?
[09:24] <payam> what?
[09:24] <payam> I dont know
[09:25] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  when i mark it at to install... the font is red an ther is destroy(install)
[09:26] <mobileloser> ger transaalted to eng :D sry..
[09:26] <tempsanity> hi guys, how do i add / delete apps from KDE autostart?
[09:26] <LjL> payam, why do you expect the download to be fast?
[09:26] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: sounds like it's already installed then.
[09:26] <mobileloser> hmm
[09:26] <bxnp> tempsanity: go to kcontrol
[09:26] <tempsanity> bxnp: thanks
[09:26] <mobileloser> how to test?
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: can you open a konsole and type vlc and see if it starts?
[09:27] <mobileloser> whereis vlc return nothing
[09:27] <mobileloser> cmd not found
[09:27] <Blissex> tempsanity: add/remove files/symlinks from the Autostart directory in the KDE directory
[09:27] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: what about 'sudo apt-get install vlc'
[09:27] <payam> i could download 600 mB on 90 minuts
[09:27] <payam> but now 6 H
[09:28] <payam> shit
[09:28] <Blissex> tempsanity: 'kcontrol' allows you to control stuff (re)started by the session manager
[09:28] <LjL> payam: on the *same* file?
[09:28] <payam> No
[09:28] <payam> Iso ile in a torrent file
[09:28] <LjL> payam, then that doesn't mean anything. some files are simply more shared than others.
[09:28] <payam> you know what i mean
[09:28] <LjL> you can't expect all torrents to download as fast
[09:28] <payam> okok
[09:28] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  Konnte Lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:28] <bxnp> cant find it btw in kcontrol tempsanity
[09:29] <tempsanity> Blissex: I can't find that dir o_O
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: close adept first :)
[09:29] <mobileloser> it is closed
[09:29] <LjL> 600MB in 6 hours is something like 30kilobytes per second. it's bad, but it's a very likely speed for many files.
[09:29] <Blissex> tempsanity: '~/.kde/Autostart/' usually
[09:30] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  understand german? :D
[09:30] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  Nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten. Versuchen Sie apt-get -f install ohne jeglich Pakete (oder geben Sie eine Lsung an)
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> session manager and Autostart are different, session manager tries to remember what was running when kde was shut down, Autostart is a dir found in ~/.kde/Autostart that will launch any program in that dir on KDE startup.
[09:30] <tempsanity> Blissex: thanks I made a typo so I didn't find it lol, thanks
[09:30] <frojnd> how can I reinstsall package?
[09:30] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: afraid not, is that saying it's not found?
[09:30] <LjL> LeeJunFan: it's the "something went wrong, please run apt-get -f install without arguments or find a solution"
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> LjL: thanks.
[09:31] <mobileloser> there are connections between the packages
[09:31] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan: but cannot install the other
[09:31] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: see what LjL said? run sudo apt-get -f install
[09:32] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: you may have to uninstall any portions of vlc that were installed by that other repository you downloaded from first.
[09:32] <pakizip> ciao a tutti
[09:32] <LjL> !it
[09:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:32] <pakizip> ah ok thanks
[09:32] <pakizip> ;)
[09:33] <pakizip> hello!
[09:33] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan: it worked well but now sudo apt-get install vlc  is talking about broken packages
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:34] <frojnd> ok.. I have some drivers for my nvida installed..
[09:34] <frojnd> how can I uodate them
[09:34] <DisabledDuck> what is the default mailing client in kubuntu?
[09:34] <frojnd> update*
[09:34] <frojnd> DisabledDuck: kmail
[09:34] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  nothing changed
[09:35] <DisabledDuck> frojnd: is it better than Thunderbird
[09:35] <DisabledDuck> ?
[09:35] <beta> how do i play monkey audio (.ape)?
[09:35] <frojnd> DisabledDuck: don't know I only use kmail..
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: did you remove libvlc?
[09:35] <mobileloser> nope
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: dpkg -l | grep vlc     will show you any vlc named packages installed currently.
[09:35] <mobileloser> but it is missing
[09:35] <cvk77> anybody know how to enable Ctrl-Alt-KP+ resolution change?
[09:35] <roland_> why do i get at random times messages like Conversation with su failed when i need to use a 'sudo' app
[09:35] <roland_> in kde
[09:36] <roland_> sometimes it works, other times it doesnt
[09:36] <frojnd> cvk77: what is "-KP"
[09:36] <mobileloser> show nothing LeeJunFan
[09:36] <cvk77> frojnd: KeyPad :)
[09:36] <frojnd> cvk77: ok :>
[09:37] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: hrm, try sudo apt-get -f install    again
[09:37] <Orange1> recursive vs iteral -- anyone ?
[09:38] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  i download vlc_0.8.6a-jb-videolan-1.tar.gz can i use that?
[09:38] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  sudo apt-get -f install change nothing...
[09:38] <mobileloser> packages are broken
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: compiling vlc is no small feat, it depends on a lot of other things to handle video/audio.
[09:39] <mobileloser> ah ok
[09:39] <mobileloser> so its nothing to do ? with my non existing experiences :?
[09:39] <LjL> cvk77: it's not disabled, it's just broken in Edgy
[09:39] <mobileloser> i only want to look a xvid avi... but nothing worked :/
[09:39] <roland_> also Empty Trash doesnt work when there is something in trash ..
[09:40] <LjL> cvk77: you can work around it (by assigning ctrl+alt+plus and minus some actions, namely call a resulution-changer program), but it won't really be the same thing
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: just a sec.
[09:40] <bxnp> guys where is the package saved for flash installation
[09:40] <LjL> cvk77: https://launchpad.net/bugs/64926 for more information
[09:40] <bxnp> the deb installed it but dunno where
[09:40] <mobileloser> LeeJunFan:  ok thx me is waiting
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: hrm, no deal. I thought maybe there were vlc packages in medibuntu, but there aren't. I've used vlc in dapper many times, I don't know why you'd be having issues.
[09:43] <cvk77> LjL: ah.. ok that explains it. thanks
[09:43] <mobileloser> ok thx... thus a journey for a weekedn
[09:43] <LeeJunFan> mobileloser: maybe you'd have better luck with another german speaker who can make more sense of your error message.
[09:43] <mobileloser> any german chan in this network?
[09:44] <LjL> !de
[09:44] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:44] <mobileloser> thx
[09:46] <kyuuketsuki> my friend has a problem with installing kubuntu
[09:46] <bxnp> and what is the problem kyuuketsuki
[09:46] <cvk77> LjL: do u think this could be resolved by compiling xorg from source?
[09:46] <kyuuketsuki> he gets a blank screen, when we try to do http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1759586&postcount=16 it dies before we can put in the commands
[09:48] <kyuuketsuki> anyone have any ideas?
[09:49] <LjL> cvk77: maybe, i don't really know. perhaps by compiling it without -fstackprotector... but then do you really want to go through something as hellish as compiling xorg, with no guarantees of a positive outcome? =)
[09:50] <firecrotch> I have 2 superkaramba themes on my desktop, and they're both reporting different values for RAM usage
[09:50] <firecrotch> How can I find out which one (if either!) is right?
[09:52] <DisabledDuck> ok, for some reason, whenever i try to install something using adept, it always tells me there was a problem commiting changes
[09:53] <cvk77> LjL: hey, i used gentoo for 5 years. i don't fear hell ;)
[09:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm looking for a beryl-based live cd to demo for a class
[09:54] <Daisuke_Ido> looking into sabayon - it claims to work on *most* graphics cards
[09:56] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: beryl 0.2.0 was just released, it's quite an upgrade from the older version.
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> LeeJunFan: oh, i know, i'm running it on my desktop machine here, but bringing that in isn't a feasible option
[09:57] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm just talking about a live cd with beryl
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: unless you make an image on a USB flash drive with kubuntu :)
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> maybe more work than it's worth though.
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> I wish I could get dri to work on the lame gfx cards on the library workstations. All those people getting a dose of beryl who haven't seen anything but windows :)
[10:00] <darkserver3_> hey.,... where I can find a the source of the sysctl
[10:00] <mzanfardino> I have an AVI file I'd like to burn to a CD so that I can play it on my DVD player at home.  What application can I use to do this?
[10:01] <Daisuke_Ido> LeeJunFan: that's my issue, it says "most" but what's "most" mean...  i don't think it's any more specific than that
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> Daisuke_Ido: probably means nvidia, ATI, and Intel - because they comprize most of what's out there.
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> mzanfardino: kmediacenter I think.
[10:03] <Cypherix> I wanted to ask a question if possible to the admins, I want to mirror Kubuntu on my servers, I have unlimited bandwidth and a 100Mbit line, who should I contact?
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> !infi kmediafactory | mzanfardino
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> !info kmediafactory | mzanfardino
[10:03] <ubotu> mzanfardino: kmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> avidemux might too
[10:04] <firecrotch> Odd problem: On my K Menu, nothing on the System menu is highlighted when my mouse is on it.  Works on every other part of the menu
[10:04] <firecrotch> But I can click them
[10:04] <Cypherix> Any one?
[10:05] <mzanfardino> I'm looking at k3v, but it won't let me burn the AVI, only mpeg1 or mpeg 2.  However, there is an emovix option.  What is emovix?
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: ask in #launchpad
[10:05] <Cypherix> alright, thank you.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: hope you have unlimited HD space too :)
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> Cypherix: I keep mirrors of newest stable, and devel versions for i386, not even src packages, and I think feisty binary i386 is 16G
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> owell, gotta run - later.
[10:07] <Cypherix> LeeJunFan, I have just under 950GB online, but I can always add more harddrives to my server :)
[10:08] <yaccin> how can i enable the scroll-wheel of my wacom-tablet?
[10:10] <ar> nice evening, ive got some API Missmatch XModules / Kernel - different versions. Perhaps someone knows a way to fix it.
[10:11] <bonbonthejon> !bcm43xx
[10:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:12] <Daskreech> How do I find out which Konqui window coressponds to a particualr PID ?
[10:13] <yaccin> !wacom
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <Daskreech> I have a konqueror process taking up 20% of my CPU and I want to find out what it's doing
[10:15] <mzanfardino> ok, how about this: what can I use to convert an AVI to an MPEG1 or MPEG2 file format?
[10:15] <Bauldrick> Can someone please explain how to get dvd's to play - I have installed libdvdcss2 w32codecs etc... But all I get is the sound of the movie and a blue screen?
[10:15] <Daskreech> !find avi2
[10:15] <ubotu> Package/file avi2 does not exist in edgy
[10:16] <pynsa> hola
[10:16] <pynsa> how can i generate a 1gb file (with dummy data, the only thing that matters is the size) very fast?
[10:16] <miltos> anyone with a crypto mpeg card  with kubuntu?
[10:18] <mzanfardino> !avi
[10:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:18] <Daskreech> mzanfardino: Whats up with your AVI?
[10:19] <CryoTox> I'm trying to run syslinux and I get the error:
[10:19] <CryoTox> sh: mcopy: command not found
[10:19] <CryoTox> syslinux: failed to create ldlinux.sys
[10:19] <Bauldrick> LOL - cheers I've read and done these pages for the last 24hrs
[10:19] <CryoTox> Any way I can fix this?
[10:20] <LjL> pynsa: dd if=/dev/zero of=filename bs=1024 count=1M
[10:20] <pynsa> thx LjL :)
[10:20] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I have an AVI file that I'd like to burn to a CD for the purposes of playing back in my DVD player.  I had thought I could use k3b to create a video CD (which I can) but I need to have an MPEG1 or MPEG2 file, not AVI.  So I wanted to convert the AVI to MPEG1 or MPEG2 and then burn it.
[10:21] <Daskreech> ah. Hmm
[10:21] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I installed kmediafactory, but this utility appears to be specific to burning DVD's.
[10:22] <mzanfardino> Daskreech: I can import the AVI file, but kmediafactory says the resulting DVD will be 4+GB, which might be right (the source is 500+mb) if it's converted, I don't know.  But I thought I'd convert the file myself and see what I end up with.
[10:22] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, you can convert fairly easily
[10:22] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: go on! :)
[10:23] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, transcode, and mplex
[10:23] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: I was looking at transcode, but the man file made it seem to require some complex definitions concerning the source and destination files.
[10:24] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: and apt-cache search mplex returns no actual mplex app...
[10:24] <miltos> anyone with a Crypto TV mpeg card  with kubuntu?
[10:24] <mzanfardino> miltos !ask
[10:25] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, yes it is rather complex... this site does a decent job at explaining... : http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/AVI_to_DVD
[10:25] <Dasnipa`> mzanfardino, the step before dvd is having it in mpeg
[10:26] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...
[10:26] <PupenoR> How do I see the speeds of the network cards of a computer?
[10:27] <Lam_> how do i reset/restart the OSS sound driver?
[10:27] <mzanfardino> Dasnipa`: ok, I'm reading it now (thank you for the link).  let me play with the conversion and see what I get.
[10:29] <timster> How can i tell KDE Wallet to automaticly open, because it asks me for my password everytime I use kopete and tis annoyin
[10:29] <mzanfardino> timster: good question, I find the same thing...
[10:30] <PupenoR> timster: set an empty password.
[10:30] <timster> !multiverse
[10:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:30] <beta> !mac
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...anyone with this TV card that make it work?
[10:31] <beta> how do i launch java .jar files?
[10:32] <jermain> hi everyone
[10:32] <jermain> i have a question:
[10:33] <Dasnipa`> beta, java -jar <file>
[10:33] <timster> Could someone tell me which repositories VirtualBoyAdvanced is in?
[10:33] <jermain> i want to list all my MP3's recursively so i wrote
[10:33] <jermain> ls -R | grep *.mp3 | less
[10:33] <jermain> but it only lists the mp3 in the current file
[10:34] <jermain> *directory
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> you could use find *.mp3
[10:34] <LjL> "grep *.mp3" is wrong
[10:34] <LjL> grep expects a regular expression, not a shell pattern
[10:34] <Fizzbane> Hello i have amarok with a soundblaster audigy SE with logictech 7.1 speakers. How do i set up my surround sound through my sound card?
[10:34] <jermain> :o
[10:34] <LjL> Dasnipa`: that won't work either
[10:34] <LjL> it's   find -name "*.mp3"
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> ah yeah -name
[10:34] <Dasnipa`> right
[10:34] <LjL> or find | grep -i mp3 if you like
[10:35] <jermain> ahh thank you!
[10:35] <tara> wow, wtf do people do in here with all the quits 'n joins
[10:36] <mzanfardino> tara: filter them out
[10:36] <timster> Which Repo is VirtualBoyAdvanced in?
[10:36] <timster> And can I get that reppo on 6.06
[10:37] <LjL> !visualboyadvance
[10:37] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-6 (edgy), package size 581 kB, installed size 2260 kB
[10:38] <timster> edgy? So no Dapper support
[10:38] <LjL> !visualboyadvance dapper
[10:38] <ubotu> visualboyadvance: a full featured Game Boy Advance emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.2-4build1 (dapper), package size 793 kB, installed size 2684 kB
[10:38] <timster> !component-universe
[10:39] <LjL> !universe
[10:39] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:39] <beta> Dasnipa: thx
[10:39] <mzanfardino> how do I boost the priority (not sure if this is the right terminology, stealing from windows (gasp)) of a specific task?
[10:40] <LjL> mzanfardino: "man renice"
[10:40] <jermain> Skuller: lets as LjL which he prefers
[10:40] <jermain> i bet its cookies
[10:40] <LjL> mzanfardino: and use "nice" to *start* a program with a given priority
[10:40] <timster> Is component Universe the same as Universe
[10:41] <LjL> not the same as "Universe" as in "the thing stars and planets reside in", no
[10:41] <Skuller> jermain: lol...ok u got me there....
[10:41] <timster> Dw I got it
[10:41] <jermain> :)
[10:41] <Skuller> k m off guys..catchya l8r
[10:41] <jermain> bye skuller
[10:41] <Skuller> bye man
[10:42] <jermain> nothing beats home made cookies. NOTHING!
[10:42] <jermain> afk
[10:42] <timster> Is visualboyadvanced not gui then?
[10:43] <miltos> i can't make my Crypto TV mpeg card to work under Kubuntu...anyone with this TV card that make it work?
[10:43] <Fizzbane> should i use this guide to get my soundblaster SE to work on my edgy kubuntu even though its for breezy? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToConfigureSoundBlasterAudigySEinBreezy
[10:43] <mzanfardino> LjL: reading the man I'm hung up on the last paragraph concerning whether or not increasing or decreasing the priority wil speed up the application.  If I increase the priority, the process should take more cpu and thus complete more quickly, yes?
[10:43] <timster> What app searches for new programs again?
[10:43] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Should work.
[10:43] <LjL> mzanfardino, using a *low* number means giving the program a *higher* priority, which in turn means it will use *more* CPU time
[10:44] <mzanfardino> LjL: thanks.  That's what I was getting confused on.
[10:44] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Just keep track of what you do in case you want to un-do it.  If you find anything that needs to be updated, submit it.
[10:44] <Fizzbane> k thanks mate
[10:44] <LjL> mzanfardino: never give a program a value lower than 0 unless you really know what you're doing, otherwise you could end up with a locked up system
[10:44] <Fizzbane> k i will do
[10:44] <LjL> mzanfardino: (that's because if you give a CPU-hungry program too much CPU time, it'll starve the other programs)
[10:45] <Fizzbane> I can get sound through my card but i want surround sound for my 5.1 speakers
[10:46] <mzanfardino> LjL: ok. now, how do I see the current priority for a specific task?  is there a ps parameter?  (I've been using ps aux | grep taskname to find the pid...
[10:47] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Hm.  What version of alsa do you have now?
[10:47] <mzanfardino> I suppose I could use top and look for my task.
[10:48] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: i have no idea
[10:48] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: dpkg -l alsa*
[10:49] <Fizzbane> no star though
[10:49] <Fizzbane> ummm
[10:50] <LjL> mzanfardino: hm, ps aux shows if a program has been reniced (there's a N somewhere), not sure if it shows the priority
[10:50] <beta> question: why do you hvae to compile a source if you dont give any parmeters anyway...just ./configure, make, sudo make install ?
[10:50] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: i have alsa-base 1.0.11-5, alsa-utils 1.0.11-6
[10:51] <jhutchins> Ok, if you look at that guid, you'll see that it's telling you how to build 1.0.11-5 or later - which you already have.
[10:51] <LjL> mzanfardino: anyway, all user-started processes normally get a priority of 0, while some system processes may get a negative number by default
[10:51] <mzanfardino> how do I determine what ports I have open/closed?
[10:52] <LjL> mzanfardino: install "nmap" and do "nmap localhost"
[10:52] <Fizzbane> i dont have alsa though
[10:52] <mzanfardino> LjL: I just used top to see the priority, thanks
[10:52] <LjL> mzanfardino: or just do "netstat -l"
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Which model card do you have?
[10:52] <Fizzbane> soundblaster SE
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: alsa's just a container.
[10:52] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Which model?
[10:52] <Fizzbane> umm hold on
[10:53] <LjL> mzanfardino: also keep in mind that any user can renice a process to a *higher* value (i.e. lower priority), but only root can make it a *lower* value (higher priority)
[10:53] <LjL> mzanfardino: so once you renice a process to - say - 10, only root can put it back to 0
[10:54] <Fizzbane> soundblaster SE 7.1
[10:55] <Bauldrick> Can't play DVD's - what is going on?!!!!!!!!?
[10:55] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, I read that in the man under bugs... :)
[10:56] <LjL> hm, it's called a bug?
[10:56] <LjL> i *honestly* always thought of it as a feature
[10:56] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show?
[10:56] <jermain> im going too, thanx again for the help i got here!
[10:56] <mzanfardino> LjL: I reniced my transcode process to -10 hoping to see a little faster fps... but alas no difference... :P
[10:57] <LjL> mzanfardino, if you have no other CPU-hungry processes running besides transcode, it's unlikely to make much of a difference. i mean - the only difference it might make is that the rest of your system becomes unusably sluggish
[10:57] <timster> I found a windows virus in a torrent file
[10:57] <Fizzbane> Audigy SE [SB0570]  at 0xa000 irq 66
[10:57] <timster> Ill keep it for someone
[10:57] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, in the BUGS it states that users can't decrease the priority even on processes they themself increased.
[10:58] <LjL> mzanfardino: renice is really useful when you have one CPU-hungry process, and you don't want it to make the rest of the system sluggish, so you renice it
[10:58] <LjL> mzanfardino: well yes, that is true, i suppose it might be considered a bug... but it's one that's unlikely to even be "fixed", i think :)
[10:58] <mzanfardino> LjL: yeah, I think I might have been thinking that it would somehow dedicate more CPU to the task, which I suppose it will, but only relative to other tasks using CPU ticks... I'm at my maximum return on CPU ticks evidently.
[10:59] <mzanfardino> LjL: I agree, I don't think you want the user to be able to set priorities that would otherwise hose a system.  I don't think it should be listed as a bug either.  It'd be too easy to clober a functional system that way.
[10:59] <LjL> mzanfardino, you certainly have other tasks using the CPU as well, but none of them will come even *close* to the amount that transcode is using. so no practical difference. also, the system *must* still give the other processes at least *some* CPU, otherwise the whole system would just freeze
[11:00] <LjL> mzanfardino: well, if the user had reniced the process to begin with, it probably makes sense for him to be able to renice it back. but i think that's not the case in just about any Unix on earth
[11:00] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: Audigy SE [SB0570]  at 0xa000 irq 66
[11:01] <mzanfardino> LjL: well, yes, of course the CPU is being shared among all open processes, that goes without question.  It's clear though that the majority of processes aren't taking a significant amount of process cycles to impede transcode, so as to be negligible (the deltax is insignificant at this point)...
[11:02] <Daskreech> How do I find out which Konqui window coressponds to a particualr PID ?
[11:02] <LjL> mzanfardino: precisely
[11:02] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: So this thing's supposed to have 8 output channels, right?  6+1+1?
[11:03] <mzanfardino> LjL: man states there is some disagreement between linux libc and linux kernel as to what the specifics of the systemcall interface should be set to...
[11:03] <yacoob> Hi. How do I add a new chart to ksysguard on the panel?
[11:03] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: if you mean plugs then it has 4
[11:03] <LjL> mzanfardino: so, disagreements between Torvalds and Stallman. nothing new under the sun, is there :)
[11:04] <mzanfardino> LjL: heh... nice (pun intended)
[11:04] <LjL> =)
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: click the little up arrow that appears when you hover over it
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then chose configure
[11:04] <JohnFlux> yacoob: and increase the number of displays by one
[11:05] <mzanfardino> LjL: tell me, can you direct me to a good souce of information on compiling my own kernel?  I think I"m ready to tackle compiling a custom kernel and I haven't found any really good information...
[11:05] <yacoob> JohnFlux, yeah, but new display is empty and there doesn't seem to be context menu to configure it :)
[11:05] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then right click an existing display ,and chose launch System Guard
[11:05] <Daisuke_Ido> what *real* benefit is there to compiling your own kernel?
[11:05] <LjL> mzanfardino, depends what you define "good" i suppose...
[11:05] <LjL> !kernel
[11:05] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:05] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: meant to have three pairs of speakers, plus a center channel and a subwoofer.
[11:05] <mzanfardino> selective driver binding, for one
[11:05] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a subjective "it feels faster" aspect, yeah
[11:05] <JohnFlux> yacoob: then from the sensor browser you can drag a sensor from that onto the empty square
[11:05] <MarcC> can I kill kded? It has locked up my desktop
[11:06] <LjL> Daisuke_Ido: you can enable or disable compile-time options
[11:06] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: Are you running 64B?
[11:06] <LjL> like kernel preemption for instance
[11:06] <yacoob> JohnFlux, heh, this is where I got wrong idea. I was trying to drag readymade plots instead of sensors :))
[11:06] <mzanfardino> essential my thought is to strip the kernel down to the bare bones and reduce overhead/space
[11:06] <yacoob> I guess I'm not type of the user ksysguard is friendly with :D
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: the interface is pretty sucky
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: :-)
[11:06] <Daskreech> yacoob:
[11:06] <LjL> mzanfardino, keep in mind anyway that the Ubuntu kernel is *quite* modular. lots of stuff that isn't being used isn't *loaded* to begin with
[11:06] <JohnFlux> yacoob: It's something I'm working on for kde4
[11:06] <Fizzbane> jhutchins: yes it can do that and im running 32bit kubuntu on my amd X2 which supports both 32 and 64
[11:06] <Daskreech> what do you mean on the panel?
[11:07] <mzanfardino> for instance if I want to build a telephony switch, do I really need extraneous drivers/processes loaded?
[11:07] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: kicker
[11:07] <mzanfardino> LjL: that's a good point
[11:07] <JohnFlux> yacoob: what do you want to watch btw?
[11:07] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: You can get Ksys On the Kicker?
[11:07] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: sure
[11:07] <yacoob> JohnFlux, network activity.
[11:07] <Daskreech> how?
[11:08] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: right click on kicker anywhere, panel menu, add applet
[11:08] <LjL> mzanfardino, no, but they won't hurt either. well, the processes might hurt, but there's not really any processes that the kernel runs and that you can disable... still anyway, the principle of "least code = least bugs" is valid, and in the case of a telephony switch, you're probably right to say that a custom compile would be good practice
[11:08] <JohnFlux> then it's called system monitor or something
[11:08] <yacoob> every kicker plot is in fact just a two state switch
[11:08] <jhutchins> Fizzbane: This is the only useful stuff I've found so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2056491
[11:08] <Daskreech> Ah. Not nearly as useful as I thought
[11:08] <Daskreech>  never mind
[11:08] <yacoob> 'something is happening' vs 'fine here'
[11:08] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: what would be useful?
[11:09] <jhutchins> I gotta go feed horses.
[11:09] <Daskreech> PIDs
[11:09] <yacoob> but that's exactly the type of information that I want to keep at the perimeter :)
[11:09] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Hay!
[11:09] <Fizzbane> k thanks
[11:09] <enzo_> I upgraded my desktop's hdd from 250GB to 500GB. I can't seem to load GRUB from the MBR. It freezes. Any suggestions?
[11:09] <Daskreech> I wish I could pop up a PID :(
[11:10] <mzanfardino> LjL: I like the idea of building a very specific solution for a very specific problem.  If I'm going to have a box sitting in a closet expected to run 24/7 I want the least opportunity for extraneous process failure to cause a problem.  Just a thought.  I'm no were near ready to do that, but I need to start somewhere...
[11:10] <yacoob> enzo_, I thought all modern bioses are fine with booting from far regions of the disc...
[11:10] <mzanfardino> LjL: my other project is to build a media DVR which I'd also like to be tight and clean
[11:11] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: Know how I can tie a PID to a particular window Unless I just kill suspend them one by one?
[11:11] <LjL> mzanfardino, i *have* a 24/7 Debian box (headless, keyboardless) i use as my home server. i run debian testing on it. it's certainly not critical - this is just a house after all - but unless i play around with it and make a mistake, it's *very* unlikely to go down spontaneously...
[11:11] <enzo_> yacoob: I don't know what is going on. I have winxp and kubuntu edgy on the hdd and did a direct ghost from old to new hdd. I even copied the MBR.
[11:11] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: you can't - it's something I'm actually working on right now heh
[11:11] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: for what reason?
[11:12] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: So wait for KDE4? :-)
[11:12] <Daskreech> I have a konqueror process taking up 20% of my CPU and I want to find out what it's doing
[11:12] <yacoob> plotting.
[11:12] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: well maybe 4.1 :-)
[11:12] <Daskreech> I have like 14 Konqueror windows open
[11:12] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: hmm, konqueror windows tend to share a process though
[11:12] <mzanfardino> LjL: that's actually the first step in what I'm planning to do...  Now, when you say it's headless and keyboadless, you had to have keyboard and video support during the initial install, yes?  I mean, of course you did.  Do you just exclude the modules once you've installed the base system (and us SSH to login) or is there another technique?
[11:12] <enzo_> I don't know what is going on. I have winxp and kubuntu edgy on the hdd and did a direct ghost from old to new hdd. I even copied the MBR. It appears that I don't have GRUB on the MBR or any info for that matter.
[11:12] <jhutchins> Daskreech: top
[11:13] <Daskreech> jhutchins: how does that help?
[11:13] <yacoob> JohnFlux, speaking of user-friendliness, until recently I was fine off with sawfish + naked xterm, you can imagine my being lost here :)
[11:13] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Tells you which process is using the cpu.
[11:13] <Daskreech> I have 10 processes
[11:13] <Daskreech> jhutchins: I know that. I want to know which Window is which process
[11:13] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: yeah you just can't do what you want to do sorry :/
[11:13] <LjL> mzanfardino: oh, i meant to say but i forgot -- yeah, i just use the bog standard Debian kernel
[11:14] <LjL> mzanfardino: i used to have a custom-compiled one (but yeah, it did have video and keyboard support anyway... i do plug in a monitor when i really need to), but it wasn't worth the effort
[11:14] <DisabledDuck> does anyone know of an application to convert mp3s to ogg?
[11:14] <F0O> nig
[11:14] <F0O> plz
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: I have 126 processes.
[11:15] <F0O> LjL
[11:15] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: Guess it's time to Ctrl+Z like crazy then :)
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Top will give you the pid, track it down with ps ax.
[11:15] <Daskreech> jhutchins: How many bash processes?
[11:15] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: yeah
[11:15] <mzanfardino> LjL: so, if I've got it straight in my head, one would install kernal (w/ kb and vid support), ssh into box, remove kb and vid support and then remove hw if one wanted to truely headless/keyboardless box...
[11:15] <jhutchins> Daskreech: three
[11:16] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Man I need a geek :-(
[11:16] <enzo_> Super GRUB Disk keeps freezing
[11:16] <yacoob> btw, is there some kde4 live cd? :)
[11:16] <Daskreech> jhutchins: You don't have any processes where a lot of them are the same
[11:16] <JohnFlux> yacoob: we're not even close to that :-)
[11:16] <Daskreech> yacoob: Nothing to see
[11:16] <mzanfardino> LjL: and of course, you'd have to fix your IP address... ensure all security measures where sufficient for general purposes, etc.
[11:16] <yacoob> aha :D
[11:16] <jhutchins> Daskreech: Seriously, run top, see which pid is using the most CPU, ps axw | grep <pid>, and it should even tell you the URL.
[11:16] <Daskreech> yacoob: Plus KDE doesn't ship CDs
[11:16] <yacoob> Daskreech, well, 'twas a shortcut
[11:17] <Daskreech> jhutchins: Hmm ok
[11:17] <LjL> mzanfardino, problem is, i trust Debian to provide me with security patches *way* more than i trust myself to recompile the kernel every time a patch comes out
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Unreleased KDE is REALLY, REALLY unstable stuff.
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Not a good idea unless you can patch code.
[11:17] <yacoob> it's just that there's quite a hype about kde4, and it would be lovely to have some way of checking it out without blowing up your own system :>
[11:17] <mzanfardino> LjL: point taken! :)
[11:17] <jhutchins> yacoob: Patience.
[11:17] <yacoob> jhutchins, the patching is not a problem for me, the content of the patch - that would be another story :D
[11:18] <mzanfardino> damn transcode is STILL running...
[11:18] <beta> is there a default folder in the linux file structure where your own compiled/build deb packages should go?
[11:18] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: also you can do:   dcop konqueror-6196 konqueror-mainwindow#1 currentURL
[11:18] <mzanfardino> hmmm... if the video is 70 minutes in length, and transcode is converting at ~10.5fps... is it going to take like 3 hours to convert?
[11:18] <yacoob> beta, if you're doing it like ./debian/rules binary then it's .. :)
[11:19] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: replace 6196 with the url
[11:19] <mzanfardino> beta: /usr/local/src
[11:19] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: replace 6196 with the pid
[11:19] <yacoob> anyway, after I switched from spartan sawfish, I found kde to be nicer - more tightly integrated within itself
[11:19] <Daskreech> Ahh cool that's kinda what I was looking for
[11:19] <jhutchins> yacoob: Hang in #kde-dev for a bit and have a look at what they deal with.
[11:19] <beta> yacoob: where would i have to put em then?
[11:20] <Skuller> how do i get a different kicker?
[11:20] <yacoob> beta, ah, I misunderstood you. You asked where should your package place files at the fs structure?
[11:20] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: it's probably only 30 fps or so
[11:20] <Daskreech> jhutchins, JohnFlux: haha They give two different URLS :)
[11:20] <beta> mzanfardino: isnt this for the sources? i meant the .deb packages you build after you compiled the sources
[11:21] <mzanfardino> beta: sorry, misunderstood
[11:21] <yacoob> :D
[11:21] <Daskreech> Found it thought
[11:21] <Daskreech> though
[11:21] <blueyed> Riddell: Looking at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade I wonder if there's something to test, when you're already on feisty? (I've dist-upgraded some months ago)
[11:21] <mzanfardino> beta: I haven't read anywhere that there is a default path one should use.
[11:21] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: his will get you the url that you launched it with
[11:21] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: mine will give the url it's currently viewing
[11:21] <yacoob> beta, so my answer stays, if you're building package it should appear one leve above the source directory
[11:21] <beta> my bad most likely....my english is quiet poor unfortunetely
[11:21] <beta> quite
[11:21] <Skuller> hey guys if someone is free can they tell me how to change my default kicker?
[11:21] <Daskreech> Ahhhh I opened that two weeks ago. How do they expect me to remember that?
[11:21] <Daskreech> FOund it though
[11:22] <Daskreech>  THANKS!
[11:22] <mzanfardino> JohnFlux: right, so if the video is at 30fps and I'm converting at 10fps, is it reasonable to assume the convertion will take x3 longer than the run time of the video?
[11:22] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: yep
[11:22] <JohnFlux> mzanfardino: 10fps is pretty slow :/
[11:22] <mzanfardino> JohnFlux: bah!
[11:22] <Daskreech> JohnFlux: oh super cool look for KDE4 BTW
[11:23] <mzanfardino> beta: you english appears fine to me.
[11:23] <beta> thx
[11:23] <JohnFlux> Daskreech: which one? :)
[11:23] <Daskreech> The first one
[11:23] <Daskreech> Which one did you go with>
[11:23] <Daskreech> ?
[11:23] <JohnFlux> i don't know what you're refering to
[11:23] <mzanfardino> beta: it is, however, easy to be misunderstood in these channels, especially when you are having to learn the correct terminology.
[11:24] <Skuller> !kicker
[11:24] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[11:24] <AssafKed> yo
[11:24] <mzanfardino> beta: as for deb files though, once they are installed there is no further reference to them (so far as I know), so I can't imagine it should make any difference where you store them.
[11:24] <AssafKed> n00b quest - how's kde 4 coming:P
[11:24] <AssafKed> :)
[11:24] <AssafKed> ?
[11:24] <yacoob> AssafKed, slowly but surely, according to my observations 8)
[11:25] <AssafKed> mzanfardino, not true
[11:25] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: no?
[11:25] <AssafKed> i think synaptic shows 'em listed as other
[11:25] <AssafKed> no mzan. thanks yacoob
[11:25] <AssafKed> lemme check, am new but getting the hang
[11:25] <Daskreech> AssafKed: just do what I do
[11:26] <AssafKed> synaptic's default view shows lotsa stuff
[11:26] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: I'm new too, so I'm interested in the relevance once you've created and installed (say via dpkg) your own deb
[11:26] <Daskreech> convince yourself it's 3 years down the road and just be gretly surprised when it comes out
[11:26] <AssafKed> dask, regarding k?
[11:26] <Daskreech> KDE4
[11:26] <beta> mzanfardino: uhm, no further reference? not to misunterstand you once more....the dependendcies will still get prroved when installing the .dep packages via apt-get?
[11:26] <AssafKed> one sec
[11:26] <AssafKed> lol, thanks dark:)
[11:26] <AssafKed> lol. comm is too friendly, user overflowed:P
[11:26] <mzanfardino> beta: hand on a sec, assafked and I are discussing this very issue
[11:26] <mzanfardino> beta: hang
[11:27] <beta> thx, no prob.
[11:28] <AssafKed> just a tick
[11:28] <AssafKed> looking up a .deb i instalaled
[11:28] <mzanfardino> Let me through it out there, since beta, assafked and I seem to be dancing around the same topic.  When you install a .deb file, is there a) a need to keep it around and b) where is the best place to store it?  I was under the impression that once installed the .deb is no longer required... am I wrong (assafked says I am)?
[11:29] <AssafKed> kool
[11:29] <AssafKed> it's under status
[11:29] <AssafKed> local or obsolete
[11:29] <AssafKed> in synaptic
[11:29] <AssafKed> goddamn it, as a tech guy i'm pretty much in love with synaptic
[11:29] <AssafKed> why ain't it svu?
[11:29] <DisabledDuck> if i disable the klipper clipboard tool can i still copy and paste?
[11:29] <Skuller> !info kicker
[11:29] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[11:29] <AssafKed> oh i misunderstood you
[11:30] <AssafKed> thought you were looking for in apt referrence to what u installed
[11:30] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: I may have misunderstood beta! :)
[11:30] <AssafKed> my bad mzan
[11:30] <AssafKed> cool, hoped i helped any:)
[11:30] <AssafKed> what's a good start to compiling?
[11:30] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: np.
[11:31] <AssafKed> what's a good studio to load source packages automatically and be able yet not required to fiddle with 'em then build?
[11:32] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: quit being pendantic... you should have said automath... :)
[11:32] <AssafKed> cool, will check it out and odds are i soon will:)
[11:32] <mzanfardino> AssafKed: and I think it would be autodidactic anyway...
[11:33] <AssafKed> nah,... my mind precesses are of an autodidactic nature. i on the other hand, possesing the attribute by relation to them, am autodidactive myself
[11:33] <AssafKed> and full o' myself, too:P will be cool to translate some apps though
[11:34] <AssafKed> i wanna get somethin' like an israeli mepis running:)
[11:34] <AssafKed> give the people office solitaire and por... internets:P
[11:34] <beta> assafked: as you mentioned it....i actually was wondering if there was a reference to all the packages i have currently installed on my system via apt
[11:34] <_nano_> is there a way to boot into an existing installation using alternate install CD?
[11:34] <AssafKed> should be if all was apt-gotten
[11:35] <AssafKed> think wget is recorded too as it's used by apt no?
[11:35] <AssafKed> yeah console if it's available
[11:35] <AssafKed> and assuming you can compile/load all modules of the other installer
[11:35] <beta> ok, thx...
[11:35] <AssafKed> livecds use source packages to save place. friggin' neat
[11:36] <_nano_> AssafKed: was that a response to my query?
[11:36] <AssafKed> no to beta
[11:36] <AssafKed> nano reading up
[11:36] <_nano_> AssafKed: thanks :)
[11:36] <krato>  Hi everybody! I have a little trouble with "Kubuntu 6.10 "Edgy Eft" - Release i386" standard CD version (not alternative version)... I have trouble with installer, when I decided witch partition mount to witch mount point in mount table dialog I obtain error message that I didn't set root filesystem but I set it. Here is two screenshots:
[11:36] <krato> My partitions: http://files.kratosoft.com/linux%20problems/snapshot1.png
[11:36] <AssafKed> my bad nano to u
[11:36] <AssafKed> haven't irc'ed in ages
[11:36] <krato> Mount table dialog: http://files.kratosoft.com/linux%20problems/snapshot2.png
[11:36] <krato> What I'm doing wrong?
[11:37] <soulrider> krato: just a sec
[11:37] <AssafKed> fuse or the like up?
[11:37] <krato> soulrider, ok.
[11:38] <soulrider> krato: i was having the same problem today while installing you know
[11:38] <soulrider> what i did was make sure they werent mounted
[11:38] <soulrider> and then format the ones i needed with qtparted
[11:38] <soulrider> and again try to install, it worked after that
[11:38] <AssafKed> had it on a kubuntu install but not ubuntu
[11:39] <AssafKed> how about  getting ubuntu first then the metapackage?
[11:39] <soulrider> AssafKed: you wanna install kubuntu ?
[11:40] <krato> soulrider, thanks, I will check if I don't have mounted them...
[11:40] <rejeep> Hi! I'm looking for a file / package where there's preferences about them! Anyone?
[11:41] <rejeep> * preferences about monitors
[11:41] <Daskreech> rejeep: That makes no sense
[11:41] <Daskreech> ah ok
[11:41] <soulrider> rejeep: like to set them up ?
[11:41] <Daskreech> What kind of prefrences?
[11:41] <krato> AssafKed, What I need is Ubuntu with KDE so I choiced Kubuntu :) ... If I have solution for my problem I will be satisfied with kubuntu.
[11:41] <DisabledDuck> does anyone know of a good Python IDE?
[11:42] <Daskreech> Kate!! :)
[11:42] <rejeep> Horizontal and vertical sync, maximal resolution....
[11:42] <AssafKed> xinerama?
[11:42] <soulrider> krato: i never had issues with the installation, but today i did, dont know why
[11:43] <AssafKed> reinstall the ntfs handler
[11:43] <soulrider> rejeep: theres a small wizard when you reconfigure xorg that you can use to set those things up
[11:43] <AssafKed> and add to the session file a mount
[11:43] <_nano_> I don't intend to install GRUB on MBR, but need to boot into a freshly installed ubuntu for creating a bootfile. Is there a way to boot into my ubuntu partition using alternate install CD?
[11:44] <rejeep> soulrider: I have tried that but that doesn't help... I need the list...
[11:44] <soulrider> _nano_: maybe chroot, but i have no idea of how to use it
[11:44] <_nano_> soulrider: thanks
[11:44] <Daskreech> _nano_: Say again what's the setup?
[11:46] <_nano_> alright, i have a new thinkpad. The problem is I can't mess with the MBR (to preserve the recovery functionality that comes along with it). Hence I need to use the windows bootloader. And write the grub on the linux partition. I need to boot into the linux partition to creat a ubuntu boot file for the windows bootloader to use.
[11:46] <_nano_> all i have is the alternate install CD
[11:48] <_nano_> so you see, i need a way to boot into the freshly installed ubuntu partition without grub
[11:48] <_nano_> so i was wondering if anyone could give me an pointers regarding this
[11:49] <_nano_> Daskreech: there I've explained the issue above
[11:51] <Daskreech> _nano_: No Way to get the Live CD?
[11:51] <ubuntu_> @nano I have two thinkpads and just wiped the recovery partitions.  .. it is easy to get all the driver etc from the ibm internet site, you could use dd to copy the partition to a file using a live cd
[11:52] <Adam_> I think you can put grub on a floppy/usb/cd and use that.
[11:52] <_nano_> Daskreech: Unfortunately i don't have access to a burner (nor do I have blank CDs :( )
[11:52] <Adam_> if you don't want to go downloading 600mb of liveCD
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: USB drive? thats a good idea
[11:53] <Adam_> _nano_: Will your comp boot from usb key?
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: I think so, never tried though...
[11:53] <_nano_> Adam_: it's a new laptop..so i guess it should have that functionality
[11:54] <Adam_> OK. Well see if grub can do that, then see if your laptop can.
[11:54] <_nano_> but still ... does this go on to say that the alternate install CD would be of no help
[11:54] <_nano_> i'll try the usb option then
[11:54] <_nano_> thanks a lot guys :)
[11:55] <compilerwriter> Alright folks I ended up resorting to mkdir /mnt/floppy and then mount to mount a floppy.  After I did that the computer made an icon on my desktop.  I have right clicked and asked the machine to unmount it, but I don't think it has done so.  What advice have you for me?
[11:56] <zerak> is it a known bug or is it just incompatible that makes my copy-paste (middle mouse and ctrl + c ) sometimes (quite often) double paste ?
[11:57] <compilerwriter> Do you have a tempermental rodent zerak?
[11:57] <czaralex> Where can I select programs to autostart at boot up?
[11:57] <zerak> comilerwriter what?
[11:57] <compilerwriter> A mouse is a rodent.
[11:57] <zerak> czaralex controll panel -> advanced panel
[11:57] <joel_> compilerwriter: try the console command "mount", does it say the floppy's still mounted
[11:57] <zerak> compilerwriter no, g7 logitech
[11:58] <zerak> czaralex system services
[11:59] <Jeol_Joel> Damn nickserv... *grumble*
[11:59] <czaralex> zerak: I dont see the option to add a service to that list. Id like to get beryl to start on bootup. Am i looking in the right place?
[11:59] <compilerwriter>  /dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy type vfat (rw) is listed amongst other things Jeol_Joel.  So I believe it is still mounted.
[12:01] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Appears that it is, and the icon disappeared? Hang on, I'll try this myself...
[12:01] <zerak> czaralex dont know about that, it doesnt show up on the list?
[12:02] <compilerwriter> no Jeol_Joel the icon has not disappeared, and when one clicks on the properties it does say that it is still mounted.
[12:02] <czaralex> zerak: No. sorry. it doesn't.
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Oh, by the way, what are you trying to do?
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: I suppose the scripts in kde only recognice those mounted by the gui, but I have not tested it yet.
[12:03] <zerak> czaralex dont know then, probably some config file then
[12:03] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: does umount /dev/fd0 work?
[12:04] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel I am trying to unmount the damned thing.  Then I would like to figure out what broke such that Kubuntu isn't automounting the thing for me.
[12:04] <czaralex> zerak: okay thanks.
[12:05] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: okay... so what happens if you try unmounting it with umount?
[12:07] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel it seems to have unmounted, but I still have the icon on my desktop.
[12:07] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Hmm... I just mounted a floppy with the media:/ layer, and it'll not report it mounted, yet it is....
[12:08] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: This seems broken indeed. Bugzilla?
[12:09] <compilerwriter> JJ I could have sworn the machine automatically mounted a floppy before and removed it when you asked it to.  The last time I had to do that though was in Dapper.
[12:10] <Jeol_Joel> "/dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/fd0" it says, no shit... I just did that.
[12:11] <compilerwriter> I don't know if I broke something or if something is just not kosher with edgy and I just happened upon it.
[12:12] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: Ah, well... I cant say anything about that, installed this kubuntu first time.