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deiwaleshi guys,12:17
deiwalesjust wondering if the new kicker kde menu will be in feisty final12:17
deiwalesanyone?12:20
lotusleafyou could ask in #ubuntu+1 if people are sleepy here12:20
lotusleafor #kubuntu perhaps12:21
deiwalesok thanks12:21
deiwalesi tried #kubuntu12:21
deiwalesthey said try here12:21
deiwalesi guess half the world is sleeping :d12:21
Tm_Twell, this is not "support" channel really ;)12:21
deiwalesnot looking for support as such, just curious as to whether feisty is planned to have the new kicker start panel in kde12:22
Tm_Tdeiwales: head into #ubuntu+1 and I might try to say what I know ;)12:23
lotusleafdeiwales, very true, watch the movie "They Live" and you'll discover how right you are. :)12:23
deiwaleslol12:24
deiwalesanyway12:24
deiwalesi need to sleep now12:24
deiwalesno doubt i will pass by tomorrow to ask again in #ubuntu+112:24
deiwalesthanks fow now12:24
deiwalesfor*12:24
deiwalesbye12:25
gnomefreakanyone happen to know where the building -dbgsym (wiki or LP) went to?12:38
Riddellgnomefreak: how do you mean?  packages should be in pitti's directory12:55
Riddellmhb: catalogue bug?12:56
Riddellryanakca: kolab pong?12:56
gnomefreakRiddell: he wrote up instruction on how to build them01:01
RiddellI've not seen that01:04
Riddellwhy would you want to?  just build the sources normally and don't strip01:05
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vprintsHey!03:02
vprintsIs there a possibility to use http and ftp protocols parallelly for one apt server, if one won't work then try the other?03:03
vprintsi mean automatically03:04
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manchickenhttp://blog.notsosoft.net/ <-- A little post about my new doggy :)05:02
Hobbseemanchicken: is it syndicated to planet yet?05:03
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Hobbseehehe, cute05:03
Hobbseehi Knightlust05:03
manchickenIt's not free-software related.05:03
manchickenI think only my free software feed gets syndicated on the planet.05:03
Hobbseeahh05:04
Knightlusthi Hobbsee05:04
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claydohmanchicken: very cute pup05:20
=== claydoh 's wife works at our local Humane society, all 3 of our poochies are fro shelters
manchickenThanks :)05:21
manchickenCool.05:21
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manchickenI like that the Humane Society is requiring pitbull owners to take their dogs to training courses.05:22
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manchickenThat way when folks start talkin' smack and spreading lies about my pup I can show them how not only is my dog safe, but it's better behaved than theirs :)05:23
claydohya, here it is on a dog-by dog basis,05:23
Hobbseeheh05:23
=== Hobbsee isnt so much into dogs
claydoh:D05:23
manchickenMy dad actually told me that if I didn't want to die, that I shouldn't buy a pitbull.05:23
manchickenheh05:23
Hobbseealthough, my friend's dog goes insane every time it sees me, which is amusing05:23
manchickenHe said the dog would kill me.05:23
Hobbseekeeps running around in circles, until it falls over, as it's so excited.  *g*05:24
manchickenToday, when that "killer" dog came up to him and started licking his face, he totally fell in love with it.05:24
claydohwell my 8lb jack russel is more dangerous than most pits05:24
manchickenAll dogs are dangerous if they're not well raised and cared for.05:24
claydohthat  type is hwere pits got some of their 'bad' traits05:25
manchickenIt's where they got the bad press more than anything else.05:25
claydohno, my jack *will* bite a stager if a hand goes to the wrong place05:25
manchickenJerks buy tough-looking dogs because they've gotta compensate for something, and then they abuse the dog into fighting.05:26
claydohstanger=stranger05:26
manchickenIf the dog feels threatened of course it will attack :)05:26
manchickenIf it really is being threatened, it has every bloody right to attack.05:26
manchickenI'm not convinced that dogs are capable of separating real danger from perceived danger very well.05:27
claydohno, he failed his evaluation05:27
manchickenAh.05:27
claydohhe was to be put down, were seeing if he will improve05:27
manchickenSo you all actually rescued that dog from Humane Society policy then?05:27
claydohyes05:28
manchickenGood on you.05:28
manchickenMost of the time it seems like it's the fault of the owner, not just a personality on the dog.05:28
manchickenI watch enough animal planet to know how bad some of these dogs are cared for.05:28
manchickenI think they hold the really bad cases back though.05:29
claydohmostly the owner yes, but like people there are sometimes , welll05:29
manchickenAt the shelter?05:29
manchickenOur shelter here is loaded with the right people for the job.05:29
manchickenExtreme animal rights folks.05:29
claydohwell dogs that simply are too dangerous to place, for whatever cause :(05:30
manchickenYeah.05:30
claydohhere the do euthanise, but only for the worst, and never cuz the shelter is full05:30
manchickenYeah, same here.05:30
manchickenThey've got foster folks here who can take animals when it gets too crowded.05:31
claydohhere, some of the so-called 'no-kill' shelters transfe their bad ones here, kinda two-faced05:31
=== claydoh has fostered a few, helps a lot
manchickenThey actually have some no-kill shelters in Chicago.05:33
manchickenI think one of them is even sponsored by PETA.05:33
manchickenWe had to take a cat there.  She wasn't healthy enough for the move to Shampoo-Banana, so we took her in.  Some staffer called me up 2 days later telling me that she'd adopted the cat for herself.05:34
claydohI am leery of peta, they are sort of against pets, er, companion animals05:34
manchickenThe animals-are-people-too folks and I don't get along too well, but I really appreciate their position when it comes to animal shelters.05:35
claydohbut that may just be local05:35
manchickenWell they're against the idea that pets are property.05:35
manchickenI'm not sure how I feel on that.05:35
claydohi can understand thart05:36
manchickenI think legally the pet should be property, but socially and practically they should be family members.05:36
claydohits more  a responsbility, but not quite ownership05:36
manchickenYup.05:36
claydohbingo we agree 100%05:36
manchickenWe're referred to as my dog's people.05:37
manchickenheh05:37
manchickennot her owner05:37
claydohand the cat, well he's the real boss anyway05:37
manchickenShe's our dog and we're her people.05:37
manchickenYeah, I think my cat is going to get a wake-up call once the dog comes home :)05:37
claydohyup05:37
claydohheh05:37
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manchickenThis cat wouldn't leave the older cat alone when he came into the house.05:37
manchickenThis dog is going to return that favor.05:38
manchickenThey introduced her to a cat at the Humane Society, and the dog wanted to play.05:38
manchickenThe cat... not so much.05:38
claydohthey will figure it out somehow :)05:39
manchickenI'm trying to find a dog collar with penguins on it.05:39
manchickenBut not these ugly blue ones I keep seeing on ebay.05:39
claydohbut mine is bigger than 2 of my dogs anyway05:39
manchickenNice.05:39
manchickenThis dog is only 6 months old, and she's twice what the cat weighs.05:40
manchickenHilarious.05:40
claydohhuge guy, tho he is a bit fat, but loosing weight05:40
manchickenOkay, I'm gonna hit the hay.  It's been a long day and I'm ready for this sinus headache to be done with.05:42
manchickenLater.05:42
Jucato#kubuntu-dogs... :)05:46
claydoh"P05:50
claydohargh05:50
Jucato:D05:50
Jucatofunny pair of eyes you got there claydoh :)05:50
=== claydoh sick little riley and his big terrier teeth after Jucato's heels
Jucatomy lets loose a cat to distract riley05:51
Jucatoer...05:51
=== Jucato lets loose a cat to distract riley
claydohriley is not distracte, sends in loveable weimaraner who likes to slap new friends in the face....05:52
Jucatohehe05:53
claydohits her signature05:53
Jucatooh :)05:54
claydohshe rears up and tries to smack people i the face05:54
claydohbizzare but cool05:54
Jucatolol05:54
Jucatoare you sure she's trying to smack people in the face? or trying to eat the face? :D05:54
claydohsmack05:55
claydohnot a mean bone in her05:55
Jucato:)05:55
=== Jucato looks at og maciel's green Ubuntu and sees the first green color scheme that he likes...
claydohwhere.......05:57
Jucatoplanet ubuntu05:57
Jucatohttp://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=33605:57
Jucatoit looks serene.. not like SUSE's green... which is a bit bright05:57
claydohgot it05:58
claydohya a real quality green kde would be nice05:58
claydohthat is a nice gnome theme05:58
Jucatoyeah it is05:58
claydohdang05:59
=== claydoh needs to go to bed :(
Jucatohehe go! :)05:59
Jucatosweet dreams05:59
claydohbut im on vacation! i should be able to do wha I want05:59
claydohbut I am falling asleep :(06:00
Jucatobioclock06:00
claydohyeah06:00
claydoh1 am is about when I get sleepy06:00
=== claydoh sleeps now....
Jucatog'night claydoh!06:02
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_StefanS_mornings08:54
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Tm_Taww10:22
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Tonio_hey :)10:32
Tonio_crimsun: I just built the kernel with the patch suggested by M Garret, that's way better10:33
_StefanS_Tonio_!10:35
_StefanS_show me the money !10:35
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Tonio__StefanS_: hehe :)10:37
Tonio_Lure: ping ?10:37
Tonio_crimsun: talking about bug 8725310:37
UbugtuMalone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8725310:37
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Tonio_crimsun: sound works out of the box without unmuting any channel in alsamixer and speaker and headphone level are independantly configurable10:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm working on the kdesu dialog, finally I have some time to do it :)10:41
Tonio__StefanS_: very nice ;)10:42
Tonio__StefanS_: what is the plan ? perform what ubuntu does ?10:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep basically10:42
Tonio__StefanS_: will you keep the command line visible in the box ?10:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: dont know if we should do the fade though, but maybe that's the best thing10:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes, I will just leave it as kdesu is today10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: I'd like to have it hidden and showing via a "details" button10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: yes keep the fade ;)10:43
glatzor_Riddell: Hi, do you know the IRC nick of Simon Edwards, the guy behind guidance?10:43
Tonio_glatzor: _Sime10:43
_StefanS_Tonio_: well I suggested to Riddell that it would be much nicer to have the "Adept Manage Packages" show instead of the actual command10:43
_StefanS_Tonio_: I mean, you can always trace what lies beneath by using the K-menu10:44
glatzor_Tonio_: Thanks.10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: yes but how to do it for any kind of launched command ?10:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: well in pratical I dont know exactly..10:44
LureTonio_: hi10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: there is no way I guess10:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: but we could always have it fall back if we cant lookup the name10:44
Tonio_Lure: hey :)10:44
_StefanS_hey Lure10:45
Tonio_Lure: ready for zagreb ?10:45
LureTonio_: yep, when are you arriving?10:45
Lurehi _StefanS_10:45
Tonio_Lure: friday afternoon10:45
Tonio_Lure: did yo have time to review the keycodes for macbook screen backlight ?10:45
Tonio_Lure: I'd love to get that in ;)10:46
LureTonio_: me too - I am taking my daughters to grandparents in Zagreb and will stay for weekend10:46
Tonio_Lure: ho so you will not be at the conference ?10:46
LureTonio_: backlight: I think something is missing below kmilo10:46
LureTonio_: I will be there on Sat, no worry10:46
LureTonio_: we might meet already on Fri evening if you do not have other plans10:47
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Tonio_Lure: hum...... backlight control works with guidance-power-manager, so I really wonder what's missing....10:47
Tonio_Lure: the only thing is to bind the keys no ?10:47
LureTonio_: do you get kmilo notification (similar to volume)?10:48
Tonio_Lure: no10:48
LureTonio_: will look into this tonight10:48
Tonio_Lure: I just put the keycode, but indeed it doesn't work for now10:49
LureTonio_: maybe it is just mapping missing (no symbol), but need to check that everything is in kmilo10:49
LureTonio_: my HP has brightness control in HW, so no way to control from SW10:49
Tonio_Lure: HW ?10:50
LureTonio_: it is done in HW (BIOS, or whatever), so no way that OS/SW can control it10:50
Tonio_Lure: ah okay10:50
Tonio_Lure: well, in my case, should be okay as long as it already works in guidance no ?10:51
LureTonio_: I think so10:51
Tonio_just a matter of binding the key I think10:51
LureTonio_: I think kmilo generic may be missing some code, but we can add this10:51
Tonio_okay10:51
Tonio_Lure: how is done the binding generally ?10:51
LureTonio_: /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap10:52
LureTonio_: we just need to find suitable XF86xxx name for it10:52
Tonio_Lure: lemme look10:52
Tonio_Lure: note that other machines seem to use the same keycode (your page)10:55
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LureTonio_: yep, that is done by kernel/hotkey-setup - they ensure if keycodes exists, that they are consistent10:55
Tonio_Lure: shouldn't that be done there ?10:56
LureTonio_: so we are safe to add keycode -> xkeysym mapping and then catch xkeysym in kmilo properly10:56
Lurewhere?10:56
Tonio_I mean how to do it if several machines have different keycodes for that ?10:56
Tonio_Lure: with your trick that'll only work for one keycode right ?10:57
LureTonio_: we need to fix the keycodes in kernel/hotkey-setup for them10:58
Tonio_Lure: ah okay10:58
Tonio_Lure: I think i can do it eventually, as long as I know which keycodes to use10:58
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LureTonio_: you can check kmilo code if there are xkeysyms there10:59
Tonio_Lure: why not loog at hotkey-setup package ? ;)10:59
Lurehotkey-setup only does keycodes, has no clue about X and xkeysyms10:59
Tonio_Lure: yes but if I put the correct keycode for my machine should be okay no ?11:01
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Tonio_I'm a bi lost in the mess dealing with laptops seems to be on that point :)11:01
LureTonio_: not sure, as I need to review kmilo implementation11:01
LureTonio_: no problem, we will get it fixed ;-)11:01
Tonio_Lure: okay I'll let you deal with this...... sounds messy :)11:02
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LureTonio_: you may want to open a bug, so that we have easier way to include the fix ;-)11:03
Tonio_Lure: will do but on which package ?11:04
Tonio_kmilo, hotkey-setup ?11:04
Lurekmilo/kdeutils11:04
Tonio_great, doing this now11:04
LureTonio_: and assign it to me11:04
Tonio_Lure: sure11:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: anything interesting happening in Zagreb ?11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: can't remember why you were there ;)11:06
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_StefanS_Jucato:  !11:07
Tonio__StefanS_: ubuntu conference11:07
Jucato:D11:08
_StefanS_Tonio_: hey where's the kubuntu in that ?11:08
_StefanS_Koooboontoo11:08
Tonio_http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/konferencija/index.en.php11:08
Lure_StefanS_: Tonio_ is kubuntu in there ;-)11:09
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll do a speach introducing ubuntu and detailing kubuntu11:09
_StefanS_oh nice11:10
Luresuse uses very hardcode/HW view of suspend/hibernate: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-03-18/moreinfo/643210/#visual11:17
_StefanS_wow thats some ugly icons..11:18
_StefanS_wierd transparency also for that pause icon11:18
gamemankwhat's the pause icon supposed to mean11:19
Luregamemank: you pause your computer?11:19
_StefanS_gamemank: dual skidmarks11:19
gamemankoic11:19
gamemankdidn't connect how those icons had to do with suspend11:19
gamemank*yawn*11:19
_StefanS_somebody double crapped on the icons..11:19
Lure_StefanS_: I do not like "Susepend to RAM" and "Suspend to disk" terminology either11:20
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_StefanS_Press play on tape11:20
_StefanS_thats something we like11:20
gamemankJucato: o_O11:20
Lure_StefanS_: it is too technical and imho just done that way to be different than windows/macosx11:20
Jucato:D11:20
Jucatois that a RAM chip?11:21
gamemankJucato: considering i'm currently staying up all night doing hw and will be doing so every night for the next 2 weeks, i think disappearing would be a generally good idea11:21
Jucatogamemank: aw... that's not good :(11:21
Jucatothe staying up all night :(11:21
Tonio_Lure: the reason I'd like the brightness working on macbook is that I'd like to impress the people at the conference with the very nice macbook pro support :)11:22
_StefanS_Lure: it doesn't work well in linux at all, so I dont even see the point of not mimic'ing stuff that works11:22
_StefanS_Lure: like from windows or mac11:22
gamemankhmm.. now who knows PL/pgSQL11:22
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Tonio_Lure: we'll kick their a$s ;)11:22
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_StefanS_Tonio_: whats the date for feisty ?11:30
_StefanS_Tonio_: release date that is11:31
Tonio__StefanS_:april, probably about 20-2511:31
_StefanS_oka thanks11:31
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Tonio__StefanS_: theory is 19th11:32
_StefanS_oka11:32
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zbenjamin_StefanS_, r u here?11:34
_StefanS_yep11:34
zbenjamini get a bit frustrated with suse when i tried to download updates. 10 minutes for suse to sync all my update sources EVERY time i tried to download a update. Even if yast synced a few seconds ago11:35
_StefanS_zbenjamin: suse is just bad for your health .. IMHO11:35
zbenjaminand i decided to throw it FAR away and use kubuntu for now on11:35
_StefanS_zbenjamin: wanted to try it several times, but they dont exactly go by keep it simple approach11:36
_StefanS_zbenjamin: throwing it away every time11:36
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zbenjamin_StefanS_, i had to use kubuntu for development on work and it just works. A few days later i tried to update my suse-system. I was sitting in front of my monitor waiting and after 20 minutes i gave up. Since i installed suse10.2 i get more segfaults than before. F.E kicker crashes very often. Or the system hangs on shutdown. It's time to use something better ;-)11:38
_StefanS_zbenjamin: yea, suse should really pay more attention to make the stuff simple, rather that pack it with stuff that is shiny11:38
_StefanS_zbenjamin: or just drop suse altogether and just work on knetworkmanager instead ;)11:39
_StefanS_zbenjamin: which is good.11:39
_StefanS_imho anyways :)11:40
Riddell_StefanS_: you had some success with kdesu?11:42
zbenjamin_StefanS_, ack, they should pay more attention to stability and usability11:45
_StefanS_Riddell: indeed11:46
_StefanS_zbenjamin: but this is good for *ubuntu11:46
_StefanS_Riddell: just testing a WType_popup for the kdesu dialog now11:46
_StefanS_Riddell: seems like it works for keeping it above others also11:46
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Enola_Gayhi all11:56
Enola_Gaykde-guidance doesn't recognize some changes like second screen or other administrator mode options. Buttons are still greyed out after changing them and on exit it doesn't ask to confirm the made changes.12:08
Riddellreminds me, _Sime is 0.8 going to get released?12:09
Enola_GayBut the resolution recognization works fine.12:14
Enola_GayAre there any plans for installing updates automatically with adept or at least make it an one click option?12:15
Enola_GayIs it possible that the package hpijs-ppds is not installed in kubuntu by default but in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/8493612:17
UbugtuMalone bug 84936 in kubuntu-meta "hpijs-ppds package does not automatically install in Kubuntu feisty herd 3 install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 12:17
zbenjamin_StefanS_, yes its good for *ubuntu. I'm glad that kubuntu is there i really don't want to loose my kde desktop ;-)12:23
Enola_GayOk, thanks, cu.12:23
_StefanS_zbenjamin: I agree, I was on fedora before - but kde is really bad there12:24
zbenjamin_StefanS_, i tried fedora core some time ago. I don't like it. Well gentoo is a option for me too but i don't want to compile 2 days before using my desktop-system. Maybe i will use it for a Server12:25
_StefanS_zbenjamin: dont bother with gentoo.. its about dead anywyas12:26
Tonio_Riddell: just got your mail concerning the uds, very nice, thanks :)12:26
_StefanS_zbenjamin: the performance is barely noticable anyway12:28
_StefanS_zbenjamin: used to run gentoo for while before going to fedora12:28
_StefanS_zbenjamin: eh before fedora12:28
zbenjamin_StefanS_, it's dead? no more development?12:30
_StefanS_zbenjamin: well alot of developers have left due to bad vibes..12:31
_StefanS_zbenjamin: and the state of linux distros have changed alot the last 2 years, making gentoo a less interesting choice12:31
zbenjamini remember something about the gentoo creator joined in microsoft. or iam wrong?12:32
_StefanS_zbenjamin: donno actually, he briefly joined a while ago again, but left within a few days12:32
_StefanS_zbenjamin: just move on .. :)12:32
zbenjamin_StefanS_, anyway kubuntu is my new distro ;-) seems i move on ;-)12:33
_StefanS_zbenjamin: glad to hear that12:34
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vprintsis there a way for adept or apt-get to automagically try http protocol on server if ftp fails for some reason and vice versa?01:23
vprintsand good morning :)01:23
Hobbseenope01:24
Hobbseenice idea though01:24
Hobbsee(wishlist bug on apt would be the way to go)01:24
vprintswe are haveing a problem with our local server01:25
vprintsand this brought up the idea01:25
vprintsbeacause somehow http has got really unstable but ftp is always up01:26
vprintsbut if system would try ftp automatically everything would still work01:27
vprintsshould i make it against adept or apt-get?01:27
sebasapt-get01:27
Jucatoapt01:28
vprintsk01:28
Hobbseeapt, which does apt-get01:29
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danimoheya!01:31
vprintsi am sorry, i am new, wishlist is also through a bug interface?01:32
sebasYes, it a 'bug' for a missing feature01:32
gamemankhmm might be a stupid question/idea, but what if you just put both http:// and ftp:// in your sources.list?01:32
sebasLike, "I'd like this to be implemented"01:32
crimsunTonio: still too many revisions01:33
sebasgamemank: I think this only works if the package list doesn't show the package then, it's not a fallback for a system that's down01:33
vprintsgamemank, but i am proposing it to be a feature01:33
vprintshttps://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/9369201:41
UbugtuMalone bug 93692 in apt "Feature that apt would automatically try ftp: instead http: and vice versa if one fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 01:41
=== Hobbsee wishlists
=== Jucato wonders if apt does ftp at all in the first place...
Hobbseeyep, it does01:42
Jucatoah ok. I thought it only used http...01:42
Jucato(read something like that in k-users ML)01:42
Hobbseek-users may or may not be accurate01:43
Hobbseebut is usually more accurate than forums01:43
Jucatomostly because they lack some knowledgeable people...01:43
=== Jucato remembers a blog post he should write...
Hobbseetrue01:43
Hobbseethey often tend to be few and far between01:44
Jucato(mostly because Hobbsee's not there)01:44
Hobbseeheh01:45
Hobbseeyou're knowledgable enough, Jucato01:45
JucatoI'm allergic to ML's :D01:45
Hobbseehehe01:45
Hobbseeyes, so get back to the bugtracker :P01:45
Jucatoheh actually I do answer some... but I realize that most questions asked there are quite more advanced than what I know01:46
Hobbseethose always exist01:46
Hobbseeunless you're Riddell or another deity, of course.01:46
Jucatohm.. some other deity perhaps01:47
_StefanS_or entity01:50
Hobbseeheh01:50
=== _StefanS_ wonders why kdesu dialog refuses to be a popup .. .
_StefanS_and so we build kde ... again.01:50
Jucatobecause popups don't usually accept text input?01:51
_StefanS_Jucato: well its not like the konsole popup, or the like .. you should be able to put anything on a WType_Popup actually..01:52
_StefanS_Jucato: but good point nevertheless01:52
Jucatoprobably just because I haven't seen a popup in KDE that asks me for some text input yet...01:52
apokryphoskdialog --inputbox is very useful :P01:52
apokryphosperfect for scaring other members of the family with questions when you ssh in01:53
_StefanS_hehe I bet..01:53
sebasapokryphos: Interesting usage of the word "useful" :-)01:53
sebasI agree with you though :-)01:53
Jucatohehehe01:53
sebas"AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH, the computer can see me!???????"01:54
Jucatoaaaah virus!!!01:54
apokryphos"Answer this questions or your computer will lock up. In the 1700s, who was it that said...?"01:54
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Jucatowb gamemank02:12
Hobbseeapokryphos: heh.  that's neat02:12
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gamemankwatching 3d animations in class :)02:25
Hobbseefdoving: how far did you get with kdar?02:26
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Hobbseeheya manchicken_02:28
Jucatogamemank: kool :)02:28
gamemankdon't think mine's going up -- damn ffmpeg02:29
manchicken_mornin'02:29
Hobbseemanchicken_: i'm presuming you got claire's email02:29
manchicken_not yet02:31
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manchicken_Something bad?02:34
Hobbseeno02:35
=== Jucato wishes there was a very quick way to make some notes anywhere on the desktop and have them immediately sent to basket... :(
=== Hobbsee needs to file a UVFe for basket...and get it into debian...
Jucato1.0?02:39
Jucatoer.02:39
Hobbsee1.0.102:39
Jucatooooh02:39
Jucatothey're really fast...02:39
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=== Hobbsee persuaded him to fix it faster
danimoheya!02:40
=== danimo is on feisty now
danimoand it feels really fast for some reason02:40
Jucato:D02:40
Hobbsee:)02:40
Hobbseeprobably is02:40
danimoHobbsee: not sure if that is because I didn't install any true type fonts yet02:40
Jucatotrue... each new release seems to be faster than the previous02:40
danimothey tend to slow down the system tremendously02:40
manchicken_Hobbsee: Got Claire's email.02:41
manchicken_Gotta figure out who to room with.02:41
manchicken_heh02:41
manchicken_Who else is going?02:42
danimobtw: what's the point in selecting ones language in the installer if the language pack isn't even scheduled for download?!02:42
Riddelldanimo: how did you install/upgrade?02:42
Hobbseemanchicken_: now that's what i was thinking02:42
danimoRiddell: from herd 502:42
danimoRiddell: then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade02:43
Riddelldanimo: the language pack should be installed, but only if there's an internet connection02:43
danimoRiddell: ah, at the time of installation, there was no internet02:43
danimoRiddell: but why isn't it scheduled then?02:43
Riddelldanimo: I don't know of any way in apt to do that02:47
danimoeek02:47
Riddelldanimo has turned into a mouse02:48
Jucato:D02:49
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=== Hobbsee hunts the mouse
manchicken_danimo: That's no excuse ;)02:50
manchicken_heh02:50
=== danimo just noted that getting propery highlighting in vim seens to depend on gnome now :(
danimomanchicken_: yeah, you seem to know about it ;)02:50
Hobbseevim-common does, yeah02:50
manchicken_heh02:50
danimoHobbsee: sucks02:50
Hobbseeindeed02:50
Hobbseeproper vi is great.02:50
danimoHobbsee: who did this?02:51
Hobbseedanimo: people trying to remove space02:51
danimowell, I have vim, but it's missing all the syntax highlighting02:51
danimoHobbsee: well, why not vim-x11 then?02:51
=== Hobbsee doesnt remember.
=== Hobbsee just always installs vim-full
danimoit's not that debian or ubuntu ever had problems with MORE packages :)02:51
Hobbseethe syntax highligting requires a conf file02:51
danimoHobbsee: I am still hesitating to do so02:51
danimootoh, I guess as soon as I install GIMP, it will install gconf and friends anyway02:52
Hobbseeand you've got it for ooo, anyway, iirc.02:52
danimoHobbsee: nope, otherwise apt wouldn't be whining02:52
danimoHobbsee: only ooo-gnome depends on it02:53
danimoI really hope we'll see a dbus-based storage system before OOo will need to depend on gconf02:53
Hobbseeahh02:53
danimohmm, google earth seems to have a new feature :)02:54
danimofog of war :)02:54
danimoI can't zoom in without everything greying out02:54
imbrandonfog of war, thats soooo warcraft2 ;)02:59
imbrandonhehe02:59
imbrandonheya danimo03:00
danimohi imbrandon!03:01
mhbRiddell: I did send you the number03:06
mhbRiddell: bug 4718103:06
UbugtuMalone bug 47181 in adept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4718103:06
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danimono w32codecs in multiverse?03:12
Hobbseeno03:12
danimowhere else?03:12
Hobbseeseveas repos, usually03:12
Hobbsee!w32codecs03:13
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs03:13
danimook03:13
Jucatohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs03:13
Jucatowe no longer have to say "enable multiverse, install libxine-extracodecs" in feisty anymore right?03:14
RiddellJucato: correct, just install libxine1-ffmpeg instead03:15
Jucatoah kool. that makes things easier now :)03:16
Jucatobut if that's in main already, why not have it installed by default as well?03:16
danimoJucato: amarok even installs it itself03:16
danimoJucato: (if encountered with mp3 files)03:16
Jucatoah yeah the script03:16
danimothat's something really ugly about _any_ linux distro03:17
RiddellJucato: MP3 is a patented algorithm03:17
danimoeverytime you upgrade, you have to figure out the Multimedia Codec Installation Method of the Day (tm)03:17
danimoRiddell: Linux Magazin is broadcasting the Talks from CeBIT via Ogg, really cool03:18
Jucatodanimo: heh... at least libxine-extracodecs existed for 2 releases :D03:18
danimoRiddell: they even force windows users to install the ogg codec for WMA :)03:18
Riddelldanimo: didn't realise that03:18
Riddellthey also do it in realplayer03:18
JucatoRiddell: hm.. ok... I'm no lawyer... I just thought that stuff in main are not license/patent encumbered...03:19
danimoRiddell: they launch realplayer03:19
danimoRiddell: but the codec is ogg, really03:19
danimoJucato: no, just universe and multiverse is enabled by default now :)03:19
Jucatodanimo: libxine1-fffmpeg is in main though (afaik)03:20
danimomaybe03:20
Jucato!info libxine1-ffmpeg feisty03:20
ubotulibxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB03:21
danimohmm, dvb firmware isn't shipped either :(03:21
mhbsome of it, yes03:22
danimoyay, suspend to ram works now :)03:22
danimoyakumo quickstick here03:22
mhbdanimo: incidentally I do own the same one :o)03:23
mhbdanimo: I even wrote a bug about it, but nobody has ever commented on it03:24
danimomhb: I deleted the firmware03:24
danimodo you now where I can get it again?03:24
mhbdanimo: you mean the firmware file you need for the driver to work?03:24
danimoah, found it03:25
danimoyes03:25
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dinosaur-rushi03:31
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dinosaur-rusI'm getting a bit tired of kernel updates... :P03:41
rbrunhuberShould all bugs be rejected if their status is "needs info" and the last comment is older than 3 months? Even if they are assigned?03:42
dinosaur-rusrbrunhuber: I guess they should03:42
rbrunhuberSo nobody is hitting me if i start a run this night, doing so?03:43
=== sebas wouldn't.
Jucatoneither would I03:44
JucatoI would probably ask for info again03:44
rbrunhuberJucato : What do you mean?03:44
JucatoI guess it also depends on the bug03:44
sebasOr close with "Please reopen if you can confirm this bug still exists and provide the information asked"03:45
sebasBugs in needinfo state really don't help us developers if they're abandoned by the reportere.03:45
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rbrunhubersebas, Jucato: I'll take the standard text for this.03:45
Riddellrbrunhuber: make sure you give a polite notice saying why it has been closed and that they should re-open it if they have more info03:45
Jucatothat works too ^^ :)03:45
bddebianHeya03:46
bddebianHi Jucato ;-)03:46
Jucatohi bddebian! :D03:46
rbrunhuberHas anyone got the link to the ubuntu-devel mailing list archives at hand?03:47
rbrunhubersorry forget it I got it myself.03:48
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hungerCan I get the kontact headers from some package?04:25
hungerI need to build a kontact plugin.04:25
Riddellkdepim-dev?04:25
hungerHmmm... good idea that. Thanks Riddel.04:25
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Jucatothere is no plain libqt4-dev package?04:28
RiddellJucato: sure there is04:29
JucatoI can only find libqt4-dev-kdecopy... installing that messes up qt4 apps...04:29
hungerJucato: There is one. I am using it.04:30
Jucatoum... on feisty? what's the package name?04:30
hungerJucato: libqt4-dev04:31
hungerYou will need qt4-dev-tools as well I think.04:31
Jucatohm... why isn't it showing in apt-cache :(04:31
hungerI just copied the name out of aptitude.04:32
Jucatohm... I'll try again (and again...)04:32
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danimoRiddell: can you make kbluetoothd depend on bluez-pin?04:49
Riddelldanimo: does that hel pthings?04:49
Riddellbluez-pin is a gnome application04:50
danimonow that you say it: it doesn't atm04:50
danimobut kbluetoothd/hcid fail to show a pin helper04:50
Riddellit's all broken, I don't have the hardware to fix it so any help appreciated04:51
rbrunhuberRiddell, danimo: Bluetooth is a hot topic these days :-). I'm getting on poor Riddells nerves with this too. :-)04:52
rbrunhuberdanimo: There is a bug 89291 about it.04:53
UbugtuMalone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8929104:53
rbrunhuberRiddell: But if there are no resources on this why is the at least "working for me" debian package for bluez-utils and kdebluetooth synced?04:56
dinosaur-rusJucato: libqt4-dev is shown by apt-cache here...04:57
Jucatodinosaur-rus: yeah... weird that I can't see it here... :(04:57
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dinosaur-rusis it possible to create "lite" version of KDE development package without that huge amount of dependencies?04:58
Jucatoyou basically only need kdelibs4-dev, not the whole kde-devel04:59
Riddellrbrunhuber: we tend to sync everything at the start of the cycle04:59
rbrunhuberRiddell : But how about make an exception from this rule and have working bt though. I could be clearly stated that this is the exception which manifests the rule.05:01
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rbrunhubermanifests=proves. Just looked up the idiom.05:03
Riddellrbrunhuber: what are you suggesting we do?05:03
rbrunhuberRiddell: If you want to get involved in this I'll send you an bt-usb dongle if you like.05:04
Riddellrbrunhuber: I don't have any bluetooth devices to talk to it05:05
Riddellkwwii: the text on the kubuntu usplash is still black on black during the CD self-check05:06
kwwiiRiddell: OK; I'll look into it and/or talk to Seveas about it05:07
rbrunhuberRiddell : I'll try to get in touch with the ubuntu bluetooth group and see what they say about it. If gnome has not problems with an older bluez version we should really consider to resync the packages. If nobody can get this fixed.05:08
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Tonio_Lure: ping ?05:32
LureTonio_: pong05:32
Tonio_Lure: I found pommed that is supposed to work with all fn keys05:32
Tonio_Lure: but it just ignores all fn keys here05:33
Tonio_Lure: which other process can conflict with it ?05:33
Tonio_Lure: I assume kmilo uses hal or something right ?05:33
Tonio_Lure: when I stop kmilo kde service, I also noticed my mouse gets frozen for one sec when I press an fn key.....weird05:34
LureTonio_: I just quickly checked kmilo, and generic does not have any code yet for brightness05:35
Tonio_Lure: everything in pommed works except all fn keys05:35
Tonio_Lure: hu ? it works on some laptops afaik no ?05:35
LureTonio_: what pommed does, besides fn keys?05:35
Tonio_thinkpads if my remembering is correct05:35
LureTonio_: it works on some, but it may be acpi-support or HW doing it...05:36
Tonio_Lure: manage the eject key, brighness control, keyboard backlight control05:36
LureTonio_: problem is my laptop does it in HW, so no way for me to test05:36
Tonio_for example the auto keyboard backlight works, but not the manual thiing with the fn keys05:36
LureTonio_: eject key works also with kmilo, right?05:36
Tonio_pommed is debian native software, so it should work on ubuntu05:36
Tonio_Lure: nope05:36
LureTonio_: strange, as eject code is there in kubuntu patch05:37
Tonio_fails without the software installed although xev reports X86eject05:37
Tonio_the point is that there is something running on the top of pommed that catches the fn events05:37
Tonio_i'd like to guess what......05:38
LureTonio_: you can check kmilo patches - I think it should call "eject" command - does "eject" command work on macbook?05:38
Tonio_Lure: yes, that's what pommed uses too05:38
LureRiddell: any progress on k3b UVFe?05:38
Tonio_Lure: no idea what might conflict with this ?05:38
LureTonio_: then I do not see what is the problem...05:39
Tonio_there is some ubuntu specifics to map f12 to right click, but I don't know what exactly.....05:39
Tonio_the same things conflicts with pommed I guess05:39
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Tonio_Lure: looks like the patch didn't apply or something.... I'll have a look concerning eject05:51
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Tm_Thmh, interesting that I can't find a way to configure generating of kernel lines to grub menu.list05:58
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firephotoTm_T: # defoptions=quiet splash   <-- that line06:01
RiddellLure: no reply yet06:01
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Tonio_Lure: kool, I just built latest pommed from source and everything works ;)06:04
Tonio_that doesn't explain why the eject cd fails with kmilo, but as long as this can be done, no matter :)06:04
Tonio_I need to request a debian sync for pommed btw06:04
Tonio_everything's perfect now :)06:04
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RiddellTonio_: I fixed bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/93686 for you :)06:08
UbugtuMalone bug 93686 in kdebase "Konqueror French in Status Bar" [Undecided,Fix committed] 06:08
Tonio_Riddell: hehe :)06:14
Tonio_Lure: looking at kmilo code and pommed, it looks possible to patch kmilo to do the same06:15
Tonio_Lure: there is specific code in kmilo for brightness for example, we eventually could do the same for macbooks/powerbooks06:15
ScottKRiddell: Does your fix affect Bug #87938?06:15
UbugtuMalone bug 87938 in kdeutils "Ark, feisty, Compress menu in French" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8793806:15
Tonio_I'm looking at kde bts eventually06:15
mhbRiddell: what about the bug I told you about?06:17
Tonio_ScottK: probably yes06:17
Tonio_ScottK: the "konqueror statusbar" info is from ark too06:18
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ScottKTonio_: Thanks.  I'll check it out after I get the new build and then dupe it to 93686 if it's fixed.06:18
Tm_Tfirephoto: oh my eyes, thanks sir06:19
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Tonio_ScottK: sure :)06:20
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RiddellScottK: yes, that'll be the same06:51
ScottKOK.  Thanks.06:51
ScottKI'll take care of that bug once the new package is out.06:52
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wsjuniorGuys, I know it isnt a support channel but I couldn't get help elsewhere. It's a simple question about Konqueror. The Searchbar used to be cleaned up after some research but it isn't working in Kubuntu Feisty, I thought it would be just some preference setting but I couldn't find it here, maybe I'm just kinda blind. Is it possible to change something to get this behaviour back or it is hardcoded?10:07
apokryphoswsjunior: sorry, but like you said, this isn't a support channel.10:10
wsjuniorapokryphos: :)10:10
mhbwsjunior: have you tried a mailing list, a forum or the #kubuntu+1 channel?10:14
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wsjuniormhb: Yes, and #kubuntu+1 just have 1 single person :-p10:15
mhbwsjunior: usually there's a higher chance people answer on the forums or on the mailing list. Furthermore the people will be less rude than apokryphos :o) (no offence :o)10:15
wsjuniormhb: That's ok. :) Thank you anyway. :-p10:16
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kwwiiRiddell: didn't we have a kubuntu OOo splash in the past?11:14
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Riddellkwwii: nope11:24
Riddellryanakca: I've never used uupdate11:24
kwwiiRiddell: well, if anyone wants to make it possible, I have a blue version of the OOo Splash and About image11:25
Riddellmhb: by the way I'm not ignoring you about the adept bug, it's on my todo to look at, sorry for the lack of reply11:26
ryanakcaRiddell: kk, Thanks anyways11:27
mhbRiddell: no problem11:28
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mhbRiddell: one more comment to the adept bug - in upstream adept there are 175 msgids, in rosetta only 168 even though the lines to be translated are in the code11:45
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