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Sorry for the noise. === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:27] Mithrandir: I have a security fix for CVE-2007-1420 (DoS) for mysql-dfsg-5.0, okay to upload? === ulisse [n=ulisse@host180-122-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEDA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] how can i get a launchpad hosted bazaar archive for my mozilla packaging? [12:36] bzr [12:36] :) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] asac: 'bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/NAME-OF-SOME-LAUNCHPAD-PRODUCT/NAME-OF-BRANCH' [12:38] asac: or replace ~asac with ~TEAMNAME if you want it to be writeable by other members of a team [12:38] just do that in a bzr branch you have on your disk and it'll magically appea [12:38] r [12:38] cjwatson: so just push? without registering product? [12:39] cool [12:39] no, the product needs to exist first [12:39] should be one for firefox already though surely [12:39] hmm [12:39] ok [12:39] namely 'firefox' [12:39] so bzr archives are bound to product [12:39] right === asac still confused about products/teams/projects and whats the difference [12:40] it's easy to create a product though if need be [12:40] e.g. from technical perspective [12:40] ok, so [12:41] products => single upstream things. Firefox is a product. mplayer is a product. totem is a product. etc. [12:41] projects => collections of upstream things that are closely related. Mozilla, GNOME, d-i, etc. are projects [12:42] bzr branches are associated with products because the bulk of bzr branches are expected to be branches from imports of upstream code, which is going to be of a particular product [12:43] people/teams are a different ... I believe the term in LP-speak is "pillar" [12:44] Beware, products are currently being renamed to projects, and projects to project groups. [12:44] different category, anyway. Person => generally a human, though some people in LP are automatic imports that basically just model an e-mail address [12:44] There's a lot of ambiguity on beta at the moment. [12:44] hmmm so why is ~asac ~teamname in the bzr url? where do people sync from? not just http://bazaar.launchpad.net/NAME-OF-SOME-LAUNCHPAD-PRODUCT/NAME-OF-BRANCH [12:44] team => collection of people; generally you ought to be able to use people and teams interchangeably in almost any context in LP [12:45] asac: just s/sftp/http/ - it's like public_html [12:45] is it just a permission thing? [12:45] ah ok [12:45] yeah, pretty much [12:45] ok ... i think i get it [12:45] it's like a g+w directory in public_html with the relevant group [12:45] multiple users / teams could have their own branch of a product [12:45] not implemented that way, but never mind [12:46] right, exactly [12:46] but is there an url for the ULTIMATE master branch ;) [12:47] well, it's distributed VC, so not really :-) you see ~vcs-imports sometimes though, which corresponds to bzr imports of upstream CVS or svn or whatever [12:47] I think firefox has been too huge and complicated to import up to now [12:48] see also BzrMaintainedPackages on the wiki for some links you can follow into how people are using this stuff in practice in Ubuntu === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] [12:49] hmm, I should update those URLs === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] halp === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-bed4c9fce06fa05d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-fe2fa7fbc6f00519] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] cjwatson: the idea would be to just upload debian directory and maintain patches inside it [01:02] asac: That's the `merge' functionality of bzr-builddeb. [01:02] cjwatson: its not for current package which is a sinking ship, but for a new great future :) [01:02] Fujitsu: he? 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I can make a uvf later if really needed, upstream has been really pushing to get the stable branch updates in === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A71F3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cliebow__ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk_ [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire__ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-280a86cbba31c383] has joined #ubuntu-devel === russel1 [n=russell@232-74-74-65.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-d0d8410855453c79] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB79B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === russel1 [n=russell@232-74-74-65.gci.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mempf [n=chatzill@S0106000129f69144.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok_ [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rourke [i=rourke@gateway/tor/x-82afe91565016a1d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:56] in default dapper and edgy, freetype's "without_bytecode_interpreter" variable is set to 0 or 1? === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-d80241ca80edfad9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-432b67f9db9a5b74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire__ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire__ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrcsparker [n=parkerc@cpe-72-177-188-137.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] Good morning [07:51] Hi pitti. [07:51] hey Fujitsu [07:52] hi pitti [07:53] in default dapper and edgy, freetype's "without_bytecode_interpreter" variable is set to 0 or 1? [07:58] keescook: sure, feel free to upload. [07:59] Fujitsu: please don't upload multiple items with the same version numbers. It confuses the archive admins. [07:59] Fujitsu: I've rejected one of them, I'm hoping for the right one === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] Mithrandir: Ah, I presumed it had overwritten. Sorry. [08:03] (I would have thought it wouldn't have accepted two of them, but I thought I'd try) [08:04] no, both end up in unapproved. I call it a design bug. [08:04] That is a little silly, IMO. [08:04] yes, it is. [08:04] no timestamp? [08:04] btw, moins all === Hobbsee is back. [08:05] hopefully i wont get kicked out of here so quickly. [08:05] imbrandon: they're timestamped, so that bit is fine. Still annoying. [08:05] Hobbsee! :-) [08:05] Mithrandir, ahh true === LongPointyStick hugs Mithrandir [08:06] Argh, attack of the clones. === Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir :) [08:07] You did accept the right one, Mithrandir. Thanks, and sorry. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.104.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rourke [i=rourke@gateway/tor/x-82afe91565016a1d] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] bhale: changelog says * Update relibtoolize.dpatch, but it's disabled in 00list. Is that on purpose? === jpon [n=jpniane@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] Riddell: qt4-x11 FTBFS with references to your home directory. === timfrost [n=tim@125-238-177-40.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-133-166.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=73f64674@adsl-68-123-26-100.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndrewB [n=andy@tuxhacker/pdpc.supporter.student.AndrewB] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] slomo__: could you do a MIR for libxml-twig-perl? It seems to be needed for libnet-dbus-perl. === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@158.215-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire__ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-7df9343e7e39dbe3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-197-231.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-7-113.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OpenNo [n=As@219-89-21-152.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] sup geeks [09:19] ... [09:20] hobbsee my ol mate. [09:20] oh...i know who you are... [09:21] who am I? [09:21] do we even exist? [09:21] lol sorry dude. How you been keeping? === _human_blip_away [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] just fine, thanks [09:22] why are you back here? === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F70BDC.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] huh? [09:22] Because I have the right to be here. [09:22] good morning [09:23] hey dholbach! [09:23] Hi dholbach. === francis [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] OpenNo: okay, just dont troll. and i remember you from months ago. [09:23] hey Hobbsee, hey Fujitsu === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] hey dholbach dude, what's happenin man? [09:24] I brought Vista on DVD and deleted it after first day. It chokes man. [09:24] i'm just waking up and ready for the day :) [09:24] morning dholbach [09:24] hey mdke [09:24] heya mdke [09:24] dholbach: what's the status in terms of freezes and such for an ubuntu-docs upload? [09:25] mdke: we're in main freeze at least. ask a member of the release team [09:25] mdke: we're frozen for beta, but if you think it's necessary for the docs to go in, you have to talk to Mithrandir [09:25] mdke: I'm fine with docs being uploaded if you'd want them in for beta. [09:25] Mithrandir: we have some new strings I'd like to get into the archive asap [09:26] mdke: ok, i'll do an update then [09:26] sure, talk to dholbach or whoever usually sponsors you. [09:26] thanks dudes [09:26] I found a bug in my Coffee. [09:27] OpenNo: hooray. #ubuntu-offtopic === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant [09:28] OpenNo: the topic indicates that this channel is for development discussions of ubuntu - if you have nothing worthwhile to add, please don't disturb the rest of us === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [09:28] OpenNo: please stay on topic or leave the channel. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@219-89-21-152.dialup.xtra.co.nz] by Hobbsee === OpenNo was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by Hobbsee (Hobbsee) [09:28] thanks Hobbsee === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] bloody trolls [09:28] Mithrandir: You know he's been here before a number of times, right? [09:28] pity i cant kickban on sight. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mvo [n=egon@p54A67F5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] hey mvo [09:29] hey dholbach [09:29] ah, here we go. predictable, he's gone to #ubuntu-ops [09:29] Is it publically logged? [09:30] mdke: can you add something like export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach' [09:30] export DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com' to your ~/.bashrc ? [09:30] mdke: the changelog says matt@kalliope again === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] Fujitsu: somewhere. just join [09:31] dholbach: whoosh [09:31] sorry [09:31] np [09:34] Mithrandir: and he's gone from the entire network. nice. :D [09:37] mdke: -> query === _human_blip_away [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] Hobbsee: i can kb on host recognition, but i don't feel like scripting the bits to get a +o to actually do it. [09:38] heh [09:38] torpor FTW! === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590c4121.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p85.212.4.232.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] mdke: i sent you a list of files that are not in server guide any more - I suppose you've rushed off to work. I'll upload it now, the docs work for me. If stuff breaks, drop me a mail and I'll update it again === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] mdke: glad to see that was alright [09:49] yep, all good [09:50] Mithrandir: if you can poke it through as/when necessary, that'd be great [09:50] sure [09:51] what is the correct format for an automatic bug-closing entry in the package changelog? === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:51] I've tried some but they don't work === [arcturus] [n=arcturus@goonie.us.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] tepsipakki: correct [09:53] tepsipakki: the LP side isn't implemented [09:53] tepsipakki: if you do (LP: #bugnum) you should get a Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: field in your .changes, but it won't do anything else yet (like actually close bugs) [09:54] oh, ok [09:54] I thought it was in use already.. that's the format I've used recently === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire__ [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] hi asac === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@frnk-590c4121.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] Mithrandir: I have a new xresprobe & xorg waiting for upload. The xresprobe situation should be familiar from the discussion on u-d, and xorg fixes two bugs [10:16] so should I ask for approval first? [10:18] hmm, no cdimage /ports/edubuntu? [10:18] never built [10:19] ok, thanks, ignoring for langpack filling then [10:19] tepsipakki: ok, please get it uploaded. [10:21] Mithrandir: I've uploaded a new GTK+, 2.10.11 is 2.10.10 with a bug fix we already had and I've added an another patch from upstream (which is to SVN now) to try fixing all the gnome-panel crashes happening on upgrade [10:23] seb128: wonderful [10:23] release team: what about bug 92183? (maybe after beta freeze) [10:23] Malone bug 92183 in workrave "UVF: workrave 1.8.3 -> 1.8.4" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92183 === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] dholbach: scarily big is my initial thought === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-20.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Mithrandir: i know... we've waited for a release for quite a long time - I think I forwarded some of the bugs that got fixed during breezy === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-244-121.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] dholbach: if we can get it well tested, I'm ok with it, but I think it's a bit on the large side. [10:30] Mithrandir: well tested like "upload it and if people complain about bugs too much, roll back"? [10:31] Mithrandir: policy issue, stick with upstream, or remain consistent with Ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/bugs/91665 [10:31] Malone bug 91665 in mesa "glxgears -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark patch dropped" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [10:31] dholbach: for instance. [10:32] Mithrandir: ok, I'll keep looking at those bugs (and upload after beta - or do you want me to do it earlier?) [10:32] sladen: *shrug*; I don't really care either way. [10:32] dholbach: post-beta, yes. [10:32] ok [10:32] no need to carry diff for that imho [10:34] I get this "ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xCC07" with a test machine with 2.6.20-11 [10:34] works with -9 [10:35] Mithrandir: seb128: rock. ta [10:35] np === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] sladen: BTW if you could look at the list of similar bugs displayed on launchpad when opening one that would be nice, you tend to file a lot of dup [10:36] dholbach: it seems related to the changes kyle did on HPA [10:36] dholbach: i get something similar too, but my disks keep working [10:36] bug 84359 [10:36] Malone bug 84359 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xD407" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84359 [10:37] *subscribing to it* [10:38] Mithrandir: do you think we can upload the new d-i to grab 2.6.20-11 ? === lmanul [n=manu@194.230.53.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] fabbione: I'd like cjwatson to do the steps, unless he's busy today. [10:40] Mithrandir: sure.. that works for me [10:40] mvo: I'll need to upload *-meta soon for language input support; we should combine that with your command-not-found upload IMHO [10:41] pitti: yes, that sounds good [10:42] Mithrandir: is there anything in main using libnet-dbus-perl anyway? [10:42] pitti: I haven't updated the seeds yet, I will do that after I finished fighting with vte (~5min) [10:42] mvo: I can add it for you if you want [10:42] mvo: just adding (command-not-found) to standard? [10:42] pitti: yeah, cool [10:42] pitti: thanks! === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] seb128: I like dups. I actual get useful new information from each one and an overview of the scale of the issue, rather than "me too!"s from people who /think/ they have the same bug [10:48] sladen: we don't like dups so please don't file them for the fun [10:48] there, NEW and unapproved queue published as ubuntu-archive and not me. [10:48] sladen: the dup flood makes almost impossible to get any work done [10:48] seb128: preference noted WRT to desktop bugs [10:48] Mithrandir: should network-manager respect interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and leave them alone? or this this not done yet? [10:49] Mithrandir: \o/ [10:49] mvo: what do you mean by "respect interfaces in /e/n/i"? [10:49] mvo: if they only have 'dhcp auto' without options, n-m will manage them [10:49] mvo: if you go Network Manager->Static Connection, does NM then respect that interface? [10:49] mvo: otherwise they should be ignored by n-m [10:50] Mithrandir: I noticed that after my last big upgrade my eth0 interface that has a static IP is not having a IP anymore when NM is runing [10:50] pitti: no, I tweaked the logic slightly. [10:50] Mithrandir: do you know when the first beta candidates will be available? [10:50] mvo: ah, right, same here; n-m only has the concept of 'one active interface', it seems [10:50] pochu: maybe today, more likely monday. [10:50] Mithrandir: oh, you manage static interfaces now? [10:50] Mithrandir: ok, thanks! [10:51] Mithrandir: I thought the idea was just to check whether they are active, but not mangle them? [10:51] pitti: yes, at least some bits of it. Or at least it considers them and thereby avoids marking the whole system as offline. === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] mvo: will you take care of writing a MIR for command-not-found? [10:53] mvo: oh, nevermind, it's already approved [10:53] mvo: "not ready according to mvo; contact him before promoting" [10:53] pitti: cool [10:55] mvo: ok, seeded, I'll promote it now [10:56] sladen: its very strange, its in roaming mode when I look at the static configuration [10:57] pitti: aha, right. I have the same problem. I can only choose one active interface, the other is taken offline [10:58] mvo: that is how NM works. Currently, if you don't want that, don't use NM. [10:58] mvo: I had to purge n-m for that on my desktop [10:58] you can just disable it instead of purging it. [10:58] right, but I don't need it anyway [10:59] Mithrandir: ok, thanks [10:59] maybe we should use our fancy laptop-detect scripts to only enable n-m on laptops [10:59] and even when you /do/ want to roam, sometimes NM just refuses to configure stuff and you need to do things manually (particulary if it involves keys, which it puts in a keyring and which are protected and you don't enter the passphrase quick enough) === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] sladen: or if you need to do fancy stuff with wpa_supplicant [11:03] patches accepted for all those special cases. [11:04] well, there is a patch for my problem somewhere on the nm-devel list ... [11:05] but its for 6.5 ... [11:06] well there was the idea of providing a "I'm online!" button in the applet which would serve as a workaround [11:07] or maybe a option to disable network manager in the applet ... that would help, too === lmanul_ [n=manu@194.230.53.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] fabbione: yeah, but I want to see if I can do anything about the keymapper us/jp confusion first [11:11] hey heno! Vorian says he can test Kubuntu, do I change his choice, and mail him? [11:11] cjwatson: sure.. [11:11] heno: we really need kubuntu auto-resize === mafix [n=marfix@213.144.142.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] pochu: yes, please do. I think we may still get more ubuntu testers [11:12] k [11:12] Mithrandir: could you please accept vte? a very small change that fixes a bug in the keep-fd code that is needed for update-manager === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] mvo: accepted [11:15] Mithrandir: thanks \o/ === ogra cant belive the iso builds from tonight are right .... at least not the edubuntu desktop ones .... no oversizedness at all ... [11:18] ogra: they don't contain any langpacks. [11:18] Mithrandir, not even the ones i seeded ? [11:18] why is that ? [11:18] ogra: when did you seed them? [11:18] ogra: I just filled them again [11:18] Mithrandir, yesterady [11:18] ogra: I told you yesterday, remember? [11:19] ogra: I emptied all CDs to have a clean slate, and today I filled them again with the new priority/input support/etc. [11:19] pitti, i merged your ubuntu change, which enabled them again for me (i only had en enabled since feisty started) [11:19] ogra: now I'm waiting for this cron.daily cycle, then I can update some -meta pacakges, then I'll ask for respins === ogra goes to check the packagelist .... i'm sure i enabled langpacks in the live seed [11:20] ogra: ok, please; I modified the seeds about an hour ago, and assume that the current seeds reflected the current CD sizes [11:20] pitti, ok [11:21] there is only en ... weird ... [11:21] * Languages: zh es bn hi ar xh pt ru ja fr [11:21] * language-pack-${Languages} [i386] [11:21] * language-pack-gnome-${Languages} [i386] [11:21] * language-pack-kde-${Languages} [i386] [11:22] thats my seeds [11:22] Mithrandir: I'd like to upload a new desktop-effects to fix bug 92681; I just modified a label in the .glade file [11:22] Malone bug 92681 in desktop-effects "Must warn user before attempting to enable" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92681 [11:22] ogra: erm, those are not the ones I modified [11:22] pitti: ok. [11:22] ogra: you need *lots* of input support for zh, ja, and some for bn, hi, ar, and ru [11:23] pitti, anyway, this change was yesterday and todays build of edubuntu doesnt have them ... smells like the livefs isnt respun properly [11:23] ogra: your checkout is old. [11:23] ogra: hm, did you really push the seed commits? [11:23] Mithrandir, ? i do a bzr update before i modify anything [11:24] ogra: what revision are you on? [11:24] pitti, pretty sure, regarding the huge list of changes my -meta had === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491F87D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] 573 [11:24] that's old. [11:24] 577 is the latest. [11:24] pitti: if -meta is not yet up, I would like to add update-manager-core to -standard as well === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] ogra: you sure you created your seed checkout using 'bzr checkout', not 'bzr branch'? [11:24] ogra: you sure you created your seed checkout using 'bzr checkout', not 'bzr branch(or synonyms) [11:25] pitti: its required for release-upgrades on the server with the upgrade tool [11:25] ogra: 574 was my cleanup [11:25] (sorry, wireless problems and hideous ssh lag to my client) [11:25] cjwatson, pretty sure ... [11:25] mvo: sure, go ahead [11:25] i mean irt worked all the release :) [11:25] well, work it out and fix it. you're in the best position to do so now that you know your checkout is out of date === [arcturus] [n=arcturus@goonie.us.es] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [11:27] Mithrandir: d-e uploaded === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] mvo: I was looking at bug 91329 but realised it affected the gtk frontend too, where on earth has xinput gone? [11:33] Malone bug 91329 in language-selector "[apport] qt-language-selector crashed with OSError in __input_method_config_changed()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91329 [11:34] Mithrandir: there's a 2-line hotkey-setup patch in the queue to prevent upgrades from failing [11:35] Mithrandir: 2-line mesa upload in the queue to make GoogleEarth useable on feisty === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] sladen: already approved [11:37] the mesa one === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D85DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] but it's neither just two lines nor in the queue yet :) [11:40] tepsipakki: mesa is in accepted already [11:41] sladen: hotkey-setup, accepted. [11:41] Mithrandir: groovy, ta [11:41] pitti: ah, darn === tepsipakki stops doing duplicate work [11:42] tepsipakki: 'darn'? we can reject it from approved if it's broken [11:42] Riddell: checking [11:42] pitti: no not that, it's good. Just that I started doing it already :) [11:42] tepsipakki: meh, sorry, I thought it was the upload from you, the diff was at least the same. [11:42] it's cool [11:43] pitti: desktop-effects accepted. [11:43] merci [11:43] tepsipakki: ah, did you beat me to it :) [11:43] Mithrandir: is there anything wrong with this command? change-override.py -c main -S command-not-found [11:43] sladen: no, you did :) [11:44] I was just slow [11:44] Mithrandir: I did it two times now, cron.daily is over for a long time already, and it's still in universe [11:44] tepsipakki: would have been quicker, bar the 60 minute wait while it built locally so I could test it. X got modularised, so they made mesa monolithic just to make up for it [11:44] heh [11:45] well, I didn't reply to the bug so my bad [11:46] pitti: no, looks correct. I re-ran it for good measure [11:46] weird [11:50] Mithrandir: no, missed readding it [11:50] Mithrandir: fixing [11:50] Mithrandir: oh, it's actually promoted; it's just madison lying [11:50] (lieing? argh) [11:50] seb128, dholbach: having a very weird GNOME Terminal/vte bug [11:50] Keybuk: refresh not correct sometimes? [11:51] when switching desktops, it doesn't repaint at all [11:51] ^ speaking of that, my terminals still don't redraw correctly [11:51] Keybuk: known [11:51] so I'm left with a white window [11:51] pitti: known [11:51] right, same here [11:51] or, if the workspace switcher window was slightly over it, just that bit [11:51] seb128: do you still need a test case or do you have one? [11:51] ah, coolies [11:51] pitti: (lying) [11:51] pitti: would be better with one [11:51] seb128: I didn't find an immediate reproducer [11:51] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/92405 [11:51] Malone bug 92405 in vte "[Feisty] gnome-terminal doesn't always redraw after switching desktops" [High,Confirmed] [11:52] ah [11:52] seb128: just letting it sit on another workspace while I work, and switchign to it after, say 15 minutes, reproduces it [11:52] looks like upstream got details [11:52] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414716 [11:52] Gnome bug 414716 in VteTerminal "Refresh issue after changing workspaces" [Normal,Assigned] === Keybuk targets it [11:52] pitti: no need to bother [11:52] yay [11:52] mvo: ok, -metas are good to refresh now; do you, shall I? [11:52] Keybuk: I already did, no? [11:53] seb128: maybe, it wasn't there; but LP has been dropping status edits recently [11:53] anyway it's on my list [11:53] it'll be fixed for feisty [11:53] thanks seb [11:53] do we really need to get it fixed for beta? [11:53] np [11:53] we don't have a release milestone yet :p [11:53] we do [11:53] Mithrandir: 00list fixed, uploaded [11:53] I'm using 7.04 for weeks now [11:54] Keybuk: meh? [11:54] I've a good bunch of desktop bugs there [11:54] oh, silly me [11:54] ubuntu-7.04 [11:54] I didn't go that far down the list [11:54] I'll retarget it to that [11:54] seb128, do you want the patch from bug 67919 for beta ? [11:54] Malone bug 67919 in gnome-screensaver "Xinerama problem with log out and unlock dialogues" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67919 [11:54] Keybuk: right, yay for inconsistent naming :) [11:54] ogra: after beta is fine I think [11:54] ok [11:55] ogra: but if you want to do that now feel free ;) [11:55] i'm just looking through the screensaver bugs for patches .... if i find something else additionally i'll roll a package [11:56] pitti: try 'rm -rf .madison-lite/cache' if that happens [11:56] ogra: ok, cool === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] hmm, an automatic "bugs with patches attached" search feature would be really nice [11:56] I think it can sometimes screw up its timestamps if you run madison-lite right while the mirror is updating [11:56] pitti: (and "lying" is correct) [11:56] cjwatson: ah, thanks for the hint; indeed it works now [11:57] pitti: go ahead, fine with me [11:57] ogra: there is a "look only for bugs with patch" case you can use on launchpad search === ogra checks [11:58] wow [11:58] indeed, it searches for bugs with attachments where the attacher checked the patch checkbox === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@205.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gismo_ [n=stef@89.28.145.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] hmm, that's a bit poo [12:06] Cherry don't seem to make the G80-3000 anymore :-/ [12:08] mvo: u-manager-core isn't for kubuntu/edubuntu? [12:10] urgh, my bad [12:10] mvo: oh, nevermind [12:10] Keybuk, build it yourself then http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml ;) [12:10] mvo: -standard is shared amongst all derivatives [12:10] ogra: that requires a keyboard to start from [12:10] pitti: ah, good. that is what I expected, but you made me nervous :) [12:10] the problem is that I've managed to wear this one out [12:11] the space bar has a tendancy to repeat [12:11] admittedly this keyboard is anything from 4-8 years old now [12:11] and is the third G80-3000 I've owned [12:11] ah === ogra has a shitty cheap sun usb keyboard under his fingers [12:12] Mithrandir: new {,k}ubuntu-meta uploaded (adding input support for shipped translations, command-not-found, and update-manager-core for mvo) === pitti pats his Kinesis Ergo -- takes a while to get used to, but it's just *great* [12:12]