[12:44] <nixternal> Laser_away: ubuntu-docs package doesn't install a .desktop file, so that is coming from somewhere else.
[12:44] <nixternal> But that doesn't matter, just tell me where this .desktop file is supposed to go and that is all I need to know, what dir is it going into
[12:51] <dsas> nixternal: it's installed by gnome-panel if you're talking about about-ubuntu.desktop
[12:54] <dsas> but I guess edubuntu-docs is the correct place for the edubuntu one, as long as gnome-panel is patched to look for it
[12:54] <dsas> ubuntu-docs is probably the right package to install the about-ubuntu.desktop too really...
[12:58] <LaserJock> dsas: yeah
[12:58] <LaserJock> gnome-panels is what sets up the menu
[12:58] <LaserJock> so it kinda makes some sense to put it in gnome-panels-data
[12:58] <LaserJock> but we need to keep things a bit tighter
[01:28] <dsas> who do I have to bug to get revert rights on h.u.c ?
[01:28] <LaserJock> revert?
[01:28] <LaserJock> probably mdke or Burgundivia
[01:28] <dsas> I want to revert a wikipage from rev 46 to 44
[01:28] <LaserJock> are you a member of the wiki team?
[01:29] <LaserJock> I honestly don't know how the ACLs on h.u.c are set
[01:29] <dsas> LaserJock: I'll try that.
[01:30] <dsas> bah, moderated team.
[01:31] <dsas> if someone who does have rights could revert https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/CompaqW200?action=info to revision 44 I'd be greatful :)
[01:31] <dsas> I could do it manually I guess.
[02:16] <bimberi> dsas: I can do it (although by the looks of the comments I'm too late)
[02:17] <dsas> yeah, thanks for the offer anyway bimberi, I just did things the "manual" way
[02:18] <bimberi> Righto.
[02:23] <bimberi> dsas, LaserJock: delete/rename/revert rights on h.u.c/c are assigned by someone with administrative access to Moin.  mdke has it (iirc). Not sure who else.
[02:24] <bimberi> it's intended that it be linked to membership of the LP wiki team but I'm fairly sure it's not been implemented.
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> There used to be a wiki page detailling how to port ubuntu to a new platform. does anyone know what happened to it? i'v been sewarching for about 30 min and cant see a sign of it
[08:52] <mdke> morning
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[09:24] <CIA-5> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3985 / (26 files in 20 dirs):
[09:24] <CIA-5> Ubuntu Documentation: * large string changes to windows.xml, as discussed on mailing list
[09:24] <CIA-5> Ubuntu Documentation: * refreshing pot templates
[09:25] <Madpilot> spambot
[09:25] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> when did -docs grow another bot?
[09:26] <Madpilot> fairly recently
[09:26] <mdke> it took many months to add it but we've been looking for it for ages
[09:26] <mdke> it's pretty cool!
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. i only just saw one in another chanel... i feel like i'm being stalked by CIA-* bots ;)
[09:29] <Madpilot> of course the CIA is watching you. We're all Communist penguin-lovin' Open Source freaks, right?
[09:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/O*/Free/g
[07:57] <XiXaQ> should this page really be on help.ubuntu.com? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VHCS
[07:58] <LaserJock> nixternal: got a sec?
[08:00] <mdke> XiXaQ: well, the subject matter looks right. It's pretty ugly though
[08:02] <XiXaQ> I think it should be on the wiki instead.
[08:03] <LaserJock> why?
[08:05] <XiXaQ> because it doesn't explain anything, and it sais it's a work in progress.
[08:05] <LaserJock> so?
[08:06] <Burgwork> XiXaQ: feel free to edit it
[08:06] <Burgwork> in progress is from may of last year
[08:06] <LaserJock> help.u.c vs wiki.u.c is help documentation vs developer documentation not good doc vs. bad doc
[08:07] <XiXaQ> oh
[09:06] <nixternal> LaserJock: yo yo
[10:26] <LaserJock> nixternal: sorry, was picking up my car from the shop
[10:26] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you have a chance to look at the About Edubuntu stuff?
[10:32] <nixternal> LaserJock: I just need to know where to place that .desktop file. telling me gnome-panel doesn't help
[10:32] <nixternal> need the absolute directory
[10:32] <dsas> could someone revert RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs to revision 18 or so?
[10:33] <nixternal> I can't do anything on h.u.c/community
[10:33] <nixternal> I can edit a page and that is it
[10:33] <dsas> can anyone? :(
[10:33] <nixternal> rediculous the way it is setup
[10:33] <dsas> someone removed the post-dapper instructions for reading dvds anyway.
[10:33] <nixternal> call it community documentation yet it is restricted
[10:36] <dsas> oh hang on.
[10:36] <dsas> i'm losing my mind.
[10:36] <nixternal> heh
[10:36] <dsas> do you need libdvdread3 *and* libdvdcss2 ?
[10:37] <nixternal> dsas: I don't think so, but I am not 100% positive
[10:38] <nixternal> hehe
[10:39] <LaserJock> well there are a few issues with the wiki stuff
[10:39] <LaserJock> the problem is that right now it's sort of "all or nothing"
[10:39] <nixternal> LaserJock: I need a MOTU mentor! I am going for MOTU this next build cycle no matter what!
[10:40] <LaserJock> so people who can delete, etc. have virtually complete admin rights to the wiki
[10:40] <nixternal> I can't do anything but edit
[10:40] <LaserJock> right
[10:40] <nixternal> which defeats the purpose, but who am I?
[10:40] <LaserJock> the plan is to let all wiki team members have delete/rename, etc. rights
[10:40] <LaserJock> it's not designed that way
[10:40] <LaserJock> it's a bug
[10:41] <LaserJock> one that is not easy to fix apparently
[10:41] <nixternal> ya, for about 6 months now
[10:41] <nixternal> hehe
[10:41] <nixternal> you beat me to the punch on that one
[10:41] <nixternal> we need to update moin as well or switch to mediawiki
[10:41] <LaserJock> yes that's another item
[10:42] <LaserJock> it's all Canonical so it's a bit tough
[10:43] <LaserJock> well, there used to be problems
[10:43] <LaserJock> we couldn't easily upgrade moin
[10:43] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if it was because ubuntu.com was running moin or not
[10:43] <nixternal> MoinMoin is a pain to admin, I will give them that
[10:43] <nixternal> we use it at school and recently did an upgrade to the latest version
[10:43] <nixternal> it wasn't fun, but it wasn't that crazy
[10:44] <LaserJock> we might be able to do better now
[10:44] <LaserJock> but it still means getting sysadmins to do it
[10:44] <LaserJock> we've wanted to upgrade for over a year now
[10:44] <dsas> haven't they upped their sysadmin power over the last few months though? I think there's 3 of them now...
[10:44] <nixternal> ya, and towards the end of a build cycle isn't the best time for them either I am sure
[10:44] <LaserJock> and Corey keeps wanting to move to mediawiki ;-)
[10:44] <LaserJock> dsas: yes
[10:44] <nixternal> LaserJock: sabdfl wants to move to mediawiki
[10:45] <LaserJock> which is funny
[10:45] <nixternal> he stated it in a blog post about 6 months back
[10:45] <LaserJock> since the reason we went with Moin was because they wouldn't let PHP on the Canonical servers
[10:46] <LaserJock> we've got so much data, it's not easy to just up and migrate
[10:46] <LaserJock> we'll probably have to discuss it for Feisty+1
[10:47] <nixternal> and feisty+2, feisty+3, and so on... ;p
[10:47] <LaserJock> nah
[10:48] <LaserJock> one of the reasons we stayed with Moin is because it was better for developer work, I think
[10:48] <LaserJock> now that we have help.u.c we can separate the 2
[10:49] <LaserJock> but then we put quite some effort into moin->docbook
[10:49] <LaserJock> I really like moin for personal use (Desktop Moin)
[10:49] <nixternal> really?
[10:49] <dsas> and there's possibly the launchpad -> Moin integration
[10:49] <nixternal> I was thinking about using it
[10:50] <LaserJock> for personal use it's great because you just drop it in and go
[10:50] <LaserJock> no MySQL or Apache or anything
[10:50] <dsas> dvd page is fixed I think.
[10:50] <dsas> doesn't kde have a equivalent to tomboy?
[10:50] <LaserJock> basket
[10:50] <LaserJock> perhaps
[10:50] <LaserJock> I think that's how it's spelled
[10:51] <nixternal> basket is correct, but far from equivalent to tomboy
[10:51] <nixternal> basket is way more involved and complicated. you can do so much with it, but hell it is nuts
[10:51] <LaserJock> I so wish I could get tomboy for OS X
[10:51] <dsas> sounds like kde </troll>
[10:51] <nixternal> I like tomboy because 1) super easy, and 2) wiki effect
[10:52] <dsas> I still use a scattering of text files and paper notes.
[10:52] <nixternal> hrmm, actually I have looked at tomboy and noticed it is a fairly straight forward and easily coded app, wonder how difficult it is to port from gtK to Qt
[10:52] <dsas> nixternal: does qt have mono bindings?
[10:53] <Burgwork> nixternal: use basket
[10:53] <nixternal> dsas: yes
[10:53] <dsas> cool, didn't know that
[10:53] <nixternal> Burgwork: basket is more than what I need
[10:53] <Burgwork> KDE is more than I need
[10:53] <nixternal> more than what many people need
[10:54] <Burgwork> indeed, why I use GNOME :)
[10:54] <nixternal> sorry, been 10 years with KDE. I won't go anywhere else :)
[10:54] <nixternal> I would rather use Vista :)
[10:55] <dsas> ouch.
[10:55] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinX
[10:55] <LaserJock> yep
[10:56] <LaserJock> I used it a fair bit
[10:56] <LaserJock> works very well
[10:56] <nixternal> ahh, I just brain farted
[10:56] <LaserJock> but not quite as light as tomboy
[10:56] <nixternal> you said tomboy for mac, not moin
[10:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:56] <LaserJock> although it's sorta similar