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dsassabdfl: filed as 9324212:20
UbugtuNew bug: #93242 in launchpad ""most active in" should contain links to the things i've been active in " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9324212:26
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joejaxxis there anyway to remove team members on launchpad?02:37
joejaxxor does deactivation count as that02:37
Kmosdesactivate it :)02:44
LaserJockjoejaxx: deactivation counts02:45
joejaxxoh ok :)02:46
joejaxxi did not know whether it did or not since there was a deactivation section02:46
joejaxxKmos: LaserJock thanks :)02:47
LaserJockjoejaxx: I think it mostly just makes it easier to see past member and reactivate people02:49
LaserJockI think02:49
joejaxxyeah02:49
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LaserJocksabdfl: is it possible for MOTUs to see/test PPA some time?02:57
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mptGooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!03:00
joejaxxmpt: :)03:12
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jmlmpt: glad you agree with me :)03:19
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mptjml, we have a similar problem on Bugs SERPS :-/03:25
jmlmpt: SERPS?03:37
jameshLaserJock: not for a while -- we haven't rolled it out for anyone yet03:37
LaserJockjamesh: is there any public info on it?03:38
LaserJockby chance03:38
jameshLaserJock: not really03:39
mptjml, search results pages03:39
jmlmpt: ahh :)03:39
jameshthe initial testing will lilkely be post-feisty anyway03:39
LaserJockah03:39
LaserJockok03:39
mpthttp://www.google.com/search?q=define:serp03:39
jameshLaserJock: something about fiddling with the distro build daemon code just before a release gets people nervous for some reason03:40
LaserJockjamesh: I figured maybe there might be a seperate instance 03:41
LaserJockbut yeah03:41
LaserJockmake sense for sure03:41
jameshLaserJock: you could probably get better answers out of cprov -- I'm just repeating the info I got from him03:42
LaserJockk03:42
LaserJockdo you know if it's planned that teams can use it as well as individual people?03:42
jameshLaserJock: yes.  That's the mechanism that will be used to let multiple people upload to a single PPA03:50
LaserJockand will the PPA repos be apt-gettable?03:50
jameshyep03:50
LaserJockalright, thanks for the info03:51
jamesh(they wouldn't be too useful if you couldn't ...)03:51
LaserJockthat's a good start03:51
LaserJock:-)03:51
jameshLaserJock: it is essentially the same code that gets used to build Ubuntu03:51
LaserJockah03:51
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jameshso Ubuntu in essence becomes a special case of PPAs03:52
jamesh(it will be built using separate build daemons, and be published where it always has been)03:52
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jameshand, Ubuntu won't have a backing distro archive for builds like PPA's do03:53
LaserJockwill the packages be able to build off of other PPAs?03:54
jameshprobably not (at least initially)03:54
jameshjust the base distro release and other stuff in the same PPA03:55
LaserJockok great03:55
FujitsuThis sounds rather nice :)03:58
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UbugtuNew bug: #93285 in malone "Discourage "me too" comments" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9328505:05
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UbugtuNew bug: #93290 in blueprint "Need colored icons for blueprints of different priority" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9329005:50
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joejaxxis there a way to: stop users from adding an additional distribution to a bug but be able to have a certain team of the originating distribution to add an additional distribution05:56
joejaxx?05:56
joejaxxthe reason i ask is that i do not wish for bugs to be added for ubuntu that may not pertain to ubuntu itself05:57
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joejaxxthat would decrease the influx of bugs because users are getting into the habit of adding ubuntu as an additional distribution when the bug does not apply05:59
joejaxxbut i do not know if that is possible06:01
joejaxxon launchpad that is06:01
joejaxxi do not want the aforementioned to cause problems :)06:01
crimsunI don't know of a way to do that presently; you can simply continue to reject the Ubuntu task06:03
joejaxxcrimsun: oh ok06:03
joejaxxbecause i know this is going to become a problem in the future06:04
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mptjoejaxx, can you give some examples of where that's happened. It seems like an odd thing for people to do.06:08
Hobbseempt: the soyuz bug06:08
mptExcept where a bug was mistakenly reported on the upstream project first (or on a Launchpad project, as in bug 88818), so people assume that the reporter must have meant Ubuntu06:09
UbugtuMalone bug 88818 in malone "Many people report non-Launchpad bugs on Launchpad products" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8881806:09
mptHobbsee, I'm pretty sure Soyuz has more than one bug :-) Which one are you referring to?06:10
Hobbseempt: hehe, true that.  the one that was holding edgy kernel's back, or claiming to.06:10
Hobbseempt: -proposed repo, iirc.06:10
Hobbseenot sure what the bug # was06:10
mptjoejaxx, if you have several examples of where this has happened, please collect them in a bug report on the "malone" project06:21
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UbugtuNew bug: #93293 in soyuz "Details in source package portlet don't change without new upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9329306:46
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sabdflHobbsee: hi07:24
Hobbseeheya.07:25
Hobbseesabdfl: grrr, looks like my info's at least partially out of date, but it looks like beryl's going into debian, so we should be able to sync from there.'07:26
Hobbseethat was all.  07:27
sabdflHobbsee: we should have it in ubuntu first07:29
Hobbseesabdfl: true, but the packages have to be good enough.  it seems to be being discussed in -motu at the moment.07:29
Hobbseeand someone has to be motivated to put in the work to do it, of course07:30
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sabdflHobbsee: the packages are good enough to start with07:39
sabdfli'm disappointed that we didn't work to be the forum where they matured07:40
sabdflbut now they are there we certainly should be open to them07:40
Hobbseetrue....07:40
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UbugtuNew bug: #93298 in launchpad "HTTP->HTTPS redirection forgets subhost-of.beta.launchpad.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9329808:01
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Hobbseeoh no.  anyone feeling like being diplomatic in rejecting a bug?12:17
Hobbseemaybe not such a git as i thought from the subject.  https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/9334412:18
Gwaihirjust to know: the deadline for the ddtp-ubuntu-* packages, is April the 5th?  12:18
UbugtuMalone bug 93344 in Ubuntu "launchpad unsuitable for reporting bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  12:18
fabbioneHobbsee: looks like a good bug to me12:19
fabbionewhy would you reject it?12:19
Hobbseefabbione: true, ish.  still, last i knew, email still required a working internet connection to send.12:20
Hobbseeditto checking for already-reported-bugs12:20
fabbioneHobbsee: right, but they can be queued in a local spool like most MTA do when they can't deliver12:20
Hobbseetrue...12:20
Hobbseethat doesnt get around checking the already-reported bugs issue though.12:21
fabbionereportbug still warns you that it can't check for stuff and still allows you to submit12:21
Hobbseeahh12:21
Hobbseedupemania.12:21
fabbionewell yes...12:21
fabbionebut most people don't check for that anyway12:21
Hobbseegood point12:21
fabbioneso it doesn't really make a huge diff12:21
Hobbseefair enough12:21
Hobbseei'll go back and hide in my corner12:22
fabbioneplus you will figure with time that one bug more is better than none "'cuz someboyd reported already for sure"12:22
Hobbseetrue12:22
Gwaihirjust to know: the deadline for the ddtp-ubuntu-* packages, is April the 5th?  12:23
fabbionei should really start blogging again..12:23
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Hobbseefabbione: that you should.12:23
fabbioneHobbsee: sometimes i am afraid i won't be exactly CoC compliant :)12:25
Hobbseefabbione: heh.  in the spirit of the COC, or in the letter?12:26
fabbionein my rants :)12:26
Hobbseeyou couldnt rant :)12:26
fabbionegrrr12:34
fabbioneplanet.u.c has lost my hackergocu again12:34
fabbionegoci even12:34
Hobbseehehe12:35
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fabbioneoh i see why12:36
fabbionethey did put in place a hell of a thing with bzr12:36
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AlinuxOSdanilos, hello12:45
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Hobbseefabbione: *grin*01:02
Hobbseefabbione: another step forward in world domination!01:02
Hobbseehey Spads 01:02
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piedoggieugh.  can't figure out how to create a launchpad hosted bzr repository.  everything points to off launchpad hosting01:58
dsaspiedoggie: what are you trying to create a bzr repo of?01:58
piedoggiemy own code01:58
dsaspiedoggie: have you registered a new product?01:59
dsaspiedoggie: I *think* you have to run through https://beta.launchpad.net/products/+new first01:59
piedoggietried but the process assumes off site hosting01:59
dsasuhm https://launchpad.net/products/+new even.02:00
LarstiQeh?02:00
LarstiQthis sounds vaguely familiar, but it certainly isn't true02:01
LarstiQpiedoggie: what piece of documentation gives you the idea that it assumes off site hosting?02:01
piedoggielarstiq.  we talked about this a few days ago 02:01
LarstiQright02:01
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piedoggieti says : "Register an upstream open source product"02:02
piedoggieat the top of the page02:02
LarstiQare you confused by 'upstream'?02:03
LarstiQpiedoggie: so, for actually hosting: 'bzr push sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~team/product/branch' will accomplish that given an existing team and product02:03
piedoggieconfused no.  mislead, kinda02:03
LarstiQpiedoggie: I guess that could be better worded for people not used to thinking that way02:03
LarstiQpiedoggie: upstream here means the original authors, not the packaging of it in a distro like ubuntu02:04
piedoggieah02:04
LarstiQpiedoggie: so registering an upstream product is what you want to do :)02:04
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LarstiQpiedoggie: https://launchpad.net/bzr is also an upstream product, but largely lives in launchpad02:05
piedoggieyea, need to change the language02:05
LarstiQpiedoggie: I don't recall, did you file a bug about this documentation issue?02:06
piedoggienot yet.02:06
LarstiQk02:06
piedoggieam tracking the disconnects as I register02:06
LarstiQcool02:06
piedoggiek got the product registered.  now what02:15
dsaspiedoggie: 'bzr push sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~accountname/productname/branchname02:21
piedoggieok another doco dropout.  one more for the list02:23
piedoggieI don't need to do anythong like register a branch?02:23
piedoggiealso, I currently have my project in a multo-branch repository locally, do I need to do anything magic to push up?02:26
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UbugtuNew bug: #93383 in malone "Mail from duplicate bugs sent to other people who initially reported the bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9338302:35
dsaspiedoggie: doing the bzr push thing will create the branch.02:36
dsasI assume you have to push up each branch individually if you want to do many.02:36
piedoggiebranchname == trunk?02:37
LarstiQpiedoggie: if you wish, sure02:38
LarstiQdsas: yes02:38
LarstiQnote that ~accountname should be the user/team you want to be able to access that branch02:39
LarstiQsftp://larstiq@bazaar.launchpad.net/~larstiq/bzr/hpss only I can write/read from sftp, sftp://larstiq@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/hpps the entire bzr team can02:40
piedoggieok doco drop out: the prokect page says the  "trunck"  series represents the primary line of development rather than a stable release branch. This is sometimes also called MAIN or HEAD.02:40
piedoggieit implies te branch name is trunk02:41
LarstiQwhat url is that?02:41
piedoggielarstiq:  what is there is no team but one evolves02:42
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LarstiQpiedoggie: then push it when it exists02:42
LarstiQpiedoggie: and just use your user in the meantime02:42
piedoggie'bzr push sftp://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~team/product/branch'   -<- trying to fill in the blanks for the docs02:43
piedoggieso ~team becomes ~esj for now and ~pjt-team later after forming a team?02:44
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LarstiQpiedoggie: assuming you're esj :)02:48
piedoggiethere's also a shortage of documentation of how to convert a privately hosted repository/branch to one hosted at launch pad02:48
LarstiQjust push?02:49
piedoggiepiedoggie is my real name, esj is an alias I use on the net.  :-)02:49
piedoggiemy question also points to a documentation dropout for the bzr project.02:50
piedoggieAt the core, it's a question of how twisted can you get with the repository chains of branches02:50
piedoggiefor example, people accustomed to the CVS style of source code control are comfortable with the Star model (a.k.a. hub and spoke)02:51
piedoggieI imagine the next stage for them would be doing small two or three person clusters of development again also replicating hub and spoke with a single person being the one responsible for merges02:51
piedoggiebut after a while, how far does it go?  what are the normal/natural patterns of working?02:52
piedoggieBut that's not for this conversation02:52
piedoggieright now, it's just push upstream from any branch and either count on launch pad being authoritative or a private ranch is authoritative and a launchpad to the public access point02:53
dsaspiedoggie: You're perfectly free to use the cvs model with bzr02:53
piedoggiedsas: I understand that I have.  But I'm trying to move to a more flexible model and level of operation02:53
piedoggies/that/and02:53
piedoggieI want to come back to one question which is the issue of "trunk" 02:54
piedoggiehttps://launchpad.net/akasha  is my project02:55
dsaspiedoggie: what I've found works well if everyone having their own LP hosted branch of a product, and having a branch owned by the team. everyone hacks on their own branch, gets code reviewed, and then committed to the team one.02:55
piedoggieinteresting.  Does that make it easier for people to collaborate?02:55
piedoggieWhat happens if a person works on multiple branches?02:56
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dsasa person can only work on the team owned one, or their personal ones. they're welcome to have as many personal ones as they please.02:56
dsasfor example I might have ~dsas/bughelper/0.1 and ~dsas/bughelper/dev and also be able to commit to ~bugsquad/bughelper/main02:57
dsashowever we hold off commiting to the team one until someone else has checked out our personal branch and they review the code, and if it's ok merge it with the team one and push it.02:58
piedoggieand you create the branches by registering the branches under your account name.  Is that correct?02:59
dsasyes.03:00
piedoggie do you need to register branches under the project?03:00
dsaspiedoggie: no, it automagically does that.03:00
piedoggie from the push?03:01
dsasyes03:01
radix~username/productname/branchname03:01
dsassee https://code.launchpad.net/bughelper/ for example.03:01
dsasit automatically lists any ~person/bughelper/branchname branches03:01
piedoggieokay.03:02
piedoggieI can see them going to have to make some mistakes before I understand this03:02
dsasyou can then access e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~yourname/bughelper/bughelper.dev and add some meta data (e.g. stable branch, obsolete branch)03:02
piedoggieI can see I am going to...03:02
dsaspiedoggie: that's ok. what I've described is just one workflow, I'm sure other teams use different ones.03:03
dsaspiedoggie: Feel free to come in here and ask at any time.03:03
piedoggieI know this is more of a bzr question but I am really confused about creating different branches (CVS speak).  As far as I can tell it bizarre is just creating a branch and then operating on that branch.  So if I have a release, I branch that release and name it appropriately (ie akasha 0.5), it becomes its own stand-alone branch and then mainline continues new development.  Is that even...03:05
piedoggie...vaguely close to right?03:05
dsasyes, 03:06
piedoggieokay.  And then you have more branches for point releases?  03:06
piedoggieOr do you start using tags or something like that for point releases03:06
dsasI think bzr only just got support for tags. I don't know about them yet.03:06
piedoggieokay.  At what point do all these branches start making the system break?  Both the human factor side and code side?03:07
dsaspiedoggie: make the system break? 03:07
piedoggieIn that the time it takes to traverse and reconstruct a branch at a given point in time becomes unacceptable or the reconstruction is impossible03:08
piedoggieit's probably far enough out I don't need to worry  about it.  With any luck I'll be dead by then.03:09
piedoggieAnyway, it's 10 a.m. and I'm getting calls for making breakfast.  Let me try a few things out and see how it breaks and I'll be back.03:10
dsasif you want to checkout a past branch on your local machine just do bzr checkout sftp://bazzar.launchpad.net/~user/product/name at any point in time03:10
dsaspiedoggie: ok, good luck. I'm going for lunch :)03:10
LarstiQpiedoggie: most of our branches are not releases, but feature/bug branches03:25
LarstiQpiedoggie: ie, for each feature or bug we're working on, we have a seperate branch03:25
LarstiQpiedoggie: any workflow is possible03:28
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UbugtuNew bug: #93344 in malone "launchpad unsuitable for reporting bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9334404:26
UbugtuNew bug: #93410 in launchpad "Karma is goin down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9341004:31
pochunot a bug ^ :)04:38
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baylehi guys05:56
baylei have a problem with launchpad, i cannot subscribe the ubuntu code of conduct because launc. gives me this error: (7, 9, 'No public key') but i'm sure i have the public key, it is also load on some servers05:58
bayledoes anyone can help me?05:58
baylei'm: https://launchpad.net/~diego-bayle05:59
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pochubayle: have you signed it with the same key you have in LP?06:16
pochubayle: you can take a look at this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct06:17
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radixwhine whine the javascript for sorting columns in milestone view is still broken06:42
radix(in beta and regular-LP, and has been for like a year, whine whine)06:47
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Ruidoso_SilencioToday I received almost 16 mails from launchpad regarding to locoteams... that's pretty odd07:02
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=== Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad users and developers | Next user meeting: Wed 21 March 2007, 1700UTC | Next developer meeting: Thu 22 Mar 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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thumpermorning people10:21
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UbugtuNew bug: #93516 in malone "beta.launchpad URL sent out to non-beta testers." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9351610:40
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mptGoooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!11:30
thumpermorning mpt11:30
ajmitchmorning mpt, thumper 11:32
thumpermorning ajmitch11:32
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UbugtuNew bug: #93541 in malone "Not possible to 'Reject' bug whilst duplicated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9354112:16

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