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| nysosym | i will go to bed now, have a good night my friends! :) | 12:14 |
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| benzi | hello | 04:24 |
| benzi | anybody out there | 04:24 |
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| nysosym | good morning :) | 09:19 |
| nysosym | kwwii, the new session splash looks very sexy :) | 09:31 |
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| lapo | hi there | 11:07 |
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| nysosym | re :) | 12:22 |
| kwwii | nysosym: thanks :-) | 12:34 |
| nysosym | kwwii: now do you worked again on oxygen? | 12:53 |
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| kwwii | nysosym: I try to do as much stuff for oxygen in my spare time, so once feisty is over, yeah, I'll probably be doing a bit more | 01:02 |
| bersace | Hi all | 01:03 |
| nysosym | Hi bersace | 01:06 |
| nysosym | kwwii: amazing KDE logo! http://oxygen-icons.org/users/david/ | 01:07 |
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| kwwii | nysosym: yeah, I like that one | 01:17 |
| bersace | kwwii: i relog just to test your new splash ;) | 01:19 |
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| bersace | kwwii: so nice ! | 01:21 |
| bersace | you got it | 01:22 |
| bersace | very nice on the background color | 01:22 |
| bersace | i wonder if the horizontal line worth it | 01:22 |
| kwwii | bersace: thanks :-) | 01:22 |
| bersace | about GDM | 01:22 |
| bersace | you missed to update the screenshots | 01:22 |
| kwwii | yeah, I was wondering about that too...might remove it later | 01:22 |
| bersace | not a problem | 01:22 |
| kwwii | bersace: oops, I'll take care of that asap | 01:22 |
| bersace | kwwii: do you plan to update gdm theme ? | 01:23 |
| kwwii | bersace: I am still working on a new background pic, but mainly I think it will stay as it is now | 01:23 |
| bersace | ok | 01:24 |
| kwwii | I want to remove some of the pink tone | 01:24 |
| kwwii | I'm working on the wallpaper now | 01:25 |
| kwwii | desktop wallpaper, that is | 01:25 |
| bersace | good | 01:27 |
| bersace | kwwii: do you think i should register a bzr branch for feisty-gdm-theme to contribute ? | 01:27 |
| bersace | like explained in troy_s howto | 01:28 |
| bersace | troy_s: where is that howto ? | 01:28 |
| bersace | i guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto | 01:29 |
| bersace | kwwii: there is no autoconf nor automake file in the branch :( | 01:37 |
| kwwii | yeah, we moved to the python utils | 01:38 |
| kwwii | makes things much easier | 01:38 |
| kwwii | no more adding names to makefiles, etc. | 01:38 |
| kwwii | bersace: it would be great if you made a branch :-) | 01:42 |
| bersace | i'm trying to publish my branch | 01:42 |
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| bersace | how to create a branch on ~bersace ? | 01:43 |
| bersace | i have to register a branch ? | 01:43 |
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| bersace | ok, i got it | 01:47 |
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| bersace | kwwii: https://launchpad.net/feisty-gdm-themes/+branches | 01:54 |
| bersace | ;) | 01:54 |
| bersace | kwwii: why is there .in but no .ac nor .am ? | 01:54 |
| nysosym | bersace: kwwii is away ;) | 01:54 |
| nysosym | kwwii has to take his son to basketball practice...bbl | 01:54 |
| bersace | oops | 01:54 |
| bersace | right | 01:54 |
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| troy_s | bersace: wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr | 02:42 |
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| bersace | troy_s: i got it | 02:42 |
| bersace | thx | 02:42 |
| troy_s | http://digitalfury.popmartian.com/images/20070202/paranoia.jpg | 03:46 |
| troy_s | hilarious | 03:46 |
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| joejaxx | :0 | 03:54 |
| joejaxx | :) * | 03:54 |
| nysosym | troy_s: the graphic is nice :D | 04:16 |
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| VeganChick | I can't seem to compile the Murrine engine. | 07:03 |
| VeganChick | Can someone help me? | 07:03 |
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| nysosym | re :) | 07:50 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: There are countless debs available. | 08:11 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: If you insist on compiling, what error are you getting? | 08:12 |
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| VeganChick | Sorry troy, I was in effects. | 08:49 |
| VeganChick | they found me a deb | 08:49 |
| VeganChick | I didn't know it even existed :\ | 08:50 |
| troy_s | Damn you | 08:53 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: If you do get errors | 08:53 |
| troy_s | It is generally easier for people to diagnose if you provide the LAST compiler error | 08:53 |
| troy_s | :) | 08:53 |
| troy_s | As opposed to "help me, I'm drowning" :) | 08:53 |
| yharrow | yay, a vegan chick | 08:56 |
| VeganChick | I thought this channel was dead. | 08:56 |
| VeganChick | lol | 08:56 |
| yharrow | *loves vegan chicks | 08:56 |
| VeganChick | haha | 08:56 |
| VeganChick | I used a murrine theme, but it still looks too blocky and...ick. | 08:57 |
| yharrow | :) | 08:57 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: you use ubuntu much? | 08:58 |
| VeganChick | Nope, just started. | 08:58 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: cool. welcome to the community :) | 08:58 |
| VeganChick | thanks, yharrow | 08:58 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: your welcome. So youre an artist? | 08:58 |
| VeganChick | Not really, just used to pretty OS X. | 08:59 |
| yharrow | :) I see what you mean. so youre trying to get murrine installed? | 09:01 |
| VeganChick | I have it installed now, and I'm using the Candy theme, but it doesn't look so hot. | 09:01 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: hmm if you want you can get a theme almost identical to mac | 09:02 |
| yharrow | would you be interested? | 09:02 |
| VeganChick | Hmm, I've seen that. I'm not sure. | 09:03 |
| VeganChick | I would love to just change everything from scratch, but I don't think there's a way to do that. | 09:04 |
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| yharrow | VeganChick: what do you mean by change everything from scratch? | 09:08 |
| VeganChick | like design all of the buttons, tabs, panels | 09:12 |
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| yharrow | VeganChick: its perfectly possible :) | 09:18 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: if you have the time and knowledge | 09:18 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: even if you dont have the knowlege you can learn | 09:18 |
| VeganChick | I don't know where to start. | 09:19 |
| VeganChick | because I definitely don't have the knowledge now | 09:19 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: hmm. well are you just looking for something different or do you actually want to create something revolutionary? | 09:19 |
| yharrow | :) | 09:19 |
| VeganChick | haha | 09:20 |
| VeganChick | I would love revolutionary, but something different would be ok too. | 09:20 |
| yharrow | do you have any experience in design of any kind? | 09:20 |
| VeganChick | Not desktop styles. | 09:21 |
| VeganChick | I've worked with Photoshop | 09:21 |
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| VeganChick | There's a web/graphic design geek in the house, but he doesn't use linux | 09:21 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: so you make a living in design? | 09:23 |
| VeganChick | No, I'm just a student. | 09:23 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: oh ok cool :) | 09:23 |
| yharrow | *is a student as well | 09:23 |
| yharrow | IM only 20 lol | 09:23 |
| VeganChick | Hah, I'm not a design student. And I'm younger than you, don't feel bad. | 09:24 |
| VeganChick | :P | 09:24 |
| yharrow | hehe | 09:24 |
| yharrow | VeganChick: well there is this guy from ubuntu who is trying to create his own revolutionary design, Ill give you a link so you can take a look | 09:24 |
| VeganChick | ok thanks | 09:25 |
| TheSheep_ | VeganChick: you can change the roundness of buttons and other widgets in murrine easily | 09:26 |
| VeganChick | TheSheep_: I know, I used the Configurator, but it didn't make me happy. | 09:27 |
| VeganChick | thanks though | 09:27 |
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| TheSheep_ | never used it :) | 09:28 |
| VeganChick | it's pretty good, but I just don't like the default linux design | 09:28 |
| TheSheep_ | if you mean the general layout of controls in programs, then you're out of luck -- it's pretty much hardcoded | 09:29 |
| VeganChick | I can't figure out how to install this theme. | 09:30 |
| VeganChick | http://www.robertourso.com/?cat=3 | 09:31 |
| TheSheep_ | usually you just unpack it itno .themes directory | 09:31 |
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| VeganChick | "Truth" halfway down | 09:31 |
| troy_s | murrine is turk | 09:31 |
| troy_s | You can change everything using the Pixbuf engine | 09:32 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: pixbuf is slooow :) | 09:32 |
| troy_s | and then once you decide on a direction, consider the Lua engine to script it. | 09:32 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: That is a legacy comment | 09:33 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: of course | 09:33 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: It is actually quite bloody responsive now. In fact, the era of "slow" pixmap engine is from... god knows when | 09:33 |
| VeganChick | where do i find this engine? | 09:33 |
| PWill | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/89035 | 09:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 89035 in ubuntu-website "CoF icon clash frontpage (new site)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:33 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: To install a theme | 09:33 |
| troy_s | open up your graphical theme editor | 09:34 |
| troy_s | and drag the FULL gzipped tarball into the window | 09:34 |
| troy_s | Don't extract -- just drag. | 09:34 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: that's a zip :) | 09:34 |
| VeganChick | troy: I did that | 09:34 |
| VeganChick | but it doesn't look right | 09:34 |
| VeganChick | I need the cgwd themer | 09:34 |
| VeganChick | but i can't find where to get that | 09:35 |
| troy_s | Design your own from using a good template | 09:35 |
| troy_s | Its quite simple | 09:35 |
| troy_s | albeit a little on the time consumption zone | 09:35 |
| PWill | is anyone here on the website team? | 09:36 |
| VeganChick | Troy_s: I would do that, but I don't know how to modify anything yet. | 09:36 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: It is quite simple once you look at the engine layout | 09:36 |
| troy_s | Just look at samples such as Neutronium for the pixbuf engine | 09:37 |
| troy_s | etc. | 09:37 |
| troy_s | Start by simply modding the png files that come with it then expand from there VeganChick | 09:37 |
| troy_s | _everything_ in gnome is customizable to some extent -- including layouts etc. | 09:38 |
| troy_s | and most of the gnome philosophy means that it is generally in plaintext format | 09:38 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: well, you won't change the order of buttons to have 'ok' on the left, for example :) | 09:39 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: No, correct. Although there might be something in there for RTL no? | 09:39 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: no, it's hardcoded | 09:40 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: directly in the C code | 09:40 |
| troy_s | Well that is shameful coding. | 09:40 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: of particular apps | 09:40 |
| troy_s | Expected, but shameful. | 09:40 |
| TheSheep_ | that's what GNOEM HIG is for :) | 09:40 |
| TheSheep_ | GNOME | 09:40 |
| troy_s | Why the feck didn't that interface markup language take off? | 09:41 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: glade? it's very popular | 09:41 |
| troy_s | No | 09:41 |
| troy_s | OIML? | 09:41 |
| troy_s | erm... let me look | 09:41 |
| TheSheep_ | never heard of it | 09:41 |
| TheSheep_ | that might be part of the reason ;) | 09:41 |
| troy_s | uiml | 09:42 |
| troy_s | http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=uiml | 09:42 |
| troy_s | i guarantee that you will find it interesting | 09:42 |
| TheSheep_ | thank you sir | 09:43 |
| troy_s | I assure you that _you_ will find it quite fascinating. | 09:43 |
| troy_s | it generated a 'duh why hasn't someone done this yet' from me for certain | 09:43 |
| TheSheep_ | uiml.org | 09:44 |
| VeganChick | All of the themes I've found only change colors. | 09:45 |
| VeganChick | Where do I find the Cgwd themer? | 09:45 |
| TheSheep_ | VeganChick: the yall use the same engine | 09:45 |
| TheSheep_ | VeganChick: I think it's included with the compiz? | 09:46 |
| troy_s | uiml.org is old TheSheep_ | 09:46 |
| VeganChick | I guess I don't have compiz then | 09:46 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: You can only really change colour with murrine | 09:46 |
| troy_s | the stylings are all hard coded (with a few 'changes' you can make via the config file) | 09:46 |
| troy_s | SOME looks will use it as a base | 09:46 |
| troy_s | and Pixbuf the rest | 09:46 |
| troy_s | which means that you need BOTH engines installed to see the results VeganChick | 09:47 |
| troy_s | uiml.org moved to that latter link i gave you | 09:47 |
| troy_s | in fact, VeganChick there is nothing stopping you from creating a theme based on 100 engines -- your end user will need all engines installed to see the results however. | 09:48 |
| VeganChick | haha | 09:50 |
| VeganChick | I downloaded the compiz stuff available on the Synaptic Package Manager | 09:51 |
| VeganChick | but I still need the cgwd themer to use this theme i like | 09:52 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: Most everything can be changed from the command line | 09:54 |
| troy_s | VeganChick: I would encourage you to figure out how so you aren't relying on some extra rubbish to confuse you | 09:54 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: Did I mention it is great to have you back in the fold? | 09:54 |
| VeganChick | the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work | 10:03 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: thank you | 10:06 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: hm... uiml seems like just another layer of indirection -- the real work are the peers sections | 10:19 |
| VeganChick | can anyone help me? | 10:20 |
| VeganChick | trying to install compiz, the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work | 10:20 |
| TheSheep_ | VeganChick: I don't know, but the guys at #compiz or ubuntu-glx (or was it xgl?) will surely know | 10:21 |
| VeganChick | there's a channel for everything... | 10:21 |
| VeganChick | haha | 10:21 |
| TheSheep_ | especially on freenode :) | 10:21 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: Yeah I don't know about the actual implementation, but the ideas behind it are good. | 10:22 |
| troy_s | TheSheep_: It seems to be a working model of a much needed descriptor | 10:22 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: you know why the split html/css works so good? | 10:23 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: becuse it's usually different people who program the html-spitting part and the layout | 10:23 |
| TheSheep_ | troy_s: in case of ui the separation is not so obvious | 10:23 |
| TheSheep_ | (but I tend to agree that it should be) | 10:24 |
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| h4writer | #ubuntu-feisty | 10:28 |
| troy_s | #ubuntu-warty | 10:29 |
| h4writer | :p | 10:35 |
| troy_s | #ubuntu-hoary ;) | 10:35 |
| TheSheep_ | #ubuntu-zippy | 10:35 |
| h4writer | sorry, I'm not a little bit sleepy and I just typed it. Know it is wrong, but the "enter" was already pushed;-) | 10:36 |
| h4writer | zippy? | 10:36 |
| TheSheep_ | h4writer: out in 22 releases :) | 10:36 |
| TheSheep_ | zippy zebra, probably ;) | 10:36 |
| h4writer | okey | 10:37 |
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