[12:17] <deiwales> hi guys,
[12:17] <deiwales> just wondering if the new kicker kde menu will be in feisty final
[12:20] <deiwales> anyone?
[12:20] <lotusleaf> you could ask in #ubuntu+1 if people are sleepy here
[12:21] <lotusleaf> or #kubuntu perhaps
[12:21] <deiwales> ok thanks
[12:21] <deiwales> i tried #kubuntu
[12:21] <deiwales> they said try here
[12:21] <deiwales> i guess half the world is sleeping :d
[12:21] <Tm_T> well, this is not "support" channel really ;)
[12:22] <deiwales> not looking for support as such, just curious as to whether feisty is planned to have the new kicker start panel in kde
[12:23] <Tm_T> deiwales: head into #ubuntu+1 and I might try to say what I know ;)
[12:23] <lotusleaf> deiwales, very true, watch the movie "They Live" and you'll discover how right you are. :)
[12:24] <deiwales> lol
[12:24] <deiwales> anyway
[12:24] <deiwales> i need to sleep now
[12:24] <deiwales> no doubt i will pass by tomorrow to ask again in #ubuntu+1
[12:24] <deiwales> thanks fow now
[12:24] <deiwales> for*
[12:25] <deiwales> bye
[12:38] <gnomefreak> anyone happen to know where the building -dbgsym (wiki or LP) went to?
[12:55] <Riddell> gnomefreak: how do you mean?  packages should be in pitti's directory
[12:56] <Riddell> mhb: catalogue bug?
[12:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: kolab pong?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> Riddell: he wrote up instruction on how to build them
[01:04] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[01:05] <Riddell> why would you want to?  just build the sources normally and don't strip
[03:02] <vprints> Hey!
[03:03] <vprints> Is there a possibility to use http and ftp protocols parallelly for one apt server, if one won't work then try the other?
[03:04] <vprints> i mean automatically
[05:02] <manchicken> http://blog.notsosoft.net/ <-- A little post about my new doggy :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: is it syndicated to planet yet?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hehe, cute
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi Knightlust
[05:03] <manchicken> It's not free-software related.
[05:03] <manchicken> I think only my free software feed gets syndicated on the planet.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:04] <Knightlust> hi Hobbsee
[05:20] <claydoh> manchicken: very cute pup
[05:21] <manchicken> Thanks :)
[05:21] <manchicken> Cool.
[05:22] <manchicken> I like that the Humane Society is requiring pitbull owners to take their dogs to training courses.
[05:23] <manchicken> That way when folks start talkin' smack and spreading lies about my pup I can show them how not only is my dog safe, but it's better behaved than theirs :)
[05:23] <claydoh> ya, here it is on a dog-by dog basis,
[05:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:23] <claydoh> :D
[05:23] <manchicken> My dad actually told me that if I didn't want to die, that I shouldn't buy a pitbull.
[05:23] <manchicken> heh
[05:23] <Hobbsee> although, my friend's dog goes insane every time it sees me, which is amusing
[05:23] <manchicken> He said the dog would kill me.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> keeps running around in circles, until it falls over, as it's so excited.  *g*
[05:24] <manchicken> Today, when that "killer" dog came up to him and started licking his face, he totally fell in love with it.
[05:24] <claydoh> well my 8lb jack russel is more dangerous than most pits
[05:24] <manchicken> All dogs are dangerous if they're not well raised and cared for.
[05:25] <claydoh> that  type is hwere pits got some of their 'bad' traits
[05:25] <manchicken> It's where they got the bad press more than anything else.
[05:25] <claydoh> no, my jack *will* bite a stager if a hand goes to the wrong place
[05:26] <manchicken> Jerks buy tough-looking dogs because they've gotta compensate for something, and then they abuse the dog into fighting.
[05:26] <claydoh> stanger=stranger
[05:26] <manchicken> If the dog feels threatened of course it will attack :)
[05:26] <manchicken> If it really is being threatened, it has every bloody right to attack.
[05:27] <manchicken> I'm not convinced that dogs are capable of separating real danger from perceived danger very well.
[05:27] <claydoh> no, he failed his evaluation
[05:27] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:27] <claydoh> he was to be put down, were seeing if he will improve
[05:27] <manchicken> So you all actually rescued that dog from Humane Society policy then?
[05:28] <claydoh> yes
[05:28] <manchicken> Good on you.
[05:28] <manchicken> Most of the time it seems like it's the fault of the owner, not just a personality on the dog.
[05:28] <manchicken> I watch enough animal planet to know how bad some of these dogs are cared for.
[05:29] <manchicken> I think they hold the really bad cases back though.
[05:29] <claydoh> mostly the owner yes, but like people there are sometimes , welll
[05:29] <manchicken> At the shelter?
[05:29] <manchicken> Our shelter here is loaded with the right people for the job.
[05:29] <manchicken> Extreme animal rights folks.
[05:30] <claydoh> well dogs that simply are too dangerous to place, for whatever cause :(
[05:30] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:30] <claydoh> here the do euthanise, but only for the worst, and never cuz the shelter is full
[05:30] <manchicken> Yeah, same here.
[05:31] <manchicken> They've got foster folks here who can take animals when it gets too crowded.
[05:31] <claydoh> here, some of the so-called 'no-kill' shelters transfe their bad ones here, kinda two-faced
[05:33] <manchicken> They actually have some no-kill shelters in Chicago.
[05:33] <manchicken> I think one of them is even sponsored by PETA.
[05:34] <manchicken> We had to take a cat there.  She wasn't healthy enough for the move to Shampoo-Banana, so we took her in.  Some staffer called me up 2 days later telling me that she'd adopted the cat for herself.
[05:34] <claydoh> I am leery of peta, they are sort of against pets, er, companion animals
[05:35] <manchicken> The animals-are-people-too folks and I don't get along too well, but I really appreciate their position when it comes to animal shelters.
[05:35] <claydoh> but that may just be local
[05:35] <manchicken> Well they're against the idea that pets are property.
[05:35] <manchicken> I'm not sure how I feel on that.
[05:36] <claydoh> i can understand thart
[05:36] <manchicken> I think legally the pet should be property, but socially and practically they should be family members.
[05:36] <claydoh> its more  a responsbility, but not quite ownership
[05:36] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:36] <claydoh> bingo we agree 100%
[05:37] <manchicken> We're referred to as my dog's people.
[05:37] <manchicken> heh
[05:37] <manchicken> not her owner
[05:37] <claydoh> and the cat, well he's the real boss anyway
[05:37] <manchicken> She's our dog and we're her people.
[05:37] <manchicken> Yeah, I think my cat is going to get a wake-up call once the dog comes home :)
[05:37] <claydoh> yup
[05:37] <claydoh> heh
[05:37] <manchicken> This cat wouldn't leave the older cat alone when he came into the house.
[05:38] <manchicken> This dog is going to return that favor.
[05:38] <manchicken> They introduced her to a cat at the Humane Society, and the dog wanted to play.
[05:38] <manchicken> The cat... not so much.
[05:39] <claydoh> they will figure it out somehow :)
[05:39] <manchicken> I'm trying to find a dog collar with penguins on it.
[05:39] <manchicken> But not these ugly blue ones I keep seeing on ebay.
[05:39] <claydoh> but mine is bigger than 2 of my dogs anyway
[05:39] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:40] <manchicken> This dog is only 6 months old, and she's twice what the cat weighs.
[05:40] <manchicken> Hilarious.
[05:40] <claydoh> huge guy, tho he is a bit fat, but loosing weight
[05:42] <manchicken> Okay, I'm gonna hit the hay.  It's been a long day and I'm ready for this sinus headache to be done with.
[05:42] <manchicken> Later.
[05:46] <Jucato> #kubuntu-dogs... :)
[05:50] <claydoh> "P
[05:50] <claydoh> argh
[05:50] <Jucato> :D
[05:50] <Jucato> funny pair of eyes you got there claydoh :)
[05:51] <Jucato> my lets loose a cat to distract riley
[05:51] <Jucato> er...
[05:52] <claydoh> riley is not distracte, sends in loveable weimaraner who likes to slap new friends in the face....
[05:53] <Jucato> hehe
[05:53] <claydoh> its her signature
[05:54] <Jucato> oh :)
[05:54] <claydoh> she rears up and tries to smack people i the face
[05:54] <claydoh> bizzare but cool
[05:54] <Jucato> lol
[05:54] <Jucato> are you sure she's trying to smack people in the face? or trying to eat the face? :D
[05:55] <claydoh> smack
[05:55] <claydoh> not a mean bone in her
[05:55] <Jucato> :)
[05:57] <claydoh> where.......
[05:57] <Jucato> planet ubuntu
[05:57] <Jucato> http://www.ogmaciel.com/?p=336
[05:57] <Jucato> it looks serene.. not like SUSE's green... which is a bit bright
[05:58] <claydoh> got it
[05:58] <claydoh> ya a real quality green kde would be nice
[05:58] <claydoh> that is a nice gnome theme
[05:58] <Jucato> yeah it is
[05:59] <claydoh> dang
[05:59] <Jucato> hehe go! :)
[05:59] <Jucato> sweet dreams
[05:59] <claydoh> but im on vacation! i should be able to do wha I want
[06:00] <claydoh> but I am falling asleep :(
[06:00] <Jucato> bioclock
[06:00] <claydoh> yeah
[06:00] <claydoh> 1 am is about when I get sleepy
[06:02] <Jucato> g'night claydoh!
[08:54] <_StefanS_> mornings
[10:22] <Tm_T> aww
[10:32] <Tonio_> hey :)
[10:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: I just built the kernel with the patch suggested by M Garret, that's way better
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_!
[10:35] <_StefanS_> show me the money !
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[10:37] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[10:37] <Tonio_> crimsun: talking about bug 87253
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87253
[10:38] <Tonio_> crimsun: sound works out of the box without unmuting any channel in alsamixer and speaker and headphone level are independantly configurable
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm working on the kdesu dialog, finally I have some time to do it :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: very nice ;)
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what is the plan ? perform what ubuntu does ?
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep basically
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: will you keep the command line visible in the box ?
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont know if we should do the fade though, but maybe that's the best thing
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I will just leave it as kdesu is today
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'd like to have it hidden and showing via a "details" button
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes keep the fade ;)
[10:43] <glatzor_> Riddell: Hi, do you know the IRC nick of Simon Edwards, the guy behind guidance?
[10:43] <Tonio_> glatzor: _Sime
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I suggested to Riddell that it would be much nicer to have the "Adept Manage Packages" show instead of the actual command
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I mean, you can always trace what lies beneath by using the K-menu
[10:44] <glatzor_> Tonio_: Thanks.
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but how to do it for any kind of launched command ?
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well in pratical I dont know exactly..
[10:44] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is no way I guess
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but we could always have it fall back if we cant lookup the name
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: hey :)
[10:45] <_StefanS_> hey Lure
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: ready for zagreb ?
[10:45] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, when are you arriving?
[10:45] <Lure> hi _StefanS_
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: friday afternoon
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: did yo have time to review the keycodes for macbook screen backlight ?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Lure: I'd love to get that in ;)
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: me too - I am taking my daughters to grandparents in Zagreb and will stay for weekend
[10:46] <Tonio_> Lure: ho so you will not be at the conference ?
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: backlight: I think something is missing below kmilo
[10:46] <Lure> Tonio_: I will be there on Sat, no worry
[10:47] <Lure> Tonio_: we might meet already on Fri evening if you do not have other plans
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: hum...... backlight control works with guidance-power-manager, so I really wonder what's missing....
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: the only thing is to bind the keys no ?
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: do you get kmilo notification (similar to volume)?
[10:48] <Tonio_> Lure: no
[10:48] <Lure> Tonio_: will look into this tonight
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I just put the keycode, but indeed it doesn't work for now
[10:49] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe it is just mapping missing (no symbol), but need to check that everything is in kmilo
[10:49] <Lure> Tonio_: my HP has brightness control in HW, so no way to control from SW
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: HW ?
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: it is done in HW (BIOS, or whatever), so no way that OS/SW can control it
[10:50] <Tonio_> Lure: ah okay
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: well, in my case, should be okay as long as it already works in guidance no ?
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: I think so
[10:51] <Tonio_> just a matter of binding the key I think
[10:51] <Lure> Tonio_: I think kmilo generic may be missing some code, but we can add this
[10:51] <Tonio_> okay
[10:51] <Tonio_> Lure: how is done the binding generally ?
[10:52] <Lure> Tonio_: /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[10:52] <Lure> Tonio_: we just need to find suitable XF86xxx name for it
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: lemme look
[10:55] <Tonio_> Lure: note that other machines seem to use the same keycode (your page)
[10:55] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, that is done by kernel/hotkey-setup - they ensure if keycodes exists, that they are consistent
[10:56] <Tonio_> Lure: shouldn't that be done there ?
[10:56] <Lure> Tonio_: so we are safe to add keycode -> xkeysym mapping and then catch xkeysym in kmilo properly
[10:56] <Lure> where?
[10:56] <Tonio_> I mean how to do it if several machines have different keycodes for that ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Lure: with your trick that'll only work for one keycode right ?
[10:58] <Lure> Tonio_: we need to fix the keycodes in kernel/hotkey-setup for them
[10:58] <Tonio_> Lure: ah okay
[10:58] <Tonio_> Lure: I think i can do it eventually, as long as I know which keycodes to use
[10:59] <Lure> Tonio_: you can check kmilo code if there are xkeysyms there
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: why not loog at hotkey-setup package ? ;)
[10:59] <Lure> hotkey-setup only does keycodes, has no clue about X and xkeysyms
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: yes but if I put the correct keycode for my machine should be okay no ?
[11:01] <Tonio_> I'm a bi lost in the mess dealing with laptops seems to be on that point :)
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure, as I need to review kmilo implementation
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: no problem, we will get it fixed ;-)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'll let you deal with this...... sounds messy :)
[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: you may want to open a bug, so that we have easier way to include the fix ;-)
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: will do but on which package ?
[11:04] <Tonio_> kmilo, hotkey-setup ?
[11:04] <Lure> kmilo/kdeutils
[11:04] <Tonio_> great, doing this now
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: and assign it to me
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anything interesting happening in Zagreb ?
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can't remember why you were there ;)
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  !
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ubuntu conference
[11:08] <Jucato> :D
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey where's the kubuntu in that ?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Koooboontoo
[11:08] <Tonio_> http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/konferencija/index.en.php
[11:09] <Lure> _StefanS_: Tonio_ is kubuntu in there ;-)
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll do a speach introducing ubuntu and detailing kubuntu
[11:10] <_StefanS_> oh nice
[11:17] <Lure> suse uses very hardcode/HW view of suspend/hibernate: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-03-18/moreinfo/643210/#visual
[11:18] <_StefanS_> wow thats some ugly icons..
[11:18] <_StefanS_> wierd transparency also for that pause icon
[11:19] <gamemank> what's the pause icon supposed to mean
[11:19] <Lure> gamemank: you pause your computer?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> gamemank: dual skidmarks
[11:19] <gamemank> oic
[11:19] <gamemank> didn't connect how those icons had to do with suspend
[11:19] <gamemank> *yawn*
[11:19] <_StefanS_> somebody double crapped on the icons..
[11:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: I do not like "Susepend to RAM" and "Suspend to disk" terminology either
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Press play on tape
[11:20] <_StefanS_> thats something we like
[11:20] <gamemank> Jucato: o_O
[11:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: it is too technical and imho just done that way to be different than windows/macosx
[11:20] <Jucato> :D
[11:21] <Jucato> is that a RAM chip?
[11:21] <gamemank> Jucato: considering i'm currently staying up all night doing hw and will be doing so every night for the next 2 weeks, i think disappearing would be a generally good idea
[11:21] <Jucato> gamemank: aw... that's not good :(
[11:21] <Jucato> the staying up all night :(
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: the reason I'd like the brightness working on macbook is that I'd like to impress the people at the conference with the very nice macbook pro support :)
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Lure: it doesn't work well in linux at all, so I dont even see the point of not mimic'ing stuff that works
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Lure: like from windows or mac
[11:22] <gamemank> hmm.. now who knows PL/pgSQL
[11:22] <Tonio_> Lure: we'll kick their a$s ;)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: whats the date for feisty ?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: release date that is
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_:april, probably about 20-25
[11:31] <_StefanS_> oka thanks
[11:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: theory is 19th
[11:32] <_StefanS_> oka
[11:34] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, r u here?
[11:34] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:35] <zbenjamin> i get a bit frustrated with suse when i tried to download updates. 10 minutes for suse to sync all my update sources EVERY time i tried to download a update. Even if yast synced a few seconds ago
[11:35] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: suse is just bad for your health .. IMHO
[11:35] <zbenjamin> and i decided to throw it FAR away and use kubuntu for now on
[11:36] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: wanted to try it several times, but they dont exactly go by keep it simple approach
[11:36] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: throwing it away every time
[11:38] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, i had to use kubuntu for development on work and it just works. A few days later i tried to update my suse-system. I was sitting in front of my monitor waiting and after 20 minutes i gave up. Since i installed suse10.2 i get more segfaults than before. F.E kicker crashes very often. Or the system hangs on shutdown. It's time to use something better ;-)
[11:38] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: yea, suse should really pay more attention to make the stuff simple, rather that pack it with stuff that is shiny
[11:39] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: or just drop suse altogether and just work on knetworkmanager instead ;)
[11:39] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: which is good.
[11:40] <_StefanS_> imho anyways :)
[11:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: you had some success with kdesu?
[11:45] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, ack, they should pay more attention to stability and usability
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: indeed
[11:46] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: but this is good for *ubuntu
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just testing a WType_popup for the kdesu dialog now
[11:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like it works for keeping it above others also
[11:56] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[12:08] <Enola_Gay> kde-guidance doesn't recognize some changes like second screen or other administrator mode options. Buttons are still greyed out after changing them and on exit it doesn't ask to confirm the made changes.
[12:09] <Riddell> reminds me, _Sime is 0.8 going to get released?
[12:14] <Enola_Gay> But the resolution recognization works fine.
[12:15] <Enola_Gay> Are there any plans for installing updates automatically with adept or at least make it an one click option?
[12:17] <Enola_Gay> Is it possible that the package hpijs-ppds is not installed in kubuntu by default but in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/84936
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84936 in kubuntu-meta "hpijs-ppds package does not automatically install in Kubuntu feisty herd 3 install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:23] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, yes its good for *ubuntu. I'm glad that kubuntu is there i really don't want to loose my kde desktop ;-)
[12:23] <Enola_Gay> Ok, thanks, cu.
[12:24] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: I agree, I was on fedora before - but kde is really bad there
[12:25] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, i tried fedora core some time ago. I don't like it. Well gentoo is a option for me too but i don't want to compile 2 days before using my desktop-system. Maybe i will use it for a Server
[12:26] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: dont bother with gentoo.. its about dead anywyas
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: just got your mail concerning the uds, very nice, thanks :)
[12:28] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: the performance is barely noticable anyway
[12:28] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: used to run gentoo for while before going to fedora
[12:28] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: eh before fedora
[12:30] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, it's dead? no more development?
[12:31] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: well alot of developers have left due to bad vibes..
[12:31] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: and the state of linux distros have changed alot the last 2 years, making gentoo a less interesting choice
[12:32] <zbenjamin> i remember something about the gentoo creator joined in microsoft. or iam wrong?
[12:32] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: donno actually, he briefly joined a while ago again, but left within a few days
[12:32] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: just move on .. :)
[12:33] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_, anyway kubuntu is my new distro ;-) seems i move on ;-)
[12:34] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: glad to hear that
[01:23] <vprints> is there a way for adept or apt-get to automagically try http protocol on server if ftp fails for some reason and vice versa?
[01:23] <vprints> and good morning :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> nope
[01:24] <Hobbsee> nice idea though
[01:24] <Hobbsee> (wishlist bug on apt would be the way to go)
[01:25] <vprints> we are haveing a problem with our local server
[01:25] <vprints> and this brought up the idea
[01:26] <vprints> beacause somehow http has got really unstable but ftp is always up
[01:27] <vprints> but if system would try ftp automatically everything would still work
[01:27] <vprints> should i make it against adept or apt-get?
[01:27] <sebas> apt-get
[01:28] <Jucato> apt
[01:28] <vprints> k
[01:29] <Hobbsee> apt, which does apt-get
[01:31] <danimo> heya!
[01:32] <vprints> i am sorry, i am new, wishlist is also through a bug interface?
[01:32] <sebas> Yes, it a 'bug' for a missing feature
[01:32] <gamemank> hmm might be a stupid question/idea, but what if you just put both http:// and ftp:// in your sources.list?
[01:32] <sebas> Like, "I'd like this to be implemented"
[01:33] <crimsun> Tonio: still too many revisions
[01:33] <sebas> gamemank: I think this only works if the package list doesn't show the package then, it's not a fallback for a system that's down
[01:33] <vprints> gamemank, but i am proposing it to be a feature
[01:41] <vprints> https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/93692
[01:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93692 in apt "Feature that apt would automatically try ftp: instead http: and vice versa if one fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:42] <Hobbsee> yep, it does
[01:42] <Jucato> ah ok. I thought it only used http...
[01:42] <Jucato> (read something like that in k-users ML)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> k-users may or may not be accurate
[01:43] <Hobbsee> but is usually more accurate than forums
[01:43] <Jucato> mostly because they lack some knowledgeable people...
[01:43] <Hobbsee> true
[01:44] <Hobbsee> they often tend to be few and far between
[01:44] <Jucato> (mostly because Hobbsee's not there)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:45] <Hobbsee> you're knowledgable enough, Jucato
[01:45] <Jucato> I'm allergic to ML's :D
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:45] <Hobbsee> yes, so get back to the bugtracker :P
[01:46] <Jucato> heh actually I do answer some... but I realize that most questions asked there are quite more advanced than what I know
[01:46] <Hobbsee> those always exist
[01:46] <Hobbsee> unless you're Riddell or another deity, of course.
[01:47] <Jucato> hm.. some other deity perhaps
[01:50] <_StefanS_> or entity
[01:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:50] <_StefanS_> and so we build kde ... again.
[01:51] <Jucato> because popups don't usually accept text input?
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well its not like the konsole popup, or the like .. you should be able to put anything on a WType_Popup actually..
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but good point nevertheless
[01:52] <Jucato> probably just because I haven't seen a popup in KDE that asks me for some text input yet...
[01:52] <apokryphos> kdialog --inputbox is very useful :P
[01:53] <apokryphos> perfect for scaring other members of the family with questions when you ssh in
[01:53] <_StefanS_> hehe I bet..
[01:53] <sebas> apokryphos: Interesting usage of the word "useful" :-)
[01:53] <sebas> I agree with you though :-)
[01:53] <Jucato> hehehe
[01:54] <sebas> "AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH, the computer can see me!???????"
[01:54] <Jucato> aaaah virus!!!
[01:54] <apokryphos> "Answer this questions or your computer will lock up. In the 1700s, who was it that said...?"
[02:12] <Jucato> wb gamemank
[02:12] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: heh.  that's neat
[02:25] <gamemank> watching 3d animations in class :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> fdoving: how far did you get with kdar?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken_
[02:28] <Jucato> gamemank: kool :)
[02:29] <gamemank> don't think mine's going up -- damn ffmpeg
[02:29] <manchicken_> mornin'
[02:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: i'm presuming you got claire's email
[02:31] <manchicken_> not yet
[02:34] <manchicken_> Something bad?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> no
[02:39] <Jucato> 1.0?
[02:39] <Jucato> er.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> 1.0.1
[02:39] <Jucato> oooh
[02:39] <Jucato> they're really fast...
[02:40] <danimo> heya!
[02:40] <danimo> and it feels really fast for some reason
[02:40] <Jucato> :D
[02:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> probably is
[02:40] <danimo> Hobbsee: not sure if that is because I didn't install any true type fonts yet
[02:40] <Jucato> true... each new release seems to be faster than the previous
[02:40] <danimo> they tend to slow down the system tremendously
[02:41] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: Got Claire's email.
[02:41] <manchicken_> Gotta figure out who to room with.
[02:41] <manchicken_> heh
[02:42] <manchicken_> Who else is going?
[02:42] <danimo> btw: what's the point in selecting ones language in the installer if the language pack isn't even scheduled for download?!
[02:42] <Riddell> danimo: how did you install/upgrade?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: now that's what i was thinking
[02:42] <danimo> Riddell: from herd 5
[02:43] <danimo> Riddell: then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:43] <Riddell> danimo: the language pack should be installed, but only if there's an internet connection
[02:43] <danimo> Riddell: ah, at the time of installation, there was no internet
[02:43] <danimo> Riddell: but why isn't it scheduled then?
[02:47] <Riddell> danimo: I don't know of any way in apt to do that
[02:47] <danimo> eek
[02:48] <Riddell> danimo has turned into a mouse
[02:49] <Jucato> :D
[02:50] <manchicken_> danimo: That's no excuse ;)
[02:50] <manchicken_> heh
[02:50] <danimo> manchicken_: yeah, you seem to know about it ;)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> vim-common does, yeah
[02:50] <manchicken_> heh
[02:50] <danimo> Hobbsee: sucks
[02:50] <Hobbsee> indeed
[02:50] <Hobbsee> proper vi is great.
[02:51] <danimo> Hobbsee: who did this?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> danimo: people trying to remove space
[02:51] <danimo> well, I have vim, but it's missing all the syntax highlighting
[02:51] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, why not vim-x11 then?
[02:51] <danimo> it's not that debian or ubuntu ever had problems with MORE packages :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> the syntax highligting requires a conf file
[02:51] <danimo> Hobbsee: I am still hesitating to do so
[02:52] <danimo> otoh, I guess as soon as I install GIMP, it will install gconf and friends anyway
[02:52] <Hobbsee> and you've got it for ooo, anyway, iirc.
[02:52] <danimo> Hobbsee: nope, otherwise apt wouldn't be whining
[02:53] <danimo> Hobbsee: only ooo-gnome depends on it
[02:53] <danimo> I really hope we'll see a dbus-based storage system before OOo will need to depend on gconf
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:54] <danimo> hmm, google earth seems to have a new feature :)
[02:54] <danimo> fog of war :)
[02:54] <danimo> I can't zoom in without everything greying out
[02:59] <imbrandon> fog of war, thats soooo warcraft2 ;)
[02:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:00] <imbrandon> heya danimo
[03:01] <danimo> hi imbrandon!
[03:06] <mhb> Riddell: I did send you the number
[03:06] <mhb> Riddell: bug 47181
[03:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in adept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[03:12] <danimo> no w32codecs in multiverse?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> no
[03:12] <danimo> where else?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> seveas repos, usually
[03:13] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[03:13] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[03:13] <danimo> ok
[03:13] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[03:14] <Jucato> we no longer have to say "enable multiverse, install libxine-extracodecs" in feisty anymore right?
[03:15] <Riddell> Jucato: correct, just install libxine1-ffmpeg instead
[03:16] <Jucato> ah kool. that makes things easier now :)
[03:16] <Jucato> but if that's in main already, why not have it installed by default as well?
[03:16] <danimo> Jucato: amarok even installs it itself
[03:16] <danimo> Jucato: (if encountered with mp3 files)
[03:16] <Jucato> ah yeah the script
[03:17] <danimo> that's something really ugly about _any_ linux distro
[03:17] <Riddell> Jucato: MP3 is a patented algorithm
[03:17] <danimo> everytime you upgrade, you have to figure out the Multimedia Codec Installation Method of the Day (tm)
[03:18] <danimo> Riddell: Linux Magazin is broadcasting the Talks from CeBIT via Ogg, really cool
[03:18] <Jucato> danimo: heh... at least libxine-extracodecs existed for 2 releases :D
[03:18] <danimo> Riddell: they even force windows users to install the ogg codec for WMA :)
[03:18] <Riddell> danimo: didn't realise that
[03:18] <Riddell> they also do it in realplayer
[03:19] <Jucato> Riddell: hm.. ok... I'm no lawyer... I just thought that stuff in main are not license/patent encumbered...
[03:19] <danimo> Riddell: they launch realplayer
[03:19] <danimo> Riddell: but the codec is ogg, really
[03:19] <danimo> Jucato: no, just universe and multiverse is enabled by default now :)
[03:20] <Jucato> danimo: libxine1-fffmpeg is in main though (afaik)
[03:20] <danimo> maybe
[03:20] <Jucato> !info libxine1-ffmpeg feisty
[03:21] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[03:21] <danimo> hmm, dvb firmware isn't shipped either :(
[03:22] <mhb> some of it, yes
[03:22] <danimo> yay, suspend to ram works now :)
[03:22] <danimo> yakumo quickstick here
[03:23] <mhb> danimo: incidentally I do own the same one :o)
[03:24] <mhb> danimo: I even wrote a bug about it, but nobody has ever commented on it
[03:24] <danimo> mhb: I deleted the firmware
[03:24] <danimo> do you now where I can get it again?
[03:24] <mhb> danimo: you mean the firmware file you need for the driver to work?
[03:25] <danimo> ah, found it
[03:25] <danimo> yes
[03:31] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:41] <dinosaur-rus> I'm getting a bit tired of kernel updates... :P
[03:42] <rbrunhuber> Should all bugs be rejected if their status is "needs info" and the last comment is older than 3 months? Even if they are assigned?
[03:42] <dinosaur-rus> rbrunhuber: I guess they should
[03:43] <rbrunhuber> So nobody is hitting me if i start a run this night, doing so?
[03:44] <Jucato> neither would I
[03:44] <Jucato> I would probably ask for info again
[03:44] <rbrunhuber> Jucato : What do you mean?
[03:44] <Jucato> I guess it also depends on the bug
[03:45] <sebas> Or close with "Please reopen if you can confirm this bug still exists and provide the information asked"
[03:45] <sebas> Bugs in needinfo state really don't help us developers if they're abandoned by the reportere.
[03:45] <rbrunhuber> sebas, Jucato: I'll take the standard text for this.
[03:45] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: make sure you give a polite notice saying why it has been closed and that they should re-open it if they have more info
[03:45] <Jucato> that works too ^^ :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi Jucato ;-)
[03:46] <Jucato> hi bddebian! :D
[03:47] <rbrunhuber> Has anyone got the link to the ubuntu-devel mailing list archives at hand?
[03:48] <rbrunhuber> sorry forget it I got it myself.
[04:25] <hunger> Can I get the kontact headers from some package?
[04:25] <hunger> I need to build a kontact plugin.
[04:25] <Riddell> kdepim-dev?
[04:25] <hunger> Hmmm... good idea that. Thanks Riddel.
[04:28] <Jucato> there is no plain libqt4-dev package?
[04:29] <Riddell> Jucato: sure there is
[04:29] <Jucato> I can only find libqt4-dev-kdecopy... installing that messes up qt4 apps...
[04:30] <hunger> Jucato: There is one. I am using it.
[04:30] <Jucato> um... on feisty? what's the package name?
[04:31] <hunger> Jucato: libqt4-dev
[04:31] <hunger> You will need qt4-dev-tools as well I think.
[04:31] <Jucato> hm... why isn't it showing in apt-cache :(
[04:32] <hunger> I just copied the name out of aptitude.
[04:32] <Jucato> hm... I'll try again (and again...)
[04:49] <danimo> Riddell: can you make kbluetoothd depend on bluez-pin?
[04:49] <Riddell> danimo: does that hel pthings?
[04:50] <Riddell> bluez-pin is a gnome application
[04:50] <danimo> now that you say it: it doesn't atm
[04:50] <danimo> but kbluetoothd/hcid fail to show a pin helper
[04:51] <Riddell> it's all broken, I don't have the hardware to fix it so any help appreciated
[04:52] <rbrunhuber> Riddell, danimo: Bluetooth is a hot topic these days :-). I'm getting on poor Riddells nerves with this too. :-)
[04:53] <rbrunhuber> danimo: There is a bug 89291 about it.
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89291
[04:56] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: But if there are no resources on this why is the at least "working for me" debian package for bluez-utils and kdebluetooth synced?
[04:57] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: libqt4-dev is shown by apt-cache here...
[04:57] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: yeah... weird that I can't see it here... :(
[04:58] <dinosaur-rus> is it possible to create "lite" version of KDE development package without that huge amount of dependencies?
[04:59] <Jucato> you basically only need kdelibs4-dev, not the whole kde-devel
[04:59] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: we tend to sync everything at the start of the cycle
[05:01] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : But how about make an exception from this rule and have working bt though. I could be clearly stated that this is the exception which manifests the rule.
[05:03] <rbrunhuber> manifests=proves. Just looked up the idiom.
[05:03] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: what are you suggesting we do?
[05:04] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: If you want to get involved in this I'll send you an bt-usb dongle if you like.
[05:05] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: I don't have any bluetooth devices to talk to it
[05:06] <Riddell> kwwii: the text on the kubuntu usplash is still black on black during the CD self-check
[05:07] <kwwii> Riddell: OK; I'll look into it and/or talk to Seveas about it
[05:08] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : I'll try to get in touch with the ubuntu bluetooth group and see what they say about it. If gnome has not problems with an older bluez version we should really consider to resync the packages. If nobody can get this fixed.
[05:32] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[05:32] <Lure> Tonio_: pong
[05:32] <Tonio_> Lure: I found pommed that is supposed to work with all fn keys
[05:33] <Tonio_> Lure: but it just ignores all fn keys here
[05:33] <Tonio_> Lure: which other process can conflict with it ?
[05:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume kmilo uses hal or something right ?
[05:34] <Tonio_> Lure: when I stop kmilo kde service, I also noticed my mouse gets frozen for one sec when I press an fn key.....weird
[05:35] <Lure> Tonio_: I just quickly checked kmilo, and generic does not have any code yet for brightness
[05:35] <Tonio_> Lure: everything in pommed works except all fn keys
[05:35] <Tonio_> Lure: hu ? it works on some laptops afaik no ?
[05:35] <Lure> Tonio_: what pommed does, besides fn keys?
[05:35] <Tonio_> thinkpads if my remembering is correct
[05:36] <Lure> Tonio_: it works on some, but it may be acpi-support or HW doing it...
[05:36] <Tonio_> Lure: manage the eject key, brighness control, keyboard backlight control
[05:36] <Lure> Tonio_: problem is my laptop does it in HW, so no way for me to test
[05:36] <Tonio_> for example the auto keyboard backlight works, but not the manual thiing with the fn keys
[05:36] <Lure> Tonio_: eject key works also with kmilo, right?
[05:36] <Tonio_> pommed is debian native software, so it should work on ubuntu
[05:36] <Tonio_> Lure: nope
[05:37] <Lure> Tonio_: strange, as eject code is there in kubuntu patch
[05:37] <Tonio_> fails without the software installed although xev reports X86eject
[05:37] <Tonio_> the point is that there is something running on the top of pommed that catches the fn events
[05:38] <Tonio_> i'd like to guess what......
[05:38] <Lure> Tonio_: you can check kmilo patches - I think it should call "eject" command - does "eject" command work on macbook?
[05:38] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, that's what pommed uses too
[05:38] <Lure> Riddell: any progress on k3b UVFe?
[05:38] <Tonio_> Lure: no idea what might conflict with this ?
[05:39] <Lure> Tonio_: then I do not see what is the problem...
[05:39] <Tonio_> there is some ubuntu specifics to map f12 to right click, but I don't know what exactly.....
[05:39] <Tonio_> the same things conflicts with pommed I guess
[05:51] <Tonio_> Lure: looks like the patch didn't apply or something.... I'll have a look concerning eject
[05:58] <Tm_T> hmh, interesting that I can't find a way to configure generating of kernel lines to grub menu.list
[06:01] <firephoto> Tm_T: # defoptions=quiet splash   <-- that line
[06:01] <Riddell> Lure: no reply yet
[06:04] <Tonio_> Lure: kool, I just built latest pommed from source and everything works ;)
[06:04] <Tonio_> that doesn't explain why the eject cd fails with kmilo, but as long as this can be done, no matter :)
[06:04] <Tonio_> I need to request a debian sync for pommed btw
[06:04] <Tonio_> everything's perfect now :)
[06:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: I fixed bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/93686 for you :)
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93686 in kdebase "Konqueror French in Status Bar" [Undecided,Fix committed] 
[06:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: looking at kmilo code and pommed, it looks possible to patch kmilo to do the same
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: there is specific code in kmilo for brightness for example, we eventually could do the same for macbooks/powerbooks
[06:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Does your fix affect Bug #87938?
[06:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87938 in kdeutils "Ark, feisty, Compress menu in French" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87938
[06:15] <Tonio_> I'm looking at kde bts eventually
[06:17] <mhb> Riddell: what about the bug I told you about?
[06:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: probably yes
[06:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: the "konqueror statusbar" info is from ark too
[06:18] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.  I'll check it out after I get the new build and then dupe it to 93686 if it's fixed.
[06:19] <Tm_T> firephoto: oh my eyes, thanks sir
[06:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure :)
[06:51] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, that'll be the same
[06:51] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[06:52] <ScottK> I'll take care of that bug once the new package is out.
[10:07] <wsjunior> Guys, I know it isnt a support channel but I couldn't get help elsewhere. It's a simple question about Konqueror. The Searchbar used to be cleaned up after some research but it isn't working in Kubuntu Feisty, I thought it would be just some preference setting but I couldn't find it here, maybe I'm just kinda blind. Is it possible to change something to get this behaviour back or it is hardcoded?
[10:10] <apokryphos> wsjunior: sorry, but like you said, this isn't a support channel.
[10:10] <wsjunior> apokryphos: :)
[10:14] <mhb> wsjunior: have you tried a mailing list, a forum or the #kubuntu+1 channel?
[10:15] <wsjunior> mhb: Yes, and #kubuntu+1 just have 1 single person :-p
[10:15] <mhb> wsjunior: usually there's a higher chance people answer on the forums or on the mailing list. Furthermore the people will be less rude than apokryphos :o) (no offence :o)
[10:16] <wsjunior> mhb: That's ok. :) Thank you anyway. :-p
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: didn't we have a kubuntu OOo splash in the past?
[11:24] <Riddell> kwwii: nope
[11:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: I've never used uupdate
[11:25] <kwwii> Riddell: well, if anyone wants to make it possible, I have a blue version of the OOo Splash and About image
[11:26] <Riddell> mhb: by the way I'm not ignoring you about the adept bug, it's on my todo to look at, sorry for the lack of reply
[11:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, Thanks anyways
[11:28] <mhb> Riddell: no problem
[11:45] <mhb> Riddell: one more comment to the adept bug - in upstream adept there are 175 msgids, in rosetta only 168 even though the lines to be translated are in the code