=== manchicken_ just had passport photos taken.
[12:17] <manchicken_> Will a valid US passport be enough?
[12:17] <manchicken_> The folks at Kinkos seemed to think that I'd need to have a photo in a special size for the country that I'm travelling to.
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[12:21] <Riddell> it's up to your home country what style of passport you have
[12:22] <crimsun_> manchicken_: it's sufficient.
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[12:22] <manchicken_> That's what I figured.
[12:23] <manchicken_> What a bunch of jerks.
[12:23] <Riddell> if you need a visa those have special requirements, in the UK donating to the Labour party is sufficient
[12:23] <Riddell> but I doubt you need a visa for spain, they should have a visa waiver programme
[12:23] <Riddell> obviously check with the embassy toot sweet to be sure
[12:24] <manchicken_> I don't think folks from the US need anything normal than the normal 90-day tourist visas.
[12:24] <manchicken_> That's what we had in Mexico.
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[02:18] <danimo> moin
[02:18] <danimo> imbrandon: ping?
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[03:38] <Paleo> !seen ryanakca
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ryanakca - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
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[04:26] <besonen_mobile_> i'm running 7.04.  after using adept to install a few supported apps, adept no longer seems to able to install anything.  i've attempted to install at least half a dozen supported apps and everytime the download completes.  the installation commences and then halts and i am then presented with a "Could not commit changes - Adept Manager" error message.  are there any know issues that might cause this?  how can i trouble-sh
[04:26] <besonen_mobile_> oot this problem (does adept have an error log)?  i'm about to walk away from the machine that's logging this channel for one day.  if anyone has any advice if you'd be kind enough to email it me in addition to posting to this channel i'd be very appreciative (com panix davidb - reverse order for my address).  the laptop i'm experiencing this problem with will be with me on the road.  thanks.  peace, david.
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[05:54] <nixternal> whee
[05:56] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[05:56] <lotusleaf> I second the "whee" motion
[05:57] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:57] <Hobbsee> heya lotusleaf!
[05:57] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: you were the one wondering about kdar, werent you?
[05:58] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee, hi ;) ya, I gunned for that for awhile
[05:58] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee, I noticed on xarchiver.xfce.org that they may want to implement some type of dar support
[05:59] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: the new version of kdar still doesnt build, it seems
[05:59] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee, lol thx for the info, perhaps it's time to remove kdar from the repos if this keeps up in favor of some other solution?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> yes, that's what i'm thinking
[06:01] <Hobbsee> wait for debian to package it
[06:01] <Hobbsee> or store it somewhere.  not sure which
[06:03] <lotusleaf> cool, I notice a few people leaving feedback @ lp about it now and then, hopefully something is done.. has anyone attempted to contact the kdar developer(s)?
[06:03] <lotusleaf> I've never even used kdar, it's just something I kept seeing in the forums, newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. with people talking about it being broken so I've kept on it
[06:05] <Hobbsee> i havent.  i should, though
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[06:06] <lotusleaf> nifty, I'll try beryl in feisty.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> if it gets there
[06:08] <lotusleaf> I'm satisfied with Compiz
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[08:50] <fdoving> my god, the 'command-not-found' package is the most annoying thing i've ever experienced.
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[09:14] <sredna> hi
[09:15] <sredna> what is that status of k3b? having 1.0 in the release would be cool ;)
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[09:36] <Lure> sredna: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps - we hope we get UVF exception, Riddell is working on it...
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[09:49] <sredna> hi Lure :)
[09:50] <sredna> what is UVF exception?
[09:52] <abattoir> !uvf | sredna
[09:52] <ubotu> sredna: uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[09:54] <sredna> thank you :)
[09:55] <abattoir> you're welcome :)
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[11:11] <crimsun> heh, little did I think that we'd end up having a [forced]  beryl packaging sprint ;)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:12] <Hobbsee> well, if it can be put in, and not full of crack, then that's probably a decent thing
[11:14] <crimsun> we're going to need a beryl triaging team soon.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> any volunteers?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> midn you, it seems ilke that UI job includes desktop effects stuff
[11:15] <crimsun> so Hobbsee, how much do you like Beryl? :-)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, it annoys me that it doesnt work with view ports.
[11:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: apart from that, i'ts nice
[11:15] <Hobbsee> just a bit much bling, in original config
[11:16] <Hobbsee> but the factr it doesnt work with standard workspaces, etc, or doesnt work seamlessly with them greatly annoys me
[11:17] <Hobbsee> crimsun: were you volunteering?  :P
[11:18] <crimsun> I'm pretty much already on it :/
[11:18] <crimsun> I've probably triaged as many beryl bugs as I have alsa-utils
[11:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:19] <Hobbsee> yes, but you cant reject tehm all now
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[11:24] <danimo> Hobbsee: tainted?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> danimo: by beryl
[11:24] <Hobbsee> and desktop effects
[11:24] <Hobbsee> and compix
[11:24] <Hobbsee> *compiz
[11:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: yeah, kwin in kde4 will be enough
[11:25] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[11:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: I tried it and its fairly nice already effect,wise, just the usability sucks :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:30] <Hobbsee> crimsun: argh, scary.  +1
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[01:34] <_StefanS_> hello
[01:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: you there?
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[01:35] <_StefanS_> hey hobbs
[01:39] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: did you take the cluebat?
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: cluebat ?!  err guess my english aint that good
[01:39] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: large heavy bat for smashing idiots over the head with
[01:39] <Hobbsee> i need it - for work.
[01:40] <nixternal> good mornin'
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well nope, I didn't take it.. who's the idiots ? :)
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[01:41] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: the ones at my work.  they've been insane over this weekend.
[01:42] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well its like that sometimes
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[01:44] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[01:46] <_StefanS_> hey Juco
=== _StefanS_ is working again ... like thats ever going to change
[01:46] <Jucato> :)
[01:46] <_StefanS_> atleast I get paid accordiingly
[01:46] <_StefanS_> its double up today :)
[01:46] <Hobbsee> :)
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[01:47] <_StefanS_> hehe
[01:47] <_StefanS_> Well I experiemented with kdesu, and have gotten a little further ..
[01:47] <Hobbsee> how so?  :)
[01:49] <_StefanS_> well after I got it to compile, the effect wasn't showing .. I thought it was the kdesu covering it, but it seems like i start the effect at the wrong place instead - so that has giving me some more to work with
[01:49] <_StefanS_> kdesu/kdesu dialog
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ahh
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[01:50] <_StefanS_> I will be hacking a bit now, while I have another guy test some work related stuff..
[01:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well I think Riddell was going to speak with the ubuntu web dude for finding out what to do ..
[01:53] <Jucato> ah kool :)
[01:53] <Jucato> and of course kwwii's artwork :D
[01:54] <Jucato> gr... getting distracted from C++ again by web design :P
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[01:57] <mhb> hmm
[01:58] <mhb> I know it's off-topic, but can someone explain to me the difference between a restricted driver and a proprietary driver?
[01:58] <mhb> I need that for translations
[02:00] <_StefanS_> restricted is because the license is not entirely free, could be a variant of GPL (LGPL or something)
[02:00] <_StefanS_> propreritary is closed source binary blobs
[02:01] <Jucato> afaik "restricted" is an Ubuntu-created term, created to distinguish drivers/packages that are proprietary but considered by Ubuntu as necessary
[02:01] <_StefanS_> where you cannot get access to the source, and if you can that would be under a NDA-agreement, and you cant disclose any information to the public
[02:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I think so too
[02:02] <_StefanS_> mhb: it seems like Jucato knows more about this ...
[02:02] <Jucato> heh no :)
[02:03] <Jucato> I just based that on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components :D
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[02:04] <_StefanS_> afk ?
[02:04] <mhb> _StefanS_: away from keyboard
[02:04] <_StefanS_> oh :)
[02:05] <Jucato> so that in case mhb looks for me for clarifications, he knows that I'm not here :)
[02:06] <manchicken_> Is that nice value debconf issue because debconf is wrong or because the package it is processing is wrong?
[02:08] <manchicken_> console-setup is giving dpkg errors.... :(
[02:08] <manchicken_> That makes me a sad panda.
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[02:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: the packages work fine is you run from the console (on my system(s) )
[02:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: adept is just buggy ..
[02:09] <manchicken_> _StefanS_: This particular issue is the debconf front-end, not adept.
[02:10] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: ok, then debconf doesn't work.
[02:10] <manchicken_> I think the debconf front-end is Perl, and that's my thing.
[02:10] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: its in some db driver i know .
[02:10] <manchicken_> If someone could give me a crash-course in the debconf thingy I could check it out.
[02:12] <_StefanS_> well you're probably better of asking that in #ubuntu-devel instead, or even debian ..
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[02:14] <manchicken_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10886/ <-- hotkeys package is giving me trouble, too :(
[02:14] <Riddell> abattoir: your new oem-installer got in?
[02:15] <abattoir> Riddell: hi! yes, sometime mid-last week
[02:15] <abattoir> Riddell: the only other change that i need to make is to force it to use Plastique
[02:15] <manchicken_> OEM?!
[02:15] <abattoir> Riddell: i'm waiting for the weekend to get over, so that i can ping cjwatson with it
[02:15] <manchicken_> abattoir: Are you building computers for sale?
[02:15] <abattoir> manchicken_: no :)
[02:16] <manchicken_> Damn.  Foiled again.
[02:16] <abattoir> manchicken_: oem installer is for vendors who do that, of course
[02:16] <manchicken_> Yeah...
[02:16] <abattoir> manchicken_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller
[02:16] <manchicken_> I was merely hoping that I could find me some inexpensive unstable kubuntu laptop goodness.
[02:17] <manchicken_> And I am looking for cheap hardware for my compile farm :)
[02:17] <abattoir> manchicken_: System76 seems to be popular, but i have no experience with them at all.
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[02:25] <manchicken_> abattoir: You know if system76 is US-based?
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[02:26] <abattoir> manchicken_: yup, Denver CO
[02:27] <abattoir> (according to w'pedia)
[02:27] <manchicken_> _StefanS_: Your hard drive is going to be insanely well used once I get one of these system76 boxen
[02:27] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: sounds good :)
[02:27] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: glad I could help.. btw, there's still warranty on it if you encounter issues with it
[02:27] <abattoir> manchicken_: yup, even their site confirms that :)
[02:28] <abattoir> manchicken_: their HQ, not about you abus... err using _StefanS_'s HD ;)
[02:28] <_StefanS_> heh
[02:28] <nixternal> hola Kubuntu'ites
[02:28] <abattoir> hi nixternal :)
[02:29] <nixternal> uh oh
[02:29] <nixternal> kwwii: are you around?
[02:29] <manchicken_> System76 installs ubuntu by default, so it would be insanely simple to get kubuntu on there.
[02:29] <manchicken_> So... delicious...
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[02:29] <nixternal> kwwii: http://tinyurl.com/2of636
[02:29] <manchicken_> And they use the right video cards for their machines.
[02:30] <_StefanS_> damn i just poured coffee all over the table..
[02:30] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: what system were you thinking of getting from system666 ?
[02:30] <_StefanS_> 76
[02:32] <manchicken_> heh
[02:33] <manchicken_> The gazelle looks good for a lappy, ratel for desktop
[02:33] <nixternal> how is the weather down in hickland manchicken_?
[02:34] <manchicken_> hickland.  heh
[02:34] <manchicken_> It's kinda nice.
[02:34] <manchicken_> Supposed to warm up a bit.
[02:34] <manchicken_> Up to 13'C IIRC
[02:34] <manchicken_> Er, now they're saying 8'C
[02:34] <nixternal> OK, I am not converting that, so tell me in chicago temp
[02:35] <manchicken_> about 45ish
[02:35] <nixternal> heh, U-bud-tu
[02:35] <nixternal> dude made a cap for beryla nd called it u-bud-tu with a pot leaf in the middle of logo
[02:35] <manchicken_> That's... um... stupid.
[02:35] <nixternal> come on. Go smoke your ubuntu!
[02:35] <nixternal> haha
[02:42] <freeflying> bug 93384
[02:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93384 in qt4-x11 "The demos and examples of Qt 4 are not provided in compiled form" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93384
[02:43] <nixternal> LUG time!
[02:43] <freeflying> this may be a wishlist
[02:43] <Riddell> freeflying: it is a wishlist, it's also a good idea, but too late for feisty
[02:44] <nixternal> freeflying: same here, however I got some new ones on a CD with my Qt4 book
[02:44] <freeflying> Riddell: have you got my mail
[02:44] <nixternal> when I get home later if anyone is interested, I will provide a list of the examples
[02:51] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, I see the same issue
[02:52] <Riddell> freeflying: dirk from suse seems certain that it should fix it, but it doesn't
[02:53] <freeflying> Riddell: then we will use 3.3.7 for feisty, there only one month left before feisty out  :)
[02:53] <Riddell> freeflying: I think so, I'll ask tfheen about reverting after beta is out
[02:56] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, in the Firefox home page, (/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html), the "KMenu->Help" words look like a hyperlink.
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[03:38] <mhb> Riddell: how hard it is to migrate kubuntu.org to drupal?
[03:39] <mhb> I've noticed many people are asking for a new kubuntu.org look, not just here :o)
[03:39] <Jucato> :D
[03:46] <kwwii> nixternal: thanks for pointing that out
[03:47] <kwwii> nixternal: although we discourage people from making packages against kde3, since we put them in under an open license we really cannot do anything about that :-)
[03:48] <mhb> hi kwwii
[03:48] <kwwii> hi mhb
[03:48] <abattoir> hi mhb, kwwii :)
[03:48] <mhb> is the new logo all that will be changed on kdm login screen / KDE splash ?
[03:48] <mhb> hey abattoir
[03:48] <kwwii> mhb: not too much more will be changed, no
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[03:50] <mhb> kwwii: hmm, I thought every kubuntu/ubuntu release should include a new visual style (well, at least a bit modified style, so people can recognize what release it is)
[03:58] <kwwii> mhb: well, this is a bit different :-)
[04:01] <kwwii> actually, I worked on a variation of the wallpaper too, but it simply looks better with a bit of purple in it :-)
[04:02] <mhb> okay then
[04:06] <Riddell> mhb: I really have no idea
[04:06] <Riddell> mhb: we have a drupal set up that we can use for testing stuff on
[04:06] <mhb> Riddell: can I get access to it? or at least see the current progress?
[04:09] <Riddell> mhb: e-mail?
[04:09] <Riddell> got it
[04:10] <Riddell> sent
[04:11] <Riddell> ignore the first one
[04:13] <mhb> thanks
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[04:38] <nixternal> Jucato: you lost me on the link
[04:39] <Jucato> nixternal: the text used for K Menu -> Help is blue. it looks like a hyperlink. but it's static text, right?
[04:39] <nixternal> ahh
[04:39] <nixternal> ya
[04:39] <nixternal> Jucato: that is annoying I guess
[04:39] <nixternal> but it follows the KDE styling guide
[04:39] <Jucato> doesn't the KDE styling guide use boldface for menu items?
[04:42] <nixternal> ya it does, good point
[04:43] <Jucato> hope it's not too late though :)
[04:43] <nixternal> oh I know why, it is because that was created from html and not xml
[04:43] <nixternal> that is why that didn't cover over
[04:43] <nixternal> Jucato: it is to late, but not to late. it isn't a string so we will be fine
[04:44] <Jucato> ah ok kool :)
[04:44] <nixternal> we still have one more doc package for translations
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[04:48] <nixternal> Jucato: actually no the menu stuff doesn't get bolded. I thought it did, but after looking through the xslt temps it doesn't
[04:48] <nixternal> those links are supposed to be black, but have a gray background behind them
[04:49] <Jucato> ah ok
[04:49] <nixternal> keycombos such as Alt+f1 would get bolded
[04:49] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought the same as you though on that one
[04:51] <Jucato> hehe sorry for the confusion :)
[04:53] <mhb> Riddell: remember the catalogue bug of adept?
[04:54] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I sort of figured out why kdesu doesn't work, and thus what is needed for it to work out . . the KPasswordDialog needs to be a popup window, and then it will work
[04:54] <mhb> Riddell: bug 47181
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in adept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[04:54] <Jucato> _StefanS_: oh it's not a popup winndow?
[04:54] <_StefanS_> Jucato: trouble is that KPasswordDialog can't be a popup window, so I have to code a new dialog from scratch
[04:54] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope.. regular dialog QDialog ->KDialog->KpasswordDialog
[04:54] <Jucato> aaah
[04:55] <mhb> Riddell: it's still causing trouble because you told me to name the main catalogue "libapt-front" ... but there's no libapt-front in Rosetta, so no libapt-front.mo
[04:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: however I thought it would be possible to override stuff, to make it happen anyways
[04:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: and another thing.. it seems like QPixmap::grabwindow is extremely slow in 1600x1200.. takes a few seconds to grab
[04:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: and I don't see a fix for this anywhere..
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[04:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you're on feisty now, arent you ?
[04:56] <mhb> Riddell: there's libept and libadept, both of which seem to be the same thing that libadept-front should have been
[04:56] <Jucato> yes
[04:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: could you see how slow/fast my testapp works on your system ?
[04:57] <Jucato> _StefanS_: sure. but you'd have to tell me how to install it :)
[04:57] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just run it from a konsole
[04:57] <_StefanS_> Jucato: got a mail ?
[04:57] <Jucato> yeah: jucato@kubuntu.org :P
[04:57] <_StefanS_> hehe
[04:57] <_StefanS_> nice one there
[04:57] <Jucato> hope it lasts forever :D
[04:58] <_StefanS_> Jucato: heh, well Its sent now..
[04:58] <Jucato> ok gonna check now :)
[04:59] <_StefanS_> goody
[05:00] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ./foo ?
[05:00] <_StefanS_> yes
[05:01] <Jucato> ok what should I be looking for?
[05:02] <_StefanS_> the speed of which the faded background appear
[05:02] <_StefanS_> or the lack of ;)
[05:02] <Jucato> it appears instantaneously here
[05:02] <_StefanS_> erh ?!
[05:02] <Jucato> not like the logout fade
[05:02] <_StefanS_> what x driver are you using ?
[05:02] <Jucato> nvidia-glx
[05:03] <_StefanS_> ah..might be ati
[05:03] <_StefanS_> i'm using fglrx
[05:03] <_StefanS_> what resolution are you running ?
[05:03] <Jucato> the highest that I can... 1024x768 :(
[05:03] <_StefanS_> hmm ..
[05:04] <_StefanS_> maybe its ok then.. I can't do it any different anyways
[05:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: do you think it needs to fade, or is that instant thing okay ?
[05:05] <Jucato> let me check again :D
[05:05] <_StefanS_> cause I like it appearing instantly
[05:05] <Jucato> imho the instant thing is better in this case (unlike the logout)
[05:06] <Jucato> it's a different use case imho
[05:06] <_StefanS_> yes because you need to move on quickly, since you're in the process of running an application
[05:06] <Jucato> and an important one at that
[05:07] <Jucato> but, I just noticed that clicking outside the dialog box cancels it, like the logout dialog. that might not be good in this case, imho again
[05:08] <_StefanS_> well I tried to make it ignore that, but since they are of the type popup, I might have to override the click events
[05:08] <_StefanS_> and just reject them
[05:08] <Jucato> hm... ah because the effect doesn't work w/ dialog boxes...
[05:08] <_StefanS_> yessir..
[05:08] <_StefanS_> thats the whole problem
[05:09] <Jucato> :(
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[05:09] <_StefanS_> If i'm not using popup, I just get a maximized window displaying "testapplication" in the top, and the it fades inside that window
[05:09] <_StefanS_> intercepting the click event should be easy though
[05:09] <Jucato> _StefanS_: try asking in #kde-devel btw?
[05:09] <Jucato> lol you just did
[05:09] <Jucato> :D
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[05:10] <_StefanS_> ;D
[05:10] <_StefanS_> and #qt also
[05:11] <Jucato> thiago's good w/ Qt (former Tt employee iirc)
[05:12] <_StefanS_> Thermaltake ?
[05:12] <_StefanS_> oh trolltech.. .hehe
[05:12] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: do I have to mention that I have just upgraded my mobile hamster ?
[05:13] <Jucato> ooooh
[05:13] <Jucato> you're just doing this to make me jealous...
[05:13] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yesss... 3gigs mem, and another 100gb 7200rpm hd ;)
[05:13] <manchicken_> Did I mention that I'm getting a dog named Penguin?
[05:13] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: does it look like one ?
[05:13] <manchicken_> Kinda.
[05:13] <Jucato> bah!
[05:14] <manchicken_> Black pitbull mix with white in all the proper places.  heh
[05:14] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hehe ;=)
[05:14] <manchicken_> She's almost as hyper as me.
[05:14] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: does it eat cats ?
[05:14] <Jucato> does she have a yellow nose/mouth?
[05:14] <manchicken_> Naw.
[05:14] <manchicken_> Nope.
[05:14] <Jucato> ah.. not tux then... :)
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[05:14] <manchicken_> Jucato: But with medical technologies being what they are, that could be arranged ;)
=== Jucato likes cats.. but not persians and siamese..
[05:15] <manchicken_> _StefanS_: I've got a Persian Blue myself.
[05:15] <manchicken_> 16 pounder, too.
[05:15] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: oh, they're really good as indoor pets
[05:15] <manchicken_> (that's just over a stone for you weird people)
[05:16] <_StefanS_> manchicken_: hey we use kilograms, and pounds is just 0,5kg
[05:16] <_StefanS_> a pound
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[09:28] <mhb> ryanakca_: not sure about kubuntu-devel, but I surely am :o)
[09:28] <ryanakca_> lol, kk
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[09:51] <ryanakca> mhb: almost set up then 
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I found a way make that kdesu dialog work, but I need your opinion before proceeding
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[09:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping about kolab, etc.
[09:59] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: lets hope he answers ;)
=== ryanakca nods
[09:59] <ryanakca> Sunday, 10PM (I think)... dunno 
[10:00] <mhb> 9PM is more accurate
[10:00] <mhb> I guess
=== Hobbsee waves
[10:01] <_StefanS_> hey hobbs
[10:02] <mhb> in my country people usually greet friends with their first name so ... good morning sarah
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hehe, hi mhb
=== Hobbsee wishes she could go back to sleep
[10:07] <mhb> well, time for sleep
[10:07] <ryanakca> night martin
=== ryanakca checks to make sure that that's mhb's real name
[10:08] <Hobbsee> night mhb
[10:08] <Hobbsee> besides, martin is not in my tab completion.
=== Hobbsee is lazy
[10:08] <ryanakca> lol
=== mhb wonders if the word "completion" is in Hobbsee's completion ...
[10:10] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:10] <mhb> cause it's longer than my first name :o)
[10:11] <mhb> anyway, goodnight
[10:12] <Hobbsee> true that
[10:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Any idea who we bug about the kubuntu domains
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah....riddell, jono, canonical sysadmins - probably in that order
[10:16] <ryanakca> kk, thanks
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[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell must be turned off. After all I suspect he might a robot, as I said before... always working :)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> it's a sunday, too
[10:22] <_StefanS_> well maybe he likes to take a day off too
[10:22] <_StefanS_> :)
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: what resolution and xorg driver are you using ?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I would like you to test something if you have the time that is ..
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[10:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: feel like helping me test our kolab server?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i've got an intel 965 graphics card .  1280x800
=== Hobbsee is in a meeting, and mostly asleep
=== Hobbsee is lying in bed with the laptop again :P
[10:39] <ryanakca> lol
[10:39] <ryanakca> sounds fun
[10:39] <_StefanS_> ok, well that works fine.. I'm after a nvidia
[10:39] <Hobbsee> cant help you there, sorry
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[10:39] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: what does it involve?
[10:39] <_StefanS_> thanks for anyways
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: just running a little program that fades the screen
[10:40] <ryanakca> sure, where do I get it?
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: interested in how fast (or slow) it is
=== ryanakca nods
[10:40] <Hobbsee> hooray, uvfe time
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: I can mail you the binary
[10:40] <ryanakca> kk
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[10:40] <_StefanS_> gimme your mail adress
[10:41] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: ryanakca  kubuntu point com
[10:41] <_StefanS_> oka 2secs
=== ryanakca is sure spammers have figured out that foo at bar dot com = foo@bar.com... so I use french 
[10:42] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: oka, its sent.
[10:42] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: just chmod +x and ./testapplication
[10:42] <ryanakca> kk
[10:42] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: err.. it bounced my mail with relaying denied ?
[10:43] <_StefanS_> <ryanakca@kubuntu.com>: host fiordland.ubuntu.com[82.211.81.145]  said: 554
[10:43] <_StefanS_>     <ryanakca@kubuntu.com>: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
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[10:43] <_StefanS_> ehh kinda wierd
[10:43] <ryanakca> at gmail dot com
[10:43] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:43] <Hobbsee> gmail doesnt accept binaries
[10:43] <Hobbsee> upload it somewhere
[10:44] <ryanakca> oooh, kubuntu.org, my bad
[10:44] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: what about tarballing it?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: dunno about that
[10:44] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: off to gmail it is :)
[10:44] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: worth a try, kubuntu.org = gmail.com
[10:45] <ryanakca> manchicken__: feel like helping me test kolab?
[10:46] <ryanakca> or anybody else with nothing to do?
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[10:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: have you noticed gmail being worse with spam filtering lately?
[10:47] <ryanakca> Yes... much
[10:47] <ryanakca> I never used to get spam... but now, I get 2-3 in a day
[10:48] <ryanakca> well, it filtered out all the spam... now it's missing some
[10:48] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:48] <ryanakca> ever since they opened it to the public...
=== Hobbsee switched away from gmail, due to that.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:48] <yuriy> _StefanS_: i have nvidia if you need another tester
[10:48] <_StefanS_> yuriy: what res?
[10:48] <yuriy> _StefanS_: 1400x1050
[10:49] <_StefanS_> yuriy: ah nice, that would be a good test
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[10:49] <yuriy> _StefanS_: also 1280x1024
[10:49] <_StefanS_> the higher the better
[10:49] <_StefanS_> it seems to be appeared in the higher resolutions
[10:49] <yuriy> _StefanS_: upload it somewhere?
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[10:49] <_StefanS_> yuriy: just gimme your email :)
[10:50] <yuriy> heh it's gmail too. another one then
[10:50] <yuriy> _StefanS_: ykozlov AT brandeis DOT edu
[10:50] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: why dont you have a shell account somewhere?
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well I could just put the file online on my website.. but I like email
[10:51] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:51] <_StefanS_> yuriy: http://enhance-it.dk/testapplication
[10:52] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: just grab that ^
=== _StefanS_ should definitely be sleeping ..
[10:53] <ryanakca> bash: ./testapplication: No such file or directory
[10:53] <Hobbsee> chmod +x it?
=== ryanakca nods
[10:53] <_StefanS_> yes
[10:54] <ryanakca> tab completed it even, so no typos
[10:54] <_StefanS_> err
[10:54] <_StefanS_> let me try
[10:54] <ryanakca> kk
[10:55] <_StefanS_> works here
[10:55] <ryanakca> ryan@sigma:~$ ./testapp*on
[10:55] <ryanakca> bash: ./testapplication: No such file or directory
[10:55] <ryanakca> I've run chmod 777 on it as well
[10:55] <ryanakca> hmm... what did you compile it on?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> do a file testapplication to see if it got corrupted
[10:55] <_StefanS_> x86
[10:56] <ryanakca> apps compiled on a certain CPU might only work on certain CPUs...
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[10:56] <_StefanS_> should be generic
[10:56] <ryanakca> testapplication: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[10:56] <_StefanS_> oka, can you do with a kdevelop project then ?
[10:56] <ryanakca> hmm... sure
[10:57] <_StefanS_> http://enhance-it.dk/testapplication.tar.gz
[10:58] <_StefanS_> sorry, its there now
[10:58] <_StefanS_> wasnt 10 secs ago :)
[10:58] <yuriy> new link?
[10:58] <_StefanS_> nope the same
[10:59] <_StefanS_> this is the kdevelop project
[11:00] <yuriy> _StefanS_: is it supposed to be an animation like with the feisty shutdown dialog?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yuriy: nope
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yuriy: just grey.
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yuriy: is it fast ?
[11:02] <yuriy> _StefanS_: fast, just a tiny flicker before it appears
[11:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: I think that is just Qt doing its thing..
[11:02] <_StefanS_> yuriy: good, and you're on 1400x1050 ?
[11:02] <yuriy> _StefanS_: that was 1280 one sec
[11:02] <_StefanS_> oka
[11:03] <yuriy> _
[11:03] <yuriy> _StefanS_: about the same on 1400x1050
[11:03] <_StefanS_> yuriy: oka, so no noticable wait
[11:04] <yuriy> no wait, but i can see it drawing
[11:04] <yuriy> but it takes <1s
[11:04] <_StefanS_> ok, do you think its ok to wait for that before being presented with the kdesu dialog, when eg. starting adept or something ?
[11:07] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: It doesn't fade into grey really... just makes the screen grey
[11:07] <ryanakca> and... the logout/shutdown dialog button thingy is really off center
[11:08] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: well dont mind the dialog there, its just random stuff
[11:08] <ryanakca> aka, the screen is normal, flickers, and is grey
[11:08] <yuriy> _StefanS_: i think a fade would be nicer, but that needs compositing or it'd be slow, right?
=== ryanakca thinks a fade like Ubuntu's would be nice
[11:08] <_StefanS_> yuriy: yes.. its really a compromise
[11:08] <ryanakca> gradual
[11:09] <yuriy> _StefanS_: but ubuntu does it? as ryanakca just said?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> yuriy: yep donno about gtk, but some stuff seems faster
[11:09] <ryanakca> how did the gnome people do it without compositing? (aka, I didn't have compositing on, and it worked, and was nice and gradual... and it was an older machine too)
[11:10] <yuriy> ok i tried gksu
[11:10] <yuriy> it's gradual, but it flickers
[11:10] <_StefanS_> well all I know is that QPixmap::grabWindow() which I use is extremely slow ..
[11:10] <_StefanS_> and AFAIK theres no alternative
[11:10] <yuriy> but still a little nicer than shorter flicker and not gradual
[11:11] <ryanakca> is it safe to assume that the oldest video card for kubuntu will be 5 years?
[11:11] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: donno, probably
[11:11] <ryanakca> or do we have to make it compatible with /all/ of them?
[11:11] <ryanakca> s/we/you
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[11:12] <_StefanS_> well if you got a slower machine I say you're used to waiting a bit for stuff to happen, else you might atleast choose something like puppylinux instead
[11:12] <_StefanS_> and not kde ;)
[11:12] <ryanakca> lol
[11:12] <ryanakca> yeah... you'd be more likely to use XFCE/xubuntu
[11:12] <_StefanS_> maybe I will make a gradual fade.. just dont want to slow the user down
[11:13] <ryanakca> or fvwm/afterstep/ratpoison/aewm/alltheotherwm
[11:13] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:13] <_StefanS_> remember its just  a step in a process of running something with root priv.
[11:13] <yuriy> the gksu gradual fade is pretty fast
[11:13] <_StefanS_> yes I know, have it here on vmware
[11:13] <yuriy> just that i can see the rectangles being painted
[11:13] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: I'd make it last 1.5s-2s, no more
[11:13] <yuriy> 2s is too long imo
[11:13] <_StefanS_> <2 definitely
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[11:14] <ryanakca> Well, how long does it take for you to get your mouse from KMenu to the center of the screen? Make it twice that...
[11:14] <ryanakca> Or.. stick the dialog there, but make the background keep fading
[11:15] <_StefanS_> yes, I thought about that also
[11:15] <ryanakca> That way they don't have to wait, but they have fading in the back
[11:15] <_StefanS_> yes, will do that
[11:16] <_StefanS_> gawd i hate this ati hell
[11:17] <ryanakca> lol
[11:17] <ryanakca> well, I wish I could use beryl with nvidia
[11:17] <ryanakca> but... no... screen lock permanently locks my screen...
[11:17] <ryanakca> as well as the screen saver... and.... apps have black squares instead of their interfaces
[11:18] <_StefanS_> what gfx card you have ?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> well I better to bed... my daughter usually wakes up at 6.00 - 6.30
[11:19] <_StefanS_> go to
[11:19] <ryanakca> see yah _StefanS_
[11:20] <_StefanS_> yep night
[11:20] <ryanakca> safe to make uninstall?
[11:20] <_StefanS_> yes
[11:20] <_StefanS_> see you ..
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