[03:45] <j1mc> hey all, does #ubuntu-meeting take into account daylight saving time for U.S. folks
[03:47] <Hobbsee> j1mc: i'ts all in UTC time.
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: There is some confusion regarding things being announced as "GMT", which as I understand it is not the same, since GMT does daylight savings, while UTC is stable.  Is that right?
[03:48] <j1mc> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx  :)
[03:48] <sid> @schedule New_York
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 17 Mar 11:00: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 11:00: Kernel Team | 19 Mar 19:00: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 14:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 08:00: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:48] <j1mc> that should answer the question . . . thx, Hobbsee
[03:49] <gouki> Nice link j1mc, thanks :)
[03:50] <j1mc> gouki: :)  there were three of us talking about it in #xubuntu (we have a meeting tomorrow), so . . .
[03:50] <j1mc> glad i just used the interwebs
[03:50] <gouki> Heheh
[03:51] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i'm presuming it's UTC.  so GMT adn all the other countries doing daylight saving just have to use the offset
[01:08] <HyperDUDe> hello ppl
[01:09] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 18 Mar 02:00: Xubuntu | 20 Mar 02:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 10:00: IRC Operators | 21 Mar 05:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:10] <HyperDUDe> @schedule india
[01:11] <emonkey-m> @schedule zurich
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 17 Mar 16:00: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 16:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 00:00: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 19:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 13:00: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:11] <Hobbsee> darn, i need to move that IRC ops meeting a day later.
[01:12] <HyperDUDe> @schedule Calcutta
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Calcutta: 17 Mar 20:30: Xubuntu | 19 Mar 20:30: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 04:30: IRC Operators | 20 Mar 23:30: Community Council | 21 Mar 17:30: Edubuntu | 22 Mar 21:30: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:12] <HyperDUDe> @schedule dili
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Dili: 18 Mar 00:00: Xubuntu | 20 Mar 00:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 08:00: IRC Operators | 21 Mar 03:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 21:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :/
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :S
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :|
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :O
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :@
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :D
[01:16] <poningru> ok dude
[01:16] <poningru> we get it
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> :D
[01:16] <HyperDUDe> wat?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> HyperDUDe: this is a meeting channel.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> HyperDUDe: why are you spamming it?
[01:17] <HyperDUDe> sry
[01:17] <HyperDUDe> sry
[01:18] <effie_jayx> hey'all
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hiya effie_jayx
[01:19] <effie_jayx> poor guy... I bet he misses the emticons on his messenger :S
[01:19] <effie_jayx> hey Hobbsee  :D
[01:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:28] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 18 Mar 02:00: Xubuntu | 20 Mar 02:00: Kernel Team | 20 Mar 10:00: IRC Operators | 21 Mar 05:00: Community Council | 21 Mar 23:00: Edubuntu | 23 Mar 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[03:55] <j1mc> any xubuntu-ites here?
[03:56] <effie_jayx> j1mc,  xubunteros is the word ;)
[03:56] <j1mc> i mean, xubunteros?  :)
[04:00] <j1mc> hi Romaan
[04:00] <Romaan> hi
[04:00] <j1mc> hey Grey_Loki
[04:00] <Grey_Loki> Hihi :)
[04:00] <j1mc> you two here for the xubuntu meeting?
[04:01] <Grey_Loki> Hrm, I see in the topic there's a MOTU council. Is this MOTU as in, Mark of the Unicorn?
[04:01] <Grey_Loki> Even though I missed it >.<
[04:01] <j1mc> heh . . .
[04:03] <cellofellow> Hi
[04:03] <j1mc> hi cellofellow
[04:03] <j1mc> thanks for stopping by
[04:03] <cellofellow> Who else is here?
[04:04] <j1mc> looks like it might be a short meeting, cellofellow
[04:05] <effie_jayx> j1mc,  you can change it now
[04:07] <Seveas> (topic is messed up, bot is broken)
[04:07] <Seveas> @topic
[04:07] <Seveas> hmm
[04:07] <Seveas> ok, stupid bot
[04:08] <Seveas> @reload Webcal
[04:08] <Seveas> @topic
[04:08] <j1mc> Seveas: thanks
[04:08] <Grey_Loki> Is there a log of this MOTU meeting somewhere? I'd quite like to read up on what was said, assuming that it's the sound-related MOTU...
[04:09] <effie_jayx> Grey_Loki,  check #ubuntu-motu
[04:09] <Grey_Loki> Damn
[04:09] <Grey_Loki> Masters Of The Universe?
[04:09] <effie_jayx> Grey_Loki,  aham
[04:09] <effie_jayx> Xubuntu meeting here :D ?
[04:10] <cellofellow> yeah, I think.
[04:10] <cellofellow> supposed to be
[04:10] <j1mc> hey effie_jayx yeah . . .
[04:10] <j1mc> we don't have many people here right now, but . . . any of you involved with documentation or artwork?
[04:10] <cellofellow> not really.
[04:10] <j1mc> effie_jayx: you?
[04:11] <effie_jayx> j1mc,  In spanish
[04:11] <j1mc> ok
[04:11] <cellofellow> sometimes I give jmak artwork tips. I support his ideas more than some of the other devs.
[04:11] <Seveas> I fixed the xubuntu usplash theme, that's all art I do :)
[04:11] <cellofellow> not that i'm a dev
[04:11] <effie_jayx> j1mc,  I ma interested in begining xubuntu docs in spanish... I currently manage a team of spanish documentation
[04:11] <j1mc> well, i guess i can provide a brief update on docs . . .
[04:12] <j1mc> unlike edgy, did provide some updates to our docs
[04:12] <j1mc> the updates primarily were to make them current, and fix glaring errors but no major overhauls
[04:13] <TheSheep_> hello everyone
[04:13] <j1mc> effie_jayx: do you know who you'd contact to help with translating them in spanish?
[04:13] <cellofellow> I'm not exactly sure what is new in Feisty. New versions of all the bits and pieces as usual.
[04:13] <effie_jayx> j1mc,  I came here hopeful that  Iwould network with someone doing some spanish doc
[04:14] <cellofellow> I would if I knew a lick of spanish. :)
[04:14] <j1mc> effie_jayx: ok, i'll see who i can put you in touch with.  i know one of the main kubuntu doc people.
[04:14] <j1mc> can you /msg me and send me your email address?
[04:15] <effie_jayx> sure
[04:15] <j1mc> TheSheep_: what have you been involved in?
[04:16] <cellofellow> Welcome Centre?
[04:17] <j1mc> cellofellow: do you know if that made it through?
[04:17] <cellofellow> not sure.
[04:17] <cellofellow> TheSheep_: how is Welcome Centre going anyways? It's sort of like docs  . :)
[04:19] <j1mc> cellofellow: what have you been up to, other than providing good support on #xubuntu?  :)
[04:20] <cellofellow> Learning to program with Python.
[04:20] <cellofellow> Adding some insights to xubuntu-devel mailing list.
[04:22] <j1mc> although it wasn't listed as an agenda item, xubuntu ISO testing is getting better, with more community participation.
[04:22] <cellofellow> I don't have a CD burner, and so I am limited to using QEMU.
[04:22] <cellofellow> I can use QEMU to install on a normal hard drive and run from there.
[04:23] <highvoltage> hey guys
[04:23] <cellofellow> hi
[04:23] <j1mc> ok, if you want, i can see if they have a specific spot to report QEMU tests
[04:23] <j1mc> hi highvoltage
[04:23] <TheSheep_> j1mc: oh, sorry, mainly welcome centre, it's not doing very well
[04:24] <cellofellow> I install using qemu, but then run in the normal box.
[04:24] <highvoltage> hey j1mc and cellofellow
[04:24] <j1mc> highvoltage: how are things with xubuntu packages in edubuntu?
[04:24] <j1mc> TheSheep_: what needs help in welcome centre?  just more manpower?  what skills are required to work on it?
[04:25] <TheSheep_> j1mc: the program is more or less finished, we don't really have any content for it though
[04:25] <cellofellow> highvoltage: do we NEED to compete with TuxLabs or can we just let them fill their niche?
[04:25] <j1mc> in content, you mean docs?
[04:26] <cellofellow> TheSheep_: where is the content wiki again?
[04:26] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: welcome.sheep.art.pl
[04:26] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: we can move it to regular ubuntu wiki
[04:26] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: or anywhere else
[04:26] <highvoltage> cellofellow: I don't think tuXlabs and Xubuntu ever competed
[04:27] <highvoltage> cellofellow: I think tuxlab has done good in getting xubuntu out there, and getting it more wider testing
[04:27] <cellofellow> TuxLabs is Edubuntu stuff with XFCE desktop. Designed for LTSP installations.
[04:27] <cellofellow> so, why we need Edubuntu stuff in Xubuntu?
[04:27] <cellofellow> tuxlabs does that.
[04:27] <highvoltage> ah, I see
[04:28] <j1mc> oh . . . pardon my comment, i was just going off of some notes from the last meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[04:28] <j1mc> (my comment about xubuntu packages in edubuntu)
[04:28] <highvoltage> cellofellow: well, Edubuntu is going to use Xubuntu packages on the edubuntu-add-on disk, so there's not any additional load on the xubuntu team has to do in terms of education at the moment
[04:29] <cellofellow> ok, so an XFCE-Edubuntu option disk?
[04:29] <highvoltage> something like that, yes
[04:29] <highvoltage> Edubuntu will install a gnome desktop, and there will also be an Edubuntu CD 2 disk
[04:29] <highvoltage> that will contain Xfce for those who would like to implement it
[04:30] <cellofellow> ok then.
[04:30] <highvoltage> cellofellow: but if anyone would like to get more involved with xubuntu-edubuntu collaboration, I'd urge them to join #edubuntu too
[04:30] <highvoltage> (and vice-versa)
[04:31] <j1mc> highvoltage: sounds good.  thanks for that tip.
[04:31] <cellofellow> well, allright then. I might try that. I just installed Xubuntu on a computer that is mostly for younger kids.
[04:31] <j1mc> i think both edubuntu and xubuntu struggle a bit with manpower, no?  i know nixternal was asking for edubuntu doc help.
[04:31] <highvoltage> j1mc: yes, both need help
[04:32] <j1mc> if we can work together on some items, maybe we can pool resources.
[04:32] <highvoltage> both have strong, small cores, but I think they are at a stage where both needs to expand
[04:32] <highvoltage> j1mc: sounds very good
[04:32] <cellofellow> I would think Canonical would put a lot of effort behind Edubuntu, because it's a more commercial-oriented version than the otehrs.
[04:34] <highvoltage> the demand for Xfce is *definitely* growing, imho, it's just a matter of time before Canonical will have to provide for Xfce as well
[04:34] <highvoltage> especially on large LTSP deployments.
[04:34] <cellofellow> I think the language is a bit too technical and needs to be lively and written for the lay-man or even the semi-technophibic.
[04:35] <j1mc> cellofellow: was the welcome centre intended to replace the "getting started guide"?
[04:36] <cellofellow> It was supposed to pop up and "welcome" the user on first boot I believe.
[04:37] <TheSheep_> j1mc: it was supposed to have links to the most important parts of documentation
[04:37] <TheSheep_> j1mc: something like the windows' one
[04:38] <j1mc> TheSheep_: ok, kind of like an introduction to the documentation - more concise
[04:38] <TheSheep_> j1mc: I'm not convinced it's needed, but it was fun to write :)
[04:38] <j1mc> :-)  yeah
[04:39] <cellofellow> I think the language in it should be bright and happy. It seems technical and concise right now. Not that concise is bad, you want it in serious docs, but in a Welcome! thing it should say the basics in a nice happy way.
[04:39] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: you are absolutely right
[04:39] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: some dialog would be nice too
[04:39] <highvoltage> been a while since I've seen Adam on IRC, anyone been in contact with him?
[04:39] <cellofellow> Dialog? how do you mean.
[04:39] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: unfortunately, most of it is just copied from the ubuntu docs or written by tech people
[04:39] <j1mc> Adam?  you mean maxamillion?
[04:39] <cellofellow> I saw him yesterday. and on jabber too.
[04:40] <cellofellow> he's offline ATM.
[04:40] <highvoltage> j1mc: yep
[04:40] <j1mc> was he heading up the welcome centre?
[04:40] <cellofellow> I thought it was Radomir here. (If we are using real names. ;) )
[04:40] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: dialog like in books, you know, also some narration and maybe even plot
[04:41] <highvoltage> him and cody somersville, iirc
[04:41] <cellofellow> Don't know about that. Perhaps so.
[04:41] <cellofellow> Cody's been in the hospital or something.
[04:41] <highvoltage> oh yes, indeed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Feisty/XubuntuWelcomeCenter
[04:41] <j1mc> cellofellow: yes.  :(  i hope he's ok.
[04:42] <cellofellow> I think I can juice up the Welcome Centre if I find time. My family and I are going to England this week, will be gone for three.
[04:43] <cellofellow> I currently have some Home LAN admin issues too.
[04:44] <j1mc> i am not an expert, but it looks like the UI is off to a decent start.  i would be willing to help write for the welcome centre.
[04:44] <j1mc> sounds like we're looking at feisty+1 for this?
[04:44] <cellofellow> Maybe
[04:45] <cellofellow> (I think Feisty+1 should be Groovy Gazelle.)
[04:45] <cellofellow> both cool.
[04:45] <j1mc> hehe  :)
[04:45] <highvoltage> geeky gazelle
[04:46] <j1mc> hehehe
[04:46] <cellofellow> Grande Giraffe sounds big. Groovy Gazelle sounds cool and fast.
[04:47] <j1mc> so . . .   sounds like we need to get in touch with the welcome centre devs.
[04:48] <cellofellow> hey, jmak is online
[04:48] <j1mc> oh, cool...
[04:48] <cellofellow> Gtalk, I just IM'd him.
[04:48] <j1mc> thanks.
[04:50] <j1mc> cellofellow: did he respond?
[04:50] <cellofellow> not yet
[04:50] <cellofellow> he must be busy.
[04:51] <cellofellow> *wave*
[04:51] <j1mc> hello, Jmak!
[04:51] <Jmak> Hi
[04:52] <j1mc> howdy.  thanks for stopping by.
[04:52] <Jmak> What's going on
[04:52] <cellofellow> Nothing really. Might we ask how the artwork is going?
[04:52] <j1mc> so far we have briefly discussed documentation, working with edubuntu, and also spent some time talking about the welcome centre.
[04:53] <j1mc> . . . so now would be a good time for artwork.  :)
[04:53] <Jmak> Everything is already done
[04:53] <j1mc> i must say that the default wallpaper has grown on me.
[04:53] <Jmak> How so?
[04:54] <j1mc> at first i thought it was a bit too dark or rich, and i thought something glass-ier might look better, but now i like it.
[04:54] <j1mc> just one person's opinion.
[04:54] <cellofellow> Jmak: how about my face-browser-enabled login screen idea?
[04:55] <j1mc> Jmak: there are some new icon sets available in the repos.  have you given any of them a try?
[04:55] <Jmak> What repos?
[04:55] <j1mc> well, i'm not sure if they're "new" but they are new to being in the repos.
[04:56] <j1mc> i'll check . . .
[04:56] <Jmak> I am also working on an orange version of the tango
[04:57] <cellofellow> Isn't that already? Tangerine?
[04:57] <Jmak> Tangerein is too oragne
[04:57] <Jmak> Mine is more brownish
[04:58] <Jmak> And i also have an aluminium version
[04:58] <j1mc> gnome-icon-theme-gartoon tangerine-icon-theme gnome-extra-icons gnome-humility-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-blankon gnome-icon-theme-dlg-neu gnome-icon-theme-gperfection2 gnome-icon-theme-nuovo gnome-icon-theme-suede
[04:58] <j1mc> those are new to me from the repos, anyway.
[04:59] <j1mc> i just did an "apt-cache search icon --names-only"
[04:59] <cellofellow> perhaps we can provide overall "themes". You seem to like either Blue or Gray. I like green myself.
[04:59] <Jmak> I know the nuovo and the neu, i check out the rest
[04:59] <Jmak> Green icons?
[04:59] <j1mc> Jmak: there are a few others, too.  those are just what i picked out.
[05:00] <cellofellow> never seen any, I just like green desktops.
[05:00] <Jmak> Everythin is better than the blue tango
[05:00] <cellofellow> someone must have packaged a bunch of icons for debian.
[05:00] <j1mc> Jmak: i haven't done a thorough test, but using some of those as my icon set doesn't convert *all* of my icons to the selected settings.
[05:01] <cellofellow> that means they aren't quite complete.
[05:01] <Jmak> I like the green themes as well for feisty +
[05:01] <j1mc> cellofellow: might it mean that xfce looks for icons to be in a specific file hierarchy, and that it doesn't always match up with gnome??
[05:02] <Jmak> Most icon sets are incomplate
[05:02] <cellofellow> I do like the Gcezanne icons you linked to on the mailing lists once, and they work great for ROX, but not enough icons in the right places for full XFCE.
[05:02] <j1mc> Jmak: do gnome and xfce use the same file tree structure to store icons?
[05:02] <cellofellow> XFCE uses the Tango standard for icon locations, I think. right?
[05:03] <Jmak> There is a nice Gcezanne one of my favorite too.
[05:03] <TheSheep_> xfce has some icons named differently -- there are symbolic links to amend that] 
[05:03] <cellofellow> can't we all just settle on the gnome or tango standard please?
[05:03] <j1mc> welcome, PuMpErNiCkLe
[05:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo
[05:04] <TheSheep_> cellofellow: agreed :)
[05:04] <j1mc> cellofellow: is that a rhetorical question?  :)
[05:04] <Jmak> Blue tango is very dull
[05:04] <cellofellow> I thought Tango was more than just an iconset, it was also a icon tree standard wannabe.
[05:04] <cellofellow> j1mc: sort of.
[05:06] <cellofellow> I like Firefox themes that match or look like the native iconset. I can do that with Tango but not others.
[05:06] <vinze> Hey
[05:06] <cellofellow> Could we make a complementary Firefox theme too?
[05:06] <cellofellow> perhaps not for Feisty, but next time.
[05:07] <Jmak> There is a tango icon set for firefox
[05:07] <TheSheep_> better make firefox use the system icons and theem ;)
[05:08] <cellofellow> Trouble is Firefox doesn't acces the system icons.
[05:08] <cellofellow> you have to make a firefox theme addon.
[05:08] <highvoltage> can't the theme contain symlinks to the system icons?
[05:09] <highvoltage> (an add-on theme, that is)
[05:09] <cellofellow> themes are sort of self-contained.
[05:09] <cellofellow> the default firefox theme uses the system GTK colors, it just has its own icons.
[05:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Also, they're not just icons - themes cover other aspects of the appearance, iirc.
[05:10] <cellofellow> yeah, I think we're talking about icons right now. We settled on a murrina GTK theme right?
[05:11] <Jmak> Great then we have to add the murrina configurator as well
[05:11] <Jmak> That will be a big success
[05:12] <Jmak> Everyone is going to like it
[05:12] <cellofellow> is the Murrina engine package in the repos yet?
[05:12] <Jmak> I think so
[05:13] <cellofellow> not here in Edgy, I have to hunt it down on the web.
[05:13] <Jmak> I find the author web site for you
[05:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's in the Feisty repos.
[05:14] <cellofellow> I use it already, it's ok jmak.
[05:15] <vinze> I'll be back in a sec
[05:15] <vinze> Just testing Herd 5 :P
[05:15] <vinze> There was en error burning it
[05:15] <_MMA_> Ubuntu Studio also uses murrine for its engine. We got it in.
[05:16] <cellofellow> cool then
[05:16] <j1mc> the murrine engine allows easy customization of the theme, right?
[05:16] <_MMA_> .51 is in.
[05:16] <j1mc> of murrine-based themes. . .
[05:17] <_MMA_> With the configurator.
[05:17] <j1mc> is the configurator in the repos?
[05:17] <Jmak> Yes, you need the configurator
[05:17] <cellofellow> haven't tried the configurator yet.
[05:17] <_MMA_> I havnt messed with that much myself.
[05:17] <_MMA_> I did ours by hand.
[05:17] <_MMA_> I dont think thats in the repos.
[05:17] <Jmak> The confugurator is not in the repo you can get it from the authour website
[05:18] <Jmak> Thsi is the author web site
[05:18] <Jmak> http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine/download.php
[05:19] <j1mc> Jmak: do you think it would be a good idea to include the configurator for feisty+1?
[05:19] <gpocentek> _MMA_: do we have Murrine themes in the repos
[05:19] <gpocentek> ?
[05:19] <Jmak> In feisty
[05:19] <_MMA_> gpocentek: I think there are a couple.
[05:19] <TheSheep_> none
[05:20] <_MMA_> Our art packages didnt make the freeze. :(
[05:20] <TheSheep_> there is OranSun in feisty
[05:20] <j1mc> TheSheep_ is correct, we just have the engine.
[05:20] <TheSheep_> but I think it's in a separate repositorium
[05:20] <j1mc> _MMA_ your art package?
[05:20] <_MMA_> j1mc: This is OT but all the Ubuntu Studio art.
[05:21] <_MMA_> We struggled a little with the packages.
[05:21] <j1mc> _MMA_: :(
[05:21] <_MMA_> We'll host it on the site.
[05:21] <_MMA_> All the apps made it though.
[05:21] <j1mc> well, any other art-related subjects for anyone?
[05:22] <j1mc> any other topics?  :)
[05:23] <j1mc> anything that anyone would like to bring up?
[05:23] <TheSheep_> web site?
[05:23] <j1mc> TheSheep_: yes?
[05:23] <TheSheep_> j1mc: actually, no, it's good :)
[05:24] <j1mc> vincent has been helpful in providing updates about my ISO tests.  :)  to me, it meeds cody's criteria that it be clean, warm, and fuzzy. :)
[05:25] <j1mc> anything else?
[05:26] <j1mc> i will get a few notes up on the meeting  wiki about our conversations here today.
[05:26] <j1mc> anyone know how / if these meetings are logged?
[05:27] <TheSheep_> there is ubuntulog here...
[05:28] <j1mc> !ubuntulog
[05:28] <j1mc> TheSheep_: can you access it?  or let me know how to?
[05:29] <TheSheep_> j1mc: no, no idea where it logs :/
[05:29] <j1mc> hehe  ok.  hmmm...
[05:30] <j1mc> i see a link up at the top here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/
[05:30] <Seveas> /msg ubotu logs
[05:30] <j1mc> thanks, all.
[05:30] <Seveas> :)
[05:30] <TheSheep_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[05:30] <TheSheep_> :)
[05:31] <cellofellow> well, gtg
[05:33] <j1mc> thanks, all
[10:48] <F0> anyone hwere