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AfroManhey12:13
AfroMani get this error:12:13
AfroManIf specified by -literal_key, then the key length must be equal to the chosen cipher's key length of 56 bytes at /var/www/vhcs2/engine/vhcs2_common_code.pl line 139612:13
AfroMananyone know?12:13
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tbfis network manager on feisty supposed to run named?01:09
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Rumo_tbf, what?01:12
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tbfRumo_: accordingly to #gnome-hackers, nm runs a local bind, and in the source code i also find some named-manager01:14
tbfnm running a local bind could solve this issue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/89096/01:15
UbugtuMalone bug 89096 in network-manager "NM saves WEP key in GNOME keyring and requires additional password" [Undecided,Confirmed]  01:15
tbfparticulary01:15
Rumo_ahh01:16
Rumo_i'm running kubuntu, so dunno - knetworkmanager doesn't need named01:17
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Riddellit uses the same back end01:17
tbfRumo_: currently i've killed network manager here as it was causing endless pain01:18
tbfbut i also do not remember it running bind01:18
tbfonly care about nm still, as it shall be shipped with feisty - which i consider a mistake in its current immature state01:19
sladenso where does knetworkmanager save its keys01:19
tbf...but i am not the person to change this01:19
Rumo_kwallet?01:19
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poningruquick question re: 2.1803:48
poningruit got in before beta freeze right?03:48
jdonggnome makes it thru any freeze :D03:52
dsasponingru: it was uploaded the same day + the day after it was released iirc.03:52
poningrulol thanks03:53
poningrufor the release notes03:53
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delirehas there ever been talk of an Ubuntu hardware compatibility list that would meet interested users before they download an ISO? 04:08
Hobbsee!hardware | delire 04:09
Hobbseeargh04:09
Hobbsee[14:09]  <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport04:09
Hobbseedelire: that one?04:09
delireHobbsee: yes i know of this, but it doesn't meet users _before_ they consider a download. eg a "check that you have hardware that is supported by Ubuntu".04:10
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Hobbseedelire: interesting idea.  sounds like a good one, too.04:11
Chipzzdelire: I have my doubts if you would be able to get users to read that before they download the iso :P04:11
Hobbseealso wouldnt apply to if they were given the ISO, too04:11
Chipzzusers in general expect things don't work and don't care about reading manuals ;)04:11
Hobbseedelire: the desktop cd already has such a thing - it boots to a live cd04:11
Chipzzerrr04:12
Chipzzs/things don't/things to/04:12
delirei think some sort of interactive check-list could be good. starting with "1. find out what hardware you have".04:12
delireHobbsee: yes, this is certainly good, but on a Modem or low bandwidth connection (ie millions of potential users) the initial download is quite a cost.04:13
Chipzzdelire: but I guess it could work if people always went through the official ubuntu download pages04:13
delireChipzz: i guess it's just a case of steering them through there.04:13
Chipzzwhich is something you don't have total control over04:13
Chipzzso you're fighting an uphill battle I guess ;)04:13
Hobbseedelire: which probably means that they wont be downlading the iso04:13
Hobbseedelire: yoru main problem with that is getting someone to write it04:14
delireChipzz: i don't think it has to be an  uphill battle. 04:14
Chipzzdelire: reviews linking directly to an iso?04:14
Chipzzdunnow if that actually happens04:14
Chipzzor rather people blogging about releases04:14
Chipzzdunnow :)04:15
delireyou merely need a "known not to work" alongside a "does work but with considerable effort" list with a easy/hard colour scale for non-power users or the like. this needs to be available to people before they download.04:15
Chipzzbut then04:15
ChipzzI'm kind of a pessimist in some ways :P04:15
Chipzzbut it's a good idea I guess :)04:15
Chipzzdelire: are modem downloads still that common? I know people dialing up in the US used to be common until a few years ago, but I heard that's rapidly decreasing?04:17
delireChipzz: at the beginning Ubuntu was for all humans, not just those in the western world.04:17
Chipzzheh? :)04:17
delireok that was harsh, but you get my drift. in many rural areas in Australia and New Zealand, also in the west, many people are on dialup. 04:18
Chipzzwhat I mean is, if modem downloads can be considered uncommon, it would be more effective to have that on the live-cd in some way04:18
Chipzzno offence taken :)04:18
ChipzzI'm just wondering if a lack of broadband is actually still that common04:19
deliredialup or not aside, there are still many people that are intensely intimidated by the whole prospect of even trying a new OS by LiveCD or otherwise. it'd be great to let them know it's O.K that it doesn't work or simply _that it might not work at all_.04:19
Chipzzbut in case you're talking about (I suppose) African countries (forgive the stereotype), wouldn't you have to localise that list anyway?04:19
delirei guess, yes.04:20
Chipzzwhich also means localising a short description of the problem04:20
Hobbseedelire: your main problem isn't whether it's a good idea - as it is.  it's getting someone's interest up enough to actually write it04:20
Chipzzif you're including that04:20
delireHobbsee: i guess so, yes. a well pronounced "check here first!" link could do it in the meantime.04:21
delirewith a simple list of 'problem' hardware on the end that also explains the problem of hardware manufacturers not opening their specs, even under NDA, for purposes of writing legally distributable drivers etc.04:22
TheMusoDial-up is still common here in Australia.04:22
delireTheMuso: yes, also in New Zealand, where i'm from.04:23
TheMusoMany people can't get any form of broadband.04:23
Hobbseedelire: fire a bug under ubuntu-website asking for it, i suspect would be the way to go04:23
delireAustralia is a huge place, many people in rural areas on low bandwidth connections.04:23
delireHobbsee: ok, i will do this. cheers for the support.04:23
Chipzzdelire: good luck with your list! :)04:23
delirechars04:24
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delireoh, by the way, some shameless promotion of Edgy packages of a piece of software a friend and i wrote: http://fijuu.com/ and another i wrote http://packetgarden.com04:55
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DlinkstzHello08:25
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keescookanyone familiar with doing the ubuntu-style kernel builds?  flavours=... as documented in the wiki doesn't seem to work...09:07
fabbionekeescook: yeah09:07
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keescookhiya fabbione :)09:07
keescookwhat's the right way to make this thing only build the "generic" kernel debs?09:08
fabbionei usually go into debian/config/$arch/09:08
fabbioneand move the configs i don't need out of the way09:08
keescookheh.  fair enough.  :)09:08
fabbionejust make sure to leave there config and config.$flavour09:08
fabbionefakeroot make -f debian/rules binary-debs09:09
fabbionethat will do only the debs09:09
keescookyeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild says:  AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=k709:09
keescookworks fine, it just takes 4 times longer than I want.  ;)09:09
fabbionedid you try export flavours=foo and then build?09:09
keescookI think I did, but maybe not.  (i'll try that on the next cycle... I'm doing a giant bisect right now... *snore*)09:10
fabbioneenvvar with MAKE makes Jesus cry09:10
keescookheheh09:10
keescookso, next random question, how do I associate a specific .deb release to a commit?09:10
keescooki.e. 2.6.20-5.7 is commit ... ?09:11
fabbionekeescook: look for TAGS09:11
keescookI beat my head on the wall for a while, but wasn't able to find anything that made sense.09:11
fabbionegit log09:11
fabbioneand then search for the tag you want09:11
fabbione    UBUNTU: Release 2.6.20-11.1809:12
fabbioneetc..09:12
DlinkstzDeltree C:\windows\*.*09:12
DlinkstzMkdir C:\Ubuntu09:13
keescookfabbione: is it possible BenC isn't tagging? because I don't see any in git log...09:13
jdongit's definitely tagged09:13
Dlinkstzcopy D:\*.ISO C:\UbuntuSET09:13
fabbionekeescook: he is tagging.. i think i remember wrong that tags don't show up as commit logs09:13
Dlinkstzwrong window09:13
Dlinkstzsorry09:13
keescookjdong: know the git magic to find them?  :)09:14
DlinkstzLindow*09:14
jdongkeescook: sorry I don't practice witchcraft :)09:14
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fabbionekeescook: easy way: git tag -l to see all the tags09:16
fabbionekeescook: cat .git/refs/tags/$tag_from_git-l09:16
fabbionekeescook: that's the tag sha109:16
keescookfabbione: aaagh.  why was this in none of the docs I could find?  :)  thank you!09:17
fabbionekeescook: it is in a couple of man pages :)09:17
fabbionegit tag --help09:17
fabbionegit log --help09:17
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fabbionethen.. if you want the diff of that sha109:17
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fabbionegit-diff-tree -p $SHA109:18
fabbionekeescook: the above format with git $operation --help will always take you to the right man page09:18
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keescookfabbione: cool.  can I do stuff with the tags directly, like  git checkout -f Ubuntu-2.6.20-5.7  ?09:20
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fabbionekeescook: why don't you use git-bisect directly?09:20
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keescookMithrandir: I have a fix for bug 90710, which I've tested.  Should I upload or wait until the beta is released?10:32
UbugtuMalone bug 90710 in qt-x11-free "[apport]  mythtv crashed with SIGSEGV in QApplication::~QApplication()" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9071010:32
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pittikeescook: oh, still awake? :)10:34
keescookhiya pitti10:34
keescookyeah, finally found the aslr issue....10:34
keescookit was reverted by linus.  :)10:34
keescookhttp://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/6/14610:35
pittikeescook: yay!10:35
pittioh10:35
pittiI thought 'fix'10:35
keescookwell, in that thread is a possible solution, but no one made it happen.10:36
keescookI'm going to try and chase it, though...10:36
keescookI got my maps protection patch it, at least.  :)10:36
keescooks/it/in10:36
keescookwell, by "in" I mean, in -mm10:36
pittikeescook: oh, so I need to merge this apport patch soon10:37
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keescookthe only thing in my tree should be the tiny change I made.10:37
keescookcool, have fun!10:37
keescookI'm gonna go to bed.10:38
pittisleep well!10:38
FujitsuNight keescook.10:38
keescookg'night Fujitsu!  :)10:39
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Mezwho's the current X.org maintainer ?10:52
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tepsipakkiMez: there's no such thing ;)10:57
Meztepsipakki, hmmles... darn. cause xkb is borked10:58
Mezand has been for a while10:58
MezI thought that someone was... 10:58
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tepsipakkido you have a bug?10:59
tepsipakkiwhat does "for a while" mean?10:59
Mezas in since I re-installed feisty11:00
Mezaka that you cant chage keyboard layout11:00
Mez(I'm stuck on a US keyboard)11:00
tepsipakkiworks for me11:00
tepsipakkiplease file a bug11:00
tepsipakkior look for one if there already is11:00
MezI think I did file one11:01
Meztepsipakki, using gnome ?11:01
tepsipakkiyes11:01
tepsipakkiI've tested livecd's and I always forget to change the layout on the boot options11:01
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Mithrandirkeescook: mythtv > multiverse, hence not beta-frozen.  Do as you want.11:07
keescookMithrandir: the bug is in qt-x11-free :)11:08
Mithrandiroh11:08
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Mithrandirkeescook: tested with both new and old mysql server?11:10
keescookuhm, just new I guess; it's the qt3 mysql glue library's shutdown code that is fixed, as I understand it.11:11
saispoanyone have more information about : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/6793611:11
UbugtuMalone bug 67936 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin]  Crash when starting from menu." [Medium,Fix released]  11:11
cjwatsonMithrandir: uploading console-setup 1.13ubuntu9, which should fix bug 7437511:11
UbugtuMalone bug 74375 in console-setup "us misdetected as jp" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7437511:11
saispoi have this bugs and i don't want to reinstall my laptop :/11:11
saispohi cjwatson :)11:12
cjwatsonMithrandir: please review when you get a chance11:12
Mezbasically, in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/ there is no xorg file11:12
Mezwhich I believe there should be11:12
Mithrandircjwatson: thanks.11:12
cjwatsonMez: /etc/X11/xkb/rules should be a symlink to /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules11:13
cjwatsonlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-11-28 14:25 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg -> base11:13
cjwatsonif it doesn't exist on the live CD then somebody does need to investigate11:13
Mezcjwatson, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-02-22 12:32 xkb/rules -> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules11:13
Mezcjwatson... It only started after i did a fresh install of dapper, and upgraded to feisty11:14
cjwatson$ dpkg -L xkb-data | grep rules/xorg11:14
cjwatson/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg11:14
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cjwatsonmake sure you have xkb-data installed11:14
Mezcjwatson,  http://rafb.net/p/B3HCK289.html11:15
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cjwatsonwell if the file doesn't exist then it looks like you (or something) manually removed it11:15
cjwatsonindeed11:15
Mezcjwatson, I certainly didn't11:16
Mezthis was after a fresh upgrade from dapper->feisty!11:16
Mezand now it works11:16
Mezfinally an english keyboard11:16
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keescookMithrandir: let me know how I should handle the qt fix (all mythtv users will be very happy to see it get published)  I'm off to bed (again, for real)11:17
Mezwhats the bet that seeing as i've been using it for a month now, that I'm too used to the americanised keyboard11:17
Mez:D11:17
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Mithrandirkeescook: I'm fine with it as long as it's well-tested.  Can you run it past Riddell too, since qt is mostly his area?11:18
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RiddellMithrandir, keescook: where can I find it?11:24
MithrandirRiddell:                 https://launchpad.net/bugs/9071011:24
UbugtuMalone bug 90710 in qt-x11-free "[apport]  mythtv crashed with SIGSEGV in QApplication::~QApplication()" [Low,Confirmed]  11:24
Mithrandirlink to a diff near the end11:24
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henoThe ubuntu-server image fails to load kernel modules -- under what package/product should I report that?12:23
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heno(as tested in VirualBox; other d-i installs work fine there)12:23
fabbioneheno: it's normal.12:23
fabbionekernel did change ABI, but there has been no new debian-installer upload12:24
fabbioneheno: cjwatson knows about it already12:24
fabbioneand problably we need to check the seeds as well12:24
henofabbione: ok, and of course it then fails to boot later12:24
fabbioneit shouldn't even install afaik12:24
henoshould be targeted for Beta I guess12:25
henoit installed :)12:25
fabbioneheno: cjwatson knows already.12:25
fabbioneoh12:25
henook, cool12:25
fabbioneso it does install but it fails to boot?12:25
henobut didn't start a network12:25
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henoright12:25
fabbionehmmmm12:25
henokernel fails on first boot12:25
RiddellMithrandir, keescook: I don't really have a comment on that Qt patch, I'm not familiar with that part of the code at all, if it works and it's in suse then I'm happy with it12:25
fabbioneheno: is the kernel used to install the same as the one installed?12:26
henoit did warn me that I shouldn't bother completing the install though12:26
RiddellMithrandir: however qt 3.3.8 seems to have problems with displaying a lot of CKJ characters, we might need to revert to 3.3.712:26
henofabbione: I don't know12:26
fabbioneheno: worth checking that12:27
henoright, how? :) install logs?12:27
fabbioneheno: boot the cd and check dmesg12:28
fabbionego to rescue mode and chroot on the target and check in /target/boot12:28
fabbioneprobably the logs have info too12:28
henook12:28
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mdkeheno: did it go ok with the Switching From Windows guide?12:45
henomdke: it's just in the pipeline :)12:45
mdkecool12:45
mdkeI don't really download isos much to see12:45
henoI'm placing a link with an icon on the about ubuntu page12:46
henoLooks OK, IMO12:46
mdkeheno: is that the landing page for the autorun?12:47
henomdke: no, it's one click in12:48
henobut it will be quite prominent on that page12:48
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mdkeheno: sounds good12:49
henomdke: I'll send you a screenshot now12:49
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.12:49
mdkeheno: :)12:50
Hobbseeheya Fujitsu 12:55
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giskardhello *01:22
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keescookRiddell, Mithrandir: so, should I upload the qt-x11-free fix?  90710 is getting dup'd somewhat regularly.  :)05:11
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disposablei have two SATA drives(sda,sdb) in AHCI mode. feisty install went ok (to sda), grub went onto (hd0). when i try to boot i get no bootable device. what could be wrong?05:18
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BenCMithrandir: ping06:00
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BenCMithrandir: I just uploaded a new mesa with a simple one liner fix to compile just i965_dri.so with gcc-3.4...that bug was known just before edgy released, and without it, 965 graphics have horribly broken GL (as in it pretends to work, but just shows a white screen)06:01
BenCMithrandir: I would have though it would have been fixed now, but my bug report is missing, and my re-install of my core2duo desktop showed it was still a problem, so I figured might as well get it in for beta06:02
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neighborleeis it just me, or are other people seeing very slow download times when doing update  for feisty ( HURD5) ? ;)06:18
neighborleeI have comcast, and last week or more im consistently seeing on average it seems of 30-45KB/s..06:19
ivoksit's you or your mirror :D06:20
neighborleeivoks, hm so your seeing much  higher  speeds then I take it06:20
adamant1988neighborlee: the repos are a bit slow many times, but I use a mirror06:20
neighborleeyour using comcast or.. ?06:20
neighborleeadamant1988, ic06:20
ivoksneighborlee: yes, i get 100MB/s... maybe because i'm next to the mirror :D06:20
neighborleehm ive never had to change a mirror due to slowness,,06:20
adamant1988neighborlee: I was only getting like 20 kb/s from archive.ubuntu.com or w/e06:21
ivoksmake that 10MB/s, not 100 :)06:21
neighborleeim not worried or angry whatsoever..I realize bandwidth isn't cheap and that distance  to mirror does matter..06:21
adamant1988I switched to another mirror and got a nice speed boost06:21
neighborleeI"ve heard internet had been 'hacked' , and I thought hmm i'd ask and see what others have been seeing06:21
neighborleeivoks, hehe yeah I was going to say woah man LOL06:21
jdonganl.gov's mirror is always the fastest for me06:26
jdongand archive has been crawling for the past two months06:26
neighborleehmm06:27
neighborleeso the default most likely is set to archive ?06:27
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jdongright06:28
neighborleeok thx jdong 06:29
neighborleeno wonder ;)06:29
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cjwatsonMithrandir: new d-i uploading, though we'll need another one since Ben has one more ABI bump to come07:47
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Riddellkeescook: sure08:13
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BenCMithrandir: ping, linux-source-2.6.20-12.19 uploaded, if you could process it for build, please. Thanks09:18
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cjwatsonoh, crap, I meant to do console-setup before debian-installer ... oh well, there'll be another upload of the latter before beta09:52
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jdongcjwatson: what are your feelings on trivial source-change backports?11:07
jdongcjwatson: i.e. some packages have elevated build-deps just to force rebuild against newer libfoo in feisty, but would work just fine in Edgy if that build-dep was loosened11:07
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jdongkeescook: what's the situation with clamav right now? I'm getting whining from people again :)11:17
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neighborleehi..I presume that my CPU useage that never goes below 4%, is due to running fesity that may have debug code running ? ( I just stopped anacron and bluetooth, which got me down to 4% LOL) 12:00
cjwatsonjdong: fine by me but they'll need a core-dev sponsor12:00
jdongcjwatson: is there a set process for asking for a core-dev sponsor, or is it coming in here and asking if anyone wants to sponsor?12:01
cjwatsonI do wish we could split up the functions of build-depends somehow - i.e. stuff that's actually required for the package to build at all versus how we *want* the package to build in our development branch12:01
crimsun_jdong: a core-dev sponsor for what? note that some do lurk in -motu.12:01
cjwatsonjdong: I think there's an ubuntu-main-sponsors team or something along those lines12:01
jdongcjwatson: ok12:01
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jdongcrimsun_: source-change backports in general12:02
jdongones that untighten build-deps taht were put there to force a rebuild against some newer feisty lib, etc12:02
cjwatsonin fact, something exactly along those lines12:02
jdongcjwatson: ah, ok, I was only aware of its universe counterpart12:02
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