[12:26] New bug: #92679 in rosetta "Disable distro release translations with EOL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92679 [12:29] good grief, there's a pie chart [12:40] oh, shiny! where? [12:40] ddaa: you haven't seen them yet? [12:40] sorry, been too busy staring at my belly button === mholthaus__ [n=mholthau@9.153.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad [12:48] thumper: sorry, that was rude [12:49] ddaa: rude? I didn't think so [12:49] ddaa: bugs page [12:49] good... sometime self-derision does not come across right [12:49] although there doesn't seem to be a bug listing any more, just a bug search :\ [12:50] https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bugs [12:50] no pie... === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:50] https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/ [12:50] ddaa: Take out the +bugs [12:51] that's where I go by clicking on the bugs tab... [12:51] I'm not sure that it's possible to navigate to that page. [12:51] oh. [12:51] label positioning is broken [12:51] nope [12:52] here, the count of in progress ovelap with the work "committed" [12:52] * the word [12:52] ddaa: I saw a bug about that, I think. [12:52] it's pretty, and useless... good [12:53] That's all that matters, prettyness. [12:53] I do not really understand the kicks people get from project stats... [12:53] The Ubuntu one isn't pretty, though. It's outright depressing. [12:54] mh [12:54] okay... I think I understand better [12:54] ? [12:54] when you compares to two pie charts, is does say something [12:54] nothing that each project does not already know about itself [12:55] Yeah. === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:55] You do seem tolike doing that, ddaa. [12:55] *to like [12:55] I understand now [12:55] I have that bug again [12:55] where "ctrl-a" behaves like "ctrl-q" [12:56] Sounds like fun. [12:56] iz gtk bug [12:56] You always quit, come back, have your connection reset, then come back again. [12:57] oh wow. the fonts on the advanced search page are really tiny. === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [01:00] hm [01:00] so occasionally when I click on a bug link in beta I'm getting prompted by firefox about whether I want to download a bin file [01:01] the name of the bin file being the bug number [01:01] radix: I got that a few times a couple of days ago. === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-bed4c9fce06fa05d] has joined #launchpad [01:01] generally cancelling it and clicking again works. [01:01] I thought it was at my end. [01:01] Yep. [01:01] I guess something is randomly forgetting to set the Content-Type. [01:01] by which I mean intermittently. [01:02] Intermittent bugs. The best kind. [01:02] radix: I had that a lot at the end of January === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:05] ddaa: that has got to be frustrating. === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-215-18-213.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-215-18-213.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@203-59-195-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === khermans__ [n=khermans@65.96.191.13] has joined #launchpad [02:33] can someone explain to me the 'karma' feature? [02:37] khermans__: does https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation amswer your questions? === beuno [n=martin@200.127.67.148] has joined #launchpad [02:38] jam, better -- who has the highest karma? [02:42] khermans__: I am not sure. You can see the people with the most karma for individual products or distributions though === caravena [n=caravena@145-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad [02:53] who has the most karma for Ubuntu, and how is this determined [03:03] khermans__: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors [03:03] khermans__: and it's determined on how much work and where you do it [03:08] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors is the page he'd be able to actually view :) [03:10] oh darn, yeah [03:13] jamesh: oh, I was told you might know something about librarian [03:13] LaserJock: spiv is the one who wrote most of the librarian, but I might be able to help [03:13] what's the problem? [03:14] well, it's the each file get's it's own directory thing [03:14] it's difficult to get source packages off of LP [03:14] because normally all the files in a source package .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz are in the same dir [03:15] so the tools we use to get them like dget won't work with LP [03:15] I was trying to think of a way to get around this problem, but I don't know how it all works obviosly [03:16] I could imagine maybe a file that had the URLs for the files [03:16] that could be parsed by a tool [03:16] like the source package release page? :) [03:16] or some sort of fancy URL redirect [03:17] yeah, but that means screen scrapping, no? [03:17] can't you use apt for this? [03:17] or are you talking about old versions of packages? [03:17] both [03:17] people using Edgy who want to grab the Feisty package [03:17] or the other way around [03:18] or grabbing from -proposed [03:18] or whatever [03:18] we very often want to grab source packages that are not apt-getable [03:18] normally we use dget [03:18] you give it the .dsc and it automatically wget's the files that are referenced in it [03:19] so you are always looking for the latest version for some repository though, right? [03:19] no [03:19] sometimes we are trying to figure out diffs between packages [03:19] they might not even be in the archives [03:19] only on LP [03:20] once a packages is superseded it gets removed from the archives [03:20] I don't think the librarian will change to put multiple files in a directory or similar (it is designed for serving individual files) [03:20] right [03:20] but you could file a bug for the "URLs for all the files for this package" idea [03:21] I was just thinking maybe it's possible to tie the files together in a way that makes it possible to get them in a non-web way [03:21] (of course, using Bazaar branches instead of source packages might help here too ... [03:21] heh [03:21] yeah, that would to a fair extent === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === zarul [n=x@ubuntu/member/zarul] has joined #launchpad [03:48] anyone around? [03:49] no [03:49] maybe [03:49] you never know :-) [03:49] Just wanna ask, how come the mailbox of my group ,members been bombarded with "support request" for the last 2 days [03:51] hmm, are they related to your group at all? [03:51] no [03:51] the reason why it pissed off a lot of my members [03:52] ticket4202@support.launchpad.net> [03:52] to zarulshahrin@gmail.com [03:52] date Mar 16, 2007 10:48 AM [03:52] subject [Support #4202] : Is there any way to choose which OS when the comp start? [03:52] Support request #4202 on Ubuntu changed: [03:52] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/4202 [03:52] Description changed to: [03:54] hmm [03:54] how many are you getting, roughly? [03:55] and what is your team? [03:55] scary,you don't want to know, its like every support tickets was mailed to us.. [03:55] MalaysianTeam [03:55] ok, yeah [03:55] I see you are subscribed to it [03:55] is it? How was that possible? [03:56] I really don't know [03:56] on your team page I don't see it [03:57] yeah, the reason why I am here...this sounds so weird.. [03:57] a bug? [03:57] well, I'm not a Launcpad dev [03:58] but I think you might want to email the launchpad-users mailing list [03:58] it looks pretty funky to me === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [04:09] zarul: can you unsubscribe your team [04:09] ? [04:10] oh, hi sabdfl [04:10] howdy [04:10] kinda early there isn't it? [04:10] wherever you are [04:10] probably getting ready to hit the slopes :) [04:10] oh man, we had excellent skiing there for a while [04:10] sabdfl, there is no way I can do that [04:10] it's somewhere between very late and very early [04:10] now this week it's record highs [04:11] zarul: the person to speak with is flacoste [04:11] we hit 80F an people are still skiing up at the top [04:11] *and [04:11] zarul: is it just that ticket, or lots of them? [04:11] sounds like lots of them [04:12] sabdfl, a lot of them [04:12] although it could be just lots of comments on that one [04:12] zarul: do you think someone maliciously subscribed your team to a lot of tickets? [04:12] stub: there's an oddness in the db [04:12] sabdfl, I am not sure with that... === LaserJock feels a disturbance in the database [04:13] Some of my members have deactivated their accounts [04:13] and others sending me email complaining [04:14] I wish I know who is the culprit [04:17] yeah, this is frustrating [04:17] stub: is there a way to remove the Malaysian Team from all questions? [04:19] zarul: in a copy of the db from yesterday, your team has zero subscriptions [04:20] i can look again tomorrow to see which ones are there === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.6.181] has joined #launchpad [04:20] yeah, that's the reason why is so weird, cause we didn't subscribe to it and our page also tell us the same story... [04:20] LaserJock: sorry, was busy pairing with lifeless on something [04:21] PPA is all about this [04:21] LaserJock: talk to cprov [04:22] theres more to an archive than just the immediate source files [04:22] As lifeless says, PPA is intended to help with this I think. [04:22] theres the metadata for what distrorelease its for etc [04:22] (and more) [04:22] the latest one I got was [04:22] New support request #4225 on Ubuntu: [04:22] so I'd expect that to be a solid solution. [04:22] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/4225 [04:22] also, we could have four urls in the main lp namespace that redirect, if we wanted [04:23] i.e. lp.net/ubuntu/+source/foo/2.5.4-23/foo_2.5.4-23.dsc [04:23] we dont today, but thats a possibility [04:23] lifeless: I was thinking about that [04:23] only works for stuff uploaded though [04:23] but it might be interesting with non-native vs native packages [04:24] but yeah PPA might help there [04:24] but will PPA affect the Ubuntu archive? [04:24] The librarian is the wrong level to address this at. [04:24] LaserJock: hang on, why do you want to give lp urls at all ? [04:24] LaserJock: why not give ubuntu archive urls ? [04:25] spiv: the librarian doesn't serve the archive yet does it ? [04:25] lifeless: because archive packages come and go [04:25] lifeless: not AFAIK [04:25] we want access to every source package ever :-) [04:25] LaserJock: the librarian has garbage collection too though [04:25] sabdfl, could this be a bug? [04:25] well, it's a lot better than archive.u.c [04:25] LaserJock: AFAIK no [04:25] sure it is [04:25] zarul: yes, it could be [04:26] I've been able to get lots of superseeded (sp?) packages from LP [04:26] lifeless: in my extremely limited experience, packages I've wanted that have disappeared from the archive are always available in the librarian via LP. [04:26] zarul: so you can't uncheck Malaysian Team at "https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+support-contact" ? [04:26] LaserJock: hmm, its probably because we're gc'ing the archive more aggressively to be nice to mirrors [04:27] lifeless: I get stuff waaay back [04:27] LaserJock: anyhow, the key things are: theres no base url you can use today, if you want to do something like that put in a spec request, otherwise you may end up being stufed. [04:27] LaserJock: and if you can get all the files from lp, consider using beautiful soup to gather the urls easily. [04:27] so far I've never run across a case where a source version was on the source package but the package files weren't there [04:28] bah, that was an aweful sentence [04:28] oh [04:28] i see what's going on [04:29] someone has made a bunch of teams into answer-contacts for ubuntu [04:29] it's just a tad frustrating that it's much easier to get packages from Debian or REVU or pretty much any archive other than Launchpad :/ [04:29] mpt: we were talking about having a registrant and datecreated for every table? [04:29] this is why [04:30] jamesh, thanks for that, I unchecked it .. [04:31] zarul: check the subscriber lists for a few of the tickets you got email about [04:31] zarul: to make sure the team is off the list [04:31] https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+support-contact [04:31] but, can anyone just check the thing? [04:31] zarul: given the way the UI is at the moment, it would have been done by a member of the team [04:31] we need to track who creates any given record, and when [04:32] then we would know [04:32] it would probably be worth only letting team admins set a team as a support contact or bug contact [04:32] sabdfl: also who changes one I think, to catch people that unsubscribe when a team is meant to be subscribed [04:32] yeah, this doesn't sound cool as people have malicious things in their head.. [04:33] *some people [04:33] sounds like the time for a witch hunt [04:33] burn 'im [04:33] more witches! [04:33] sabdfl, anyway we can track who changed the status? [04:33] LaserJock might be a witch [04:34] zarul: no [04:34] but ... [04:34] shhhh... [04:34] I swear, sabdfl turned me into a newt! [04:34] jamesh: depend if he's heavier than a duck [04:35] ajmitch: I hear that witches aren't fire proof, which is why burning at the stake is a good way of detecting them [04:35] hmm === LaserJock puts on his fire-retardant pajamas [04:36] LaserJock: that sounds like the sort of thing a witch would do [04:36] shhh [04:37] I might have to get out my Holy Hand Grenade to protect myself [04:37] that LP has big pointy teeth === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #launchpad [04:49] gosh, LP should have an option to let us email all our team members.. [04:56] zarul: interesting, file a bug [04:58] I think there's already bugs for having team ML or some such [04:59] hmm [04:59] thinking though it may be open to abuse if you have a general "contact team" button ;-) [04:59] yeah [04:59] it's got to be carefully done I think [04:59] perhaps have it visible if you are a member of the team [04:59] and not if you aren't [05:00] perhaps [05:00] although maybe it should be configurable like personal email addresses [05:01] sorta like [05:01] considering that many/most people have contact emails on LP [05:01] maybe it's not a huge stretch to have team emails available [05:01] users allowed to configure whether to only receive emails from admin or every members [05:03] I think there was a suggestion of just having like @lists.launchpad.net or something similar [05:03] but that would seem open to a lot of abuse [05:38] zarul, sabdfl: Is this sorted, or is there something I need to remove manually? [05:38] (sorry - was making a screencast for tom) [05:38] stub, problem solved [05:39] for now atleast [05:40] stub: it's sorted [05:40] but please make a note that we need a date_created and registrant on every table === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [05:41] so we know, for example, who made the Malaysian Team a bug contact on Ubuntu [05:41] thanks stub [05:41] this is true even for things like subscriptions - because Joe can subscribe Paul, and we need to know whodunnit [05:47] ok === zwnj [n=behnam@213.207.210.231] has joined #launchpad === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-d80241ca80edfad9] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.6.181] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.6.181] has joined #launchpad === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-133-166.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [09:15] New bug: #92751 in rosetta "Translation export does not indicate release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92751 === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [09:31] morning [09:32] morning carlos! [09:33] mdke: hey, I didn't have time yesterday to finish with kubuntu-docs and ubuntu-docs === mrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-94.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad [10:18] mdke: I just approved all ubuntu-docs templates, they should be full imported in next hours [10:31] /away I'm not here [10:31] :-P === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442dc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === _neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44512.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@43pc196.sshunet.nl] has joined #launchpad === bigjools [n=bigjools@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad === caravena_ [n=caravena@215-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [12:25] stub: also, registrant+date_created gives us easier RSS feeds etc [12:25] i noticed we don't have date_created on distrorelease! === CodeDragon [n=none@195.134.12.229] has joined #launchpad === CodeDragon [n=none@195.134.12.229] has left #launchpad [] === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.1.154] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:47] good morning folks ! === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [12:56] new ubuntu.com webpage online :) [12:57] sabdfl: I went through a while ago and added a lot to all the things that seemed sensible. It didn't click at the time for subscriptions, but I agree we should have it. [12:57] thanks stub [12:57] sabdfl: distrorelease - I somehow think I left it off there for some reason. Are there other dates appropriate already in there? [12:58] oh, weird [12:58] it's in the db, just not in the class [12:58] distrorelease has a date_reated [12:58] or maybe i'm on crack [12:58] yup. I added it to the tables but left updating the classes to others... [12:58] ah... [12:59] cop-out ;-) [12:59] did you file bugs where they don't exist, at least? [12:59] Prime goal was landing the patch quickly so we started collecting the data asap :) [12:59] Nope [12:59] furry muff [01:00] My aim is to get the interfaces validated against the db schema, or even generate most of the interfaces. [01:00] validation i would go with [01:00] chicken [01:00] we could easily check that SQLObject classes map correctly to the db [01:01] I'm leaving it until Storm so I don't have to do it twice [01:01] (and also because I won't have time until then anyway...) [01:01] that's reasonable === caravena [n=caravena@215-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-181-175-196.ctame7014.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [01:49] bon giorno === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [01:49] stub, ah, so date_created is missing from distrorelease too? === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.9.241.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #launchpad === carlos -> lunch === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === barry [n=barry@216-15-33-253.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #launchpad [02:44] kiko: http://www.goplan.info - made in portugal :) === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === mwh [n=mwh@82-33-200-152.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #launchpad [] === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #launchpad === statik is now known as statik-afk === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=david@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@c-69-181-42-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-117.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad [04:08] where's jordi === danilos [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.6.37] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [i=c9eae5f1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b9b8edea8b05fc2e] has joined #launchpad === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === lfittl [n=lfittl@213.129.230.12] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=Joey@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === mrevell is now known as matthewrevell === matthewrevell is now known as mrevell === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@c-71-225-172-3.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === danilos is now known as danilo-out === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@84-12-173-95.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === statik-afk is now known as statik === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [06:05] New bug: #92853 in launchpad "output missing lpm namespace (invalid XML)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92853 === dneary [n=dneary@AMarseille-256-1-70-178.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === AlexLatchford [n=alex@82-44-193-109.cable.ubr07.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [06:54] is "nominate for release" the correct thing if something should be fixed in feisty and edgy? [06:55] lfittl: I think so [06:55] of course, you should nominate for edgy :) [06:56] ok, and should i nominate it for feisty as well? === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === administrator_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-b8f8687ef9378166] has joined #launchpad === mdke [n=matt@212-139-78-17.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad === administrator_ is now known as khermans_ [07:05] lfittl: what bug is it? [07:06] 69701 [07:06] malone #69701 [07:06] Malone bug 69701 in tktable "tktable installs faulty pkgIndex.tcl" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69701 - Assigned to Daniel Rus Morales (rus-daniel) === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [07:28] ddaa: know anything about that python-subversion crash on AMD64? bug 91848 [07:28] Malone bug 91848 in subversion "segfault when importing libsvn.wc in python 2.4 on feisty/amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91848 [07:29] statik: upstream python bindings suck more than an industrial vacuum cleaner in a whorehouse? [07:29] or did you ask about specific knowledge about this bug? [07:30] ddaa: not a SWIG fan, eh? [07:30] nothing against SWIG [07:30] ddaa: yeah, I'm more interested in avoiding or helping to solve this particular bug [07:30] something against how it's used in this case, and AFAICT it's "badly" by any measure. [07:30] I tried the workaround of removing svn_oo from cscvs/moduels/SCM/__init__.py, but that doesn't seem to avoid the crash in my case [07:31] ha right [07:31] just thought I would check if you had particular knowledge about it [07:31] so your actual problem is what, running a test suite? [07:32] I guess you're not really interested in cscvs at this point. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [07:33] statik: the only way I can suggest working around it is by not use he upstream bindings. [07:33] I and do have work in the pipe to do exactly this, but it got stalled by more urgent things. [07:33] s/not use he/not using the/ [07:33] ddaa: ok, understood. yeah, my problem is that when I run test.py, the python interpreter crashes === ddaa greps through the code [07:34] jamesh narrowed it down in the bug report, its a crash when libsvn.wc is imported [07:34] I can just run python2.4, and type "import libsvn.wc", and it crashes [07:35] I'm curious about which bits actually need to import this when do you test.py [07:35] got it... [07:35] mh no... [07:36] ha yes, must be the import fascist [07:37] maybe if you tell the import fascist to ignore lib/importd/tests and the stuff below it === statik tries running with PYTHONVERBOSE=x to see the imports [07:38] there does not appear to be anything in the actual launchpad test suite that needs cscvs [07:38] and the importd test suite is still using a separate test runner for historical reasons [07:38] ddaa rescues me again [07:38] you could also just remove lib/importd/tests/test_svnstrategy.py from your tree and patch its __init__.py to not import it [07:39] but please do not land it... [07:39] another option, you could do all my other work so I can focus of getting rid of upstream python bindings :) [07:39] ddaa: :) [07:39] any idea how I can tell import fascist to ignore this path? [07:40] none [07:40] fair enough. last question: who should that bug be assigned to? is that a contact upstream thing? [07:41] ddaa: and thanks very much for the help and suggestions, as always [07:41] statik: well, there's only an ubuntu bug so far [07:41] it should be assigned to whoever is in charge of maintaining this ubuntu package [07:42] for upstream, I guess you'd have to file the bug on their own bugtracker and create an upstream bugwatch. [07:45] on second thought, i'm not sure that the importfascist trick will do it, but it's worth exploring [07:45] there might be other places that indirectly end up importing the svn bindings [07:46] statik: I can answer questions about the fascist [07:47] statik: but after I get back from food shopping [07:47] SteveA: I've just been talking about this python-subversion crash on AMD64 with ddaa, and wondering whether it is possible to tell the fascist to ignore a particular module [07:48] statik: ok, enjoy your shopping! this is not so important at the moment, I just happened to remember about it === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [07:51] statik: I guess if you hack cscvs into not importing the upstream bindings, it might work too [07:51] it would be horribly broken, but that should not matter to you [07:52] and then you need not touch launchpad at all [07:52] so, hunt for things that "import svn" and "import from svn" [07:53] s/import from svn/from svn import/ [07:53] actually, just "from svn" [07:53] ddaa: grep -R --include=*.py 'import svn' . | wc -l gives me 81 imports [07:54] I'm going to take a quick look at the crash under GDB to see if there is anything obvious, and then just switch to running tests on the laptop [07:57] carlos: ok, thanks. any progress on kubuntu-docs? [07:57] mdke: it's next in my queue [07:58] mdke: is ubuntu-doc as it should? [07:58] mdke: btw, did you manage to prepare the .po files? [07:59] carlos: not yet. ubuntu-docs templates look great [07:59] ok [07:59] statik: there's probably a lot of noise in this stat [07:59] because it matches "svn_oo" as well [07:59] carlos: thanks for that [07:59] mdke: don't worry, Sorry for being a bit late with it [08:00] mdke: I didn't thought you changed so much the templates [08:00] np === carlos -> out === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-55-87.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus_ [n=mholthau@220.185.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === statik [n=emurphy@189.66.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@203-59-195-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === kiko is now known as kiko-afk === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [09:25] kiko-afk: date_created is in the db, not in the content class [09:25] stub did a round of adding them to the db in lots of places, but not to the db classes [09:25] sabdfl, I'll add it in [09:25] also, we need the registrant everywhere, too [09:26] sabdfl, in DistroRelease I can see date_created. [09:26] and I added one to Distribution this week which was missing [09:26] anyway, physiotherapy and I'm late bbiab [09:30] it might have been distribution i noticed didn't have it === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #launchpad === nothlit [n=nothlit@n218103252065.netvigator.com] has joined #launchpad === cprov is now known as cprov-out === Cypherix [n=no@89-138-186-104.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #launchpad [10:06] I wanted to ask a question if possible to the admins, I want to mirror Kubuntu on my servers, I have unlimited bandwidth and a 100Mbit line, who should I contact? [10:08] Cypherix, either Znarl or send an email to mirrors@ubuntu.com === jamesh [n=james@203-59-195-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-43.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === barry [n=barry@216-15-33-253.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #launchpad === merriam_ [n=merriam@84-12-81-29.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #launchpad === kiko-afk is now known as kiko [11:54] kiko: I've got a question [11:56] I may have an answer. [11:58] sometimes in LP there are bugs that kind of attempt to all fix one issue [11:59] we were just looking at bug #90846 bug #55795 and bug #48735 [11:59] Malone bug 90846 in soyuz "Please include the complete changelog on the /+changelog page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90846 [11:59] Malone bug 55795 in soyuz "+changelog includes misleading information related to package versions and authors" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55795 [11:59] Malone bug 48735 in soyuz "changelog histories for packages are not viewable/searchable" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48735 [12:00] ah, 55795 [12:01] okay so far. [12:01] they are related, yes [12:02] so is there anyway to kind of keep track of them? [12:02] I guess they aren't really true dups or anything [12:02] I just find a fair amount of kinda vague and related bugs when it comes to LP [12:03] do you guys ever use like an umbrella bug that references several related bugs [12:04] ok, well maybe I'm not even making sense :-) [12:05] we don't have tracker bugs, no [12:05] we could use tags to group [12:05] but only 3 bugs? easier to search [12:05] yeah [12:05] ok, I just wondered if you guys found it difficult sometimes and had some nifty solution [12:06]