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j1mchey all, does #ubuntu-meeting take into account daylight saving time for U.S. folks03:45
Hobbseej1mc: i'ts all in UTC time.03:47
tonyyarussoHobbsee: There is some confusion regarding things being announced as "GMT", which as I understand it is not the same, since GMT does daylight savings, while UTC is stable.  Is that right?03:48
j1mchttp://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx  :)03:48
sid@schedule New_York03:48
UbugtuSchedule for America/New_York: 17 Mar 11:00: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 11:00: Kernel Team | 19 Mar 19:00: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 14:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 08:00: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team03:48
j1mcthat should answer the question . . . thx, Hobbsee03:48
goukiNice link j1mc, thanks :)03:49
j1mcgouki: :)  there were three of us talking about it in #xubuntu (we have a meeting tomorrow), so . . .03:50
j1mcglad i just used the interwebs03:50
goukiHeheh03:50
Hobbseetonyyarusso: i'm presuming it's UTC.  so GMT adn all the other countries doing daylight saving just have to use the offset03:51
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Hobbseedarn, i need to move that IRC ops meeting a day later.01:11
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Hobbseehiya effie_jayx01:19
effie_jayxpoor guy... I bet he misses the emticons on his messenger :S01:19
effie_jayxhey Hobbsee  :D01:19
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UbugtuSchedule for Australia/Sydney: 18 Mar 02:00: Xubuntu | 20 Mar 02:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 10:00: IRC Operators | 21 Mar 05:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team02:28
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j1mcany xubuntu-ites here?03:55
effie_jayxj1mc,  xubunteros is the word ;)03:56
j1mci mean, xubunteros?  :)03:56
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j1mchi Romaan04:00
Romaanhi04:00
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j1mchey Grey_Loki04:00
Grey_LokiHihi :)04:00
j1mcyou two here for the xubuntu meeting?04:00
Grey_LokiHrm, I see in the topic there's a MOTU council. Is this MOTU as in, Mark of the Unicorn?04:01
Grey_LokiEven though I missed it >.<04:01
j1mcheh . . .04:01
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cellofellowHi04:03
j1mchi cellofellow04:03
j1mcthanks for stopping by04:03
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cellofellowWho else is here?04:03
j1mclooks like it might be a short meeting, cellofellow04:04
effie_jayxj1mc,  you can change it now04:05
Seveas(topic is messed up, bot is broken)04:07
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Seveashmm04:07
Seveasok, stupid bot04:07
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Mar 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 19 Mar 23:00 UTC: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 18:00 UTC: Community Council | 21 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team
j1mcSeveas: thanks04:08
Grey_LokiIs there a log of this MOTU meeting somewhere? I'd quite like to read up on what was said, assuming that it's the sound-related MOTU...04:08
effie_jayxGrey_Loki,  check #ubuntu-motu04:09
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Grey_LokiDamn04:09
Grey_LokiMasters Of The Universe?04:09
effie_jayxGrey_Loki,  aham04:09
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effie_jayxXubuntu meeting here :D ?04:09
cellofellowyeah, I think.04:10
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cellofellowsupposed to be04:10
j1mchey effie_jayx yeah . . .04:10
j1mcwe don't have many people here right now, but . . . any of you involved with documentation or artwork?04:10
cellofellownot really.04:10
j1mceffie_jayx: you?04:10
effie_jayxj1mc,  In spanish04:11
j1mcok04:11
cellofellowsometimes I give jmak artwork tips. I support his ideas more than some of the other devs.04:11
SeveasI fixed the xubuntu usplash theme, that's all art I do :)04:11
cellofellownot that i'm a dev04:11
effie_jayxj1mc,  I ma interested in begining xubuntu docs in spanish... I currently manage a team of spanish documentation04:11
j1mcwell, i guess i can provide a brief update on docs . . .04:11
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j1mcunlike edgy, did provide some updates to our docs04:12
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j1mcthe updates primarily were to make them current, and fix glaring errors but no major overhauls04:12
TheSheep_hello everyone04:13
j1mceffie_jayx: do you know who you'd contact to help with translating them in spanish?04:13
cellofellowI'm not exactly sure what is new in Feisty. New versions of all the bits and pieces as usual.04:13
effie_jayxj1mc,  I came here hopeful that  Iwould network with someone doing some spanish doc04:13
cellofellowI would if I knew a lick of spanish. :)04:14
j1mceffie_jayx: ok, i'll see who i can put you in touch with.  i know one of the main kubuntu doc people.04:14
j1mccan you /msg me and send me your email address?04:14
effie_jayxsure04:15
j1mcTheSheep_: what have you been involved in?04:15
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cellofellowWelcome Centre?04:16
j1mccellofellow: do you know if that made it through?04:17
cellofellownot sure.04:17
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cellofellowTheSheep_: how is Welcome Centre going anyways? It's sort of like docs  . :)04:17
j1mccellofellow: what have you been up to, other than providing good support on #xubuntu?  :)04:19
cellofellowLearning to program with Python.04:20
cellofellowAdding some insights to xubuntu-devel mailing list.04:20
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j1mcalthough it wasn't listed as an agenda item, xubuntu ISO testing is getting better, with more community participation.04:22
cellofellowI don't have a CD burner, and so I am limited to using QEMU.04:22
cellofellowI can use QEMU to install on a normal hard drive and run from there.04:22
highvoltagehey guys04:23
cellofellowhi04:23
j1mcok, if you want, i can see if they have a specific spot to report QEMU tests04:23
j1mchi highvoltage04:23
TheSheep_j1mc: oh, sorry, mainly welcome centre, it's not doing very well04:23
cellofellowI install using qemu, but then run in the normal box.04:24
highvoltagehey j1mc and cellofellow04:24
j1mchighvoltage: how are things with xubuntu packages in edubuntu?04:24
j1mcTheSheep_: what needs help in welcome centre?  just more manpower?  what skills are required to work on it?04:24
TheSheep_j1mc: the program is more or less finished, we don't really have any content for it though04:25
cellofellowhighvoltage: do we NEED to compete with TuxLabs or can we just let them fill their niche?04:25
j1mcin content, you mean docs?04:25
cellofellowTheSheep_: where is the content wiki again?04:26
TheSheep_cellofellow: welcome.sheep.art.pl04:26
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TheSheep_cellofellow: we can move it to regular ubuntu wiki04:26
TheSheep_cellofellow: or anywhere else04:26
highvoltagecellofellow: I don't think tuXlabs and Xubuntu ever competed04:26
highvoltagecellofellow: I think tuxlab has done good in getting xubuntu out there, and getting it more wider testing04:27
cellofellowTuxLabs is Edubuntu stuff with XFCE desktop. Designed for LTSP installations.04:27
cellofellowso, why we need Edubuntu stuff in Xubuntu?04:27
cellofellowtuxlabs does that.04:27
highvoltageah, I see04:27
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j1mcoh . . . pardon my comment, i was just going off of some notes from the last meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings04:28
j1mc(my comment about xubuntu packages in edubuntu)04:28
highvoltagecellofellow: well, Edubuntu is going to use Xubuntu packages on the edubuntu-add-on disk, so there's not any additional load on the xubuntu team has to do in terms of education at the moment04:28
cellofellowok, so an XFCE-Edubuntu option disk?04:29
highvoltagesomething like that, yes04:29
highvoltageEdubuntu will install a gnome desktop, and there will also be an Edubuntu CD 2 disk04:29
highvoltagethat will contain Xfce for those who would like to implement it04:29
cellofellowok then.04:30
highvoltagecellofellow: but if anyone would like to get more involved with xubuntu-edubuntu collaboration, I'd urge them to join #edubuntu too04:30
highvoltage(and vice-versa)04:30
j1mchighvoltage: sounds good.  thanks for that tip.04:31
cellofellowwell, allright then. I might try that. I just installed Xubuntu on a computer that is mostly for younger kids.04:31
j1mci think both edubuntu and xubuntu struggle a bit with manpower, no?  i know nixternal was asking for edubuntu doc help.04:31
highvoltagej1mc: yes, both need help04:31
j1mcif we can work together on some items, maybe we can pool resources.04:32
highvoltageboth have strong, small cores, but I think they are at a stage where both needs to expand04:32
highvoltagej1mc: sounds very good04:32
cellofellowI would think Canonical would put a lot of effort behind Edubuntu, because it's a more commercial-oriented version than the otehrs.04:32
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highvoltagethe demand for Xfce is *definitely* growing, imho, it's just a matter of time before Canonical will have to provide for Xfce as well04:34
highvoltageespecially on large LTSP deployments.04:34
cellofellowI think the language is a bit too technical and needs to be lively and written for the lay-man or even the semi-technophibic.04:34
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j1mccellofellow: was the welcome centre intended to replace the "getting started guide"?04:35
cellofellowIt was supposed to pop up and "welcome" the user on first boot I believe.04:36
TheSheep_j1mc: it was supposed to have links to the most important parts of documentation04:37
TheSheep_j1mc: something like the windows' one04:37
j1mcTheSheep_: ok, kind of like an introduction to the documentation - more concise04:38
TheSheep_j1mc: I'm not convinced it's needed, but it was fun to write :)04:38
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j1mc:-)  yeah04:38
cellofellowI think the language in it should be bright and happy. It seems technical and concise right now. Not that concise is bad, you want it in serious docs, but in a Welcome! thing it should say the basics in a nice happy way.04:39
TheSheep_cellofellow: you are absolutely right04:39
TheSheep_cellofellow: some dialog would be nice too04:39
highvoltagebeen a while since I've seen Adam on IRC, anyone been in contact with him?04:39
cellofellowDialog? how do you mean.04:39
TheSheep_cellofellow: unfortunately, most of it is just copied from the ubuntu docs or written by tech people04:39
j1mcAdam?  you mean maxamillion?04:39
cellofellowI saw him yesterday. and on jabber too.04:39
cellofellowhe's offline ATM.04:40
highvoltagej1mc: yep04:40
j1mcwas he heading up the welcome centre?04:40
cellofellowI thought it was Radomir here. (If we are using real names. ;) )04:40
TheSheep_cellofellow: dialog like in books, you know, also some narration and maybe even plot04:40
highvoltagehim and cody somersville, iirc04:41
cellofellowDon't know about that. Perhaps so.04:41
cellofellowCody's been in the hospital or something.04:41
highvoltageoh yes, indeed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter04:41
j1mccellofellow: yes.  :(  i hope he's ok.04:41
cellofellowI think I can juice up the Welcome Centre if I find time. My family and I are going to England this week, will be gone for three.04:42
cellofellowI currently have some Home LAN admin issues too.04:43
j1mci am not an expert, but it looks like the UI is off to a decent start.  i would be willing to help write for the welcome centre.04:44
j1mcsounds like we're looking at feisty+1 for this?04:44
cellofellowMaybe04:44
cellofellow(I think Feisty+1 should be Groovy Gazelle.)04:45
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cellofellowboth cool.04:45
j1mchehe  :)04:45
highvoltagegeeky gazelle04:45
j1mchehehe04:46
cellofellowGrande Giraffe sounds big. Groovy Gazelle sounds cool and fast.04:46
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j1mcso . . .   sounds like we need to get in touch with the welcome centre devs.04:47
cellofellowhey, jmak is online04:48
j1mcoh, cool...04:48
cellofellowGtalk, I just IM'd him.04:48
j1mcthanks.04:48
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j1mccellofellow: did he respond?04:50
cellofellownot yet04:50
cellofellowhe must be busy.04:50
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cellofellow*wave*04:51
j1mchello, Jmak!04:51
JmakHi04:51
j1mchowdy.  thanks for stopping by.04:52
JmakWhat's going on04:52
cellofellowNothing really. Might we ask how the artwork is going?04:52
j1mcso far we have briefly discussed documentation, working with edubuntu, and also spent some time talking about the welcome centre.04:52
j1mc. . . so now would be a good time for artwork.  :)04:53
JmakEverything is already done04:53
j1mci must say that the default wallpaper has grown on me.04:53
JmakHow so?04:53
j1mcat first i thought it was a bit too dark or rich, and i thought something glass-ier might look better, but now i like it.04:54
j1mcjust one person's opinion.04:54
cellofellowJmak: how about my face-browser-enabled login screen idea?04:54
j1mcJmak: there are some new icon sets available in the repos.  have you given any of them a try?04:55
JmakWhat repos?04:55
j1mcwell, i'm not sure if they're "new" but they are new to being in the repos.04:55
j1mci'll check . . .04:56
JmakI am also working on an orange version of the tango04:56
cellofellowIsn't that already? Tangerine?04:57
JmakTangerein is too oragne04:57
JmakMine is more brownish04:57
JmakAnd i also have an aluminium version04:58
j1mcgnome-icon-theme-gartoon tangerine-icon-theme gnome-extra-icons gnome-humility-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-blankon gnome-icon-theme-dlg-neu gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 gnome-icon-theme-nuovo gnome-icon-theme-suede04:58
j1mcthose are new to me from the repos, anyway.04:58
j1mci just did an "apt-cache search icon --names-only"04:59
cellofellowperhaps we can provide overall "themes". You seem to like either Blue or Gray. I like green myself.04:59
JmakI know the nuovo and the neu, i check out the rest04:59
JmakGreen icons?04:59
j1mcJmak: there are a few others, too.  those are just what i picked out.04:59
cellofellownever seen any, I just like green desktops.05:00
JmakEverythin is better than the blue tango05:00
cellofellowsomeone must have packaged a bunch of icons for debian.05:00
j1mcJmak: i haven't done a thorough test, but using some of those as my icon set doesn't convert *all* of my icons to the selected settings.05:00
cellofellowthat means they aren't quite complete.05:01
JmakI like the green themes as well for feisty +05:01
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j1mccellofellow: might it mean that xfce looks for icons to be in a specific file hierarchy, and that it doesn't always match up with gnome??05:01
JmakMost icon sets are incomplate05:02
cellofellowI do like the Gcezanne icons you linked to on the mailing lists once, and they work great for ROX, but not enough icons in the right places for full XFCE.05:02
j1mcJmak: do gnome and xfce use the same file tree structure to store icons?05:02
cellofellowXFCE uses the Tango standard for icon locations, I think. right?05:02
JmakThere is a nice Gcezanne one of my favorite too.05:03
TheSheep_xfce has some icons named differently -- there are symbolic links to amend that] 05:03
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cellofellowcan't we all just settle on the gnome or tango standard please?05:03
j1mcwelcome, PuMpErNiCkLe05:03
PuMpErNiCkLeyo05:03
TheSheep_cellofellow: agreed :)05:04
j1mccellofellow: is that a rhetorical question?  :)05:04
JmakBlue tango is very dull05:04
cellofellowI thought Tango was more than just an iconset, it was also a icon tree standard wannabe.05:04
cellofellowj1mc: sort of.05:04
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cellofellowI like Firefox themes that match or look like the native iconset. I can do that with Tango but not others.05:06
vinzeHey05:06
cellofellowCould we make a complementary Firefox theme too?05:06
cellofellowperhaps not for Feisty, but next time.05:06
JmakThere is a tango icon set for firefox05:07
TheSheep_better make firefox use the system icons and theem ;)05:07
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cellofellowTrouble is Firefox doesn't acces the system icons.05:08
cellofellowyou have to make a firefox theme addon.05:08
highvoltagecan't the theme contain symlinks to the system icons?05:08
highvoltage(an add-on theme, that is)05:09
cellofellowthemes are sort of self-contained.05:09
cellofellowthe default firefox theme uses the system GTK colors, it just has its own icons.05:09
PuMpErNiCkLeAlso, they're not just icons - themes cover other aspects of the appearance, iirc.05:10
cellofellowyeah, I think we're talking about icons right now. We settled on a murrina GTK theme right?05:10
JmakGreat then we have to add the murrina configurator as well05:11
JmakThat will be a big success05:11
JmakEveryone is going to like it05:12
cellofellowis the Murrina engine package in the repos yet?05:12
JmakI think so05:12
cellofellownot here in Edgy, I have to hunt it down on the web.05:13
JmakI find the author web site for you05:13
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's in the Feisty repos.05:14
cellofellowI use it already, it's ok jmak.05:14
vinzeI'll be back in a sec05:15
vinzeJust testing Herd 5 :P05:15
vinzeThere was en error burning it05:15
_MMA_Ubuntu Studio also uses murrine for its engine. We got it in.05:15
cellofellowcool then05:16
j1mcthe murrine engine allows easy customization of the theme, right?05:16
_MMA_.51 is in.05:16
j1mcof murrine-based themes. . .05:16
_MMA_With the configurator.05:17
j1mcis the configurator in the repos?05:17
JmakYes, you need the configurator05:17
cellofellowhaven't tried the configurator yet.05:17
_MMA_I havnt messed with that much myself.05:17
_MMA_I did ours by hand.05:17
_MMA_I dont think thats in the repos.05:17
JmakThe confugurator is not in the repo you can get it from the authour website05:17
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JmakThsi is the author web site05:18
Jmakhttp://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php05:18
j1mcJmak: do you think it would be a good idea to include the configurator for feisty+1?05:19
gpocentek_MMA_: do we have Murrine themes in the repos05:19
gpocentek?05:19
JmakIn feisty05:19
_MMA_gpocentek: I think there are a couple.05:19
TheSheep_none05:19
_MMA_Our art packages didnt make the freeze. :(05:20
TheSheep_there is OranSun in feisty05:20
j1mcTheSheep_ is correct, we just have the engine.05:20
TheSheep_but I think it's in a separate repositorium05:20
j1mc_MMA_ your art package?05:20
_MMA_j1mc: This is OT but all the Ubuntu Studio art.05:20
_MMA_We struggled a little with the packages.05:21
j1mc_MMA_: :(05:21
_MMA_We'll host it on the site.05:21
_MMA_All the apps made it though.05:21
j1mcwell, any other art-related subjects for anyone?05:21
j1mcany other topics?  :)05:22
j1mcanything that anyone would like to bring up?05:23
TheSheep_web site?05:23
j1mcTheSheep_: yes?05:23
TheSheep_j1mc: actually, no, it's good :)05:23
j1mcvincent has been helpful in providing updates about my ISO tests.  :)  to me, it meeds cody's criteria that it be clean, warm, and fuzzy. :)05:24
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j1mcanything else?05:25
j1mci will get a few notes up on the meeting  wiki about our conversations here today.05:26
j1mcanyone know how / if these meetings are logged?05:26
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TheSheep_there is ubuntulog here...05:27
j1mc!ubuntulog05:28
j1mcTheSheep_: can you access it?  or let me know how to?05:28
TheSheep_j1mc: no, no idea where it logs :/05:29
j1mchehe  ok.  hmmm...05:29
j1mci see a link up at the top here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/05:30
Seveas/msg ubotu logs05:30
j1mcthanks, all.05:30
Seveas:)05:30
TheSheep_http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/05:30
TheSheep_:)05:30
cellofellowwell, gtg05:31
j1mcthanks, all05:33
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