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[12:13] <AfroMan> hey
[12:13] <AfroMan> i get this error:
[12:13] <AfroMan> If specified by -literal_key, then the key length must be equal to the chosen cipher's key length of 56 bytes at /var/www/vhcs2/engine/vhcs2_common_code.pl line 1396
[12:13] <AfroMan> anyone know?
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[01:09] <tbf> is network manager on feisty supposed to run named?
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[01:12] <Rumo_> tbf, what?
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[01:14] <tbf> Rumo_: accordingly to #gnome-hackers, nm runs a local bind, and in the source code i also find some named-manager
[01:15] <tbf> nm running a local bind could solve this issue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/89096/
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89096 in network-manager "NM saves WEP key in GNOME keyring and requires additional password" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[01:15] <tbf> particulary
[01:16] <Rumo_> ahh
[01:17] <Rumo_> i'm running kubuntu, so dunno - knetworkmanager doesn't need named
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[01:17] <Riddell> it uses the same back end
[01:18] <tbf> Rumo_: currently i've killed network manager here as it was causing endless pain
[01:18] <tbf> but i also do not remember it running bind
[01:19] <tbf> only care about nm still, as it shall be shipped with feisty - which i consider a mistake in its current immature state
[01:19] <sladen> so where does knetworkmanager save its keys
[01:19] <tbf> ...but i am not the person to change this
[01:19] <Rumo_> kwallet?
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[03:48] <poningru> quick question re: 2.18
[03:48] <poningru> it got in before beta freeze right?
[03:52] <jdong> gnome makes it thru any freeze :D
[03:52] <dsas> poningru: it was uploaded the same day + the day after it was released iirc.
[03:53] <poningru> lol thanks
[03:53] <poningru> for the release notes
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[04:08] <delire> has there ever been talk of an Ubuntu hardware compatibility list that would meet interested users before they download an ISO? 
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !hardware | delire 
[04:09] <Hobbsee> argh
[04:09] <Hobbsee> [14:09]  <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[04:09] <Hobbsee> delire: that one?
[04:10] <delire> Hobbsee: yes i know of this, but it doesn't meet users _before_ they consider a download. eg a "check that you have hardware that is supported by Ubuntu".
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[04:11] <Hobbsee> delire: interesting idea.  sounds like a good one, too.
[04:11] <Chipzz> delire: I have my doubts if you would be able to get users to read that before they download the iso :P
[04:11] <Hobbsee> also wouldnt apply to if they were given the ISO, too
[04:11] <Chipzz> users in general expect things don't work and don't care about reading manuals ;)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> delire: the desktop cd already has such a thing - it boots to a live cd
[04:12] <Chipzz> errr
[04:12] <Chipzz> s/things don't/things to/
[04:12] <delire> i think some sort of interactive check-list could be good. starting with "1. find out what hardware you have".
[04:13] <delire> Hobbsee: yes, this is certainly good, but on a Modem or low bandwidth connection (ie millions of potential users) the initial download is quite a cost.
[04:13] <Chipzz> delire: but I guess it could work if people always went through the official ubuntu download pages
[04:13] <delire> Chipzz: i guess it's just a case of steering them through there.
[04:13] <Chipzz> which is something you don't have total control over
[04:13] <Chipzz> so you're fighting an uphill battle I guess ;)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> delire: which probably means that they wont be downlading the iso
[04:14] <Hobbsee> delire: yoru main problem with that is getting someone to write it
[04:14] <delire> Chipzz: i don't think it has to be an  uphill battle. 
[04:14] <Chipzz> delire: reviews linking directly to an iso?
[04:14] <Chipzz> dunnow if that actually happens
[04:14] <Chipzz> or rather people blogging about releases
[04:15] <Chipzz> dunnow :)
[04:15] <delire> you merely need a "known not to work" alongside a "does work but with considerable effort" list with a easy/hard colour scale for non-power users or the like. this needs to be available to people before they download.
[04:15] <Chipzz> but then
[04:15] <Chipzz> I'm kind of a pessimist in some ways :P
[04:15] <Chipzz> but it's a good idea I guess :)
[04:17] <Chipzz> delire: are modem downloads still that common? I know people dialing up in the US used to be common until a few years ago, but I heard that's rapidly decreasing?
[04:17] <delire> Chipzz: at the beginning Ubuntu was for all humans, not just those in the western world.
[04:17] <Chipzz> heh? :)
[04:18] <delire> ok that was harsh, but you get my drift. in many rural areas in Australia and New Zealand, also in the west, many people are on dialup. 
[04:18] <Chipzz> what I mean is, if modem downloads can be considered uncommon, it would be more effective to have that on the live-cd in some way
[04:18] <Chipzz> no offence taken :)
[04:19] <Chipzz> I'm just wondering if a lack of broadband is actually still that common
[04:19] <delire> dialup or not aside, there are still many people that are intensely intimidated by the whole prospect of even trying a new OS by LiveCD or otherwise. it'd be great to let them know it's O.K that it doesn't work or simply _that it might not work at all_.
[04:19] <Chipzz> but in case you're talking about (I suppose) African countries (forgive the stereotype), wouldn't you have to localise that list anyway?
[04:20] <delire> i guess, yes.
[04:20] <Chipzz> which also means localising a short description of the problem
[04:20] <Hobbsee> delire: your main problem isn't whether it's a good idea - as it is.  it's getting someone's interest up enough to actually write it
[04:20] <Chipzz> if you're including that
[04:21] <delire> Hobbsee: i guess so, yes. a well pronounced "check here first!" link could do it in the meantime.
[04:22] <delire> with a simple list of 'problem' hardware on the end that also explains the problem of hardware manufacturers not opening their specs, even under NDA, for purposes of writing legally distributable drivers etc.
[04:22] <TheMuso> Dial-up is still common here in Australia.
[04:23] <delire> TheMuso: yes, also in New Zealand, where i'm from.
[04:23] <TheMuso> Many people can't get any form of broadband.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> delire: fire a bug under ubuntu-website asking for it, i suspect would be the way to go
[04:23] <delire> Australia is a huge place, many people in rural areas on low bandwidth connections.
[04:23] <delire> Hobbsee: ok, i will do this. cheers for the support.
[04:23] <Chipzz> delire: good luck with your list! :)
[04:24] <delire> chars
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[04:55] <delire> oh, by the way, some shameless promotion of Edgy packages of a piece of software a friend and i wrote: http://fijuu.com/ and another i wrote http://packetgarden.com
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[08:25] <Dlinkstz> Hello
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[09:07] <keescook> anyone familiar with doing the ubuntu-style kernel builds?  flavours=... as documented in the wiki doesn't seem to work...
[09:07] <fabbione> keescook: yeah
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[09:07] <keescook> hiya fabbione :)
[09:08] <keescook> what's the right way to make this thing only build the "generic" kernel debs?
[09:08] <fabbione> i usually go into debian/config/$arch/
[09:08] <fabbione> and move the configs i don't need out of the way
[09:08] <keescook> heh.  fair enough.  :)
[09:08] <fabbione> just make sure to leave there config and config.$flavour
[09:09] <fabbione> fakeroot make -f debian/rules binary-debs
[09:09] <fabbione> that will do only the debs
[09:09] <keescook> yeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild says:  AUTOBUILD=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=k7
[09:09] <keescook> works fine, it just takes 4 times longer than I want.  ;)
[09:09] <fabbione> did you try export flavours=foo and then build?
[09:10] <keescook> I think I did, but maybe not.  (i'll try that on the next cycle... I'm doing a giant bisect right now... *snore*)
[09:10] <fabbione> envvar with MAKE makes Jesus cry
[09:10] <keescook> heheh
[09:10] <keescook> so, next random question, how do I associate a specific .deb release to a commit?
[09:11] <keescook> i.e. 2.6.20-5.7 is commit ... ?
[09:11] <fabbione> keescook: look for TAGS
[09:11] <keescook> I beat my head on the wall for a while, but wasn't able to find anything that made sense.
[09:11] <fabbione> git log
[09:11] <fabbione> and then search for the tag you want
[09:12] <fabbione>     UBUNTU: Release 2.6.20-11.18
[09:12] <fabbione> etc..
[09:12] <Dlinkstz> Deltree C:\windows\*.*
[09:13] <Dlinkstz> Mkdir C:\Ubuntu
[09:13] <keescook> fabbione: is it possible BenC isn't tagging? because I don't see any in git log...
[09:13] <jdong> it's definitely tagged
[09:13] <Dlinkstz> copy D:\*.ISO C:\UbuntuSET
[09:13] <fabbione> keescook: he is tagging.. i think i remember wrong that tags don't show up as commit logs
[09:13] <Dlinkstz> wrong window
[09:13] <Dlinkstz> sorry
[09:14] <keescook> jdong: know the git magic to find them?  :)
[09:14] <Dlinkstz> Lindow*
[09:14] <jdong> keescook: sorry I don't practice witchcraft :)
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[09:16] <fabbione> keescook: easy way: git tag -l to see all the tags
[09:16] <fabbione> keescook: cat .git/refs/tags/$tag_from_git-l
[09:16] <fabbione> keescook: that's the tag sha1
[09:17] <keescook> fabbione: aaagh.  why was this in none of the docs I could find?  :)  thank you!
[09:17] <fabbione> keescook: it is in a couple of man pages :)
[09:17] <fabbione> git tag --help
[09:17] <fabbione> git log --help
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[09:17] <fabbione> then.. if you want the diff of that sha1
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[09:18] <fabbione> git-diff-tree -p $SHA1
[09:18] <fabbione> keescook: the above format with git $operation --help will always take you to the right man page
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[09:20] <keescook> fabbione: cool.  can I do stuff with the tags directly, like  git checkout -f Ubuntu-2.6.20-5.7  ?
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[09:20] <fabbione> keescook: why don't you use git-bisect directly?
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[10:32] <keescook> Mithrandir: I have a fix for bug 90710, which I've tested.  Should I upload or wait until the beta is released?
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90710 in qt-x11-free "[apport]  mythtv crashed with SIGSEGV in QApplication::~QApplication()" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90710
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[10:34] <pitti> keescook: oh, still awake? :)
[10:34] <keescook> hiya pitti
[10:34] <keescook> yeah, finally found the aslr issue....
[10:34] <keescook> it was reverted by linus.  :)
[10:35] <keescook> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/6/146
[10:35] <pitti> keescook: yay!
[10:35] <pitti> oh
[10:35] <pitti> I thought 'fix'
[10:36] <keescook> well, in that thread is a possible solution, but no one made it happen.
[10:36] <keescook> I'm going to try and chase it, though...
[10:36] <keescook> I got my maps protection patch it, at least.  :)
[10:36] <keescook> s/it/in
[10:36] <keescook> well, by "in" I mean, in -mm
[10:37] <pitti> keescook: oh, so I need to merge this apport patch soon
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[10:37] <keescook> the only thing in my tree should be the tiny change I made.
[10:37] <keescook> cool, have fun!
[10:38] <keescook> I'm gonna go to bed.
[10:38] <pitti> sleep well!
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Night keescook.
[10:39] <keescook> g'night Fujitsu!  :)
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[10:52] <Mez> who's the current X.org maintainer ?
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[10:57] <tepsipakki> Mez: there's no such thing ;)
[10:58] <Mez> tepsipakki, hmmles... darn. cause xkb is borked
[10:58] <Mez> and has been for a while
[10:58] <Mez> I thought that someone was... 
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[10:59] <tepsipakki> do you have a bug?
[10:59] <tepsipakki> what does "for a while" mean?
[11:00] <Mez> as in since I re-installed feisty
[11:00] <Mez> aka that you cant chage keyboard layout
[11:00] <Mez> (I'm stuck on a US keyboard)
[11:00] <tepsipakki> works for me
[11:00] <tepsipakki> please file a bug
[11:00] <tepsipakki> or look for one if there already is
[11:01] <Mez> I think I did file one
[11:01] <Mez> tepsipakki, using gnome ?
[11:01] <tepsipakki> yes
[11:01] <tepsipakki> I've tested livecd's and I always forget to change the layout on the boot options
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[11:07] <Mithrandir> keescook: mythtv > multiverse, hence not beta-frozen.  Do as you want.
[11:08] <keescook> Mithrandir: the bug is in qt-x11-free :)
[11:08] <Mithrandir> oh
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[11:10] <Mithrandir> keescook: tested with both new and old mysql server?
[11:11] <keescook> uhm, just new I guess; it's the qt3 mysql glue library's shutdown code that is fixed, as I understand it.
[11:11] <saispo> anyone have more information about : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/67936
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67936 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin]  Crash when starting from menu." [Medium,Fix released]  
[11:11] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: uploading console-setup 1.13ubuntu9, which should fix bug 74375
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74375 in console-setup "us misdetected as jp" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74375
[11:11] <saispo> i have this bugs and i don't want to reinstall my laptop :/
[11:12] <saispo> hi cjwatson :)
[11:12] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: please review when you get a chance
[11:12] <Mez> basically, in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/ there is no xorg file
[11:12] <Mez> which I believe there should be
[11:12] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: thanks.
[11:13] <cjwatson> Mez: /etc/X11/xkb/rules should be a symlink to /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules
[11:13] <cjwatson> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-11-28 14:25 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg -> base
[11:13] <cjwatson> if it doesn't exist on the live CD then somebody does need to investigate
[11:13] <Mez> cjwatson, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-02-22 12:32 xkb/rules -> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules
[11:14] <Mez> cjwatson... It only started after i did a fresh install of dapper, and upgraded to feisty
[11:14] <cjwatson> $ dpkg -L xkb-data | grep rules/xorg
[11:14] <cjwatson> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg
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[11:14] <cjwatson> make sure you have xkb-data installed
[11:15] <Mez> cjwatson,  http://rafb.net/p/B3HCK289.html
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[11:15] <cjwatson> well if the file doesn't exist then it looks like you (or something) manually removed it
[11:15] <cjwatson> indeed
[11:16] <Mez> cjwatson, I certainly didn't
[11:16] <Mez> this was after a fresh upgrade from dapper->feisty!
[11:16] <Mez> and now it works
[11:16] <Mez> finally an english keyboard
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[11:17] <keescook> Mithrandir: let me know how I should handle the qt fix (all mythtv users will be very happy to see it get published)  I'm off to bed (again, for real)
[11:17] <Mez> whats the bet that seeing as i've been using it for a month now, that I'm too used to the americanised keyboard
[11:17] <Mez> :D
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[11:18] <Mithrandir> keescook: I'm fine with it as long as it's well-tested.  Can you run it past Riddell too, since qt is mostly his area?
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[11:24] <Riddell> Mithrandir, keescook: where can I find it?
[11:24] <Mithrandir> Riddell:                 https://launchpad.net/bugs/90710
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90710 in qt-x11-free "[apport]  mythtv crashed with SIGSEGV in QApplication::~QApplication()" [Low,Confirmed]  
[11:24] <Mithrandir> link to a diff near the end
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[12:23] <heno> The ubuntu-server image fails to load kernel modules -- under what package/product should I report that?
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[12:23] <heno> (as tested in VirualBox; other d-i installs work fine there)
[12:23] <fabbione> heno: it's normal.
[12:24] <fabbione> kernel did change ABI, but there has been no new debian-installer upload
[12:24] <fabbione> heno: cjwatson knows about it already
[12:24] <fabbione> and problably we need to check the seeds as well
[12:24] <heno> fabbione: ok, and of course it then fails to boot later
[12:24] <fabbione> it shouldn't even install afaik
[12:25] <heno> should be targeted for Beta I guess
[12:25] <heno> it installed :)
[12:25] <fabbione> heno: cjwatson knows already.
[12:25] <fabbione> oh
[12:25] <heno> ok, cool
[12:25] <fabbione> so it does install but it fails to boot?
[12:25] <heno> but didn't start a network
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[12:25] <heno> right
[12:25] <fabbione> hmmmm
[12:25] <heno> kernel fails on first boot
[12:25] <Riddell> Mithrandir, keescook: I don't really have a comment on that Qt patch, I'm not familiar with that part of the code at all, if it works and it's in suse then I'm happy with it
[12:26] <fabbione> heno: is the kernel used to install the same as the one installed?
[12:26] <heno> it did warn me that I shouldn't bother completing the install though
[12:26] <Riddell> Mithrandir: however qt 3.3.8 seems to have problems with displaying a lot of CKJ characters, we might need to revert to 3.3.7
[12:26] <heno> fabbione: I don't know
[12:27] <fabbione> heno: worth checking that
[12:27] <heno> right, how? :) install logs?
[12:28] <fabbione> heno: boot the cd and check dmesg
[12:28] <fabbione> go to rescue mode and chroot on the target and check in /target/boot
[12:28] <fabbione> probably the logs have info too
[12:28] <heno> ok
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[12:45] <mdke> heno: did it go ok with the Switching From Windows guide?
[12:45] <heno> mdke: it's just in the pipeline :)
[12:45] <mdke> cool
[12:45] <mdke> I don't really download isos much to see
[12:46] <heno> I'm placing a link with an icon on the about ubuntu page
[12:46] <heno> Looks OK, IMO
[12:47] <mdke> heno: is that the landing page for the autorun?
[12:48] <heno> mdke: no, it's one click in
[12:48] <heno> but it will be quite prominent on that page
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[12:49] <mdke> heno: sounds good
[12:49] <heno> mdke: I'll send you a screenshot now
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[12:50] <mdke> heno: :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> heya Fujitsu 
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[01:22] <giskard> hello *
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[05:11] <keescook> Riddell, Mithrandir: so, should I upload the qt-x11-free fix?  90710 is getting dup'd somewhat regularly.  :)
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[05:18] <disposable> i have two SATA drives(sda,sdb) in AHCI mode. feisty install went ok (to sda), grub went onto (hd0). when i try to boot i get no bootable device. what could be wrong?
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[06:00] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping
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[06:01] <BenC> Mithrandir: I just uploaded a new mesa with a simple one liner fix to compile just i965_dri.so with gcc-3.4...that bug was known just before edgy released, and without it, 965 graphics have horribly broken GL (as in it pretends to work, but just shows a white screen)
[06:02] <BenC> Mithrandir: I would have though it would have been fixed now, but my bug report is missing, and my re-install of my core2duo desktop showed it was still a problem, so I figured might as well get it in for beta
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[06:18] <neighborlee> is it just me, or are other people seeing very slow download times when doing update  for feisty ( HURD5) ? ;)
[06:19] <neighborlee> I have comcast, and last week or more im consistently seeing on average it seems of 30-45KB/s..
[06:20] <ivoks> it's you or your mirror :D
[06:20] <neighborlee> ivoks, hm so your seeing much  higher  speeds then I take it
[06:20] <adamant1988> neighborlee: the repos are a bit slow many times, but I use a mirror
[06:20] <neighborlee> your using comcast or.. ?
[06:20] <neighborlee> adamant1988, ic
[06:20] <ivoks> neighborlee: yes, i get 100MB/s... maybe because i'm next to the mirror :D
[06:20] <neighborlee> hm ive never had to change a mirror due to slowness,,
[06:21] <adamant1988> neighborlee: I was only getting like 20 kb/s from archive.ubuntu.com or w/e
[06:21] <ivoks> make that 10MB/s, not 100 :)
[06:21] <neighborlee> im not worried or angry whatsoever..I realize bandwidth isn't cheap and that distance  to mirror does matter..
[06:21] <adamant1988> I switched to another mirror and got a nice speed boost
[06:21] <neighborlee> I"ve heard internet had been 'hacked' , and I thought hmm i'd ask and see what others have been seeing
[06:21] <neighborlee> ivoks, hehe yeah I was going to say woah man LOL
[06:26] <jdong> anl.gov's mirror is always the fastest for me
[06:26] <jdong> and archive has been crawling for the past two months
[06:27] <neighborlee> hmm
[06:27] <neighborlee> so the default most likely is set to archive ?
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[06:28] <jdong> right
[06:29] <neighborlee> ok thx jdong 
[06:29] <neighborlee> no wonder ;)
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[07:47] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: new d-i uploading, though we'll need another one since Ben has one more ABI bump to come
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[08:13] <Riddell> keescook: sure
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[09:18] <BenC> Mithrandir: ping, linux-source-2.6.20-12.19 uploaded, if you could process it for build, please. Thanks
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[09:52] <cjwatson> oh, crap, I meant to do console-setup before debian-installer ... oh well, there'll be another upload of the latter before beta
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[11:07] <jdong> cjwatson: what are your feelings on trivial source-change backports?
[11:07] <jdong> cjwatson: i.e. some packages have elevated build-deps just to force rebuild against newer libfoo in feisty, but would work just fine in Edgy if that build-dep was loosened
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[11:17] <jdong> keescook: what's the situation with clamav right now? I'm getting whining from people again :)
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[12:00] <neighborlee> hi..I presume that my CPU useage that never goes below 4%, is due to running fesity that may have debug code running ? ( I just stopped anacron and bluetooth, which got me down to 4% LOL) 
[12:00] <cjwatson> jdong: fine by me but they'll need a core-dev sponsor
[12:01] <jdong> cjwatson: is there a set process for asking for a core-dev sponsor, or is it coming in here and asking if anyone wants to sponsor?
[12:01] <cjwatson> I do wish we could split up the functions of build-depends somehow - i.e. stuff that's actually required for the package to build at all versus how we *want* the package to build in our development branch
[12:01] <crimsun_> jdong: a core-dev sponsor for what? note that some do lurk in -motu.
[12:01] <cjwatson> jdong: I think there's an ubuntu-main-sponsors team or something along those lines
[12:01] <jdong> cjwatson: ok
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[12:02] <jdong> crimsun_: source-change backports in general
[12:02] <jdong> ones that untighten build-deps taht were put there to force a rebuild against some newer feisty lib, etc
[12:02] <cjwatson> in fact, something exactly along those lines
[12:02] <jdong> cjwatson: ah, ok, I was only aware of its universe counterpart
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