[12:14] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel The next question is how in hell do I rid myself of this damned floppy icon on my desktop.
[12:14] <compilerwriter> Will no one rid me this meddling priest!?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> pull the floppy
[12:14] <compilerwriter> The floppy has already been withdrawn.
[12:15] <BluesKaj> thomas a' beckett....they stabbed him a few times
[12:17] <Urocyon> so you might take a knife and jab your screen a few times to get rid of the floppy icon.
[12:18] <T_A_Beckett> Urocyon I would much rather fix whatever seems the issue.
[12:18] <Urocyon> ah....
[12:18] <Urocyon> I kind of liked the beckett solution.
[12:18] <T_A_Beckett> Jeol_Joel You have any ideas.  I have no clue where to cast my gaze.
[12:18] <NightBird> "A fight was started downtown by a man wearing a suit made completely of mirrors.  The police said the man apologized once he had time to sit down and reflect."
[12:19] <Urocyon> I don't have any systems with floppies, so have never had said floppy problem.
[12:19] <Jeol_Joel> T_A_Beckett: I googled some and came up with some fstab entry, I'm giving it a try....
[12:20] <Jeol_Joel> Somehow I never use any floppies or cdrom, so I have never learnt how it's done by kde.
[12:20] <compilerwriter> If something can go wrong fix it!  To hell with Murphy!
[12:23] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: any dmesg output?
[12:23] <Alonea> Ok, now that I got my video card working again, I am unable to shutdown, just like before. It closes all the programs and the screen goes black and stays there.
[12:24] <Alonea> #ubuntu
[12:24] <Alonea> whoops, sorry about that..forgot join command
[12:25] <compilerwriter> Jeol_Joel Not that refers to a floppy to my knowledge.
[12:25] <Alonea> This is after installing the binary drivers so I could get 3d accel. with my ati card
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Alonea, 'fglrxinfo' in the terminal
[12:27] <Alonea> BluesKaj: ok, it says ati like its supposed to (instead of mesa). 3d stuff is working just fine.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> does your 'fgl_glxgears' work ok ?
[12:29] <Alonea> BluesKaj: yup, just fine. My 3d stuff is fine. I saw other people had same problem somewhere, but I cant find the page anymore
[12:29] <BluesKaj> should have a spinning cube with spinning gears on all the cubefaces
[12:29] <Alonea> BluesKaj: yes, thats what I have
[12:29] <BluesKaj> good
[12:31] <Alonea> BluesKaj: the hint was something like acpi=off on boot, but it didn't work, or I didn't do it correctly. They were not very clear on instructions.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> who ?
[12:32] <compilerwriter> Well jeol_Joel what think thee?
[12:32] <Alonea> BluesKaj: it was a couple weeks ago when I first had this system. I just reinstalled it yesterday. had same problem as before. A couple people said to and a forum somewhere too.
[12:35] <compilerwriter> Morpheus must have had to go back to the underworld.
[12:36] <Alonea> compilerwriter: good times that song. good ole orchestra days
[12:37] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: I soo remember why I'm moving away from floppies. :) Sorry, no can do here.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Alonea, have changed scrn res lately ?
[12:41] <Alonea> BluesKaj: nope. its a thing that just happens on the ubuntu distro when you do the binary driver thing for certain cards.
[12:42] <Alonea> BluesKaj: my screen res is 1440x900 btw if you wanted to know
[12:42] <Alonea> BluesKaj: dinner, be back in  abit
[12:43] <mzanfardino> !kde
[12:43] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE veresion is 3.5.6 for Edgy and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> i have a rudimentary onboard ATI express200, but only time I've run into X freezing , is after trying to force a so called native res that the card won't deliver to the monitor
[12:44] <Jeol_Joel> compilerwriter: It might have something to do with pmount... I'm reading abount it now.
[12:44] <CaBlGuY> anyone help me on printing envolopes in openoffice?
[12:45] <Skuller> is feisty coming out with KDE4?
[12:46] <savor> no
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Skuller, that's the 64kbit question ...no one seems to know for sure :(
[12:46] <Skuller> hehe....ok
[12:47] <Skuller> whats with the '64kbit question'?
[12:47] <savor> Feisty won't have KDE4
[12:48] <Skuller> ohh....
[12:48] <Skuller> but it will have an improved kernel right?
[12:48] <Skuller> i expect my webcam and apc ups to work with the new kernel
[12:49] <dsmith> how many ppl would be willing to get kubuntu stickers that look like the windows one?
[12:50] <savor> Feisty is expected in April while KDE4 isn't expected to be released until much later this year
[12:50] <Skuller> ohh...
[12:50] <dsmith> I found some .svg artwork on the wiki..
[12:51] <Skuller> dsmith: umm...i want stickers to put on my system tower to show i use linux distro....and nto a mzoft product
[12:51] <dsmith> Skuller: The show Kubuntu linux
[12:51] <dsmith> *they
[12:51] <Skuller> who?
[12:52] <dsmith> https://wiki.kubuntu.com/PoweredBy
[12:52] <Skuller> ohh
[12:52] <ermak> is it possible to resize extended partition on hard drive??? can do it with qtparted/gparted....
[12:52] <Skuller> cool...i'll try to print n paste one...:)
[12:52] <dsmith> I made a whole sheet of them on sticky paper
[12:52] <dsmith> I will be pasting them everywhere... :P
[12:53] <mzanfardino> bah, what's the site that lists the debian repositories for kde 3.5.6?
[12:54] <mzanfardino> anyone?
[12:55] <pynsa> holaaa
[12:57] <mzanfardino> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php is the right page, btw
[01:09] <kai> I have a formatting question
[01:09] <kai> I can go from ntfs to linux with writing
[01:10] <kai> how can I write to a ntfs?
[01:10] <bxnp> google ntfs-3g kai
[01:11] <kai> ok, thanx
[01:17] <soulrider> !ntfs-3g | kai
[01:17] <ubotu> kai: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:19] <kai> Thank you, Im trying to use it now
[01:31] <kai> what command is it that I use to see what HHD are dected
[01:31] <kai> its not lusb like I had thought it was
[01:31] <Skuller> kai: arent ur hdd's detected in your /media?
[01:32] <Rumo_> lsusb just lists the mounted device
[01:32] <Rumo_> no your usb devices, sorry
[01:32] <Rumo_> df lists your mounted devices
[01:32] <kai> well I thought I unmounted but its still showing as being mounted
[01:32] <kai> in hui
[01:32] <Rumo_> you can use ls /dev/hd*
[01:32] <kai> gui
[01:32] <Rumo_> or ls /dev/sd*
[01:32] <kai> Thats the one
[01:33] <Skuller> what happ to the topic channel?
[01:33] <kai> I have 3 of them
[01:33] <kai> how do I know which one it is?
[01:34] <Alonea> BluesKaj: what do ya know, I got an ATI Xpress 200 too.
[01:34] <Rumo_> fdisk /dev/...
[01:34] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[01:34] <Skuller> Alonea: your status is away :P
[01:34] <Alonea> BluesKaj: no, this is the res my computer has always been at and what kubuntu set it to.
[01:35] <Alonea> Skuller: oh, yeah, I just got back.
[01:35] <Skuller> hehe
[01:35] <sdlnxgk> !Gtk-Gnutella
[01:35] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[01:36] <Alonea> I tend to forget..used to msn changing it when I get back.
[01:36] <kai> everytime I try to mount w/ the ntfs command it keeps telling me its mounted
[01:36] <Tm_T> Skuller: topic channel?
[01:36] <Skuller> Alonea: yea...same here
[01:36] <Skuller> Tm_T: yes...what happened to the topic channel?
[01:36] <Skuller> it just says "better set +t"
[01:36] <Tm_T> aah, you mean channel topic ;)
[01:36] <Skuller> lol
[01:37] <Skuller> sorry
[01:37] <Skuller> slip of tongue......"channel topic"
[01:37] <sdlnxgk> what is the easiest way to update new packages like gtk-gnutella from edgy depositories??
[01:37] <Tm_T> I think some kiddie has messed around
[01:37] <kai> Thanks people
[01:38] <kai> I got it to work
[01:38] <Skuller> Tm_T: how can a person do that?
[01:38] <Tm_T> Skuller: it's not restricted, yet
[01:38] <sdlnxgk> I'm using dapper  drake right now but want to upgrade to versions of some files without upgrading to edgy..
[01:39] <Tm_T> ok now?
[01:39] <sdlnxgk> do I have to do the whole update?
[01:39] <CzarAlex> Could someone recommend a good graphical HTML editor like dreamweaver?
[01:39] <shadowhywind_> bluefish?
[01:39] <CzarAlex> ya like it?
[01:40] <Tm_T> CzarAlex: Quanta+ ?
[01:40] <shadowhywind_> its ok
[01:40] <Skuller> help with opening .svg please....which soft to use?
[01:40] <Skuller> inkscape?
[01:40] <CzarAlex> shadowhywind_: Thanks. Ill give it a shot.
[01:40] <Skuller> !inkscape
[01:40] <ubotu> Inkscape is a powerful vector graphics drawing application - see http://www.inkscape.org/ for more
[01:40] <Tm_T> Skuller: just show or edit?
[01:41] <Skuller> Tm_T: just show for now
[01:41] <Tm_T> Skuller: konqueror
[01:41] <Tm_T> or, well, tons of others
[01:41] <Skuller> Tm_T: doesnt show properly...it shows as incomplete
[01:41] <beta> !ipv6
[01:41] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[01:42] <Tm_T> Skuller: well, try inkscape then, though just for browsing images I recommend gwenview
[01:42] <Skuller> Tm_T: firefox opens it properly
[01:42] <bonbonthejon> any network gurus around?
[01:42] <Rumo_> depends...
[01:43] <Tm_T> bonbonthejon: can't say, why not to just spit out
[01:43] <jhutchins> -.-. --.-
[01:44] <Rumo_> morse code? ;-)
[01:44] <Skuller> lol
[01:44] <bonbonthejon> trying to set up ndiswrapper (since bcm43xx worked last night, now doesn;t work), I have wlan0 in my ifaces and interfaces files, but system settings doesnt list it as one of my network interfaces
[01:44] <krato|1> soulrider, I'm back. Your advice does not work :( ... partitions are unmounted (mount | grep hda returns 0 lines) but dialog is still raising the error. I can't delete linux partiton and create new in the same place because tool for managing martitions gives me error that the partition can't be unmounted (and it's mounted)... but it isn't mounted...
[01:44] <Rumo_> what does 'ifconfig' say?
[01:45] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: What does iwconfig tell you?
[01:45] <soulrider> krato|1: do this, reboot, that will make sure theya re not mounted, whent he partition manager appears, dont delete the linux ones, just format them
[01:45] <soulrider> and then try installing
[01:45] <soulrider> that worked for me
[01:45] <krato|1> It's enought for one day, I'm going to the bed. Good night soulrider (and also thanks for advice), good night everyone.
[01:45] <soulrider> night krato|1
[01:45] <soulrider> message me tomorrow and i can help you
[01:45] <soulrider> or IM me
[01:45] <krato|1> soulrider, ok, I will try it tomorrow.
[01:46] <Tm_T> krato|1: night, and have fun :)
[01:46] <Skuller> why is ubun used more than kubun?
[01:46] <krato|1> Tm_T, thx :)
[01:46] <Rumo_> it's the default
[01:46] <Tm_T> Skuller: why not?
[01:46] <krato|1> :)
[01:47] <Skuller> Tm_T: i dont know the advantages
[01:47] <jhutchins> Skuller: Gnome.
[01:47] <Skuller> so i dont know why one is used more than the other
[01:47] <jhutchins> Skuller: Takes more brains to run kde.
[01:47] <Skuller> Gnome is an advantage or an option of preference?
[01:47] <Rumo_> no, gnome is default, kde is not, that's all
[01:47] <bonbonthejon> Rumo_: doesnt list wlan0, but ndiswrapper -l says all is fine
[01:47] <bonbonthejon> test
[01:48] <bonbonthejon> iwconfig doesnt mention wlan0
[01:48] <Skuller> Rumo_: default?
[01:48] <Tm_T> Skuller: there's no real advantages, it's just "basic" with gnome, kde is more configurable and maybe that'
[01:48] <Tm_T> s why considered more difficult
[01:48] <Rumo_> skuller: ubuntu came first
[01:48] <Skuller> Tm_T: oh...prolly
[01:48] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: At least reload ndiswrapper.
[01:48] <Rumo_> hmm, bonbonthejon I'm not familiar with ndiswrapper - my intel wlan works fine ;-)
[01:49] <bonbonthejon> jhutchins: I have
[01:49] <Skuller> Rumo_: ok...well i guess people got used to it and dint wanna switch
[01:49] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: WHat do dmesg and /var/log/messages say?
[01:49] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: If iwconfig doesn't show it you don't have the driver loaded.
[01:50] <Skuller> !printer
[01:50] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:50] <Rumo_> Skuller: when kde 4.0 comes out, nobody will talk about gnome anymore ;-)
[01:50] <Skuller> Rumo_: cool...i am waiting for it too
[01:50] <soulrider> KDE 4 will be included in feisty
[01:51] <jhutchins> !feisty
[01:51] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[01:51] <soulrider> jhutchins: i think the same
[01:51] <Skuller> soulrider: i asked that question b4 too here but many people said it wont
[01:51] <Skuller> since KDE4 will be out later
[01:51] <jhutchins> Skuller: If it's not a total train wreck it'll prob'ly get backported.
[01:51] <soulrider> well
[01:52] <soulrider> in #kubuntu-devel i was told it was gonna be included
[01:52] <Rumo_> there'll probably be packages for feisty and feisty+1
[01:52] <soulrider> i may be wrong, so maybe you should go ahead and ask
[01:52] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how I can fix kdm?
[01:52] <jhutchins> soulrider: So is Feisty beta now that we're being asked to test the upgrade?
[01:52] <soulrider> specialbuddy: whats wrong ?
[01:52] <Skuller> soulrider: oh well hope so....i would be glad if it i
[01:52] <bonbonthejon> specialbuddy: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[01:52] <Skuller> is*
[01:52] <Rumo_> no kde 4.0 will be released at the end of october (according to the release schedule)
[01:52] <soulrider> i tried upgrading to feisty last night
[01:52] <specialbuddy> well I updated and now I don't have a gui
[01:52] <soulrider> lets say i had some issues, my falt not the updater
[01:53] <soulrider> and well, im on a fress edgy install now :P
[01:53] <soulrider> specialbuddy: to edgy or to feisty ?
[01:53] <Rumo_> so your X doesn't start, soulrider
[01:53] <soulrider> Rumo_: wasnt my X
[01:53] <specialbuddy> just an update
[01:53] <soulrider> was my kernel :P
[01:53] <jhutchins> soulrider: Did you file it?
[01:53] <specialbuddy> not upgrade
[01:53] <specialbuddy> I have edgy though
[01:53] <soulrider> you just updated some packages ?
[01:53] <specialbuddy> yeah
[01:54] <specialbuddy> and now it doesn't work
[01:54] <soulrider> ok, and kdm doesnt start ?
[01:54] <specialbuddy> nope
[01:54] <specialbuddy> I tried startkde and that didn't work either
[01:54] <soulrider> what command are you using to start it ?
[01:54] <specialbuddy> startkde
[01:54] <soulrider> try
[01:54] <soulrider> kdeinit
[01:55] <jhutchins> specialbuddy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:55] <soulrider> is your x server running though ?
[01:55] <specialbuddy> do I startX to do that?
[01:55] <jhutchins> specialbuddy: You can try startx, but if startkde isn't working it probably won't work, especially since it'll try to default to kde.
[01:56] <specialbuddy> yeah
[01:56] <jhutchins> specialbuddy: startx is all lower case.
[01:56] <jhutchins> specialbuddy: You can just run X, but you won't get any menus or anything.
[01:56] <jhutchins> specialbuddy: X is uppercase.
[01:56] <BluesKaj> specialbuddy, are you at the prompt in TTY ?
[01:56] <specialbuddy> no
[01:57] <Fizzbane> I have a soundblaster audigy SE and 5.1 surround sound speakers. I can get some sound out of the front left and right but none in the other speakers/subwoofer. How can i get my sound to work?
[01:57] <bonbonthejon> i tried ifup eth1, and /var/log/messages sas link not ready
[01:57] <jhutchins> bonbonthejon: Again, if it doesn't show up in iwconfig, the driver's not loaded.
[01:58] <jhutchins> None of the higher-level tools are going to do anything until you get the driver fixed.
[02:00] <bonbonthejon> I modprobed ndiswrapper, but I still get no such device when I try ifup
[02:00] <specialbuddy> jhutchkins, what do you think my best option of fixing this problem is?
[02:05] <slestak> anyone good with udev and hotplug?  my bluetooth card only intializes 20% of the time.  100% of the time with windows.  I have the hci-usb module being loaded in /etc/modules
[02:11] <Alonea> ok, well, that didn't work nor did my wifi card like it either
[02:13] <Alonea> so, my computer will not shut down anymore after installing the binary drivers for my video card. video card is perfectly fine. acpi=off noacpi to my boot does not fix it either.
[02:21] <sbriscoe> hey guys. i got a quick question
[02:22] <sbriscoe> automatically searching for my bluetooth mouse on startup.
[02:22] <sbriscoe> HIDD_ENABLED=1
[02:22] <sbriscoe> HIDD_OPTIONS="-i XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX --server"
[02:22] <sbriscoe> i wanna run that at boot
[02:24] <sbriscoe> anybody?
[02:26] <Lam_> i'm running the latest wine on kubuntu edgy and i can't seem to get CS to load to the main menu. steam loads up perfectly but when i try to play CS, it freezes completely.  anyone know of what could be happening?
[02:27] <sbriscoe> what version of wine?
[02:27] <fernando> how can I use aquamarine on beryl?
[02:28] <fignew> fernando: install beryl
[02:28] <fignew> and using the beryl systray icon
[02:28] <fignew> you can select aquamarine
[02:29] <fernando> wher?
[02:29] <fernando> where
[02:29] <Lam_> sbriscoe: 0.9.32
[02:29] <fignew> fernando: press <alt> space and type in beryl
[02:29] <fignew> and it'll pop up
[02:29] <soulrider> does anyone know if there is a way to make only one of the panels in the desktop transparent? and not all of them ?
[02:29] <fernando> I have beryl running
[02:29] <fernando> I can use beryl
[02:30] <fernando> only I can't use aquamarine
[02:30] <fignew> fernando: yes, this will start the systray program
[02:30] <fernando> I don't know where can I activate the style
[02:30] <fignew> you change it through the systray program
[02:30] <fignew> which you have to start first!
[02:30] <fernando> but is running
[02:31] <fignew> the gem icon is in the systray?
[02:31] <fernando> I can see the sistry
[02:31] <fernando> yes
[02:31] <fignew> ok
[02:31] <fignew> click on it
[02:31] <fignew> an look under window decorator
[02:32] <fernando> I see only esmerald theme
[02:32] <fignew> ah, apt-get install aquamarine
[02:33] <fernando> I have it installed
[02:33] <fernando> is ready
[02:33] <fignew> strange
[02:33] <fignew> 1 sec
[02:33] <fernando> ok
[02:34] <fignew> does anything happen when you run aquamarine from the terminal?
[02:34] <fernando> wait..
[02:35] <fernando> I get Found not compatible window manager. Waiting...
[02:35] <fernando> I restart beryl and now I get:
[02:35] <fernando> New Window Manager
[02:35] <fernando> Found not compatible window manager. Waiting...
[02:36] <sdlnxgk> anyone using  dapper drake gtk-gnutella upgrade to new  version yet??
[02:36] <fignew> fernando: no idea what's going on... ask in #beryl
[02:39] <sdlnxgk> how do I edit repository to upgrade  gtk-gnutella from edgy if i'm using dapper drake??
[02:39] <rourke> anybody please show me a kdialog one-liner that really makes the message box show a different font than the kde default? tips: syntax should be "kdialog --font <fontname> --msgbox 'test font'" and <fontname> is in XLFD format (e.g. "-*-sans-*-*-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" -- this is a valid example, but kdialog doesn't show it when i use it)
[02:40] <_spaz> gah O_o
[02:40] <_spaz> i tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy using apt-get
[02:41] <_spaz> but it won't finish booting
[02:41] <_spaz> >_>
[02:42] <_spaz> it shows the progress bar
[02:42] <_spaz> and it even completes
[02:42] <sdlnxgk> I don't want to upgrade to edgy just want some of it's packages like gtk-gnutella
[02:42] <sdlnxgk> I heard it's best to do a clean install  of edgy so there are no issues
[02:42] <_spaz> well i was installing feisty
[02:43] <_spaz> >_>
[02:43] <sdlnxgk> everything works great in dapper drake but can't use gtk-gnutella anymore because of the older version
[02:43] <_spaz> i imagine that apt-get wasn't the best way
[02:43] <_spaz> >_>
[02:43] <sdlnxgk> not sure  there _spaz
[02:43] <sdlnxgk> I wouldn't use apt-get for a dist-upgrade
[02:44] <_spaz> unfortunatley i have to because i don't have a burner :(
[02:44] <sdlnxgk> don't want to do a clean install of edgy just got dapper drake to where I like it :)
[02:44] <KrAmMeR> is there a way to get just the kmenu to be translucent, and not the menu's of other programs?
[02:44] <sdlnxgk> that sucks..
[02:44] <_spaz> i understand you there sdlnxgk
[02:44] <aaron_> hi, I just installed edgy from a chroot in dapper... I had to figure out how to use route to get online... anyway How do I get the scripts to generate all that autoconfigured goodness ?
[02:44] <_spaz> i know how you feel
[02:45] <_spaz> but i screwed up edgy when i had it installed
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> _spaz you could always buy it from some linux store online for couple of bucks..
[02:45] <_spaz> so i figured, might as well upgrade while i reinstall
[02:45] <_spaz> i'm really really broke
[02:45] <_spaz> >_>
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> I know that feeling
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> but hell you can sell something to get the linux distro for a couple of bucks
[02:45] <sdlnxgk> lol
[02:45] <kyuuketsuki> help! I can't open kate from konsole or add/remove programs gui
[02:45] <_spaz> i could try...
[02:46] <_spaz> but i
[02:46] <aaron_> while I'm in the enviornment that I want to be in... My xorg config isn't the same as if I ran off the CD, and my network interfaces and fstab are blank...  I don't want to manage these for the rest of my system's life
[02:46] <_spaz> nm
[02:46] <aaron_> (somehow it detected vesa instead of rage)
[02:46] <kyuuketsuki> ok, got the add remove working
[02:46] <kyuuketsuki> kate sti not working
[02:47] <sdlnxgk> what if you try alt+F2 and then type kate ???
[02:47] <kyuuketsuki> kate opens that way...
[02:47] <sdlnxgk> wierd
[02:48] <kyuuketsuki> then why can't I open it from konsoe
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> for me that is the fastest  way to open in KDE ;)
[02:48] <sdlnxgk> are you root or a user in konsole??
[02:48] <kyuuketsuki> yes
[02:49] <kyuuketsuki> "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:49] <sdlnxgk> well shouldn't really matter what you are should still work on cli
[02:49] <kyuuketsuki> "
[02:49] <Specialbuddy> can anyone help me fix my kubuntu problems using a live cd?
[02:49] <fami> !wiki mp3
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki mp3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <fami> !wiki wmv
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki wmv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <kyuuketsuki> it opens then instantly freezes
[02:49] <fami> !wiki dat
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wiki dat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <fami> any ever hear these formats mp3,wmv,dat on kubuntu?
[02:50] <fignew> !mp3
[02:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:51] <diegosx> hi
[02:51] <fami> ok fignew
[02:51] <diegosx> how to use Wibu?
[02:51] <_spaz> hiya
[02:51] <diegosx> Wubi*
[02:52] <diegosx> how to use Wubi?
[02:52] <Specialbuddy> can anyone help me with my xserver issues?
[02:53] <agracey> what issues
[02:54] <Specialbuddy> agracey, It got screwed up when I updated
[03:01] <Specialbuddy> is anyone on here?
[03:08] <beta> when doing sudo checkinstall will itn actually already install the .deb package or just build it?
[03:09] <beta> -n
[03:09] <Aiwuu> how i install KDeTHEME manager?
[03:11] <dbglt> hey guys, I've got a mac os x laptop that is filesharing and I want to connect to. How do I browse/search/connect to the share within kde?
[03:12] <fiction> !nvidia
[03:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:14] <fiction> How do i enable restricted packages in kubuntu?
[03:14] <fuel> !multiverse
[03:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> wubi looks nice, there's an official one though.  nice to see ubuntu taking a cue from BeOS
[03:18] <Aiwuu> how i install KDeTHEME manager?
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !themes
[03:18] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:19] <voidmage> !changethemes
[03:19] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[03:19] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[03:23] <cosmo_>  I can't seem to get my 6600gt to show my second monitor, I have it working in ubuntu but can't seem to get it to work in kubuntu, anyone know how to fix it, I have already modified my xorg like the guides say to enable twinview
[03:25] <ilers> wassup
[03:32] <shadowhywind> is there a file in for the display options in system settings that i can delete/recreate?
[03:32] <unclemike> ? whats the main package to trun ubuntu into kubuntu
[03:33] <shadowhywind> i believe it is just kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <shadowhywind> there may be others
[03:33] <BluesKaj> unclemike, kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <T3hWiz0rd> theres also kde-somethin'
[03:33] <BluesKaj> or kde , but most recommend kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <T3hWiz0rd> core-kde? dunno
[03:34] <bradfed> Does anyone know a way to do a ssh port forward while in the session, without quiting or restarting?
[03:34] <Fizzbane> is there a set of keys to turn off my pc?
[03:34] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: shutdown? lol
[03:34] <Fizzbane> like ctrl+alt+something
[03:34] <Fizzbane> i cant click shutdown
[03:34] <T3hWiz0rd> type it?
[03:34] <Fizzbane> my window manger died
[03:35] <Fizzbane> i cant open anything
[03:35] <unclemike> k thanks
[03:35] <unclemike> ok thanks 208 packages downloading
[03:35] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: are you trying to reboot?
[03:35] <bradfed> to shutdown rm -Rf /*
[03:35] <Fizzbane> im trying to shutdown or reboot, one of the 2 would be great
[03:35] <Fizzbane> or both
[03:35] <T3hWiz0rd> bradfed: that can get your ass kicked out of here
[03:35] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: just type reboot
[03:35] <bradfed> yeah I was just kidding.
[03:35] <Fizzbane> in what?
[03:35] <bradfed> sorry fizzy
[03:36] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: don't you have a gui window open? hit control alt f1
[03:36] <Fizzbane> oh right
[03:36] <T3hWiz0rd> and it should prompt you for a terminal login
[03:36] <sdlnxgk> !source.list
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source.list - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: you can still hit terminal
[03:36] <sdlnxgk> !sources.list
[03:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:36] <Fizzbane> kk, what does that thing do that bradfed told me?
[03:36] <Fizzbane> i wanna know now
[03:36] <unclemike> Fizzbane, worse comes to worse..hit the power button
[03:37] <bradfed> it deletes everything
[03:37] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: that erases your entire root partition forcefully.
[03:37] <Fizzbane> haha fun
[03:37] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: its a bannable offense for him to tell anyone that, hes lucky no ops were looking.
[03:37] <bradfed> like del /s * in windows
[03:37] <Fizzbane> i dont like windows, it dies every month
[03:38] <bradfed> but windows would say in use, I belive linux would just wipe most everything
[03:38] <Fizzbane> ah
[03:38] <bradfed> well, it would crash way before everything. Are you logged in as root, fizzy?
[03:39] <Fizzbane> yeah
[03:39] <Fizzbane> ill reboot in a sec
[03:39] <bradfed> are you on a desktop like kde or gnome
[03:39] <Fizzbane> kde
[03:39] <bradfed> Why do you want to reboot?
[03:39] <Fizzbane> cuz you know the bar thingy
[03:39] <T3hWiz0rd> he already said, kde took a dump
[03:39] <bradfed> I missed that part, just joined.
[03:40] <Fizzbane> well its frozen and i cant click it
[03:40] <sdlnxgk> if kde  took  a dump just restart xserver
[03:40] <bradfed> The bottom task bar?
[03:40] <T3hWiz0rd> 0.o
[03:40] <Fizzbane> the taskbar died
[03:40] <T3hWiz0rd> i didn't realize it was that kinda dump, i tohught maybe graphics-driver related
[03:40] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: this isn't windows, we don't reboot
[03:40] <blanky> hey guys
[03:40] <sdlnxgk> ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo killall kicker
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> then launch kicker (alt + f2)
[03:40] <blanky> my videos (like trailers for example) aren't being embedded into web pages, instead they spawn an instance of totem, how can I make them embedded?
[03:41] <T3hWiz0rd> Fizzbane: do what sdlnxgk said, cotrl+alt+backspace
[03:41] <blanky> please :'(
[03:41] <bradfed> Yea linux is much better than windows, you can just kill the process. Kinda like killing explorer and restarting it from taskmanager
[03:41] <sdlnxgk> my kicker is always  giving me trouble loading  the  first time
[03:41] <Fizzbane> yeah
[03:41] <Fizzbane> well ill do crtl+alt+baclspace
[03:42] <sdlnxgk> come  back and let us know if the kicker is up after restarting xserver
[03:42] <Fizzbane> it was working fine this afternoon untill i tried installing themes and icons and changing the colour of stuff.
[03:43] <Fizzbane> alright ill be back in a sec
[03:43] <sdlnxgk> k
[03:43] <unclemike> ? beside kde and gnome...is there a difference in kubuntu and ubuntu
[03:44] <bradfed> Does anyone know a way to add a port forward in a ssh session without restarting or quiting the same channel?
[03:44] <Fizzbane> ok my taskbar is ok
[03:44] <sdlnxgk> nice..
[03:44] <Fizzbane> hmm
[03:44] <Fizzbane> so is my pc fine now?
[03:44] <sdlnxgk> Fizz what now??
[03:44] <Fizzbane> it looks ok
[03:44] <sdlnxgk> should be..
[03:44] <Fizzbane> my secound moniter isnt on again
[03:44] <sdlnxgk> just play with it and tweak it and see how it feels
[03:45] <bradfed> Does KDE 3.5.6 have any major improvments or advantages?
[03:45] <__Chris> How do I see my IP on Ubuntu?  Thanks
[03:45] <sdlnxgk> bradfed i haven't updated to the newest yet me doesn't know sorry..
[03:45] <Fizzbane> beryl is broke
[03:46] <bradfed> Fizz was the second monitor working before? did someone walk you through changing your xorg.conf or can KDE do that from control panel?
[03:46] <neptunepink> bradfed: maybe ^z, ssh -whatever &; fg?
[03:46] <userund> __Chris, ifconfig
[03:47] <sdlnxgk> anyone using dapper drake??
[03:47] <bradfed> neptunepink: ctrl z or carret? what's fg mean?
[03:47] <Fizzbane> i changed the settings in the nvidia settings like i was told to but it never sticks after i turn my pc back on in the morning(i turn my pc off at night to reduce my ever increasing power bill)
[03:47] <reggie> foreground
[03:47] <Fizzbane> the 2nd moniter is working now
[03:47] <Fizzbane> beryl is not working like it should though
[03:48] <sdlnxgk> Fizz just set monitor to turn off after 20 mins to save energy :)
[03:48] <__Chris> userund thanks!
[03:48] <Fizzbane> my pc uses alot of power
[03:48] <aziz> got a question about "grep". I want the pattern to match across new-lines, but I don't know how to that
[03:48] <Fizzbane> not just my moniters
[03:48] <unclemike> Fizzbane, pc dont use hardly any power...mine stays on 24/7
[03:48] <sdlnxgk> I have 4 pc in my room right now and it's HOT as hell in here :(
[03:48] <aziz> how to do that
[03:48] <Fizzbane> haha
[03:49] <bradfed> ah, dumb me, I knew that, but I didn't start the tunnel. Im trying to gain access to a remote network, and I only had time to create a tunnel and forward back to rdp. The username and password I have doesnt have term ser rights. So now Im going to try with dameware.
[03:49] <__Chris> I have Ruby on Rails on my Ubuntu, but now it doesn't seem to be working.  When I type my IP in firefox, I get some .PHTML file.  Where is the "normal" www for Apache?
[03:49] <unclemike> sdlnxgk, trun the fan or AC on
[03:49] <bradfed> So i cannot stop or kill the tunnel, cus I have no way to get it back
[03:50] <Fizzbane> well i turn it off cuz it has a window on the side and lights in it from my 5 120mm fans
[03:50] <reggie> has anyone had any luck getting citrix to work with konq?
[03:50] <reggie> works fine with firefox
[03:50] <sdlnxgk> unclemike got the fan on full blast with cool air coming from  the outside but still warmer then I like it to be..
[03:51] <sdlnxgk> almost done fixing two of the pc's
[03:51] <__Chris> Fizzbane - I haven't tried, but I believe that CITRIX is heavily dependent on IE stuff...
[03:51] <reggie> when i launch an application, konq asks to open or save the file
[03:51] <reggie> i select open, but konq just hangs out
[03:51] <__Chris> CITRIX doesn't work for me on Firefox at my work.
[03:51] <bradfed> reggie, seems like just having your java virtual machine referenced would work
[03:51] <Fizzbane> __Chris: not me chris
[03:51] <bradfed> and those simple java settings in koquorer.
[03:51] <__Chris> Sorry, Reggie
[03:52] <reggie> i'm sorry guys, i'm not sure what you mean
[03:52] <unclemike> sdlnxgk, being that hot where you from...i live in florida..feels good right now
[03:53] <bradfed> Reggie: why don't you just install the linux client for citrix, and when it pops up to download the msp file, tell it "open with" and point to the citrix excutable.
[03:53] <reggie> i did
[03:53] <sdlnxgk> unclemike i'm in Southern California
[03:53] <reggie> works in firefox
[03:53] <reggie> konq doesn't do anything with it
[03:53] <sdlnxgk> ok who is using dapper drake need help upgrade a program that is in edgy
[03:54] <bradfed> It won't let you browse for something to open the file with when you click on your app or desktop and it pops what u want to do?
[03:54] <reggie> exactly, it won't let me browse for the application to launch
[03:56] <bzbb> when i try to start KDE, or any kde application, I get :Could not read network connection list. /home/john/.DCOPserver_media_localhost_10
[03:56] <bzbb> any KDE applications then tell me permission denied for starting IOslaves
[03:56] <sdlnxgk> how can I upgrade gtk-gnutella from dapper drake to the edgy
[03:57] <sdlnxgk> can't use apt-get becasue i'm not sure what source to add to sources.list to just upgrade that one program..
[03:58] <bradfed> bzbb: i got that a while ago, look in /etc/hosts and make sure that info is right. Should be the same host name u see on the command line
[03:59] <bzbb> my /etc/hosts has localhost has 127.0.0.1 and my hostname as my IP address
[03:59] <bradfed> bzbb: make sure you have an entry for localhost. Also, clear out your tmp file locations for kde.
[04:00] <bzbb> there is no KDE stuff in .tmp
[04:01] <bradfed> bzbb: you don't see kde stuff in /tmp
[04:01] <bradfed> are you in kde or it wont start?
[04:01] <bzbb> kde won't start
[04:02] <bradfed> no ksocket stuff? nothing in tmp?
[04:02] <bzbb> nothing
[04:02] <aaron_> how do I get my network/interfaces and fstab created automatically?  I want to run the scripts that came from the cd again... without the cd
[04:02] <bzbb> just a .xlock
[04:02] <bzbb> .DCOPserver_media_NODISPLAY is the only dcop file in my home
[04:03] <bradfed> How are you starting KDE?
[04:03] <bzbb> from KDM
[04:03] <aaron_> I also want the sources list that comes listed on the CD.. I don't get why I don't have them
[04:03] <bzbb> however, right now, I'm on a remote connection with a ssh -X connection to the box
[04:03] <bzbb> and I've been launching kde apps to test
[04:04] <bzbb> as they have the same problem
[04:04] <bradfed> has it ever worked for you this way?
[04:04] <bzbb> I used to be able to run amarok
[04:04] <bradfed> where are you trying to display the apps
[04:04] <cosmo_>  I can't seem to get my 6600gt to show my second monitor, I have it working in ubuntu but can't seem to get it to work in kubuntu, anyone know how to fix it, I have already modified my xorg like the guides say to enable twinview
[04:04] <sdlnxgk> aaron_ make your own  sources.list here  http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[04:05] <bzbb> either machine gives me the same error
[04:05] <bradfed> if you are forwarding X11 with ssh, on the client and the server. you should just be able to run amarok from the remote ssh command line
[04:06] <bzbb> bradfed, yeah, and doing that gives me the above mentioned error message
[04:06] <bzbb> which is the same as if I do it on the machine that is not working
[04:06] <bzbb> I'd sit in front of it, but its awkward
[04:06] <bradfed> so kde never starts on the ssh server?
[04:06] <bzbb> being a media box attached to a television only
[04:07] <bzbb> KDE/ KDE apps never start on the ssh server
[04:07] <bradfed> funny I have the same thing, but do it kde and bsd
[04:07] <bzbb> I hope to get amarok working
[04:07] <bradfed> do you have the right hostname is /etc/hosts
[04:07] <bzbb> make my windows running roommates jealous
[04:07] <bradfed> on the server?
[04:07] <bzbb> yes
[04:07] <aaron_> sdlnxgk: the sad thing is I know how to do that :... I just want to know why they are there on a cd install, but not from a debootstrap install
[04:07] <cam8001> .
[04:08] <bzbb> er, wait
[04:08] <aaron_> ..er.. sdlnxgk actually.. I don't care why, I just want to know how to get it the same as from a cd install
[04:08] <bzbb> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[04:08] <bzbb> 127.0.1.1       media
[04:08] <aaron_> iit's kinda hard when I don't gotta cd ;)
[04:09] <bradfed> fix that, and put in it's real IP.
[04:09] <sdlnxgk> aaron_ have you checked in /etc/apt to see if there is a sources.list.save file??
[04:09] <bradfed> with realhost name, what you see from the command line, once logged into the server.
[04:09] <bzbb> that is media
[04:09] <bzbb> should it be 127.0.0.1?
[04:09] <bradfed> yea
[04:10] <bzbb> changed it
[04:10] <bradfed> or it's private ip,
[04:10] <bzbb> still doesn't work
[04:10] <bradfed> ?
[04:10] <bzbb> I changed /etc/hosts
[04:10] <bzbb> and I still get the same errors
[04:11] <bradfed> same error, huh, can you type the error the exact same, and force kdm to restart, i think it caches it
[04:11] <bradfed> killall -9 kdm
[04:11] <bzbb> Could not read network connection list. /home/john/.DCOPserver_media_localhost_10
[04:12] <bzbb> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Permission denied
[04:12] <bzbb> Could not bind to socket '/home/john/.kde/socket-media/kdeinit_localhost_10'
[04:13] <bradfed> when did you get that?
[04:13] <ubuntu> hi
[04:13] <ubuntu> i'm installing kubuntu
[04:13] <ubuntu> how can i install the nvidia drivers?
[04:13] <omgponiezlol> ubuntu: it uses the nv driver
[04:13] <omgponiezlol> !nvidia
[04:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:13] <omgponiezlol> that one may be non-free
[04:13] <bzbb> bradfed: its in the console log of amarok, or any other KDE application, and in an error box when I launch KDE from the login screen
[04:13] <ubuntu> tanxsssssssssssss
[04:14] <bradfed> did u  restart kdm?
[04:14] <bzbb> yes
[04:16] <bradfed> bzbb: ok cat /etc/hostname and make sure it says media
[04:16] <bzbb> it does
[04:16] <cosmo_> how do I delete files as root?
[04:17] <bradfed> bzbb: i see 127.0.1.1 in my hosts file too. Strange. so you need to switch that back. cus mine's working.
[04:17] <bzbb> what are the permissions on your .kde dir?
[04:18] <bzbb> mine look right
[04:18] <bradfed> drwx------
[04:19] <bradfed> you can always chmod -R 777 ~/.kde to test, but that's wide open
[04:19] <bzbb> I get permission denied errors on .kde/socket-media
[04:19] <bzbb> its owned by root
[04:19] <bradfed> sudo chmod -R 777 /home/john/.kde
[04:20] <bzbb> well, that fixed it
[04:20] <bzbb> I wonder how that happened
[04:21] <bradfed> I dont no, why would root own that? did u run kde as root?
[04:23] <cosmo_> what is the command in the terminal to delete a file?
[04:23] <bradfed> bzbb:do you change your display varible, and push video to your tv from a remote ssh connection
[04:23] <userund> cosmo_, rm
[04:25] <bradfed> cosmo: be careful, if you do a -R or a wildcard it aint like windows, you are screwed
[04:26] <cosmo_> oh I know I was very specific about which files I deleted
[04:27] <bradfed> I deleted my etc directory one time doing that.
[04:27] <cosmo_> after backing up copies of the file I deleted tty3-6
[04:27] <bradfed> How come?
[04:28] <fiction> Howcome ubuntu synpatic found wxpython, but Adept doesn't? does Kubuntu not support it?
[04:29] <cosmo_> to save some ram and don't need the extra virtual consoles, but I made backups of the files incase I need to revert back
[04:30] <bradfed> strange, never thought of doing that. Where did u come up with that from?
[04:31] <cosmo_> found it on the kubuntu forums
[04:31] <bradfed> I will need to do that.
[04:31] <bradfed> cool
[04:32] <cosmo_> yeah found quite a few customizations and optimization tips on there
[04:32] <bradfed> any other neat things like that?
[04:33] <cosmo_> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php
[04:33] <bradfed> cosmo: seems like they would have just told the users to modify inetd.conf. I think, but could be wrong, that's where those tty start
[04:34] <cosmo_> yeah found some stuff on http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#prelink
[04:34] <aaron_> history
[04:34] <cosmo_> found that stuff while trying to find a solution to my twinview problem
[04:36] <bradfed> what is Superkaramba? how can I install it?
[04:37] <underdog5004> bradfed, sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[04:37] <underdog5004> it allows you to install "widgets" or "gadgets" onto your desktop
[04:37] <bradfed> tried it maybe I need more sources for apt.
[04:37] <underdog5004> I've got a clock and a cpu-usage monitor
[04:37] <underdog5004> bradfed, yeah, whenever I do a new install I go through the sources.list and uncomment everything
[04:38] <underdog5004> probably bad form though
[04:38] <bradfed> I havent done that though, new install.
[04:39] <underdog5004> anyone know how to monitor the temp of my 2.5 Ghz Celeron?
[04:40] <underdog5004> bradfed, to uncomment stuff, just do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <Brutha-of-Om> hey all, anyone know how to have a console only login for feisty? (disable kdm)?
[04:40] <bradfed> underdog: do you know how to create a ssh tcp port forward while in a ssh session. with out closing or quiting the session.
[04:40] <Derive[x] > hola
[04:40] <bradfed> I uncommented and did an apt-get update
[04:41] <bradfed> under: i see the package now. is it a theme or what?
[04:41] <underdog5004> bradfed, I'm not sure you can do that, unless your only firewall is iptables
[04:42] <underdog5004> bradfed, It's just a program you can install plugins with...desktop gadgets and such
[04:42] <underdog5004> sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[04:42] <bradfed> It has nothing to do with your firewall. it's through the tunnel.
[04:42] <underdog5004> then run superkaramba and add new stuff
[04:42] <bradfed> yea  i got the package, or about to
[04:43] <bradfed> I ran debian for 5 years, before messing with kubuntu, I love apt
[04:43] <underdog5004> bradfed, but if you've got a router or something in the way, then you'll need to manually port-forward a port...maybe use lynx
[04:43] <fiction> Howcome ubuntu synpatic found wxpython, but Adept doesn't? does Kubuntu not support it?
[04:43] <bradfed> nope
[04:43] <underdog5004> bradfed, no router?
[04:43] <fiction> i think he said nope to me
[04:43] <underdog5004> ah
[04:43] <fiction> which makes me sad =[
[04:44] <fiction> cant use my fav python IDE on kubuntu, what the heck
[04:44] <bradfed> no im saying your wrong underdog. ssh port forward having nothing to do with the firewall, that's why they are so cool
[04:44] <underdog5004> hmmm, I had to open a port on my router/firewall to ssh in from the outside
[04:45] <bradfed> Of course you need your first port forward to the ssh server, but you can include statements in ssh client which forward ports from the clients machine to the servers network.
[04:45] <underdog5004> right
[04:45] <underdog5004> ok, so on what machine are you trying to forward ports, client or server?
[04:46] <bradfed> like I can establish a ssh session to my server, at work, and then connect to the citrix server by telling citrix to connect to 1494 on my local machine. never having forward 1494 through my works firewall
[04:46] <underdog5004> oh, ok
[04:46] <sdlnxgk> !gtk-gnutella
[04:46] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[04:46] <underdog5004> I'm no great shakes with ssh...sorry
[04:47] <underdog5004> just use it to keep track of my bittorrent d/ls with rtorrent
[04:47] <underdog5004> anyone know how to monitor the temp of my 2.5 Ghz Celeron?
[04:48] <intelikey> good even
[04:48] <sdlnxgk> anyone good at using sources.list???
[04:49] <bradfed> I have the ports forwarded, but I need to add another ssh port forward in the session without closing it. Im in pissing match with an admin at work and he cut off my outside access, so to get around him i established a tunnel to my house and left it up witha ssh forward to my machine with rdp. The same ahole  cut off my rdp rights, so now i want to forward damewares default port but i cannot quit the tunnel to do it because i dont have
[04:49] <bradfed> a way to start it back up again, because ssh's port is not forward through works firewall
[04:49] <intelikey> sdlnxgk using sources.list ?
[04:50] <bradfed> If anyone hasn't played with ssh's port forwarding ability, you are missing out. You can beat really any firewall with it. even new cisco ase's by putting your ssh server on tcp port 443.
[04:50] <sdlnxgk> intelikey  i'm  trying to update gtk-gnutella... i'm using dapper drake but the new version is on edgy or feisty depositories
[04:50] <bradfed> it easy to use, and the putty client for windows can do it all.
[04:51] <sdlnxgk> yup been using putty client for years..
[04:51] <sdlnxgk> never tried it with linux before
[04:52] <intelikey> sdlnxgk why are you wanting to use an out of version package ?    but at any rate just wget the package and use dpkg -i on it
[04:52] <bradfed> For it admins, you can use ssh's port forward ability to control an end users workstation without know public ip, having any firewall ports open or anything.
[04:52] <sdlnxgk> intelikey because the package is not supported in dapper drake any longer :(
[04:52] <bradfed> sdlnxgk: what do you putty to?
[04:53] <sdlnxgk> when i'm work I putty to my linux box..
[04:53] <intelikey> sdlnxgk that might  and probably will   give dependancy errors.  but it's better than hosing the package manager altogather.
[04:53] <sdlnxgk> intelikey what is wget??
[04:53] <intelikey> man wget
[04:53] <sdlnxgk> hehhehehhe
[04:53] <intelikey> or just serf to the repo and dl it with your browser
[04:54] <bradfed> at home? if you wanted to get your desktop at work, and not forward vnc because it's so insecure, you can ssh to home box, and with
[04:54] <sdlnxgk> ya just putty from work computer to my linux box at home using putty
[04:55] <bradfed> putty there are tunnel settings so you forward 5900 vnc's default, to your local work workstation, and open vncviewer at work and connect to localhost and you will get your home computer desktop without any security compromise
[04:56] <intelikey> leaving the computer running unattended is a security compromise.
[04:56] <bradfed> So instead of just getting a command line you will get your whole desktop, and with ssh's compression it work pretty good. Or you can forwar another machine desktop window or linux
[04:57] <bradfed> itelikey: what do you mean?
[04:57] <sdlnxgk> can't  install  vnc  at work
[04:57] <sdlnxgk> websense blocks installing  certain programs
[04:57] <bradfed> you don't need to install it, just run it.
[04:57] <bradfed> like from a usb pen drive,
[04:58] <intelikey> bradfed nothing.      "only save box, is the one without electricity"
[04:58] <sdlnxgk> bradfed  you got a link to easy set up for ssh like your talking about would love to have gui instead of cli :)
[04:58] <Derive[x] > alo ?
[04:59] <fiyawerx> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to mount a cd bin/cue image without burning it in kubuntu? can you?
[04:59] <intelikey> !bin
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <fiyawerx> !cue
[04:59] <intelikey> !cue
[04:59] <intelikey> :)
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <bradfed> Man, I can tell you and can remember it's so easy. can you rdp to a windows box where putty is installed? or have machine where you can reference it
[04:59] <intelikey> hmmm ignorant bot.
[04:59] <fiyawerx> !images
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about images - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <fiyawerx> hmm
[05:00] <fiyawerx> !iso
[05:00] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[05:00] <fiyawerx> guess i'll have to convert it first
[05:00] <sdlnxgk> bradfed don't know to much about my machine  at work it's locked up pretty tight
[05:00] <fiyawerx> thanks intelikey
[05:01] <bradfed> but they let you run putty, and ssh? Man that"s all you need to completely beat their firewall
[05:01] <bradfed> the reason im going on about this is because, we i started to grasp ssh ability i was blown away.
[05:01] <intelikey> fiyawerx yeah i don't know the specifics but basically meld the two parts into an iso with "some" app and then mount -o loop the thing.
[05:02] <sdlnxgk> bradfed ya  don't know too much about it myself other then using putty
[05:02] <sdlnxgk> and that is pretty easy windows program to use
[05:02] <sdlnxgk> if I could get my linux box gui up at  work that would be sweet :)
[05:02] <bradfed> sdl:im sure they monitor and block websites, if you can ssh out you can use putty as a proxy and go to any site you want with any notice on the firewall because all it sees is port 22 ssh
[05:03] <bradfed> without any logs of it
[05:03] <sdlnxgk> bradfed  correct  can do that now with putty ;)
[05:03] <bradfed> http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.52/htmldoc/Chapter3.html#3.5 here's a decent start
[05:03] <bradfed> with links and the command line?
[05:03] <sdlnxgk> bradfed  checking it out now..
[05:03] <bradfed> or lynxs
[05:04] <sdlnxgk> no just  cli
[05:04] <intelikey> elinks
[05:04] <intelikey> links2
[05:04] <sdlnxgk> putty  can use  gui too but can't get it too work
[05:04] <bradfed> oh ok, to get your linux box gui at work do this, apt-get install x11vnc at home
[05:04] <fiyawerx> sdlnxgk: if you can install a client at work, nomachine.org's nxclient ROCKS
[05:04] <fiyawerx> thats what i use
[05:05] <fiyawerx> and you can get their program for free server too (2 simultaenous connection max)
[05:05] <intelikey> anyone know how to install grub on a partitionless disk ?    can it even be done?
[05:05] <bradfed> yea nxclient is cool, but here's an easy way sdl:
[05:05] <fiyawerx> it can auto-ssh everything too
[05:05] <bradfed> x11vnc -display :0 at home
[05:06] <sdlnxgk> now I can't wait till sunday night and go to work and try this out ;)
[05:06] <fiyawerx> altho, half the time unless i _really_ need a web browser at home, i just use centericq for CLI instant messaging, so used to it
[05:07] <bradfed> forward local port under tunnels in putty to anything not being used on ur work computer like 65000 to private ip address of home computer 192.168.19.10:5900 5900 is vnc default port
[05:07] <fiyawerx> people that walk by just think its one of our work unix machines
[05:08] <bradfed> then open vncviewer off a pen drive or cdrom, all the dll's and stuff in the same folder as the viewer, and open it up and type in localhost:5900 and you will get your home linux boxes desktop
[05:09] <bradfed> fiy: do you forward freenx through ssh?
[05:10] <bradfed> sdl: here a link that makes a lot more sense
[05:10] <bradfed> http://www.tech-recipes.com/unix_software_tips262.html
[05:13] <sdlnxgk> don't know what freenx is
[05:16] <bradfed> it's a much better version of a technology like vnc or rdp or citrix
[05:17] <bradfed> sdl: check out that last link for all the info you need to get your home computer desktop
[05:17] <sdlnxgk> bradfed doing that now thanks ;)
[05:18] <bradfed> Does any know a channel on this ubuntu's irc server where i might find a really bad ass linux guy? or really good with ssh?
[05:18] <stdin> bradfed: you can always ask in ##linux
[05:18] <bradfed> why double pound?
[05:19] <stdin> not sure, but it is
[05:19] <bradfed> cool nick, stdin
[05:19] <stdin> thx :)
[05:19] <bradfed> stdin: did you see that ssh question I asked earlier?
[05:20] <stdin> only just get here, let me scroll back...
[05:21] <bradfed> Well, i will reinterate sp. I need to get into a network that doesn't have any port forwards, but i have physical access without any admin right whatsoever
[05:22] <stdin> and the ssh port is closed?
[05:23] <cosmo_>  I can't seem to get my 6600gt to show my second monitor, I have it working in ubuntu but can't seem to get it to work in kubuntu, anyone know how to fix it, I have already modified my xorg like the guides say to enable twinview I am running 2 CRT btw
[05:24] <bradfed> so I establish a tunnel with putty on one of windows boxes to my ssh server at home, and told it to make port 3390 port 3389 on the workstation i was connecting from. now i can access the putty workstation from my linux ssh server, but it wont work cus i dont know the password of the user i snuck on and ran putty from and any other user will kill that logon. so i need to find a way to esablish another ssh port forward without ending
[05:24] <bradfed> the current ssh session established with putty because they dont forward anything through their firewall
[05:25] <stdin> ahh
[05:26] <stdin> um, I can't say I've ever needed to do that before. So I can't think of a way
[05:26] <stdin> but i'm no ssh freak
[05:27] <stdin> so others may know
[05:27] <bradfed> it was cool way to beat their firewall, but now I want to forward dameware's default port with ssh, but cannot quit the session to do it and wondered if their was a way to do it from within the session. I notice putty allows to make changed to the tunneling option while connected, so i figure the protocol supports it
[05:27] <stdin> it should
[05:28] <stdin> someone in either ##linux or #ubuntu may know, I have no clue :P
[05:28] <bradfed> with ssh feature, I have beat some of the best firewalls out there. By making sshd listen on port 443, nice firewalls like cisco's ase just think it's encrypted ssl
[05:28] <bradfed> and most all firewalls let users goto ssl websites.
[05:28] <intelikey> back
[05:29] <intelikey> well one fellow has been trying to help me install grub,  to no avail...    i really don't think it's possable...
[05:32] <`Z`> yop
[05:36] <Skuller> um sorry about that...was just testing
[05:36] <sdlnxgk> !sources.list
[05:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:37] <user___> Hello
[05:38] <beanland> How's it goin',everyone?
[05:39] <_spaz> boring here
[05:39] <beanland> :'(
[05:39] <_spaz> had to reinstall kubuntu for the 4th time in 24 hours
[05:39] <beanland> Wow...  What went wrong?
[05:39] <intelikey> well i almost got grub to install....  Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[05:39] <_spaz> trying to upgrade to feisty, but something keeps borking
[05:39] <_spaz> >_>
[05:39] <beanland> Don't get too technical--I'm a noob.
[05:40] <beanland> Hm.
[05:40] <_spaz> methinks i've solved the problem though
[05:40] <stdin> well, feisty isn't stable
[05:40] <_spaz> hehe
[05:40] <_spaz> i know
[05:40] <beanland> *claps*
[05:40] <_spaz> i forgot to apt-get an important package, that's the problem
[05:40] <_spaz> kubuntu-desktop
[05:40] <_spaz> xD
[05:40] <stdin> heh
[05:40] <beanland> lol
[05:40] <stdin> yeah, you *need* that
[05:41] <_spaz> i just figured that out >_>
[05:41] <_spaz> so another few hours of apt-getting, etc.
[05:41] <_spaz> wheeee!!!
[05:42] <intelikey> i upgraded from hoary to dapper  and found that it's best to uninstall all that can be uninstalled without "Yes, i know this is a bad idea, now do as i say"   :)
[05:42] <beanland> I've been having problems (something I'm sure you guys love to hear in this chatroom) with installing...firefox.
[05:42] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:43] <stdin> intelikey: that's the old package name
[05:43] <beanland> I typed that in, but I get something that says this:  "
[05:43] <beanland> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:43] <beanland> is only available from another source
[05:43] <beanland> "
[05:43] <intelikey> i'm on an old system
[05:43] <beanland> I'm on 6.06
[05:43] <stdin> sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:44] <intelikey> stdin 6.6
[05:44] <_spaz> hmm...
[05:44] <stdin> yeah, that what it's called on 6.06
[05:44] <beanland> "Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[05:44] <_spaz> try going to add/remove programs
[05:44] <_spaz> then search for firefox
[05:44] <stdin> make sure your sources are right
[05:44] <_spaz> :)
[05:44] <beanland> K, hold on.
[05:45] <intelikey> stdin the moz-ff package in 6.6 depends on all that ff needs
[05:45] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, it's a "transitional" package
[05:45] <intelikey> mozilla-firefox - Transition package for firefox rename
[05:45] <stdin> just like I said :)
[05:46] <beanland> I've found Firefox in the Add/Remove programs, but it's grayed out so I can't select it.
[05:46] <stdin> check your sources.list
[05:46] <beanland> k
[05:46] <_spaz> click the two boxes in the right hand corner
[05:46] <beanland> Done.
[05:47] <_spaz> the ones that say 'proprietary' and unsupported
[05:47] <beanland> k
[05:47] <beanland> I still can't choose it.
[05:47] <_spaz> still grayed out?
[05:47] <_spaz> oh
[05:47] <_spaz> h/o
[05:47] <beanland> :(
[05:47] <NightBird> not like I ever try to do file sharing in here...
[05:47] <_spaz> the drop down box
[05:47] <stdin> FF isn't proprietary or unsupported
[05:47] <_spaz> click it...
[05:47] <_spaz> :p
[05:47] <_spaz> lol
[05:48] <_spaz> >_>
[05:48] <_spaz> well then
[05:48] <stdin> there is a good sources.list in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list if yours is messed up
[05:48] <_spaz> click the dropdown box, and click the 3rd option (netither gnome or kde)
[05:48] <beanland> I haven't done anything to my sources.list
[05:48] <_spaz> should work :)
[05:48] <beanland> I've already done that, but it's still grayed out.
[05:48] <_spaz> hmm
[05:48] <_spaz> yeah
[05:48] <_spaz> methinks sources list too
[05:49] <_spaz> :/
[05:49] <beanland> Do I need to add something to it?
[05:49] <stdin> post it to pastebin
[05:49] <stdin> !pastebin
[05:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:49] <beanland> Will do!
[05:50] <beanland> Pastebin'd.
[05:50] <beanland> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10723/
[05:50] <soulrider> hi
[05:50] <beanland> I guess that Automatix thing isn't original, but the rest is, I think.
[05:51] <stdin> yep, automatix strikes again
[05:51] <_spaz> O_o
[05:51] <stdin> !automatix
[05:51] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:52] <sarah> I'm having trouble getting eth0 to be recognised on my server. when I do ifconfig, I get lo info, but nothing else. I've made sure that the eth0 is enabled in my bios, but I don't know what to do now
[05:52] <nonuda_> stdin, finally i succed installing nvidia driver and i can see direct rendering=yes, it took me days !!!
[05:52] <beanland> Hahaha
[05:52] <sarah> !envy | nonuda_
[05:52] <ubotu> nonuda_: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[05:52] <_spaz> lol
[05:52] <beanland> So should I remove the last couple of lines?
[05:52] <nonuda_> have tried envy
[05:52] <_spaz> methinks you should just replace the whole file
[05:52] <nonuda_> but not succed
[05:53] <beanland> Okay.
[05:53] <_spaz> if that fails, you might have to reinstall
[05:53] <_spaz> :/
[05:53] <stdin> beanland: replace yours with this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10724/
[05:53] <sarah> so, anyone know what command to run to detect my eth0?
[05:53] <nonuda_> now its time for beryl
[05:53] <stdin> nonuda_: woo, about time :P
[05:53] <beanland> Thanks.  Will do.
[05:53] <nonuda_> yup
[05:54] <stdin> sarah: it should already be detected (if it's a wired interface)
[05:54] <intelikey> to detect it ?
[05:54] <sarah> I'm underdog5004, btw...gotta use my gf's lappy
[05:54] <sarah> yeah, the damn thing won't detect...
[05:54] <stdin> hehe
[05:54] <intelikey> !wifi
[05:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:55] <sarah> I just swapped the drives out of a nearly identical 733Mhz box into a 933Mhz box
[05:55] <sarah> same everything
[05:55] <intelikey> and i thought i was actually going to get grub installed this time.... heh
[05:55] <sarah> am I looking at a reinstall, stdin or intelikey ?
[05:56] <intelikey> no shouldn't      just a reconfig     if you know the package    sudo dpkg-reconfigure package
[05:56] <sarah> intelikey, uh...it's for my ethernet port...eth0
[05:56] <stdin> shouldn't the kernel detect it?
[05:57] <intelikey> dhcp  maybe  but i'm not sure
[05:57] <stdin> look in kern.log or syslog
[05:57] <sarah> stdin, it did on the other one...I tried running udev, but it didn't work
[05:57] <stdin> grep for eth0
[05:58] <intelikey> stdin yes    dmesg | grep eth     should
[05:58] <intelikey> but i was thinking the interface not the actual hardware.
[05:59] <beanland> Ugh...  Even with updating my sources.list, I still can't install firefox.
[05:59] <stdin> beanland: did you run "sudo apt-get update" first ?
[05:59] <soulrider> !nvidia
[05:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:59] <beanland> Nope!
[05:59] <beanland> Will do that now.
[05:59] <stdin> beanland: you should be able to install it after you do that
[05:59] <sarah> ok, since I can't pastebin it, here we go...             mar 17  04:03:38 home kernel: [42949397.410000]  e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xff8ff000, irg 7, MAC addr 00:03:47:xx:xx:xx
[06:00] <sarah> then I get a second one, dated about half an hour later, same thing, but irg 11
[06:00] <sarah> irq 11
[06:01] <stdin> looks similar to mine: [   29.805955]  eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xf888a000, 00:11:09:xx:xx:xx, IRQ 11
[06:01] <sarah> it's an onboard one, btw
[06:01] <stdin> sarah: then I have: [   29.805957]  eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'
[06:01] <sarah> yeah...not me
[06:01] <sarah> udev doesn't work...it's not installed(?)
[06:02] <nonuda_> stdin, btw why is system setting | monitor & display, the hardware for graphics card is not nvidia? it is ati, (first it was nv but i changed to ati coz i want X not to start in order to install nvidia driver)
[06:02] <intelikey> there is the cause i'd think.    modprobe the driver
[06:02] <sarah> how?
[06:02] <intelikey> modprobe <modulename>
[06:03] <stdin> probably: sudo modprobe e100
[06:03] <sarah> modprobe eth0  ? or modprobe maker_of_port
[06:03] <sarah> oh, ok
[06:03] <intelikey> errr sudo modprobe rt8190     for example
[06:03] <beanland> Holy cow!  You guys are awesome!
[06:03] <beanland> Thank you so much!  :D
[06:03] <stdin> nonuda_: because you changed the driver
[06:03] <stdin> beanland: you're welcome :)
[06:03] <sarah> nope, ifconfig is still only showing lo
[06:03] <compilerwriter> Has anyone else had strange things occur with the mounting and unmounting of floppy drives?  If so, did you get the thing solved?  How did you solve it.
[06:04] <MikeC2> Heya, how can I turn off CPU scaling in kubuntu?
[06:04] <stdin> sarah: you have to bring the interface up too
[06:04] <sarah> ifup?
[06:04] <intelikey> that wont change utomatically.  sudo ifup eth0
[06:04] <stdin> sarah: if there is a description in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:04] <sarah> hmmmm, eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[06:04] <intelikey> MikeC2 kernel configs....    ?
[06:05] <MikeC2> frequency scaling
[06:05] <intelikey> yes that's kernel side.  might require a recompile.  i'm not sure.
[06:05] <sarah> oh, gotta edit interfaces...
[06:05] <stdin> sarah: try adding to /etc/network/interfaces "iface eth0 inet dhcp" (new line) "auto eth0"
[06:06] <intelikey> MikeC2 maybe module
[06:06] <stdin> (if dhcp)
[06:06] <cosmo_> whgen I go into system settings> monitor & display and switch to administrator mode I can adjust properties for my second monitor but the apply button is greyed out so it does not save my settings, how do I fix this?
[06:09] <sarah> stdin, same error
[06:09] <sarah> when I try ifup, no such device, ifconfig only shows lo
[06:10] <stdin> sarah: what about "sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[06:11] <sarah> same error, no such device
[06:11] <stdin> hmm
[06:11] <sarah> exactly
[06:14] <Naomarik> sarah what happens when you type sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[06:15] <sarah> Naomarik, eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[06:16] <nonuda_> i have add this to repos deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main, and get update but why i can't see beryl
[06:16] <beanland> Well, I'm off to bed.  Thanks again, everyone!
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nonuda_: ask in #beryl
[06:17] <stdin> nonuda_: maybe a dumb question: done apt-get update?
[06:18] <nonuda_> yes
[06:18] <sarah> lspci | grep ethernet gives me this: 01:08.0 ethernet controller: intel corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 01)
[06:20] <sarah> dmesg | grep eth shos that it's being detected, irq 11, using e100...
[06:20] <sarah> how can I reload a module?
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> anyone know were the ffmpeg dev libs are ie what repo
[06:21] <nonuda_> stdin, in apt-get update i didn't see any http links of beryl
[06:21] <stdin> nonuda_: any errrors?
[06:23] <Alonea> ok, after installing the binary drivers for my video card my computer will no longer restart or shutdown. It starts to, but just sticks at a black screen.
[06:23] <nonuda_> first i got error, like corrupt file, but then i run apt-get update again, wait i paste the print out in pastebin
[06:24] <nonuda_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10725/
[06:25] <stdin> nonuda_: post your sources.list
[06:25] <nonuda_> ok
[06:26] <nonuda_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10726/
[06:26] <stdin> sarah: you can try "sudo modprobe -r e100" then "sudo modprobe e100" to remove it, then reinsert it, but you'll probably get a "module in use" error
[06:27] <stdin> nonuda_: you have it commented out
[06:27] <nonuda_> hmm..how do i fix it?
[06:27] <stdin> nonuda_: line 37: "# deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main"
[06:27] <stdin> nonuda_: remove the "# "
[06:27] <stdin> or enable it in adept
[06:27] <nonuda_> i was tried to remove it but i can' save the file
[06:27] <nonuda_> can't
[06:28] <stdin> nonuda_: you can do it in adept, or Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:29] <sarah> stdin, I was able to do both commands, no problem, but I still get the same old "no such device" error...
[06:29] <nonuda_> done
[06:30] <stdin> sarah: you could try adding "e100" to /etc/modules and restart, that will make sure the module is loaded on boot
[06:30] <nonuda_> now i can see it connecting to beryl, thanks
[06:30] <cosmo_> whgen I go into system settings> monitor & display and switch to administrator mode I can adjust properties for my second monitor but the apply button is greyed out so it does not save my settings, how do I fix this?
[06:30] <stdin> nonuda_: no problem :)
[06:31] <sarah> stdin, ok, rebooting now...hope this works...
[06:32] <sarah> nope, didn't work...
[06:33] <nonuda_> well now i'm waiting the dl of beryl, ETA 25 minutes..hmm long enough
[06:34] <stdin> sarah: not sure then, that device is supposed to be fully supported by the kernel
[06:35] <sarah> yeah...there're a bunch of bug reports online...but most are for way older versions of ubuntu or linuces in general
[06:36] <nonuda_> stdin, did u remember i was once installed kubuntu in laptop? i still can't make 2 of my pcmcia card work, modem and network card
[06:36] <stdin> nonuda_: I remember, but I have no experience with pcmcia
[06:38] <nonuda_> ahh..ok, scanModem cant detect it, i think i will must do a lot of google stuff..
[06:38] <stdin> looked at the help page for modems nonuda_ ?
[06:41] <nonuda_> i already look at it..but not enough helping, i read that i should use scanModem
[06:42] <nonuda_> i must know the what the chip use for my modem, and i dunno know what it is
[06:43] <stdin> nonuda_: doesn't lspcmcia show it?
[06:43] <nonuda_> lspcmcia?
[06:44] <_spaz> *sigh*
[06:46] <stdin> nonuda_: it's a command that list all the pcmcia devices you have, try it in konsole
[06:48] <nonuda_> ah ok..but can't try it now, coz i don't bring my laptop, i left it home..but soon i'll try it, thanks
[06:49] <nonuda_> stdin, btw how long do u use linux? it seems that u r very good with it
[06:49] <stdin> nonuda_: about 11 years now, since I was 10 :)
[06:51] <nonuda_> shi*t it was very long!.. for me, i'm almost desperate trying to understand it..hmm but now i almost can control it hehehe...
[06:52] <_spaz> :O
[06:52] <stdin> I learnt by doing (and fscking up) :P
[06:52] <nonuda_> yeah
[06:53] <nonuda_> finally the beryl dl is finish
[06:53] <nonuda_> thanks god, i got no error..
[06:54] <stdin> beryl is quite easy to instll
[06:54] <stdin> slightly less easy to get working tho
[06:54] <stdin> just hope you're lucky
[06:55] <sarah> hope you don't get the white screen of death...there's an easy fix for that, though
[06:57] <nonuda_> it seem works, but can u take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10731/
[06:57] <nonuda_> line 2
[06:58] <stdin> !baddevice
[06:58] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:58] <sarah> I think that's just the system looking for a wacom tablet...you can edit out references to wacom tablets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:58] <stdin> nonuda_: ^
[06:58] <sarah> g'night
[06:58] <sarah> exit
[06:59] <nonuda_> ok
[07:00] <stdin> you don't need to worry about it, or do anything about it if you don't want to
[07:02] <nonuda_> yup..but it quiet bug me..hehehe
[07:06] <nonuda_> btw how do i make the backup file back if something error, i have backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf into /etc/X11/xorg.conf-old
[07:06] <MikeC2> whats a good archive manager that intigrates well with kubuntu?
[07:08] <stdin> nonuda_: if use use kate, it will normall make a backup for you, with a ~ at the end (so /etc/X11/corg.conf~) or you can use copy the file, or save it as another file name before you change it
[07:08] <stdin> MikeC2: ark
[07:09] <nonuda_> ok..
[07:10] <nonuda_> ok..i'm out now..thanks
[07:14] <djdarkman> hy ,I would need to put a partition into the menu.lst for grub but I can`t seem to find it`s partition name`s grub equivalant ,can someone suggest something on this?
[07:15] <stdin> djdarkman: look in /boot/grub/device.map for the 1st part of it, and just take 1 off the partition number, that is, grub counts partitions from 0
[07:15] <djdarkman> stdin: I tried it with this logic but somehow it didn`t work
[07:16] <stdin> djdarkman: so if /boot/grub/device.map said: "(hd0)   /dev/sda" and I wanted to but in /dev/sda4, I'd use (hd0,3)
[07:16] <djdarkman> I have a windows partition at hda5 that would be (hd0,4) but didn`t worlk
[07:17] <stdin> do you get any errors?
[07:17] <djdarkman> yes ,something like invalid device or simmilar
[07:18] <djdarkman> like I was enterring it wrong
[07:19] <stdin> djdarkman: open a grub shell (open Konsole, and type "sudo grub"), then type: root (hd0,<tab> (where <tab> is the tab key)
[07:19] <djdarkman> I would need to access a windows badly ,because of a feisty bug my fat32 filesystem god corrupted a bit and I would need scandisk to fix that
[07:19] <djdarkman> ok I`ll try
[07:19] <stdin> djdarkman: fsck won't work on it?
[07:20] <djdarkman> fsck doesn`t detect the error
[07:20] <stdin> hmm
[07:20] <djdarkman> I think maybe scandisk can fix it
[07:20] <Skuller> so you think scan disk will?
[07:20] <Skuller> ok
[07:20] <stdin> have you reported the bug?
[07:20] <djdarkman> well it was designed by microsoft ,so I think it must
[07:21] <stdin> fat wasn't designed by MS, afaik
[07:21] <djdarkman> sure I did https://launchpad.net/bugs/92728
[07:21] <djdarkman> then who designed fat32?
[07:22] <stdin> heh, it was actually :P
[07:22] <stdin> just looked
[07:23] <djdarkman> not that I would be suprised if it wasn`t designed by them....
[07:23] <akrus> hello everyone
[07:24] <akrus> my friend is experiencing a problem
[07:24] <djdarkman> are there other fat32 repair utilities?
[07:24] <akrus> right after logging in to kdm X-server hangs and restarts
[07:24] <djdarkman> akrus: can you open up a console?
[07:25] <akrus> yes
[07:25] <akrus> which one is CTRL+ALT+F1
[07:25] <akrus> but both KDE & Failsafe fail to load
[07:25] <alakhia> can someone help me with a problem with wireless assistant please?
[07:25] <djdarkman> akrus:  type df -h
[07:25] <djdarkman> and see if he has enough free space in the root ("/") partition
[07:26] <akrus> ok :)
[07:26] <Skuller> is GAIM the default appz for IM in ubuntu?...and does it come with a base install?
[07:26] <Jucato> Skuller: yes. in Ubuntu
[07:27] <Jucato> Kopete in Kubuntu
[07:27] <Skuller> oh...cool...
[07:27] <Skuller> i just missed a cool feature from GAIM
[07:27] <djdarkman> Skuller: did you install kubuntu and miss Gaim?
[07:27] <miltos> goodmorning ppl-:] 
[07:28] <Skuller> djdarkman: i tried ubuntu b4 switching for kubuntu for a whole weekend....GAIM allowed me to know who has started a chat with me before they even sent me the finished message...kopete doesnt
[07:29] <djdarkman> don`t know about that feature Skuller ,didn`t use gaim much ,but Skuller why not install gaim on kubuntu?
[07:30] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get install  libavformat-dev   = ffmpeg headers
[07:30] <Linux_Galore> for those trying to compile k3b 1.0
[07:31] <alakhia_> can anyone help me? Whenever I reboot, I don't have networking. And then I have manually configure using wireless assistant everytime. This is getting to be very annoying!
[07:31] <Skuller> djdarkman: actually i was dumb enough not to realise that it was GAIM that i used in ubuntu and not kopete..so all this while in kubuntu i have bin trying to figure out why kopete doesnt notify me of the 'chat starts' "like before"...now i am too used to kopete
[07:33] <djdarkman> Skuller: try Kopete window -> Settings -> Configure Notifications ,maybe you`ll find there what you want
[07:33] <akrus> oh by the way
[07:33] <akrus> have someone tried compiling kopete from trunk?
[07:34] <djdarkman> akrus: CVS?
[07:34] <akrus> svn o_O
[07:34] <enotee> just got a JVC DV when i hook it nothing what do i need to do
[07:34] <akrus> CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly. Missing variable is: CMAKE_SIZEOF_VOID_P
[07:34] <akrus> this error :(
[07:35] <akrus> many times~
[07:35] <aaron_> so, anybody know how to run the install cd's scripts from inside a running kubuntu to setup things.. like networking and fstab?
[07:35] <djdarkman> akrus: can`t help you there ,I`m used to automake ,why not ask at #kopete or #kde
[07:35] <akrus> hm, ok :)
[07:36] <djdarkman> aaron_: I don`t recomend scripts
[07:36] <aaron_> enotee: you can do lsusb to see if it shows up?
[07:36] <djdarkman> aaron_: why not set these things up from the System settings?
[07:37] <aaron_> djdarkman: the the system settings don't work :(
[07:37] <djdarkman> aaron_: do you have more network cars?
[07:37] <alakhia_> why is it that my questions here just fall off the way side and no one bothers to answer?
[07:37] <djdarkman> (than one)
[07:37] <aaron_> djdarkman: ... Howabout I kick myself or remove foot from mount... Thats a good tip thanks!
[07:37] <alakhia_> is this the wrong place to ask?
[07:38] <Contrast> alakhia, you might try making the changes as root.
[07:38] <aaron_> alakhia_: I probably don't know the answer...
[07:38] <Contrast> No promises though. Sorry. :-\
[07:38] <alakhia_> Contrast: Thanks ... well, sudo asked for my password.
[07:39] <Contrast> That's normal. Go ahead and put it in.
[07:39] <aaron_> djdarkman: I thought the knetworkmanager would get me to the system settings
[07:39] <alakhia_> Contrast: So, I'm assuming that I setup the network as root
[07:39] <alakhia_> Contrast: but when I reboot, I have to do this all over again
[07:39] <djdarkman> aaron_: no ,go to system settings and do thing there
[07:39] <aaron_> djdarkman: The start-> system settings got me to a bunch better setup (I installed kubuntu from a chroot.. so lots of packages are missing)
[07:39] <aaron_> djdarkman: thanks!
[07:39] <alakhia_> Contrast: my prefs are not persistent
[07:39] <enotee> nope doesn't show
[07:40] <alakhia_> Contrast: It is just plain irritating. Sigh.
[07:40] <djdarkman> aaron_: np
[07:41] <Contrast> alakhia_: Try changing the prefs as root, then rebooting. That's all I can think of, given I know pretty much nothing about wifi.
[07:41] <Contrast> alakhia_: Have you searched the forums?
[07:41] <alakhia_> Contrast: can try that. No, haven't. Ubuntu's?
[07:41] <Contrast> Right.
[07:42] <MikeC2> Hey, I keep getting a 'could not change permissions for ...' my smb share that is mounted with cifs / file when moving things to it
[07:42] <Contrast> MikeC2, sudo chmod a+rw foldername
[07:43] <Contrast> And sudo chown username:groupname foldername
[07:43] <MikeC2> I dont know my group name?
[07:43] <MikeC2> users?
[07:44] <Contrast> It'd be the same as your username if you haven't set it to something else.
[07:44] <djdarkman> MikeC2: chek a file that you own
[07:44] <alakhia_> Ok, I su'd to root. But now wlassitant won't open. Says it cannot connect to X.
[07:45] <djdarkman> alakhia_: kdesu
[07:45] <MikeC2> yea its mikec:mikec
[07:45] <mikefoo> ok so I just installed lm_sensors, ran sensors, and it says "no sensors found" this happens on two different servers. Anyone have an idea if I am missing something?
[07:45] <aaron__> djdarkman: yeah, thank you..... My network is now managed by a script instead of my bumbling commandline skils
[07:45] <MikeC2> still is doing 'Could not change permissions for...'
[07:46] <djdarkman> MikeC2: do it as root
[07:47] <MikeC2> I set them with sudo
[07:47] <MikeC2> this is my fstab entry : //192.168.1.3/htpc /media/htpc cifs iocharset=utf8,gid=users,guest,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0
[07:47] <djdarkman> MikeC2: try setting it in fstab then ,that`s all I can think of
[07:48] <MikeC2> for the point I'm trying to write to
[07:48] <MikeC2> what do I edit in that entry to set them all to my ownership?
[07:48] <Contrast> MikeC2: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22could+not+change+permissions+for%22+ubuntu+samba&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[07:49] <Contrast> MikeC2: Not trying to be rude. A couple of those look like promising results.
[07:49] <MikeC2> indeed they are, rare to see such a narrow result list xD
[07:49] <aaron__> djdarkman: now.. this is a wierd bug.. my / doesn't show up in the fstab or the system settings-->advanced -->disk   and it doesn't show up with the df command.. it does however show up with the df / command
[07:50] <nonuda_> i need beryl start automatically, how to add it at startup?
[07:51] <aaron__> also, when I tried to add / to my fstab, my computer wouldn't boot... it said it was already mounted... This is reiserfs
[07:51] <nonuda_> !startup
[07:51] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[07:51] <Contrast> nonuda_: The script found here: http://www.suseforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t26192.html worked for me for a while. It's giving me problems on the latest SVN update though.
[07:52] <nonuda_> ok..thanks
[07:54] <MikeC2> the option is noperm is the one that fixes it, just sharing the answer :D
[07:54] <Contrast> nonuda_: If that doesn't work for you, you can try pasting the text found here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10733/ into a script and putting it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:55] <Contrast> nonuda_: Just don't forget to make it executable (Properties -> Permissions).
[07:56] <Contrast> nonuda_:, Whoops. Forgot to put this line at the top: #!/bin/sh
[07:56] <_spaz> night
[07:57] <nonuda_> i still read it, /bin/sh without #! right?
[07:57] <Contrast> nope, with #!
[07:57] <Contrast> One sec...
[07:58] <nonuda_> ok
[07:58] <Contrast> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10734/
[07:58] <Contrast> There. :)
[07:59] <Contrast> Do you use the Wallpaper Manager plugin?
[07:59] <Contrast> Shit. Sorry, last one, really: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10735/
[08:00] <nonuda_> ok..can i paste it into kate? nope
[08:00] <Contrast> It's late. :-\
[08:00] <Contrast> Yep.
[08:00] <Contrast> Save it as something like beryl_start.sh into ~/.kde/Autostart and you should be good to go.
[08:01] <nonuda_> ahh..ok
[08:01] <Contrast> Oh, and make it executable.
[08:01] <nonuda_> ok
[08:02] <Skuller> djdarkman_: : been there done that(the notification thingy of kopete)...hehe...sorry i cudnt reply earlier....thnx fer ur help
[08:02] <Contrast> I would try the method in that first link I gave you first though. It's a lot cleaner.
[08:02] <djdarkman_> Skuller: np
[08:03] <miltos> how do i change the boot order my audio devices are loaded on my kubuntu?
[08:04] <Skuller> yay..lol...it says "The topic was set by Skuller....."....when entering the channel
[08:04] <nonuda_> done, restart the pc now
[08:05] <Contrast> nonuda_:, which method did you use?
[08:05] <Contrast> My script, or the one on the message board?
[08:06] <Contrast> Because you really should try the first one I gave you first. The script in the pastebin is just a workaround for when that method doesn't work, and it's an ugly one at that.
[08:08] <intelikey> i wish i could install grub  :/
[08:09] <Contrast> Well, I'm out. Good night and good luck, everyone.
[08:09] <dystopianray> intelikey: why can't you?
[08:10] <sun_> what?
[08:11] <intelikey> dystopianray idk.
[08:12] <intelikey> no partitions i guess.
[08:12] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: its bedtime. GO!
[08:12] <Skuller> What do you do when a blonde throws a grenade at you? Ans. Remove the pin and throw it back.
[08:12] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd heh
[08:12] <Skuller> just a bit of humour in between...hope no one minds
[08:13] <intelikey> T3hWiz0rd are you over 60 yet ?
[08:13] <T3hWiz0rd> god no.
[08:14] <intelikey> then don't try to order me around.
[08:14] <intelikey> :)
[08:14] <T3hWiz0rd> intelikey: shht
[08:14] <T3hWiz0rd> or i'll deliver a nun to your door and she'll show you a thing or two.
[08:14] <aaron__> what' s the program that watches hardware changes?  I have hal and dbus installed.. but my pcmcia network card isn't showing up in the managers... I can modprobe acx but the firmware isn't there
[08:15] <dystopianray> aaron__: udev?
[08:15] <Skuller> yea and if that doesnt work then i am sending the ultimate weapon of destruction (my sis)
[08:15] <miltos> how do i change the default media player in kubuntu?
[08:15] <dystopianray> aaron__: if there is no firmware, you'll need to get some
[08:15] <intelikey> aaron__ psmcia has it's on cs app
[08:16] <dsmith> is it normal for flash to lag?
[08:16] <Skuller> umm i dont think so
[08:16] <T3hWiz0rd> dsmith: only on older versions
[08:16] <dystopianray> dsmith: what flash plugin are you using?
[08:16] <dsmith> 9
[08:17] <T3hWiz0rd> and the linux version of flash was known to do it
[08:17] <intelikey> pcmcia-cs - PCMCIA Card Services for Linux
[08:17] <dsmith> one sec
[08:17] <aaron__> dystopianray: the firmware was there in dapper..
[08:17] <dettoaltrimenti> in konquorer, how can I make viewing images view the size of the screen, not their actual size
[08:17] <dsmith> whats the mozilla url comd?
[08:17] <aaron__> intelikey: I looked for something that would be appropriate for edgy... apt-cache search gave me mostly depreciated ones.. I'll take a look at that one..
[08:17] <Skuller> konqi fans gather...:D
[08:17] <dsmith> about:plugins?
[08:18] <dystopianray> aaron__: your card might need a different firmware than what is the default in edgy
[08:18] <dsmith> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31
[08:18] <dystopianray> aaron__: look at /lib/firmware/*/acx/readme.txt
[08:18] <dsmith> is there an update?
[08:18] <intelikey> aaron__ it may be "un-apreciated" now days... i'm old sckool
[08:19] <aaron__> intelikey: ah.. it did tell me about pcmciautils though ;) so it was  a good lead
[08:19] <bartist> hi!
[08:19] <bartist> i can not log in!
[08:19] <intelikey> aaron__ looks like linux-restricted-modules-* my replace it   idk.
[08:19] <bartist> i can log through konsole
[08:19] <intelikey> aaron__ k
[08:19] <wisut> hi
[08:19] <bartist> but i can not log in by the regular way
[08:19] <iamsam9895> Will somebody please help me install wine?
[08:19] <dsmith> now thats strange when I come out of beryl into kwin, i get 16 desktops
[08:20] <aaron__> dystopianray: I had to move the firmware arround in dapper to get it to work ;)
[08:20] <dsmith> normally I have four
[08:20] <dsmith> lol
[08:20] <intelikey> iamsam9895 sudo apt-get install wine
[08:20] <iamsam9895> !wine | iamsam9895
[08:20] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: sudo apt-get install wine
[08:20] <T3hWiz0rd> removing nvidia drivers on kubuntu scares me
[08:20] <T3hWiz0rd> i've had this turn very messy before.
[08:20] <dystopianray> aaron__: so you'll likely have to do the same for edgy
[08:20] <iamsam9895> dystopianray, I thought about that, but my friend said it fails.
[08:20] <iamsam9895> I'll give it a go.
[08:20] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: get an error message
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Ah
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Working
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Thanks.
[08:21] <enotee> how do i get drivers for a  compaq firewire cardbus
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Now how do I run it?
[08:21] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: $ wine
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Once it's installed, of course.
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Thanks again.
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Does it just give me a windows desktop?
[08:21] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: no
[08:21] <iamsam9895> Aww, I'll find out.
[08:22] <aaron__> dystopianray: bah.. I submitted bug reports, others had the same problem I had too.. acx111 needed 1.x firmware instead of 2.x firmware
[08:22] <dystopianray> aaron__: so you'll need to change the firmware symlink in /lib/firmware/*/acx/default/
[08:22] <iamsam9895> is there a wine gui?
[08:22] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: don't think so
[08:23] <intelikey> methinks not
[08:23] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: you can associate .exe files with wine in kde
[08:23] <bartist> i can log in with konsole, but i cant log in in kde
[08:23] <aaron__> dystopianray: yup :(
[08:23] <dystopianray> aaron__: nothing to frown about, it's a 2 second job
[08:24] <intelikey> bartist so in the "konsole" type kicker
[08:24] <kouran> hey. im trying to put kubuntu on an old pc, bt the cd doesnt boot. it searches the cd but just boots into my old suse installation
[08:24] <dystopianray> kouran: do other cds boot?
[08:24] <bartist> intelikey: just kicker?
[08:24] <aaron__> dystopianray: the first time took me an hour, second time I forgot which version it shoudl be so 1/2 hour.. now it's about 2 minutes..
[08:24] <intelikey> yes
[08:24] <kouran> i havent tried..
[08:25] <dystopianray> aaron__: an hour to change a symlink?
[08:25] <kouran> you mean like other linux distros?
[08:25] <bartist> konsole, terminal ...
[08:25] <bartist> sudo kicker?
[08:25] <intelikey> no
[08:25] <bartist> alright
[08:25] <intelikey> just kicker
[08:25] <aaron__> dystopianray: to figure out which one to change
[08:25] <dystopianray> kouran: like any other bootable cd
[08:25] <bartist> will reboot to linux and try
[08:25] <bartist> brb
[08:25] <intelikey> bartist
[08:25] <bartist> thanx
[08:25] <bartist> ?
[08:25] <iamsam9895> How do I install windows programs with wine?
[08:26] <Linux_Galore> k3b 1.0 is very bright,  has to compile dvd-rw-tools though because the default version of growfs on edgy is a bit old - > http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/tools/?M=D
[08:26] <iamsam9895> Like, what if the program I'm running requires install?
[08:26] <Linux_Galore> had*
[08:26] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: $ wine /path/to/program.exe
[08:26] <kouran> let me try, one sec
[08:26] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: $ wine /path/to/setup.exe
[08:26] <iamsam9895> ok
[08:26] <iamsam9895> Thanks so much.
[08:26] <intelikey> bartist you do know that  console = vertual terminal   like old ms-dos    konsole = terminal emulator  (runs in the gui)  ?
[08:26] <Linux_Galore> sorry growisofs
[08:26] <intelikey> oh well.
[08:27] <dsmith> ok it seems my flash lag was coming from the fact that I was using beryl...
[08:27] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: I don't know if it creates kmenu shortcuts in kubuntu, but if not the apps are installed to ~/.wine/drive_c/
[08:27] <dsmith> my latop video is only 64mb, perhaps that is not enough
[08:27] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: if your not running nvidia 6200 or better with 128mb of ram beryle will slow shit down
[08:27] <dsmith> ahhh ok...
[08:27] <dsmith> Thx, that explains it
[08:28] <iamsam9895> dystopianray, oh, thats cool.  My own virtual drive C
[08:28] <dsmith> I have the newest drivers on a GO fx5200
[08:28] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: fx5200 in reality is slower than a gf4 lol
[08:28] <dsmith> lol
[08:28] <miltos> my totem player can't play this file "mms://www.insomnia.gr/images/cebit2007/lg_prada_0001.wmv', any ideas how to fix it?
[08:28] <dsmith> hey I have what I have
[08:28] <dsmith> and it works for now
[08:28] <dsmith> :P
[08:29] <dystopianray> miltos: do you have the win32 codecs installed for wmv?
[08:29] <dsmith> just so I understand beryl's limits
[08:29] <dsmith> thx
[08:29] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: with the 5200 they added the the shading stuff but they forgot to add enough grunt to make it work so a gf4 with no shading support ends up being faster
[08:29] <dsmith> miltos: have you tried Kaffeine?
[08:29] <miltos> dystopianray, i believe yes...
[08:29] <kouran> yeah i can boot from another cd, dystopianray
[08:30] <dystopianray> kouran: are you sure the kubuntu cd is for the correct architecture?
[08:30] <miltos> dsmith, how do i try with Kaffeine, this is not my default player
[08:30] <kouran> yep, 386. its a p4 system
[08:30] <dystopianray> miltos: open kaffeine go to file->open url and paste the stream url
[08:30] <dsmith> apt-get install kaffeine
[08:30] <aaron__> so.. my / doesn't show up in my df and I have no idea what to do about it
[08:30] <dsmith> unless its not there already
[08:30] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: usually with a 5200 card I swap to the legacy drivers package but if you want beryl you cant do that you have to use the latest drivers
[08:30] <miltos> dystopianray,ok
[08:31] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: why use the legacy drivers?
[08:31] <dsmith> Linux_Galore: Yep
[08:31] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: lagacy drivers in the 5200 give you faster fps in games
[08:31] <Linux_Galore> with the*
[08:31] <dsmith> I dont play games in linux, I tried it once but have issues with alsa
[08:31] <kouran> dystopianray, i copied the files off a dvd (that i used for this system), to burn to a cd because the one i want to use doesnt have a dvd, could that be a problem? im positive i got all the files though
[08:32] <dsmith> it was a trade off for me..
[08:32] <kouran> the cd actually boots on this computer....
[08:32] <dystopianray> kouran: err possibly, there is more to a bootable dvd than just the files on it
[08:32] <crazyrobot> my alt+F1-F6 shell is only half a screen, can anybody tell me how to fix this?
[08:32] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: is this a laptop ?
[08:32] <iamsam9895> dystopianray: How do I set it to use more ram?
[08:32] <dsmith> Linux_galore: yes, HP ZD7000
[08:32] <dsmith> 2GB ram
[08:32] <dsmith> 7200rpm HD
[08:32] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: it's a registry key somewhere, google for it
[08:32] <iamsam9895> Thanks
[08:33] <miltos> dystopianray, "mms plug in absent"...this is the message i've got
[08:33] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: video ram you mean?
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: intel audio chipset ?
[08:33] <iamsam9895> Uhh.
[08:33] <iamsam9895> It just says 64 megs ram
[08:33] <iamsam9895> I have a video card for that
[08:33] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: where?
[08:33] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: I dont know which one I have
[08:33] <iamsam9895> fixme:d3d:IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem (0x175c20) : stub, simulating 64MB for now, returning 64MB left
[08:33] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: ok, so yeah video ram
[08:34] <iamsam9895> Why doesn't it use my video card?
[08:34] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: I never bothered to investigate sound..
[08:34] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: it does...
[08:34] <aaron__> crazyrobot: what do you mean by 1/2?  like the shell isn't stretched to fill the screen?
[08:34] <iamsam9895> I have a 256 MB Radeon
[08:34] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: it's just assuming you have a 64MB card, so there is a registry key to increase that
[08:34] <iamsam9895> Ok
[08:34] <iamsam9895> I'm googling.
[08:34] <dystopianray> iamsam9895: or ask in #winehq
[08:35] <iamsam9895> Ah
[08:35] <iamsam9895> Thanks
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: type lspci -v|grep -iA 8 audio
[08:35] <crazyrobot> no it only shows up on half the screen so a full page of information prints the first part then the second part prints over the first part.
[08:35] <bartist> intelikey
[08:35] <bartist> i typed kicker in console
[08:35] <kouran> is there a way i can install kubuntu, say, in suse?
[08:35] <aaron__> miltos: so... you probably don't have win32codecs..  dpkg --get-selections | grep win32
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: tells you what your audio chipset is
[08:35] <bartist> and the response was "can't determine display"
[08:35] <aaron__> kouran: I just went through that
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: just cut and past it into a terminal
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: the command that is
[08:35] <dsmith> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:36] <aaron__> kouran: and I'm having one heck of a time...  do you have a clean partition for your ubuntu?
[08:36] <kouran> sorry i didnt read, let me scroll..
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: yep, intel same as me, yep it sux
[08:36] <dsmith> oh well
[08:36] <kouran> no.. i said i have a suse installation on there
[08:36] <dsmith> I am satisfied with what I have for now
[08:36] <dystopianray> intel audio is fine
[08:36] <dsmith> if I want games, I swap HP
[08:36] <bartist> intelikey: I typed kicker in console, and the response was "can't determine display" ..
[08:36] <dsmith> Harddrives
[08:36] <aaron__> kouran: you can do a chroot and debootstrap
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: get a pc card, creative sound blaster,  works great
[08:37] <kouran> what does that do?
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: and its 100% supported in Linux
[08:37] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: pc card for laptop?
[08:37] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: no it's not
[08:37] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: no EAX support for one
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: yes
[08:37] <bartist> intelikey: I typed kicker in console, and the response was "can't determine display" ..
[08:37] <aaron__> kouran: debootstrap extracts the basic files needed to install the rest of debian.. er ubuntu
[08:37] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: pcmcia?
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: go read the opencreative news update there is a new driver
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: yes
[08:38] <dsmith> hmmmmm
[08:38] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: oh they finally released a x-fi compatible driver?
[08:38] <kouran> so i just run that from konsole in suse...?
[08:38] <aaron__> kouran: you can mount your partition and run debootstrap on that.. yes... I found a wiki page when I searched for chroot
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: I got a beta copy because I in the industry not sure when the public release is due
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> Im*
[08:39] <kouran> ok
[08:39] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: when did you get the beta?
[08:39] <intelikey> console != konsole .... console = vertual terminal (like old ms-dos on steriods) .... konsole = terminal emulator (runs in the gui like "dos shell" in ms-windows, on steriods)   :)))
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: hmm must be 3 weeks now
[08:39] <kouran> ill boot the computer into suse and try it.
[08:39] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: so in acquiring this, would perhaps some games work?
[08:40] <kouran> what should i expect to see, or what should i do having done debootstrap?
[08:40] <aaron__> kouran: and ubuntu install...  it's a lot of steps.. and I had to manually set up my networking with route and ifconfig to get connected to download the rest of the stuff :(... I kinda recomend vmware if you just want to play
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: yes, sound would work allot better with games and with media
[08:40] <dsmith> hmmmmmmmmm
[08:40] <intelikey> bartist in the console  (where you were) type startx and see if it throws snow balls at you
[08:40] <aaron__> kouran: I'm running fiesty and edgy on another machine with vmware...
[08:40] <kouran> oh ok
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: intel sound chipsets are a does the job thing
[08:40] <kouran> ideally i need a physical install.
[08:41] <bartist> intelikey: will reboot and try
[08:41] <bartist> brb
[08:41] <Linux_Galore> dsmith: they suck if your into serious audio stuff
[08:41] <intelikey> bartist wait
[08:41] <bartist> ?
[08:41] <intelikey> bartist if it says x is already running.
[08:41] <aaron__> kouran: you might also be able to use .. gasp virtual PC.....  ok, well the chroot is a way then.. there is also the alternate install cd and you can just put it on a new partition
[08:41] <intelikey> type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ;startx
[08:41] <intelikey> bartist k ?
[08:42] <bartist> ok
[08:42] <dsmith> Linuux_Galore: where can I find the drivers?
[08:42] <aaron__> kouran: my / still doesn't show up when I run df!?!!!
[08:42] <bartist> brb
[08:43] <kouran> chroot debootstrap doesnt work. i dont know what you're leading me to do. i just need to get the kubuntu cd to boot, or be able to run the installer from suse. that is all
[08:44] <iamsam9895> Hmm, how can I force-quit a program?
[08:44] <kouran> kill (pid)
[08:44] <Skuller> Ramu        : hey.. I couldnt send a mail to Hell today... it says mail "demon" not
[08:44] <Skuller> running...
[08:44] <Skuller> Somu        : ur case is better.. for me, it says "ghost not reachable" and
[08:44] <Skuller> bounces back!
[08:44] <intelikey> iamsam9895 crtl+alt+esc
[08:44] <intelikey> and click on the offending window
[08:44] <iamsam9895> Ooh!
[08:44] <iamsam9895> That works wonderfully.
[08:44] <waylandbill> kouran: why not back up your data and use gparted or similar to reduce the suse partition size?
[08:45] <kouran> why do i need to do that?
[08:45] <iamsam9895> intelikey: That works so much better than windows, lol
[08:45] <intelikey> :)
[08:46] <waylandbill> kouran: you don't have to, but you said up a little bit that a physical install would be good. That's simply what I would've done.
[08:46] <dsmith> re: windows, I have getting to the point that I can almost completely migrate away from windows both for home/work
[08:46] <dsmith> ayay!
[08:46] <kouran> firstly, i need to get the cd to work!
[08:46] <waylandbill> kouran: can't boot it?
[08:47] <kouran> no. it doesnt boot. however it boots an this machine. i was wondering if there was a way to run the installer from suse.
[08:47] <dsmith> I have ben pushing ubuntu on to my peers
[08:47] <dsmith> :)
[08:47] <kouran> because there is an existing suse installation
[08:47] <kouran> or, can i fix the boot problem? my windows cd boots fine.
[08:48] <Skuller> if dapper is updated to edgy how much is to be downloaded from the internet?
[08:48] <aaron__> kouran: ... you have to search for debootstrap ubuntu...  it's about 30 steps
[08:49] <kouran> and that'll let me boot the cd...? :|
[08:49] <aaron__> kouran: you have to download debootstrap... run the command.. no.. nevermind the debootstrap,...
[08:49] <aaron__> kouran: just reboot the computer with the kubuntu cd in it
[08:49] <kouran> I TRIED THAT
[08:50] <zerothis> i have an amd 64-bit dual core CPU (FX-60 X2) in my notebook. could i expect any problems if I recompiled the kernal to 2.6.20.3 instead of using the 2.6.17-11-generic ? as in, programs no longer working or chrashing often?
[08:50] <kouran> dont you understand? the cd does *not* boot.
[08:50] <dystopianray> kouran: do any other linux cds boot?
[08:50] <kouran> yes.
[08:50] <waylandbill> kouran: did you do a media check by md5sum?
[08:50] <dystopianray> kouran: yousaid before that you made the cd yourself, get a real kubuntu cd and try booting that
[08:50] <aaron__> kouran: and maybe  go into the bios to choose .. nevermind that, I'm sorry, I was away for a second.. boot floppies!
[08:50] <kouran> how do i dao that waylandbill?
[08:50] <bartist> intelikey
[08:50] <bartist> did type startx, here is the response
[08:50] <intelikey> ?
[08:50] <waylandbill> md5sum /dev/cdrom (or the device node if different)
[08:51] <bartist> Error opening /dev/wecom: no such file or dir
[08:51] <waylandbill> compare to the listed sum where you downloaded from
[08:51] <intelikey> don't flood
[08:51] <aaron__> kouran: if your computer doesn't support booting from the cd, then it has a floppy disk, the cd has instructions for using dd to make a boot floppy
[08:51] <intelikey> !paste | bartist
[08:51] <ubotu> bartist: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:51] <kouran> aaron. i had just said my windows cd works, and other linux cds.
[08:51] <kouran> understand?
[08:52] <kouran> good.
[08:52] <kouran> waylandbill, ill be back in a sec.
[08:52] <dystopianray> kouran: md5sum the cd
[08:52] <aaron__> kouran: oh.. well then, the kubuntu cd is probably bad.. reburn it ?
[08:52] <kouran> im gonna try my best to avoid expletives.
[08:52] <kouran> aaron, the cd works on this pc
[08:52] <waylandbill> he's going to md5sum it. no worries.
[08:52] <bartist> waylandbill oz?
[08:53] <aaron__> kouran: where does the cd fail?
[08:53] <intelikey> bartist is that all ?
[08:53] <kouran> aaron, at booting. with all due respect man, you're getting on my nerves. you're no help
[08:53] <intelikey> wacom error is not an error.  that's a ubuntu feature.
[08:53] <waylandbill> oz?
[08:54] <dystopianray> waylandbill: he's asking if you're australian
[08:54] <waylandbill> oh. :)  nope.
[08:54] <dystopianray> I am australian
[08:54] <kouran> im australian :D go aussie.
[08:54] <kouran> dystopianray, australia for the win!
[08:55] <kouran> what the hell, this md5sum is taking ages :|
[08:55] <dystopianray> kouran: well it does have the read the entire cd
[08:55] <waylandbill> bartist: all you need to do is comment out the wacom devices in the xorg.conf
[08:55] <kouran> ah ok
[08:56] <waylandbill> computing the checksum of 700mb byte by byte isn't gonna be in the order of seconds. :-)
[08:56] <Linux_Galore> kouran: Im in sydney
[08:57] <kouran> uhh, im given an md5 string. what do i do with it? :P
[08:57] <dystopianray> kouran: paste it in here
[08:57] <kouran> melbourne for me :D
[08:57] <kouran> on moment
[08:57] <dystopianray> adelaide for me
[08:57] <kouran> one*
[08:57] <kouran> have to write it lol
[08:57] <Linux_Galore> kouran: aaah,  4 seasons in one hour city
[08:57] <bartist> adelaide too
[08:58] <aaron__> kouran: so, other boot cd's work on this computer, and this cd works fine on other computers...   I would like to know if the kubuntu logo comes up and if you can use that menu
[08:58] <waylandbill> kouran: good thing it's only 32 characters long then.
[08:58] <bartist> intelikey here is my error msg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10738/
[08:58] <bartist> wacom was the first line
[08:58] <dystopianray> kouran: if it's on a different computer just pastebin it
[08:59] <Linux_Galore> kouran: Linux has a built in biut and past, just highlight the text and past by hitting the centre mouse button (its the wheel on a wheel mouse) and that pasts it
[08:59] <bartist> i am not oz; i am european, but i'am staying in adelaide for 1 semester
[08:59] <bartist> and i think Oz rules!
[08:59] <dystopianray> bartist: uni student?
[08:59] <Linux_Galore> cut*
[08:59] <bartist> yes
[08:59] <dystopianray> bartist: university of adelaide?
[08:59] <bartist> yes
[08:59] <dystopianray> me too
[08:59] <bartist> that's funny!
[08:59] <waylandbill> bartist: comment the devices calling for wacom in your ServerLayout section of xorg.conf.
[08:59] <bartist> the world is small
[09:00] <intelikey> bartist and that's all it said ?   still didn't start ?
[09:00] <kouran> dystopianray, 11cda244c02b16369f75601f2808dcb
[09:00] <bartist> yes, did not start
[09:00] <intelikey> bartist dose kdm load ?
[09:00] <bartist> kdm?
[09:00] <intelikey> bartist kdm is the graphical login manager
[09:00] <bartist> you mean the graph interface to enter log in name?
[09:00] <intelikey> yes
[09:00] <bartist> yes it loads
[09:00] <bartist> i enter username and pass
[09:01] <bartist> then it tries to load, but come back to kdm
[09:01] <intelikey> and it loops
[09:01] <intelikey> ok
[09:01] <waylandbill> then it's the desktop evironment messing up, not x
[09:01] <ary> oi ??
[09:01] <kouran> dystopianray, you there?
[09:02] <dystopianray> kouran: yes just checking what the md5 should be
[09:02] <kouran> ok
[09:02] <intelikey> bartist in the console do this      sudo chown -R $USER $HOME       and try startx again.
[09:02] <aaron__> kouran: booting is a long process
[09:02] <Linux_Galore> kouran: md5sums  for the kubuntu CD's http://mirrors.uwa.edu.au/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/edgy/MD5SUMS
[09:02] <dystopianray> kouran: 1f9baed847eff89b03c754fcaea8070e  kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[09:03] <intelikey> looks like maybe a permissions problem.
[09:03] <N6REJ> ok folks, I've gone stupid tonight.  I can't remember how to change the windows group from "mshome" to "office" in KDE so that my windows clients can see everything properly.
[09:03] <dystopianray> N6REJ: your samba workgroupo?
[09:03] <Linux_Galore> kouran: if yours matches then its ok
[09:04] <N6REJ> I think so... if I browse the network from my xp client is says there are two groups "MSHOME" and "OFFICE" there should only be "OFFICE"
[09:04] <bartist> i ll reboot and brb
[09:04] <bartist> thanx for the help guys!
[09:04] <dystopianray> N6REJ: edit the workgroup line in /etc/samba/smb.conf and then restart samba
[09:04] <N6REJ> dystopianray: if it makes a diff I'm using KDE in the server mode though I do have the desktop installed
[09:04] <kouran> hmm
[09:04] <N6REJ> k
[09:04] <N6REJ> brb
[09:04] <kouran> looks like ill download it again :D
[09:04] <kouran> lol
[09:05] <Linux_Galore> kouran: I usually check the iso file right after I download it so I know before hand that Im not going to be burning coasters
[09:05] <waylandbill> kouran: sounds like a good plan. :-)
[09:05] <kouran> how do you do that? md5 it before you download? the thing is, i copied the files from another disk..
[09:05] <aaron__>  I've got cd's that have a  perfect md5sum that work with some cd drives, and not others, burnt cd's suck
[09:06] <kouran> md5 before you burn*
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> kouran: you download the file then test the iso file "before" you burn anything
[09:06] <waylandbill> kouran: md5sum the iso file
[09:06] <Linux_Galore> kouran: then check the md5 hash code against that link I gave you and make sure it matches
[09:06] <intelikey> unburnt cd's are all blank
[09:06] <kouran> thanks guys, you've been a good help
[09:07] <kouran> BUT. it doesnt explain why it'll boot on this machine :|
[09:07] <neonlinux> hey all, anyone had experience with feisty and smart monitoring?
[09:07] <dystopianray> neonlinux: what trouble are you having?
[09:07] <kouran> wait till feisty is released :D
[09:07] <Linux_Galore> kouran: because maybe the first 30% of the cd is fine so all the boot stuff works
[09:07] <neonlinux> in dapper i am able to use hddtemp to monitor my hdds temp status
[09:07] <kouran> trues. you've been a good help. thanks :)
[09:07] <neonlinux> in feisty it says smart not supported
[09:07] <hyper_ch> neonlinux: feisty runs fine for me
[09:07] <waylandbill> kouran: that's reverse logic. if it doesn't match the sum, that doesn't mean it  won't boot on any machine, just not on all machines
[09:07] <dystopianray> neonlinux: try smartmontools
[09:08] <neonlinux> ok
[09:08] <intelikey> kouran possably dirty lazor ?   i have seen the same thing a time or two.   when three bootable cd boot on one box but only two of them will on the other... generall a good cleaning fixes it...
[09:08] <neonlinux> actually.. ill have to wait abit... e17 is still installing
[09:08] <dystopianray> neonlinux: do you have PATA drives? and in fiesty they're all /dev/sd* rather than /dev/hd* ?
[09:08] <Linux_Galore> kouran: you can have bad burns and the cd will still work, just not very well
[09:09] <neonlinux> its a sata drive
[09:09] <neonlinux> doing sudo hddtemp /dev/sda in dapper showed the temp
[09:09] <dystopianray> neonlinux: what kernel does dapper have?
[09:09] <Linux_Galore> kouran: yeah, get a cotton bug and clean the small clear lens on the burner
[09:09] <N6REJ> dystopianray: found it but I think I found two other problems too.  Right now it says to only use the 127 network, but all of my lan machines are behind the router on a 192 network.
[09:10] <waylandbill> intelikey: it boots other cd's though. The bad cd isn't a good indicator of whether the hardware is sound though.
[09:10] <neonlinux> 2,6,19 i think
[09:10] <Linux_Galore> kouran: sorry cotton bug ear cleaner
[09:10] <dystopianray> N6REJ: it has hosts allow 127. ?
[09:10] <N6REJ> dystopianray: yes
[09:10] <bartist> i have the exact same error msg as before
[09:10] <neonlinux> actually.. it could be 2.6.15
[09:10] <kouran> linux_galore, i think you mean bud :P
[09:10] <intelikey> waylandbill did i miss something ?
[09:10] <neonlinux> i think 2.6.19 was edgy
[09:10] <dystopianray> 2.6.17 is edgy
[09:11] <Linux_Galore> kouran: wouldn't believe how many junked burner I receive that are fixed with a cotton bud
[09:11] <waylandbill> intelikey: that was the only cd that boot in his machine.
[09:11] <waylandbill> didn't
[09:11] <dystopianray> N6REJ: well comment that line out then
[09:11] <neonlinux> dystopianray: thanks :)
[09:11] <kouran> yeah they couldnt very claned after continuous use, given the nature of the device..
[09:11] <bartist> i have the exact same error msg as before
[09:11] <kouran> couldnt be very clean*
[09:12] <N6REJ> dystopianray: would it be better to set it to 192.168.1.0/32 to open the full class C for 192?
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> kouran: fine by me now I have a 8 x DVD-RW machine
[09:12] <bartist> do you think it's xconf?
[09:12] <dystopianray> N6REJ: if you want
[09:12] <kouran> hehe same.
[09:12] <N6REJ> dystopianray: k, don't know the ramifications of either way.
[09:12] <Linux_Galore> kouran: thats 8 dvdroms not speed
[09:12] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I think you just need to specify 'hosts allow 192.168.'
[09:13] <kouran> ohhhh.. :P
[09:13] <intelikey> bartist all i know to tell you is add a user and add them to the admin group and try to login as them.   you can  sudo adduser     in the console   and  sudo nano /etc/group  add the new user name to the admin group  save and exit.    then try in the kdm to login as the new user.
[09:13] <N6REJ> dystopianray: ok, I gotcha
[09:13] <kouran> why 8? improve their life?
[09:13] <intelikey> bartist no it's not xorg.conf or kdm would crash
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> kouran: add that to the P4 1.8Ghz machine I found thrown out because the on board graphics didnt works and I have a kick ass mass media library machine
[09:14] <dystopianray> N6REJ: kde has a configuration dialog, but it's only accessible via kcontrol
[09:14] <kouran> good idea man
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> kouran: I have to backup allot of crap
[09:14] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: can you burn 8 cds simulataneously?
[09:14] <bartist> is it a pb of driver?
[09:14] <N6REJ> ok, I'll have to look into learning to use it more.
[09:14] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: yep
[09:14] <bartist> should i reinstall nvidia?
[09:14] <N6REJ> let me restart samba now.
[09:15] <kouran> nvidia installations are eeeeeevil
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: lots of ram and some extra ide cards
[09:15] <waylandbill> Linux_Galore: nice. you'll burn us all kubuntu cd's now right? :-P
[09:15] <intelikey> bartist now that it could be....  i don't know for sure.
[09:15] <N6REJ> dystopianray: anything special I need to do so the mac can use the resources too?
[09:15] <kouran> is there a way to md5sum an iso in windows? (dnt flame me)
[09:15] <intelikey> adding a user wont hurt though
[09:15] <N6REJ> dystopianray: its runing osX
[09:15] <neonlinux> dystopianray: gtg for now... ill try smartmontools when e17 has installed.. thanks
[09:15] <Linux_Galore> waylandbill: no, usually I backup a pile of video libs
[09:16] <bartist> alright, i'll try
[09:16] <bartist> thx for the help
[09:16] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I don't believe so, but i've never owned a mac
[09:16] <bartist> cee you
[09:16] <N6REJ> dystopianray: great...
[09:16] <DisabledDuck> is there a way to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 without a new install?
[09:16] <Skuller> !upgrade | DisabledDuck
[09:16] <ubotu> DisabledDuck: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> hmm that reminds me cebit is on next week I should burn some kubuntu cd's
[09:17] <waylandbill> Linux_Galore: with 8 dvds? goodness that's alot of video
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> sorry next month
[09:17] <kouran> is there a way to md5sum an iso in windows? (dnt flame me)
[09:17] <haffe> Linux_Galore:  Isn't Cebit now?
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> haffe: no there is a cebit in sydney next month
[09:17] <waylandbill> kouran: download md5sum executable for windows
[09:17] <kouran> ah
[09:17] <haffe> Ah.
[09:17] <Linux_Galore> haffe: cebit is all over the world
[09:17] <haffe> Ok, I see.
[09:17] <N6REJ> grrrrrrrrr darn wireless mouse batteries
[09:18] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: its not in fiji :(
[09:18] <dsmith> question: for remote ubuntu support what is the easiest for noobs to work with?
[09:18] <Linux_Galore> haffe: you must be in germany
[09:18] <dsmith> Krdc?
[09:18] <l90bpm> lol
[09:18] <haffe> Linux_Galore:  Sweden to be more exact.
[09:18] <Skuller> lol
[09:18] <DisabledDuck> how do i change the default browser that applications open websites with?
[09:19] <Linux_Galore> haffe: not that far
[09:19] <dystopianray> DisabledDuck: system settings -> default applications
[09:19] <Linux_Galore> haffe: 1 hour in a plane
[09:19] <intelikey> DisabledDuck or update-alternatives
[09:19] <DisabledDuck> Thanks
[09:20] <l90bpm> If you keep your machine updated is it nessesary to to upgrade from 6.06?
[09:20] <haffe> Linux_Galore:  Yeah, but I'm in the middle of the mid-terms.
[09:20] <Skuller> l90bpm: no
[09:20] <l90bpm> thank you
[09:20] <intelikey> !lts | l90bpm
[09:20] <ubotu> l90bpm: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[09:20] <l90bpm> I tried asking in another room but they had bigger fish to fry
[09:20] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: not really, it depends if you want the new flashy stuff
[09:20] <Skuller> they usually do
[09:21] <intelikey> !dapper | l90bpm
[09:21] <ubotu> l90bpm: dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[09:21] <DisabledDuck> does 6.06 differ in overall speed compared to 6.10?
[09:21] <dystopianray> l90bpm: it's not 'necessary' to upgrade, but you will have older software than 6.10
[09:22] <Linux_Galore> haffe: last time I put a foot in a school of any kind was  8 years ago
[09:22] <l90bpm> I'm a out of place gnomeling..  just figured I could ask that here
[09:22] <intelikey> DisabledDuck it uses upstart rather than SysVinit so pasts the login streen a little quicker for some folks.
[09:22] <intelikey> pasts posts
[09:22] <dystopianray> intelikey: except that the upstart is only used in sysvinit mode with regular sysvinit scripts
[09:22] <intelikey> streen screen
[09:22] <haffe> Linux_Galore:  Ok.
[09:23] <emacla> I can only choose 640x480 and 800x600 resolution. Why can't i choose a larger one?
[09:23] <Skuller> hehe
[09:23] <haffe> The way my field is going, I will be happy if I ever leave school.
[09:23] <DisabledDuck> intelikey: will Fiesty Fawn be any faster than 6.10?
[09:23] <Skuller> it is supposed to...using a new kernel and all
[09:23] <l90bpm> I want some shiny
[09:23] <intelikey> only  on new hardware i suspect.
[09:23] <Linux_Galore> allot of stuffing around though to get k3b 1.0 running in edgy with "no complaints" from k3b
[09:23] <emacla> I has windows on the same computor, and there i can have a much larger res.
[09:23] <DisabledDuck> intelikey: ah, thanks, guess i need to keep this for my old laptop then, heh
[09:23] <intelikey> software grows larger but seldom if ever grows faster
[09:24] <Skuller> l90bpm: u should get beryl if u like eye candy
[09:24] <l90bpm> what's that?
[09:24] <Skuller> !beyl | l90bpm
[09:24] <Skuller> !beryl | l90bpm
[09:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beyl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:24] <ubotu> l90bpm: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:24] <Linux_Galore> Im sticking with edgy, feisty offers me nothing new (no kde 4)
[09:24] <l90bpm> I've been liking these CSI linux shells I've been seeing
[09:24] <DisabledDuck> really?
[09:25] <intelikey> M$ used to lie about that with each new release. "fastest..."  but when installed on the same hardware it was always a little slower.   the speed increase was in hardware not in software.
[09:25] <Linux_Galore> well the newest version of kde on edgy is 3.5.6, the same as on feisty, so unless you have hardware issues why update ?
[09:25] <dystopianray> intelikey: it's intentionally slower to promote hardware upgrades, hardware vendors want microsoft to do this
[09:25] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: edgy is at 3.5.5
[09:25] <DisabledDuck> intelikey: yeah, i know what you mean, i just meant if i installed it on my new machine if the Windows manager and such would load faster and the like
[09:25] <Skuller> intelikey: thats true..the biggest example would be vista....gaming performance shows vista sux as a gaming platform currently
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: thats the default not the newest
[09:26] <dystopianray> Linux_Galore: you're talking about third party repositries?
[09:26] <l90bpm> other than layout, what is different about kde and gnome?
[09:26] <Linux_Galore> dystopianray: no kubuntu have a kde-latest repo for edgy
[09:26] <DisabledDuck> does Kubuntu run the newest version of KDE?
[09:27] <intelikey> DisabledDuck no
[09:27] <l90bpm> I bet you guys get sick of that question.. nm
[09:27] <intelikey> !worksforme | DisabledDuck
[09:27] <ubotu> DisabledDuck: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:27] <Linux_Galore> DisabledDuck: add   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main   to your package manager
[09:27] <intelikey> note the last sentance
[09:28] <Linux_Galore> DisabledDuck: it will update you to kde 3.5.6
[09:28] <DisabledDuck> intelikey: so are you saying that the newest version of KDE is not as stable as the version in edgy?
[09:28] <l90bpm> I'll take your advice ubotu..  I'm too much of a n00b to bring on problems
[09:28] <waylandbill> !bot
[09:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:29] <l90bpm> hate to upgrade and then have incompatibilities
[09:29] <Linux_Galore> DisabledDuck: actually I found it more stable because 3.5.6 is a bug fix release not a feature release
[09:29] <emacla> How can i choose a higher resolution that 800x600?
[09:29] <DisabledDuck> Linux_Galore: thanks
[09:29] <l90bpm> lol..
[09:29] <intelikey> DisabledDuck i'm saying that the reason that ubuntu does NOT try nor intend to always have the latest "anything" is because of stability.   the "latest tested" in the upstream source (debian sid) is what ubuntu shoots for.
[09:30] <DisabledDuck> intelikey: ah, alright, i see what your saying
[09:31] <Linux_Galore> looks like herd will have KDE 4 by the looks
[09:31] <ScarFreewill> !java
[09:31] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:31] <l90bpm> berl will run on gnome right?
[09:31] <intelikey> i wonder where bartist is...
[09:32] <intelikey> must have either worked or he gave up.
[09:32] <l90bpm> the reason I'm here by the way is I haven't decided if I'm a gnome or kde kinda guy
[09:32] <Athame> Why not have both?
[09:32] <l90bpm> can you?
[09:32] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: to be honest Im a kde/xfce  guy
[09:32] <intelikey> l90bpm so install xubuntu  :)
[09:32] <Athame> Sure
[09:33] <Athame> I have both Gnome and KDE
[09:33] <blekos> hi, is there somewhere i could fid the sources.list for feisty in order to replace my old sources.list which i have messed up?
[09:33] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: xfce is very addictive on old machines (even more so on new machines)
[09:33] <l90bpm> I have it.. just thought it was light weight.. was gonna use it on an older machine
[09:33] <Athame> blekos sourceomatic.com
[09:33] <intelikey> no reason for all the indicision... if you can't choose between A. and B. just use C.
[09:33] <intelikey> :)
[09:33] <l90bpm> xubuntu that is
[09:33] <ScarFreewill> l90bpm: most people I know find kde easier to use aka more user friendly ... gnome uses less resources...
[09:34] <crackhead_25> question: how do i install the drivers for creative sound blaster audigy 7.1?
[09:34] <blekos> thnx
[09:34] <l90bpm> I see
[09:34] <Athame> np
[09:34] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: it should autoload snd_emu10k1
[09:34] <intelikey> !audigy
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audigy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <l90bpm> and xubuntu is the best of both worlds?
[09:34] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: you can install xfce easily if you have installed ubuntu/kubuntu with one command,  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: xubuntu is really nice :)
[09:35] <intelikey> l90bpm no not really.    in linux it's hard to say anything has a "best"
[09:35] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: that's what I use
[09:35] <l90bpm> but what's different other than the lil mouse?
[09:35] <Linux_Galore> I always find it amusing. gnome is removing features to make it simple,  xfce is super simple but they are adding features
[09:35] <l90bpm> cute by the way
[09:35] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: how do i know if it's been autoloaded?
[09:36] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: lsmod | grep ^snd
[09:36] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: a lot of desktop environment features are not there as they are not really necessary
[09:36] <intelikey> l90bpm it's all kinda subjective and controversial...   none of it is much good.  just use the console. that's where linux shines like a light in a dark world.
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: is very very fast
[09:36] <dystopianray> l90bpm: use twm
[09:36] <N6REJ> dystopianray: any idea why the printer driver recommends footmatic over cups?
[09:36] <intelikey> dystopianray or blackbox
[09:36] <l90bpm> and it won't alter the stuff I already have?
[09:36] <Linux_Galore> l90bpm: have a look around  www.xfce-look.org
[09:36] <dystopianray> N6REJ: no idea
[09:37] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: very fast on old machines... but on high-end machines you don't really notice a difference between xfce and gnome and kde... just the amount of ressources being used differs
[09:37] <l90bpm> program-wise
[09:37] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: it doesn't appear to have loaded
[09:37] <N6REJ> dystopianray: I thought cups was not the defacto recommended methodology?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> ui, new kernel :)
[09:37] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I have no idea when it comes to printers
[09:37] <N6REJ> dystopianray: ditto here
[09:37] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: modprobe snd-emu10k1
[09:37] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: I disagree, on my core2 xfce loads from the login to the desktop so fast that i can help but not laugh
[09:37] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: will i have to manually load the driver for it everytime i boot up fresh?
[09:38] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: no, manually load it now and if it works add it to /etc/modules
[09:38] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: I don't note any noticable speed increase
[09:38] <l90bpm> lmao
[09:38] <hyper_ch> intelikey: I also run almost only kde appz :)
[09:38] <DisabledDuck> when will fiesty be releases?
[09:38] <dystopianray> DisabledDuck: april 19
[09:38] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: I can see kde and gnome loading ie it takes about 12 seconds, xfce loads for me under 2
[09:39] <hyper_ch> DisabledDuck: depends on what kind of release you are looking for :)
[09:39] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: how do i "add to /etc/modules"? can i do that for other modules, too, like the wireless lan module i had to use for my usb wireless card?
[09:39] <l90bpm> so thats it.. and then I can run both..  so why doesn't everybody just do that?
[09:39] <l90bpm> universal seems like the way to go
[09:39] <crackhead_25> that would be such a help, if so.. i hate having to manually go through the whole modprobe, iwconfig, dhclient, blah blah blah
[09:39] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: use your favourite text editor to edit the file
[09:39] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: I would use vim
[09:39] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: what you mean you can run both?
[09:40] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: needs to be edited as root or using sudo though
[09:40] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: how do i test to see if the driver works with the card and the speakers?
[09:40] <l90bpm> kde apps and gnome apps
[09:40] <intelikey> hyper_ch although i do use gentoo some (not the distro)
[09:40] <l90bpm> sorry, I am a bit confusing
[09:40] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp (turn your volume down!)
[09:41] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: i dont understand what you typed there.. cat.. ?
[09:41] <l90bpm> my brain is in alpha phase, sorry..  bare with me if you can
[09:41] <intelikey> l90bpm you can run kde/gnome/xfce4/whatever apps in any desktop env.
[09:41] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: problem is that Gnome and Xfce use GTK... KDE does not... so if you want to run KDE appz in gnome/xfce it will load more libraries... and vice versa... it is, from a resource point of view, better to run gtk apps in gnome/xfce and kde appz in kde
[09:41] <l90bpm> really?
[09:41] <intelikey> yes
[09:41] <l90bpm> had no idea
[09:41] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: just type in a terminal "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and press enter, make sure your speaker volume is turned down
[09:41] <l90bpm> I've been avoiding kde apps due to ignorance
[09:42] <l90bpm> wonderful
[09:42] <dystopianray> l90bpm: kde has some of the best apps, k3b, amarok, for example
[09:42] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: not always, gnome often over loads libs were kde doesnt with some gtk apps
[09:42] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: will it matter that i had other drivers originally running a different sound card still in the machine? do i have to stop those drivers or anything?
[09:42] <hyper_ch> l90bpm: there are many beautiful kde appz out there... kontact, konqueror, konversation, kopete, ktorrent
[09:42] <hyper_ch> amarok
[09:42] <blekos> i did sudo aptitude dist-upgrade instead of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade what is the differnece?
[09:43] <hyper_ch> Linux_Galore: you can find an exception to every rule
[09:43] <l90bpm> ktorrent sounds nice, is there forced encryption?
[09:43] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: hrrm remove both drivers and modprobe the emu10k1 ones
[09:43] <N6REJ> dystopianray: the printers not showing as shared in windows even though it is in ubuntu.  I've never had this much trouble before.
[09:43] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I've never used a printer before
[09:43] <Linux_Galore> hyper_ch: wish I kept a link to the tests,  it showed things like firefox uses less ram in kde than in gnome with the extra libs loading
[09:43] <hyper_ch> blekos: aptitude normally updates/installs the recommended packages als... apt-get doesn't
[09:43] <N6REJ> dystopianray: oh
[09:44] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I really have no idea when it comes to printers on linux
[09:44] <N6REJ> dystopianray: normally its very simple
[09:44] <blekos> and what apt-get does then? what else does installs? can i do apt-get after uptitude?
[09:44] <N6REJ> something tells me I've got to restart sharing or possible the network in *nix
[09:44] <hyper_ch> gotta reboot :)
[09:45] <intelikey> Linux_Galore i just loaded kde and checked ram then loaded gnome and checked ram    gnome 53m   kde 44m    :)
[09:45] <dystopianray> blekos: look at the man page if you want to find out about a command
[09:45] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: now load firefox on both
[09:45] <N6REJ> dystopianray: ok, the problem lies within sharing permissions... I can't even browse the network from windows
[09:45] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: how do i know which drivers are the old ones?
[09:45] <intelikey> don't like it
[09:45] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: gnome bloats more than kde
[09:46] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: what card is the old one?
[09:46] <Skuller> yea i know....konqi fan
[09:46] <dystopianray> gnome is lame
[09:46] <dystopianray> and more resource intensive than kde
[09:46] <crackhead_25> it was whatever was on the mb by default.. nvidia something maybe?
[09:46] <Skuller> yea jus waitin fer KDE4 i am too
[09:46] <Linux_Galore> you would thing firefox in kde would suck considering its based on gtk, nope it uses less ram in kde
[09:46] <Linux_Galore> think*
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> go figure
[09:47] <Skuller> !aolbanics | Skuller
[09:47] <dystopianray> kde uses less ram than gnome in general
[09:47] <intelikey> but gnome does seems just a little faster starting an app like gedit compared to kedit in kde   i don't know that i have ever reversed the test kedit in gnome and gedit in kde ....
[09:47] <l90bpm> firefox is pretty important to me just due to the add ons
[09:47] <l90bpm> I have a few I'm quite fond of
[09:47] <N6REJ> dystopianray: something in samba is still wrong.
[09:47] <dystopianray> N6REJ: I'm no samba expert
[09:47] <N6REJ> k
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: try kate
[09:48] <pollyo> Hello
[09:48] <l90bpm> don't know what I would do w/o them
[09:48] <intelikey> but blackbox loads them just fine for me.
[09:48] <dystopianray> intelikey: or kwrite
[09:48] <pollyo> Any idea how I kill a program in kubuntu?
[09:48] <N6REJ> dystopianray: shouldn't there be a samba cp icon or is that covered in "sharing"?
[09:48] <l90bpm> hello pollyo
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I blink and kate is open
[09:48] <dystopianray> N6REJ: there is in kcontrol
[09:48] <N6REJ> kcontrol?
[09:48] <intelikey> compared to what though ?   you are talking appels and bananas there...
[09:48] <dystopianray> N6REJ: the regular kde settings tool, alt+f2 and run kcontrol
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: for me gedit is fast in gnome but kate in kde is faster
[09:49] <N6REJ> k
[09:49] <dystopianray> N6REJ: system settings is just some crap kubuntu specific thing
[09:49] <intelikey> a kde app in gnome and in kde i would expect it to load fasted in the env it's made for.
[09:49] <pollyo> I'm running superkaramba on my kubuntu and the weather widget (or whatever they call it) is dead and I do not know how to kill it.
[09:49] <N6REJ> dystopianray: k
[09:50] <intelikey> kate is not that fast for me.
[09:50] <l90bpm> I'm still a little confused about xubuntu..  I hear the differences between kde and gnome..  but I'm missing the point entirely on x
[09:50] <N6REJ> dystopianray: thanks this looks much better
[09:50] <l90bpm> it's ok though
[09:50] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: is for me, have you stripped you binaries ?
[09:50] <Linux_Galore> your*
[09:50] <dystopianray> pollyo: press ctrl+esc
[09:51] <intelikey> no
[09:51] <intelikey> but you forget what hardware i'm on.
[09:51] <pollyo> dystopianray: Ahhh... Cool.
[09:52] <intelikey> ## CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor @ 351 Mhz  ##  Mem usage: 42.6/249.2 MB (17%)
[09:53] <intelikey> don't expect it to be a blink of the eye to load 14m into ram and run it.....
[09:53] <crackhead_25> question: how do i determine which drivers are sound drivers i don't need but are running? i installed a new sound card, an audigy, and i loaded the audigy emu10.. drivers, but i can't hear any sound, even though teh speakers are plugged in. i'm thinking it's becauxe the old sound card drivers are still running?
[09:53] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: ok take the growisofs binary, before I strip it its 92582Bytes  after its 81828
[09:54] <intelikey> ok and how are you striping it ?
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: pick a binary (thats not a script) and type   sudo strip -s /usr/bin/whatever   make sure you back it up just in case
[09:54] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: run the binary before and after stripping
[09:55] <intelikey> k i'll look into that.
[09:55] <intelikey> thanks for the heads up on that
[09:56] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: basically it removes all the rubbish from the compile
[09:56] <dsmith>  did adpet get changed?
[09:56] <dsmith> *adept
[09:56] <intelikey> yeah i was just looking at the man page
[09:56] <dsmith> for some reason I have kpackage and synaptic now
[09:56] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: find out what sound hardware you have
[09:56] <dsmith> duh nm I found it
[09:56] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:57] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I'm surprised many distro still supply unstripped binaries because it increases disk space and bandwidth for updates
[09:58] <dsmith> !freenx
[09:58] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[09:58] <intelikey> heh being a script hog anyway.    for Q in `find / -type f` ;do file $Q | grep -ie binary && strip $Q ;done       hehhe
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: only rule is dont strip libs lol
[09:59] <intelikey> kids don't try that at home     ;)
[10:00] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: stick with /bin   directories
[10:00] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: i have nvidia/ hda-intel .... and CA0106/AudigySE
[10:00] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: remove the hda-intal module
[10:00] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: probably snd_hda_intel or similar
[10:01] <Linux_Galore> intelikey: I find it gives the machines a slight edge, bit like the difference between a sharp knife and wow I can shave with that
[10:01] <intelikey> if you can't shave with it it's not sharp.
[10:02] <stdin> time to test that in a vm, then maybe on my real system
[10:02] <dystopianray> intelikey: not if it's serrated or acid coated
[10:02] <Linux_Galore> you can also get chemical sharpened edges
[10:03] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: what's snd_hda_codec?
[10:03] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: something else, not the main driver
[10:04] <Linux_Galore> bbl
[10:04] <crackhead_25> i tried to modprobe -r snd_hda_intel, and it said fatal: module in use
[10:04] <pollyo> Any idea if they have a FreeNX server/client for Windows as well?  I looked at FreeVNC and they have a client/server for windows as well.
[10:04] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: find out what is using it
[10:04] <crackhead_25> how?
[10:04] <intelikey> lsmod
[10:04] <stdin> pollyo: the client for windoes is from www.nomachine.com
[10:05] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: close anything that is accessing a sound device, like arts
[10:05] <crackhead_25> i dont think im running anything accessing a sound device
[10:05] <intelikey> arts ?
[10:05] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: is arts running?
[10:05] <intelikey> esd ?
[10:05] <crackhead_25> what's arts?
[10:05] <crackhead_25> how do i check?
[10:06] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: ps aux | grep artsd
[10:06] <intelikey> ps aux
[10:06] <stdin> or, pidof artsd
[10:06] <intelikey> pgrep even
[10:06] <crackhead_25> a few things came up.. looks like it.. ?
[10:06] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: killall artsd
[10:07] <crackhead_25> pidof artsd says 4936..
[10:07] <crackhead_25> what is arts??
[10:07] <crackhead_25> still fatal: module in use
[10:07] <intelikey> i think i made the install non-default  shoot!    removing java* took ubuntu-desktop with it.
[10:07] <hyper_ch> hmmm, the latest dist-upgrade just rendered my wifi card useless... hmmm
[10:08] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: grep lsmod for that driver module's name and see if any other modules are using it
[10:08] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: what wifi card?
[10:08] <intelikey> ok 1
[10:08] <intelikey> ok 2
[10:08] <pollyo> stdin: Thanks.
[10:08] <l90bpm> (When you get a sec) is this really all that is different? between 6.06 and 6.10?
[10:08] <intelikey> hmmm all up todate
[10:08] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: linksys wmp54g --> was running fine in dapper / edgy / feisty (until now)
[10:09] <l90bpm> http://slibuntu.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/edgy-eft-the-improvements/
[10:09] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: what chipset?
[10:09] <crackhead_25> ok.. did it.. pastebin: http://www.pastebin.ca/398524
[10:09] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: broadcom I think... it's recognized as ra0
[10:09] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: sounds like ralink
[10:09] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: what does lspci say it is?
[10:09] <hyper_ch> the strange thing is in the network settings I have a new entry "wmmaster0"
[10:10] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: sudo killall artsd, and try again
[10:10] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: you're right:   00:0a.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
[10:10] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: sounds like it has been put in master mode
[10:10] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I tried both... ra0 and wmmaster0 --> neither worked
[10:11] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: do you know what driver module it uses? it may be defaulting to master mode now for some reason
[10:11] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I don't even know what a driver module is :)
[10:11] <hyper_ch> hmmm, how can I ping through a specific network device?
[10:12] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: that depends on how your routes are setup
[10:12] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: lsmod | grep ^rt
[10:12] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I just look at iwconfig
[10:12] <stdin> hyper_ch: ping -I device address (-I is uppercase i)
[10:12] <intelikey> Linux_Galore_   tty24 [root#~]  ls -l /bin/bash ; strip -s /bin/bash ; ls -l /bin/bash
[10:12] <intelikey> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 664084 Apr 21  2006 /bin/bash
[10:12] <intelikey> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 664084 Mar 17 03:12 /bin/bash
[10:12] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:/etc/modprobe.d$ lsmod | grep ^rt
[10:12] <hyper_ch> rt2500pci              26240  0
[10:12] <hyper_ch> rt2x00lib              11904  1 rt2500pci
[10:13] <stdin> intelikey: was already stripped?
[10:13] <intelikey> i guess so
[10:13] <intelikey> i didn't do it.
[10:13] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: run modinfo rt2500pci and see if it has any options that talk about the default mode like master/monitor/whatever
[10:13] <stdin> $ /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[10:14] <hyper_ch> dystopianray:
[10:14] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:/etc/modprobe.d$ ping -i ra0 10.0.0.1
[10:14] <hyper_ch> ping: bad timing interval.
[10:14] <intelikey> see the date
[10:14] <hyper_ch> oh.... capital I :)
[10:14] <hyper_ch> sorry
[10:14] <stdin> hyper_ch: uppercase :)
[10:14] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: ra0 exists?
[10:14] <intelikey> who else in here thinks bash is bloated ?
[10:15] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: http://phpfi.com/216409
[10:15] <intelikey> i mean things like "more" and "echo" built into bash, to me that's rediculess...
[10:15] <dsmith> question: if an installed program once installd, shows up in lost & Found, could I just move it to somewhere else? Last time I did that the link disappeared
[10:15] <waylandbill> intelikey: back to /bin/sh for you!
[10:16] <stdin> intelikey: use dsah
[10:16] <intelikey> bash is not supposed to be busybox...
[10:16] <dystopianray> intelikey: and ra0 doesn't work?
[10:16] <dystopianray> umm woops that was meant for hyper_ch
[10:16] <waylandbill> intelikey: let's all use edlin. vim is too rich. ;)
[10:16] <intelikey> stdin but dash doesn't support some of the scripting functionality.
[10:16] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: nope
[10:16] <hyper_ch> it's does not associate with the access point anymore
[10:16] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: that driver was recently upgraded?
[10:17] <hyper_ch> you see the output of iwconfig
[10:17] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: yes, just before I did an upgrade and dist-upgrade
[10:17] <hyper_ch> new kernel was installed
[10:17] <stdin> intelikey: then don't use bashisms, dash is POSIX compatible
[10:17] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: might want to file a bug or something if an update killed your wifi
[10:18] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: can't say for sure if it was the kernel update or other updates... there were a few the last 2 days and I didn't reboot until now
[10:18] <intelikey> waylandbill there is a differance   you know that.   you have /bin/echo  but it's never used cause bash also has echo built in.  you have /usr/bin/printf but bash uses it's builtin printf you ..... the list is long.
[10:18] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: you should always upgrade after kernerl or driver updates
[10:18] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: upgrade = reboot
[10:18] <intelikey> stdin yeah i know.
[10:18] <waylandbill> intelikey: yeah I know
[10:18] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: oh... :(
[10:19] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: well, I'm not sure if there was a driver update before... but I did reboot after kernel update
[10:19] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: have to make sure the box can still boot and all hardware is functional, which in this case it is not
[10:19] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: when you reboot next, select the last kernel that you know works
[10:20] <intelikey> do "help" and look at the list of built-ins
[10:20] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: howto? It does not show in grub
[10:21] <intelikey> i mean /bin/pwd and bash built-in pwd  come on....
[10:21] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: hrrm, I don't know, try filing a bug report or maybe ask in #ubuntu as well or check the forums
[10:21] <Lynoure> Anyone in Feisty, willing to verify a Basket bug for me?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I guess I'll do a new install of feisty and try it again :)
[10:23] <dystopianray> does fiesty use upstart properly or is it still used in sysvinit mode?
[10:23] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: looking at the dpkg log... what would I need to search for? rt2 ?
[10:24] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: probably
[10:24] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: well, nothing found with regard to that
[10:24] <blekos> i dont get it, any now and then i get messages for available updates from the synaptic manager. Does this refers to installed packages?
[10:25] <dystopianray> blekos: yes, security updates and what not
[10:25] <blekos> and what will happen eventually if you keep updating everything? You constanlty loosing space
[10:25] <dystopianray> blekos: run apt-get autoclean to remove redundant deb files
[10:26] <blekos> i do it, and i use also deborhan
[10:26] <dystopianray> well unless you have an incredibly small hard drive whatever space it's using is not going to be a problem
[10:26] <blekos> well i have ginen the / partion 14gb, and now i have 9.9 (i'll have less in awhile cause i am upgrading to feisty fawn)
[10:26] <miltos> how do i make vlc my default media player?
[10:27] <blekos> i must admit i have installed a couple of other progs as well
[10:27] <blekos> are the old files of an ubuntu version removed after upgrade?
[10:28] <dystopianray> blekos: yes, the updates replace old packages, they are not in addition to them
[10:28] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I think I'll reinstall feisty and see how it behaves then... just a question whether the configs in /etc will remain if I chose not to format the root partition?
[10:29] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: probably not
[10:29] <blekos> i c, thhnx, well finally, i would like to ask if there is a gui app that can help me with keepin a FULL backup of my system so i want to re-partion my disk to be able to fully recover
[10:30] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: ok :) btw, what is the correct way to get the right kernel for an amd processor? I tried sudo apt-get install linux-k7 but grub didn't offer anything although it downloaded something
[10:30] <waylandbill> !info keep
[10:30] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 836 kB
[10:30] <Jucato> !generic | hyper_ch
[10:30] <ubotu> hyper_ch: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[10:30] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: just use the default
[10:32] <intelikey> i thought i'v just list the bash built-ins that are not needed on this system... or the files that are not needed because bash has them already builtin.
[10:32] <intelikey>  /bin/dir /bin/echo /bin/false /bin/kill /bin/more /bin/pwd /bin/true /usr/bin/ar /usr/bin/expr /usr/bin/last /usr/bin/lp /usr/bin/pr /usr/bin/printf /usr/bin/see /usr/bin/test /usr/bin/time
[10:32] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/lp /usr/bin/pr  <<< may not be bash builtin
[10:33] <intelikey> pr is   lp isn't
[10:33] <hyper_ch> Jucato: thx for that link... I thought really using an processor optimized kernel improves speed
[10:33] <waylandbill> intelikey: build your own bash without them. :)
[10:33] <miltos> how do i make vlc my default media player?
[10:33] <intelikey> i may
[10:35] <kgx> !samba
[10:35] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:36] <aaron_> There has got to be a kde mouse control panel somewhere..
[10:36] <intelikey> i kinda expected some of those to be scripts... every one is  ELF 32-bit LSB executable
[10:36] <waylandbill> aaron_: kcontrol, peripherals
[10:36] <miltos> how do i make vlc my default media player?
[10:39] <aaron_> waylandbill: ... huh.. I went to system settings and searched for mouse...  I guess now I see it under keyboard and mouse ?!!
[10:40] <aaron_> waylandbill: kinda hidden! (kcontrol is better though)
[10:40] <blekos> is it easy to use a rootkit (for protection)
[10:40] <blekos> ?
[10:42] <aaron_> waylandbill: ah.. it's just a grey icon! so when the others greyed out it wasn't highlighted...  I don't know how to submit this bug...
[10:42] <dystopianray> blekos: you want to rootkit yourself?
[10:42] <dystopianray> blekos: make a rootkit that fights off other rootkits?
[10:42] <blekos> no,no
[10:43] <blekos> i was told at somepoint that in order to be more secure i need a)firewall -of course- and b) anti-root software
[10:43] <blekos> *anti-rootkit
[10:45] <Cantthinkofname> so, how do i find out which version of kde i have?
[10:45] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: in any kde app go to Help -> About KDE
[10:46] <Cantthinkofname> cool
[10:46] <Cantthinkofname> so how do you upgrade?
[10:46] <Cantthinkofname> is there a good site that walks you through it that you know of?
[10:46] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: what do you want to upgrade from and to?
[10:47] <intelikey> miltos  you still here ?
[10:47] <Cantthinkofname> 3.5.3 to the latest
[10:48] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: the very latest? kde 3.5.6?
[10:48] <Cantthinkofname> i thought kde 4.0 was the latest?
[10:48] <cpk1> no
[10:48] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: experimental developer builds
[10:48] <blekos> kde 4 is about to come!!
[10:48] <miltos> intelikey,of course
[10:48] <Cantthinkofname> oh ok
[10:48] <intelikey> miltos i don't know if there is a system wide way but you can set the file assoceation in knoqueror configure konqeror  file associations   but that's konq only, i think
[10:48] <cpk1> kde4 wont be out for a while yet
[10:49] <Cantthinkofname> well, how do i upgrade to 3.5.6
[10:49] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: are you running dapper? You'll have to use edgy or fiesty for hte latest kde
[10:49] <miltos> intelikey,thanks
[10:49] <intelikey> np
[10:49] <Cantthinkofname> how do i go from dapper to one of those?
[10:49] <stamen> hi
[10:50] <Jucato> !upgrade
[10:50] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:50] <Cantthinkofname> groovy
[10:50] <stamen> who can tell me a good ebedded clock for movie player
[10:50] <stamen> I want when I watch movies to see what is the time
[10:50] <dystopianray> Cantthinkofname: 6.10 gets you kde 3.5.5, you'll need to add an additional repositry for 3.5.6
[10:51] <soon> I need some help with my LAN - can anyone suggest a good channel?
[10:51] <stamen> and it must stay lets say on the right or left upper corner
[10:51] <dsmith> anyone use Fiesty yet?
[10:51] <stamen> did anybody use somthing like this
[10:51] <stamen> dsmith: me, no
[10:51] <stamen> dsmith: it's still in development
[10:51] <dsmith> i know...
[10:52] <dsmith> i am reading a review on it...
[10:52] <stamen> dsmith: as I understand they are going to make more userfriendly
[10:52] <dystopianray> dsmith: i tried it, had a number of crashes, but was otherwise pretty good
[10:52] <stamen> dsmith: so they will work on the X
[10:53] <dsmith> hmmmm they said wireless works nice
[10:53] <dsmith> same with beryl
[10:53] <dsmith> I am sure X will need work
[10:53] <stamen> dsmith: but the thrue is that the X now is userfriendly, and I wonder what more can they do?
[10:53] <stamen> :)
[10:54] <stamen> dsmith: with beryl is just perfect
[10:54] <dsmith> *shrug*
[10:54] <dystopianray> stamen: X isn't user friendly
[10:54] <dsmith> I am nothing but satisfied with ubuntu
[10:54] <stamen> dsmith: win. vista can't catch unix/linux effects
[10:54] <stamen> dystopianray: I mean KDE, GNOME
[10:54] <dsmith> i have yet to even look at vista
[10:54] <dsmith> I amy never even bother
[10:55] <dsmith> *may
[10:55] <stamen> dsmith: :)
[10:55] <dsmith> I'm not paying ~2-400 to look at it
[10:55] <stamen> hehe
[10:55] <ScarFreewill> anyone knows swing or uses it?
[10:55] <dystopianray> ScarFreewill: java's swing?
[10:55] <dsmith> !swing
[10:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:56] <ScarFreewill> yeah
[10:56] <dystopianray> I have used it
[10:56] <ScarFreewill> i don't know how to make my app not close...
[10:56] <stamen> dsmith: what is this
[10:56] <dsmith> stamne: what??
[10:57] <dsmith> stamne: ubotu?? channel bot
[10:57] <dsmith> stamen: ubotu?? channel bot
[10:57] <stamen> ?
[10:57] <Geak> can you please tell me whats the difference betwean edubuntu and ubuntu?
[10:57] <stamen> swing is the channel bot?
[10:57] <ScarFreewill> http://scar.zapto.org/randomstuff/Capp.java if some will look at my app
[10:58] <stamen> as I see they have changed the web site of ubuntu
[10:58] <dsmith> Geak: EDU is educational in purpose
[10:59] <dsmith> !edubuntu
[10:59] <ubotu> Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org
[10:59] <dsmith> !ubuntu
[10:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[10:59] <intelikey> complete ?
[11:00] <dsmith> intelikey: what?
 Ubuntu is a complete ...
[11:00] <dsmith> oh
[11:00] <intelikey> missing ly  ?
[11:00] <dsmith> ahhh
[11:01] <intelikey> or was the intent to say that other linux based os's aren't <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete ?
[11:02] <dsmith> who compose that write-up?
[11:02] <e1mer> hi, what version of kde comes with feisty?
[11:03] <Jucato> e1mer: kde 3.5.6
[11:03] <dsmith> I was about to say its not 4
[11:03] <e1mer> thanks Jucato
[11:03] <Jucato> intelikey: it doesn't say that it's the only complete Linux-based operating system
[11:03] <intelikey> dsmith i have no incline
[11:03] <dystopianray> anyone know if it's possible to setup X to output on both the vga and tv-out outputs at the same time on i810 hardware?
[11:04] <intelikey> Jucato it's like the "linux for human beings" thing....    it implies that others aren't...
[11:05] <dsmith> if any of you are setting up ubuntu for new ppl and need a cheap printer, dell has the 720s. The are selling on eBay for <15.00 USD
[11:05] <dsmith> lexmark offers a Unix CUPS driver
[11:06] <intelikey> you don't specify and clearify unless there are others to diferintiate from.    but i pick out things like that from habit.
[11:06] <crackhead_25> question: where can i get cool new screensavers?
[11:07] <intelikey> kdelook.org ?
[11:07] <heinkel_111> its http://www.kde-look.org
[11:08] <Jucato> intelikey: you better take is up w/ Seveas in #ubuntu-ops. I'm not going to change what the bot says
[11:08] <intelikey> not asking you to....
[11:08] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: when i did sudo killall artsd, it said no process killed??
[11:08] <intelikey> just wondered if it was a typo Jucato
[11:08] <Jucato> crackhead_25: Ctrl+Esc
[11:09] <Jucato> like I said, take it up with Seveas
[11:10] <kraut> moin
[11:11] <crackhead_25> jucato: why ctrl+esc?
[11:12] <Jucato> crackhead_25: Processes table (you will see what's running and can kill it from there)
[11:12] <Jucato> artsd isn't usually run by root
[11:13] <crackhead_25> question: why can't i kill snd_hda_intel but keep getting "fatal: modul.. in use"?
[11:13] <dystopianray> crabstic: becuase something is using your sound
[11:13] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: sorry that was for you
[11:13] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: run ps aux | grep artsd
[11:14] <crackhead_25> there's one line 1000
[11:14] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: hmmm, the old kernel is still there :)
[11:14] <dystopianray> hybrid: so your wireless works again?
[11:14] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: checking now :)
[11:14] <crackhead_25> dystopianray: there's one line .. 1000.. with grep artsd
[11:15] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: yes it works with the old kernel
[11:15] <hyper_ch> so it's the new one that's a problem
[11:15] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: well something must be accessing the sound device
[11:15] <crackhead_25> how am i supposed to stop it?
[11:15] <dystopianray> crackhead_25: you have to find out what it is
[11:15] <crackhead_25> how?
[11:16] <dystopianray> hrrm i'm not sure
[11:16] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I have another question now... in the network manager I not only have static or dhcp anymore but now I also have Local Zeroconf network (IPv4 LL) --> do you know waht that is?
[11:17] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: it's for zerconf, something about automaticlaly finding network resources on your lan
[11:17] <dystopianray> zeroconf
[11:17] <dystopianray> !zeroconf
[11:17] <ubotu> zeroconf: IPv4 link-local address allocator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 40 kB, installed size 132 kB
[11:17] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: ok... then I won't need that and stick with my static :)
[11:17] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: i think it operates in addition to your static
[11:18] <dystopianray> !avahi
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:18] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: have you ever filed a bug at launchpad?
[11:18] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: hrrm I don't think so
[11:18] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: I just don't know what exactely to include :)
[11:19] <dsmith> why would nod32 offer av protection if it is not really needed?
[11:19] <dystopianray> just say your wireless is not working, and what kernel/driver version broke it, you'll be asked for more info if thye need it
[11:19] <dsmith> isn't linux safe?
[11:19] <dystopianray> dsmith: it's for scanning windows shares and email destined for windows machines
[11:20] <dsmith> hmmmmmmmm, ahhh ok
[11:20] <hyper_ch> dsmith: av for linux is aimed at win people using email or accessing shared network drives
[11:20] <dsmith> so it would be server based
[11:20] <dsmith> or thru samba shares
[11:21] <dsmith> ok, thx
[11:21] <hyper_ch> dsmith: in email when you operate an email server so you may want to scan attachments et al. for viruses so that the win users won't be bothered with it
[11:22] <dsmith> we out source email with a hosted company for now
[11:23] <dystopianray> dsmith: you could also use it to scan windows partitions from linux
[11:23] <dsmith> I am thinking about setting up a samba server like we use to have long ago with Suse
[11:24] <dystopianray> dsmith: you anticipate virus infected files getting into this share?
[11:25] <dsmith> so far I suppose we have been lucky
[11:25] <intelikey> i installed clamav and tried to update the database and found that root is not allowed to run clamav  hehhe safty i guess ?
[11:25] <dsmith> i use NOD32 across the LAN
[11:25] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: the bug seems to have been reported already:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/92742
[11:26] <dystopianray> hyper_ch: ok cool, add your info to the bug
[11:28] <dsmith> well gn time 4 bed
[11:28] <amarshall> I have some binaries stored in /usr/local/foldername/bin/
[11:28] <amarshall> is there any way to get them to run from comand line
[11:29] <dystopianray> amarshall: you need to update PATH
[11:29] <amarshall> where?
[11:29] <intelikey> export PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/foldername/bin"
[11:29] <amarshall> thanks
[11:29] <dystopianray> amarshall: i think you can put that in ~/.bash_profile
[11:30] <intelikey> in any of the runtime configs.
[11:31] <intelikey> or from the cli if you like safty
[11:33] <amarshall> exelent worked brilliantly thanks
[11:33] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[11:33] <hyper_ch> dystopianray: my first bug report (well, it's only an addition...)
[11:33] <dystopianray> cool
[11:33] <alrex021> I am new to kubuntu and I wish to gain internet acess via WiFi...I have a Toshiba Qosmio G30 with builtin wifi device....it doesnt seem to b picked up by the os...Whats the process for detecting the WiFi device in Kubuntu?
[11:34] <dystopianray> alrex021: what is the wifi chipset?
[11:34] <MetaMorfoziS> i have two network cards, and i want to my laptop that sometimes plugged to the second get automatically an ip adress and network sharing
[11:34] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[11:34] <intelikey> !wifi | alrex021
[11:34] <ubotu> alrex021: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:35] <alrex021> ubotu: thanks for the ref link.
[11:35] <intelikey> !thanks | alrex021
[11:35] <ubotu> alrex021: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:36] <dystopianray> alrex021: what is the wireless chipset?
[11:36] <alrex021> dystopianray: I need to find out quick what the chipset is, at this moment no idea
[11:36] <dystopianray> alrex021: lspci | grep -i network
[11:36] <alrex021> ok, let me try quick
[11:36] <dystopianray> alrex021: run that with sudo
[11:37] <intelikey> or   lshw | less
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i share internet on my second network card?
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> it isn't in ifconfig.
[11:40] <dystopianray> it's not an ifconfig thing
[11:40] <MetaMorfoziS> it's something like eth1
[11:40] <MetaMorfoziS> but only eth0 in ifconfig.
[11:40] <dystopianray> ifconfig -a
[11:40] <MetaMorfoziS> oh, cool eht2
[11:40] <MetaMorfoziS> ant what is sit0?
[11:41] <dystopianray> MetaMorfoziS: ipv6 related, don't need to worry about it
[11:41] <MetaMorfoziS> okay
[11:41] <MetaMorfoziS> so i want to share internet on eth2, and something auto ip adress managing with dhcp
[11:41] <MetaMorfoziS> is there a howto? or this is trivial and i'm beginner?:)
[11:42] <dystopianray> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[11:42] <dystopianray> that might help
[11:42] <MetaMorfoziS> uh
[11:42] <MetaMorfoziS> ok, thx
[11:43] <dystopianray> MetaMorfoziS: you can use dnsmasq for dns and dhcp
[11:46] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you
[11:46] <MetaMorfoziS> i think i have wrong type of cable
[11:46] <MetaMorfoziS> i never know what i need, patch or cross
[11:46] <MetaMorfoziS> but actually, i have the wrong one:)
[11:47] <dystopianray> you'll need crossover if you're connected straight to another machine
[11:47] <dystopianray> if you have gigabit on both sides then it doesn't matter what the cable type is
[11:47] <MetaMorfoziS> because the old method as i setted up the network won't work (ifconfig device ipadrr)
[11:48] <MetaMorfoziS> :/
[11:48] <MetaMorfoziS> only one side has gigabit
[11:48] <MetaMorfoziS> the other is an old laptop:/
[11:48] <dystopianray> then you'll need crossover
[11:48] <twager> Anyone know if the md5sum that k3b generates needs to be checked against the md5sum file ?
[11:49] <MetaMorfoziS> thanx dystopianray, for today, the project will skipped...
[11:49] <dystopianray> MetaMorfoziS: just get a cheap switch
[11:50] <alrex021> dystopianray: Ok seems I have a Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
[11:50] <MetaMorfoziS> ok
[11:50] <dystopianray> alrex021: ok, that requires a proprietry binary module that I doubt is shipped with kubuntu
[11:50] <alrex021> dystopianray: I did a bit of digging on google and seems I found some relevent hits
[11:51] <alrex021> dystopianray: http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_New_Intel_PRO_Wireless_3945ABG_Driver
[11:51] <dystopianray> alrex021: that's just some stupid digg article, it's not relevant
[11:51] <alrex021> hmm ok :)
[11:52] <dystopianray> alrex021: try modprobe ipw3945
[11:52] <dystopianray> err with sudo
[11:52] <alrex021> ok will do
[11:52] <intelikey> dystopianray is gigabit 'well' supported in linux ?   (i'm network illiterate)
[11:53] <dystopianray> intelikey: well I don't know what you mean by 'well', many gigabit nics are supported
[11:53] <alrex021> hmm very strange...says Error: could not find...Wireless is switched on...and tested it in windows
[11:53] <intelikey> i mean if i ran out an got a new one is there any chance the i wouldn't be able to get it jukin' in linux ?
[11:53] <aaron_> intelikey: what mobo do you have?.. I haven't had a nic not work, except for network booting
[11:54] <dystopianray> alrex021: are you running edgy?
[11:54] <thomax_> does anyone over here knows any good data encryption software?
[11:54] <aaron_> der...
[11:54] <thomax_> !encrypt
[11:54] <dystopianray> thomax_: gnupg?
[11:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encrypt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:54] <alrex021> Unfortinetly not I'm running 6.06
[11:54] <intelikey> aaron_ ok that's answer enough.
[11:54] <thomax_> dystopianray: I'll check it out
[11:54] <intelikey> aaron_ it's an old ami
[11:55] <alrex021> dystopianray: should I upgreade to edgy?
[11:55] <dystopianray> intelikey: most adapters should work fine, intel are probably the best chipsets
[11:55] <dystopianray> alrex021: ah yes, definetly
[11:55] <alrex021> dystopianray: ok,\let me sort that I first....then I'll try the modprobe again
[11:55] <ruphy> hello, any adept dev around?
[11:56] <dystopianray> alrex021: shouldn't need ot modprobe anything with edgy, should 'just work', dapper does not include the ipw3945 driver
[11:56] <intelikey> alrex021 yes upgrade at once.... ah if you don't mind doing it again in a month...
[11:56] <alrex021> hehehe yup
[11:56] <dystopianray> alrex021: try booting the edgy livecd and it should detect your wifi nic
[11:56] <alrex021> 7.04
[11:56] <alrex021> cool
[11:57] <frojnd> offtopic q: how is written: voulantire
[11:57] <alrex021> did edgy add the full support for wifi?
[11:57] <dystopianray> alrex021: no it just happens to support your particular nic
[11:57] <alrex021> 6.06 take it doesnt have good support
[11:57] <alrex021> a, ok
[11:57] <alrex021> dystopianray: thx for you help
[11:57] <dystopianray> alrex021: it's possible to get it working on dapper, if you compile the driver yoruself or find some third party deb, but with edgy it will j
[11:57] <dystopianray> it will 'just work'
[11:57] <intelikey> alrex021 6.06 is the LTS  what do you mean "<alrex021> a, ok
 6.06 take it doesnt have good support" ^
[11:58] <ruphy> well, ping me if you find one. thanks =)
[11:58] <dystopianray> is anyone running fiesty? does it's libxine have the native wmv decoding? (without the win32 codecs)
[11:59] <alrex021> intelikey: out-of-box installation for my wireless device where is 6.10 does
[11:59] <stdin> dystopianray: #ubuntu+1 for feisty support
[11:59] <dystopianray> i'm not looking for support, just a general question about it
[11:59] <stdin> dystopianray: and probably not
[11:59] <stdin> dystopianray: support and questions then :)
[11:59] <Jucato> dystopianray: no  it still doesn't.
[12:00] <intelikey> alrex021 and for someone elses device 6.10 wont have and 7.04 will   it's not about "good support" it's about the rat race...
[12:00] <dystopianray> Jucato: it doesn't?? but it has libxine 1.1.4
[12:00] <Jucato> and #ubuntu+1 for feisty questions (support or whatnot)
[12:00] <alrex021> intelikey: sorry, I worded that rongly
[12:00] <Jucato> dystopianray: yes. but ever since you needed to install w32codecs separately from libxine
[12:00] <dystopianray> Jucato: what?
[12:01] <dystopianray> Jucato: I'm talking about the native wmv decoding in ffmpeg, not the win32 codecs
[12:01] <SlimG> How can I give one user the ability to run "kdesu kvpnc" without having to enter a password?
[12:01] <dystopianray> SlimG: if kdesu looks at /etc/sudoers then you can use that, edit it with visudo
[12:02] <stdin> SlimG: add them to the admin group and the sudo group. done
[12:02] <SlimG> dystopianray: how do I know if kdesu actually looks at /etc/sudoers
[12:02] <stdin> SlimG: but that's will all commands, so you give them root effectively
[12:02] <intelikey> SlimG don't do it. but.    visudo    adding this line "username-here  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD : ALL"
[12:02] <Jucato> dystopianray: libxine1-ffmpeg: Libxine provides the complete infrastructure for a video/media player. It supports MPEG 1/2 and some AVI and Quicktime videos out of the box, so you can use it to play DVDs, (S)VCDs and most video files out there. It supports network streams, subtitles and even MP3 or Ogg files. It's extensible to your heart's content via plugins for audio and video output, input media, demuxers (stream types), audio/video and subtitle
[12:02] <Jucato> codecs.
[12:03] <intelikey> stdin he said 'no password'   ^
[12:03] <dystopianray> Jucato: those descriptions are always outdated and largely useless
[12:03] <stdin> intelikey: adding to the "sudo" group lets you do it without a password
[12:04] <Jucato> dystopianray: I'm on feisty. but anyway, you could ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:04] <intelikey> ???  </blinks>
[12:04] <intelikey> i'll go read man pages
[12:04] <dystopianray> stdin: that'd be horrible for security, and that rule is not mentioned in /etc/sudoers at all
[12:05] <SlimG> intelikey: your solution grant's the user to run kdesu on other apps than kvpnc, is it possible to restrict it down to only allow kvpnc ?
[12:05] <stdin> dystopianray: I know, I haven't seen it documented either, probably for that reason ;)
[12:06] <dystopianray> SlimG: man sudoers
[12:06] <stdin> SlimG: read 'man sudoers' in konsole, or man:/sudoers in konqueror
[12:06] <intelikey> SlimG yes specify the command in place of the last "ALL"
[12:06] <juan_> buenos dias
[12:06] <dystopianray> where can I globally set EDITOR, I wnat vim instead of nano
[12:07] <SlimG> intelikey: thanks, now I can run the command with sudo, but not kdesu
[12:07] <stdin> dystopianray: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[12:07] <MetaBookfoziS> hi all, has anybody working RalinkRT61 wireless card?
[12:07] <MetaBookfoziS> i get errors during "make all"
[12:08] <SlimG> Seems like kdesu doesn't read /etc/sudoers
[12:08] <MetaBookfoziS> please check this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10749/ have anybody idea, what does it means and how can is solve this?
[12:09] <stdin> SlimG: ask the guys in #kubuntu-devel, they should know if it read it or not
[12:10] <SlimG> stdin: thanks, will do
[12:10] <dystopianray> stdin: thanks, where can I find out about everything that can be configured through update-alternatives?
[12:11] <stdin> MetaBookfoziS: the module rt61 is already in the kernel
[12:11] <MetaBookfoziS> that is the problem?
[12:11] <MetaBookfoziS> yes thats possible true
[12:11] <MetaBookfoziS> but the howto wont says, i must unload that, that is in later steps...
[12:11] <MetaBookfoziS> but ok i try
[12:11] <intelikey> SlimG removing  ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful   might make it reread it    i'm not sure.
[12:12] <stdin> dystopianray: look in /etc/alternatives/
[12:12] <dystopianray> stdin: thanks
[12:13] <me-> does anyone know how to execute "/sbin/modprobe -a nvidia" before kdm starts?
[12:13] <intelikey> stdin do you happen to know why being in sudo group would have that affect ?    i'm not seeing anything that should cause that to ignore authentication ?
[12:14] <MetaBookfoziS> stdin > no, i haven't got laoded rt61 module
[12:14] <neonlinux> hey all, having problems seeing hdd temp.. i have smartmon tools and hddtemp installed.. using feisty. i can see it under dapper. any ideas?
[12:14] <MetaBookfoziS> it isn't in lsmod
[12:14] <me-> sry "/sbin/modprobe -r nvidia" i mean
[12:14] <dystopianray> me-: X will modprobe nvidia for you if you use that driver
[12:14] <intelikey> -r ^
[12:14] <me-> dystopianray: but it doesnt by me...
[12:15] <stdin> intelikey: nope, I just know that when a user (or group the user is in) is in /etc/sudoers and they are in the sudo group, then a password isn't asked for
[12:16] <intelikey> that makes root jr. worse than i thought...
[12:16] <dystopianray> me-: so X doesn't work? what does /var/log/X.0.log say?
[12:16] <intelikey> and i thought...
[12:17] <dystopianray> intelikey: that's really stupid
[12:17] <dystopianray> me-: did you install nvidia-glx ?
[12:17] <intelikey> dystopianray not on a nosuid system  heh.
[12:19] <me-> dystopianray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10752/
[12:19] <me-> dystopianray: nope ive installed the original form the nvidia website
[12:20] <dystopianray> me-: hrrm are you sure you installed it correctly?
[12:20] <dystopianray> how can I replace that kmplayer browser plugin with kaffeine?
[12:21] <me-> dystopianray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10754/
[12:21] <me-> dystopianray: and yes i am... all worked perfectly
[12:21] <dystopianray> me-: it works?
[12:22] <me-> dystopianray: yes but after every restart i got only the console.. and i have to reinstall the driver
[12:22] <dystopianray> me-: add it to /etc/modules
[12:22] <bentob0x> hi, I'm a Linux n00b, I'd like to have an icon on my desktop that when I click on it, it does a sudo mount of a smb network drive (using a credential files like in fstab) and gives me a message on success or failure.  How do I do that?
[12:22] <yacoob> Is there any way to automate launching ssh- and pgp- agents on login?
[12:24] <stdin> yacoob: add the commands to ~/.bashrc
[12:24] <neonlinux> hey all, having problems seeing hdd temp.. i have smartmon tools and hddtemp installed.. using feisty. i can see it under dapper. any ideas?
[12:24] <dystopianray> neonlinux: does smartmontools work?
[12:25] <stdin> neonlinux: feisty support/questions in #ubuntu+1 please
[12:25] <yacoob> stdin, not good solution. This will launch only when I launch up a shell, and of course the prompts will be in term. I'm thinking about kde solution :)
[12:25] <yacoob> (I have console solution that works :)
[12:26] <dystopianray> yacoob: ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:26] <neonlinux> stdin: sry dystopianray: dont know what you mean by work.. it starts as far a i can tell
[12:27] <dystopianray> neonlinux: sudo smartctl -A /dev/blah
[12:27] <yacoob> dystopianray, that's a good idea, but I'd need graphical versions of those utilities to collect the keyphrases... :)
[12:27] <stdin> yacoob: what do you think kde runs in, you have to load a shell as you user, or put a script in ~/.kde/autostart
[12:27] <yacoob> stdin, look at the output of pstree. There's no shell untill you launch some terminal.
[12:28] <yacoob> (Well - there is, at the very begining, but it gets execed)
[12:28] <dystopianray> how can I use kaffeine instead of kmplayer for web browser video? kmplayer is crap
[12:29] <neonlinux> dystopianray: the command just tells me where the home page is :(
[12:29] <dystopianray> neonlinux: it should say more than that
[12:29] <dystopianray> neonlinux: at least an error message
[12:30] <dystopianray> neonlinux: you did change /dev/blah to your actual device didn't you?
[12:30] <magicmike_> Hello. Problem getting cd roms to show and work. Using Dapper Fstab pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10755/ Thanks for the help.
[12:31] <neonlinux> dystopianray: yeah.. it printed all the details in dapper.. yep.. shanged it to /dev/sda (its a sata hdd)..
[12:31] <neonlinux> *changed
[12:31] <matteo> someone canhelp me about a problem with my printer?
[12:31] <dystopianray> neonlinux: what ata controller do you have?
[12:31] <neonlinux> umm. yeah... the one in the laptop.. dry.. how do i find out?
[12:31] <neonlinux> sry
[12:32] <dystopianray> neonlinux: lspci
[12:32] <stdin> magicmike_: any reason you have hdc and hdd mounting to /media/cdrom0 ?
[12:33] <magicmike_> Not really. Probably because I don't understand what I'm doing. LOL
[12:33] <yacoob> oh, btw. The flashplugin in mozilla fails to give any audio while amarok is playing. How to solve this problem? :)
[12:33] <neonlinux> dystopianray: intel 82801gbm/ghm
[12:33] <stdin> magicmike_: that's probably why it's not working
[12:33] <kgx> i've set up samba through kde control panel and windows can see it and comes up with the login prompt, but i can't login :( i can this in my samba error log: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:34] <magicmike_> Okay, I'll kill the hdc and hdd and see what comes up. Thanks.
[12:34] <dystopianray> neonlinux: ich6?
[12:34] <kgx> oops, this error:
[12:34] <kgx> [2007/03/18 00:29:57, 0]  lib/util_sock.c:send_smb(765)
[12:34] <kgx>   Error writing 4 bytes to client. -1. (Connection reset by peer)
[12:34] <kgx> anyone know what could be wrong?
[12:34] <neonlinux> dystopianray: ich7
[12:34] <dystopianray> neonlinux: hrrm, i'm not sure, I have ich6 hardware on my laptop and it works fine
[12:34] <stdin> yacoob: try having, FIREFOX_DSP set to artsdsp in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[12:35] <stdin> magicmike_: just make /media/cdrom1 and change one of the lines to it
[12:35] <dystopianray> neonlinux: are you using the ahci driver with it?
[12:35] <neonlinux> dystopianray: yeah.... i dont understand it... dapper worked fine... i missed out on edgy cause of a few quirks.. :(
[12:35] <neonlinux> dystopianray: just the one that feisty installs and uses
[12:36] <magicmike_> stdin:Will do. I'll let you know.
[12:36] <magicmike_> Thanks.
[12:36] <dystopianray> neonlinux: try filing a bug, it must be a kernel regression
[12:37] <neonlinux> dystopianray: ok
[12:37] <neonlinux> dystopianray: thanks :)
[12:37] <dystopianray> neonlinux: if possible try another livecd with a kernel version that is the same as fiesty or inbetween fesity and edgy and see if you can duplicate the issue
[12:38] <neonlinux> dystopianray: ok... should have thought of that i guess.. although i wasnt sure if it was a kernel thing or program.. or just me
[12:39] <dystopianray> neonlinux: well I imagine it's a kernel thing
[12:39] <dystopianray> neonlinux: hddtempt and smartctl aren't working
[12:39] <yacoob> stdin, that worked, thanks.
[12:39] <yacoob> Another thing is there's a lag between video and audio :|
[12:39] <yacoob> but I think that's the problem with the plugin itself :|
[12:39] <dystopianray> excellent, I worked out how to get kde to prefer kaffeine over kmplayer
[12:40] <neonlinux> dystopianray: almost konsidering going back to dapper for a bit
[12:40] <dystopianray> neonlinux: file a bug report first
[12:40] <neonlinux> dystopianray: ok.. registering now
[12:40] <dystopianray> neonlinux: or see if anyone else has ich7 hardware and can duplicate your problem
[12:41] <neonlinux> ill search the bug reports first
[12:41] <neonlinux> if no one else has had the rob ill file one
[12:42] <neonlinux> lol, now if i could only get xgl+beryl workin on my ati gfx card lol joking... (dnt worry.. im not going to ask any more problems tonight)
[12:49] <weatherman> hi, does kubuntu feisty have new artwork already?
[12:49] <stdin> weatherman: yes, some. and best place to ask is #kubuntu-devel
[12:49] <flake> does ubuntu support WPA as in wireless security?
[12:49] <emacla> What's the default root password in kubuntu?
[12:50] <stdin> !sudo | emacla
[12:50] <ubotu> emacla: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:50] <stdin> flake: yes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu
[12:52] <flake> ty
[12:52] <pollyo> emacka: I do not recall it having a default root password.
[12:53] <emacla> How do i do the "line" sign.
[12:53] <emacla> The one looking like I
[12:53] <pollyo> emacka: I think I had to do "sudo passwd"  to create a password.
[12:53] <stdin> emacla: depends on your keyboard, but on mine it's shift+\
[12:54] <stdin> pollyo: why did you need to?
[12:54] <emacla> Ok, thanks. Works now.
[12:54] <pollyo> stdin: Why did I need to what?
[12:54] <stdin> pollyo: to make a root pass?
[12:55] <pollyo> stdin: Is there a time when you wouldn't want one?
[12:56] <stdin> pollyo: why would you need to enable root, sudo dose everything root can
[12:56] <dystopianray> pollyo: sudo su to get a root shell
[12:56] <pollyo> stdin: When you use sudo does it ask for a password?
[12:57] <stdin> dystopianray: sudo -i too
[12:57] <yacoob> for cases of troubleshooting, like booting your system in single user mode
[12:57] <stdin> pollyo: and?
[12:57] <dystopianray> pollyo: it asks for your user password
[12:57] <yacoob> (but you can always do init=/bin/sh :)
[12:57] <stdin> pollyo: only for the 1st command
[12:58] <stdin> pollyo: and you can use, sudo -i, to get a root shell, only need to put a password in once
[12:58] <pollyo> stdin: I see.
[12:58] <pollyo> stdin: I didn't realize that.
[12:58] <pollyo> stdin: I'm just learning,
[12:59] <pollyo> stdin: So I didn't have to setup a password for root?
[12:59] <pollyo> stdin: sudo would have just asked to verify my User password?
[01:00] <stdin> pollyo: yeah
[01:00] <pollyo> stdin: Ok.
[01:01] <dystopianray> pollyo: it tells you whenever you open a terminal until you use sudo for the first time
[01:01] <baconvanhood> could anybody tell me how to set a profile in konqueror to be the standard profile?
[01:01] <pollyo> dystopianray: I'll have to pay more attention. <Grin>
[01:02] <pollyo> I'm getting things worked out on this machine.  I hope to install the full release of feisty on my main computer soon enough.
[01:03] <dystopianray> pollyo: you only have a partial release now?
[01:03] <pollyo> I just wonder if I'll be able to get it to install on my Dell E510 with an ATI card.
[01:03] <dystopianray> pollyo: why wouldn't you be able to?
[01:03] <pollyo> dystopianray: Is it out officially?
[01:03] <dystopianray> pollyo: oh you mean yo'ure waiting for the feisty final
[01:04] <pollyo> dystopianray: I can not find window or something like that.  I have a few boot options someone suggested I try.
[01:04] <pollyo> dystopianray: Yes.. Before I install it on the other machine.
[01:04] <dystopianray> you'll need a more specific error message to get any help
[01:05] <pollyo> dystopianray: Ok
[01:05] <unclemike> ? there is many different distro's out there...what was the 1st distro made
[01:06] <pollyo> ubclemike: Linux?
[01:07] <yacoob> SLS i think.
[01:08] <unclemike> pollyo, yes
[01:09] <yacoob> unclemike, if you want details, google for linux timeline, there was a nice graph of distributions
[01:09] <unclemike> ok
[01:09] <kgx> does anyone know how i can share a ntfs partition via samba? \
[01:09] <dhaval> hmm, is there some way i can shift from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[01:10] <dystopianray> kgx: configure samba to share a directory which that the nfs partition is mounted on
[01:10] <dystopianray> dhaval: I think it's something like sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:10] <dhaval> dystopianray: thanks!
[01:10] <dystopianray> dhaval: but that doesn't remove the kubuntu programs
[01:10] <dhaval> i don't want to lose them.. for some reason, installing gnome did not help much :(
[01:10] <dhaval> rather gdm
[01:10] <pollyo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
[01:11] <pollyo> That discussess some early distros.
[01:11] <spooky_d> hello....
[01:11] <spooky_d> help needed... Just installed kubuntu edgy
[01:11] <dhaval> dystopianray: seems to work! thanks for it
[01:11] <spooky_d> and I have some problem
[01:11] <spooky_d> s
[01:11] <kgx> dystopianray: i tried that but i cant seem to connect. windows says its inaccessible (although it can see it)
[01:11] <kgx> i get this error in the logs:
[01:11] <kgx> [2007/03/18 01:04:17, 0]  smbd/service.c:set_current_service(49)
[01:11] <kgx>   chdir (/mnt/windows-k/) failed
[01:11] <pollyo> kgx: On the same machine?
[01:12] <spooky_d> it seems that the console (in text mode) is not well sized
[01:12] <spooky_d> the last 4 lines are missing
[01:12] <kgx> yeah the ntfs is on my  linux machine
[01:12] <kgx>  chdir (/mnt/windows-k/) failed
[01:13] <spooky_d> also, I installed the nvidia-glx
[01:13] <spooky_d> ran nvidia-xconfig
[01:13] <pollyo> kgx: I did "kdesu konqueror media:/"
[01:13] <spooky_d> but it seems that the kernel module is not loaded.
[01:14] <pollyo> kgx: In a shell and was able to get to my ntfs
[01:16] <blackflag> !screen
[01:16] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[01:18] <blackflag> !screen
[01:18] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[01:18] <pollyo> BBL
[01:27] <acemo> if i have alot of ports blocked and cannot use passive mode for my ftp, wich ftp client should i use?
[01:27] <dystopianray> acemo: why cna't you use passive mode?
[01:28] <acemo> because the only open ports here are 21(ftp), 22(ssh) and 80(http)
[01:28] <dystopianray> acemo: you don't need any open ports for passive ftp
[01:29] <acemo> getting this message in the log of kftpgrabber
[01:29] <acemo> [13:23:54]  *** Establishing data connection with 86.87.235.204:8852...
[01:30] <Sayers> Should I upgrade to Feisty?
[01:30] <dystopianray> Sayers: do you have any specific need to?
[01:31] <Sayers> Does it have any neat features?
[01:31] <acemo> nope
[01:32] <Sayers> Then nope
[01:32] <KrAmMeR> its just better driver support right?
[01:32] <Lynoure> Sayers: What's your motivation for wanting to?
[01:32] <Sayers> That it doesnt take to terribly long and might as well
[01:32] <Lynoure> Sayers: I like it but unless you want to run non-released distro and know what it means, I'd recmommend against it
[01:33] <rob_> anyone know how ot get back the menubar in kopete? i hidden it and cant get it to show again...
[01:33] <Sayers> Lynoure: So it's still in testing I assume.
[01:34] <acemo> Sayers: yes its still in testing
[01:35] <spooky> what repository do I have to enable to have msttcorefonts?
[01:35] <spooky> I have 6.10 Edgy
[01:36] <|toketin|> hi
[01:36] <|toketin|> sorry but now when i start
[01:36] <dystopianray> spooky: probably multiverse
[01:36] <|toketin|> kubuntu
[01:36] <spooky> I have enabled all the repositories except for the local cdrom storage
[01:36] <|toketin|> it gives me this error: fsck.ext3 unable to resolve UUID=...
[01:37] <|toketin|> how can i resolve?
[01:37] <dystopianray> spooky_d: did you run apt-get update?
[01:37] <rob_> do you have the extra repositories in your list?
[01:37] <spooky_d> sudo aptitude update
[01:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[01:37] <rob_> lo
[01:37] <Sayers> due to licensing and legal restrictions <- on page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs , does that mean it's illegal, or they just dont want to risk it?
[01:37] <spooky_d> rob_: I don't know
[01:38] <spooky_d> it's the default installation
[01:38] <spooky_d> how do I check?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> Sayers, ...both
[01:38] <mdtyke> Hey.. silly question, but how can I get it so that I automatically (or with one click) can log in as an admin for Konqueror
[01:38] <rob_> read the unofficial ubuntu edgy eft starter guide
[01:38] <mdtyke> It's just rather annoying having to go to the terminal to be able to paste files to places I want to
[01:39] <Sayers> BlueKaj : How Illegal ?
[01:39] <spooky_d> thanks! :) I was looking for a suitable guide
[01:39] <rob_> open a console and do sudo konqueor then it should run knoqueor in root mode
[01:39] <rob_> spooky u wanna link?
[01:39] <BluesKaj> Copyright laws , the RIAA etc etc
[01:39] <dystopianray> Sayers: the sort of illegal where nobody cares, but is too risky for a large organisation to do
[01:39] <spooky_d> googled it, found it
[01:39] <rob_> kool
[01:40] <mdtyke> I know that rob.. but I dont want to have to open konsole
[01:40] <acemo> Sayers: it is illegal in some countrys, not in all
[01:40] <mdtyke> Im fed up of opening it to sudo everything.. can I not just somehow have in the right click>paste as root, that asks me for my pass
[01:40] <Sayers> acemo:  Pretty much like everything :)
[01:40] <rob_> tyke, not much else you can do mate, its like a safety thing in kubuntu
[01:41] <mdtyke> well I can do it on text files > edit as root
[01:41] <mdtyke> Surely its possible
[01:41] <emacla> Can anyone tell me wich programming/scripting language i should choose if i wants it to be: not so common (like C++, python, ruby) & easy to use and learn.
[01:41] <dystopianray> mdtyke: make a shortcut that runs 'kdesu konqueror'
[01:41] <mdtyke> How do I do that
[01:42] <mdtyke> ohm, nevermind
[01:42] <rob_> ema, i use c++, im doin games rogramming, its great when you get used to it
[01:42] <mdtyke> That would help.. but can I not somehow edit the right clicks
[01:42] <mdtyke> that allow me to Paste as Root
[01:42] <spooky_d> I come from a rpm ground - what's the equivalent of rpm -ql ? (listing the contents of a package?)
[01:42] <dystopianray> spooky_d: dpkg -c blah.deb
[01:43] <acemo> emacla: at my school, we first learn Java and then learn C++ because Java is more easy to learn and knowing Java makes it more easy to learn C++
[01:43] <rob_> lol depends who you ask ema
[01:43] <spooky_d> thanks :P I was looking for a deb executable :P
[01:43] <dystopianray> emacla: learn haskell
[01:43] <rob_> everyone likes their own language
[01:44] <acemo> rob_: dutch is my language and i hate it :(
[01:44] <rob_> but like ace said java is a bit like C++, and both are object orientated
[01:44] <emacla> Ok, but can i use Java to make "desktop apps"?
[01:44] <Sayers> I like java over most languages
[01:44] <Sayers> Yes
[01:44] <dystopianray> emacla: of course, haven't you seen azureus?
[01:44] <emacla> Oh, really?
[01:45] <rob_> yeah
[01:45] <Sayers> Java can do everything C++ can do minus the very techie stuff like directly controling some hard ware
[01:45] <rob_> does kubuntu have a java dev ide?
[01:45] <Sayers> emacia : www.wurmonline.com
[01:45] <dystopianray> rob_: it should have eclipse
[01:45] <emacla> Shit, i honestly thought that you only could use Java for webstuff.
[01:45] <spooky_d> rob_: probably eclipse?
[01:45] <rob_> yeah it has eclipse
[01:45] <dystopianray> emacla: azureus is an example of a java desktop app
[01:45] <mdtyke> rob_, I wish it had one like Textpad
[01:46] <rob_> i only tried the IDE's with c++
[01:46] <acemo> ide's are so bloatead :(
[01:46] <mdtyke> I've been trying for AGES to get KDevelop to work like Geany (a Gnome textpad) works
[01:46] <Kubuntero> hi
[01:46] <mdtyke> but it just wont work
[01:46] <rob_> visual studio is god of all
[01:46] <Sayers> acemo: if you have the computer it's worth it
[01:46] <acemo> i like Kate, just too bad theres no plugin for java, like the c++ plugin for kate
[01:46] <emacla> Any tips about wich editor i should test?
[01:46] <dystopianray> emacla: vim
[01:46] <mdtyke> Yea.. I dont know why there isn't a java plugin... its irritating
[01:46] <emacla> Vim, ok. Is eclipse good?
[01:46] <acemo> Sayers: its not the computer that cant handle it, i just dont like it myself
[01:46] <rob_> tbh i like kate and c++
[01:46] <mdtyke> Eclipse is bloated
[01:47] <Sayers> I like it
[01:47] <acemo> rob_ i like kate and c++ too, but at school i wont "learn" c++ till next year, so im stuck with java for now
[01:47] <dystopianray> I'm learning scheme at uni
[01:47] <Sayers> java is great, just not the stuff they teach
[01:47] <Sayers> Teach yourself it, it goes by a lot faster
[01:48] <rob_> tbh i think C# will take over
[01:48] <acemo> Sayers: i know.. im just at school to get a diploma ^_^
[01:48] <dystopianray> when I learnt java, half the class failed the first semester, they'd only gotten up to for loops
[01:48] <Sayers> Wow lmao
[01:48] <Sayers> Dumbasses
[01:48] <shadowhywind> Hay all, still having issues with my nvidia drivers, i found out of i connect a external monitor everything works right, but if it just my laptop alone, everything breaks.. any ideas?
[01:48] <acemo> dystopianray: thats nice, bit like oure first Java test
[01:48] <Sayers> while ( you < me ) { blah }
[01:49] <emacla> So i can make my Javacode into an executable file?
[01:49] <gabo> hello al all
[01:49] <rob_> yes with a compiler ema
[01:49] <Sayers> emacla:  it has its own format , Java Web Start is an example
[01:49] <dystopianray> emacla: gcj can pump out native executables, otherwise you just use a shell script that calls java to start your app
[01:49] <gabo> can anybody tell how to intall k3b under kubuntu  i tried, but there seems to be dependencies problems
[01:49] <dystopianray> gabo: it comes by default
[01:49] <rob_> the nice thing about java is it can also be an applet, or a phone app etc.
[01:49] <Sayers> emacla: look into www.wurmonline.com its a game in java that has terraformable land and many features other games have not done
[01:49] <emacla> Okay, this might sound odd, nut how do i install an .bin file?
[01:50] <gabo> upps sorry
[01:50] <gabo> thanks
[01:50] <mdtyke> right click on it, and tick 'executable'
[01:50] <mdtyke> then you can just run it, or ./filename in terminal
[01:50] <dystopianray> emacla: what is it? you probalby just need to chmod +x it and run it
[01:50] <emacla> Ok, thx
[01:50] <emacla> It's the Java runtime thing
[01:51] <dystopianray> emacla: why don't you just install java through apt-get ?
[01:51] <Sayers> Wow man, you really make stuff harder. There is this wiki where pretty much everything is
[01:51] <acemo> dystopianray: whats the diffrence with making a native executable vs using trough the virtual machine?
[01:51] <Sayers> always google or wiki stuff and it saves a lot of time
[01:51] <dystopianray> acemo: the native executable is not portable
[01:51] <emacla> Okay, might be easier and better tht way.
[01:51] <dystopianray> emacla: apt-get install sun-java5-sdk
[01:51] <Sayers> Acemo : Its .1 times slower on a VM , but in theroy java can be faster
[01:51] <dystopianray> emacla: or get java6 from edgy-backports
[01:51] <Sayers> or use the add/remove programs
[01:52] <rob_> anyone in here develop for linux?
[01:52] <Lynoure> !anyone
[01:52] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:52] <Sayers> Like linux its self or programs for it?
[01:52] <rob_> lol true
[01:53] <rob_> programs for it
[01:53] <Sayers> I am working on it
[01:53] <Sayers> Making a very cool game fori t
[01:53] <rob_> i want to make a openGL app that runs in linux
[01:53] <rob_> what do you use?
[01:53] <Sayers> Java
[01:53] <rob_> ah
[01:53] <Sayers> Java with Java3d
[01:53] <rob_> im a C++ boy
[01:54] <Sayers> I'd learn java if I were you , now adays its pretty much as powerful unless your making an OS or somthing weird
[01:54] <davido> hi, could someone tell me what hibernate is?
[01:54] <Sayers> Read the description...
[01:54] <dystopianray> davido: suspend to disk
[01:54] <rob_> i can write colsole stuff, but window type things elude me
[01:54] <emacla> How should i download eclipse?
[01:54] <Sayers> Yeah, rob_ you must be new to programming
[01:55] <davido> really? it is soo fast, it boots like in  2 seconds or so? is that possible nowadays?
[01:55] <emacla> I can't find it in either Synaptic or adept manager.
[01:55] <Sayers> emacla: you have to enable somthing, try using the wiki
[01:55] <rob_> no, not new, i did java but i didnt like it, and c++ is the standard for games
[01:55] <davido> I though it was so fast it would be supend to ram or so
[01:55] <dystopianray> emacla: it's in universe
[01:56] <Sayers> rob_:  its the standard because of javas old rep, I believe java can make great games
[01:56] <dystopianray> davido: well you might have a machine with funky acpi where hibernate is suspend to ram
[01:56] <Sayers> rob_ : you too should check out www.wurmonline.com
[01:56] <JakubS_> Sayers: i tried
[01:56] <rob_> yeah i think java is really powerful, but i prefer c++, its what we use in uni, and its what il be using in the industry
[01:57] <Sayers> JakubS_: What was the problem
[01:57] <JakubS_> it eats 512MB ram immediately and leaves machine to swap like crazy
[01:57] <davido> dystopianray: ok thanks for the info
[01:57] <JakubS_> now i have 1GB ram
[01:57] <mdtyke> Here.. can anyone help me with Linux and my CPU
[01:57] <JakubS_> and it still gives me mayb 3fps
[01:57] <emacla> If i download it from it's website, how do i install it? Just using tar the-eclipse-tar.gz-file-thing /any-dir or is there any special dir it has to be innn?
[01:57] <mdtyke> Its always running at 100% frequency when on battery, so it drains like you wouldn't believe
[01:57] <Sayers> jakubs_: did you set your settings
[01:57] <JakubS_> memory usage or graphics?
[01:58] <dystopianray> emacla: it's in universe!
[01:58] <Sayers> the graphics
[01:58] <Sayers> Set render distance to lowest and that will add like 20 fps
[01:58] <emacla> And what's that supposed to mean......?
[01:58] <dystopianray> emacla: it's available in the ubuntu universe repositry
[01:58] <stdin> !repo | emacla
[01:58] <ubotu> emacla: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:58] <JakubS_> hm, the graphics is not really so great
[01:58] <Sayers> o really...
[01:58] <emacla> Oh, thanks!
[01:59] <rob_> anyone runnin fiesty yet?
[01:59] <JakubS_> i need to try it again so i won't talk shit because i already forgotten something :-)
[01:59] <Thonolan> hello i use edgy and testing beryl my problem is i cant build the cube
[01:59] <JakubS_> rob_: me
[01:59] <rob_> and do you recommend it?
[02:00] <JakubS_> i don't have any problems with it
[02:00] <rob_> cool
[02:00] <rob_> think il try it now
[02:00] <rob_> bbl
[02:00] <omeil> umm how do i change my res in kubuntu?
[02:00] <Thonolan> i see different desktops but not as cube
[02:01] <omeil> things are so small my eyes are burning
[02:01] <dystopianray> omeil: xrandr, krandrtray, system settings -> monitor and display
[02:01] <dystopianray> omeil: it probably didn't auto detect your monitor properly and you need to add some modes to your xorg.conf
[02:01] <dystopianray> omeil: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[02:01] <dystopianray> omeil: run that and select the resolutions you want
[02:02] <omeil> xrandr, krandtray?
[02:02] <dystopianray> omeil: for changing your resolution
[02:02] <BluesKaj> dystopianray, it doesn't work with all resolutions with ATI cards and crt monitors....dunno about LCDs
[02:03] <dystopianray> BluesKaj: what doesn't?
[02:03] <finn> hallo
[02:03] <finn> how do i come to kubuntu.de
[02:03] <omeil> krandrtray worked thanks :)
[02:03] <dystopianray> omeil: krandrtray is one of those apps that kubuntu devs have stupidly left out of the kmenu
[02:04] <BluesKaj> resetting the resolution in X
[02:05] <BluesKaj> !de
[02:05] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:05] <payam> #inehq
[02:05] <payam> #winehq
[02:06] <BluesKaj> payam, type /join #winehq
[02:06] <payam> i did
[02:06] <BluesKaj> in the server
[02:06] <payam> How can i update my fucking Wine?
[02:06] <stdin> !language | payam
[02:06] <ubotu> payam: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:06] <Lynoure> payam: no idea. Maybe buy viagra.
[02:07] <payam> ok :(
[02:07] <dystopianray> payam: you can get wine 0.9.30 from edgy-backports
[02:07] <payam> i know
[02:07] <payam> but i wana update that
[02:07] <dystopianray> payam: there is probalby a third party repositry somewhere with newer wine debs
[02:08] <stdin> all on the help page
[02:08] <tdn> I get this error: [17442246.192000]  [fglrx:drm_vm_close]  *ERROR* map not found -> inconsistent kernel data!!!
[02:08] <stdin> !wine
[02:08] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:08] <tdn> What can be wrong?
[02:08] <spooky_d> I followed the notes on how to install the NVIDIA modules.
[02:08] <spooky_d> but it isn't working
[02:08] <haffe> !Cedega
[02:08] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[02:08] <spooky_d> nothing installs the kernel module.
[02:10] <dystopianray> spooky_d: it comes by default, you just need to installl nvidia-glx and change xorg.conf
[02:12] <BluesKaj> fglrx is an ATI driver
[02:13] <omeil> dystopianray: whats that txt file called that you can modify so it boots up the programs u list iin there?
[02:14] <archangel> what is a good audio editor?
[02:14] <dystopianray> omeil: err.. /etc/rc.local ?
[02:14] <omeil> might be :)
[02:14] <dystopianray> archangel: audacity maybe
[02:14] <stdin> archangel: audacity springs to mind
[02:15] <omeil> yea audacity is the best :) even for M$ systems
[02:15] <Mariux5> any reason why edubuntu doesn't use kde?
[02:15] <Mariux5> kde has got most of the edu apps anyways, and also kiosk mode
[02:15] <dystopianray> Mariux5: little kids don't like kde
[02:16] <Mariux5> administrators don't like little kids f...ing around with all kinds of desktop settings
[02:17] <Mariux5> i've locked down kde so that you can't change anything
[02:20] <dystopianray> Mariux5: the kids will probably outsmart you
[02:20] <Mariux5> i assure you they do not
[02:20] <Mariux5> have you even tried kiosk?
[02:20] <dystopianray> those pesky buggers are smart!
[02:20] <spooky_d> it worked
[02:20] <Kubuntero>  :-[
[02:21] <spooky_d> thanks!
[02:21] <Mariux5> you can remove all redundant menu options. you can completely lock down kicker
[02:21] <dystopianray> you turn away for a second, next thing you know the machine runs amigados!
[02:21] <Mariux5> :)
[02:22] <payam> can I run CAD on Wine?
[02:22] <dystopianray> which cad program?
[02:23] <LjL> payam, winehq has a database of applications that work and ones that don't
[02:23] <LjL> besides, didn't autocad have a linux version, or is it just my imagination?
[02:24] <yacoob> LjL, it doesn't
[02:24] <dystopianray> payam: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=86
[02:24] <KDL974> SAlut tt le monde !
[02:24] <payam> ok. lets see
[02:24] <LjL> ok, my imagination then. still, i think there are some commercial CAD programs that do work on Linux
[02:24] <LjL> the free ones, well...
[02:24] <KDL974> #kubuntu-fr
[02:25] <dystopianray> payam: looks like the newer version don't work, they need .NET
[02:25] <payam> .net?
[02:25] <dystopianray> payam: yeah the .NET framework
[02:25] <payam> How can i install it then?
[02:25] <dystopianray> payam: I don't think .NET works in wine
[02:25] <payam> :(
[02:26] <payam> i need that
[02:26] <payam> i must learn it. i hav examen next week
[02:26] <payam> test
[02:26] <payam> :(
[02:26] <LjL> http://www.varicad.com/
[02:26] <dystopianray> get windows
[02:26] <LjL> this is a commercial CAD that's available for Linux
[02:27] <payam> but on pictures. you can see that Cad has been seccesfully installed
[02:27] <payam> http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?iAppId=86&iVersionId=
[02:29] <bbeck_> Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew how to play mp3s in Juk?  I have three output optins aRTs, gstreamer, and aKode.  They play fine in Amarok, but that's too slow on my box, and uses Xine.  Thanks.
[02:29] <davido> !mp3
[02:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:29] <dystopianray> payam: they are the old versions that don't need .NET
[02:29] <dystopianray> payam: if you only need autocad 2000, then that should work
[02:30] <payam> CAD 2007 is not old
[02:30] <payam> you can see CAD2007 installed there
[02:30] <dystopianray> no you can see a cad2007 splash screen and the first page of the installer
[02:31] <payam> so?
[02:31] <dystopianray> so....unless your exam focuses on the first couple of pages of the autocad2007 installer, then you're out of luck
[02:31] <payam> i gana install CAD 2005
[02:31] <[BTF] Chm0d> ok since everyone in #ubuntu completely ignores to even acknowledge me I am hoping I can find someone in here that could help me with fstab
[02:31] <payam> does it workd?=
[02:31] <payam> :(
[02:32] <dystopianray> payam: try it and then you can tell me
[02:32] <dystopianray> payam: run windows in qemu or vmware and use autocad in it
[02:32] <payam> how?
[02:32] <payam> Im a bigginer
[02:33] <dystopianray> !vmware
[02:33] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[02:33] <pollyo> Hello
[02:34] <dystopianray> !windows
[02:34] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:34] <pollyo> I was looking at ksambaplugin and it appears that it will not work because of kdenetwork-filesharing.
[02:35] <dystopianray> pollyo: what is ksambaplugin? the samba configuration thing?
[02:35] <pollyo> KSambaPlugin is a KDE 3 plugin for configuring a SAMBA server.
[02:36] <pollyo> I'm thinking my filesharing isn't setup correctly anyway.
[02:37] <pollyo> When I go into Sharing from the system settings and hit admin mode it doesn't show anything in the window.
[02:37] <KrAmMeR> whats the difference between AIGLX and XGL?
[02:37] <dystopianray> KrAmMeR: aiglx allows accelerated indirect rendering, and xgl requires a second X server
[02:37] <dystopianray> KrAmMeR: aiglx is always preferred, unless you have crap (ati) hardware
[02:38] <KrAmMeR> haha damit...i have an ati radeon x700
[02:39] <KrAmMeR> i wanted to try beryl
[02:39] <dystopianray> beryl shoudl work with xgl
[02:39] <KrAmMeR> will it be crappy though?
[02:40] <dystopianray> no
[02:40] <KrAmMeR> ok..i know if it crashes it falls back to kde's window manager
[02:42] <amayera> hi
[02:42] <dystopianray> KrAmMeR: i think you're best off just downloading a livecd that has beryl and xgl
[02:42] <amayera> is anybody else here experiencing problems with the latest LaTeX version from feisty?
[02:44] <pollyo> amayera: Someone suggested that I go to ubuntu-1 for feisty help.
[02:44] <Sayers> Is there a super secure program that can store all my passwords
[02:44] <pollyo> amayera: You might want to give them a try.
[02:44] <amayera> thx
[02:44] <KrAmMeR> kubuntu comes preinstalled with beryl?
[02:44] <pollyo> Sayers: Doesn KDE wallet do something like that?
[02:44] <LjL> KrAmMeR: no
[02:45] <Sayers> pollyo : not sure I dont like KDE
[02:45] <LjL> #ubuntu+1 that is
[02:45] <pollyo> Sayers: Are you using kubuntu?
[02:45] <Sayers> yes but I am running Gnome
[02:45] <pollyo> Sayers: Isn't Ubuntu Gnome based?
[02:46] <Sayers> yes...
[02:46] <pollyo> Sayers: So you got Kubuntu and switched it to Gnome rather then just getting Ubuntu?
[02:46] <LjL> not so absurd, lots of people do that
[02:46] <LjL> well, most probably do the *opposite* thing, but still
[02:46] <pollyo> LjL: Why is that?  I'm new...
[02:47] <dystopianray> doesn't gnome have a secure keychain thing?
[02:47] <LjL> pollyo, because if you have an Ubuntu CD, but want KDE, you'll probably just use the Ubuntu CD you have, and vice versa
[02:47] <Jonty> how do I get an update manager running in the background?
[02:47] <pollyo> LjL: Good point.
[02:47] <LjL> even if you burned the CD yourself, often people don't know *in advance* which desktop they'll like best
[02:48] <LjL> Jonty, don't know how you *get* it running, but it does run by default
[02:49] <pollyo> I was attempting to install a package "ksambaplugin" and got the following error: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kcmsambaconf.png', which is also in package kdenetwork-filesharing
[02:49] <Jonty> LjL: Not for me (anymore?)
[02:49] <pollyo> Is it made because the png file is used in both packages or because the file is locked somehow?
[02:52] <rolando> hola
[02:53] <rolando> what package am i supposed to install to get the man for fork?
[02:53] <dystopianray> rolando: probably glibc-doc or something
[02:54] <lerot> salut tout le monde
[02:54] <rolando> thanx, but that doesnt seem to do it
[02:54] <LjL> Jonty: i can't find where it's started... the program is adept_notifier anyway, and the package is adept-notifier, make sure it's installed, and maybe apt-get --reinstall install it just to make sure
[02:54] <LjL> !fr | lerot
[02:54] <ubotu> lerot: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:55] <LjL> Jonty: ah, right, it's started periodically by cron as instructed in the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update
[02:55] <LjL> make sure you do have that file
[02:56] <LjL> err, not cron, but anyway
[02:56] <fdoving> rolando: you mean 'manpages-dev' ?
[02:56] <LjL> oh nevermind
[02:56] <rolando> fdoving: ill try that one
[02:57] <rolando> yeah, thanx i was trying with man-pages but nothing came
[02:57] <rolando> muchas gracias
[02:58] <frojnd> hello guys
[02:58] <fdoving> LjL: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic-update doesn't start the adept_notifier program. it just updates the packages with apt-get as per /etc/cron.daily/apt
[02:58] <frojnd> how can I kill al the sound devices
[02:58] <frojnd> and than restart it
[02:58] <frojnd> or tun it
[03:01] <frojnd> couse my computer freezes when I swith speakers with hadphones..
[03:01] <frojnd> oh it freezes with skype
[03:01] <frojnd> when I wanna call someone
[03:09] <Ind[y] > Hello. How can I write a kernel image file, to my USB, sector-by-sector (to be able to boot from USB)?
[03:12] <LjL> Ind[y] , the Linux kernel alone is totally unable to boot
[03:12] <LjL> you need a bootloader, such as GRUB or Syslinux or something, on the USB thingie
[03:13] <Sayers> Are there any email readers that also have a built in calender besides kontact
[03:13] <Ind[y] > I don't talk about the Linux kernel.
[03:14] <LjL> Ind[y] : well you said "kernel image", we're in a linux channel, so what the heck are you talking about?
[03:14] <Ind[y] > I talk about a usb image (not necessary "Linux" kernel)
[03:14] <LjL> usb image?
[03:15] <LjL> look, a "kernel image" is a kernel. kernels, generally (whether they're Linux or not), are unable to boot, and rely on a *bootloader* for that
[03:15] <LjL> examples of bootloaders are LILO, GRUB, SysLinux, IsoLinux, the NTLDR....
[03:15] <jhutchins> Wow, two in a row looking to build a bootable USB dev.
[03:16] <jhutchins> http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+usb+boot
[03:17] <LjL> if your BIOS supports the USB-HDD booting protocol (not sure that's its correct name), it'll boot just like any normal hard drive
[03:17] <LjL> so there should be no problem just partitioning and installing GRUB
[03:17] <LjL> if it uses the USB-FDD protocol or something else, i'm not sure GRUB will work, at least in a default configuration, so you might want to look at Isolinux or something, and perhaps at how distributions like Puppy Linux for instance do it
[03:18] <pollyo> Hello
[03:18] <jhutchins> See above.
[03:18] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with the file sharing system in kubuntu?
[03:19] <soulrider> pollyo: what filesharing system ?
[03:20] <pollyo> soulrider: It is under system settings network & connectivity.
[03:21] <soulrider> i dont see network and connectivity =/
[03:21] <soulrider> oh wait
[03:21] <soulrider> yes i di.... ~.~
[03:21] <soulrider> im not sure pollyoit probably has something to do with Samba
[03:22] <soulrider> well, not probably, it doe have something to do with it
[03:22] <pollyo> soulrider: Under network and connectivity click sharing.
[03:23] <pollyo> soulrider: Then The first section if "File Sharing"
[03:23] <pollyo> soulrider: I can not edit anything under that section.
[03:23] <soulrider> pollyo: its related to samba, not file sharing as in peer2peer
[03:23] <pollyo> soulrider: Is that active on your system?
[03:23] <soulrider> did you clickt he administrator button ?
[03:23] <pollyo> soulrider: I think it has something to do with samba.. It isn't p2p.
[03:23] <pollyo> soulrider: Yes.
[03:24] <dystopianray> pollyo: you just want to share files with another computer, like windows' network neighbourhood sort of thing?
[03:24] <pollyo> soulrider: I clicked admin and it still didn't appear to work.
[03:24] <AaronCampbell> I'm looking to move my desktop to kubuntu.  Last time I tried (6-8 month ago), I had problems getting my main monitor to display at the right resolution (1680x1050), and I couldn't get my second monitor to be anything but a clone of the first.  I've been told this was because I have an ATI video card
[03:24] <pollyo> dystopianray: Yes.
[03:24] <soulrider> yeah, for me neither, there must be a bug in the GUI or osmething
[03:24] <dystopianray> pollyo: if you have been using sudo, you must run sudo -k before using any administrator mode buttons in system settings
[03:24] <AaronCampbell> What kind of card can I buy that will work on Kubuntu, support 2 monitors, and that kind of resolution?
[03:25] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: setting the resolution is rather easy
[03:25] <soulrider> im not sure aobut the screens, i have done it but with an nvidia card
[03:25] <dystopianray> AaronCampbell: always go with nvidia, ati are crap on linux
[03:25] <soulrider> it can be done with ATI but it might be a bit different
[03:25] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: i suggest you give it a go, nothing to lose!
[03:26] <AaronCampbell> I have plenty to lose.  I'm looking to migrate my main system, and I'm a freelance programmer, so downtime is ROUGH
[03:26] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: i suggest you first try it with your card before buying another one!
[03:26] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: if youre gonna buy another card i suggest an NVidia card, i got a Geforce 6600
[03:26] <AaronCampbell> I'd rather spend a couple hundred, and KNOW it's going to work, and work quickly
[03:27] <AaronCampbell> ok, I'll check into that
[03:28] <soulrider> AaronCampbell: ive done wit with my computer with that card
[03:28] <pollyo> BB:
[03:28] <pollyo> BBL
[03:28] <soulrider> i would still try to do it with the card you have now
[03:32] <RocketRay> Happy Saturday Everyone
[03:32] <dystopianray> saturday? it's sunday
[03:33] <RocketRay> I was wondering if someone could help me with an install issue
[03:33] <RocketRay> it's Saturday here
[03:33] <RocketRay> 12" of fresh snow on the ground and it was 70 3 days ago
[03:34] <RocketRay> the question is :  is there a way to bypass the grub system loader with LiLo?
[03:35] <dystopianray> why do you want to use lilo?
[03:35] <soulrider> RocketRay: maybe if you uninstall grub and install lilo
[03:35] <soulrider> but grubs is better and newer than lilo
[03:35] <RocketRay> because I have a multi boot loader already and it will not work with Grub as they both want total control
[03:35] <dystopianray> what is better than grub?
[03:36] <RocketRay> XOSL
[03:36] <dystopianray> it can't be that great if it can't even boot linux
[03:36] <RocketRay> but it won't load any linux without lilo
[03:36] <dystopianray> why?
[03:36] <dystopianray> just use grub, it can boot anything
[03:36] <RocketRay> I have no idea and never really looked into it
[03:37] <RocketRay> so I would have to install grub and lilo
[03:37] <RocketRay> bummer
[03:37] <dystopianray> or just grub
[03:38] <RocketRay> but grub resides in the boot partition of the os
[03:38] <RocketRay> and XOSL resides in it;'s own
[03:38] <dystopianray> get rid of xosl
[03:38] <RocketRay> so I have control of my master boot record
[03:41] <RocketRay> so is there a different way to do the initial install without running the live first?
[03:41] <RocketRay> my Ubuntu has 2 disks
[03:41] <RocketRay> one for live and one for install
[03:41] <fdoving> RocketRay: if you have the alternate cd, yes.
[03:41] <fdoving> use the install one.
[03:41] <RocketRay> where can I get the install kubuntu?
[03:42] <RocketRay> from the website?
[03:42] <dystopianray> RocketRay: newer versions are only 1 cd
[03:42] <the_hammer> what flash do i need for x-mplayer2?
[03:42] <dystopianray> flash?
[03:42] <the_hammer> i get missing x-mplayer2 when trying to play a video in my browser
[03:42] <RocketRay> so I need the older version to do it the way I prefere
[03:42] <RocketRay> very well
[03:42] <RocketRay> thanks
[03:42] <dystopianray> what way do you prefer?
[03:43] <RocketRay> I muliti boot
[03:43] <RocketRay> many Os's
[03:43] <RocketRay> and Lilo
[03:43] <RocketRay> works well
[03:43] <dystopianray> just use grub
[03:43] <RocketRay> I would rather not
[03:43] <RocketRay> but thanks
[03:43] <dystopianray> why?
[03:43] <dystopianray> you're intentionally crippling yourself?
[03:43] <RocketRay> because it resides on the boot partition of the os
[03:44] <the_hammer> anyone know what i need to play this video in my browser says i need x-mplayer2?
[03:44] <dystopianray> the_hammer: what format is the video?
[03:44] <RocketRay> VLC works good
[03:44] <RocketRay> for video
[03:45] <RocketRay> stand lone
[03:45] <the_hammer> http://www.evilchili.com/mediaview/7538/CamWithHer_Carmen_Takes_A_Shower not sure what format is
[03:45] <RocketRay> stand alone player
[03:45] <RocketRay> anyway
[03:45] <RocketRay> thanks again
[03:45] <RocketRay> bb L8rzzz
[03:45] <the_hammer> says application/x-mplayer2 required
[03:45] <the_hammer> some kinda plug-in
[03:46] <dystopianray> the_hammer: it's wmv9
[03:46] <the_hammer> what do i need?
[03:47] <dystopianray> you need to either be running feisty or have the win32 codecs installed
[03:47] <the_hammer> ok im running edgy
[03:47] <dec_> can anyone help I am having a problem with bit torrent in ubuntu, nothing ever seems to download even though there are seeds is it something on my end?
[03:47] <the_hammer> where do i get win32 codecs?
[03:48] <dystopianray> dec_: do you have the appropriate ports forwarded to your machine?
[03:48] <dec_> where would i configure or open the ports
[03:48] <dystopianray> the_hammer: it's on the wiki somewhere, look at the restricted codecs part or something
[03:48] <dystopianray> dec_: on your modem/router
[03:48] <dystopianray> dec_: and you'd configure your torrent clien to listen on specific ports
[03:48] <dystopianray> dec_: what client are you using?
[03:49] <dec_> I am using the one that is installed by default not azuerous
[03:49] <dystopianray> ktorrent?
[03:49] <dec_> yes
[03:49] <dystopianray> dec_: turn on DHT in ktorrent, and set it to listen on a port that is not 6881
[03:50] <dystopianray> dec_: and then configure your modem/router to forward that port to your machine
[03:50] <dec_> where do i find the config file in ktorrent
[03:50] <dystopianray> dec_: just do in in ktorrent
[03:50] <dec_> ok
[03:50] <dec_> thanks
[03:51] <dystopianray> in 'downloads' set a random port number other than the default, like 48345 or something
[03:51] <dystopianray> in 'general' enable the DHT option and put that same port number into the dht port box
[03:51] <dystopianray> and then on your modem/router forward that port to your machine
[03:51] <RocketRay> Here is the link for the Stand alone Video player I use in Ubuntu
[03:52] <RocketRay> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[03:52] <RocketRay> take care everyone
[03:53] <bentob0x> it's strange, the NVIDIA X server application has detected my LCD monitor straight away but it's not setup under Monitor & Display
[03:56] <steveire> Hey. I've got a new laptop (It's a few years old) It has a nVidia label on it, but xorg.conf calls it a 'Generic Video Card' lshw calls it a Geforce4. Is something wrong here?
[03:57] <dystopianray> steveire: no it's just ubuntu's X setup thing being dumb
[03:57] <dystopianray> steveire: the identifier is arbitrarily and irrelevant
[03:57] <dystopianray> arbitrary *
[03:58] <the_hammer> not having luck finding a d/l for win32 codecs
[03:58] <dystopianray> the one on the wiki doesn't work?
[03:58] <the_hammer> cant find a d/l
[03:58] <the_hammer> :(
[03:58] <dystopianray> the one on the wiki doesn't work?
[03:59] <Blissex> the_hammer: try a bit harder... There are plenty floating around.
[03:59] <dystopianray> the_hammer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[03:59] <steveire> dystopianray: Ok. It currently uses the vesa driver. Can I use a different driver for better perfomance?
[04:00] <dystopianray> steveire: yes, either nv or nvidia
[04:00] <soulrider> the_hammer: what do you mean ?
[04:00] <soulrider> the_hammer: youre not using adept/apt-get/aptitude to isntall ?
[04:00] <steveire> dystopianray: Any difference between them?
[04:00] <the_hammer> nope
[04:01] <the_hammer> i use synaptic
[04:01] <soulrider> ah
[04:01] <the_hammer> adept is useless
[04:01] <dystopianray> steveire: nv doesn't do 3d acceleration, nvidia is the 3d capable driver direct form nVidia
[04:01] <soulrider> i thought you didnt use repos at all
[04:01] <soulrider> the_hammer: open a console and type this
[04:01] <soulrider> "sudo aptitude install w32codecs" no " please
[04:02] <dystopianray> w32codecs is not in the repositries
[04:02] <the_hammer> ok
[04:02] <soulrider> dystopianray: it is
[04:02] <soulrider> the_hammer: have you enabled universe and multiverse ?
[04:02] <the_hammer> i thnk so
[04:02] <dystopianray> somerville32_: no it isn't, it's not in univerise or multiverse or anywhere, if you have it, it's from some third party repositry
[04:02] <soulrider> ok, if you have it should download
[04:03] <steveire> Ah right. I've had ATi that JustWorked ootb, so never had to know that stuff.
[04:03] <shevron> hello there
[04:03] <soulrider> !codecs
[04:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:03] <shevron> anyone in here that had a working lcdproc on the G15?
[04:04] <soulrider> the_hammer: if it cant find the package, ill send ti to you, i downloaded it last night
[04:04] <dystopianray> soulrider: I already gave him a link
[04:04] <soulrider> if its not too big that is
[04:04] <soulrider> alright then
[04:04] <soulrider> im off to play some games, goodbye!
[04:04] <dystopianray> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20061022-0.0_i386.deb
[04:04] <dystopianray> it's on the wiki page!
[04:05] <the_hammer> aptitude getting this now
[04:05] <steveire> Is there any extra utilities I can get to monitor my system hardware, like heat etc? My last laptop died from heat.
[04:05] <the_hammer> and followed info on the link appears to installed
[04:06] <dystopianray> steveire: acpi
[04:06] <dystopianray> steveire: any system monitor should be able to monitor acpi info on temperature and what not
[04:07] <killer_> I cannot find perl-DBI in synaptic, am I missing repositories??
[04:09] <the_hammer> dam it im sudo su and cant open kate
[04:09] <steveire> I've got acpi already. How do I use it?
[04:09] <the_hammer> need this deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[04:09] <the_hammer> on sources
[04:09] <bentob0x> how can I actually see the driver my video card is using atm?
[04:10] <Blissex> bentob0x: not so easy actually.
[04:10] <Blissex> bentob0x: try 'lsmod', 'xdpyinfo' for example.
[04:10] <bentob0x> yes in my xorg.conf file there are a few things all roughly the same in there
[04:10] <Blissex> bentob0x: and look at '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[04:11] <Blissex> bentob0x: the latter tells you the *X* driver, not necessarily the matching *kernel* driver.
[04:11] <the_hammer> ahh found a solution
[04:12] <bentob0x> k the monitor is fubar also
[04:12] <the_hammer> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/12/04/libdvdcss2-and-w32codecs-for-ubuntu/
[04:12] <bentob0x> brb, have to pickup my gf from work
[04:15] <the_hammer> now it times out
[04:15] <the_hammer> dam it
[04:15] <the_hammer> 4 searches refer to this page http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/12/04/libdvdcss2-and-w32codecs-for-ubuntu/
[04:16] <sgomes> hey everyone, a question: will there be an upgrade path to the feisty fawn final from the test releases?
[04:17] <fdoving> sgomes: from the feisty herds to final?
[04:17] <sgomes> fdoving: yep
[04:17] <fdoving> sgomes: yes, just install the regular updates that adept_notifier notifies your about, and you'll automatically be up2date when the time comes.
[04:18] <sgomes> fdoving: excellent, thanks for the help :)
[04:18] <fdoving> sgomes: you're welcome :)
[04:19] <wsjunior> sup guys i got a problem here.. i would like to use kerry (beagle qt ui) but everytime i log in the ugly gtk beagle ui is started as well, how could i uninstall it without uninstalling beagle itself?!
[04:20] <wsjunior> it isnt in Autostart so i think it is started with beagled..
[04:22] <the_hammer> no dice
[04:23] <sarah> I'm having trouble getting my intel onboard ethernet to work....it uses the e100 module, but ifconfig doesn't recognize it, and ifup eth0 results in a "No such device" error, although /etc/network/interfaces contains all I need for eth0 to be recognized
[04:23] <sarah> anyone know what to do?
[04:23] <killer_> ok.. maybe this is a better question, what do I install to get perl-DBI?
[04:25] <mamma> hello
[04:25] <jhutchins> sarah: Probably need an alias for the driver in modules.d/aliases
[04:26] <yacoob> killer_, apt-cache search dbi ? :)
[04:26] <sarah> jhutchins, how do I do that?
[04:26] <mamma> probleempej: heb kubuntu geinsteleerd, maar kan nu geen andere programma's instaleren zoals flash..., euh help???
[04:27] <the_hammer> this is messed up
[04:27] <yacoob> (libdbi-perl)
[04:27] <the_hammer> w32codecs is already the newest version.
[04:27] <the_hammer> but yet it wont let me play the vid from that site i posted earlyer
[04:27] <arkanabar> Why does M$ have to make it so bloody hard to do what I want?
[04:27] <the_hammer> :/
[04:27] <killer_> yacoob: I searched for dbi in synaptic, my RHEL server has a perl-DBI.*.rpm, so there should be package for ubuntu, trying apt-cache from the commandline
[04:27] <the_hammer> i feel your pian
[04:28] <the_hammer> pain*
[04:28] <jhutchins> sarah: Sorry, not correct for ubuntu.
[04:28] <sarah> jhutchins, oh...bummer
[04:28] <mamma> naybody, how can i install flash
[04:28] <pfein> how can I turn off that bouncy icon by the mouse when applications start?
[04:28] <killer_> yacoob: oh.. libdbi.. ok.. thanks.. I completely looked past the LONG list of lib* when I searched for perl
[04:29] <arkanabar> I had this notion, that I'd have 1 each of ntfs, /, /home, and /swap primary partitions, but Win2k has set me up with 2 already
[04:29] <BluesKaj> !flash | mamma
[04:29] <ubotu> mamma: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:29] <arkanabar> and one is too small to use and is being a pain about resizing
[04:29] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[04:31] <arkanabar> Any suggestions?
[04:31] <sarah> anyone else know how to get my ethernet working? lspci gives me this: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 01)
[04:31] <jhutchins> sarah: Unfortunately, ubuntu uses gui configuration tools for networking instead of the standard configuration files.  Somewhere you have to define which kernel module to load for networking, but I'm not finding it.
[04:32] <eilker> !lspci
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <sarah> jhutchins, but, I'm on a server, with a CLI-only setup
[04:32] <frojnd> what's the command to check how many FPS my graphic card has??
[04:32] <eilker> glxgears ?
[04:33] <mamma> I'll try, thanks ubotu!
[04:33] <killer_> yacoob: thanks.. I can now, perldoc DBI :)
[04:33] <frojnd> eiliker: no fps are listed..
[04:33] <eilker> sorry, it was for glx
[04:34] <frojnd> xgears?
[04:34] <the_hammer> woohooo look what i found http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/
[04:34] <yacoob> killer_, btw, if you're considering writting something from scratch, get some modern library for db access
[04:34] <yacoob> like, DBIx
[04:35] <arkanabar> I'm trying to set up partitions, and I'm stuck with this irremovable, unresizable 1.27MB partition on my disk and I bloody can't get rid of it.  Any suggestions?
[04:35] <eilker> !gear
[04:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gear - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <sarah> anyone else know how to get my ethernet working? lspci gives me this: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 01)
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> 1.27mb?
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> if it's that small, just ignore it
[04:36] <eilker> sarah: behind modem or router ?
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> less than a floppy :\
[04:36] <BluesKaj> !glxgears
[04:36] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[04:37] <Daisuke_Ido> what's a good fps for glxgears?
[04:37] <frojnd> 60 ?
[04:37] <sarah> eilker, both, but I can't ping the router
[04:37] <sarah> eilker, lol, _Cable_ modem and router
[04:38] <arkanabar> Daisuke_Ido:  ........... I had hoped to set up 4 real partitions -- ntfs, /, /home, and /swap, to make it easier to switch distros and share data b/n Linux & Win2K.
[04:38] <eilker> sarah: sorry , i have no idea with cable modems,
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> okay...
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> why can't you?
[04:39] <eilker> sarah: #networking try here too pls
[04:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i assume the 1.27mb partition is either at the beginning or end of the drive
[04:39] <arkanabar> Because the partition table limits me to 4 actual partitions.  Which ought I to make vitual?
[04:39] <sarah> eilker, the cable modem doesn't matter, I"m on a LAN
[04:39] <BluesKaj> frojnd, you don't set it ...if yer running an ATI card try fgl_glxgears to really test the system, it's DRI 3D
[04:39] <arkanabar> nooooooooooooooooo.  It's at the end of the NTFS partition.
[04:39] <frojnd> VluesKaj: I have nvidia
[04:39] <frojnd> BluesKaj*
[04:40] <frojnd> BluesKaj: and I will install new drivers..
[04:40] <frojnd> and I just wanna check before and after I isntall those driveres what's the fps
[04:40] <BluesKaj> !glxgears -nvidia
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> may as well make /home virtual, as it doesn't (in my experience) make much difference
[04:40] <ashmaus> Anyone know about wireless drivers in Feisty? I seem to be failing here...
[04:40] <BluesKaj> !glxgears-nvidia
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glxgears-nvidia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> or just pick up another hdd
[04:41] <BluesKaj> !3D
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <BluesKaj> !DRI
[04:41] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[04:42] <Daisuke_Ido> but the 1.27mb...  i can't think of any reason you wouldn't be able to get rid of it
[04:43] <eilker> !webcam
[04:43] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:43] <jhutchins> sarah: All I can recommend is going into the system config menu and seing what you can find.  An e100 ought to be automatically detected and configured, but I can't find where to do it manually.
[04:43] <arkanabar> It just pops up when I try to create a root partition... any reason I can't put that at the end of the free space?
[04:43] <arkanabar> er, root, that is?
[04:44] <sarah> jhutchins, I don't have a gui. /etc is the closest I've got to a  system config menu
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> not that i know of
[04:46] <BluesKaj> sarah, what about /etc/X11?
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you're trying to create the root partition as a logical partition
[04:47] <mamma> ubotu: save or open with ark? I'm realy new at this....
[04:47] <sarah> what about it?
[04:48] <sarah> YES! I did ifconfig -a and the ethernet controller is actually showing up as eth1, for some weird reason!
[04:48] <sarah> I love it, my server is back online!
[04:48] <arkanabar> mamma -- ubotu is a bot, not a person.
[04:48] <Grey_Loki> Any SuperKaramba users around?
[04:48] <sarah> Grey_Loki, I am
[04:48] <BluesKaj> sarah, you get X back if you list , then you can cp to a backup xorg file that used to work
[04:48] <sarah> blue, I don't want X...this is for a headless server
[04:48] <mamma> euh help anyway????
[04:49] <Grey_Loki> sarah, i'm using a full system-monitoring widget, but it only updates its graphical display when I right-click it, and tell it to refresh. Is there a way to get it to refresh automatically, say, every 500-1000ms?
[04:49] <routmout> #perpignan
[04:50] <arkanabar> mamma, all ubotu does is link to resources when asked about a specific thing shown by an exclamation point
[04:50] <jhutchins> sarah: Aparently discover's supposed to detect the hardware and load the modules without intervention.
[04:50] <sarah> Grey_Loki, which are you using? I prefer glass monitor
[04:50] <Grey_Loki> sarah, 'Sleek Monitor - 1.0', says the SuperKaramba Themes window.
[04:51] <mamma> ok
[04:51] <Grey_Loki> I got it from the SK's 'Get New Stuff' erm...repository?
[04:51] <Grey_Loki> Don't know the right word for it
[04:51] <sarah> Grey_Loki, hmm, there may be a .theme file kicking around for it...
[04:51] <Grey_Loki> sarah, there is
[04:51] <sarah> I don't know where superkaramba stores the d/l'ed widgets...
[04:53] <Grey_Loki> Hrm
[04:53] <Grey_Loki> nvm, I guess :S
[04:53] <steveire> I don't seem to have the nvidia driver installed. What do I need to install to use it?
[04:53] <arkanabar> mamma, ask the channel with full specifics.  somebody may be paying attention and respond.  or see if  http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions can help you
[04:54] <Grey_Loki> !nvidia | steveire
[04:54] <ubotu> steveire: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:54] <mervteck> hey everyone
[04:55] <space_ninja> Why can't add a tracker in ktorrent?
[04:55] <mamma> i'll try, thanks arkanabar
[04:55] <mervteck> hey steve u here?
[04:56] <jhutchins> mervteck: Does your client not have a nic list?
[04:56] <mervteck> dunno honestly
[04:56] <mervteck> Konversation im usin atm
[04:57] <mervteck> brb
[04:57] <Sayers> How secure is it to host a webserver on this computer with a router?
[04:57] <Grey_Loki> Anyone else use superkaramba, since sarah seems to have disappeared?
[04:57] <locke> Hello, excuse me, I just installed kubuntu and configured the network settings to connect to my wireless network, it connects to the network however if i have a WEP key set on the network it won't load webpages, does anyone know why this might be?
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> Sayers: as safe as the software you run on the webserver
[04:58] <underdog5004> Sayers, moderately secure...
[04:58] <underdog5004> T3hWiz0rd, I agree
[04:58] <underdog5004> I prefer a standalone
[04:58] <underdog5004> less hassle, less overhead
[04:58] <Sayers> Ah, never mind , I'd rather just use a web host then, not worth the risk
[04:58] <Sayers> This is my desktop
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> i run a couple php sites on mine which makes it a target
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> Sayers: now i've gone over a year with little issue
[04:59] <T3hWiz0rd> but thats me... i also change default ports.
[04:59] <mervteck> back
[05:00] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: It's not worth the risk imo , I'd rather use a webhost, if only I had some money... or there was a good free one
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> 9 dollars a month for unmetered :-)
[05:00] <locke> can anyone address my problem if they know why it might be? =x
[05:01] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: Is it super good webhosting?
[05:01] <miltos> i've just loaded samba and configured the network printer (windows) for share but nothing happens!
[05:01] <T3hWiz0rd> they've been fantabulous to me for 5 1/2 years. Great, fast support, good control panel, blazing-fast speed, unmetered (not unlimited) traffic
[05:02] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: And where is this?
[05:02] <T3hWiz0rd> www.phpwebhosting.com
[05:02] <locke> why would my configuration connect to my wireless network but not load websites?
[05:03] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: Looks blah
[05:03] <mervteck> can anyone tell me if theres an EASY way to tell what programs to use on what processor? im running an amd athlon x2 4600
[05:03] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, ps aux might tell you
[05:03] <T3hWiz0rd> Sayers: why? cos they odn't have pretty pictures?
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> alright, then go to a host with pretty pictures lol
[05:04] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: Pretty much
[05:04] <mervteck> ty loki
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> i'll continue to pay flat rate for top end service.
[05:04] <eilker> !qt
[05:04] <mervteck> also does anyone here play CS:S on wine?
[05:04] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> i swear peopel on the internet these days are morons. "its not pretty it can't be good"
[05:05] <locke> does anyone know anything about network settings ?
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: what about them?
[05:05] <intelikey>  I GOT GRUB INSTALLED !
[05:06] <locke> i have it connected to my network, however it won't load websites for some reason
[05:06] <intelikey> and they said it couldn't be done.
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> just when i thought we got rid of you intelikey  :-)
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> jk
[05:06] <mervteck> xD
[05:06] <intelikey> but.
[05:06] <BluesKaj> Finally ,Grub works !
[05:06] <intelikey> it's not working correctly.
[05:06] <BluesKaj> hehe
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: did you check your dns? make sure its getting an ip?
[05:06] <locke> but the problem is only when i have WEP set, if i have no security on the network it will load websites =\, do you know why it might do that?
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: try setting a public dns then? see if that works.
[05:07] <BluesKaj> that dumb grub menu
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> suse has a dumb boot menu. too colourful.
[05:07] <mervteck> Suse is for ULTRA NOOBS xD
[05:07] <BluesKaj> Yast suckz
[05:08] <mervteck> but then again im pretty noob with linux so i cant complane
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> i have a YaST infection.
[05:08] <intelikey> would someone that knows grub take a look at my configs and tell me what is wrong     http://pastebin.ca/398839    if lilo loads the vmlinuz and initrd pair it boots just fine,  if grub loads them  "and it does that ok"  it times out waiting for the root fs then i have to mount it and it continues booting...
[05:08] <mervteck> and yes Yast sucks my left nut
[05:09] <BluesKaj> intelikey, i just went into : kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst ...edit it there
[05:09] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah and ?
[05:09] <locke> T3hWiz0rd, thanks for your help, i've got it working :)
[05:09] <BluesKaj> got rid of the old kernels etc
[05:09] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: awesome mang.
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: was it dns issues?
[05:10] <intelikey> ok.
[05:10] <locke> no, for some reason it hadn't saved the WEP key
[05:10] <locke> lol
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> ahhh lol
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> locke: i always have issues with dns on my wifi router.
[05:10] <locke> My DS won't connect to my network anymore for some reason :(
[05:10] <Grey_Loki> Why do my superkaramba themes stay static, instead of updating? I have one that's supposed to be giving system information, but it's not updating...
[05:11] <intelikey> anyone looking ?
[05:11] <mervteck> does anyone here run CS:S in Wine?
[05:12] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, I don't run CSS specifically, but I know a little bit about Wine - what's up?
[05:13] <locke> is there a good snes emulator for linux or would i be better off running zsnes in wine?
[05:14] <haffe> Snes9x
[05:14] <haffe> But isn't Zsnes available as a native linux binary?
[05:14] <locke> actually...i think it may be
[05:14] <intelikey> ok i'll ask in the other channel.
[05:15] <locke> you think the save files would work between versions?
[05:16] <mervteck> well lokie CSS crashes on me when i try to select option to change my name or resolution
[05:21] <antoxa>  
[05:22] <Jucato> !ru | antoxa
[05:22] <ubotu> antoxa:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[05:23] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, have you checked WineHQ's appdb for a solution yet?
[05:23] <mervteck> so far all i have found is that it supports the game, not nessicarely what to do in this situation
[05:24] <mervteck> im a horrible web surfer lol
[05:26] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, let me just see if I can find a link or two that might help you
[05:26] <mervteck> kks ^^
[05:28] <mervteck> aww how lame, they stoped making linux clients for Americas army like 4 versions ago =(
[05:29] <Grey_Loki> Yeah
[05:29] <Grey_Loki> Not a big enough base to continue development
[05:29] <mervteck> yeah its lame =\
[05:29] <mervteck> i love AA
[05:29] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, i'm guessing you've seen and perused this page - http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3731 ?
[05:29] <mervteck> and from what ive heard AA dont like wine OR cadega
[05:30] <steveire> Hey. I have a windows laptop and a linux laptop connected to the same router. Can they talk to eachother?
[05:30] <mervteck> cant say i have, 1 sec
[05:31] <Grey_Loki> steveire, yes, on just about every level.
[05:31] <Grey_Loki> Some of it will take a bit of technical jiggery-pokery, though.
[05:32] <steveire> Ok. I'll start with the highest level. What's that sharing folders?
[05:34] <steveire> Grey_Loki: What's the highest level?
[05:35] <Grey_Loki> To share folders, you'd either set up an FTP server on one box on the other, and connect to it, or use Samba on Linux
[05:35] <Grey_Loki> What do you mean, 'the highest level'?
[05:35] <steveire> I mean the easiest to set up. I don't want to run an ftp server on either of them. I've installed samba already. How do I use it?
[05:36] <ari> hi !!!
[05:36] <VanKaszaner> hi
[05:38] <ari> i installed beryl a few days ago and i tried to change my windows borders but i still see the default windows borders. is there a way to fix it !?!
[05:38] <VanKaszaner> has somebody by Xorg process high memory usage?
[05:39] <VanKaszaner> my Xorg process takes >220MB
[05:39] <ubuntu> ...
[05:40] <underdog5004> VanKaszaner, mine is at 120m
[05:42] <VanKaszaner> underdog5004 -> how much RAM have you?
[05:44] <weatherman> hi, how do I allow a user to read/write a usb disk?
[05:44] <shadowhywind> is there a way to disable the external monitor port?
[05:47] <Grey_Loki> !samba | steveire
[05:47] <ubotu> steveire: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:48] <ashmaus> :(  I just got wireless working, but it died when I did the happy-dance
[05:48] <ashmaus> !wireless
[05:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:50] <mervteck> brb
[05:53] <eilker> anyone using last fm in amarok ?
[05:53] <mervteck> whats last fm?
[05:54] <Grey_Loki> It's like a music blog
[05:54] <Grey_Loki> It takes what tracks you play, and uploads their names to a central server
[05:54] <Grey_Loki> Also lets you find bands that sound like other bands
[05:54] <ashmaus> eilker, I like it
[05:55] <eilker> ashmaus>: i hit classical in last fm  , but no voice, not working...
[05:55] <eilker> ashmaus>: any idea ?
[05:56] <intelikey> ok i got some sujestions form the other channel,  none of which helped but they tried.  that's better response than i normally get in there...
[05:56] <ashmaus> not really. Check the settings? (on last.fm)
[05:56] <intelikey> now anyone want to look at it?     http://pastebin.ca/398875
[05:57] <Grey_Loki> mervteck, http://www.last.fm/user/greyloki/ <My last.fm profile
[05:57] <Grey_Loki> It kinda shows you what it's all about
[05:58] <eilker> Grey_Loki: why cant i use last fm any idea ?
[05:58] <eilker> ashmaus> it looks like normal
[05:59] <Grey_Loki> eilker, well, we need information before we can make an informed decision
[06:00] <intelikey> hmmmm nobody knows ?
[06:00] <eilker> Grey_Loki: i choosed last fm icon, from settings, and i write sth for user name, and password, that is what i all did, and from engage tried to listen sth, but i cant
[06:01] <eilker> intelikey> : what was your problem ?
[06:01] <mervteck> brb
[06:01] <intelikey> well i installed grub.   it loads the kernel initrd pair.  but it hangs waiting for root fs      http://pastebin.ca/398875
[06:01] <Grey_Loki> eilker, is last.fm set up to output to the right device?
[06:02] <mervteck> back
[06:02] <wsjunior> is there any beagle build for kde? i mean without the default user interface (that is a gtk app)
[06:03] <eilker> Grey_Loki>: i dont know,  i didnt set it, but i can listen to mp3 from amarok...
[06:03] <wsjunior> it seems that the beagle in rep was built with this gtk ui by default, so even installing kerry it brings also the gtk beagle ui at startup..
[06:03] <Grey_Loki> eilker, i'd suggest you take a look in last.fm's properties page, and make sure that its audio properties are set up correctly.
[06:04] <ashmaus> F**K!! I will never buy another broadcom wireless product again!
[06:05] <oem> Italia????
[06:05] <eilker> Grey_Loki> there are only, last fm profile, and last fm services, . would  there be more things ?
[06:05] <ashmaus> I guess for now my laptop will stay XP
[06:05] <oem> c' un italiano????
[06:05] <Grey_Loki> !it | oem
[06:06] <ubotu> oem: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:06] <Grey_Loki> :)
[06:06] <oem> wow che accoglienza!!!!
[06:08] <Grey_Loki> Erm..yes?
[06:08] <oem> non era ironico
[06:08] <max_> ciao a tutti
[06:09] <illusina> How can I copy 150gb from drive to drive without my entire system becoming unusable (laggy)?
[06:11] <MarcC> is there a hotkey to hide the splash at boot and show the normal text instead?
[06:12] <intelikey> grub help ?   http://pastebin.ca/398875  ?
[06:13] <wsjunior> MarcC: I think there isnt a verbose mode for the default splash
[06:14] <Grey_Loki> What could be making my superkaramba widget not update itself automatically?
[06:15] <Grey_Loki> It only updates the data it's displaying when I right click it, and tell it to refresh
[06:19] <filthpig> hi all
[06:20] <filthpig> just installed 7.04 herd 5 on my brother's computer, but I get an error from his D-link wireless network card
[06:20] <filthpig> it's prism54
[06:22] <filthpig1> hm o0
[06:22] <filthpig1> I fell out
[06:22] <filthpig1> did anyone reply?
[06:22] <filthpig1> !prism54
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prism54 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <filthpig1> !prism54usb
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> !prism
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prism54usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prism - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[06:23] <filthpig1> :s
[06:23] <filthpig1> :s
[06:24] <Grey_Loki> filthpig, what's the error?
[06:24] <mervteck> hmm can anyone help me with this error, SteamSTartup() failed: SteamStartip(0xf,0x0034E064) failed with error 1: The registry is in use by another process, timeout expired
[06:25] <Gh0st75> i just tried burning a dual layer dvd with k3b and got the following error: Write failed input/output error, it happened at 50% progress burning at 1x
[06:25] <filthpig1> Grey_Loki: one oment
[06:25] <filthpig1> moment
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> mervteck: might try #wine
[06:25] <lupul> hello. does anyone know how can i really make my ati radeon 9550 work properly on edgy? ps
[06:25] <lupul> *pls
[06:25] <LeeJunFan> or maybe it's #winehq
[06:26] <Gh0st75> it's not bad media, as a friend used one and it worked fine. wondering if it's a software issue or a bad burner
[06:26] <mervteck> hmm can anyone help me with this error, SteamSTartup() failed: SteamStartip(0xf,0x0034E064) failed with error 1: The registry is in use by another process, timeout expired
[06:26] <mervteck> oops!
[06:26] <mervteck> lol
[06:28] <lupul> any help here please??
[06:28] <Grey_Loki> !ati | lupul
[06:28] <ubotu> lupul: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <lupul> i already did that. still doesn't work well
[06:29] <lupul> actually it works worse
[06:29] <filthpig2> uh
[06:29] <filthpig2> this opera irc client is really unstable :s
[06:30] <filthpig2> anyway, Grey_Loki, there you have my error output
[06:30] <filthpig2> I found a howto for getting it to work in 6.06
[06:31] <filthpig2> dunno if it'll work now, though
[06:31] <filthpig2> worth a try?'
[06:31] <Grey_Loki> filthpig, can you post your error output again?
[06:31] <filthpig2> they used ndiswrapper and cp'ed the driver files
[06:32] <Grey_Loki> lupul, what do you mean 'works worse'?
[06:32] <filthpig2> the whole output is:
[06:32] <filthpig2> p54: LM86 firmware
[06:32] <filthpig2> prism54usb: eeprom read failed
[06:32] <filthpig2> prism54usb: probe of 5-7:1.0 failed with error -22
[06:32] <filthpig2> usb 5-7: device_add(5-7:1.0) --> -22
[06:33] <filthpig2> !eeprom
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eeprom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:33] <filthpig2> damn, am I lagged or what?
[06:34] <Grey_Loki> filthpig, have you followed all the links in this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=170904
[06:34] <Grey_Loki> The reply posted by monomaniacpat could help you
[06:35] <lupul> less fps
[06:37] <lupul> all i want is to make that damned fglrx work.
[06:37] <lupul> work good. i have about 10 fps in almost any GLscreensaver
[06:39] <Grey_Loki> lupul, well, ATi's drivers have never been brilliant, on Linux or Windows.
[06:39] <lupul> on windows they do
[06:39] <Grey_Loki> They might work, but not -well-
[06:40] <lupul> i know
[06:40] <Grey_Loki> On non-standard setups, they tend to fall over a lot
[06:40] <Grey_Loki> And you've seen what their linux driver support is like :P
[06:40] <Grey_Loki> There are loads of people who have the same, or similar, problems - a quick google should be able to provide links to several walkthroughs of things to try
[06:40] <lupul> actually they are only for suse and red hat
[06:40] <Grey_Loki> I personally use nVidia cards, so I have no direct experience with ATi cards in Linux
[06:41] <lupul> how does your card work?
[06:41] <Grey_Loki> Very well
[06:41] <Grey_Loki> I don't do much gaming on linux, but the few 3D games I do play average about 60fps
[06:41] <Grey_Loki> They're not particularly complex games, mind.
[06:41] <lupul> wow
[06:41] <lupul> i can only dream about that
[06:41] <lupul> what card do you have?
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> An nVidia GeForce 6800GT.
[06:42] <lupul> and which linux?
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> ...Kubuntu...
[06:42] <lupul> ok
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> Why, which distro are you using?
[06:42] <lupul> kubuntu edgy
[06:42] <lupul> but i was curious if nvidia drivers work on kubuntu
[06:42] <Grey_Loki> Yep
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> Do a search of the forums - i'm sure there are several threads dedicated to helping you poor ATi users get up and running :)
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> (http://forums.ubuntu.com)
[06:43] <filthpig2> Grey_Loki: thanks for the tip
[06:43] <_4pLaY_> any gurus around ? :)
[06:43] <lupul> i tried everything i believe
[06:43] <Grey_Loki> !ask _4pLaY_
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask _4play_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <lupul> but it still doesn't work good
[06:44] <Grey_Loki> !ask | _4pLaY_
[06:44] <ubotu> _4pLaY_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:44] <_4pLaY_> :) just installed Kubuntu on my Dell XPS however after install it wont boot! it stops on no ps/2 controller found! probing ports
[06:45] <_4pLaY_> i havent used Linux in years so look on me as a total newbie =)
[06:45] <Grey_Loki> lupul, well, there are people who've got their cards working properly in linux, so the solution is out there somewhere
[06:45] <lupul> hope so
[06:50] <waylandbill> true type font - how do I install? copy to /usr/share/fonts
[06:50] <INFP-Shevek> Can someone help me with a monitor problem? Since I got a new SyncMaster flat screen, Kubuntu is no longer working for me.
[06:54] <Grey_Loki> INFP-Shevek, have you tried reconfiguring X?
[06:54] <Grey_Loki> I'm guessing that it's just the graphical elements of Kubuntu that aren't working, not the entire distro?
[06:55] <shadowhywind> hay all just installed nvidia for the 20th time, and it actraulyl is semi-working.. it takes 15-20 mins for KDE to start.. any ideas?
[06:55] <INFP-Shevek> True. Kubuntu manages to display the boot process progress bar graphics, but once X is to start, the moitor seems to completely lose the signal. And yes, I've tried running x-configure once.
[06:58] <Dumahen> how can i get back my computer it has a lot of problem after update :(
[07:00] <binks_> how can i check what memory is being used and by what as i forgot cheers
[07:02] <eilker> where is kept *.deb files ? in etc/apt ?
[07:02] <Grey_Loki> binks_, ps aux
[07:02] <INFP-Shevek> Can someone help me with a monitor problem? Since I got a new SyncMaster flat screen, Kubuntu is no longer working for me.
[07:02] <Grey_Loki> Or just ps
[07:03] <karlos> Good Afternom
[07:03] <karlos> hui
[07:03] <karlos> ggh
[07:04] <karlos> htfhyft
[07:04] <timster> How do I tar something in comand line?
[07:05] <Grey_Loki> timster, -c
[07:05] <stdin> timster: tar cf filename.tar /path
[07:05] <timster> example?
[07:05] <timster> Ok thanks
[07:05] <karlos> thanks
[07:06] <karlos> how are you
[07:06] <INFP-Shevek> My new monitor is simply not getting a signal from Kubuntu when X starts.
[07:07] <binks_> Grey_Loki:  cheers
[07:07] <timster> And how do I delete a file through command line
[07:07] <Grey_Loki> timster, rm
[07:07] <Grey_Loki> Or, if it's a directory, rm -r
[07:07] <Grey_Loki> I like to use -v, too.
[07:07] <stdin> or rmdir
[07:07] <timster> So Example?
[07:08] <stdin> rm filename
[07:08] <Grey_Loki> timster, sudo rm -rv /home/timster
[07:08] <Grey_Loki> :P
[07:08] <stdin> rm -r /home/me/dir
[07:08] <stdin> Grey_Loki: not good if he tries that :P
[07:08] <Grey_Loki> timster, just so you know, I am joking
[07:08] <Grey_Loki> The syntax is correct, but I wouldn't run it :P
[07:09] <timster> I wasn't going to
[07:09] <timster> sudo rm -rv /sillyircpeople/Grey_Loki
[07:09] <Grey_Loki> Don't forget -f!
[07:10] <Skuller> what happens if i $ sudo rm -r /usr?
[07:10] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, baaaaad things
[07:10] <stdin> Skuller: you wouldn't be able to use your computer anymore
[07:11] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: lol....ok does this move the foldeer to trash can or permanent wipe off?
[07:11] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, it ReMoves it
[07:11] <stdin> kills it
[07:11] <Skuller> stdin: more precisely the OS u mean...:)
[07:11] <Grey_Loki> stdin, bash would still work, wouldn't it?
[07:11] <stdin> Skuller: well, yes :P
[07:11] <Grey_Loki> And basic file management stuffs
[07:12] <stdin> kde would be gone
[07:12] <Skuller> can i remove my / while in the os?
[07:12] <stdin> no
[07:12] <Skuller> hmm thought so
[07:12] <muskelbiber> hi, I need a tool for kubuntu which schows me the temperature of the cpu,
[07:12] <stdin> rm is in /bin, so you would be removing that
[07:12] <Skuller> is there a 'device manager' equivalent around here?
[07:13] <picklejuice> anybody know where I can find an eterm deb?
[07:13] <stdin> muskelbiber: ksensors
[07:13] <Grey_Loki> muskelbiber, if you're after eyecandy, you could use something like superkaramba, with one of the system monitor themes
[07:13] <Skuller> !superkaramba
[07:13] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[07:14] <stdin> !eterm | picklejuice
[07:14] <ubotu> picklejuice: eterm: Enlightened Terminal Emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 415 kB, installed size 1100 kB
[07:14] <Skuller> and i thought beryl was the limit....woot
[07:14] <muskelbiber> well, i tried superkaramba but it doesn't work ;(
[07:14] <firecrotch> muskelbiber, what's wrong with it?
[07:14] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: can i just apt-get install superkaramba?
[07:15] <Grey_Loki> firecrotch, I have a bit of a problem with superkaramba, too
[07:15] <muskelbiber> I start the applet "TempMon" but i see nothing
[07:15] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, yeah
[07:15] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: cool i'll get on it right now..thanks for the info
[07:16] <Skuller> Grey_Loki:
[07:16] <Skuller> why is superkaramba's size so less when its eye candy?
[07:17] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, no idea
[07:17] <Grey_Loki> The themes you download are the actual eyecandy - superkaramba is just a framework for them to work in
[07:18] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: oh...damn..so some more downloading to do....k cool..thnx
[07:18] <comp08> privet !
[07:18] <muskelbiber> has superkaramba an logfile perhaps I find there informations why TempMon don't work
[07:19] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, well, the themes themselves can be downloaded from inside SK, so it's not a biggie
[07:19] <firecrotch> I still haven't figured out the intricasies of superkaramba, but it works fine for me (just some themes don't work, since there are some things that Kubuntu does differently)
[07:19] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, I use the GlassMonitor theme
[07:19] <Grey_Loki> firecrotch, any idea why the themes that I have aren't updating their displays?
[07:20] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: oh yea..i just figured that...too bad u cant get a description of the widget till u download it i guess...
[07:20] <Grey_Loki> Every one of them stays static, only refreshing the data when I tell it to, rather than automatically
[07:20] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: ok i'll try that one too...thanx
[07:20] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, since the largets one i've seen is about 500KB, I think it's a moot point
[07:20] <Grey_Loki> *largest
[07:20] <firecrotch> Grey_Loki: That's an odd one... Which themes are you using?
[07:20] <Grey_Loki> firecrotch, at the moment, GlassMonitor
[07:21] <Skuller> ohh cool....corecction..i can see the description without downloading
[07:21] <Skuller> i mean installing*
[07:21] <Grey_Loki> Although i've also tried the Sleek Monitor, which had the same problem
[07:21] <Dumahen> how can i get back my computer it has a lot of problem after update :(
[07:23] <firecrotch> Grey_Loki: Are you using Edgy?
[07:24] <Grey_Loki> firecrotch, yup
[07:24] <Grey_Loki> At least, i'm fairly sure I am
[07:24] <filthpig2> !ndiswrapper
[07:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:24] <filthpig2> sigh
[07:24] <filthpig2> of course ndiswrapper isn't installed on fiesty by default
[07:25] <firecrotch> Grey_Loki: I know it worked nicely for me in Edgy, and it's working fine in Feisty... I just had to modify it to detect my wireless
[07:25] <Grey_Loki> Guess i'll go back to searching their forums
[07:25] <Grey_Loki> It seems that it may be because i've not updated everything in a while
[07:25] <Grey_Loki> I don't really have the bandwidth to do so at the moment
[07:26] <Grey_Loki> And I have ~300MB of packages ready for me if I apt-get upgrade
[07:26] <firecrotch> Grey_Loki: That could be.  I've always kept up to date on everything
[07:26] <firecrotch> Grey_Loki:  Trust me, it's time well spent to upgrade
[07:27] <Grey_Loki> firecrotch, i'll wait until tomorrow to do it - going around to a friends house
[07:27] <Grey_Loki> His connection'll take such a beating, it'll never know what hit it
[07:27] <firecrotch> Haha
[07:27] <filthpig2> hm
[07:27] <filthpig2> when I do "locate ndiswrapper" I get some outputs
[07:27] <filthpig2> but I cannot run ndiswrapper
[07:28] <bxnp> what do you get when you start ndiswrapper from the console filthpig2
[07:29] <filthpig2> cmnd not foudn
[07:29] <filthpig2> found
[07:29] <bxnp> do
[07:29] <bxnp> which ndiswrapper on the console
[07:29] <filthpig2> nada oO
[07:29] <filthpig2> no outout
[07:29] <bxnp> lol
[07:30] <bxnp> you dont have ndiswrapper installed
[07:30] <bxnp> you have the kernel module
[07:30] <bxnp> yes
[07:30] <bxnp> but not the user programs
[07:30] <filthpig2> ah
[07:30] <bxnp> do this
[07:30] <bxnp> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.8
[07:30] <Skuller> what does $ locate XXX do?
[07:30] <Skuller> search?
[07:31] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, 'man locate'
[07:31] <Grey_Loki> :P
[07:31] <Skuller> lol
[07:31] <firecrotch> !locate
[07:31] <ubotu> locate is a command-line file search utility. To make sure its cache is up to date run: sudo updatedb
[07:31] <Skuller> hmm
[07:31] <bxnp> filthpig2: is it installing those packages
[07:31] <filthpig2> bxnp: hehe, well that's a bit hard when I need the ndiswrapper to get online in the first place ;)
[07:31] <bxnp> you are online
[07:32] <Skuller> what about specifying the parameters like type of file or directory?
[07:32] <bxnp> what are you talking about
[07:32] <filthpig2> from another computer, yes
[07:32] <bxnp> well do this
[07:32] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: what about specifying the parameters like type of file or directory?
[07:32] <Grey_Loki> bxnp, online from a second computer, when he wants to get the first up and running.
[07:32] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, again, check the man entry
[07:32] <bxnp> is that other computer allso running the same kubuntu version
[07:32] <Grey_Loki> They are there for you to read
[07:32] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: ok thanks
[07:33] <filthpig2> I'm running winXP on this one
[07:33] <filthpig2> but the one I'm trying to get on the air is 7.04 herd 5
[07:33] <bxnp> my god for you friend, who does not know how to get his network up
[07:33] <bxnp> why did you not install dapper
[07:33] <bxnp> wich is stable
[07:33] <bxnp> already
[07:33] <bxnp> anyway
[07:34] <firecrotch> filthpig2: Just browse the repos and download the packages, then copy them to the Kubuntu computer
[07:34] <firecrotch> filthpig2:  Then just install them with dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:34] <firecrotch> !info ndiswrapper-common
[07:34] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:37] <youtheman> Having just installed the Kubuntu LiveCD Dapper Drake on a spare disk I am wondering if there's a GUI to fine tune the boot menu (GRUB)?
[07:37] <bxnp> i dont understand why kubuntu does not put ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 in the default installation
[07:37] <bxnp> they dont think what to include what is inportant to people
[07:38] <bxnp> yeah give me 6 editors
[07:38] <youtheman> I looked around and I don't believe there's a GRUB GUI editor anywhere.
[07:38] <filthpig2> sweet
[07:38] <filthpig2> the common and utils-files were on the cd
[07:38] <bxnp> no they are not
[07:39] <filthpig2> yes they were
[07:39] <bxnp> you have to download them otherwise your friend does not have this problem
[07:39] <firecrotch> youtheman: You'll have to edit the GRUB config file, it's a simple text file
[07:39] <filthpig2> pool/main/n/ndiswrapper
[07:39] <bxnp> i am taltking about the user space ndiswrapper program
[07:39] <bxnp> not the kernel module
[07:39] <filthpig2> yes?
[07:39] <filthpig2> common and utiles
[07:39] <filthpig2> utils
[07:39] <filthpig2> 1.8
[07:39] <youtheman> firecrotch: hi, thank you for advising
[07:39] <bxnp> strange
[07:39] <filthpig2> just installed them ;)
[07:40] <firecrotch> youtheman: you're welcome :)
[07:40] <bxnp> becuase on breezy dapper and edgy install cd they are not included
[07:40] <bxnp> maybe they changed that good, finaly they think a bit
[07:41] <firecrotch> youtheman: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:42] <youtheman> what's the GRUB command shell good for then?
[07:42] <filthpig3> christ
[07:42] <Sayers> T3hWiz0rd: Do you know any decent free webhosts
[07:42] <filthpig3> this opera irc client is wacked
[07:42] <mervteck> #winehq
[07:43] <bxnp> use konversation xchat or irssi filthpig3
[07:43] <prolisok> Hello! Can anyone help with video playback? I've installed all codecs. The problem is that high definition video don't play fluently. It seems like there's lack of RAM. Can I give more resource to video player?
[07:43] <bxnp> those are real irc clients
[07:43] <Grey_Loki> filthpig3, sudo apt-get install irssi?
[07:44] <youtheman> hmmm
[07:45] <youtheman> this is awkward
[07:45] <youtheman> i cannot find documentation further breaking down what menu.lst mean
[07:45] <youtheman> i tried info grub and man grub, both are quite terse
[07:45] <youtheman> i'll google
[07:46] <filthpig3> i REALLY hope this works
[07:46] <filthpig3> didn't get any weird outputs, so hopefully it'll work :)
[07:46] <bxnp> you hope what works
[07:47] <filthpig3> it would be totally awesome if it did ^^
[07:47] <bxnp> you mean ndiswrapper filthpig3
[07:47] <youtheman> wow GRUB is way too powerful, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html
[07:47] <youtheman> hey i had no idea GRUB would knock out my Windows XP bootloader
[07:48] <youtheman> i preferred the XP one (okay, i know it SUCKS), and then configuring it to load linux
[07:48] <youtheman> but LiveCD clobbered my bootloader without warning
[07:48] <bxnp> just ndiswrapper -i thewindows inffile
[07:48] <youtheman> how do i get it back?
[07:48] <firecrotch> !grubfix
[07:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grubfix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <bxnp> then check with ndiswrapper -l everything works oke filthpig3
[07:49] <apokryphos> why would you want to get back a bootloader which you say yourself, sucks?
[07:49] <firecrotch> !grub
[07:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:49] <youtheman> apokryphos: because i know it
[07:49] <youtheman> i know it pretty well
[07:49] <bxnp> and if everything works make it final ith ndiswrapper -m
[07:49] <prolisok> Hello! Can anyone help with video playback? I've installed all codecs. The problem is that high definition video don't play fluently. It seems like there's lack of RAM. Can I give more resource to video player?
[07:49] <apokryphos> youtheman: then I'm sure you know how to put it back ;-)
[07:49] <youtheman> and i am tremendously busy, i have time to try Kbuntu, but I don't have time to learn the jedi tricks of GRUB
[07:49] <youtheman> apokryphos: okay i don't know that trick
[07:49] <apokryphos> youtheman: why would you need to learn thme?
[07:49] <apokryphos> *them
[07:49] <Grey_Loki> prolisok, i'm pretty sure that the video app would take as much memory as it needs
[07:50] <Grey_Loki> How much RAM is in your system?
[07:50] <prolisok> 1 Gb
[07:50] <Grey_Loki> Also, how much is your video player actually using?
[07:50] <Grey_Loki> Use 'top' to find out
[07:50] <apokryphos> youtheman: does it not work fine?
[07:50] <prolisok> It opens file Okay, but it interupts when playing from time to time
[07:51] <youtheman> apokryphos: i am trying to modify it so that it does not inconvenience my family
[07:51] <bxnp> what is the cpu usages when you play that file prolisok
[07:51] <youtheman> it is defaulting to Kubuntu at boot up
[07:51] <youtheman> i want it to boot to XP by default
[07:51] <youtheman> i am the only one using Linux for university stuff
[07:51] <prolisok> how can I get to know how much video player is using?CPU usage - quater of full usage
[07:51] <bxnp> no you are not youtheman
[07:51] <filthpig3> installing the xp driver with ndiswrapper
[07:51] <filthpig3> for the d-link card I'm trying to get working
[07:51] <filthpig3> oh well, it didn't work
[07:51] <filthpig3> hm
[07:51] <filthpig3> can it be that the prism54usb and ndiswrapper drivers are colliding?
[07:52] <apokryphos> youtheman: that's probably very easy (though Kubuntu's real grub editor comes in Feisty). Pastebin me your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:52] <bxnp> dont spam filthpig3
[07:52] <bxnp> anyway
[07:52] <apokryphos> !enter | filthpig2
[07:52] <ubotu> filthpig2: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:52] <bxnp> what is ndiswrapper saying when you install the INF file
[07:53] <youtheman> apokryphos: you are going above and beyond the call of duty here
[07:53] <youtheman> i am fidning some results googling
[07:53] <youtheman> something about changing default
[07:53] <youtheman> default 0 to default whatever item windows is on
[07:53] <apokryphos> youtheman: I'm really not :P
[07:53] <Smorg> anyone here use the linuxant drivers? do they work?
[07:53] <Smorg> worth getting?
[07:53] <apokryphos> youtheman: it'll be easier for me if you pastebin it
[07:53] <Sayers> Are there any decent/good free web hosts laying around, I really dont feel like spending oney
[07:54] <filthpig3> bxnp: It didn't say anything other than installing the file
[07:54] <Smorg> kppp can't seem to work normally :-/
[07:54] <bxnp> ndiswrapper -l the output filthpig3
[07:54] <youtheman> apokryphos: does GRUB read the menu.lst at every boot? I don't have to "burn" the changed menu.lst to the MBR do i?
[07:54] <filthpig3> and when I do ndiswrapper -l I get prisa02, driver installed, hardware present
[07:54] <filthpig3> prisma*
[07:54] <bxnp> oke well its good
[07:54] <filthpig3> so it really should be working
[07:55] <apokryphos> youtheman: no, you don't. The MBR is a ridiculously small thing that just redirects, in this case -- to /boot. That file is the GRUB configuration file.
[07:55] <bxnp> and how do you know that its not working
[07:55] <bxnp> do iwconfig
[07:55] <youtheman> okay
[07:55] <youtheman> apokryphos++
[07:55] <Grey_Loki> 1984++
[07:55] <youtheman> brb gotta reboot
[07:55] <youtheman> and test out the new menu.lst
[07:56] <apokryphos> youtheman: I hope you haven't changed anything bad :P
[07:56] <mervteck> hey everybody!
[07:56] <apokryphos> otherwise we won't be seeing you again ;-)
[07:56] <apokryphos> hi
[07:56] <Skuller> omg is there any way i can change anything (except the background) in my glass monitor karamba widget?
[07:57] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, not easily
[07:57] <Grey_Loki> Unless you fancied going through the .theme file, and editing it manually
[07:57] <Grey_Loki> (I commented out the wireless card section, since i'm on a cabled network)
[07:57] <mervteck> can anyone help me with getting bf2 to work on wine =\ the wine channel is useless, and the site isant much better
[07:57] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: easy to change the options in the theme file?
[07:58] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: i got no prorgrammin skillz btw if thats what is needed
[07:58] <bxnp> filthpig3: what does iwconfig says
[07:58] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, well, take a look at the theme file
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> mervteck: what would you want to play that crappy game for anyway :p
[07:58] <prolisok> bxnp, Grey_loki, do you have any ideas what can be the problem of such stops while playing video
[07:58] <mervteck> heyyy i like bf2 xD
[07:58] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: how?....open with kate?
[07:58] <mervteck> just cuz i love sniping noobs xD
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> mervteck: I used to - until they neutered the helo's.
[07:58] <Grey_Loki> It's stored in /home/user/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba/themes/
[07:58] <Grey_Loki> But yeah, open it with something
[07:59] <bxnp> what are the specs of your box prolisok
[07:59] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: ok...hehe
[07:59] <Grey_Loki> It's a standard text file, with a different extension
[07:59] <prolisok> bxmp, what is specs of box?
[07:59] <bxnp> bxnp it is :)
[07:59] <prolisok> sorry, bxnp
[08:00] <bxnp> ehm, specs is what kind of hardware are you running
[08:00] <mervteck> yeah i was mad when all of a suddon a minigun can hit a guy 60 times and only take 20 health =\
[08:00] <bxnp> video card cpu ram
[08:00] <filthpig3> bxnp: lo and eth0 gives no wireless ext
[08:00] <filthpig3> and the card is dead
[08:00] <filthpig3> the powerLED is dark
[08:00] <filthpig3> how can I get the prism-driver to not run?
[08:00] <bxnp> blacklist the module
[08:00] <filthpig3> geez, I'm lagged as hell :s
[08:01] <mervteck> my bf2 starts ... but b4 i get any menu or anything it crashes and screws my Desktop to where i have to restart
[08:01] <kunwon1> Hello - I'm on kubuntu with KDE 3.5.5, and when I go to System Settings > Monitor & Display, It says the Monitor & Display module could not be loaded. Possible reasons listed are that an error occurred during the last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module, or that I have an old third party module lying around. I've tried googling and haven't found anything helpful, any suggestions as to how I can get my monitor &
[08:01] <kunwon1> display module working again would be appreciated
[08:01] <prolisok> Video card ati radeon x1600 XT 256 Mb, installed driver ok - bxnp, cpu - atlon 3500+, RAM - 2x512 Mb
[08:01] <LeeJunFan> mervteck: are you running the wine that comes with kubuntu or the up to date one?
[08:01] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: its in .skz extension and opens up a bunch of ants when opened with kate
[08:01] <bxnp> filthpig3: put a line blacklist yourmodule in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[08:01] <mervteck> how can i tell?
[08:01] <Grey_Loki> Skuller, you're looking at the wrong place, then
[08:02] <LeeJunFan> mervteck: you would have had to add a repoistory to get the newest.
[08:02] <mervteck> i believe i already did
[08:02] <bxnp> whell that should be more then enough to play hdvideo
[08:02] <filthpig3> bxnp: "blacklist prism54usb2" ?
[08:02] <mervteck> go in PM for a minuet lee
[08:02] <bxnp> is that the module wich got loaded on boottime filthpig3 then yes
[08:03] <Skuller> Grey_Loki: ok i think i'll get back to it later...i need to go
[08:03] <Skuller> thanks for your help
[08:03] <Skuller> laterz
[08:03] <bxnp> and for now you have to remove the module with rmmod yourmodule
[08:03] <Grey_Loki> Seeya, Skuller
[08:03] <prolisok> Yes, bxnp, I had common problem playing small files in kffeine before I enabled using larger amount of hardware resource for player
[08:04] <filthpig3> hmh :/
[08:04] <bxnp> btw filthpig3 do ndiswrapper -m allso
[08:05] <bxnp> and then the easiest way is to reboot and see if you card is recognized at boot time
[08:05] <filthpig3> rebooting at
[08:05] <bxnp> what filthpig3
[08:05] <bxnp> one sec prolisok
[08:06] <prolisok> Ok, bxnp, I'll wait
[08:07] <payam> #ubuntu.se
[08:09] <payam> How can i see a iso file without write it on a Cd
[08:09] <payam> ?
[08:11] <Grey_Loki> payam, sudo mount /path/to/iso /path/to/mount -o loop
[08:11] <filthpig3> at
[08:11] <filthpig3> atm
[08:11] <filthpig3> damned m-key
[08:11] <filthpig3> hehehe, sorry
[08:11] <filthpig3> hm
[08:11] <filthpig3> no go :(
[08:11] <filthpig3> sigh
[08:11] <filthpig3> why OH why
[08:11] <filthpig3> hm
[08:12] <bxnp> i am on the phone filthpig3
[08:13] <payam> Grey_loky
[08:13] <filthpig3> bxnp: okey
[08:14] <Grey_Loki> payam?
[08:14] <payam> where can i write the name of the iso fail
[08:14] <payam> Hw can i select it
[08:14] <payam> bkz i have two iso files
[08:14] <Grey_Loki> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
[08:14] <payam> and i want that one of them be installed
[08:14] <payam>  sudo mount /path/to/iso /path/to/mount -o loop
[08:15] <payam> what happens if i write it in terminal?
[08:15] <Grey_Loki> If you write that, nothing
[08:15] <payam> nothing?
[08:15] <payam> so?
[08:15] <Grey_Loki> You need to substitue the two /path/to's with proper paths
[08:15] <Grey_Loki> So if your iso was in your home directory, and your mountpoint was /media/iso
[08:15] <Grey_Loki> The command would be:
[08:15] <principo> Hallo, kann mir jemand helfen??
[08:15] <Grey_Loki> sudo mount /home/payam/file.iso /media/iso -o loop
[08:17] <filthpig3> and you create the /media/iso with sudo mkdir /media/iso :)
[08:17] <filthpig3> !.de | principo
[08:17] <ubotu> principo: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:17] <payam> > sudo mount /home/payam/Autocad Lt 2005.iso /media/iso -o loop  ?
[08:17] <payam> like that?
[08:17] <Grey_Loki> payam, assuming that /media/iso is a directory, yes
[08:17] <Grey_Loki> I should also tell you that software piracy is illegal
[08:17] <payam> media iso?
[08:18] <payam> i know
[08:18] <payam> i have wine
[08:18] <payam> waite
[08:18] <payam>  :  /media/iso
[08:18] <payam> what you say about that='
[08:18] <payam> ?
[08:18] <payam> what shoul i write then?
[08:19] <filthpig3> yes
[08:19] <Grey_Loki> payam, type ls /media/iso
[08:19] <Grey_Loki> Does it give you an error, or not?
[08:19] <payam> waite
[08:19] <payam> i should test it
[08:20] <payam> A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom,
[08:20] <payam> or by label, using  -L label  or by uuid, using  -U uuid .
[08:20] <payam> Other options: [-nfFrsvw]  [-o options]  [-p passwdfd] .
[08:20] <payam> For many more details, say  man 8 mount .
[08:20] <bruno__> oi
[08:21] <filthpig3> payam: in konsole, write sudo mkdir /media/iso
[08:22] <payam> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/iso': File exists
[08:22] <osh_> Is there a way to control the cpu governors based on temperature? I need it to switch to powersave when temp goes over a certain threshold. Is there something out there already or should I start my python-fu?
[08:22] <bruno__> alguem fala portugues ai
[08:22] <osh_> !pt
[08:22] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:23] <osh_> bruno__: or ask your question in english. ;-)
[08:24] <bruno__> http://
[08:25] <bruno__> !pt
[08:25] <ubotu> pt is Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[08:25] <Sayers> does /tmp clean it'
[08:25] <bruno__> :)
[08:25] <Sayers> it's* self out?
[08:25] <bruno__> thank you
[08:30] <filthpig3> payam, then mounthing the
[08:30] <filthpig3> ?erh
[08:31] <filthpig3> then mounting the image should work..
[08:31] <filthpig3> oh well
[08:31] <filthpig3> I give up my project for now
[08:31] <filthpig3> bb tomorrow..
[08:38] <Cantthinkofname> what are some good media players besides amarok?
[08:38] <Cantthinkofname> i'm getting kinda tired of it
[08:39] <|lostbyte|> join #php
[08:39] <chino> mplayer
[08:40] <|lostbyte|> Sorry..
[08:44] <MostKnown53> helloe what kind of program is used to install programs in kubuntu
[08:44] <payam> what do you mean?
[08:45] <MostKnown53> like im new to linux and i wanted to start with kubuntu and i dont kno how to install program i always get probelms with depends
[08:46] <payam> K menyaddd/remove programs
[08:46] <biohazard> # ubuntu-pl
[08:47] <biohazard> #ubuntu.pl
[08:47] <MostKnown53> what does #ubuntu.pl do
[08:49] <mervteck> hey everyone
[08:49] <MostKnown53> hey
[08:49] <sybux> hi all, I need to connect to a Wifi network which is in WPA enterprise with LEAP encryption. Any1 know how I can do this ?
[08:50] <andreux> Boa tarde
[08:50] <Grey_Loki> sybux, you'd have to use wpa_supplicant
[08:50] <Grey_Loki> !wpa_supplicant
[08:50] <mervteck> is anyoone here a linux coder?
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wpa_supplicant - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:51] <sybux> Grey_Loki: thx, I will have a look
[08:52] <billy00> help! my apt-get is completely broken.  i can't install or update any software.  all hope is lost
[08:53] <MostKnown53> how do i get synaptic
[08:54] <billy00> apt-get keeps trying to remove a package, but it keeps getting an error, and it refuses to give up
[08:54] <mervteck> anyone wann talk to meh? im lonly! xD
[08:54] <billy00> it won't let me do anything else until this package is removed
[08:55] <fdoving> billy00: can you paste the error to http://rafb.net/paste and give me the address to the result?
[08:56] <billy00> sure thing
[08:56] <Grey_Loki> MostKnown53, it should be installed by default
[08:56] <Grey_Loki> System>Administration>Synaptic
[08:58] <MostKnown53> ok thx
[08:58] <billy00> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/wA1r5693.html
[08:58] <MostKnown53> do u kno how to make it so that the bootloader will boot from a usb drive
[09:00] <cecko> hi all, don't you know if the kubuntu herd 5 iso is named correctly in its metadata?
[09:00] <Lynoure> Is there some way apart from the font size for adjusting menubar or toolbar height in kde?
[09:00] <tominglis> hi, does anyone know how to change the encoder quality in kaudiocreator?
[09:01] <fdoving> billy00: can you now paste the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl1440lpr.postrm ? ('cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl1440lpr.postrm|more' to view, space for more if it's more than one page)
[09:01] <Section31> I so love the Beryl "beam up" animation for minimizing/maximizing apps.
[09:01] <billy00> will do
[09:02] <Grey_Loki> I'm tempted to install Beryl on this desktop system
[09:02] <Grey_Loki> But in the preview videos i've seen for it, there are lots of artifacts
[09:02] <Grey_Loki> Plus, I run dualhead :D
[09:04] <billy00> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/kFJLw543.html
[09:04] <NDPowerBook> Grey_Loki: No artifacts on my Dell Latitude 400 that I'm running it on.
[09:05] <Grey_Loki> NDPowerBook, how about dualscreen?
[09:05] <NDPowerBook> Grey_Loki: I dunno.
[09:05] <Grey_Loki> brb
[09:08] <paul__> anyone tried lightscribe on linux?
[09:11] <fdoving> billy00: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/hl1440lpr.postrm and add a # infront of the last line.
[09:11] <billy00> ok
[09:11] <RawSewage> where is the spell check switch in Konversation
[09:12] <RawSewage> nm
[09:12] <RawSewage> right-click text-input box
[09:12] <cecko> I have brain-teaser for you all: you have two files. both of them are called "feisty-desktop-i386.iso" and both of them are labeled as "Kubuntu 7.04 i386" when opened in k3b. Which of them is Kubuntu Feisty Herd 5?
[09:13] <yacoob> cecko, mount them, check them :)
[09:13] <billy00> fdoving: i thnk that worked, thanks!
[09:13] <fdoving> billy00: you're welcome. :)
[09:13] <filthpig3> :s
[09:13] <MostKnown53> hey who has been working with kubuntu for a while
[09:14] <fdoving> cecko: the one which md5sum matches the one on the download page.
[09:14] <fdoving> MostKnown53: what is your question?
[09:15] <MostKnown53> i need to know what the best software is, instant messenger, email, firewall,antivirus,mediaplayer and so on
[09:16] <filthpig> well
[09:16] <filthpig> most of it is installed already, MostKnown53 ;)
[09:16] <cecko> yacoob: that would be handy, thx
[09:16] <fdoving> MostKnown53: IM: kopete, mail: Kontact/Kmail or Mailody (imap only), firewall you don't need, antivirus: clamav, but you don't really need that either, mediaplayers: kaffeine is good for movies, amarok is great for music.
[09:16] <cecko> fdoving: you solved it! thx
[09:17] <fdoving> cecko: you're welcome :)
[09:17] <yacoob> those days I mostly use gmail
[09:17] <filthpig> I prefer using amsn for IM, but of course that's only for msn ;)
[09:17] <filthpig> and Konqueror for irc
[09:18] <MostKnown53> lol so u telling me i dont need a firewall with linux or a antivirus, if i dont use a firewall then whats keeping hackers from stilling personal information and what ever else they want
[09:18] <fdoving> MostKnown53: if you don't install any services you're safe.
[09:18] <MostKnown53> what will be a service
[09:18] <yacoob> MostKnown53, you don't need antivirus, there are little viruses that attack Linux out there in the wild.
[09:18] <yacoob> Firewall... well, that depends on your setup.
[09:19] <filthpig> most of the linux viruses are aimed at servers
[09:19] <fdoving> MostKnown53: mailservers, ftpservers, webservers etc.
[09:19] <MostKnown53> ok im just worried about the firewall part
[09:19] <yacoob> filthpig, those are worms  :)
[09:20] <MostKnown53> i use paypal and ebay alot i dont want someone stealing my information
[09:20] <filthpig> yacoob: well they mess up the system anyway :P can do, at least :P
[09:27] <filthpig1> sigh
[09:28] <filthpig1> not getting that Foxtrot Utah Charlie *-ing d-link card to work :(
[09:31] <tominglis> hi, how do you edit the monitor and display settings from the system settings, without using the ui?
[09:31] <tominglis> (the ui is broken)
[09:32] <filthpig1> sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[09:35] <LOLNADA> hey, Kubunt edgy's DVD has Beryl?
[09:36] <LOLNADA> hey, Kubunt edgy's DVD has Beryl?
[09:36] <tominglis> filthpig1: i particularly want to edit the power saving option
[09:37] <tominglis> the one that tells the machine how long to keep the screen from going off
[09:37] <tominglis> that's not in xorg.conf?
[09:39] <mervteck> =O i got CSS TO WORK WOOT!
[09:43] <Alonea> So, does Linux have any nice video editing software? like somthing similar to Pinnacle , Showbiz, Primier, etc.
[09:44] <Cugel> Alonea: short anwer: no. Longer answer: Kdenlive is quite nice -- and I was used to Pinnacle.
[09:44] <Cugel> You're meant to used Kino. And I will say it here and now: Kino _sucks_.
[09:44] <Alonea> Cugel: doesn't surprise me.
[09:45] <Cugel> But I was able to happily edit scenes and stuff with Kdenlive.
[09:45] <Cugel> Kino is okay for capturing from my digital camera.
[09:46] <Alonea> I want an app that can record video from a video source, but now that I think of it I dont have video plugs on this compy like my other one does. Well, I need to to be able to read a lot of different formats. Especially .vob files. I like doing AMVs.
[09:47] <Cugel> I use VLC to play .vob files -- but I don't know if there's an editor for those.
[09:47] <orient2000> Kdenlive is not in adept is it?
[09:47] <Cugel> orient: no it's not.
[09:47] <Cugel> It should, really.
[09:48] <Alonea> Cugel: yeah, Show Biz would, but the program was real bad at managing ram that it crashed a lot.
[09:49] <Alonea> Cugel: I would rip a dvd to another format but I cant find anything that works on sony's new dvds these days
[09:50] <ub_> !help
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[09:51] <Alonea> ub_: who was that for?
[09:51] <fiction> How do i browse files as sudo?
[09:52] <fiction> for example, in ubuntu, i can do "sudo nautilus"
[09:52] <Alonea> fiction: kdesu konqueror in the terminal.
[09:52] <Cugel> fiction: sudo konqueror?
[09:52] <fiction> sudo konqueror doesnt wok
[09:52] <fiction> Alonea: thanks, ill try
[09:52] <Alonea> fiction: no problem, and ignore any errors it says. its referring to wacom tablet.
[09:53] <fiction> Alonea: it worked, thanks. and yes, terminal showed a bunch of "failed to..."
[09:53] <Alonea> fiction: its just X bad device stuff. dont worry about it. it does it to everyone. ^__^
[09:54] <underdog5004> unless you comment out that portion in xorg.conf
[09:56] <fiction> =)
[09:57] <filthpig> sorry to interrupt, but what exactly is that wacom stuff in xorg?
[09:57] <Gunirus> something useless
[09:57] <osh_> Is there a way to control the cpu governors based on temperature? I need it to switch to powersave when temp goes over a certain threshold. Is there something out there already or should I start my python-fu?
[09:57] <Cugel> There are instructions on what to comment out -- it does help thingsl.
[09:57] <Alonea> well, I actually have a wacom tablet, just haven't tried to use it yet on Linux. Its a shame I wont be able to run Corel Painter 9 on Linux, but I will eventually get windows back up and running on the other hd.
[09:57] <filthpig> !wacom
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <Cugel> Personally I think it's a bug.
[09:58] <filthpig> Gunirus: :) but if it's useless, why is it there? :)
[09:58] <Gunirus> you have a wacom tablet?
[09:59] <Alonea> Gunirus: yeah, I do. I bought one at best buy a couple months ago. they are awesome.
[09:59] <Gunirus> try it!
[09:59] <filthpig> Gunirus: what is a wacom tablet? :P
[10:00] <Gunirus> filthpig: disable it ....
[10:00] <filthpig> heheh, ok :p
[10:00] <Gunirus> if you don't know what it is, then you can't have one :)
[10:00] <Alonea> filthpig: you seriously have never heard of them? well, for one, they are not cheap. basically its a digital drawing pad.
[10:00] <filthpig> aha
[10:00] <filthpig> one of those things
[10:00] <Gunirus> Alonea: price?
[10:01] <Alonea> Gunirus: I got one for 110.
[10:01] <Gunirus> $ or  ?
[10:01] <Alonea> $
[10:01] <Alonea> Gunirus: its a small one, but it works just fine for me.
[10:01] <Gunirus>  82.599
[10:01] <Gunirus> too much for me
[10:02] <Alonea> Gunirus: is that the conversion for you? but yes, they are not cheap and the bigger ones go in the thousands of dollars range
[10:03] <Gunirus> wtf
[10:03] <mervteck> can anyone help me figure out a crash log from Wine
[10:03] <mervteck> well an app running with wine
[10:03] <Alonea> Gunirus: they really are not for the common people to just mess around with. they are for professional artists and the video editing people of movies and such.
[10:04] <Gunirus> i know
[10:04] <Gunirus> but i was surprised
[10:04] <Alonea> Gunirus: yeah, and 110 is actually pretty cheap for the one I got. was lucky i saw one on sale and such
[10:04] <Gunirus> $ > 1000 for some elctronics...
[10:04] <Alonea> Gunirus: yeah, the prices on them are insane.
[10:06] <Alonea> ooo, 12x19 pad looks like it dropped. at least their intuos series did. only $750
[10:06] <mervteck> so can anyone help a noob decifer a crash log?
[10:07] <Gunirus> mervteck: maybe
[10:07] <Alonea> I got a graphire 4x5 pad.
[10:07] <mervteck> how would i send the log anyways
[10:07] <Gunirus> !paste
[10:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:08] <lupul> can anyone tell me pls if i can remove some menus in the right click menu?
[10:08] <lupul> i want to remove refresh desktop
[10:09] <the_hammer> how do i adjust permissions on trash can
[10:09] <the_hammer> got a file in there wont let me emty :(
[10:09] <mervteck> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10817/ ream em and weep! xD
[10:09] <mervteck> 444 lines of error...
[10:10] <the_hammer> if its that bad id reinstall heh
[10:10] <mervteck> lol i dunno if its all errors.. but help meh figure out what the hell it all means and how to fix it >.<
[10:10] <Gunirus> the_hammer: BlackMagic? :
[10:10] <Gunirus> :p
[10:10] <Gunirus> oops
[10:10] <the_hammer> lol
[10:11] <Gunirus> mervteck: BlackMagick?
[10:11] <mervteck> yeah thats my pc name =P
[10:11] <Gunirus> for games you've cedega
[10:11] <Gunirus> not wine
[10:11] <mervteck> wine says it will run BF2
[10:12] <mervteck> so far it runs anything steam, i wanna see it run BF2 now =)
[10:12] <the_hammer> cvirus did u ever hang on undernet?
[10:12] <CVirus> the_hammer: yes
[10:12] <CVirus> the_hammer: what is it ?
[10:12] <the_hammer> lol been ages since i seen u
[10:13] <CVirus> the_hammer: #Kubuntu-offtopic
[10:13] <filthpig1> god DAMN
[10:13] <Alonea> filthpig1: dear, language.
[10:13] <mervteck> so anyone got a clue on what all the errors are saying and how to fix it?
[10:13] <mervteck> or hell even a clue
[10:14] <filthpig1> Alonea: sorry, been a rogh day :p
[10:14] <filthpig1> rough
[10:15] <filthpig1> oh well
[10:16] <Alonea> filthpig1: its okay dear. if I didn't say it someone else would of. actually someone in #ubuntu  yesterday completely had a cow for someone saying damn just by itself. I hope today goes better for you!
[10:16] <VR_> would of?
[10:16] <VR_> BWEURGH~ !
[10:17] <filthpig1> haha
[10:17] <filthpig1> Alonea: sure it wasn't that christian derivative channel you were on, then? :P :D
[10:17] <Alonea> mervteck: ok, dxdiag is direct X diagnosis type thing.
[10:17] <mervteck> kks
[10:17] <Alonea> filthpig1: lol! no, its just some people take the "family friendly" thing a bit toooo far.
[10:18] <filthpig1> haha, so it seems
[10:18] <mervteck> Alonea: so what should i do?
[10:18] <Alonea> mervteck: it looks like it is looking for direct x components. also, do you have 3d acceleration?
[10:19] <filthpig1> ALONE
[10:19] <filthpig1> abandoned by all
[10:19] <filthpig1> even ndiswrapper :(
[10:19] <ubuntu_> holas
[10:19] <mervteck> i... duno can u be more idot so i can understand? xD i know i got my nvidia drivers, i know i got a few dll's ppl sequested i get
[10:19] <ubuntu_> alguna mujer
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> hello
[10:19] <Alonea> mervteck: do you get the cube with gears when you do this in the terminal
[10:19] <Alonea> ? fgl_glxgears
[10:19] <filthpig1> !.es | ubuntu_
[10:19] <nosrednaekim> !es | ubuntu_
[10:19] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:20] <mervteck> yeah
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> mervteck: whats your frame rate?
[10:20] <mervteck> how do i check
[10:20] <Alonea> mervteck: let that run for a few seconds, close box, and it will tell you
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> it should be printed in the terminal you started fgl_glxgears from
[10:21] <filthpig1> !no
[10:21] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[10:21] <mervteck> k 1 sec
[10:21] <mervteck> mm didnt tell me anything =\
[10:22] <Alonea> mervteck: how long did you let it run? 5 seconds should do it...
[10:23] <Alonea> mervteck: and you just closed the gears box right?
[10:23] <mervteck> 1 sec im redoing it only from konsole this time...
[10:24] <mervteck> i let it run this time from console for about 30 seconds and when i closed the geers box it says X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[10:24] <Alonea> mervteck: oh, did you not do it in the terminal/konsole last time?
[10:24] <mervteck> not the first few times but now when i do it gives me that error
[10:24] <Alonea> mervteck: but while its running, in the terminal it will start spouting framerates every couple seconds
[10:25] <mervteck> nope it dont do it
[10:25] <mervteck> in console i put glxgears
[10:25] <mervteck> and it jsut sits there
[10:25] <Alonea> mervteck: nop, its fgl_glxgears
[10:25] <mervteck> bash not found
[10:26] <Alonea> mervteck: did you just copy and paste what I put in, exactly?
[10:26] <mervteck> yes
[10:26] <filthpig1> btw, will (k)ubuntu revert to using bash, or will they stick to dash?
[10:26] <Alonea> mervteck: and you checked there wasn't a space in front of the f or anything right?
[10:26] <filthpig1> and what is actually the difference (except that cedega won't work with dash ^^)
[10:26] <mervteck> right
[10:27] <mervteck> mervteck@BlackMagic:~$ fgl_glxgears
[10:27] <mervteck> bash: fgl_glxgears: command not found
[10:28] <Alonea> hmm, odd. maybe thats only if you have fglrx.
[10:28] <Alonea> i had to install binary drivers to get my ati card to work
[10:28] <mervteck> ahh
[10:28] <mervteck> nvidia pwns =)
[10:28] <Alonea> the binary are for nvidia too
[10:29] <Morvok> do the legacy drivers support the video-in for capturing?
[10:29] <Alonea> lets see, i guess if the gears showed up without the fgl then I guess you have 3d, but I am not sure.
[10:29] <Alonea> mervteck: what was the game you were trying to do with wine again?
[10:30] <sicye> hi!whz cant i resiye mz parttio wih qtparted?i only shows me format?and how can i change keyboard to qwertz?i changed regional settings in kcontrl,but sill hae qwertz_
[10:31] <mervteck> BattleFeild  2
[10:31] <sicye> and my keyboard wont work proper with  kubuntu?
[10:32] <sicye> !factoids
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[10:32] <Alonea> sicye: the default keyboard is us querty.
[10:33] <Alonea> *qwerty
[10:33] <filthpig1> sicye: unless you changed it during installation
[10:34] <Alonea> sicye: and partitioning is quite easy. first screen you make the sizes with the little slide bar and then you goto next screen to say which partition is which and whether you want to reformat them or not
[10:34] <sicye> Alonea: well, i want t change it to german, i did in change it to german i regiona! and im on livevcd at the moment, still testng
[10:35] <Alonea> sicye: ok, so you want language to be german and keyboard to be qwerty?
[10:36] <filthpig1> does anybody know if the partitionmanager from herd5 will be the one used on the final release?
[10:36] <sicye> Alonea: i  want  to resize partition and install kubuntu via virtualbox!!and yes
[10:36] <filthpig1> It's really terrible to use :s
[10:37] <Alonea> sicye: dunno what virtualbox is...I just use their stuff to partition. works fine for me.
[10:37] <Alonea> sicye: is virtualbox with daemon tools?
[10:37] <Alonea> *like
[10:37] <sicye> Alonea: well, qtparted will only let me format bu no resize
[10:38] <mervteck> Alonea : any clue what i can do?
[10:39] <sicye> Alonea: virtualbox is like vmware, you can have several workingstation, for instaling diffrent distros as tessystems for example
[10:39] <Alonea> mervteck: what os is wine set to?
[10:39] <mervteck> xp i believe 1 sec
[10:39] <Alonea> sicye: ah, ok. well, I dont know really how to help. only way I install is through bootable dvd
[10:40] <mervteck> yup windows XP
[10:41] <sicye> Alonea: i  reboot ino mz os then, resiye and install kubuntu as testsystem hen!thx for trying
[10:41] <Alonea> mervteck: well, I have not used wine much so see what they say in #winehq
[10:42] <sicye> kubuntu seems to have real problems with my solar keyboard thog :(
[10:42] <mervteck> there useless they never talk and when they do they jsut say figure it out yourself!
[10:43] <Alonea> mervteck: check this page? http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3438
[10:43] <mervteck> yup checked it lots
[10:44] <Alonea> mervteck: hmm, maybe someone in ##linux has an idea
[10:47] <BenPA> hi all ... I lost my desktop trash can on my KDE desktop ... how do I get it back
[10:48] <Alonea> BenPA: umm, to get it in your taskbar you right click, goto add applet and it will be on the list. maybe get it there then drag to desktop. I prefer it by the clock myself
[10:50] <BenPA> thank you alonea I found it
[10:51] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to set my refresh rate to 60
[10:52] <filthpig1> mervteck: google it?
[10:57] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know how to retrive all the windows and exactly the desktop of whatever the last kde session was?
[10:57] <crackhead_25> my comp crashed, and i wanted to see what kopete messages had been sent me..
[10:57] <ubuntu_> hi
[10:57] <ubuntu_> how can i install grub from the live cd? im trying to rescue my system
[10:57] <ubuntu_> ??
[10:57] <crackhead_25>  question: anyone know how to retrive all the windows and exactly the desktop of whatever the last kde session was? my comp crashed, and i wanted to see what kopete messages had been sent me..
[10:58] <filthpig1> crackhead_25: unless you're logging with kopete, they're gone
[10:59] <X86echo> I got to set auto spell checking in Konqueror when I type it does not do it anymore anyone know a trick ?
[10:59] <filthpig1> ubuntu_: I'm quite sure you can find a howto for it with google
[11:00] <BenPA> does anyone know if there is an equivalent of apple's parallel in linux yet?
[11:01] <crackhead_25> how do i log with kopete?
[11:01] <mervteck> well that was useless
[11:02] <shad-99> any one know how to get cs 1.6 to work with Wine?
[11:02] <mervteck> did u install the tahoma font?
[11:03] <hans> ...moin, moin!
[11:05] <BenPA> does anyone know if there is an equivalent of apple's parallel in linux yet?
[11:06] <filthpig1> what's that?
[11:07] <BenPA> a program that runs osx linux and ms at the same time under osx
[11:07] <ubuntu__> can anyone help me?
[11:07] <shad-99> Does any one know if you can install cs 1.6 on to Kubuntu with wine?
[11:07] <filthpig1> BenPA: vmware, then
[11:07] <filthpig1> or from kernel 2.6.20 it's kvm
[11:07] <ruphy> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[11:08] <shad-99> is that working with vmware?
[11:08] <_Anderson_> how can I put that tool bar (like on MAC OS X) on kde?
[11:08] <BenPA> I know vmware but I was wondering if there was something else
[11:08] <filthpig1> shad-99: I believe using cedega would be better
[11:08] <filthpig1> BenPA: kvm
[11:08] <filthpig1> kernel vm
[11:08] <BenPA> oh
[11:09] <shad-99> ahh ok never heard about cdega? .. -Lolo
[11:09] <shad-99> lol
[11:09] <PFA> j0, i am having trouble figuring out how to link the buttons on my media keyboard to any actual function? i have seen !mediakeys and i'm at the thing in KControl but it seems to be generally useless...?
[11:09] <BenPA> have you ised it
[11:09] <filthpig1> shad-99: www.transgaming.com
[11:09] <BenPA> used
[11:09] <shad-99> no
[11:09] <_Anderson_>  how can I put that tool bar (like on MAC OS X) on kde?
[11:09] <filthpig1> BenPA: nope. I don't think my poor old Athlon XP 2500+ cpu can take it :P
[11:09] <shad-99> ahhh thanks alot.. gonna try it -bye m8
[11:09] <filthpig1> np, byes
[11:10] <BenPA> ok thanks
[11:11] <filthpig1> _Anderson_: I'm currently not using linux, but I think if you right-click on the panel and navigate from there you can find something
[11:11] <filthpig1> I've never used it, so I don't know exactly where it is
[11:12] <filthpig1> if you can't find it, google is always a neat little thing ;)
[11:12] <the_hammer> i got to figure out how to get floppy to work and how to adjust permissions on trash can
[11:12] <the_hammer> bout had it with kubuntu
[11:13] <the_hammer> 1 prob after the next
[11:13] <filthpig1> why floppy?
[11:13] <the_hammer> spent 3 hours or so to install all my media stuff i needed
[11:13] <the_hammer> got some docs i need
[11:13] <filthpig1> uh
[11:13] <filthpig1> what stuff did you need that apt could not supply?
[11:14] <the_hammer> some docs i got a floppy..its a pain sending from pc to pc when i could fix it so kubuntu could open a floppy
[11:14] <the_hammer> thats 1
[11:15] <the_hammer> then my trash can wont let me emty it
[11:15] <filthpig1> oO
[11:15] <the_hammer> i click on properties and permissions and it wont let me edit its all greyed
[11:15] <filthpig1> hm
[11:15] <the_hammer> cant log in as root cuz its disabled
[11:15] <the_hammer> wich is stupid
[11:15] <filthpig1> disabled?!
[11:15] <filthpig1> erh
[11:15] <the_hammer> its the only linux distro i tried that wont let u log in as a root user
[11:16] <filthpig1> it's for safety
[11:16] <filthpig1> and you can use sudo
[11:16] <the_hammer> ya sudo su
[11:16] <the_hammer> then i made a short cut for editing files and stuff
[11:17] <the_hammer> kmenuedit then command konqueror --profile filemanagement :)
[11:17] <the_hammer> called it super duper user
[11:17] <the_hammer> works
[11:17] <the_hammer> log in as different user and it goes for root to allow u to over write files and crap
[11:18] <the_hammer> learned that from mepis
[11:18] <the_hammer> only thing id say that kubuntu gots going for it its easy to update the kernels and easy to update to most current kde
[11:18] <the_hammer> rest id say is a pain in the arse
[11:19] <the_hammer> im fighting with myself not to ditch it but seems im running into prob after prob
[11:19] <orient2000> './configure --prefix=kde-config --prefix'  what is a prefix? what should I type?
[11:20] <beta> the_hammer: what exactly do you mean by media stuff?
[11:20] <the_hammer> libdvdcss and libdvdcss2 and w32codes
[11:21] <PFA> j0, i am having trouble figuring out how to link the buttons on my media keyboard to any actual function? i have seen !mediakeys and i'm at the thing in KControl but it seems to be generally useless...?
[11:21] <the_hammer> easy to install but was difficult to find a place to d/l them all
[11:21] <the_hammer> most links refer to dead links
[11:21] <mrbrdo> hello guys
[11:21] <the_hammer> 3hrs later i got everything i wanted done
[11:22] <mrbrdo> i have a problem with video4linux, i'm getting the error "X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode". i am using the nvidia drivers installed via envy, and glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes
[11:22] <the_hammer> no problems with java and flash players or video or audio formats and streams and all that
[11:23] <orient2000> './configure --prefix=kde-config --prefix'  what is a prefix? what should I type?
[11:23] <filthpig> anyway, you can edit your permissions under system settings, user accounts
[11:23] <filthpig> orient2000: depends on what you're doing, heh
[11:23] <beta> the_hammer: yep, i kinda feel the same...(k)ubuntu suffers from bad manuals
[11:23] <orient2000> I try to configure install kdenlive
[11:24] <mrbrdo> X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode anyone knows anything about this error?
[11:24] <filthpig> beta: most ubuntu manuals are also valid for kubuntu
[11:24] <the_hammer> that and poor support
[11:24] <the_hammer> i looked at user/accounts and such and it was to no avail
[11:25] <filthpig> click "Administrator mode" in the bottom right corner
[11:25] <the_hammer> i did that
[11:25] <beta> filth: yes, but a lot are outdated...not well structured ect. its understandable if you start out such a big project like ubuntu is...with several ports versions and all
[11:25] <filthpig> and then you can add groups of stuff you want permission to edit
[11:25] <the_hammer> yeah lol beta alot of stuff i red was dated dec 2002
[11:25] <beta> but ist a apin in the ass for beginers....as it is is for people maintaining the manuals and how tos ;)
[11:25] <the_hammer> not much for 2007 for what i needed heh
[11:25] <beta> a pain
[11:25] <the_hammer> and the links from dec 2002 were dead links
[11:26] <the_hammer> a 5 min task took me 3 friggen hours
[11:26] <the_hammer> if i had a distro with rpms man id be stylin heh
[11:26] <filthpig> most of the non-updated howtos are not updated because a) there's a built-in fix for it in kubuntu, or b) it's still a valid howto
[11:27] <the_hammer> i say slack is best
[11:27] <filthpig> the_hammer: what did you want to do?
[11:27] <the_hammer> no muss no fuss
[11:27] <filthpig> hha
[11:27] <filthpig> and you talk about stuff taking five minutes?
[11:28] <the_hammer> yup
[11:28] <filthpig> "I'll go make some coffee while this small app is compiling"
[11:28] <the_hammer> kubuntu is most difficult cuz most methods i use are root and root is disabled
[11:28] <the_hammer> so finding work arounds takes forever yes
[11:29] <Jonty> the_hammer: you know about sude, don't you?
[11:29] <Jonty> *sudo
[11:29] <the_hammer> more so when ppl dunno whatcha want or know how to
[11:29] <the_hammer> yup
[11:29] <the_hammer> sudo su
[11:29] <Jonty> how about sudo bash?
[11:29] <Parkotron> !k3b
[11:29] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[11:29] <the_hammer> su i get autherize failed
[11:29] <Jonty> if you really want a root shell
[11:29] <Jonty> tried sudo?
[11:30] <the_hammer> i like opening another session and using root that way
[11:30] <the_hammer> then i point/click and do what i want
[11:30] <filthpig2> cheese
[11:30] <the_hammer> and log out
[11:30] <Jonty> the_hammer: it's as simple as sudo bash
[11:30] <beta> why does neither ff nor konqueror accepts localhost as port for proxy?
[11:30] <Jonty> and you know running GUIs as root that weren't intended to be run as such is dangerous?
[11:30] <beta> it keeps resetting to 0 or 127
[11:31] <crackhead_25> how do i setup the guest account for my kubuntu?
[11:31] <crackhead_25> how does that guest account work?
[11:32] <beta> the_hammer: why did you choose to install kubuntu instead of sticking to slack..or what ever distro you were using, just interested?
[11:33] <rdecosta> hi
[11:33] <livingdaylight> can someone help me with setting up and configuring samba
[11:33] <Jonty> hehe, that's the great thing about linux community support - it'll tell you to stop using a distro if it's not right
[11:33] <beta> jonty: no not at all...i really were just curious
[11:33] <beta> im a noob anyway
[11:34] <filthpig2> well, he was attacking kubuntu because it didn't work the way he was used to
[11:34] <filthpig2> which is quite lame
[11:34] <beta> i dont think he did
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: he cant access sudo
[11:34] <filthpig2> he did
[11:34] <beta> nothing is perfect kubuntu has its flaws as anything else obviously
[11:35] <beta> guess its ok to say that
[11:35] <filthpig2> he said "this and that is stupid because it's not how I want to do it"
[11:35] <crackhead_25> what if i just want to save my current session, keep it running, but let someone else start a new session which can't access my home/root folders?
[11:35] <crackhead_25> i.e. let a guest use my computer to check email etc.?
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: you can edit the permissions for any user and what group he is part of
[11:36] <filthpig2> the flaws he talked about were not flaws, he tried to do it in the way of another operating system
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> he/she*
[11:36] <beta> filthpig: hehe yep i guess its safe to say he wasnt very patient with sudo ;)
[11:36] <crackhead_25> how do i do what i just asked, though--i.e. keep my current session running, but without it being accessible to the guest, and let the guest use a new session?
[11:36] <beta> but he got a point with the manuals though
[11:36] <beta> imho
[11:37] <filthpig2> maybe
[11:37] <filthpig2> Yet I have not had a single problem that has not been solved through howtos and friendly people in here
[11:38] <beta> crack: er, how could a guest login to your session without your password anyway?
[11:38] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: yep, all users are seen as separate accounts, you can edit your /home directory permissions to block anyone from reading your user files with konqueror
[11:39] <filthpig2> It mostly doesn't matter if the howto is written for breezy, edgy or whatever
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: permissions in Linux are allot more stricter then windows by default
[11:39] <CaBlGuY> !Beryl
[11:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:40] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: I think your main problem is your thinking Linux works a bit like windows in that if a person can run the same app he can see the same things, nope, apps are shared but not user space files
[11:41] <morvok> has anyone installed rivatv on Kubuntu?
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: the way you looks at Linux is to think of the machines as being split in two, there is the system that only root can access or change and there are the users,  users can only edit their /home/username  nothing else, even your users program settings are all in /home/username
[11:45] <Jonty> where are lock files kept?
[11:46] <mike__> Hey
[11:46] <mike__> Fluxbox is coooooooool
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> Jonty: varies a bit  /var/spool/lock is one place
[11:47] <Jonty> ok
[11:47] <ab12> hello guys
[11:47] <ab12> whats the package name for skype
[11:47] <ab12> I mean repo?
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> Jonty: whats locked ?
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> ab12: skype
[11:47] <mike__> why don't download it from the Skype page?
[11:47] <Jonty> well, I'm trying to run a vmware image, and it says it can't access the disk image because it's locked
[11:48] <ab12> Linux_Galore: I don't have any skpye
[11:48] <ab12> at least not in those repos
[11:48] <Jonty> "Cannot open the disk '/home/jadh/Downloads/Syllable 0.6.3/Syllable.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on.
[11:48] <Jonty> Reason: Failed to lock the file."
[11:49] <ab12> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10825/
[11:49] <Jonty> aha, they've got weird permissions
[11:49] <klrtmto> hello humans
[11:49] <ab12> my sources.list
[11:49] <ab12> can someone tell me what repo do I need so I can isntall skype??
[11:49] <ab12> please
[11:49] <Jonty> hmm, still doesn't work
[11:50] <crackhead_25> linux_galore: so what are the command strokes that i do to keep a current kde session running, open a new kde session for a guest user to use the various apps, and then return to the original kde session? (you're right i'm a newbie converting from windows.)
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> ab12: open your package manager view -> manage repositories   then add this line deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free non-free  and save it
[11:51] <ab12> nevermind I found it
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: I dont use vmware so i havent got a clue
[11:51] <ab12> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[11:51] <ab12> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[11:51] <crackhead_25> linux_galore: what does vmware have to do with anything? what's vmware?
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: sorry wrong person
[11:52] <Jonty> haha
[11:53] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: use the "switch user" option in the meanu
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> menu*
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> crackhead_25: that keep the old session running
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> keeps*
[11:55] <faLUCE> Hi. I have a binary file splitted in three files: file1, file2 and file3. Which is the command which recompose the file? thnks
[11:57] <beta> can you guys reach irc.selflinux.org
[11:57] <beta> ?
[11:57] <beta> if so i still have a dns issue :/
[11:58] <Jonty> beta: 64 bytes from h746995.serverkompetenz.net (85.214.36.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=50.9 ms
[11:58] <Ash-Fox> There used to be this option to tell konqueror to remember setting for each folder rather than globally. But I just can't find it anymore, anybody know where it is?
[11:58] <Jonty> beta: ie yes
[11:58] <beta> Ash-fox: i wondered about that to
[11:58] <beta> thx guys...great still dns isues then
[11:58] <beta> can ping it to :/
[12:00] <crackhead_25> how do i make all my current user folders private so that other users of the computer can't access them? is that done with "permissions"?
[12:01] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, I do believe they are already setup that way.
[12:01] <crackhead_25> can i select user permissions even for external hard drives?
[12:01] <crackhead_25> they aren't setup yet that way. i made a new user, guest, signed in, and tested it, and you could access everything except the desktop folder
[12:01] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, yes, although it will be manual options you will need to set with UIDs/GIDs in /etc/fstab
[12:02] <crackhead_25> i.e. you could still access all the user's folders that weren't in the desktop folder
[12:02] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, did you try to access any files in those folders?
[12:02] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, you shouldn't of been able to read from them.
[12:02] <crackhead_25> yeah, you could access everything, it seemed
[12:02] <Ash-Fox> Directory listings - okay, reading from files - shouldn't be happening.
[12:03] <RadiantFire> simple remove the "execute" permission from the relevant folders for other groups
[12:03] <RadiantFire> and the will no longer be able to enter them
[12:03] <beta> crackhead_25:  were you still logged in as root maybe (from creating account)?
[12:03] <crackhead_25> hm
[12:03] <crackhead_25> i closed that admin window, though..
[12:03] <Ash-Fox> Either way, you could probably fix this by doing 'cd /home && sudo chmod 700 *' from the console.
[12:03] <Ash-Fox> Either way, you could probably fix this by doing 'cd /home && sudo chmod -R 700 *' from the console.
[12:05] <crackhead_25> oy vey.. now, after switching from one kde session to the other, now my mouse cursor has disappeared! i can't see the mouse cursor! (though i still sense the mouse moving--because the buttons highlight and unhighlight when i move the thing)
[12:05] <kristjans> hello
[12:05] <kristjans> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[12:05] <Ash-Fox> crabstic, sorry, I can't help you with that. But probably logging out and restarting X will fix the issue.
[12:06] <crackhead_25> who's crabstic?
[12:06] <Yeason> hey guys, I'm trying to install ubuntu 6.10 on an old ibook but the computer isn't showing the cd at the boot selection screen. anyone know where to start?
[12:06] <Ash-Fox> I meant crackhead_25
[12:06] <crackhead_25> how do i restart x without losing my current kde session?
[12:06] <Ash-Fox> Nickname autocomplete wasn't being helpful :P
[12:06] <beta> kristjans: ps | less lists your processes...the use killall processname to terminate it
[12:06] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, you can't.
[12:06] <beta> the = then
[12:06] <kristjans> beta: thank you
[12:06] <Ash-Fox> crackhead_25, but kde can save sessions.
[12:07] <crackhead_25> argghh i thought linux was supposed to be so much more solid than this?
[12:07] <morvok> mplater- error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. Does anyone know what could be causing this?
[12:07] <morvok> mplayer.
[12:07] <Jonty> crackhead_25: can you restart your computer without losing your operating system session?
[12:08] <Jonty> and Ash-Fox is right, KDE can save sessions.
[12:08] <crackhead_25> jonty: how do i do that?
[12:08] <Jonty> It's a setting somewhere in the control centre
[12:08] <beta> crackhead: i think kdes default setting is to restore the klast session anyway...so you can logout and then choose restart x session from the menu
[12:08] <beta> not 100 % sure though
[12:08] <RadiantFire> morvok: are you running it straight from the menu?
[12:09] <wimpies> what is the difference betwee linux-...-386 and ...-generic versions of the kernel ?
[12:09] <beta> im on dapper and per default it restores my last sessions
[12:09] <Jonty> wimpies: I assume 386 is more optimised for i886
[12:09] <wimpies> and related, which kernel headers should I preserve ?
[12:10] <wimpies> jonty : donno, my generic works just as good as the 386
[12:10] <morvok> RadiantFire: yes, I ran it from the menu looking for an error because Kaffiene refuses to load the video too.
[12:10] <RadiantFire> morvok: by chance, what video card do you have?
[12:10] <Jonty> wimpies: You'd only notice a slight difference, if any
[12:10] <kristjans> now what
[12:10] <morvok> RadiantFire: a nvidia geforce and 2 ati Radeons.  it worked before last reboot.
[12:10] <wimpies> jonty : question is which should I prefer having a Intel dual core duo
[12:10] <kristjans> "Incorrect nice value ... Please enter an integer between -20 and 19."
[12:11] <cosmo_>  I'm fairly new to the ubuntu OS and I have come across about 5 different ways, what is the best way for me to install the newest Nvidia drivers?
[12:12] <Jonty> cosmo_: whichever is easiest for you
[12:12] <RadiantFire> morvok: I dunno, maybe its being weird, however, if you run it from the cli, it will generally work. I have the problem sometimes, it just happens on some files though
[12:12] <Jonty> probably the one which involves as little stuff that isn't related to apt-get