[12:14] <nysosym> i will go to bed now, have a good night my friends! :)
[04:24] <benzi> hello
[04:24] <benzi> anybody out there
[09:19] <nysosym> good morning :)
[09:31] <nysosym> kwwii, the new session splash looks very sexy :)
[11:07] <lapo> hi there
[12:22] <nysosym> re :)
[12:34] <kwwii> nysosym: thanks :-)
[12:53] <nysosym> kwwii: now do you worked again on oxygen?
[01:02] <kwwii> nysosym: I try to do as much stuff for oxygen in my spare time, so once feisty is over, yeah, I'll probably be doing a bit more
[01:03] <bersace> Hi all
[01:06] <nysosym> Hi bersace
[01:07] <nysosym> kwwii: amazing KDE logo! http://oxygen-icons.org/users/david/
[01:17] <kwwii> nysosym: yeah, I like that one
[01:19] <bersace> kwwii: i relog just to test your new splash ;)
[01:21] <bersace> kwwii: so nice !
[01:22] <bersace> you got it
[01:22] <bersace> very nice on the background color
[01:22] <bersace> i wonder if the horizontal line worth it
[01:22] <kwwii> bersace: thanks :-)
[01:22] <bersace> about GDM
[01:22] <bersace> you missed to update the screenshots
[01:22] <kwwii> yeah, I was wondering about that too...might remove it later
[01:22] <bersace> not a problem
[01:22] <kwwii> bersace: oops, I'll take care of that asap
[01:23] <bersace> kwwii: do you plan to update gdm theme ?
[01:23] <kwwii> bersace: I am still working on a new background pic, but mainly I think it will stay as it is now
[01:24] <bersace> ok
[01:24] <kwwii> I want to remove some of the pink tone
[01:25] <kwwii> I'm working on the wallpaper now
[01:25] <kwwii> desktop wallpaper, that is
[01:27] <bersace> good
[01:27] <bersace> kwwii: do you think i should register a bzr branch for feisty-gdm-theme to contribute ?
[01:28] <bersace> like explained in troy_s howto
[01:28] <bersace> troy_s: where is that howto ?
[01:29] <bersace> i guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto
[01:37] <bersace> kwwii: there is no autoconf nor automake file in the branch :(
[01:38] <kwwii> yeah, we moved to the python utils
[01:38] <kwwii> makes things much easier
[01:38] <kwwii> no more adding names to makefiles, etc.
[01:42] <kwwii> bersace: it would be great if you made a branch :-)
[01:42] <bersace> i'm trying to publish my branch
[01:43] <bersace> how to create a branch on ~bersace ?
[01:43] <bersace> i have to register a branch ?
[01:47] <bersace> ok, i got it
[01:54] <bersace> kwwii:  https://launchpad.net/feisty-gdm-themes/+branches
[01:54] <bersace> ;)
[01:54] <bersace> kwwii: why is there .in but no .ac nor .am ?
[01:54] <nysosym> bersace: kwwii is away ;)
[01:54] <nysosym> kwwii has to take his son to basketball practice...bbl
[01:54] <bersace> oops
[01:54] <bersace> right
[02:42] <troy_s> bersace:  wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr
[02:42] <bersace> troy_s: i got it
[02:42] <bersace> thx
[03:46] <troy_s> http://digitalfury.popmartian.com/images/20070202/paranoia.jpg
[03:46] <troy_s> hilarious
[03:54] <joejaxx> :0
[03:54] <joejaxx> :)  *
[04:16] <nysosym> troy_s: the graphic is nice :D
[07:03] <VeganChick> I can't seem to compile the Murrine engine.
[07:03] <VeganChick> Can someone help me?
[07:50] <nysosym> re :)
[08:11] <troy_s> VeganChick: There are countless debs available.
[08:12] <troy_s> VeganChick: If you insist on compiling, what error are you getting?
[08:49] <VeganChick> Sorry troy, I was in effects.
[08:49] <VeganChick> they found me a deb
[08:50] <VeganChick> I didn't know it even existed :\
[08:53] <troy_s> Damn you
[08:53] <troy_s> VeganChick: If you do get errors
[08:53] <troy_s> It is generally easier for people to diagnose if you provide the LAST compiler error
[08:53] <troy_s> :)
[08:53] <troy_s> As opposed to "help me, I'm drowning" :)
[08:56] <yharrow> yay, a vegan chick
[08:56] <VeganChick> I thought this channel was dead.
[08:56] <VeganChick> lol
[08:56] <yharrow> *loves vegan chicks
[08:56] <VeganChick> haha
[08:57] <VeganChick> I used a murrine theme, but it still looks too blocky and...ick.
[08:57] <yharrow> :)
[08:58] <yharrow> VeganChick: you use ubuntu much?
[08:58] <VeganChick> Nope, just started.
[08:58] <yharrow> VeganChick: cool. welcome to the community :)
[08:58] <VeganChick> thanks, yharrow
[08:58] <yharrow> VeganChick: your welcome. So youre an artist?
[08:59] <VeganChick> Not really, just used to pretty OS X.
[09:01] <yharrow> :) I see what you mean. so youre trying to get murrine installed?
[09:01] <VeganChick> I have it installed now, and I'm using the Candy theme, but it doesn't look so hot.
[09:02] <yharrow> VeganChick: hmm if you want you can get a theme almost identical to mac
[09:02] <yharrow> would you be interested?
[09:03] <VeganChick> Hmm, I've seen that. I'm not sure.
[09:04] <VeganChick> I would love to just change everything from scratch, but I don't think there's a way to do that.
[09:08] <yharrow> VeganChick: what do you mean by change everything from scratch?
[09:12] <VeganChick> like design all of the buttons, tabs, panels
[09:18] <yharrow> VeganChick: its perfectly possible :)
[09:18] <yharrow> VeganChick: if you have the time and knowledge
[09:18] <yharrow> VeganChick: even if you dont have the knowlege you can learn
[09:19] <VeganChick> I don't know where to start.
[09:19] <VeganChick> because I definitely don't have the knowledge now
[09:19] <yharrow> VeganChick: hmm. well are you just looking for something different or do you actually want to create something revolutionary?
[09:19] <yharrow> :)
[09:20] <VeganChick> haha
[09:20] <VeganChick> I would love revolutionary, but something different would be ok too.
[09:20] <yharrow> do you have any experience in design of any kind?
[09:21] <VeganChick> Not desktop styles.
[09:21] <VeganChick> I've worked with Photoshop
[09:21] <VeganChick> There's a web/graphic design geek in the house, but he doesn't use linux
[09:23] <yharrow> VeganChick: so you make a living in design?
[09:23] <VeganChick> No, I'm just a student.
[09:23] <yharrow> VeganChick: oh ok cool :)
[09:23] <yharrow> *is a student as well
[09:23] <yharrow> IM only 20 lol
[09:24] <VeganChick> Hah, I'm not a design student. And I'm younger than you, don't feel bad.
[09:24] <VeganChick> :P
[09:24] <yharrow> hehe
[09:24] <yharrow> VeganChick: well there is this guy from ubuntu who is trying to create his own revolutionary design, Ill give you a link so you can take a look
[09:25] <VeganChick> ok thanks
[09:26] <TheSheep_> VeganChick: you can change the roundness of buttons and other widgets in murrine easily
[09:27] <VeganChick> TheSheep_: I know, I used the Configurator, but it didn't make me happy.
[09:27] <VeganChick> thanks though
[09:28] <TheSheep_> never used it :)
[09:28] <VeganChick> it's pretty good, but I just don't like the default linux design
[09:29] <TheSheep_> if you mean the general layout of controls in programs, then you're out of luck -- it's pretty much hardcoded
[09:30] <VeganChick> I can't figure out how to install this theme.
[09:31] <VeganChick> http://www.robertourso.com/?cat=3
[09:31] <TheSheep_> usually you just unpack it itno .themes directory
[09:31] <VeganChick> "Truth" halfway down
[09:31] <troy_s> murrine is turk
[09:32] <troy_s> You can change everything using the Pixbuf engine
[09:32] <TheSheep_> troy_s: pixbuf is slooow :)
[09:32] <troy_s> and then once you decide on a direction, consider the Lua engine to script it.
[09:33] <troy_s> TheSheep_: That is a legacy comment
[09:33] <TheSheep_> troy_s: of course
[09:33] <troy_s> TheSheep_: It is actually quite bloody responsive now.  In fact, the era of "slow" pixmap engine is from... god knows when
[09:33] <VeganChick> where do i find this engine?
[09:33] <PWill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/89035
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89035 in ubuntu-website "CoF icon clash frontpage (new site)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[09:33] <troy_s> VeganChick: To install a theme
[09:34] <troy_s> open up your graphical theme editor
[09:34] <troy_s> and drag the FULL gzipped tarball into the window
[09:34] <troy_s> Don't extract -- just drag.
[09:34] <TheSheep_> troy_s: that's a zip :)
[09:34] <VeganChick> troy: I did that
[09:34] <VeganChick> but it doesn't look right
[09:34] <VeganChick> I need the cgwd themer
[09:35] <VeganChick> but i can't find where to get that
[09:35] <troy_s> Design your own from using a good template
[09:35] <troy_s> Its quite simple
[09:35] <troy_s> albeit a little on the time consumption zone
[09:36] <PWill> is anyone here on the website team?
[09:36] <VeganChick> Troy_s: I would do that, but I don't know how to modify anything yet.
[09:36] <troy_s> VeganChick: It is quite simple once you look at the engine layout
[09:37] <troy_s> Just look at samples such as Neutronium for the pixbuf engine
[09:37] <troy_s> etc.
[09:37] <troy_s> Start by simply modding the png files that come with it then expand from there VeganChick
[09:38] <troy_s> _everything_ in gnome is customizable to some extent -- including layouts etc.
[09:38] <troy_s> and most of the gnome philosophy means that it is generally in plaintext format
[09:39] <TheSheep_> troy_s: well, you won't change the order of buttons to have 'ok' on the left, for example :)
[09:39] <troy_s> TheSheep_: No, correct.  Although there might be something in there for RTL no?
[09:40] <TheSheep_> troy_s: no, it's hardcoded
[09:40] <TheSheep_> troy_s: directly in the C code
[09:40] <troy_s> Well that is shameful coding.
[09:40] <TheSheep_> troy_s: of particular apps
[09:40] <troy_s> Expected, but shameful.
[09:40] <TheSheep_> that's what GNOEM HIG is for :)
[09:40] <TheSheep_> GNOME
[09:41] <troy_s> Why the feck didn't that interface markup language take off?
[09:41] <TheSheep_> troy_s: glade? it's very popular
[09:41] <troy_s> No
[09:41] <troy_s> OIML?
[09:41] <troy_s> erm... let me look
[09:41] <TheSheep_> never heard of it
[09:41] <TheSheep_> that might be part of the reason ;)
[09:42] <troy_s> uiml
[09:42] <troy_s> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=uiml
[09:42] <troy_s> i guarantee that you will find it interesting
[09:43] <TheSheep_> thank you sir
[09:43] <troy_s> I assure you that _you_ will find it quite fascinating.
[09:43] <troy_s> it generated a 'duh why hasn't someone done this yet' from me for certain
[09:44] <TheSheep_> uiml.org
[09:45] <VeganChick> All of the themes I've found only change colors.
[09:45] <VeganChick> Where do I find the Cgwd themer?
[09:45] <TheSheep_> VeganChick: the yall use the same engine
[09:46] <TheSheep_> VeganChick: I think it's included with the compiz?
[09:46] <troy_s> uiml.org is old TheSheep_
[09:46] <VeganChick> I guess I don't have compiz then
[09:46] <troy_s> VeganChick: You can only really change colour with murrine
[09:46] <troy_s> the stylings are all hard coded (with a few 'changes' you can make via the config file)
[09:46] <troy_s> SOME looks will use it as a base
[09:46] <troy_s> and Pixbuf the rest
[09:47] <troy_s> which means that you need BOTH engines installed to see the results VeganChick
[09:47] <troy_s> uiml.org moved to that latter link i gave you
[09:48] <troy_s> in fact, VeganChick there is nothing stopping you from creating a theme based on 100 engines -- your end user will need all engines installed to see the results however.
[09:50] <VeganChick> haha
[09:51] <VeganChick> I downloaded the compiz stuff available on the Synaptic Package Manager
[09:52] <VeganChick> but I still need the cgwd themer to use this theme i like
[09:54] <troy_s> VeganChick: Most everything can be changed from the command line
[09:54] <troy_s> VeganChick: I would encourage you to figure out how so you aren't relying on some extra rubbish to confuse you
[09:54] <troy_s> TheSheep_: Did I mention it is great to have you back in the fold?
[10:03] <VeganChick> the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work
[10:06] <TheSheep_> troy_s: thank you
[10:19] <TheSheep_> troy_s: hm... uiml seems like just another layer of indirection -- the real work are the peers sections
[10:20] <VeganChick> can anyone help me?
[10:20] <VeganChick> trying to install compiz, the command "compiz-tray-icon" doesn't work
[10:21] <TheSheep_> VeganChick: I don't know, but the guys at #compiz or ubuntu-glx (or was it xgl?) will surely know
[10:21] <VeganChick> there's a channel for everything...
[10:21] <VeganChick> haha
[10:21] <TheSheep_> especially on freenode :)
[10:22] <troy_s> TheSheep_: Yeah I don't know about the actual implementation, but the ideas behind it are good.
[10:22] <troy_s> TheSheep_: It seems to be a working model of a much needed descriptor
[10:23] <TheSheep_> troy_s: you know why the split html/css works so good?
[10:23] <TheSheep_> troy_s: becuse it's usually different people who program the html-spitting part and the layout
[10:23] <TheSheep_> troy_s: in case of ui the separation is not so obvious
[10:24] <TheSheep_> (but I tend to agree that it should be)
[10:28] <h4writer> #ubuntu-feisty
[10:29] <troy_s> #ubuntu-warty
[10:35] <h4writer> :p
[10:35] <troy_s> #ubuntu-hoary ;)
[10:35] <TheSheep_> #ubuntu-zippy
[10:36] <h4writer> sorry, I'm not a little bit sleepy and I just typed it. Know it is wrong, but the "enter" was already pushed;-)
[10:36] <h4writer> zippy?
[10:36] <TheSheep_> h4writer: out in 22 releases :)
[10:36] <TheSheep_> zippy zebra, probably ;)
[10:37] <h4writer> okey