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mptI propose that each time someone visits their own +karma page, their karma drops by 10 points01:24
LaserJock:-)01:24
Kmoshehe01:25
LaserJockmpt: karma -= $bigheadpoints01:26
mptWhat does "-=" mean?01:27
LaserJockkarma = karma - $bigheadpoints01:28
jameshin place subtraction01:29
Kmos:)01:30
Kmosmpt: u're not a coder01:30
Kmoshehe01:30
Kmoskarma-=rand() % 10;01:31
Kmoshehe01:31
mptoh, decrementing01:37
mptLaserJock, in the beta interface everyone has a bighead, so decrements for everybody01:38
LaserJockmpt: :(01:41
LaserJockmpt: speaking of big heads, in beta I now see a hackergotchi in 2 places01:42
KmosLaserJock: maybe in the left top corner will be the hackergotchi01:43
Kmosand not in the right01:43
LaserJockmpt: but the one in the upper left looks really crowded, at least on my page01:43
Kmosanyone knows?01:43
Kmos:)01:43
mptLaserJock, we're currently discussing appropriate sizes for the graphics in each place01:43
mptKmos, the one in the upper left appears on all your pages. The one on the right appears only on your Overview page.01:44
Kmosyep01:44
Kmosthe upper left one won't be replaced by hackergotchi of each user?01:45
mptKmos, it should be already01:45
LaserJockit is now01:45
mpttry uploading one and see01:45
Kmosi've one01:46
Kmoslet's check my page01:46
mptkiko, I think bug 89183 should be Critical, because it's quite common, and appears to prevent people from using Launchpad (though they can get around it with URL-hacking, that's not obvious). What do you think?01:47
UbugtuMalone bug 89183 in launchpad "beta URLs don't redirect to production if person is not in beta team" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8918301:47
LaserJock+1 for that01:47
LaserJockI keep forgetting when I'm pasting01:48
dsasheh ditto.01:49
Kmoshttps://beta.launchpad.net/~gothicx/01:50
Kmosit's on the right01:50
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Kmosi think yes :)01:56
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UbugtuNew bug: #93565 in malone "Launchpad compresses white-space in middle of input" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9356503:16
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nowhere_manI did not follow any news about it, so I don't know: has LP's source code been released?03:22
jameshnowhere_man: no.03:24
jameshnowhere_man: we've released a few of the base components (e.g. the CVS/Subversion import code), but probably not the bits you are aftrer03:24
nowhere_manOK, is there any long-term plan for a release?03:26
jameshnowhere_man: I can't give you an answer better than what's in the faq: https://launchpad.net/faq03:28
nowhere_manoh sorry, I didn't see there's a FAQ (LP is quite unresponsive at the moment)03:29
nowhere_manI'll check it, thanks03:29
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Kmoscya tomorrow03:33
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UbugtuNew bug: #93585 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse atom feeds expose vostok hostname" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9358505:56
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lifelessreview meeting in 1006:49
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lifelessreview team meeting07:01
spivOh, already.07:02
lifeless5pm07:02
jameshkind of07:02
BjornThi07:03
lifeless    *07:04
lifeless      Roll call07:04
lifeless    *07:04
lifeless      Next meeting07:04
lifeless    *07:04
lifeless      New raw SQL coding standard - RobertCollins07:04
lifeless    *07:04
lifeless      Queue status.07:04
lifelessmeh07:04
lifelessthat sucked07:04
lifelessanyhow, good to see we're all here07:06
lifelessso, next meeting, one week, same time ?07:06
spivI like this time.07:06
BjornTi can't make it next week, i'll be travelling at that time.07:06
lifelessBjornT: are you not travelling a reasonable delta from this time? or the day07:07
BjornTlifeless: i'll probably take the whole monday off as a holiday. if not, i could probably start working at 0900UTC07:09
lifelessW07:11
lifelessWe'll hold it without you, thats fine;07:11
lifelessjust add your apologies :)07:11
BjornTsure :)07:11
lifelessso, new coding standard - has that been resolved on the list ?07:12
lifelessor is it still in debate ?07:12
BjornTi think it's been more or less resolved, hasn't it?07:13
spivI wonder if we can apply the randomise order hack to non-SQLObject SELECT queries?07:13
BjornTbasically, make sure that tests get a reliable order. if the ui needs the same order, place the order by in sql, otherwise sort the results in the tests.07:14
lifelessyeah, I think that was consensus07:14
jameshthat's the rule of thumb I use07:14
lifelessI've added roughly that to the LaunchpadHackingFAQ07:14
lifelessperhaps one of you could see if it parses right ?07:14
jameshi.e. don't test the order of a result set unless the order of the result set is worth testing07:14
lifelessjamesh: thats a good way to phrase it07:15
spivbrb, phone07:15
lifelessin a related thing, rinchen added this to the tipsforreveiwers: 'Please make sure that fmt:date and fmt:datetime becomes the standard usage everywhere, UNLESS there is a really good argument for just using fmt:datetime.'07:17
lifelessI can't parse that properly, I'm guessing there was a transcription error somewhere.07:17
lifelessanyone know more ?07:17
jameshMark sent an email about this07:17
BjornTyeah, he probably meant that we should use the new formatters sabdfl added07:17
jameshbut he was suggesting fmt:approximatedate, iirc07:18
BjornTfmt:approximatedate and fmt:displaydate07:18
lifelessjamesh: perhaps you can ensure that https://launchpad.canonical.com/DatetimeUsageGuide documents this ?07:18
lifelessand then we can remove the code policy from tips for reviewers07:19
lifelessso that we have policy for date time in the one place :)07:19
jameshgood idea07:19
jameshJoey also posted an email about "tips for reviewers - review implementation for consistency across Pillars"07:20
jameshI am not sure what that means though07:20
lifelessYeah07:20
lifelessneither am I, or stub.07:20
lifelessI've mailed him directly explaining that I'm confused, and added a note about that.07:20
jameshmaybe we'll get clarification when he starts work today07:20
lifelessI noticed the wiki updates on saturday, hopefuly I wasn't too abrupt in my emails :). It felt a little weird to see several in-strange-place-hard-to-understand updates happening all at once.07:21
jameshI'm guessing it is along the lines of "if it works for distributions, it should work for products"07:21
jameshand vice versa07:21
lifelessso whole swathes of the ui don't hold that true07:22
spivback.07:22
lifelessi.e. branches are asymmetric07:22
lifelessand bugs07:22
jameshyep07:22
jameshbugs work for products and distros07:22
lifelessand distroreleases07:22
lifelessbut not projects07:22
BjornTbugs work for projects07:23
jameshdistroreleases are roughly equivalent to product series07:23
lifelessdo they? for some reason I thought that you could not target a bug at a project, only a product07:23
jameshthat's true07:23
jameshyou can list the bugs for a project though07:23
lifelessright07:23
BjornTlifeless: sure. you can't target a bug to a project, but there's is a 'report a bug' on the project page07:24
lifelessI don't mean 'are not functional', I mean 'are asymmetric'07:24
jameshBjornT: it is missing from the actions portlet07:24
lifelesswhich is a break of '"if it works for distributions, it should work for products"'07:24
jameshlifeless: well, there isn't really an analogue of projects for distributions07:24
lifelessjamesh: can I rope you in to check my lphackingfaq update ?07:25
jameshdistribution is roughly equivalent to product07:25
lifelessjamesh: distro <-> project distrorelease <-> product :)07:25
lifelessits kinda morphed from that these days07:25
lifelessI'm oooold skool07:25
BjornTwhat about product series? :)07:25
jameshlifeless: I'd say distro <-> product and distrorelease <-> productseries07:25
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lifelessjamesh: I'd have said source package <-> productseries, or something like that.07:26
jameshlifeless: you can draw similarities there too, but then I'd say DistributionSourcePackage <-> Product and SourcePackage <-> ProductSeries07:27
lifelessBjornT: did I miss the minutes for the wednesday review meeting last week ?07:28
BjornTlifeless: seems like you did. i did send them to launchpad-reviews.07:29
lifelessBjornT: did you link them to the agenda wiki page ? :)07:29
BjornTlifeless: ah, i might have forgot that :)07:30
lifelessBTW they should be sent to launchpad@ as well as launchpad-reviews.07:30
BjornTok, didn't know that.07:30
lifelessSteveA asked for that, so that the whole team knows what reviewers are planning/doing.07:30
BjornTsounds reasonable07:30
lifelessok, review queue status07:33
lifelessI've not assigned stuff yet today, doing ater ther meeting07:33
lifeless27 items07:33
jameshI've sucked in the last week, but will send off Mark's review today.07:33
spivThat's ok, after the meeting I'm planning on powering through all the stuff in my queue.  It's mostly small, and I've already started on david/launchpad/vcs-import-sync-status.07:34
lifeless8 more than one week open (up one from last week).07:34
lifelessok.07:34
lifelessI'll do a nag on my thursday if its not significantly improved then07:35
lifelessok, I think thats all.07:36
lifelessjamesh: I'm putting the following down as action item:07:36
lifeless* Jamesh to check Roberts update of LaunchpadHackingFAQ, and update the DatetimeUsageGuide page to match Marks UI policy (And remove from TipsForReviewers when done).07:36
lifelessjamesh: thanks07:36
lifeless507:37
jameshlifeless: I'm rewriting it to not just refer to Raw SQL07:37
lifelessjamesh: excellent07:37
spivYes, I think TipsForReviewers ought not repeat things that all devs are expected to know.07:37
lifelessspiv: right07:37
jameshrather note that you need to be more careful of raw SQL, since the randomisation isn't done there07:37
lifelessI think Rinchen wanted to get the message across07:37
spivjamesh: I wonder if we could make that happen, though...07:37
jameshspiv: once we switch to $NEWORM, hopefully there will be less reason to use raw SQL ...07:38
lifelessand isn't aware of how all our documentation sits together07:38
spivThat's true.07:38
jameshalthough $NEWORM doesn't support randomisation yet07:38
lifelesswe should make that happne07:40
lifeless:)07:40
jameshyep07:40
spivWe ought to write a test about it, so that $NEWORM won't work for us until we have it ;)07:40
lifelesssweet07:40
lifelesswhat degree of confidence do we want on it ? :)07:40
lifelessjamesh: ping me tomorrow about your new branches please, I got busy.07:41
jameshlifeless: lphackingfaq entry updated07:47
lifelessthanks!07:47
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UbugtuNew bug: #93606 in launchpad-bazaar "Better reporting of SFTP permission errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9360608:25
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UbugtuNew bug: #93609 in launchpad-bazaar "Better error messages for bzr lp://" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9360908:46
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UbugtuNew bug: #93630 in malone ""Binary package hint" is a mysterious term" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9363010:00
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UbugtuNew bug: #93614 in launchpad "OpenPGP keys: Keys pending validation: Never get the e-mail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9361410:17
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UbugtuNew bug: #93637 in rosetta ""Your browser languages" doesn't do anything useful" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9363710:35
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Nafallomrevell: hi!11:42
mrevellNafallo: Hi11:42
Nafallomrevell: I promise not to take screenshoots :-)11:43
mrevellNafallo: Cool, thanks :) I'll add you to the team. When you have a moment, it'd be helpful if you could reply to my email.11:43
mrevellNafallo: Okay, you're now in the team!11:44
Nafallomrevell: oh, you've sent another one? or just confirm there to? :-)11:44
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mrevellNafallo: I sent an email asking you to confirm that you won't take screen shots of the beta interface.11:45
mrevellNafallo: But I assume that's why you just pinged me here :)11:45
Nafallomrevell: sure was. but I can reply aswell ;-)11:45
mrevellNafallo: Thanks :)11:45
mrevellNafallo: If you have any questions, please ask.11:46
mrevellNafallo: You'll automatically be redirected to the beta interface, but you can disable that for two hours at a time, on the standard Launchpad home page11:46
Nafallowow11:48
Nafallothis rocks! :-)11:48
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cprovgood morning !12:58
Hobbseehiya cprov 12:58
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Nafallohi again :-)02:24
NafalloI'm translating in Rosetta and would like to propose to have the bar with Next and Last etc both on top and on bottom... is that possible? :-)02:25
NafalloI have to scroll all over the place if I don't want to make changes now :-P02:25
Kmosi agrre :)02:31
Kmosagree02:31
matsubaraNafallo: bug 5280602:31
UbugtuMalone bug 52806 in rosetta "interface: "next" should be at the bottom, too" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5280602:31
Nafallokewl. I'll subscribe then :-)02:31
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kikoahoy there!03:36
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ddaaahoy kiko03:50
kikohow's it going david03:51
ddaakiko: can you move https://beta.launchpad.net/debian-cd/main to obsolete-junk, please?03:51
kikosure.03:51
ddaagoing well here03:51
ddaagnuhello import is live03:51
ddaabtw, it's better to ask me if you need an import to get done, at the moment it NEEDS manual intervention to go forward03:52
ddaaand if you just approve it yourself, I may just miss it.03:52
kikoddaa, I clicked on the wrong button unfortunately. thanks for pointing that out!03:53
ddaabtw, why is it that we needed gnuhello imported all of sudden?03:53
kikoddaa, SteveA or sabdfl suggested it for a sample project IIRC03:53
sabdfli did04:04
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geserany idea who I could poke about bug #87077?04:06
UbugtuMalone bug 87077 in launchpad-buildd "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8707704:06
matsubaracprov, bigjools: ^04:08
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cprovmatsubara: hi, it's only related with lp-buildd code, infinity should be working on it.04:13
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geserI've mailed infinity about it but it seems he is busy with other things.04:14
popeylp seems a bit sluggish at the moment04:16
cprovgeser: I see, but he is the one that could help you with this, either requesting fixes in current ubuntu perl or in our chroots. You can also nag archive-admins about it.04:17
popeyjust getting the front page is taking well.. a long time04:17
ddaaI see we just have our first format 6 branch uploaded to launchpad...04:23
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popeysomething odd going on in launchpad04:30
popeysometimes it delivers pages fine, sometimes it prompts firefox to want to download pages04:30
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ddaathat would be the gzip problem04:31
popey"the gzip problem"?04:31
ddaapopey: are you talking about beta.launchpad.net, or about launchpad.net?04:32
popeybeta04:32
ddaapopey: next time you have this download prompt, it would be nice if you could dowload it and check what the gunzip command does with it.04:34
popeyi did, its plain text04:34
ddaacan you put it in a pastebin?04:35
ddaawe had some problems recently with launchpad serving apparently empty gzipped pages, but that was supposedly fixed on beta, that's why I asked.04:36
ddaathe problem occurs randomly and is hard to reproduce, so we need as much detail as possible to fix it.04:37
popeyhmm04:38
popeybunch of nulls at the start of this one04:38
popeymakes it difficult to copy/paste :S04:38
popeyhttp://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/3504:38
popeythere you go04:38
matsubarapopey: could you please add the info to bug 89194?04:40
UbugtuMalone bug 89194 in launchpad "LP (regular and beta) sending gzipped, zero byte replies" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8919404:40
ddaaapparently popey has a different, albeit probably related, problem04:40
popeyhow much info do you want attached?04:42
popeyjust from HTTP1.1 to <!DOCTYPE ?04:42
ddaajust upload the whole file as an attachement04:43
popeyok04:43
ddaawe're not worried about a few more kb in the librarian :)04:43
popeyheh04:44
popeyok, added04:47
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BenCAnybody with an lp database magic wand around?04:53
BenCI need the packages assigned to empty-team reassigned to ubuntu-kernel-team04:53
BenCand if possible, delete empty-team04:53
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UbugtuNew bug: #93765 in launchpad "[beta]  Hackergotchi should have text on the left hand" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9376505:21
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sladenmmm, no launchpad bugs messages for 6hours.  Am I just being exceptionally lucky?05:36
kikolifeless, can you check send-bug-notifications on gangotri?05:37
kikothanks for reminding me sladen 05:37
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Theunihmm. is it possible the codebrowser is broken down?05:48
Theuniloading http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~refreshng-dev/refreshng/dev takes a long time and then some apache decides it doesn't want to wait any longer05:48
SteveATheuni: we need to upgrade the bzr and pack the knits on there05:49
SteveAwhich will make it work faster05:49
Theuniah hi SteveA 05:49
SteveAso watch out for some changes there over the next week or two05:49
Theunialright05:50
Theunibtw: how are you doing your deployment/development with launchpad?05:50
oojahsladen: I think you're just causing trouble to be honest...05:50
Theunido you use something like buildout or are you interested in using it?05:50
SteveAwe use a .deb package with dependencies for things we need to have installed05:51
SteveAand nested bzr trees for stuff we customize05:52
SteveABenC: hi.  did you get your request seen to?05:52
BenCSteveA: Not that I'm aware of :)05:52
SteveAhow many packages are we talking about?05:53
SteveAI can do it using the launchpad ui for you, but I'd rather leave it to stub to use the database directly.05:53
TheuniSteveA: Interesting. Jim is currently looking into using buildout to package software up as RPMs to use those for distribution. I was wondering whether you guys would be interested in having a similar thing to do that for .deb. I'm interested in this and wonder if other people are as well.05:54
BenCSteveA: like ~1505:54
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SteveABenC: mail me a list of launchpad URLs or names of packages, and I'll do it05:55
BenCSteveA: email addr?05:55
SteveAsteve @ canonical05:55
SteveAextra points for a GPG sig ;-)05:56
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SteveATheuni: I don't really understand the use-case for it05:56
kiko-fudSteveA, the use case for packaging python into debs?  really?05:57
SteveAI understand python eggs -> .debs05:57
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BenCSteveA: Sent and signed, thanks :)05:58
TheuniRight. A project infrastructure might contain more things than just eggs though. E.g. files that go to /etc/ or somewhere else.05:58
SteveABenC: I have a couple of calls, but I'll attend to these later today.  Let me know if it's urgent and you need these sooner05:59
Theunibuildout projects maintain this information and can keep them within a central sandbox e.g. for developing or you could make it store them centrally.05:59
SteveATheuni: that's part of the skill of making .deb packages for Ubuntu -- knowing the right policies on what goes where, and how to install and uninstall and upgrade well05:59
Theunihowever, sysadmins seem to like getting software into production not via version control but packaged stuff.05:59
BenCSteveA: It's important, but not a case for dropping other things05:59
SteveABenC: ok, have it for you in a few hrs06:00
kiko-fudlet me see if I can get lunch here06:00
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SteveATheuni: hi07:16
SteveATheuni: > See the dump attached.07:16
SteveA???07:16
siretartis it possible to set tags with the MaloneEmailInterface?07:25
kikosiretart, it's not, no. 07:25
siretartk07:25
kikothere's a bug filed on it but this is requested rather infrequently07:25
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ddaaTheuni: it looks like the attachement is missing :)07:27
LaserJockkiko: I'm guessing we'll be doing it quite a bit07:33
kikoLaserJock, time to motu it07:33
LaserJockwe're launched a "tag the Universe" campaigne07:33
LaserJockwe've also got 450+ request-for-package bugs to file/tag07:34
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Lumiereimo tags should be part of the affects area07:39
Lumierenot part of the description07:39
kikoLumiere, that's complicated.07:39
LumiereI know07:40
Lumierebut I'm doing the same thing as LaserJock 07:40
Lumiereand there are a LOT of clicks to do that in Malone07:40
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LaserJockLumiere: if you had lots of tags wouldn't it get cluttered fast?07:44
Lumiereit's still just a space separated list 07:45
kikoI think Lumiere actually means he'd like them to be editable inside the bug page07:48
kikoinstead of on a separate page07:48
kikonot that they'd fit in with the affects targets.07:48
LaserJockah07:50
LaserJockI see07:50
LaserJockthat'd be cool for sure07:50
Lumiereyes07:53
Lumierebecause the more you try and use them07:53
Lumierethe less you want to have to click a bunch to find/edit it07:54
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swimmerino88hi to evrebody!i have a simple question...i have registered me in launch...now what do i have to do to become an ubuntu tester?08:27
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kikoswimmerino88, join #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-devel08:28
swimmerino88ok08:29
stgraberswimmerino88: if you want to test iso, I'd suggest you to join #ubuntu-iso08:30
swimmerino88stgraber: no my idea is to test the the unstable ubuntu distros08:31
stgraberswimmerino88: that's what's done by the ubuntu testing team on the channel I just gave you08:31
stgraberswimmerino88: testing Feisty and reporting bug08:32
swimmerino88stgraber:ok thank you!08:32
stgraberswimmerino88: np08:33
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