[12:25] http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/sound-debug [12:25] no tarball === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === cheeseboy [n=g-fundie@66-189-75-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:41] maxamillion you still there? === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [12:46] can someone help me out? === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has left #xubuntu [] === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.221.249.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === drac [n=drac@gentoo/developer/drac] has joined #xubuntu [12:52] whats going on cheeseboy ? [12:53] tryin to setup multi-seat system [12:53] can you help me out? === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-206-125-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:57] oh nah cheeseboy you prolly should as over in #xorg === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:11] no help there either [01:14] I'm probably not much help either, but, what is the problem? [01:17] tryn to setup gdm for multiseat [01:17] don't get how to change the file [01:22] no you don't want to mess with gdm [01:22] thats your display manager [01:22] it starts and stops xsessions [01:22] http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multiseat-v-gdm-and-xkb.html [01:22] says to [01:25] i don't know anything about how Xephyr works [01:25] X( [01:25] What's the problem you're facing while changing the file? I don't see anythign in particular missing from the instructions. [01:25] s/anythign/anything/ [01:26] the problem is im dumb and am editing it rong [01:26] can you pastebin me an example of what it should look like? [01:28] gdm.conf is a bit big to paste entirely - what problems are you facing with the conf snippet on the site? [01:29] i duuno if i delete everything or what i delete.. [01:30] can you give me whole [server] section? [01:31] That's what they gave you on the site. Just replace your [servers] section with theirs. [01:36] kupo: what did you need? [01:37] http://pastebin.ca/398174 [01:37] like that...? [01:40] Yeah, though you'll probably want to comment out line 571, too. [01:40] wait opps [01:40] editing wrong file.. [01:41] doh === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu === cheeseboy [n=g-fundie@66-189-75-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:46] oh my gaws [01:46] gawd* [01:46] it works [01:47] woot === noenoe [n=videoedd@pool-151-202-58-180.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:48] hi [01:48] what kinda games kinna i install? === unikum is Away, Reason: ( sova ) | Since: ( Friday, March 16, 2007. 21:08:25 ) Xlack v2.1 [01:49] now to set up keyboards.. [01:49] model = "pc105" [01:49] keycodes = "evdev" [01:49] layout = "es" [01:50] whats us version of that? [01:50] doin a brand new Xubuntu installation after 1/2 year of hellish Ubuntu/xubuntu experiencew [01:50] for schrist sake!!!! [01:51] cheeseboy: 'us' [01:51] kno that but keycodes? [01:52] noenoe: I'm mostly into FPS, so I've got Nexuiz, Quake, BZflag, and Sauerbraten installed. [01:52] nexuiz pwns [01:52] noenoe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_first_person_shooters is a decent resource for more like that. [01:53] is there somethign like xfce-games or do I need to use xfce4-games [01:53] No, there're no xfce-specific games. [01:54] PuMpErNiCkLe, i need to change keycodes? [01:54] cheeseboy: No, that should be fine as-is. [01:54] ok this is my FIRST priority question [01:54] for Camera load and picture transfer what program do I use? Ubuntu recoginitize it on the spot [01:55] now I've plugged the camera in and nothing popped up [01:55] :'-( [01:56] plzzzzz [01:58] yo... I need some help on this [01:58] i am going to be held accountable [02:00] I'd probably install F-Spot, since it apparently works, or has worked, for you before. [02:00] PuMpErNiCkLe: ohh... excellent idea!! [02:00] thanks === czer323_ [i=czer323@cpe-71-66-230-94.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === fxr_ [n=fxr@89.242.196.12] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:08] hi maxamillion [02:09] somerville32_: are you around? [02:09] hello [02:09] maxamillion: do you think you'll make the xubuntu irc chat tomorrow? [02:10] j1mc: uhmm... what time? [02:12] maxamillion: 1500 GMT [02:13] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/777 [02:13] oh yeah ... jeebus i am out of the loop [02:13] grumpymole: hey! i used a tip off of your blog! :-) === OGDA is now known as BFTD [02:14] cody somerville has done so much for xubuntu. it's tough having him unavailable. [02:15] j1mc: yes, yes it is === noeneo [n=videoedd@pool-151-202-58-180.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:15] hi [02:16] ok [02:16] big problem [02:16] hi noeneo [02:16] what's wrong? [02:16] bfore i installed ubuntu and move to xubuntu [02:16] this is like a 6 year old hard drive [02:16] oh? [02:17] that installation began with random crashes that became more and more [02:17] now I made a new installation from scratch and the thing still crashes [02:17] two so far after a 3 hours old xubuntu installation [02:17] hmmm... it sounds like you think it is hardware related, noeneo [02:17] I AM AT LOSS [02:18] :'-( [02:18] ok the first crash was during transfering 1GB DVD data into the hard drive [02:19] noeneo: unfortunately, i don't think i'm qualified to help here. [02:19] noeneo: sounds like a bad hdd [02:19] the second crash has been during Amarok installation, it stopped right at the middle of setting up the programs [02:19] noeneo: www.ultimatebootcd.com <--- check out their hard drive diagnostic tools [02:20] maxamillion: thanks [02:21] noeneo: anytime :) [02:22] :-( [02:22] this is sad === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #xubuntu [02:22] hardware failure normally is [02:32] maxamillion: what program off the usb do I need to use? [02:32] sorry of the UBCD/ [02:32] ? [02:33] noeneo: in hard drive utilities you will probably want to run IBM DFT (Drive Fitness Test) its pretty generic and will run on almost all hard drives and give an accurate reading of the hard drive [02:40] thnaks [02:41] noeneo yeah sounds like its the HDD [02:42] np === j1mc_ [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:50] hi [02:51] problem wont able to install realplayer [02:52] this is what is got:sudo apt-get install realplay [02:52] Reading package lists... Done [02:52] Building dependency tree... Done [02:52] E: Couldn't find package realplay [02:52] hkhan@hkhan-desktop:~$ === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [02:52] BFTD: mm... it crashed several times before having xubuntu iso completely loaded. I three times. === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:53] vrkhans: do you have the correct repository in your sources.list to be able to install realplay? [02:53] hi i am having problem installing realplayer: this is what i got :sudo apt-get install realplay [02:53] Reading package lists... Done [02:53] Building dependency tree... Done [02:53] E: Couldn't find package realplay [02:53] hkhan@hkhan-desktop:~$ [02:53] vrkhans: please don't post more than once, especially if it is more than one line [02:54] oh sorry [02:54] its ok [02:54] vrkhans: do you have the right repository in your sources.list? [02:54] so what you are talking about the correct repo... i dont know , and i dont know how to check [02:54] vrkhans: if you don't know, then you don't [02:54] vrkhans: let me get you a link [02:55] ok [02:55] then do i have to edit some file [02:55] vrkhans: yes [02:56] hmm what is the file name [02:56] and what link [02:56] i have to put in [02:56] http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28RealPlayer_10.29 <--- on that link there is a pre-cursor to "sudo aptitude install realplay" that says "#How to add extra repositories", read that first and you will be fine [02:57] vrkhans: it will give you a step by step [03:07] hey maxamillion, the alternate install is asking me where to install , [03:08] vrkhans: the alternate install of xubuntu? [03:08] Enter the complete path to the directory where you want [03:08] RealPlayer to be installed. You must specify the full [03:08] pathname of the directory and have write privileges to [03:08] the chosen directory. [03:08] Directory: [/home/hkhan/Desktop/RealPlayer] : [03:08] no realplayer [03:09] sorry alternate source [03:09] vrkhans: yeah, why didn't you just do "sudo aptitude install realplay"? [03:09] vrkhans: i've never done it the way you are describing === RedBlade7 [n=danq@70.44.43.162.res-cmts.mlf.ptd.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:09] hi [03:10] HI!!!! [03:10] what package enables the sound in gnome-games and gaim? [03:10] un-mute [03:10] (my sound works in everything else) [03:10] no, it's fine through alsa [03:10] and oss [03:10] RedBlade7: add the volume manager to the panel and open it, one of the sound channels is probably just turned off/down [03:11] maxamillion: which dir i have to install [03:11] nothing's down, i'm just wondering what package is needed for gnome's sound in xubuntu [03:11] it was esd, right? i just don't know what pacakge [03:12] there's a bunch of them === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@F7383.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] vrkhans: i don't know ... never done it that way, and i don't think it matters if you are the only one who uses the computer [03:14] hmm what you suggest [03:14] RedBlade7: gaim sound works off a fresh install for me on every machine i've ever installed [03:14] vrkhans: i suggest using the link i told you to use and install it that way .... that's why i posted the link [03:15] thats what i am using [03:15] i give you another option [03:16] vrkhans: yeah, use the first one that edits the file and installs with aptitude ... its the best way to do it === j1mc [n=jim@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] ok any how, I also want to upgrade xubunt [03:16] to 6.10 [03:17] currently i am using 6.06 [03:18] but the problem is i try to install the 6.10 from the desktop and alternate cd but after few min i got a msg on my screen that "signal not found" now i am little shaky to upgrade to 6.10 [03:19] vrkhans: lemme get you a link for that too [03:19] vrkhans: there are known difficulties in upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10 [03:19] !upgrade [03:19] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [03:20] well there is one [03:20] vrkhans: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-0ee455b2d02f220b043c084f09dffb86c1c6bd79 [03:21] maxamillion: what you mean do not upgrade [03:25] vrkhans: i didn't say do not upgrade [03:26] :-) !upgrade [03:26] wht does that mean === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:27] sorry i am back [03:27] that was an instruction to ubotu to tell you about upgrading. [03:27] hmm [03:27] oey !(not ) upgrade [03:27] fine [03:28] what is ubotu [03:28] !help [03:28] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [03:29] ubotu === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [03:30] vrkhans: you are obviously a C/C++ or Java coder ;) [03:30] or you are just going to leave [03:31] sorry maxamillion, don't feel bad, he just went for a drink of water....or something === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.169.26] has joined #xubuntu [03:35] hello cellofellow [03:35] hi [03:36] cellofellow: i was going over some of the xubuntu meeting archives today... you were pretty active in some of them. === icicled [n=icicled@209.30.164.212] has joined #xubuntu [03:36] one of them [03:36] do you think you'll make the meeting tomorrow? [03:36] oh, one of them. :) [03:36] I haven't been able to make any since. [03:37] when exactly is it? [03:37] 1500 UTC [03:37] errr GMT [03:37] ok. Does UTC adjust for daylight time? [03:37] It's -7 on standard time from here. [03:38] so, would it be -6 now? [03:38] the actual listing on the fridge says GMT [03:38] (mountain time.) [03:38] UTC = GMT [03:38] I think === j1mc thinks so, too [03:38] maybe one does do daylight and the other doesn't. [03:38] cellofellow: UTC does not change. [03:39] i'm in u.s. central time, so i was planning on showing up at UTC-6, but now i need to check. :) [03:39] GMT does [03:39] brb [03:39] j1mc: US Central Daylight is UTC-5 [03:39] UCT, rather. [03:40] UTC actually [03:40] tonyyarusso: thanks . . . [03:40] cellofellow: I suppose we can thank the French for that, eh? [03:40] so, cellofellow i guess you would be utc -6 for tomorrow then. [03:42] anyway, cellofellow i hope you can make it. [03:42] back [03:42] so 1500 GMT -7? === icicled [n=icicled@209.30.164.212] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [03:42] cellofellow: i think -6 for you. tonyyarusso was saying -5 for me [03:43] right now it is Mountain Daylight Time. [03:43] see tonyyarusso's comment above [03:43] j1mc: US Central Daylight is UTC-5 [03:44] I see that. but the time you gave me was in GMT. GMT does use Daylight Savings stuff. So 1500 GMT -7 = 1400 UTC -6 [03:44] I hope [03:45] lemme ask around . . . brb [03:45] brb [03:49] cellofellow: check it out: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx [03:53] ok [03:53] 11pm [03:53] looks like you're UTC-6 for now. :) [03:54] 11pm? [03:54] 1 [03:54] 1100 [03:54] 11am [03:54] got it [03:54] :P [03:55] :) [04:05] gah, it' 9am [04:05] when did I learn to count? [04:06] Next year, apparently [04:07] lol === BFTD [n=Commande@unaffiliated/bftd] has joined #xubuntu [04:25] crimsun: still around/ [04:26] well ... so far lexical analyzer: 1 maxamillion: 0 [04:26] it works ... i get the first token, but from there it dies :( === fxr [n=fxr@89.242.196.12] has joined #xubuntu === Sultanovich [n=sultan@201.253.218.71] has joined #xubuntu === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === VeganChick [n=carolyn@nictel-dsl-65-155.slic.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:52] hey any of you guys can tell me any replacement for visual studio, I need a good c++ compiler and editor [04:53] I'm trying to install XFCE, and these 2 command lines don't work... [04:53] chmod +x xfce4-4.4RC2-installer.run [[and] ] sudo ./xfce4-4.4RC2-installer.run [04:53] VeganChick: You'll need to define "don't work" for someone to know [04:54] sorry, Terminal says it can't access the file/directory because it doesn't exist [04:54] I was installing the regular 4.4, so I changed the file name, and it still didn't work. [04:55] vrkhans: you want an IDE or a real compiler and a text editor with syntax highlighting? [04:56] VeganChick: you have xubuntu installed? [04:56] maxamillion: something that can replace visual studio [04:56] maxamillion: no [04:56] VeganChick: you running ubuntu? [04:56] VeganChick: You're in the directory that xfce4.4*.run resides in? [04:56] yes [04:56] yes, i'm running ubuntu [04:56] VeganChick: open a terminal and type "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop" ... that would be easier :) [04:57] vrkhans: you want the mono project [04:57] !mono === wheels3572 [n=wheels@mdm2-66-243-204-8.pivot.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:57] mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB [04:57] maxamillion: and xfce is bundled in that, right? [04:57] can someone help me out with editing a shortcut please [04:57] VeganChick: sure if :) [04:57] is* [04:57] haha, I always find the hard way to do things... [04:57] thats for c++ or .net [04:58] and then I just reboot and I'll be using xubuntu? [04:58] vrkhans: both [04:59] what about g++, does there any good front end for g++ and gdd [04:59] VeganChick: don't even have to reboot, just log out and click on "sessions" at the login screen and select xfce, then login :) [04:59] does a capital C for the word Control make a difference in shortcuts [04:59] maxamillion: I have to reboot anyway, lol. thanks for the help! [04:59] VeganChick: no problem :) [05:00] wheels3572: yes, its case sensitive [05:00] maxamillion, damn thats why ic ant do it. everytime i goto create a shortcut for terminal [05:01] yup [05:01] maxamillion, I hit control and it does a capital C [05:01] wheels3572: does it do C^ ? [05:02] yes it does C [05:02] i hit the control button [05:02] and it does C [05:02] exactly this here Control-t [05:02] wheels3572: if you are trying to do ctrl+c in the terminal it's ctrl+shift+c ... same for paste (add shift) [05:02] nope [05:02] ? [05:03] maxamillion, what im doing is this [05:03] i open up terminal window [05:03] goto preferences [05:03] then where it says open terminal [05:03] i clear that command out [05:03] and then hit ctrl === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [05:03] onc ei do that [05:03] it shows up as Control [05:03] not control [05:03] ohhhh that ... no, it shouldn't matter [05:04] well i cant get it to open period [05:04] LOL my dog is chasing her tail ... never seen her do that [05:04] unless there is a terminal window already open [05:04] .... she caught it :) [05:04] wheels3572: that's a tad strange [05:04] very [05:04] if there is a terminal window already open [05:04] i can hit ctrl t [05:04] and it opens up a second one === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-177-220.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [05:04] if there is NO windows open [05:05] it wont work [05:05] wheels3572: ctrl+t might be translated to "open a _new_ window" [05:05] thats' what i wanna do :) [05:05] i wanna open a window period [05:05] lol [05:05] wheels3572: no ... i meant _another_ window ... sorry :/ [05:06] wheels3572: i think you want to add the shortcut in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Keyboard->Shortcuts [05:07] wheels3572: because the terminal is only listening to your keyboard for shortcuts when the application is open and in focus, but the desktop environment is always listening to your keyboard :) === VeganChick [n=carolyn@nictel-dsl-65-155.slic.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:08] wb VeganChick [05:08] I can't seem to get my right-click emulation to work. (I'm on a one-button MacBook) [05:08] ty maxamillion [05:08] maxamillion, ok so waht would be the terminal command [05:08] gnome-terminal? [05:08] VeganChick: out of my league on the multitouch trackpad :/ [05:08] haha [05:08] wheels3572: Terminal (case sensitive) [05:08] ok [05:09] wheels3572: xubuntu uses the xfce terminal which is apparently just called "Terminal" :) [05:09] sweeeeeeeeeeet ty max :) [05:09] tha's what I wanted :) [05:09] wheels3572: no problem [05:09] headache gone :) [05:09] ty lol [05:09] wheels3572: i just didn't understand what you had wanted in the beginngin ... sorry ;) [05:09] np, anytime [05:09] np [05:09] im new [05:09] so didnt' explain it right [05:09] lol [05:10] hmm, both DVD players seem to be doing something weird... [05:10] ohhh while im here [05:10] the screen is split in half diagonally [05:10] does anyone know if FeistyFawn is out for Xubuntu [05:10] and the two halves are moving at slightly different speeds [05:10] or will it not be out till Official release [05:11] !feisty | wheels3572 [05:11] wheels3572: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu) [05:11] :) [05:11] !botsnack [05:11] Yum! [05:11] good ubotu [05:11] tonyyarusso, i know about Ubuntu :) just wondering about Xubuntu flavor :) [05:12] wheels3572: Xubuntu has the same devel process - we'll hit beta shortly here. [05:12] wheels3572: should be either the same day or within the same week [05:12] ok [05:12] ty max [05:12] np [05:12] just wish they had beta versions for Xubuntu of Feisty :) [05:12] wheels3572: we aim for the same day, but it will depend on final testing and bug fixes [05:12] right [05:13] night [05:13] wheels3572: we lack man power so it is subject to how much freetime our community members have [05:13] laters [05:13] ok === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.221.249.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:28] maxamillion: does mono is g++ to something different [05:28] wait ... what? [05:29] !mono [05:29] mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.17.1-1ubuntu7.1 (edgy), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB [05:29] !g++ [05:29] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!) [05:29] yeah ... that help.ubuntu link, go there [05:29] That remembers me: firefox conflicts with libxul headers :'( [05:30] vrkhans: and then go to http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page to check out the Mono project [05:30] kalikiana: firefox conflicts with life [05:30] kalikiana: i love it but i can't stand how slow it has become [05:30] Anyone online know about right-click emulation? [05:31] maxamillion, There was a reason to install libxul headers (aka gecko library) ;) [05:32] kalikiana: this is why i use aptitude ... it handles all that for me :) [05:32] kalikiana: you know about right click emulation on a macbook? [05:33] maxamillion, on a macbook apple+click should be like right button ,shouldn't it? [05:34] kalikiana: yes, but the new macbooks have a dual touch sensor pad so you can tap with a second finger and it will right click === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [05:36] maxamillion, sounds cool, my gf's laptop has an extra button below for that. i wonder how it can distinguish the two fingers... [05:36] i dunno :/ [05:38] But none of the cool MacBook touchpad stuff ports into ubuntu [05:38] and xubuntu won't even take my emulation commands [05:39] VeganChick: i know there is a driver for it, i heard of a friend who got it working but he isn't online right now [05:39] kalikiana: iirc, it's ctrl+mouse for right-click [05:41] VeganChick, ctrl+click is xfce-specific iirc [05:42] kalikiana: sorry, I thought you were wondering about OS X [05:43] no idea. personally i have xubuntu and a mac menubar :P === grazie_ [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === grazie_ is now known as grazie [05:45] kalikiana: haha, mac menubar in xubuntu? [05:45] I'm dual-booting OS x and xubuntu === grazie same here [05:46] kalikiana: do you mean some kind of dock? [05:46] VeganChick: yeah ... there are alot of linux dock copy cats out there [05:47] oh, I was wondering why a mac menubar would be so great === Sultanovich [n=sultan@201.253.218.71] has left #xubuntu ["Abandonando"] [05:48] VeganChick: its pretty ;) [05:48] VeganChick, No, I mean that I have a global menubar for Gtk apps, like on OSX [05:49]