=== BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-67-64-104-30.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:14] i will go to bed now, have a good night my friends! :) === yharrow [n=sysadmin@h-68-164-34-22.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === |Element| [n=Element@122.8.49.33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === |Element| [n=Element@122.8.49.33] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@67.64.104.30] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === newz2000 [n=matt@12-210-150-228.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["If] === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === benzi [n=benzi@nc-71-2-152-193.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:24] hello [04:24] anybody out there === benzi [n=benzi@nc-71-2-152-193.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === BHSPitLappy [n=steve-o@67.64.104.30] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B9D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:19] good morning :) [09:31] kwwii, the new session splash looks very sexy :) === lapo [n=lapo@host102-254-static.189-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:07] hi there === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B78B47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:22] re :) [12:34] nysosym: thanks :-) [12:53] kwwii: now do you worked again on oxygen? === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:02] nysosym: I try to do as much stuff for oxygen in my spare time, so once feisty is over, yeah, I'll probably be doing a bit more [01:03] Hi all [01:06] Hi bersace [01:07] kwwii: amazing KDE logo! http://oxygen-icons.org/users/david/ === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:17] nysosym: yeah, I like that one [01:19] kwwii: i relog just to test your new splash ;) === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:21] kwwii: so nice ! [01:22] you got it [01:22] very nice on the background color [01:22] i wonder if the horizontal line worth it [01:22] bersace: thanks :-) [01:22] about GDM [01:22] you missed to update the screenshots [01:22] yeah, I was wondering about that too...might remove it later [01:22] not a problem [01:22] bersace: oops, I'll take care of that asap [01:23] kwwii: do you plan to update gdm theme ? [01:23] bersace: I am still working on a new background pic, but mainly I think it will stay as it is now [01:24] ok [01:24] I want to remove some of the pink tone [01:25] I'm working on the wallpaper now [01:25] desktop wallpaper, that is [01:27] good [01:27] kwwii: do you think i should register a bzr branch for feisty-gdm-theme to contribute ? [01:28] like explained in troy_s howto [01:28] troy_s: where is that howto ? [01:29] i guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto [01:37] kwwii: there is no autoconf nor automake file in the branch :( [01:38] yeah, we moved to the python utils [01:38] makes things much easier [01:38] no more adding names to makefiles, etc. [01:42] bersace: it would be great if you made a branch :-) [01:42] i'm trying to publish my branch === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:43] how to create a branch on ~bersace ? [01:43] i have to register a branch ? === iac_lizardking_ [n=lizardki@host205-129-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:47] ok, i got it === kwwii has to take his son to basketball practice...bbl === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@host205-129-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@host205-129-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [01:54] kwwii: https://launchpad.net/feisty-gdm-themes/+branches [01:54] ;) [01:54] kwwii: why is there .in but no .ac nor .am ? [01:54] bersace: kwwii is away ;) [01:54] kwwii has to take his son to basketball practice...bbl [01:54] oops [01:54] right === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@host205-129-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@host205-129-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [02:42] bersace: wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:42] troy_s: i got it [02:42] thx [03:46] http://digitalfury.popmartian.com/images/20070202/paranoia.jpg [03:46] hilarious === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:54] :0 [03:54] :) * [04:16] troy_s: the graphic is nice :D === andreasn [n=andreas@h101n1fls31o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bersace_ [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === VeganChick [n=carolyn@nictel-dsl-65-155.slic.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:03] I can't seem to compile the Murrine engine. [07:03] Can someone help me? === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B78B47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:50] re :) [08:11] VeganChick: There are countless debs available. [08:12] VeganChick: If you insist on compiling, what error are you getting? === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@87.10.129.205] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === iac_lizardking [n=lizardki@87.10.129.205] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:49] Sorry troy, I was in effects. [08:49] they found me a deb [08:50] I didn't know it even existed :\ [08:53] Damn you [08:53] VeganChick: If you do get errors [08:53] It is generally easier for people to diagnose if you provide the LAST compiler error [08:53] :) [08:53] As opposed to "help me, I'm drowning" :) [08:56] yay, a vegan chick [08:56] I thought this channel was dead. [08:56] lol [08:56] *loves vegan chicks [08:56] haha [08:57] I used a murrine theme, but it still looks too blocky and...ick. [08:57] :) [08:58] VeganChick: you use ubuntu much? [08:58] Nope, just started. [08:58] VeganChick: cool. welcome to the community :) [08:58] thanks, yharrow [08:58] VeganChick: your welcome. So youre an artist? [08:59] Not really, just used to pretty OS X. [09:01] :) I see what you mean. so youre trying to get murrine installed? [09:01] I have it installed now, and I'm using the Candy theme, but it doesn't look so hot. [09:02] VeganChick: hmm if you want you can get a theme almost identical to mac [09:02] would you be interested? [09:03] Hmm, I've seen that. I'm not sure. [09:04] I would love to just change everything from scratch, but I don't think there's a way to do that. === bersace_ is now known as bersace|away [09:08] VeganChick: what do you mean by change everything from scratch? [09:12] like design all of the buttons, tabs, panels === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:18] VeganChick: its perfectly possible :) [09:18] VeganChick: if you have the time and knowledge [09:18] VeganChick: even if you dont have the knowlege you can learn [09:19] I don't know where to start. [09:19] because I definitely don't have the knowledge now [09:19] VeganChick: hmm. well are you just looking for something different or do you actually want to create something revolutionary? [09:19] :) [09:20] haha [09:20] I would love revolutionary, but something different would be ok too. [09:20] do you have any experience in design of any kind? [09:21] Not desktop styles. [09:21] I've worked with Photoshop === bersace|away is now known as bersace [09:21] There's a web/graphic design geek in the house, but he doesn't use linux [09:23] VeganChick: so you make a living in design? [09:23] No, I'm just a student. [09:23] VeganChick: oh ok cool :) [09:23] *is a student as well [09:23] IM only 20 lol [09:24] Hah, I'm not a design student. And I'm younger than you, don't feel bad. [09:24] :P [09:24] hehe [09:24] VeganChick: well there is this guy from ubuntu who is trying to create his own revolutionary design, Ill give you a link so you can take a look [09:25] ok thanks [09:26] VeganChick: you can change the roundness of buttons and other widgets in murrine easily [09:27] TheSheep_: I know, I used the Configurator, but it didn't make me happy. [09:27] thanks though === TheSheep_ forgot about the ocnfigurator [09:28] never used it :) [09:28] it's pretty good, but I just don't like the default linux design [09:29] if you mean the general layout of controls in programs, then you're out of luck -- it's pretty much hardcoded [09:30] I can't figure out how to install this theme. [09:31] http://www.robertourso.com/?cat=3 [09:31] usually you just unpack it itno .themes directory === TheSheep_ looks [09:31] "Truth" halfway down [09:31] murrine is turk [09:32] You can change everything using the Pixbuf engine [09:32] troy_s: pixbuf is slooow :) [09:32] and then once you decide on a direction, consider the Lua engine to script it. [09:33] TheSheep_: That is a legacy comment [09:33] troy_s: of course [09:33] TheSheep_: It is actually quite bloody responsive now. In fact, the era of "slow" pixmap engine is from... god knows when [09:33] where do i find this engine? [09:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/89035 [09:33] Malone bug 89035 in ubuntu-website "CoF icon clash frontpage (new site)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:33] VeganChick: To install a theme [09:34] open up your graphical theme editor [09:34] and drag the FULL gzipped tarball into the window [09:34] Don't extract -- just drag. [09:34] troy_s: that's a zip :) [09:34] troy: I did that [09:34] but it doesn't look right [09:34] I need the cgwd themer [09:35] but i can't find where to get that [09:35] Design your own from using a good template [09:35] Its quite simple [09:35] albeit a little on the time consumption zone [09:36] is anyone here on the website team? [09:36] Troy_s: I would do that, but I don't know how to modify anything yet. [09:36] VeganChick: It is quite simple once you look at the engine layout [09:37] Just look at samples such as Neutronium for the pixbuf engine [09:37] etc. [09:37] Start by simply modding the png files that come with it then expand from there VeganChick [09:38] _everything_ in gnome is customizable to some extent -- including layouts etc. [09:38] and most of the gnome philosophy means that it is generally in plaintext format [09:39] troy_s: well, you won't change the order of buttons to have 'ok' on the left, for example :) [09:39] TheSheep_: No, correct. Although there might be something in there for RTL no? [09:40] troy_s: no, it's hardcoded [09:40] troy_s: directly in the C code [09:40] Well that is shameful coding. [09:40] troy_s: of particular apps [09:40] Expected, but shameful. [09:40] that's what GNOEM HIG is for :) [09:40] GNOME [09:41] Why the feck didn't that interface markup language take off? [09:41] troy_s: glade? it's very popular [09:41] No [09:41] OIML? [09:41] erm... let me look [09:41] never heard of it [09:41] that might be part of the reason ;) [09:42] uiml [09:42] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=uiml [09:42] i guarantee that you will find it interesting [09:43] thank you sir [09:43] I assure you that _you_ will find it quite fascinating. [09:43] it generated a 'duh why hasn't someone done this yet' from me for certain [09:44] uiml.org [09:45] All of the themes I've found only change colors. [09:45] Where do I find the Cgwd themer? [09:45] VeganChick: the yall use the same engine [09:46] VeganChick: I think it's included with the compiz? [09:46] uiml.org is old TheSheep_ [09:46] I guess I don't have compiz then [09:46] VeganChick: You can only really change colour with murrine [09:46] the stylings are all hard coded (with a few 'changes' you can make via the config file) [09:46] SOME looks will use it as a base [09:46] and Pixbuf the rest [09:47] which means that you need BOTH engines installed to see the results VeganChick [09:47] uiml.org moved to that latter link i gave you [09:48] in fact, VeganChick there is nothing stopping you from creating a theme based on 100 engines -- your end user will need all engines installed to see the results however. [09:50] haha [09:51] I downloaded the compiz stuff available on the Synaptic Package Manager [09:52] but I still need the cgwd themer to use this theme i like [09:54] VeganChick: Most everything can be changed from the command line [09:54] VeganChick: I would encourage you to figure out how so you aren't relying on some extra rubbish to confuse you [09:54] TheSheep_: Did I mention it is great to have you back in the fold? [10:03] the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work [10:06] troy_s: thank you [10:19] troy_s: hm... uiml seems like just another layer of indirection -- the real work are the peers sections [10:20] can anyone help me? [10:20] trying to install compiz, the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work [10:21] VeganChick: I don't know, but the guys at #compiz or ubuntu-glx (or was it xgl?) will surely know [10:21] there's a channel for everything... [10:21] haha [10:21] especially on freenode :) [10:22] TheSheep_: Yeah I don't know about the actual implementation, but the ideas behind it are good. [10:22] TheSheep_: It seems to be a working model of a much needed descriptor [10:23] troy_s: you know why the split html/css works so good? [10:23] troy_s: becuse it's usually different people who program the html-spitting part and the layout [10:23] troy_s: in case of ui the separation is not so obvious [10:24] (but I tend to agree that it should be) === h4writer [n=h4writer@d51A48402.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:28] #ubuntu-feisty [10:29] #ubuntu-warty [10:35] :p [10:35] #ubuntu-hoary ;) [10:35] #ubuntu-zippy [10:36] sorry, I'm not a little bit sleepy and I just typed it. Know it is wrong, but the "enter" was already pushed;-) [10:36] zippy? [10:36] h4writer: out in 22 releases :) [10:36] zippy zebra, probably ;) [10:37] okey === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork