[12:26] <cellofellow> I've nothing against gentoo, but why would it not have a problem like that?
[12:27] <grazie> different distros do things different.
[12:27] <clarklinux> grazie: thanks, i'll check it out...is it as low-spec friendly as xubuntu?
[12:28] <grazie> clarklinux: even lower spec
[12:28] <cellofellow> you can use any DE you like
[12:28] <clarklinux> grazie: oh wow
[12:28] <cellofellow> from EvilWM to KDE+Beryl
[12:28] <Jester45> cellofellow thats a big diffrence
[12:29] <grazie> i'd never install knoppix, but if I've got a hardware problem knoppix is my first choice
[12:29] <cellofellow> Portage is sort of slower than APT isn't it? It has to compile everything. Makes the apps run faster though.
[12:29] <Jester45> no and yes
[12:29] <Jester45> you can make it compile or you can get binaries
[12:30] <cellofellow> You can compile with APT too. So, is it just that Gentoo prefers source and Debian binaries?
[12:30] <grazie> portage is slower even without compiling, but it is much more powerful..it's gentoos best asset
[12:31] <grazie> also, there are no pre-compiled binaries for any arch other than x86 I believe
[12:32] <Jester45> anyone know a website that will let you build a custom computer? like select everything from a BIG list
[12:33] <grazie> clarklinux: but installing a complete gentoo system is quite a lot work and time
[12:35] <brohan> Hi, I've got a slight issue with my resolution: that it is like.. giant (it might be font size)
[12:36] <brohan> I set sub-pixel smoothing, and relogged in and then everything has since looked bigger
[12:38] <Jester45> brohan try changing the font size or if icons are large change the resoultion
[12:39] <brohan> Yeah, I've tried that
[12:39] <brohan> and it still is gigantic
[12:39] <brohan> Well, some of it is gigantic
[12:39] <brohan> Like, my conky is big
[12:40] <brohan> Jester45, I'm also running a laptop and the resolution has been fixed at 1280x800
[12:40] <cellofellow> is that what it says it is in Settings -> Display?
[12:41] <brohan> cellofellow, default
[12:42] <brohan> and if I take a screenshot with 'export' its 1280x800
[12:42] <brohan> I have a feeling this is an xfce-specific issue
[12:42] <Jester45> the laptop might only have that res?
[12:42] <brohan> Yeah, that's the res I want
[12:43] <brohan> It's an ultraportable, I wub its resolution
[12:43] <brohan> It's a font thing I'm pretty sure
[12:43] <brohan> I'm looking in ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb and picking nothing up
[12:44] <rici> this sounds like the inverse of the issue i just had, where everything suddenly got smaller
[12:44] <brohan> lol
[12:44] <rici> i fixed it by adding a dpi line in Xft.xrdb and a DisplaySize line in xorg.conf, if that's any help
[12:44] <brohan> http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-more-on-fixing-fonts-problems.html yeah, I see this
[12:45] <brohan> brb
[12:46] <brohan> Yay, dpi change in ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb worked :)
[12:47] <grazie> clarklinux: before burning again you could try booting the live cd with 'live single' at the boot: prompt
[12:55] <rici> that link helped me fix firefox, too. thanks
[12:56] <rici> now i just have to figure out keymapping :(
[12:56] <cellofellow> brb
[12:56] <rici> specifically, i remapped alt-gr to the "windows" key, which is where alt-gr ought to be according to my pinky,
[12:57] <rici> and some applications stopped recognizing either key as alt-gr
[12:57] <rici> which is a pain because on a spanish keyboard, you need it a lot.
[12:58] <Jester45_> use xmodmap and xev
[12:58] <Jester45_> !xmodmap
[12:58] <ubotu> xmodmap: X input map modification. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 76 kB
[12:58] <Jester45_> !xev
[12:58] <ubotu> xev: X client - xev. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:59] <Jester45_> you open  a text editor and put  keycode  ### = whatyouwant
[12:59] <Jester45_> use google to get mroe help im a bit busy
[01:00] <rici> i did that, and it worked
[01:00] <rici> except that like i say some apps won't recognize the key afterwards
[01:01] <clarklinux> grazie: I'm back...what does live single do?
[01:01] <grazie> clarklinux: change the runlevel...you'll not start the X windows gui
[01:02] <grazie> clarklinux: might not bother looking for the swap
[01:02] <clarklinux> grazie: is there anyway I can wipe the HD clean? there's a half installed xubuntu on it, i think
[01:02] <clarklinux> from the alt install
[01:02] <grazie> once you've booted yes
[01:03] <clarklinux> grazie: could yo tell me how to do that? i think I'll be able to install it if I can wipe everything first
[01:04] <grazie> clarklinux: we've got to get you booted somehow...did you try 'live single'?
[01:05] <clarklinux> i'm reburning the live
[01:05] <clarklinux> it'll take a minute
[01:05] <grazie> clarklinux: why not do the minimal then? if you're burning anyway
[01:09] <clarklinux> grazie: i gotta go, but could you give me an idea of what to look for after live single?
[01:10] <clarklinux> grazie: there was a problem configuringthe network and I do not want to have to deal with that hahaha
[01:12] <grazie> clarklinux: you'll need to delete some partitions...I don't think I can give a single command to sort it
[01:12] <Jester45_> clarklinux do you have the ablity of wiping the drive
[01:12] <Jester45_> it would be easier to just reinstall with a alt or lice cd
[01:13] <grazie> clarklinux: if you've got an OS X install cd wipte the disk with that
[01:13] <clarklinux> jester: nope...andthe alt kept hhanging up
[01:13] <clarklinux> grazie: no osx disk
[01:28] <clarklinux> grazie: there's no live-single option
[01:28] <clarklinux> ther's a live-nosplash
[01:28] <clarklinux> and a check
[01:29] <grazie> clarklinux: no. just enter  'live single' it's not on the menu
[01:29] <clarklinux> okay
[01:29] <clarklinux> thank you..i'll be back a little later
[01:34] <Winball> :D
[01:35] <Jester45_> hi
[01:35] <Winball> :)
[01:36] <Jester45_> :0
[01:39] <clarklinux> grazie: live single did not go to a no-gui interface
[01:39] <clarklinux> it started loading with the little splash screen thing and did not finish (same error about swap
[01:39] <clarklinux> )*
[01:41] <grazie> clarklinux: did you try burning and booting the minimal cd?
[01:41] <clarklinux> grazie: yes but there was a problem with the network configuration
[01:41] <clarklinux> that did not allow it to work
[01:41] <grazie> clarklinux: ok. but it booted ok?
[01:41] <clarklinux> yes
[01:42] <grazie> clarklinux: well that doesn't have the swap problem then
[01:42] <clarklinux> should I try wiping the disk with that disk?
[01:43] <clarklinux> *the hard disk with that boot disk
[01:43] <grazie> clarklinux: you can get a primitive shell that you may be able to wipe the disk with...I don't know.
[01:43] <clarklinux> alright
[01:44] <clarklinux> i'll play around with it and see if i can find anything
[01:44] <clarklinux> i'll be back a little later
[01:44] <grazie> clarklinux: I'd use gentoo now myself...but that doesn't help you
[01:44] <grazie> clarklinux: I probably will not be around later
[01:53] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: do you know if it's possible to wipe a disk from the built-in shell (Ash)
[01:54] <grazie> no dd, no fdisk, etc
[02:00] <grazie> ah, dd is available
[03:11] <AaronMT> !fiesty
[03:11] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:20] <cellofellow> what's a good graphical utility for complicated ALSA settings?
[03:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> How complicated?
[03:25] <cellofellow> choose soundcard mostly
[03:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That should be available in xfce4-mixer.
[03:28] <cellofellow> yeah, but my PCI soundcard I added isn't in the list. Just the onboard
[03:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is it otherwise detected?
[03:35] <cellofellow> in lspci
[03:36] <cellofellow> but not anywhere else
[04:51] <cellofellow> ok, something weird just happened to my computer. (this isn't my main computer, thank goodness.) GRUB is getting Error 17's, which I looked up and means bad filesystem type. in cfdisk, the type shows as Amoeba. It is really ext3. Can I use cfdisk to fix the partition table? (It got corrupted somehow.)
[04:52] <cellofellow> while keeping the data, of course
[04:54] <cellofellow> any help here guys?
[04:58] <maxamillion> cellofellow: have you booted a livecd to it?
[04:59] <maxamillion> err .. booted it to a livecd
[04:59] <maxamillion> cellofellow: preferably knoppix if you have it
[05:03] <cellofellow> maxamillion, yes
[05:03] <cellofellow> sorry, was searching for Windows NIC drivers.
[05:03] <cellofellow> DSL, so Mini-Knoppix :)
[05:03] <maxamillion> rgr
[05:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: are you able to see the data using the live cd?
[05:04] <cellofellow> yes
[05:04] <cellofellow> I'm just worried using cfdisk will break even that
[05:04] <maxamillion> hmmm... honestly, i would try to backup the data and then change the filesystem type in cfdisk and see what happens
[05:05] <cellofellow> there isn't any real data, just a brand new (yesterday) Xubuntu installation.
[05:05] <cellofellow> 3.1 GB
[05:05] <maxamillion> oh ... uhmmm, it might be a bad hard drive (or failing hard drive)
[05:06] <maxamillion> www.ultimatebootcd.org <--- good utility for hard drive checking
[05:06] <cellofellow> it didn't do it all on its own. Something happened when I tried to boot a windows installtion on another hard drive
[05:08] <cellofellow> it's dot-com
[05:08] <maxamillion> ohhhh
[05:08] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:10] <cellofellow> I don't know how to select ext3 in cfdisk. :$
[05:11] <maxamillion> its like #42 i think
[05:11] <maxamillion> you have to hit pg-down to see it
[05:11] <maxamillion> its been a while since i used cfdisk
[05:13] <cellofellow> 85 Linux Extended?
[05:14] <maxamillion> uhmm.... i dunno
[05:14] <maxamillion> lemme check something
[05:14] <cellofellow> ok, thanks
[05:15] <cellofellow> ah! on DSL there is no udev, and therefore I can't tell which /dev nodes are real or not.
[05:16] <maxamillion> cellofellow: brilliant
[05:16] <cellofellow> brilliant panic or brilliant 85 is ext3?
[05:17] <maxamillion> brilliant that DSL has no udev
[05:17] <maxamillion> just find that interesting
[05:18] <cclampblue1> sup yall
[05:18] <cellofellow> you've been using linux long enough that udev is this cool new toy.
[05:18] <cellofellow> partition table problems
[05:20] <maxamillion> cellofellow: do you have a xubuntu live disk? ... this would be easier with gparted
[05:20] <maxamillion> cellofellow: but yes, 83 appears to be ext3
[05:20] <cellofellow> I have Ubuntu. I can install gparted, I'm not going to reboot now I'm backing up data from a messed-up Windows drive
[05:21] <maxamillion> cellofellow: rgr
[05:22] <maxamillion> no worries, but yeah ... i actually think 83 is just a "linux filesystem" and then from there you have to make the filesystem either ext2, ext3, reiser, etc... so i think gparted will end up being the easiest way because i think doing something like mkfs -t ext3 /some/drive would end up fragging the data
[05:23] <cclampblues> hey i have a question for you gurus: i added a network monitor to my panel and i dont know how to tell it wwhat device i am using. i dont even knoow where to find that informatiton. its a pcmcia wireless (generic-as-hell) card. i hammered it in and it works. other than that i know nothing. any suggenstions?
[05:23] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:23] <cellofellow> just type eth0 in the network monitor properties
[05:24] <maxamillion> cclampblues: you added the xfce network monitor panel?
[05:24] <cclampblues> yea. thanks. cellofellow i got it now.
[05:25] <cclampblues> yea max
[05:25] <cclampblues> is there some sort of monitor to show all machines connected to the netwrok
[05:25] <cclampblues> or program?
[05:26] <maxamillion> cclampblues: uhmmm... yeah, but that would be completely different ... check out nagios.org
[05:26] <cclampblues> i figured so... thanks.
[05:26] <maxamillion> cclampblues: its a very powerful program that is generally run on a server but i don't see why you can't run it on a desktop machine ... afterall, its linux :)
[05:28] <cellofellow> maxamillion, so, gparted can set the fs-type WITHOUT running mkfs?
[05:29] <cellofellow> I thought gparted always used mkfs.
[05:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you know what, now that you mention it .... i think it might
[05:29] <cellofellow> would fdisk be more straightforward in its fs-type names?
[05:31] <maxamillion> not quite sure to be honest ... never used it for more than viewing a partition table, i always used cfdisk in the command line and gparted for gui (once it came into existence)
[05:31] <cellofellow> ok, I'm taking the plunge and calling /dev/hda1 a type 85.
[05:32] <cellofellow> Cannot change FS Type to extended
[05:32] <cellofellow> it stayed Amoeba
[05:33] <cellofellow> going with 83. Seeing if that works. If it doesn't, setting it to 85 may work this time.
[05:34] <maxamillion> what's 85?
[05:34] <cellofellow> Linux Extended is 85. 83 is plain Linux
[05:34] <cellofellow> It did mount as 83 but to be safe I think I'll try 85.
[05:35] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:35] <maxamillion> i think extended should be ext3 because ext2 was the "original linux fs"
[05:36] <cclampblues> how do i create this file in this transparency setup:  http://blog.xfce.org/?p=77   ----i just make a text file right?
[05:36] <cellofellow> maxamillion, it still won't let me change to "extended"
[05:37] <cellofellow>  Cannot change FS Type to extended
[05:37] <maxamillion> :(
[05:39] <cellofellow> if grub will still boot... it should be fine
[05:40] <maxamillion> yeah
[05:41] <cellofellow> it wouldn't work cause it couldn't fine /boot/grub/menu.lst because that was in an FS that the partition table said was Amoeba but acted like ext, so it errored and died.
[05:42] <maxamillion> jeebus, that's no good
[05:50] <cellofellow> so, enough of my gloominess. anything good happening?
[05:51] <cclampblues> !filesystem
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filesystem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <cclampblues> great
[05:51] <cellofellow> !ext3
[05:51] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:52] <cclampblues> thx.
[05:52] <cellofellow> I guessed
[05:52] <maxamillion> :)
[05:52] <cclampblues> i wouldntthave guessed that one
[05:53] <maxamillion> cclampblues: but you used the bot ... that puts you a step ahead of most users who come through the channel
[05:53] <maxamillion> :)
[05:53] <cellofellow> :D
[05:54] <cclampblues> !anything
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <cclampblues> robots are funny.
[05:55] <maxamillion> yeah .... ubotu is "all knowing"
[05:55] <cclampblues> does it do tricks?
[05:56] <cellofellow> !anything
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <cellofellow> !botsnack
[05:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:56] <cellofellow> My two favorites.
[05:56] <maxamillion> oh yeah .. botsnack is a favorite :P)
[05:57] <cclampblues> no Fing way. thats great
[05:57] <cellofellow> they need a botslap too
[05:58] <cclampblues> i cant even navigate to this 'folder' ... http://blog.xfce.org/?p=77
[05:59] <maxamillion> cclampblues: that folder doesn't exist by default on xubuntu (i think it will in feisty because of the inclusion of 4.4-stable) so you have to make it
[06:00] <maxamillion> cclampblues: wait sorry
[06:00] <maxamillion> cclampblues: i read ti wrong ... the folder is there, but not the config files
[06:00] <maxamillion> file*
[06:00] <maxamillion> and the keyboard
[06:00] <cellofellow> cclampblues, you trying to use compositing (transparency) ??
[06:00] <cclampblues> yes
[06:01] <cellofellow> edit ~/.config/xfce4/mcs(something).xml and find the line with Compositing in it and change te value from 0 to 1.
[06:02] <cellofellow> wait
[06:03] <cellofellow> ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
[06:03] <cclampblues> yes thats for the windows. the one on the website affects the panel
[06:03] <cclampblues> and i cant figure out how to edit it at all. it opens in firefox but i cant change anything. does it need to be opend in something else?
[06:04] <cellofellow> you can't edit files in firefox
[06:04] <cellofellow> try vim or mousepad or scite.
[06:04] <cclampblues> ok.
[06:05] <cclampblues> what does ~/ mean?
[06:05] <cellofellow> you're home directory
[06:05] <cellofellow>  /home/yourname
[06:06] <cellofellow> some scripts use the $HOME shell variable.
[06:06] <cclampblues> ok. gimmie a min. thanks. im a novice (obviously) . i appriciate your / this rooms help
[06:08] <cclampblues> i dont see a /.config folder at all
[06:09] <cellofellow> ~/.config
[06:09] <cellofellow> i got to go guys. thanks for the help
[06:28] <notMaxamillion> lol ... python fragged that laptop
[06:28] <notMaxamillion> brb
[06:29] <maxamillion> note to self ... when using older hardware issued to you from work: don't push its limits, it will lock up
[06:30] <maxamillion> what'd i miss?
[06:33] <rici> this maxamillion guy left and returned
[06:33] <maxamillion> yeah, i kicked him off and took his identity :)
[06:34] <rici> well, that's about it
[06:35] <maxamillion> cool
[06:35] <maxamillion> thanks for the update
[06:36] <rici> you wouldn't know of a vim syntax file for re2c, by any chance? I know it's seriously OT but we've established nothing is going on.
[06:38] <maxamillion> yeah, i wouldn't happen to know .... sorry :(
[06:40] <rici> no worries, i was just getting irritated for the millionth time about the lack.
[06:40] <rici> i should just write one, but vim syntax files are such a pita and c.vim is one of the worst.
[07:01] <kross> Hi guys, is this a good place to ask a question about xubuntu?
[07:41] <ghetek> how do i make a gui inputbox popup for my "sh" script?
[07:58] <kupo> hallo, I'm getting bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy when i run 'cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp' and restarting alsa-utils doesn't seem to fix it
[07:59] <kupo> can anyone tell me how to troubleshoot it ?
[08:40] <fxr> hi just a quickie, can someone recommend an application that i can edit an iso image with.. i.e add a folder to the disk image.. dont seem to be able to do it with K
[09:21] <kupo> egads I just needed to add xfce4-mixer to the panel and adjust the pcm output
[09:21] <kupo> that 'tarded
[11:04] <padrigal> Anyone know why apt-get segfaults and coredumps on a new install of xubuntu?
[11:21] <B|nTaRa> !games
[11:21] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:21] <B|nTaRa> !game
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <B|nTaRa> !chess
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <grazie_> padrigal: no, but does the machine work with another OS?
[11:26] <padrigal> No, not tried it with anything else yet.
[11:26] <padrigal> I can't think what apt would be doing that should cause a coredump...
[11:27] <padrigal> strace shows it failing just after a stat64 call, although the call completes OK.
[11:27] <grazie_> padrigal: have you run the memtest?
[11:27] <padrigal> You mean at the BIOS?
[11:28] <grazie_> the install cd has a memtest option
[11:28] <padrigal> Ah right, no, will try that now.
[11:29] <grazie_> its runs continously, but the first complete pass shouldn't take too long
[11:49] <padrigal> grazie_: Test seems OK so far. Might try kubuntu seeing as I have it to hand.
[01:01] <fenrig> hi
[01:01] <fenrig> can i use xubuntu as firewall between the intenet and a server
[01:02] <fenrig> i think i know what the answer is
[01:02] <TheSheep_> fenrig: yes
[01:02] <fenrig> ah okay
[01:02] <fenrig> a crap i have to go
[01:02] <fenrig> il catch u guys later
[01:02] <fenrig> over 4 hours okay
[01:02] <fenrig> i have to ask a lot so
[01:03] <fenrig> see u guys soon
[01:18] <hyper_ch> hiho
[01:21] <grazie> hi hyper_ch
[01:22] <hyper_ch> gotta program a bit.. I still want to get this project done :)
[01:25] <grazie> TheSheep_: I believe the live cd uses a swap partition if it finds one on booting. Do you know of any way to stop it from doing this?
[01:27] <TheSheep_> grazie: you can disable swap...
[01:27] <TheSheep_> swapoff
[01:28] <grazie> TheSheep_: with a boot parameter?
[01:28] <fxr> hi i have a bad problem.. i want to install xp then ubuntu on my new lappy.. tho.. i have floppy or working cd rom drive, and no usb drive... it boots xp atm, but i wanna reinstall... & repartion.. where should i go for help.. any suggesstions..?
[01:28] <fxr> *no floppy or cd drive
[01:29] <fxr> i have access to a network... how hard would it be to set up a PXE boot server?
[01:29] <grazie> TheSheep_: the problem was the live cd was attempting to use a bad swap partition and the boot was failing because of it
[01:30] <fxr> or am i would repartioning the drive & putting extracting iso images to a new partion work?
[01:31] <TheSheep_> grazie: I'm not sure, maybe there is a boot option for that :/
[01:31] <grazie> fxr: I set up netboot yesterday on x86 server for ppc machine...wasn't too hard
[01:31] <grazie> !install | fxr
[01:31] <ubotu> fxr: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[01:32] <hyper_ch> fxr: you have no working floppy or cd-drive?
[01:32] <fxr> nope.. damned ebay bargins.. : s\ hyper_ch
[01:33] <fxr> grazie: how does the PXE server serve installations.. can you serve an entire iso.. or what?
[01:33] <fxr> or netboot.. even
[01:33] <TheSheep_> fxr: you just serve something like a bootdisk
[01:34] <TheSheep_> actually a bootdisk image
[01:34] <hyper_ch> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[01:34] <hyper_ch> fxr: or do you have a 1gb usb-stick?
[01:35] <fxr> nope.. hyper_ch but i might just run out and get one if needed.. id rather not tho tbh
[01:35] <hyper_ch> fxr: you have a second computer?
[01:36] <fxr> yeah 2 hyper_ch all on a wireless network
[01:36] <hyper_ch> oh well, have a look at the Installation from windows link above
[01:37] <fxr> ok.. thanks guys i have a wee wonder round these links and see if i can come up with some kind of plan.. : )
[01:37] <grazie> fxr: before getting a usb stick, make sure the bios can boot from it.
[01:37] <hyper_ch> well, a usb-stick is not really necessary
[01:38] <hyper_ch> it should be working from within windows
[01:38] <fxr> yeah.. id rather do it as cheaply as possible tbh.. plus the shop is a 1hr walk away.. : )
[01:39] <hyper_ch> fxr: however there is one problem... if you mess up the installation from windows then you probably can't boot into windows either anymore
[01:42] <grazie> fxr: i think you'd be able to hook two machines together with a null modem cable so long as they both have nics
[01:43] <hyper_ch> actually the manual approach from installation from windows shouldn't mess up windows
[01:43] <hyper_ch> however the install can if it fails for some reason
[01:47] <grazie> fxr: BTW null modem cable is not what I meant...I meant a cat5 cable without the twist, although newer nics autodetect anyway me thinks
[01:52] <Kasplatt> ... the applications tab in the top left corner dissapeared...
[01:53] <grazie> Kasplatt: you can add it back to the panel....Xfce menu
[01:54] <Kasplatt> how ?
[01:55] <grazie> Kasplatt: right click on panel...add new item
[01:55] <Kasplatt> okay, thanks
[01:56] <Kasplatt> is there like a command to play a beep ?
[01:56] <Kasplatt> play (beep) or something ?
[02:00] <Kasplatt> what is the device for Wireless LAN ?
[02:00] <Kasplatt> oh... nevermind... I found it eth1... right ?
[02:04] <Kasplatt> Yeah, it all works :) thanks grazie.
[02:04] <grazie> np
[05:21] <vrkhans> hi
[05:22] <vrkhans> i have a question, I am using Xubuntu 2.6 if I upgrade do i lost all the setting i have in 2.6 or not
[05:22] <vrkhans> to 2.10
[05:22] <vrkhans> what is the difference
[05:22] <vrkhans> or does it worth
[05:24] <grazie> vrkhans: Where did you get that number from? More likely you have version 6.10.
[05:25] <grazie> or 6.06
[05:30] <vrkhans> sorry i have 6.06
[05:30] <vrkhans> thinking something else
[05:30] <grazie> vrkhans: if you upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 most of your setting will be fine, although I wouldn't guarantee everything will be the same
[05:31] <vrkhans> from 6.06 to 6.10 what the difference
[05:31] <grazie> vrkhans: are there any settings you are particularly worried about?
[05:31] <grazie> vrkhans: I don't really know 6.06
[05:32] <vrkhans> becaue i have a 6.10 cd but when i try to install it it doest install because may be of my video card setting or something else
[05:32] <grazie> vrkhans: desktop cd (live cd)?
[05:33] <vrkhans> grazie: i tried both desktop and the alternate
[05:34] <vrkhans> it start installation but then for some reason "no signal found" msg appear on my monitor
[05:34] <grazie> vrkhans: you can upgrade to 6.10 using the alternate cd, but not the desktop
[05:34] <grazie> vrkhans: re-installation is very different to upgrading. you are describing re-installation
[05:35] <vrkhans> does there a big difference in 6.10
[05:35] <vrkhans> ya
[05:35] <vrkhans> but i am little shaky, of losing what i have
[05:35] <vrkhans> grazie: which one you are using
[05:36] <grazie> vrkhans: you will lose your setting with a  re-installation or new installation unless you have a separate /home partition
[05:36] <grazie> vrkhans: I'm using 6.10
[05:36] <vrkhans> so i can not upgrade my system by doing apt-get upgrade
[05:37] <grazie> vrkhans: I have been testing 7.04 as well, but never used 6.06
[05:38] <grazie> vrkhans: yes you can upgrade, but not quite like that
[05:38] <grazie> !upgrade | vrkhans
[05:38] <ubotu> vrkhans: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:39] <grazie> vrkhans: it would be quite a big download
[05:39] <vrkhans> ok another issue is i wont able to play any realplayer file in firefox . it give me a msg plugin install, i just install realplayer but firefox, how i can set that
[05:40] <grazie> vrkhans: as you already have the 6.10 alternate cd, you can do a big part of the upgrade using that
[05:40] <grazie> vrkhans: I don't understand your last message
[05:43] <vrkhans> I am trying to play realplayer format files on the web, in different site, but got a msg in firefox that i dont have the plugin . But i just install the realplayer and it is running seperately but not in the browser, what do you think i should do, to fix that.
[05:46] <vrkhans> grazie: did you got my msg
[05:46] <grazie> vrkhans: yes ok
[05:47] <grazie> vrkhans: when you installed realplayer the plugin should work too. Have you looked at this >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28RealPlayer_10.29
[05:47] <vrkhans> it is running seperately, outside the browser but some how give that msg in firefox
[05:49] <vrkhans> i am checking your link
[05:53] <vrkhans> grazie: I have to man , I will try the 6.10 and let you know, but does there any why i did mess up my current setting i can go back to my old version and delete the changes
[05:55] <grazie> vrkhans: no you cannot go back
[05:56] <grazie> grazie: the best thing to do is make a backup of everything first
[05:56] <grazie> vrkhans: if you mess up you can restore the complete backup
[06:10] <oopsy> hey
[06:10] <oopsy> can anyone help me out?
[06:12] <oopsy> I can't type commands like "Make" or "make install" in xubuntu?
[06:16] <grazie> !build-essential | oopsy
[06:16] <ubotu> oopsy: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:17] <oopsy> so I need tha build essential package for "make" commands to work?
[06:17] <oopsy> that*
[06:19] <BFTD> oopsy yes
[06:19] <oopsy> thanks :)
[06:19] <sponix> oopsy: most software is installed through packages, "apt-get install xchat" for example
[06:20] <sponix> or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <oopsy> yea but I don't have an ethernet connection and I'm trying to get my wireless to work
[06:22] <oopsy> so I really need all the needed packages first
[06:23] <oopsy> build essential has some dependencies, are those fulfilled?
[06:27] <oopsy> and one more thing : breezy > dapper > egdy
[06:27] <oopsy> (breezy is the oldest, then dapper..)
[06:40] <malnilion> Surprised that dude's ethernet didn't work out of the box...
[06:40] <malnilion> Er, wireless, rather.
[06:54] <bogor> where can i find info on using xbuntu as LTSP server, requirements, etc
[07:18] <cheeseboy> hi
[07:57] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:05] <oopsy> anyone?
[08:05] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:09] <MaximusBrood> Hello
[08:10] <oopsy> Hi
[08:14] <oopsy> anyone?
[08:14] <oopsy> can someone tell me what are the dependencies needed for build essential?
[08:17] <rici> apt-cache depends build-essential
[08:17] <oopsy> I don't have an ethernet connection :(
[08:17] <maxamillion> hello all
[08:17] <oopsy> sorry
[08:17] <oopsy> could you please tell me?
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: tell you what?
[08:18] <rici> http://rafb.net/p/YpWheK25.html
[08:18] <oopsy> what are the dependencies of build essential
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: the command rici gave you will tell you, it has nothing to do with a network connection
[08:18] <maxamillion> oopsy: it consults the apt-cache :)
[08:18] <oopsy> ah ok thanks
[08:19] <rici> assuming your cache is apt to date
[08:19] <maxamillion> lol
[08:19] <oopsy> I thought apt- always had something to do with GETTING something
[08:19] <maxamillion> oopsy: no no
[08:19] <oopsy> online that is
[08:19] <oopsy> but thanks :)
[08:19] <maxamillion> oopsy: apt-get is a utility that uses the apt system ... aptitude is another example of such a utility (and aptitude is a little more intelligent)
[08:20] <maxamillion> oopsy: anytime :)(
[08:20] <oopsy> one more thing
[08:20] <oopsy> dpkg-dev (which is a dependency), does it have it's own dependencies, and so on? o.o
[08:21] <oopsy> or the dependencies for dpkg-dev and the other build-essentials dependencies are already included in xubuntu
[08:21] <oopsy> I don't know if im making myself clear o.o'
[08:21] <MaximusBrood> If I wanted a ubuntu variant for a computer to be a server, installing xubuntu would be the right choice, correct?
[08:22] <maxamillion> oopsy: dependencies do ripple down, which is what apt-get or aptitude checks for so we don't have to be bothered with such things
[08:22] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: well ... yes and no ... i run xubuntu on both desktops and servers (and the work laptop i am currently on right now)
[08:23] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: but yes, it will function well as a server
[08:23] <oopsy> and I don't need an network connection for that?
[08:24] <maxamillion> oopsy: not to check the dependencies with apt-cache, no .. but to install from a repository listed in your sources.list using apt-get or aptitude, yes ... for that you would require an internet connection
[08:24] <cellofellow> unless you've got a CD/DVD for offline use.
[08:24] <maxamillion> cellofellow: right, but i don't know that the cd would satisfy build-essential's dependencies
[08:25] <MaximusBrood> Also, does the graphic installer give an opertunity to partitionate, or do I have to do that myself first?
[08:25] <oopsy> I'll explain the whole situation so that you can give me a direct opinion
[08:25] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: the graphicall installer gives you the opportunity to partition
[08:25] <maxamillion> oopsy: ok
[08:25] <oopsy> I need to install the RT2500 drivers for ralink on xubuntu, but I don't have an ethernet connection
[08:26] <oopsy> so I need to change back to windows when I need to download a package
[08:26] <MaximusBrood> maxamillion: Okay, thanks :)
[08:26] <cheeseboy> hi
[08:26] <oopsy> but X package to work, I need Z and Y package
[08:26] <oopsy> and so on
[08:26] <cheeseboy> how do i setup multiple x servers?
[08:26] <oopsy> so it's difficult for me to get my wireless network to work
[08:26] <maxamillion> MaximusBrood: anytime :)
[08:27] <maxamillion> oopsy: ah ... yes, that would be difficult ... do you by any chance have a way to download and burn a dvd image?
[08:27] <cellofellow> I need to set up my Diamond DMD-I0928-1 "Monster sound" PCI card. It doesn't show up in the xfce alsa stuff.
[08:28] <maxamillion> oopsy: because if i remember correctly, there is a ubuntu dvd image that will give you all the dependencies you would need and you can just add it as a source to your apt-cache
[08:28] <maxamillion> cellofellow: "lspci | grep Diamond" ... make sure the system sees it first :)
[08:28] <oopsy> aww god.. nop I don't have a DVD recorder.. :'(
[08:28] <maxamillion> cellofellow: hey, didn't you say that the machine you were working on the other day said something was an Adeos filesystem?
[08:28] <cellofellow> josh@scamper:~$ lspci | grep Diamond
[08:28] <cellofellow> 00:0e.0 Multimedia controller: Diamond Multimedia Systems DMD-I0928-1 "Monster sound" sound chip (rev 01)
[08:29] <cellofellow> yeah, It worked to use cfdisk :)
[08:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well ... that's step 1 ... i guess the next thing would be to find the module that controls it and make sure its probed
[08:29] <cellofellow> how do I find that?
[08:29] <cellofellow> It autoloaded and used the onboard Yamaha YMF704C
[08:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: awesome! ... i recently looked into it and i think it had something to do with HAL confusing it .... or something of that sort
[08:30] <cellofellow> (I need the Diamond for MIDI.)
[08:30] <maxamillion> cellofellow: uhmm... hmmm, the audio thing ...
[08:30] <maxamillion> (midis are such a pain
[08:30] <maxamillion> )
[08:30] <cellofellow> yeah
[08:30] <cellofellow> doesn't work very well in Windows either. Mac rules MIDI
[08:31] <maxamillion> yeah ... Mac rules media period
[08:31] <cellofellow> well, we can't afford one. :(
[08:31] <cellofellow> that's why I use Linux ;)
[08:32] <maxamillion> lol
[08:32] <maxamillion> i owned one (it was a high school grad gift) but then i had to sell it for text books now that i am in college and broke ... Mac is nice, its the lesser of two evils but i have my complaints and they are complaints that are solved by using linux :)
[08:32] <oopsy> no other way huh? I really needed that dvd?
[08:33] <cellofellow> you either need internet or an offline repo like a local server or a DVD.
[08:33] <maxamillion> oopsy: uhmm... you don't _need_ it, but it would probably be easiest without a net connection .... otherwise you might have to chase dependencies and use an usb flash drive
[08:34] <maxamillion> or host a local repo server .... as cellofellow just said
[08:34] <unikum> does automatrix2 works as well in xubuntu as it does in ubuntu?
[08:35] <cellofellow> If I had a huge network I'd set up a local mirror of the repos.
[08:35] <unikum> anyone?
[08:35] <cheeseboy>  how do i run multiple x servers?
[08:35] <oopsy> I'll guess I'll go chasing.. o.o
[08:36] <maxamillion> unikum: yes, but its not officially suppported
[08:36] <maxamillion> oopsy: i sorry
[08:37] <unikum> better to install all packages with apt-get?
[08:38] <maxamillion> unikum: no ... better to install with aptitude :)
[08:39] <unikum> i installed swiftfox. when i tried to uninstall firefox it wanted to uninstall the xfce4-desktop too
[08:39] <unikum> i typed no of course
[08:39] <maxamillion> yeah ....
[08:39] <maxamillion> uhmmm
[08:40] <maxamillion> unikum: did it try to uninstall "xfce-desktop" or "xubuntu-desktop"?
[08:40] <unikum> w8
[08:40] <maxamillion> k
[08:41] <unikum>  firefox gnome-app-install gxine sun-java6-plugin xubuntu-desktop
[08:42] <maxamillion> unikum: uhmmm... well i'm not sure why it want's to get rid of sun-java plugin or gxine, but xubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage so it cane be safely removed without consequence
[08:42] <cellofellow> bbl need to use *gasp* windows.
[08:42] <maxamillion> :(
[08:42] <maxamillion> sad times
[08:43] <unikum> how long time after ubuntu 7.04 will xubuntu 7.04 be out?
[08:43] <maxamillion> unikum: should be within the same week if not the same day
[08:43] <unikum> k
[08:45] <needcoffee> hi...i have a little problem with the "hidden options" for xfwm4...the option "easy_click=false" does not work
[08:46] <maxamillion> needcoffee: i haven't the slightest idea
[08:46] <needcoffee> can someone give me a workaround or a hint?
[08:46] <needcoffee> MaximusBrood, hum
[08:47] <maxamillion> :(
[08:47] <maxamillion> i sorry
[08:47] <MaximusBrood> needcoffee: What?
[08:47] <needcoffee> the problem is, i need the alt key for inkscape :/
[08:47] <maxamillion> needcoffee: oooo ... inkscape, good program :)
[08:48] <needcoffee> MaximusBrood, jep :)
[08:49] <needcoffee> :O
[08:49] <needcoffee> :)
[09:12] <cellofellow> Is there a way to auto-configure grub so that it detects and adds a windows installation on hdb1 to menu.list?
[09:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: update-grub ?
[09:15] <cellofellow> tried that
[09:15] <cellofellow> hello!
[09:15] <cellofellow> Jester
[09:15] <Jester45> hi
[09:15] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yeah, then i dunno
[09:16] <maxamillion> cellofellow: did you install windows first or linux first?
[09:16] <cellofellow> Windows was installed on this drive on a different box. Just moved it over. Still having driver issues.
[09:17] <maxamillion> oh ... wow, uhmmm .. no clue
[09:17] <cellofellow> so, what's chainloader? does that mean that grub opens a different bootloader, in this case windows?
[09:18] <maxamillion> heh ... its been a while since i read up on chainloader, i remember reading about it but i have never had a solid knowledge of what it is or what it does
[09:21] <Jester45> !chainloader
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chainloader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <cellofellow> grub options
[09:21] <cellofellow> !grub chainloader
[09:21] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[09:28] <cellofellow> gee, how do I set grub splash inagmes
[09:28] <cellofellow> images* ?
[09:28] <maxamillion> !grub splash
[09:28] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[09:28] <maxamillion> bah!
[09:29] <maxamillion> cellofellow: no clue, i always used it how ever it was shiped
[09:31] <kupo> my minipci on the T30 is showing up as a wired interface
[09:31] <kupo> how can i fix this?
[09:32] <grazie> cellofellow: the splash image is embedded within initrd.img...google to get more info
[09:33] <cellofellow> not that splash image
[09:33] <cellofellow> grub menu
[09:33] <grazie> :)
[09:33] <cellofellow> I got it though
[09:34] <cellofellow> ok, have to reboot AGAIN
[09:34] <maxamillion> :(
[09:34] <cellofellow> I hate rebooting
[09:39] <cheeseboy> can some help me setupmultiple x-servers?
[09:40] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: why on earth would you need multuple x servers?
[09:40] <cheeseboy> one for my tv one for my monitor
[09:41] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: interesting
[09:41] <maxamillion> but one x server should be able to handle requests from more than one source
[09:41] <cheeseboy> what do you mean?
[09:43] <cheeseboy> like have another computer be able to send somtin to my tv?
[09:43] <cheeseboy> or my otherx?
[09:44] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: ok ... think about x server like a web server for a moment .... can that one web server not allow more than one person to view content hosted on the server? .. same concept with X, you can configure it to offer requests for more than one interface
[09:45] <cheeseboy> oh so can i have 2 sesions running at once on one x server?
[09:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: sure
[09:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: lemme try to find you a link
[09:48] <cheeseboy> ok
[09:49] <cheeseboy> i need the seesions to be ruuning at same time u kno wat i mean?
[09:49] <kupo> cheeseboy: what I think you want is more than one virtual X session
[09:49] <kupo> but X server is just the godfather of the xsessions
[09:50] <cheeseboy> im still not good with linux
[09:50] <cheeseboy> just tryn to figure this out
[09:50] <maxamillion> http://support.attachmate.com/techdocs/1751.html
[09:50] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that link might help
[09:51] <cheeseboy> is that an app?
[09:52] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: oh ... woops, yeah .. that's an app for windows users
[09:52] <maxamillion> just a min.
[09:53] <cheeseboy> ok
[09:53] <cheeseboy> ewww windows
[09:53] <cellofellow> xnest is cool
[09:54] <maxamillion> cellofellow: you familiar with what cheeseboy is trying to accomplish? ... because i have no clue how to do it, just know it can be done
[09:56] <cellofellow> no idea. I missed that part.
[09:57] <cellofellow> something to do with X.
[09:57] <maxamillion> oh ... hmm, just that xnest sounded relevant :)
[09:57] <cellofellow> cheeseboy: can you say what it is you want?
[09:58] <maxamillion> cellofellow: he wants to run 2 displays from the same computer, one running the desktop, the other is his tv tuner and i said he can do both from the same xserver, and i know he can ... just don't know how to config it like that
[09:58] <cheeseboy> ya what he said
[09:59] <cheeseboy> im bad at explaining things :(
[09:59] <cellofellow> oh.
[10:00] <cheeseboy> know how?
[10:00] <cellofellow> if you google for something to do with multi-seat systems you might find something. It is possible to make multiuser systems without thin clients, you just plug in a bunch of monitors, keyboards, mice, and other devices and map them together.
[10:00] <cellofellow> in xorg.conf
[10:01] <cellofellow> don't know exactly the options or even and inkling of it really. I ran into it once.
[10:01] <maxamillion> cellofellow: right, same concept ... just a different input device
[10:01] <cellofellow> about a year ago.
[10:01] <maxamillion> err... output
[10:01] <cellofellow> well, he should be able to figure that out.
[10:01] <cellofellow> he could even use a different input device like an IR remote or a Wii controller.
[10:02] <cheeseboy> http://userful.com/products/dm
[10:03] <cheeseboy> would that ork?
[10:03] <cheeseboy> or is there a free way?
[10:04] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: there is a free way to do what they do ... its just harder
[10:05] <cheeseboy> i need to switch to XFree86 server ?
[10:06] <cheeseboy> instead of xorg
[10:08] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: you want to run dual monitors?
[10:08] <cellofellow> no. xorg does everything that xfree86 and more.
[10:09] <cellofellow> he wants a normal desktop and a tv tuner.
[10:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: no, wants to run his monitor and a tv tuner card off the same box at the same time
[10:09] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: but doing different things
[10:09] <kupo> I've done that once
[10:09] <kupo> but I'm not sure how
[10:09] <hyper_ch> and where's the problem?
[10:09] <kupo> I started up a window manager on f6 and another on f7
[10:10] <cheeseboy> it says xorg has problems ith multi seat..
[10:11] <kupo> but cheeseboy what window manager are you using ? xfce, gnome or kde?
[10:11] <cellofellow> which version of Xorg was it talking about? Xorg 7.1 is the latest, I think. Maybe th bugs are fixed.
[10:11] <cheeseboy> xfce
[10:11] <cellofellow> !xserver-xorg
[10:11] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 165 kB, installed size 584 kB
[10:15] <cheeseboy> ok
[10:15] <cheeseboy> how do i update xorg ?
[10:16] <cellofellow> update?
[10:16] <cellofellow> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:16] <cellofellow> should get you up to speed.
[10:16] <cheeseboy> ok did that yesterday so i think im fine
[10:23] <cheeseboy> how do i detect all my keyboards and mice?
[10:25] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: if they are usb, then they should be autodetected
[10:25] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: ps/2 should work too
[10:26] <TheSheep_> cheeseboy: com mouse requires some configuring
[10:26] <maxamillion> hey TheSheep_, long time no see
[10:26] <cheeseboy> i need to get what number or somtin they are for multiseat
[10:27] <cheeseboy> is anyone  willing to set this up for me?
[10:27] <cellofellow> ok, bbl. Windows problems call.
[10:29] <MaximusBrood> I'm trying to get a USB modem to work (Speedtouch 330) with the tutorial on linux-usb (http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html). I'm connecting through PPPoE, but I'm getting "Timeout waiting for PADO packets" followed by "Unable to complete PPPoE Discovery". Can anyone give me a solution for this so I can get my internet working?
[10:30] <maxamillion> i would love to but i lack any experience with usb modems
[10:30] <MaximusBrood> Don't try to get experienced with them, they really suck ;)
[10:31] <cheeseboy> my usb modem just worked no problem
[10:31] <cheeseboy> wireless is where i had trouble :9
[10:31] <cheeseboy> ;( *
[10:32] <MaximusBrood> cheeseboy: What did you do to get it to work, the same thing I did?
[10:33] <cheeseboy> i just plugged in booted and my usb modem orked
[10:33] <cheeseboy> worked*
[10:33] <cheeseboy> how you on right now?
[10:33] <MaximusBrood> I'm using a bridge, wish it would work out of the box.
[10:34] <cheeseboy> maxamillion , can you walk me trough tut?
[10:34] <cheeseboy> through*
[10:34] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: through what tutorial?
[10:35] <cheeseboy> ttp://blog.chris.tylers.info/index.php?/archives/14-Multiseat-X-Under-X11R6.97.0.html
[10:35] <MaximusBrood> Where is pppoe.conf located?
[10:36] <kupo> anyone know how I can tell xubuntu to recognize my built in minipci as wireless and not wired as its showing up now?
[10:37] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that link times out for me
[10:37] <maxamillion> kupo: it knows its wireless, just calls it eth1 (or something similar) ... same thing happens on mine .... don't know why though
[10:38] <cheeseboy> same for me
[10:39] <MaximusBrood> (going offline now to test new config)
[10:40] <cheeseboy> maximillion , link should work
[10:40] <TheSheep_> use 'http' in fornt
[10:40] <TheSheep_> front
[10:40] <TheSheep_> instead of just 'ttp'
[10:41] <maxamillion> i did
[10:41] <maxamillion> still timed out
[10:46] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iii-xorgconf.html
[10:46] <cheeseboy> how bout that one
[10:46] <cheeseboy> ?
[10:47] <MaximusBrood> And back again, didn't work :(
[10:47] <MaximusBrood> cheeseboy: You said it worked instantly with you. What did you do, plug it in, then what?
[10:48] <cheeseboy> booted linux
[10:48] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: that one worked
[10:48] <cheeseboy> click internet
[10:48] <MaximusBrood> Then where did you put in your connection info?
[10:49] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: i'm really not all that sure what you want me to tell you that the tutorial doesn't
[10:49] <kupo> maxamillion: anyway to fix it ?
[10:49] <maxamillion> kupo: fix what?
[10:50] <cheeseboy> do i delte hats in my xorconf and put that?
[10:51] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: is that what to tutorial tells you what do to?
[10:51] <kupo> i would back up your xorg.conf if i were you cheeseboy
[10:52] <kupo> do 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[10:52] <kupo> or
[10:52] <kupo> do 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak-03-16
[10:52] <cheeseboy> i did
[10:52] <kupo> ok
[10:53] <maxamillion> kupo: no ... do "cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.back" because mv will just rename the file (or "move" it to a new location under a new name)
[10:53] <cheeseboy> i have geforce fx4200 so can i use his conf?
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 5200
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 8
[10:54] <cheeseboy> ugh
[10:54] <cheeseboy> 5200*
[10:54] <kupo> maxamillion: good call
[10:56] <maxamillion> :)
[10:58] <cheeseboy>   Identifier  "Card0.1" # CRT-1 (Analog-DVI, DFP-0 : Digital-DVI)
[10:59] <cheeseboy> do i need to schange that to s-video?
[11:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It doesn't matter.  Everything after the '#' is a comment, and therefore ignored.  The identifier itself is just a logical name.
[11:12] <superkirbyartist> I am working on an AbiWord document, and I'd like to add a line.  Can someone help please?
[11:13] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i'm sorry ... i don't follow, what's the issue?
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, you know the lines that go from one end of the page to another?
[11:14] <superkirbyartist> We're talking about split lines.
[11:14] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: so a single sentence that takes 2 lines?
[11:15] <superkirbyartist> Nope, just a line that goes from left to right.
[11:15] <maxamillion> ok
[11:16] <maxamillion> then what is "split" about it?
[11:16] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, never mind the split.
[11:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ___________________________ <--- one of those?
[11:18] <superkirbyartist> Yes, more or less, pumpernickle.  Without using keyboard.
[11:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hm.
[11:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> OOo is what I use, and you can find that in Insert -> Horizontal ruler.  I can't check Abiword for that, since it's not installed.
[11:22] <kupo> maxamillion: I can't do 'iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever'
[11:22] <superkirbyartist> Sorry, pumpernickle, but it doesn't help.  Besides, OOo needs 512MB (swap+RAM combined) of memory.
[11:22] <maxamillion> kupo: oh ... yeah, that ... sorry its been a while since we spoke, i've been doing 100 things in 8 different channels
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: uhmmm... no, no it doesn't
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> Max, any experience with Abi?
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i use Abi daily
[11:23] <kupo> its fine maxamillion
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, OOo crashes when swap is off.  My computer has 256MB RAM.
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> This laptop only has 172MB.
[11:23] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh, yeah... you have to have swap on ... sorry
[11:23] <kupo> superkirbyartist: yeah i would recommend abiword also
[11:23] <superkirbyartist> And laptop has no swap.
[11:24] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: why not?
[11:24] <BrendanM> hey, how do I make letters with accents on them?
[11:25] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, i'll make plans for swap, but the hard drive is 2 gigs.  Xubuntu takes up a lot of room, and so I barely have any space left.  I use a USB more often, though, so free space is not a must.
[11:25] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: ah ... yes
[11:25] <cheeseboy> maximillion
[11:25] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: a debian base/custom install might be something you would benefit from
[11:25] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: yes?
[11:25] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iv-evdev-and-xephyr.html
[11:26] <cheeseboy> do i need to edit that scipt?
[11:26] <superkirbyartist> The crappy way to make lines in abiword: turn underline on, and press space space space.
[11:26] <cheeseboy> script?
[11:27] <superkirbyartist> And Maxamillion, IIRC, Ubuntu is Debian-based.
[11:28] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yes, it is
[11:28] <cheeseboy> just make the underlines white :)
[11:29] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, we don't want that :(
[11:29] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, I want big black lines.
[11:29] <cheeseboy> get open office
[11:29] <cheeseboy> its da best
[11:30] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy, lots of RAM requirements, just like Beryl and Vista.
[11:30] <superkirbyartist> But, at least Beryl lets you use swap, instead of having to buy 512MB RAM.
[11:30] <cheeseboy> so maximillion do i have to edit script?
[11:31] <superkirbyartist> CheeseBoy you make me thing of the new movie with the mouse and the cheese.
[11:31] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: what?
[11:31] <kupo> I wanna try compiz
[11:32] <kupo> maxamillion: so how do i start to fix this?
[11:32] <superkirbyartist> Kupo, Beryl's the latest.  It's release candidate too.
[11:32] <superkirbyartist> I heard Xfce has problems with Beryl.  Is that true?
[11:33] <cheeseboy> look at the link i sent you
[11:33] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: no, i ran beryl on xubuntu for a while but found it annoying and got rid of it
[11:33] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, you can indeed change its plugins.
[11:34] <cheeseboy> http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-iv-evdev-and-xephyr.html
[11:34] <cellofellow> I'm ALL DONE with the Windows problems. I have not only ONE Linux problem: MIDI.
[11:34] <cheeseboy> do i need to edit that script?
[11:34] <cellofellow> brb rebooting (using ssh so I won't go offline.)
[11:34] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: i am aware, i changed it alot, configed it ... installed new themes ... but over all found it annoying
[11:35] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, I agree about it being a ressource hog.
[11:35] <cheeseboy> ...?
[11:35] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, what I don't agree is when Mozilla is called "ressource hog" while its proprietary, Windows-only competitor (IE) takes more RAM.
[11:36] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: because the people who call it a resource hog are generally linux users and they are used to things that go fast
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, of couse.
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> They can buy more RAM or swap.
[11:37] <superkirbyartist> Even though it takes only 30MB or so, depending on plugins/tabs etc.
[11:38] <cheeseboy> ill take that as a no,,
[11:39] <superkirbyartist> If they think it's slow, then they haven't heard of Internet Explorer.
[11:39] <cheeseboy> gmail takes 3 minutesto load in ie
[11:40] <cheeseboy> itssad
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> I heard there's "Internet Explorer for Unix".  Will it run on Linux?
[11:40] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: yeah ... www.ie4linux.org or something
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion, I've heard of such projects.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> But Microsoft has released IE5 for Unix.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> It's not Wine or the like.
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> Will Unix apps run on Linux?
[11:41] <cellofellow> some will, some won't
[11:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[11:42] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh, uhmmm... not all will but alot will, it might need a little porting
[11:43] <cellofellow> Sun prides itself that Linux apps run fine in Solaris a lot of the time.
[11:43] <maxamillion> yeah, they claim 100% compatibility
[11:44] <superkirbyartist> I am downloading it from Wayback Machine.
[11:44] <superkirbyartist> Solaris or HP-UX?
[11:45] <cellofellow> Sun Solaris.
[11:45] <maxamillion> Solaris
[11:45] <maxamillion> err ... Solaris 10 claims 100%
[11:45] <cellofellow> Not HP HP-UX or IBM AIX or *gasp* SCO UNIX.
[11:45] <superkirbyartist> Je me demande pourquoi je telecharge Internet Explorer en premier lieu.
[11:45] <maxamillion> lol ... SCO still exists?
[11:45] <cellofellow> sort of.
[11:46] <maxamillion> heh ... interesting
[11:47] <cheeseboy> ho do i make it start gdm instead of xdm?
[11:48] <oopsy> maxamillion, I don't know if you remember me, but I already tracked down all the packages I needed x)
[11:48] <maxamillion> oopsy: awesome!
[11:48] <maxamillion> oopsy: glad to hear it
[11:49] <cheeseboy> anyone know?
[11:49] <oopsy> :)
[11:50] <maxamillion> cheeseboy: remove xdm? ... or there is a config file somewhere, i just can't remember where
[11:51] <cellofellow> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, select gdm, and configure init so xdm doesn't start anymore.
[11:51] <maxamillion> cellofellow: ah how the debian way dominates :)
[11:54] <maxamillion> ok ... i really have to go work on writing my compiler
[11:54] <superkirbyartist> IE4 Setup for Solaris is 11MB :(
[11:55] <maxamillion> laters all
[11:56] <superkirbyartist> I have to go to, thanks for your time and see you later.
[11:58] <oopsy> THERE!!
[11:58] <cellofellow> whatever happened to alsaconf?
[11:58] <oopsy> all the required packages for build essential without enthernet
[11:58] <cellofellow> coool
[11:58] <oopsy> they're about 40 xD
[11:58] <cellofellow> yikes
[11:59] <oopsy> now to find out the specific order to install them in xubuntu xD
[12:00] <grazie> cellofellow: all handled by udev now
[12:01] <cellofellow> grazie: so, how can I get my PCI sound card, which only shows in lspci nowhere else, working?
[12:02] <grazie> cellofellow: fixing sound can be tricky, specially with udev changes....you looked through the guides?
[12:03] <crimsun> cellofellow: we don't ship it. It's buggy.
[12:03] <cellofellow> ok
[12:03] <crimsun> (we stopped shipping alsaconf as of Hoary.)
[12:03] <cellofellow> grazie: what guides should I look through?
[12:03] <grazie> !sound
[12:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:04] <crimsun> cellofellow: it helps if you pastebin the output from DebuggingSoundProblems and tell us the url
[12:07] <kupo> crimsun: can you help with a problem?
[12:09] <crimsun> not presently, I'm troubleshooting an alsa regression in 2.6.20-11.18
[12:13] <kupo> ok gimme a shout when you're done
[12:19] <cellofellow> grazie: crimsun: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/sound-debug.tar is the sound stuff.
[12:19] <cellofellow> crimsun ^
[12:20] <crimsun> cellofellow: separate text files, please
[12:21] <cellofellow> it's a tarball of seperate text files
[12:22] <crimsun> cellofellow: it's interpreted as binary by my proxy, which prevents downloading
[12:22] <crimsun> (and I don't control that proxy, which of course makes things interesting. I'm not trying to be difficult.)
[12:24] <cellofellow> well, ok