=== aorith [n=manu@217.Red-88-21-86.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === huang [n=huang@202.114.78.54] has joined #xubuntu === huang [n=huang@202.114.78.54] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:43] does anybody know a good program to hotsync a palm device in xubuntu that lets you edit and watch the data on a pc? [12:45] what sort of data pzler ? [12:45] calender, memo's adresbook etc [12:46] i allready tried a few but none of them seem to work === pdr1252 [n=pdr@d2-116.rt-bras.pell.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === pdr1252 [n=pdr@d2-116.rt-bras.pell.centurytel.net] has left #xubuntu [] === pzler [n=wouter@cp106655-a.roose1.nb.home.nl] has joined #xubuntu [12:55] my palm is currently the only reason i still use a windows partition. i would like to free up the space === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #xubuntu === pzler [n=wouter@cp106655-a.roose1.nb.home.nl] has left #xubuntu [] [01:13] maxamillion: how much do you know about Samba? === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.148.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu === kupo [i=kupo@pdpc/supporter/student/Kupo] has left #xubuntu [] === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-111-219.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === erigby [n=erigby@cpe-065-190-197-056.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === OGDA is now known as BFTD === bigfuzzyjesus [n=bigfuzzy@unaffiliated/bigfuzzyjesus] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-155-24.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === Taxman [n=Taxman@Wikipedia/Taxman] has joined #xubuntu [02:15] hmm, borked my xubuntu install and I'm trying to boot from a usb cd-rom since the installed one is broken. Do dell's have a key to press to get it to boot from USB? [02:16] Taxman: yeah ... i think f12 is the boot menu and usb cd-rom should be an option [02:17] I saw that somewhere but F12 doesn't seem to do anything. Inspiron 2500 is what I have [02:17] yeah ... the model number doesn't tell me much, i know very little about dells === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-201.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [02:18] hey I have a problem [02:18] problem kyaa hai? [02:18] I just tried to install eclipse and now graphical mode seems to be broken [02:18] I'm fairly new to Linux in general [02:19] what do you mean by "Graphical mode is broken" [02:19] chris13: yeah ... eclipse is a bugger [02:19] like I can no longer see any graphics [02:19] Taxman: i assume his X server won't start [02:19] let me see what error message it gave me [02:20] "The X server is now disabled. Restart GDM when it is configured correctly." [02:21] you got it max [02:21] chris13: not sure why installing eclipse would do that, but oh well [02:21] well I did do some other things too [02:21] I used the package manager [02:22] there were some things that had updates available [02:22] maybe doing too many things at once was a bad idea [02:22] chris13: log into the command line just like you would graphically and run the command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and go through the tool to set the configuration the way you want/need it and then try running gdm [02:23] what is the command to run GDM? [02:23] I already did the first part [02:23] is it just gdm? [02:24] yup [02:24] alright [02:24] let me try it [02:24] brb [02:24] or you might need to do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" [02:24] well ... nvm [02:26] heh [02:27] am I wasting my time trying to make a boot floppy or might that have a chance of seeing the USB CD-rom? [02:27] Taxman: its possible, can't promise much though [02:28] my other option is the machine does come up to grub [02:28] I just don't grok the grub command line :) [02:28] yeah ... me and grub aren't the best of friends, i would still run lilo if grub didn't come with everything and works often enough to not justify the effort of replacing it === R[a] ndom [n=random@bas9-toronto01-1242392991.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu [02:31] actually perhaps I should try to fix the real problem. I can get the kernel to start booting, but then it fails to mount the / filesystem after making it through some of the hardware checks [02:31] Taxman: oh ... huh, interesting [02:33] yeah I thought so. It sees it enough to start booting then loses it [02:34] booting from an older kernel I can even get the splash screen and then it hangs on Waiting for the root file system... [02:36] waiting long enough I get dropped to /bin/sh [02:37] ohhh yeah, i've had that happen to me with an external cd-rom drive [02:38] the bios can see it so it boots, but the kernel can't see it so it can't mount the drive === rex_binary [n=rexbinar@pool-71-240-172-35.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:40] no, I'm actully booting off the installed hard drive to get to this sheel [02:40] I can't get the USB to go at all so far [02:40] ohhhh ok [02:40] yeah, i dunno [02:40] but yeah, I've heard of what you're talking about too === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-199.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [02:41] ok I'm back === rex_binary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu [02:41] I looked through the log file some [02:42] "Open ACPI failed" [02:42] ah [02:42] no such file or directory [02:42] yeah, just pass the -noacpi boot parameter, life should be good [02:42] No APM support in BIOS or kernel [02:42] Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module === sc0tt [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:43] also fonts_dir not found === erigby [n=erigby@cpe-065-190-197-056.nc.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu ["Ah,] [02:43] it is telling me to run mkfontdir [02:44] whoa ... i have no clue [02:44] I think I need to reinstall my nvidia drivers [02:44] any idea of how I would do that? [02:44] also how do I pass a boot param? [02:46] also I'm on 64 bit xubuntu is it makes any difference [02:46] chris13: oh, just the nvidia drivers ... just do "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx" and once thats done re-run the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select "nvidia" when it asks [02:47] chris13: no, 64bit shouldn't matter for this issue .... though it can in some other cases === j1mc [n=jimbabwe@adsl-75-22-225-51.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] I already did the selecting nvidia thing in the xorg config [02:48] that didn't fix the problem === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] but how do I actually do the -noacpi thing? [02:49] I typed in that exact command and I picked all the correct options [02:49] reconfiguring xserver doesn't seem like it is going to fix it [02:49] I think I need to reinstall the nvidia kernel module [02:49] but I don't know how === threat2_ is now known as threat2 [02:51] !noacpi [02:51] Sorry, I don't know anything about noacpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:51] !acpi [02:51] acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64) [02:51] bah!!!! [02:51] @lart ubotu [02:52] ? [02:53] the bot isn't doing what i want it to [02:53] oh [02:53] right there are bots [02:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingIRQProblems [02:54] i think thats the link i was looking for [02:54] !bootoptions [02:54] For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions [02:54] I don't suppose there is a way to browse the internet in what I refer to as text mode [02:55] from the command line? [02:55] chris13: w3m, links2, elinks, lynx [02:55] chris13: yeah, there are a few ways ... my favorite is links2 [02:55] !links2 [02:55] Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary) - HTTP servers: apache2 [02:56] ubotu: you fail at life [02:56] chris13: sudo aptitude install links2 [02:56] so I guess I need to do apt-get links2 or something? [02:57] chris13: then "links2" in the command line, and 'g' to open a dialog to "go" somewhere (enter a url) [02:57] ok [02:59] is there anyway to reinstall the nvidia kernel module? [03:00] also what is the command to reboot or shutdown? [03:02] Hi, I need help with my sound card, Xubuntu isnt detecting it [03:03] !sound | MikeC2 [03:03] MikeC2: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [03:03] might get you started [03:03] chris13: i told you how to reinstall it 20 minutes ago [03:04] well that doesn't work [03:04] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't fix it === icicled [n=icicled@adsl-209-30-164-212.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:04] and I did pick nvidia [03:05] chris13: no [03:05] chris13: the other command "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx" [03:05] oh [03:05] sorry I must of missed that [03:05] look back like 50 lines in the chat log and check the time stamp ... 20 minutes [03:06] I beleive you [03:06] *believe [03:06] ;) [03:06] I'm haven't gotten much sleep lately [03:06] :) [03:06] no worries [03:06] brb === bigfuzzyjesus [n=bigfuzzy@unaffiliated/bigfuzzyjesus] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@F736a.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #xubuntu === Taxman [n=Taxman@Wikipedia/Taxman] has left #xubuntu [] === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-199.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [03:23] "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the nvidia-glx package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." [03:23] "E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?" === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-199.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [03:38] ok I'm back [03:39] max> you still around? [03:39] yup === nraic [n=nraic@60.241.51.228] has joined #xubuntu [03:39] chris13: the reason you got that error is because you didn't run the command with "sudo" infront of it [03:39] "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a useable configuration." [03:40] actually I did put sudo in front of it [03:40] How is the right click mouse shortcuts editied [03:40] At least I'm almost certain I did [03:41] I suppose I could try it once more [03:41] I don't think xubuntu likes my monitor [03:41] chris13: no the 20:23 < chris13> "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the nvidia-glx package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." [03:41] 20:23 < chris13> "E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?" [03:41] chris13: that error is generally because the command need sudo privs [03:42] alright [03:42] I'll try it once more [03:42] brb [03:42] k === Prisoner_ [n=redstick@ip24-254-33-54.br.br.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:43] hi [03:43] hello [03:43] know of a good way to send faxes from Linux? [03:43] nope, never tried [03:45] just thought I'd ask [03:45] Hi, I added the Azureas bit torrent client from the package manager, The program doesnt load when run [03:45] What can i do? [03:45] did you uninstall and reinstall it? [03:45] nraic: you running 64-bit? [03:46] yes [03:46] I haven't tried a reinstall [03:46] nraic: yeah, the package is broke ... there is already a bug report about it [03:46] Can I install packages with out the pack manager, like going to the site? [03:47] nraic: of course [03:47] ktorrent is not downloading right, [03:47] try bittornado [03:47] sorry noob question, but im noob [03:47] no worries [03:48] Im very impressed with ubuntu, its the bomb === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-199.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [03:48] still not working [03:48] I made sure I did sudo this time [03:49] didn't get those errors [03:49] but it still gives me the no screens with a usable config error === adcurtin [n=Andy@adsl-75-46-179-160.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:50] glorious [03:50] I am having some trouble with a usb key: it has two partitions, a cdfs one (read only) and a normal one. I don't care about the size, the cdfs partition is only 2MB, but it is read only and has autosvr (which is flagged as a virus) and autoruns that (I don't know why it's there, that is how it came, it was a freebie from Cisco). I would like to wipe out the whole key and just have it be one partition. how would I do this? [03:52] I downloaded the 64bit Azureas client, and extracted into tmp, who do i added the package? [03:53] I couldn't get Azureus working [03:54] nraic: you've just been told by maxamillion that it isn't working on 64 bit [03:54] I'm not max [03:54] grazie, I thought it was only from the package manager [03:54] but deluge or something like that works well [03:55] chris13: I didn't say you were :) [03:55] ok [03:55] nraic: I'd also recommended deluge as a good client [03:55] trying to figure out how to get a faxmodem working, not having much luck [03:55] I wish I could fix my screen problem [03:56] !modem | Prisoner_ [03:56] Prisoner_: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto [03:56] !deluge-torrent | nraic [03:56] nraic: deluge-torrent: A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0-2~edgy1 (edgy-backports), package size 1466 kB, installed size 3888 kB [03:57] How can I repartition a usb stick from the terminal? [03:57] "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." [03:58] adcurtin: use cfdisk or fdisk [03:58] chris13: does the desktop cd (live cd) work? [03:58] adcurtin, some of those hidden partitions on usb disks can be difficult to remove. what grazie said should do the trick, though. === ron_o [n=ron@12-210-177-164.client.mchsi.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:59] haven't tried the CDs I made [03:59] !fdisk | adcurtin [03:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:59] before I had a real hard time installing xubuntu [03:59] I couldn't get graphics working [03:59] and now it seems like the same problem [03:59] chris13, what kind of monitor and video card do you have? [03:59] last time one of the devs remotely logged onto my machine and fixed it [04:00] but he wouldn't tell me exactly what he did [04:00] chris13, woah . . . nice dev. === NkuMike [n=Mike@nr3-66-42-230-157.fuse.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:00] chris13: what's changed since then? [04:00] I have an nVidia 7800GT [04:00] made by evga [04:00] hey I just did a fresh install and now all i get is a grub loading please wait, error 18 [04:00] the monitor is some kind of 17 inch CRT [04:00] not sure exactly what it is [04:01] chris13, does it have any sticker or anything on the back or sides that give it's specs? [04:01] it is a gateway monitor I used from an old machine [04:01] chris13, can you look up the model number anywhere? [04:02] I can tell you the model number [04:02] give me 1 sec [04:02] NkuMike, tell me about your setup. is it just one hard drive? [04:02] model num: ev700aa [04:02] yeah its a 400 gb ide hd [04:02] chris13, i take it that you're typing this from a different computer right now? [04:02] manufactured may 2002 [04:03] nope [04:03] only have 1 computer [04:03] NkuMike, do you have just one OS installed on that hard drive? === adcurtin [n=Andy@adsl-75-46-179-160.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] [04:03] yes [04:03] using irssi [04:03] oh, ok. [04:04] chris13, let me see if i can look up your monitor's specs. [04:04] ok [04:04] thanks [04:04] I know the horizontal and vertical rates [04:05] HF: 30-69KHz [04:05] VF: 50-120Hz [04:05] trying to get a modem working too, not much luck there either [04:05] it's a lucent winmodem [04:05] heh .. . chris13 i just went to look those up. :) [04:05] chris13, have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? [04:06] when you get to select a video driver, select "nv" [04:06] oh nv instead of nvidia? [04:06] both are options [04:07] yes [04:07] ok [04:07] nv is the free version. [04:07] let me try that [04:07] hold on . l. . [04:07] hold on... :) [04:07] when you get towards the end, it will ask you if you want to do easy/simple (?), medium, or advanced configuration of your monitor. [04:07] I did advanced last time [04:08] choose advanced, and plug in those horizontal and vertical refresh specs === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:08] I did that [04:08] would picking nvidia mess it up? [04:08] or is it just that they are proprietary? [04:08] you can try nvidia once you get the regular nv driver working. [04:09] ok [04:09] there are tutorials that will walk you through it. [04:09] I'll try it with nv then [04:09] if i am installing some software , and it ask for a path where to install, what is the good place to install it [04:09] I need to quit to try it [04:09] so I'll brb [04:09] ok, chris13 good luck. [04:09] hhhmmm vrkhans good question. i should know this. :) [04:10] j1mc: i mean like in xp we have program files to install [04:10] everything [04:10] in linux [04:10] Does any thing extra have to be done to enable port forwarding in linux, Mine are not work. [04:11] right . . . i understand, vrkhans [04:11] does there any specific place to install like that [04:11] thansk [04:11] hold on . . . brb === Darkkish [i=idont@c-67-171-16-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:12] Any reason why port forwarding may not work under linux, nothings changed in the router and my ip is the same [04:13] nraic, sorry, i can't help you with that one. [04:13] :( [04:13] np [04:13] (20:03:06)_(mattyv) Darkkish: Try booting with noapic nolapic at boot prompt. F6, go along to the end of the line and add those, then press enter [04:13] oops [04:13] sorry, wrong thing [04:13] XD [04:13] j1mc: what about me :-) [04:13] http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43 <-- thats what i meant to paste [04:14] vrkhans: you should install in a subdirectory of something in the PATH environment variable, /usr/local/bin is a good option to keep it out of the way of the package manager. [04:14] strangest article ever. [04:14] vrkhans, i'm looking ... hold on. :) === j1mc is still checking for vrkhans :) [04:16] vrkhans, this is third-party, non-package manager-installed software, right? [04:16] what are you trying to install? [04:17] it would go in /usr/local [04:17] realpalyer [04:17] see the lsb filesystem hierarchy at http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/execenvfhs.html === chris13 [n=chris@crmp-176.res.umass.edu] has joined #xubuntu [04:18] vrkhans, real player should be available in the repos. [04:18] ok it did something interesting [04:18] you just need to enable the right repos. [04:18] no it is no [04:18] not [04:18] it gave me the logon screen [04:18] chris13, what happened? [04:18] i check synap [04:18] and I logged in [04:18] ok [04:18] vrkhans, check this link instead http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html [04:19] and then it showed the wallpaper with a lot of line artifacts all over it and no panels and no icons and nothing but the mouse cursor [04:19] vrkhans: make sure that the multiverse repo is selected, then you'll find it [04:19] also ctrl+alt+f1 wouldn't work [04:19] it's there in Multiverse [04:19] I had to push the power button on my computer to reboot [04:19] chris13, do you have xfwm and xfce4-panel installed? [04:19] well I'm getting to that [04:20] try installing xubuntu-desktop [04:20] I just tried to install xubuntu-desktop [04:20] hmmm... [04:20] and it found some errors [04:20] errors with acpid-support [04:20] and acpi-support [04:20] errors you say? hmm [04:21] I need to set it for noapic [04:21] and nolapic [04:21] but I'm not sure how [04:21] kernel options like noacpi shouldn't affect package installation, what were the errors? === j1mc steps away to try google. [04:21] chris13: i really think you are going to have to re-install ... you said earlier you did some updates and i think there is a conflict that doesn't seem to be resolving itself .... either re-install or do "sudo aptitude update" and then "sudo aptitude -f upgrade" [04:22] and see if that works [04:22] well max I tried that too [04:22] this is starting to seem like a bigger issue than just your xorg.conf or the nvidia-glx package [04:22] chris13: did you try it with the -f flag? [04:22] but I had errors like this the first time I installed too [04:22] so a fresh install won't fix it [04:22] ohhhh [04:22] otherwise I would [04:23] yeah, then its an incompatibility with your hardware, and i think the boot: -noacpi would fix it [04:23] and I need to put the cd in to do that or something? [04:24] yeah, the livecd [04:24] alright [04:25] brb ... need food [04:25] I have the regular cd and the alternate [04:25] which one should I use? [04:25] I used the alternate to get it partially installed the first time [04:25] chris13, i prefer the alternate cd if i know i'm going to do a straight install [04:25] alright [04:26] so boot from the cd or just try to run it now? [04:26] but i've installed xubuntu a bunch of times. i would advise going that way if you're comfortable w/o the fancy graphics. [04:26] well I'm not planning on reinstalling [04:26] just setting a boot option [04:26] hmmm... i was just doing some checking on the noapic and nolapic thing (or whatever) that you just mentioend. [04:26] oh? [04:26] i don't know how ot set boot options myself. that's what i was checking. [04:27] well let me know if you find anything potentially useful [04:27] chris13: you don't need the cd to set boot options you do that by editing the command in grub, either in the menu.lst or at the prompt when you first book. [04:27] *boot [04:28] ormiret, you've got it. :) you just add the parameters to the end of the kernel line in your grub menu list. [04:28] so I need to edit grub? [04:28] how do I do that? [04:28] is there an option at that list where I pick my OS [04:29] first, make a copy of your current grub menu list . . . [04:29] do that by entering . . . [04:29] !bootoptions | chris13 [04:29] sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup [04:29] chris13: For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions [04:30] I mean I can look up these urls with links2 but it isn't exactly convienient [04:31] ormiret, he's not entering this from a GUI. :) [04:31] chris13, did you enter the command above, to back up grub? [04:31] I will [04:31] I have to quit this each time I want to try commands [04:32] ok, np [04:32] only ctrl+alt+f1 works [04:32] oh wait a minute [04:32] the others seem to be working now [04:32] before f2-f6 would show monitor out of scan range errors [04:33] after you back it up, enter sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst [04:33] is nano better than pico? [04:33] look for a line that starts with boot: /boot/vmlinuz... and add "noapic nolapic" to the end [04:33] I'm probably not skilled enough for vi [04:33] only enter it without the quotes [04:34] nano is pretty easy to use. [04:34] Ctrl-O will save your file. [04:34] Ctrl-X will exit nano [04:34] ok [04:36] ok I have backed up the file [04:36] going to try editing it now [04:37] ok === wheels3572 [n=wheels@mdm2-66-243-204-8.pivot.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:39] how do I tell what version of Xubuntu im running [04:39] lsb_release -r [04:39] 6.06{,.1} == dapper; 6.10 == edgy; 7.04 == feisty [04:39] ok believe it or not those 2 things were already there in the file [04:39] ty [04:40] really dumb question and I know it's very minimal but [04:40] when I open up firefox [04:40] it says xubuntu 6.06 [04:40] why dont it say 6.10 [04:40] im runnign 6.10 [04:41] is your dist-upgrade complete? [04:41] chris13: try running the update again and tell us the errors are. === vrkhans [n=hkhan@cpe-65-185-119-90.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [04:41] wheels3572: its because we didn't have the man power to update the documentation ... that's our fault [04:41] crimsun: the 6.10 install iso still have 6.06 docbook on it :( [04:41] right. [04:42] alright [04:42] hold on [04:42] maxamillion, ok np :). Are you part of the xubuntu team? [04:42] wheels3572: i like to think of myself as a contributing community member [04:43] maxamillion, works for me :) [04:43] wheels3572: i don't do anything impressive like core development, but i help where and when i can === maxamillion does devel ... just not for xubuntu ;) [04:43] maxamillion, you do a great job :) [04:43] maxamillion, ok lol gotcha [04:43] when I run the upgrade command is there a switch to make it only do 1 page of output at a time? [04:44] otherwise I can only see the last errors [04:44] maxamillion, have you heard of the issue where when you save a file to desktop it doesn't show on desktop in xubuntu? [04:44] chris13: pipe the output to less with "| less" on the end of the command [04:44] wheels3572: not personally ... it works on all of my machines [04:44] wheels3572: actually ... let me double check [04:44] ok [04:45]