=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-021-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AEDA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-038-187.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-047-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danohuiginn [n=ant@p54BEECC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] halp [12:58] how would i get a gnome-panel widget to display a popup [12:58] aka use libnotify to display some msg [01:02] Fujitsu: what do you think my chances are of getting them to make source packages dget'able from LP? [01:02] or maybe wget'able [01:02] they are wgettable... [01:03] LaserJock: I'd thought of filing a bug about that, but then decided the chances of it happening were too low. [01:03] using a 3-step copy paste :D [01:03] LaserJock: You might want to ask in #launchpad. [01:03] or scraping the LP URL [01:03] dscrape :) [01:03] Fujitsu: I've been thinking about it too [01:03] it just seems so unhelpful to split them up like that [01:04] I was thinking maybe it'd be possible to either tar them up in one big file [01:04] It'd be nice to be able to do something like `dget lp:package/version', like you can with bzr, or even `dget http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/package/version', but having them gettable using normal dget would be the first step. [01:04] dgettable! ;) [01:04] moins all === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] sistpoty: I like it! [01:05] Fujitsu: dget? definitely... it's even shorter to type than fetch_package.py :) [01:05] hi imbrandon === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-020-142.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] anybody got a clue on how to disable NetworkManager without uninstalling it? [01:15] LaserJock: You can put something in /etc/network/interfaces [01:15] RAOF: That doesn't work in Feisty. [01:15] But it occurs to me that that's not what you're after. [01:15] yeah, that just makes it mad [01:15] Fujitsu: Oh, cool. That's a recent change, though, right? [01:15] :-) [01:15] Gah, where are the initscripts for it these days? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AD448.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] all I see are regular networking initscripts [01:16] There used to be NetworkManager, but not any more. [01:16] yeah, it's been too integrated for me to find [01:17] <_MMA_> LaserJock: TheMuso is actually showing me how to stop the daemon but I should still file a bug about this. [01:17] hmm, I found the NM applet autostart .desktop [01:17] Ah: [01:17] /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ [01:17] If you modify the two NM things in there to make it not start, it won't start. [01:17] LaserJock: That's jut the applet. [01:17] yeah, I was poking in there but I have no idea what I'd do [01:18] Sticking an exit 0; on top might help. [01:18] well, it should be easier then that, that's all I gotta say [01:18] Fujitsu: chmod -x also works for the files in /etc/dbus1/event.d [01:18] You could always remove it, you know. [01:18] yeah [01:18] but that takes out ubuntu-desktop [01:19] ... that's just stupid. [01:19] and ubuntu-desktop is nice to have around when you're doing a lot of updating [01:19] LaserJock: chmod -x /etc/dbus-1/event.d/22dhcdbd and the one for network manager [01:20] I've done this before with no problems. [01:20] that'll kill just NM or is more taken out? [01:20] Just nm afaik. [01:21] hehe, I just do a doc string freeze exception just for that little nugget ;-) [01:21] I never use GNOME, but on my notebook I found that the ethernet interface came up as soon as I connected the cable, which I didn't want. [01:21] SO I disabled the 22dhcdbd [01:22] do you use any DE normally or just CLI [01:22] LaserJock: CLI the vast majority of the time. [01:22] If I use GUI, its on another box and I mostly use my eyes. [01:22] what do you use for browsing? [01:22] yeah, I remember at Paris you used your eyes a lot it seemed [01:22] looked painful actually [01:22] elinks [01:23] LaserJock: Back then I was in a rather bad habbit. === jdong_ [n=jdong@216.118.117.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] WHich I have almost got rid of completely. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] SOmetimes I find looking at things helps me think clearer about something. [01:23] WHich I am trying to change. [01:23] interesting [01:24] Yeah. [01:24] I actually find it hard to use speech alone when writing any form of code. [01:25] hmm, is that because coding is more spatial, rather than auditory? [01:25] Don't know. [01:26] Probably. [01:26] well, I'm trying to use elinks on LP right now [01:26] I don't know the keyboard commands all that well [01:26] Works rather well actually, if you have it built with javascript support. [01:26] but it seem actually pretty decent [01:26] Its very customizable., [01:27] do you know if the default Feisty package has javascript support? [01:27] It doesn't. [01:27] ah [01:27] And it would be a big mess to try and get it to do so. [01:27] TheMuso: Why the mess [01:27] *? [01:27] I just grab it from git and build it myself. [01:27] Fujitsu: xullrunner/libmozjs [01:28] Oh. [01:28] That'd do it. [01:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 kill -9 ftw === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] imbrandon: is that that rap thing? [01:29] Fujitsu: Its very fun building elinks on a system that also has firefox installed. [01:29] WxorX, yea [01:29] "rap" [01:29] watched that a week back, pretty amusing [01:30] imbrandon: I saw that a week or so ago. Pretty good. [01:31] darn, it's always a bit sad to see when users recommend people *not* user our packages [01:31] LaserJock: Where's this? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] Hm, it only had 9.5k views when I last looked. A little different now. [01:31] Fujitsu: forums, maxima [01:31] Oh gawd. === Fujitsu looks. [01:31] What's the complaint this time? [01:31] ever since that bug [01:31] Ah. [01:31] Bug #43150? [01:31] Malone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU] maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43150 [01:31] <_MMA_> LaserJock: TheMuso's advise worked. I dont know if I should file this as a bug though. :-/ [01:31] people have just gotten into the habit [01:32] _MMA_: well, it *should* be easier if it isn't already [01:32] <_MMA_> Does NetworkManager show up in "Services"? [01:32] <_MMA_> That would be nice. [01:33] no [01:33] <_MMA_> grr... [01:33] /etc/dbus-1/event.d [01:33] Fujitsu: "I would say the only problem is that you are using Ubuntu's package for Maxima. Build your own. You will be happier." [01:33] 25NetworkManager [01:33] takes same arguments as a sysvinit script [01:33] but d-bus usually takes care of starting it [01:33] <_MMA_> jdong: Yeah. I have that all disables now. :) [01:33] <_MMA_> It would just be nice to have a easy way to do it. [01:34] LaserJock: I just found that. [01:34] That's depressing. [01:34] File bugs, you silly people. [01:34] they even have a wiki page on how to build it from source [01:34] LaserJock: ha, I did that for ffmpeg too ;-) === jdong ducks [01:35] LaserJock: I'm sure I added a comment to that saying to file bugs or similar. [01:35] I don't mind people posting workarounds until we can get a proper fix [01:35] But they need to file bugs, damnit. [01:35] but when the general advice is to not use the Ubuntu packages, even after the fix is out [01:36] it becomes a bit ... what's my favorite word? [01:36] "demotivating" [01:36] Yep. [01:36] Are you formulating a reply? [01:36] yeah [01:36] just gotta make sure it's not an existing bug we haven't fixed ;-) [01:37] It probably is. [01:37] I can't see one. [01:37] (and I've looked through every bug a couple of times over the past 24 hours) === sistpoty is off to bed... gn8 everyone [01:42] LaserJock: Why does it look like it wants libc6-dev there? [01:42] That can't be right... [01:43] Fujitsu: how can you tell? [01:43] Look at the includes it can't find. [01:44] Indeed. [01:44] Remove libc6-dev and I get those errors. [01:44] Why the *$#@ is it trying to compile stuff? [01:44] Fortunately for us, building their own maxima isn't going to help them. === freeflying_ [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] oh, I was looking at the wrong error output [01:46] that's odd [01:47] I don't see why it would be compiling stuff when you run a plot command [01:47] It isn't. [01:47] there is alot of talk on p.d.o lately about cross complining, and i'm always still intrested in it, anyone know if there is an oftc debian-cross channell or mailing list ? [01:48] Fujitsu: then what is it doing? [01:48] describe(plot2d) is the problem command. I have no idea what describe does. [01:49] it looks like a help command [01:50] he tries ? plot2d as well === Fujitsu looks. [01:50] so he does. [01:50] And it gives a different error without maxima-doc. [01:51] So why is it compiling stuff when you are trying to view documentation? === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] libc6-dev is installed when you install build-essential isn't it? === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-179.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] Yes. [01:54] Seems to be fine on Feisty. [01:55] without libc6-dev? [01:55] Yep. [01:55] so that's why it would magically work after they build it themselves [01:55] because they install build-essential to checkinstall their "better" maxima [01:55] Yep. [01:56] I can't find anything on this in Debian [01:56] And now they blame us. Of course. [01:56] Neither can I. [01:59] It doesn't affect Edgy or Feisty. [02:00] But if you have no libc6-dev on Dapper, boom. [02:01] And I can't find any other references to a similar thing on Google. [02:05] ok, well it looks like I'm fresh out of mean [02:05] but I posted something anyway [02:07] If a package originally from revu that is in the archive gets an update, it only needs one ack to be uploaded right? [02:07] TheMuso: It just needs to be uploaded. [02:07] Fujitsu: Right. [02:07] And archived I guess. [02:09] Well, yes. [02:09] yep ok [02:09] Thanks LaserJock, I'm no good at writing replies like that. [02:12] Fujitsu: was mine decent? [02:12] you can add a sound lashing if you want ;-) [02:13] It was pretty good. [02:13] If it happens again, I'll work a little bit of anger and demotivation into a response ;) [02:13] Now, I need to head of to school in a minute. [02:13] hmm, the forums look updated too [02:13] like a cohesive "plan" must have happend [02:15] I'll be updating my sites with the new one in the next couple of days. [02:17] I must now depart. [02:17] Bye all. [02:18] cya Fujitsu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-SEVEN-FOURTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@29.182.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] Heya gang [02:38] Heya bddebian. [02:40] Heya TheMuso [02:40] Has everyone already voted for Ubuntu? http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux [02:40] Yep. [02:42] ha, that reminds me of how one of my teachers pronounced aspx [02:42] took him a while to realize what he was saying. === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-105-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@145-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S010600502c03205f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-105-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host125-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo__ [n=slomo@pD954775A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu_ [n=william@stuff.stw.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] Can a core-dev please ack the Dapper task on bug #92710? [03:15] Malone bug 92710 in maxima "describe or ? cause error" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92710 [03:21] hmm [03:21] wesnoth no longer ships any campaigns in the core package [03:21] this is cracked === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] It got split into different tarballs [03:30] bddebian: I see that [03:31] add/remove doesn't know that [03:31] and thus installs no campaigns [03:31] Ugh === imbrandon_ [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] there is already a bug out there for getting a metapackage available [03:31] When I updated it for Dapper I think, I made the campaign that used to be in the core package a depends I thought [03:36] heya Burgundavia [03:36] hey imbrandon [03:36] Hey imbrandon_. [03:36] ello TheMuso === imbrandon_ is doing a clean install , refreshing after some months [03:37] I hate flash with a passion [03:37] lol Burgundavia [03:37] it is currently bringing my machine to its knees [03:37] imbrandon_: Which box? [03:37] Burgundavia: yes, if only it wasn't everywhere [03:37] i wish i had sabdfl's money, i would buy flash === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] swfdec made a new release [03:37] TheMuso: my main workstation at home [03:37] somebody better package it for me :) [03:37] ah [03:38] Burgundavia: if i get time at work tonight i will [03:38] rock [03:38] What about UVF? [03:39] eh, that is bypassable [03:39] i can try for a uvfe, if not Burgundavia getsa a personal package built ;) [03:39] the version in the archives is ancient === imbrandon_ hugs scorched3d ;) [03:41] ok base system installed, brb [03:42] ok, is it just me or has performance under load gotten a whole lot worse [03:42] ? [03:43] I don't know [03:43] it seems like to me that apt/synaptic are real hogs these days [03:43] yep [03:44] well, to be fair, only developers really only see the bad grind [03:44] updating GNOME is a real hog === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] re === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.128.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] ajmitch, i found some dual proc 1.3 ghz ppc g4 xservs for 1300.00 [03:53] 1gb ram [03:54] nice [03:55] imbrandon: nice [03:55] http://www.mac-resource.com/store.php?item=0000327.SERV&option1000125=100012502&option1000126=100012603&option1000127=100012701&option1000128=100012802&quantity=1# [03:55] wow long url [03:55] but thats still doable [03:57] imbrandon: here it cost U$ 4000,00 (R$ 8500,00) =) [03:58] wow [04:00] welcome to third world hehehe the real value + 60 % taxes === LaserJock hugs ajmitch [04:05] that choral music is a lifesaver [04:05] :) [04:05] keeps you sane? [04:05] yeah [04:05] sanity is entirely relative, especially in most of our cases [04:05] I'm here at the lab groovin to the tuns [04:05] especially in Burgundavia case ;-) [04:05] hey! [04:06] did I say that out loud? :p [04:06] lol [04:06] nah, Corey's even got a gf [04:06] hehe [04:06] he a real "normal person" [04:06] and you're married [04:06] *he's [04:06] so we hear [04:07] so I've heard === imbrandon thinks thats why he is divorced , she always told me i should marry my computer ;) [04:07] ;-) [04:08] I've gotten a few "You should divorce your computer"s [04:08] heh === ajmitch wonders what is more important - wife or ubuntu? [04:09] I date a co-worker [04:09] heh dont ever let "her" hear you ask that ;) [04:09] some days ... [04:09] you define that as normal? [04:09] fairly [04:09] Burgundavia, very [04:09] i have dated many co-workers [04:09] shes a somethingawful reader [04:09] and yet he's single .. hmmm [04:09] Burgundavia: that would be somewhat impossible for me to do [04:10] ajmitch: not that into guys? [04:10] ajmitch, impossible or "not right" ;) [04:10] Burgundavia: hah, not at all [04:10] imbrandon: well the only female in the office is married :P [04:12] ;P [04:12] the ubuntu community accepts "flexibility" in these cases :) === ajmitch doesn't [04:13] ;-) [04:13] boring [04:13] I know, isn't it great? [04:14] hmm, I'm at a uni, there's tons of people everywhere [04:14] but I've been married 5 years, it'd be too much work ;-) [04:15] lol [04:15] one woman is plenty for me === TheMuso doesn't particularly care about having a partner. [04:15] well [04:15] 1+Ubuntu [04:15] :-) [04:15] Gah, try 4 ;-P [04:16] ah, child processes [04:16] Yep :) [04:16] "kill -9" doh! [04:16] bad analogy [04:16] quite bad [04:17] More like "renice" ;-P [04:17] bddebian: good luck making them nicer [04:18] nah just put them to "sleep" [04:19] Heh, yeah or sometimes "shutdown --please now" ;-P === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] this week I spoke to a "sysadmin" to use wipe -rfs / to fix the permissions hehehe it twirled in a production server =( he was dismissed [04:22] not cool [04:22] yes, is really not cool === ajmitch doesn't often screw up production servers [04:22] only 2 or 3 times a week ;) [04:23] ajmitch: lol [04:23] well, there was a small dns hiccup the other day, for a few minutes [04:23] somebody is working in gkvm package? [04:23] ajmitch, hehe [04:23] apart from that, it's generally just minor data screwups which can be restored quickly, when we have to delve into the db [04:23] things that they generally don't notice at all [04:24] of course that's while they're expecting stuff to be a bit funny, so it's all ok :) === ajmitch has to be in the office tomorrow morning (saturday) for a big code update though [04:26] fun [04:26] oh yes === schultmc_ [n=schultmc@c-68-58-138-203.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] nobody is working in gkvm package? === ajmitch doesn't know what gkvm is [04:32] I presume a frontend for kvm? [04:32] KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) [04:32] ajmitch: yes === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] go ahead & work on it, but it's unlikely to get into feisty at this late stage === fernando working [04:34] dear lazy irc, is apache 2.2 merged into feisty ? [04:34] of course [04:34] 'good [04:34] last i checked it hadent been [04:35] ii apache2 2.2.3-3.2build1 Next generation, scalable, extendable web server [04:35] has been for a long time [04:35] imbrandon: with that time you could just !info apache2 feisty [04:35] :) [04:35] jdong, shush [04:35] i could have checked lp or p.u.c too [04:35] ;) [04:35] but dear lazy IRC letters are more fun for us :) === LaserJock starts dreaming about the 2nd Golden Pony Awards [04:39] heh [04:39] uh oh === ajmitch had best hide === imbrandon wonders who will get them this time ;) [04:39] apparently I've killed the conversation in #launchpad [04:39] with your talk of witches [04:39] heh [04:39] might as well move on to -motu [04:39] lol [04:40] it's irrefutable logic though [04:40] I think sabdfl must have been offended by my newt comment ;-) [04:40] that witches burn, and so does wood [04:40] wood floats, and so do ducks [04:40] LaserJock, ? [04:40] so if you weigh the same as a duck you're a witch [04:40] LaserJock: I swear, sabdfl turned me into a newt! === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] I was going to go with a green camelion [04:41] Who art thou that art so wise in the ways of science? [04:41] yay splash isn't weird color anymore. [04:41] or however you spell them [04:41] chameleon? [04:42] but I thought the suse inuendo might not fly so well [04:42] so I kept with the newt ;-) [04:42] innuendo? [04:42] that sabdfl was turning me into a gree chameleon [04:42] whatever [04:42] green? [04:42] yes [04:42] I love you too. [04:42] I can read your mind. you want to strangle me :) [04:43] strangle yes [04:43] for reading my mind no [04:43] :p [04:43] jdong confuses me with weird hardware type things [04:44] I've never reconfigured my filesystem [04:44] fun, random violence [04:44] ha, filesystems are now permanently associated with violence :) [04:44] hmm, strangle+weird+filesystem=violence... :) [04:44] well, earlier in the day #edubuntu was going to rebrand Edubuntu [04:45] only in your mind jdong , only in your mind [04:45] Edubuntu: Linux for Idol Fans [04:45] well, at least I didn't say reiserfs ;-) [04:45] reicerfs? [04:46] ricerfs* [04:46] LaserJock: that's probably what tripped off reiser when he came home from work === jdong ducks [04:46] no doubt [04:46] probably caught a certain somebody running ext3 [04:46] "Hi honey, I installed RHEL4 with ext3" === LaserJock is a naughty boy [04:46] anyway... [04:46] back on topic :) [04:47] we had a topic? [04:47] oh yeah [04:47] python [04:47] MOTU stuff [04:47] or witches [04:47] bah, who need MOTU stuff [04:47] we stink anyway, right? === bddebian does [04:47] hrm i wonder if apache2.2 can be backported without recompiling a ton of other things ( like php and mod_* ) === LaserJock picks up is Golden Pony for King of the Demotivators [04:48] *his [04:48] imbrandon: I was watching office, and I felt my heart stop for a moment. then I looked back on this window. [04:48] jdong, that sentance mand -0- sense to me [04:49] too random [04:49] made* === LaserJock beats jdong over the head [04:49] imbrandon: it's midnight. my wise cracks stop working after... well they never work. But it was related to the backporting the entire apache2.2 remark. [04:49] maybe that will jiggle the dip switches in the right place [04:50] LaserJock: stop jiggling my dip switch! [04:50] hmmm. Now why did Bitlbee die? [04:50] we burned it [04:50] more witches! [04:50] with beryl ( for console ) [04:51] lol [04:51] maybe I should be getting more than 4hrs of sleep at night o.O [04:51] I think so... [04:51] lol, console beryl [04:51] we should have an libaa output for Xorg :) [04:51] I've been on IRC for roughly 16hrs today [04:51]