[12:16] <jrib> beast_: result of this command:
[12:16] <jrib> apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre
[12:17] <beast_> i'm going to just post the result
[12:17] <beast_> 
[12:17] <beast_> sun-java6-jre:
[12:18] <beast_>   Installed: 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[12:18] <beast_>   Candidate: 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[12:18] <beast_>   Version table:
[12:18] <beast_>  *** 6-00-0ubuntu1~dapper1 0
[12:18] <beast_>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-backports/multiverse Packages
[12:18] <beast_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:18] <jrib> ok, please don't do that
[12:18] <beast_> i tryed pastebin
[12:18] <jrib> and?
[12:18] <beast_> how do i get it to show up in the chat room
[12:18] <beast_> i hit past it and it just showed up on top
[12:18] <jrib> you copy the url and paste it here
[12:19] <beast_> oh ok
[12:19] <beast_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10690/
[12:19] <beast_> like that?
[12:19] <jrib> yes
[12:20] <jrib> ok, that should give you java... what does this do:  ls /usr/bin/java
[12:21] <beast_> it returns /usr/bin/java
[12:21] <beast_> in red
[12:21] <jrib> beast_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:21] <jrib> choose the one that says "sun" somewhere
[12:23] <beast_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10692/
[12:23] <jrib> ok, now try: java -version
[12:24] <beast_> jrib: thank you so much
[12:24] <beast_> but hold on 1 sec
[12:24] <beast_> let me see if eclipse works
[12:24] <jrib> ok but be forewarned I don't use eclipse so I can't really help
[12:24] <beast_> would it be alright to get it from synaptic?
[12:25] <jrib> beast_: yes, that's the best way
[12:29] <beast_> jrib: when i try to open eclipse i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10693/
[12:31] <jrib> beast_: maybe you need sun-java6-jdk as well.  #ubuntu will be more helpful
[12:31] <beast_> but i downloaded it
[02:55] <nalioth> less static here, bruenig
[02:56] <lisapc> nalioth, yes? :)
[02:57] <nalioth> lisapc: have you considered renaming your ~/maria/.azureus to .azureus-old and trying again?
[02:57] <bruenig> I had that once with azureus when I used it, I just chown a+w everything and it worked
[02:58] <lisapc> well this is weird indeed
[02:58] <lisapc> can I run azuers as root always?
[02:58] <lisapc> it works when I type sudo ./azuerus
[02:58] <lisapc> or is that security risk?
[02:58] <bruenig> lisapc, ./azureus?
[02:58] <bruenig> ./azureus as in that is what you are running to launch azureus
[02:58] <lisapc> bruenig, thats how I start it
[02:58] <bruenig> you have represented that is being a directory
[02:59] <bruenig> s/is/as/
[02:59] <lisapc> when I start it, i type ./azureus from the folder I moved it to
[02:59] <lisapc> i type ./azureus  from /home/maria/stuff/azuerus folder
[02:59] <bruenig> lisapc, oh ok
[02:59] <lisapc> there is another way to start it?
[02:59] <nalioth> lisapc: i would not run ANYthing as superuser that you use as a user
[03:00] <lisapc> nalioth, so whats myu solution?
[03:00] <bruenig> lisapc, well all the permissions are enabled on everything in that folder right now, I don't know if it is an azureus problem or what but it really shouldn't matter
[03:00] <bruenig> sudo or not
[03:00] <lisapc> ok
[03:00] <nalioth> i suspect your azurerus got started using sudo and has given all it touched 'superuser' ownership
[03:00] <lisapc> just means i cant update or add plugins
[03:00] <lisapc> nalioth,  maybe
[03:00] <lisapc> any fix?
[03:00] <nalioth> lisapc: can you move your .azureus to .azureus-old and try it?
[03:01] <lisapc> nalioth,  ok brb
[03:01] <bruenig> lisapc, when I installed it, I put it in /opt and everything that happened happened in that directory, there was no .azureus directory IIRC
[03:01] <nalioth> and please don't run programs like azuereus using 'sudo'
[03:02] <lisapc> nalioth, I did at beginning out of ignorance
[03:02] <lisapc> have I been comprmised now?
[03:02] <lisapc> i been using it starting it as sudo
[03:02] <bruenig> lisapc, it isn't going to open you up to any attacks if that is what you are thinking
[03:02] <lisapc> has my system been infilatrated now?
[03:03] <lisapc> ok
[03:03] <nalioth> lisapc: it's just not a good practice at all to run userspace programs with sudo
[03:03] <nalioth> there are only a few programs that require superuser access, and those are for system maintenance, usually
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, that didnt help!  but I have noticed azuerus is not trying to write to that new folder I moved it to
[03:04] <nalioth> what i'm getting at is, if you have to start something with sudo just to make it go, something is probably wrong.
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, its trying to write to: /home/maria/.azuerus/plugins/
[03:04] <bruenig> lisapc, it isn't supposed to, it is supposed to create a new one
[03:04] <nalioth> you moved the azurues jar file?
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, notice, its different
[03:04] <lisapc> nalioth, I moved tghe wgole thing
[03:05] <lisapc> .azuerus folder is the problem
[03:05] <lisapc> not the folder when azuerus is
[03:05] <nalioth> you chanded it to .azureus-old, right?
[03:05] <lisapc> u mean to change that folder?
[03:06] <lisapc> brb
[03:06] <nalioth> lisapc: yes, rename your /home/maria/.azureus to /home/maria/.azureus-old or .azzureus-bak or something
[03:06] <lisapc> ok
[03:06] <lisapc> i created .azureus-old
[03:06] <nalioth> then when you restart azureus, it should create a whole new .azureus
[03:07] <lisapc> and moves evetrything from .azurues to that
[03:07] <lisapc> nalioth, ill try to load azur now
[03:07] <nalioth> no no no
[03:07] <nalioth> don't move anything
[03:10] <lisapc> nalioth, ok that fixed it :-)
[03:10] <lisapc> nalioth,  thanks a lot :)
[03:11] <lisapc> nalioth, all I had to do was delete .azureus and then load azureus as normal and it gave me setup again
[03:11] <nalioth> lisapc: if it requires sudo to run, something aint right. (unless it's a system maintenance tool)
[03:11] <lisapc> ir created .azureus again
[03:11] <nalioth> lisapc: yep
[03:12] <lisapc> nalioth, it run but it lept saying pesmission denied when I updated or added plugins
[03:12] <nalioth> lisapc: in fact. . .
[03:12] <lisapc> kept
[03:12] <nalioth> !gksudo
[03:12] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[03:12] <nalioth> !kdesu
[03:12] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:12] <nalioth> running some gui things using sudo may trash your permissions in a bad way
[03:13] <nalioth> as in, reassign your user permissions to the system
[03:13] <lisapc> nalioth, so always use gksudo for everything? even for apt-get update?
[03:13] <bruenig> nalioth, if it is all contained in the command line, use sudo, if it is a graphical application use gksudo
[03:13] <nalioth> lisapc: if it's a console program, use sudo
[03:13] <bruenig> s/nalioth/lisapc/
[03:13] <lisapc> nalioth,  got it :) ty
[03:13] <nalioth> if it's a graphical program you need to run as superuser, use gksudo or kdesu
[03:13] <bruenig> or gksu
[03:13] <lisapc> bruenig, ty for your last 30 mins help, i realise it was a long time to help me, thanks a lot
[03:14] <bruenig> lisapc, that appears to be my role in #ubuntu, you and jetfighter
[03:14] <nalioth> bruenig: i don't think we do gksu in Ubuntu
[03:14] <bruenig> gksudo is a symlink to gksu
[03:14] <lisapc> im very greateful for any help. i dont take it for granted
[03:14] <nalioth> bruenig: repeat customers? :P
[03:14] <lisapc> bruenig, heeh ;)
[03:15] <nalioth> welp, i'm fixing to compile k3b 1.0 and try my hand at swfdec
[03:20] <lisapc> nalioth, well it seems its broken after all!  now it says permission denied to save a file im downloading LOL
[03:20] <lisapc> im removing azureus for good :P
[03:20] <jrib> bruenig: It's different inside the code though, it checks how it is called
[03:21] <bruenig> does it really
[03:21] <nalioth> lisapc: i suspect you'll need to rename ALL the folders azureus touched before
[03:21] <bruenig> I have always used them interchangably
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth,  ok
[03:21] <nalioth> lisapc: when you start a program with 'sudo' everything it touches can be repermissioned
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth, yeah
[03:21] <lisapc> i underastand that now
[03:21] <lisapc> nalioth, so ill delete .azureus
[03:22] <nalioth> lisapc: have you looked at frostwire?
[03:22] <lisapc> nalioth, frostwire allows me to doanload linux torrent files?
[03:23] <bruenig> frostwire and azureus are both bloated garbage imo
[03:23] <nalioth> bruenig: i agree
[03:23] <nalioth> lisapc: frostwire is a completely open source version of azureus
[03:23] <lisapc> bruenig, but I liked azureus as it allowed me to encrypt header files.  my Australian ISP slows down torrent
[03:23] <nalioth> or am i completely confused
[03:23] <bruenig> I think frostwire is for limewire
[03:24] <nalioth> ah yes
[03:24] <bruenig> or I mean gnutella
[03:24] <lisapc> and when I use the enctryption in Azur, my ISP doesnt think its a torrent file
[03:24] <bruenig> azureus bloated java torrent client, frostwire bloated java gnutella client
[03:24] <lisapc> i dont think the other clients do encryption
[03:24] <bruenig> lisapc, utorrent does
[03:24] <nalioth> lisapc: why not use rtorrent ?
[03:25] <lisapc> does rtorrent do encryption?
[03:25] <bruenig> rtorrent might be a little above him/her
[03:25] <lisapc> bruenig, utorrent does?
[03:25] <nalioth> lisapc: does your isp quash torrents?
[03:25] <lisapc> nalioth, yeah
[03:25] <nalioth> wonder how they tell . . . .
[03:25] <lisapc> but when I used enrptiion on azur, it bypass it
[03:25] <bruenig> packets
[03:26] <lisapc> nalioth, by header files I heard
[03:26] <nalioth> i've not ever had any trouble with the ISP and torrents
[03:26] <lisapc> when I download linux torrent without encruption its 5kB/s and with it its 350kB/s
[03:26] <lisapc> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "utorrent"
[03:26] <bruenig> there is no official policy on blocking torrents with my ISP but I have noticed that if I go full speed for a couple of days my connection goes out for a few hours
[03:27] <bruenig> lisapc, it is a windows applications
[03:27] <bruenig> so you have to use wine
[03:27] <lisapc> bruenig, i use Ubuntu
[03:27] <lisapc> no thanks
[03:27] <nalioth> libtorrent.rakshasa.no  is the URL for rtorrent
[03:27] <lisapc> :P
[03:27] <lisapc> brb lunch time :
[03:27] <lisapc> :)
[03:27] <bruenig> lisapc, I use utorrent and ubuntu
[03:27] <nalioth> bruenig: why are you recommending windows stuff?
[03:27] <nalioth> heretic!
[03:28] <bruenig> utorrent is to be ported they say
[03:28] <bruenig> but until then, it is just to good and I rely on bittorrent too much to not use it
[03:28] <bruenig> since I have rss broadcatching setup for daily show and colbert report and real time with bill maher and some others
[03:28] <lisapc> bruenig, does uttorrent support peerguardian?
[03:28] <nalioth> i'd written my own frontend for bittorrent, but am giving rtorrent a go now
[03:29] <nalioth> lisapc: all that fancy stuff in azureus is nice, but not standard
[03:29] <bruenig> peerguardian seems like a joke to me
[03:29] <lisapc> bruenig, why a joke?
[03:29] <nalioth> lisapc: i torrent all the time with plain ol' bittorrent (and lately rtorrent) and not had any trouble at all
[03:29] <lisapc> whats available for U buntu?  ktorrent and what else?
[03:30] <bruenig> lisapc, all it does is block ranges of ips that are supposed to be the ones had by movie studios and other things like that, if those studios want to get into the swarm to get your ip, do you think that they can't get on a home pc and do it, come on
[03:30] <lisapc> bruenig, true
[03:30] <nalioth> lisapc: rtorrent, bittorrent, bittornado, (ktorrent is a frontend to bittorrent)
[03:30] <lisapc> nalioth, wghats the best?
[03:30] <bruenig> deluge-torrent
[03:31] <nalioth> lisapc: i wrote my own frontend to bittorrent (it is console only)
[03:31] <nalioth> lisapc: the "best" one is the one YOU like best
[03:31] <bruenig> !best
[03:31] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[03:31] <nalioth> but 1: i hate java
[03:31] <nalioth> 2: i don't like fancy gui crap
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth, cool
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth,  ;)
[03:32] <nalioth> you'll find that azureus will strangle your system within days of running
[03:32] <lisapc> nalioth, so I should use ktorrent only?
[03:32] <nalioth> i can run my console bittorrent for weeks (until nobody wants to leech any more) with no hit on the system
[03:33] <nalioth> i'm seeing rtorrent is similarly low-requirement
[03:33] <nalioth> lisapc: try them all, they're free
[03:33] <lisapc> damn
[03:33] <nalioth> lisapc: although i used to like bittornado-gui
[03:33] <lisapc> it seems my whole system says permissson denied now
[03:34] <nalioth> it's python
[03:34] <nalioth> lisapc: :(
[03:34] <lisapc> ever since I typed that command bruenig gave me
[03:34] <lisapc> bruenig, how can I change back?
[03:34] <nalioth> did you type it exactly as bruenig gave it to you?
[03:34] <lisapc> yep
[03:34] <lisapc> how can I stop (perimission denied) messages in my whole /home/maria ?
[03:35] <bruenig> lisapc, do ls -l /home
[03:35] <bruenig> who owns maria
[03:35] <lisapc> i do
[03:35] <lisapc> its my system
[03:35] <lisapc> my name is Lisa Maria
[03:35] <bruenig> then you shouldn't get permission denied
[03:35] <lisapc> i didnt until 30 mins ago
[03:35] <bruenig> lisapc, well my command didn't do it
[03:35] <lisapc> total 4
[03:36] <bruenig> my commands chowned stuff to you, and made things writable universally
[03:36] <lisapc> drwxr-xr-x 43 maria maria 4096 2007-03-17 13:31 maria
[03:36] <bruenig> those both add to the likelihood that you will have permission to do something
[03:36] <lisapc> well i get permission denied now trying to sve a file using ktorrent
[03:36] <lisapc> says i dont have permission to save the file
[03:37] <nalioth> lisapc: 'where' are you trying to save it?
[03:37] <lisapc> nalioth, that was the outpit
[03:37] <bruenig> to / of course
[03:37] <lisapc> nalioth, /home/maria/stuff
[03:37] <bruenig> lisapc, who owns stuff
[03:38] <lisapc> its my system
[03:38] <lisapc> im only person
[03:38] <bruenig> ls -l ~ | grep stuff
[03:38] <lisapc> whe I right click on it
[03:38] <lisapc> it says Maria
[03:38] <bruenig> then you should be able to write to it
[03:39] <nalioth> lisapc: i'm sorry to tell you this, but you have dozens of users on your system
[03:39] <lisapc> drwxr-xr-x 12 maria maria   4096 2007-03-17 13:38 stuff
[03:39] <lisapc> nalioth, what???
[03:39] <lisapc> dozens of users??
[03:39] <lisapc> i only added me
[03:39] <lisapc> at installation
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: on every *nix system, there are dozens of users
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: one of which is 'root'
[03:40] <lisapc> nix/
[03:40] <lisapc> ?
[03:40] <nalioth> lisapc: any unix variant = *nix
[03:40] <nalioth> bsd, linux, OSX, BeOS, solaris, etc
[03:41] <nalioth> when you start userland programs using 'sudo' your user permissions can be changed so that what used to be yours, may now be owned by 'root'
[03:44] <lisapc> wlel i learned a good lesson
[03:44] <lisapc> i realised what caused the peesmission error
[03:44] <lisapc> when I first started to dl that file, it was running Azurues as root
[03:45] <lisapc> and then i loaded ktorrent as normal and it wanted to resume
[03:45] <lisapc> so it gave permission denied
[03:48] <nalioth> yep, sudo can be bad. . .
[03:49] <lisapc> yeah
[03:49] <lisapc> i know that now :)
[03:50] <lisapc> so ill always use gkduso from no
[03:50] <lisapc> now
[03:50] <lisapc> was it gkduso or gksudo?
[03:50] <nalioth> lisapc: dont get discouraged . . .  i totalled several linux installs back in the days i was first using it
[03:50] <nalioth> gksudo
[03:50] <lisapc> yeah, i love learning
[03:51] <nalioth> hopefully you won't complete thrash your box . . .    :)
[03:51] <lisapc> in the words of Winston Churchill: Never, ever,ever,ever,ever give up!
[03:51] <lisapc> i live by those words :)
[03:51] <nalioth> it's best to learn from others mistakes, you know.
[03:51] <lisapc> giving up is for losers
[03:51] <lisapc> yep
[03:52] <lisapc> but the best teacher is personal experience, but as you said, its wise to learn from others mistakes so avoid to make them
[03:52] <lisapc> :-)
[03:53] <nalioth> well, neither k3b nor swfdec compiled  :(
[03:53] <nalioth> try again in a few months. . .
[03:55] <lisapc> nalioth,  whoo hoo
[03:55] <lisapc> i started again and now Azureus updates withhout any errors :)
[03:55] <lisapc> :)
[03:55] <nalioth> :)
[03:55] <lisapc> nalioth, why 3months?
[03:56] <nalioth> both the items i mentioned are "smoking hot new" and after a month or 3, there'll be feedback and bug reports to make them more compilable on different hardware
[03:58] <lisapc> ok
[03:58] <lisapc> nalioth, but keep in mind, if everyone did as you, then there would be no constructive feedback from anyone in 3months :)
[03:59] <lisapc> nalioth,  feedback comes a result of people not giving up after first attempt ;)
[03:59] <lisapc> nalioth, just thought I would mention that ;) hehe
[03:59] <nalioth> lisapc: i am quite vociferous with the developers
[04:00] <nalioth> they hate me in the handbrake channel
[04:00] <lisapc> Vociferous or Voracious? :)
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> vociferous is a fun word
[04:01] <nalioth> lisapc: a little of both, maybe
[04:01] <lisapc> hehe :)
[04:01] <lisapc> brb
[04:01] <nalioth> but i DID finally get handbrake compiled on my powerpc linux box
[04:02] <nalioth> lisapc: the reason i was so 'voracios' is that there is a 2 to 5 hour difference between running handbrake on my iMac (with the OSX gui) and running it on the console of my powerpc ubuntu box
[04:02] <nalioth> bleh
[04:03] <nalioth> takes ~45 minutes to rip and encode a dvd on my powerpc box and between 3 and 7 hours on the OSX box
[04:03] <nalioth> .... and the OSX box is newer and has faster hardware