[12:14] delrey: however, the fact that you've raised it, may mean there is a market. The difficulty might be finding a mentor with suitable knowledge /and/ willing === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === guerby [n=guerby@gut75-4-82-235-162-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikonia [n=mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] sladen: This cpu thing is going to have to be fixed in userspace [12:51] sladen: The reason we lose cpufreq reference is because the kernel hot-unplugs the cpu before suspending [12:51] sladen: So all ref's to it are removed [12:52] userspace needs to respond to cpu hot plug/unplug and do something with it [12:52] like restore scaling governor and such === Steck [n=Steck@c-71-205-63-116.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-17611eba529a40bb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-edc17e61f32ac426] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] sladen: Also, if you're going to help with kernel bugs (and I really appreciate it), can you read over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-156-202-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-156-202-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] BenC: haha, *grin* it makes sense now. [01:33] BenC: Could you make the bugsquad aware of that page if you haven't already? ubuntu-bugsquad@lists.ubuntu.com [01:39] dsas: could you? :) If you send it and CC to BenC you know that it'll get done! === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] sladen: Sure, just checking it hadn't already been sent there. I'm behind on my email. [01:41] oh, it's already been to devel-announce. I'll forward it on. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB904.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] dsas: Thanks [01:49] BenC: no problem. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@59.40.119.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p213.54.189.108.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p213.54.189.108.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@ubuntu/member/pochu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@59.40.119.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip72-209-70-78.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-ef34146380cc8ac4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-bc970a3197d23654] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB904.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] wah "katu kernel: [204078.636000] Using specific hotkey driver" [02:50] sladen: mine says that too.... [02:50] sladen: I think it enables some hidden cheat codes :) [02:56] Mine does that in all its terminals sometimes too :( === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] jdong, what package version? [03:06] kylem: latest kernel [03:06] kylem: ever since like -9 [03:06] [ 19.656000] Using specific hotkey driver [03:06] it will put that on all terminals if bootup is fast enough === PuMpErNiCkLe [n=pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] I've had it since around -9 too, and it appeared several times over the course of a few days (no reboots). [03:09] I see sladen has filed a bug with the solution :) [03:09] jdong, odd, i pushed a fix for that to git last week. [03:09] interesting.... well it still shows up in -20 oddly [03:09] err, make that -12 [03:12] fucked up. [03:12] Fujitsu: jdong: can you confirm it [03:13] sladen: yeah I can confirm ; [03:14] what bug # [03:14] Bug #93564 [03:14] Malone bug 93564 in linux-source-2.6.20 "printk("Using specific hotkey driver\n"); has no prefix" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93564 [03:14] patches welcome :) [03:14] lol [03:14] well in that case I'll just live with it :D [03:15] uh. [03:15] I'll fix it real quick [03:15] i fixed it already. [03:15] will be in release, not in beta though [03:15] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=398c3db849ca235addc3bc16b8c683f180518661 [03:15] kylem: Oh, you're fast [03:15] no. [03:15] 4 days ago. [03:15] KERN_INFO shouldn't be broadcast by syslogd. [03:15] ah, then it's in -12 [03:15] BenC: it's happenin with -12 [03:16] at least it did once.... [03:16] hmm [03:16] jdong: I can't see how, even the bug report shows that the printk line has KERN_INFO prefix [03:16] maybe something else is printing it as well. [03:16] I had it happen yesterday, and I'd upgraded and rebooted a day prior. [03:17] the new kernel just came out today [03:17] eeentaresting. [03:18] linux-source-2.6.20-2.6.20$ rgrep "Using specific" * [03:18] drivers/acpi/hotkey.c: printk(KERN_INFO "Using specific hotkey driver\n"); [03:18] so it's fixed [03:18] Ah, OK. [03:18] ah. [03:18] possibly sladen didn't reboot, but had fetched new src. [03:19] yeah perhaps I'm imagining it too... never mind :) [03:19] random people really need to stop marking bugs as "Confirmed" without Importance and Assignee :/ [03:19] Ah, that was Fujitsu :) [03:20] uhm. on a thought. [03:20] BenC: Does your new policy forbid that? [03:20] oh. nm. it includes timestamp. i was thinking there might be some kind of user program. oh well. [03:20] Fujitsu: I can't see it making any sense to Confirm a bug without having a priority set, and it being assigned [03:20] ... [03:20] That makes more sense for In Progress. [03:21] No [03:21] But not Confirmed. [03:21] we have different teams for kernel bugs [03:21] the "Confirmed, assigned to team" state is used as a list of where to got to work on bugs [03:21] uhm. [03:21] a team member pulls the bug into "In Progress" and assigns it to themselves [03:22] kylem: mainly, we have ubuntu-kernel-team, ubuntu-audio (crimsun) [03:23] sorry, the uhm, was another thought. [03:23] Fujitsu: For kernel bugs, Confirmed == assigned to ubuntu-kernel-team, for future reference [03:23] kylem: ah :) === Fujitsu thinks that makes very little sense. [03:23] But it's your call. [03:23] exactly [03:24] Fujitsu: wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBugPolicies...you have to understand, kernel bugs are very different than bugs on other packages, we have a team that needs to coordinate, and we have a large incoming stream of bug reports [03:25] we need policies like that to keep things straight [03:25] KernelTeamBugPolicies I meant [03:25] Yep, I can see that... === twb [n=twb@CPE-155-143-208-237.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] Howdy. I'm building customized livecds based on Edgy; my script in /etc/rcS.d doesn't appear to be run automatically at boot time. What am I doing wrong? === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] BenC: oops sorry then I've been guilty of using Confirmed incorrectly in the past, too. I apologize and defend myself on account of ignorance :D === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] jdong: It's no problem, but to be honest, it's a new policy that just started being enforced :) [03:34] I've been trying to go through the bug reports today and clean things up [03:35] it's really hard to get a handle on them without some consistency [03:35] yeah, that's for sure === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-156-202-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-156-202-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=dogmatis@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB904.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ruddzw [n=rudd@ool-43574fa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.68.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:59] hrm, there seems to be a missing /etc/init.d/mountnfs - mount-bootclean mentions it as a requirement, and my nfs mounts don't get done at bootup. === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] morning [06:09] heya fabbione! [06:09] yo yo === Hobbsee uses her psychic powers on fabbione to make him do more stuff :P [06:10] what kind of stuff? :) [06:11] be careful what you wish for [06:13] i'm sure i coudl find something... [06:14] well find it :) otherwise i will start to work for real ;) [06:15] fabbione: fix all the bugs in ubuntu by 5pm. [06:15] :) [06:16] Hobbsee: isn't bug #1 enough by 2pm? i have a meeting then ;) [06:16] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [06:17] fabbione: heh. maybe [06:20] :) === Matia1 [n=mt1086@201.255.112.76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matia1 is now known as matia1 [06:30] /matias === matia1 is now known as Matia1 === Matia1 [n=mt1086@201.255.112.76] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-094-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] good morning [06:36] heya doko === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A909F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-109-100.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === khermans_ [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-b8ee1216a18f9bd5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-95420ef3d1398621] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] I have a question. [07:07] The Web host I work at uses Fedora Core but constantly has problems because it goes EOL [07:08] FC4 for example is currently EOL, vuln at highest patch level in many instances [07:08] It's come to my attention that Ubuntu has 1.5 year support, but Dapper has a 5 year LTS cycle [07:08] When Dapper EOLs, will the coinciding release have a 5 year LTS cycle or a normal 1.5 year support cycle? [07:09] It just seems like an interesting idea [07:10] bluefoxicy: I think it depends on when the next LTS release is [07:10] LaserJock: is there some sort of criteria? [07:10] Like some magic has to happen that makes the developers want to do it? [07:10] when the free software world looks good [07:10] LaserJock: I'd logically expect another LTS to be available before Canonical decides to unplug dapper. === jdong lives in happy utopia [07:11] I'd not expect two to overlap because then you'd have 5 distros to support :) [07:11] anyhow, there should be an option to update from one LTS to the next LTS [07:11] bluefoxicy: well I'd expect a smooth upgrade path _somewhere_ :) [07:12] well, you can imagine what makes sense [07:12] smooth upgrade paths are important [07:12] half the time when we upgrade things the shit hits the fan as hard as it can [07:12] BOOM broken server [07:12] but I've been told several times that the LTS releases aren't done as a time release [07:12] bluefoxicy: the fc is probably intentional, as you are supposed to buy the commercial product from redhat, right? [07:12] I'd except Feisty+2 to be LTS, to allow a reasonable changeover period. [07:12] *expect [07:12] Otherwise desktops only have 6 months to change. [07:12] LaserJock: right, but I dont' think Canonical would strand Dapper EOL without another LTS around... [07:13] LaserJock: after all, they _do_ have corporate customers, no? [07:13] I've had much more luck with Ubuntu than Fedora in that regard; though I've been told that FC6 upgrades from FC4/5 smoothly (Finally; FC4->5 destroys your system and you have to spend 2 hours fixing it) [07:13] giftnudel: probably. FC is community supported though. It's like Ubuntu but not as good. :) [07:13] bluefoxicy: 6-7 won't yum... gotta use Anaconda [07:13] jdong: I would think so but they have 5 years for the server [07:14] jdong: balls. [07:14] they have quite a bit of time [07:14] bluefoxicy: but I've managed to yum-ify a lot of Fedora upgrades :) [07:14] bluefoxicy: no, not balls, just recklessness :) [07:14] bluefoxicy: did I tell you I booted Ubuntu off ntfs-3g once? [07:14] ... [07:14] bluefoxicy: supported upgrade options are for sissies :) [07:14] lol === jdong decided to restore his computer from backups for fun today... [07:16] and I SWEAR the system runs faster... [07:16] now that you've defragged it? :P [07:16] guess it doesn't hurt to refresh a 1.5-year-old ext3.... [07:16] bluefoxicy: that might be ;-) [07:17] my /home is xfs :/ [07:17] bluefoxicy: hmm... XFS has always rubbed me kinda wrong as a general-purpose FS [07:17] reiserfs :P [07:18] I use it for my media encoding drive [07:18] bluefoxicy: actually I did that for a few years :) [07:18] reiserfs is trash [07:18] it didn't work out too badly [07:18] esp. back when ext3 was dog slow [07:18] yeah [07:18] it was the first journaling file system I was aware of [07:18] yeah for sure [07:18] and remarkably fast at its time [07:18] I suppose jfs predates it by a billion years [07:18] jfs is trash too though [07:18] its Linux port wasn't stable at that time [07:19] if you go down it'll be like ACK [07:19] reiserfs was the first Linux stable journaling fs [07:19] and never come back to life, ever, even after a fsck or log replay [07:19] "stable" being a relative term of course [07:19] bluefoxicy: the thing that got me with JFS... you must mount ro, fsck, remount rw after uncleanness [07:19] bluefoxicy: which doesn't happen automatically for /home [07:19] jdong: I tried JFS last in Breezy. [07:20] bluefoxicy: I used it in Breezy too... [07:20] I cycled power 3 times randomly and it could not recover, fsck said it was clean and mount said "OSHIT CAN'T DO THIS IT'S FUXED HARD!" [07:20] that was my last runin with it too.... [07:20] bluefoxicy: I used it on an old computer... 33MHz 486/DX [07:20] O_O [07:20] where every other fs but ext2 was absurdly slow [07:20] dude, ubuntu doesn't run on its minimum specs, give it up [07:20] like apt-get upgrade of 1 package was 30 minutes long [07:20] bluefoxicy: hey hey it runs vim just fine :P [07:20] 192MB of RAM == kill GNOME before running Ubiquity.. in fact make Ubiquity your WM [07:21] bluefoxicy: it's a fully console system [07:21] ah [07:21] bluefoxicy: warty warthog actually :) [07:21] never upgraded it past that [07:21] I actually installed GUI ubuntu dapper on a 350MHz AMD K6-2 [07:21] with 192MB of RAM [07:21] ubiquity kept OOMing [07:21] bluefoxicy: a 400MHz celeron, 256MB RAM + Ubuntu GNOME was our standard-issue robotics computer [07:21] our corp sponsor had STACKS of them lying around [07:22] so we just took them, Ubuntu, and handed out free laptops to all team members interested in programming [07:22] Eventually I shut down everything-- cups, hplip, gnome, gdm, lvm/evms, mdadm, everything [07:22] worked great. [07:22] did a startx with ubiquity as the only running process [07:22] it barely made it. [07:22] ha Ubiquity is pushing it :) [07:23] the alternate installer works with about like 24-38MB of RAM [07:23] If I was wiping the disk it would have been fine, I'd have made the swap partition; but I was resizing a win98 partition [07:23] actually that systme had 24MB RAM and it failed [07:23] so I installed Ubuntu from another system and transfered the HDD [07:23] debootstrap [07:23] naw had other computers -- easier :) [07:24] and you have no idea how painful extracting debs is [07:24] :) [07:24] damn small linux [07:24] reading database..... [07:24] (4 hours later) [07:24] share drive as ntfs [07:24] install to that [07:24] lol [07:24] err, as nfs [07:24] not ntfs wtf [07:24] I've done the NTFS thing too :P [07:24] I want Ubuntu/MINIX [07:25] haha [07:26] barely any hardware support, networking... only IDE... [07:26] but if you're lucky you'll have GNOME with no sound on an ne2000 NIC [07:27] I think it'd be just awesome enough to cause a growth spurt in Minix development. Maybe. Hey I love the pure microkernel design, what can I say? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] ah Minix, the first non-MS OS I ever used :-) [07:28] Debian took too many floppy disks ;-) [07:28] Minix 3 is up now [07:29] it's actually taken on its full form [07:29] Minix and Minix2 both represented research; Minix3 capitalizes on that, the effort now aims to produce a desktop-ready OS [07:33] jdong: have you seen the crazy shit I've been throwing on the wiki? [07:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSecurityCore [07:34] I'm actually leaning mostly towards OSSIM....... [07:34] it doesn't matter though, it's not like anyone will actually do it === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stephanbuys [n=stephanb@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@247.Red-83-49-51.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Sp4rKy [n=Sp4rKy@ubuntu/member/sp4rky] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.68.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-49-220.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] Good morning [08:31] hi pitti [08:32] pitti, do you happen to have a few spare cycles today? [08:32] hi Seveas [08:32] Seveas: probably not, things are just a matter of priority :) so what's up/ [08:32] ? [08:33] I have 3 non-invasive but important patches to various usplash themes that should go in before beta. They fix color issues [08:33] I asked Mithrandir, but being release manager he had no time :) [08:35] pitti, would you have time to apply & upload them? The only thing they do is change pallette indexes from "completely broken to the point where they may cause segfaults" to "sane and looking ok" [08:38] Seveas: sure, I can do that, as long as this doesn't interfere with kwwii's work [08:38] Seveas: where's the new package? [08:38] kwwii already cheered for doing it :) [08:38] pitti, http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/usplashcolors.patch http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/usplashcolors-e.patch http://www.kaarsemaker.net/files/usplashcolors-x.patch [08:38] patch for usplash-theme-ubuntu edubuntu-artwork and xubuntu-artwork [08:39] looks sane enough [08:40] Seveas: any particular reason why you changed hex to dec? [08:40] the hex was a silly mistake and caused the darkblue-text-on-black-background [08:41] where it said 0x144, I meant 144 [08:41] etc... [08:41] so addressing portions of memory possibly not under our control (aka segfault...) [08:41] well, possible segfault [08:42] gotta go to work, if you want to know more, please drop me a mail [08:43] Seveas: a changelog would have been nice, but I'll craft one === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mitsuhiko [n=nblackbi@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] good morning :) === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pradeep [n=pradeep@59.92.82.23] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@194.230.53.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] cjwatson: funny that d-i moved to -11 kernels one minute after BenC uploaded -12 ;) === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] asac: WDYT about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFirefoxSupport ? [09:18] asac: our last attempts with backporting stuff to older major releases were pretty much disastrous; were there some changes upstream or in the inter-distro porting teams which would make it easier now? === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d54C689F7.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-0-177.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] Mithrandir: I uploaded usplash-theme-ubuntu and xubuntu-artwork with Seveas' color palette indices fixes; patch looks sane, usplash still looks sane, edubuntu-artwork already has the patch applied === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] pitti: coolie, thanks. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEE5DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] pitti: yeah, I've just been playing catch-up - unfortunately somebody (possibly me, I forget) remove-package.py'ed the old kernels before d-i had moved away from them, so all the d-i-based CDs broke, and I was trying to get them functional again [09:57] does the "No kernel modules were found" problem in alternate/server have a bug number? === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AEE5DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] fabio said this was a known issue === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] needs a d-i upload, probably? [09:57] heno: there is never a point filing a bug about that one [09:57] morning [09:58] yes, it should be sorted as of today's CDs, if not I'll notice [09:58] ok, we were just discussing it in the testing forums [09:58] heno: "No kernel modules were found" means that the kernel version in the installer seed is out of sync with that in the version of d-i on the CD, or that the kernel version in the installer seed is no longer in the archive [09:59] ah, I need to munge the archive for the new d-i [09:59] god news is that the volunteer testers are actually finding things :) [09:59] right [10:00] seb128: compiz> not needed for beta, right? [10:01] I'll rebuild the CDs after this publisher run === zerbero_626 [n=jga@p85.212.25.208.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] Mithrandir: not sure, mdz mailed me to get this patch in === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] seb128: what about gdm? [10:04] Mithrandir: it fixes the .desktop category, I would accept it [10:04] BenC: your grub upload in unapproved is incorrect; grub does not work correctly with gcc 4.1 without any changes. [10:04] seb128: 'k, accepted. [10:04] thank you [10:04] what kind of info are usually required to file a bug on Network Manager? /etc/network/interface? [10:04] Mithrandir: could you approve gedit also? [10:05] Mithrandir: it just lists "upgrade" as a known prerm case [10:05] seb128: oh, sure. [10:05] gtkhtml3.14 is a one liner which fix the emoticons use [10:05] fabbione: what is the problem? [10:06] Mithrandir: it breaks my static ipv6 setup... [10:06] and xchat-gnome would be nice to accept, since it's not on the CD anyway ... [10:06] Mithrandir: ifup brings up the interface correctly.. nm restarts it without ipv6 [10:06] fabbione: feel free to file a bug, I doubt it'll be fixed without a patch though. [10:07] Mithrandir: well it's a regression from edgy/dapper... but feeeehhh [10:07] and yes, a copy of interfaces(5) is fine. [10:10] now the most funny part... [10:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/mount [10:10] does anybody have a clue on why /var/run and /var/lock are mounted a few gazillion times? [10:11] if i run mount -a again, it will remounted again a few times... [10:11] hm, not here... [10:12] pitti: i noticed only today with the very latest updates [10:12] seb128: xchat-gnome; you want that in too? [10:12] and machine can't reboot/halt.. hangs at sending KILL signal to processes (but it seems to be a known bug already) === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] Mithrandir: and xchat-gnome would be nice to accept, since it's not on the CD anyway ... [10:12] up to you [10:13] it can wait after beta if you think it's better, the fixes are easy enough though [10:13] ah, ok, seems safe enough [10:13] cool [10:13] is it possible to see what's in the unapproved queue in launchpad for edgy-proposed? [10:14] siretart: yes [10:14] how? [10:15] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+queue [10:15] look in the unapproved list, and the "proposed" pocket. === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] hm. then somehow my upload of libaqbanking got lost [10:17] I got this email from launchpad, but cannot find it anywhere: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11009/ [10:18] hm, it's in the queue on drescher just fine. [10:20] siretart: can you use 3ubuntu1~proposed1 or something like that as the version number instead, please? [10:21] Mithrandir: okay. Willdo. shall I reupload right now? [10:21] 3ubuntu0.1~proposed1 even, no? [10:23] Adri2000: *shrug*; doesn't really matter, given that 2.0.0-3 is in edgy, 2.2.3-3 is in feisty. [10:23] siretart: yes, please. [10:24] uploaded [10:25] Mithrandir: sorry for having it uploaded with the wrong version number in the first place, but was this the cause that it doesn't show up in /+queue? === mvo [n=egon@p54a67ea5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] ooi, why the /+foo type of urls in so many of the launchpad urls etc? [10:27] (I mean the '+') [10:27] siretart: no, those things are unrelated. [10:27] k [10:28] jvw: I suspect because LP is a conglomeration of zope applications [10:28] ah, that's a zope-ism? Never really worked with zope either [10:28] jvw: ask #launchpad, I guess; my best guess is that since a lot of Launchpad is organised as a taxonomy, they needed something to identify reserved names [10:29] compare /ubuntu/feisty and /ubuntu/+queue [10:29] if it were /ubuntu/queue then you couldn't create an Ubuntu release called 'queue' [10:29] (silly example, but) [10:30] right, yeah. It does solve a namespace issue that way === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180087225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] pitti: did you get any negative feedback about your python2.5 patch? if not I would like to apply it to the python2.4 package as well [10:40] doko: no, not so far [10:40] doko: I'm still waiting for an upstream response === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.4.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tokj [n=tokj@151.82.0.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@151.73.132.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codingmaster [n=codingma@dslb-084-059-014-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@140.110-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-ed83daecbb50a906] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73019.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] hellas === ikonia [n=mattd@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@140.110-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codingmaster [n=codingma@dslb-084-058-203-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-155-209-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@151.73.132.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [n=sjoerd@simons.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] pitti, i thought about that we should probably see how we avoid the xserver probing completely, the flashing screen might trick users into thinking the new driver is in effect immediately ... [11:28] ogra: I just fixed it to not automatically probe screen resolutions [11:28] that might help? [11:29] hopefully ... what exactly did you do ? i could need it for ltsp as well [11:30] ogra: I remember xserver-xorg/autodetect_{monitor,mouse}, set it to false, reconfigure, and restore the previous values [11:30] ah === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=tomb@host81-156-202-100.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-057-255-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] heno: current images should have that kernel modules problem fixed === termitor [n=proutage@sab57-1-82-231-109-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] cjwatson: ok, cool. I'll ask people to confirm it during testing [11:58] hello, quelqu'un parle un peut francais , c pour un probleme de depots , enfin de cron [11:59] so , ubuntu use a cron for make the maj list of packages , and my depot is explose under this mass ask [12:00] it's possible to set a varaible time for the cron of depot ? is most beter for everybody , i'm thinl [12:00] thinl [12:00] thinl [12:00] sorry , think (arf) [12:01] s/depot/repository [12:03] Hi all, it seems that the hpijs-ppds package is missing in Feisty. Otherwise the automatic installation of e.g. HP Photosmart printers doesn't work out of the box HPLIP Toolbox. [12:03] This bug was confirmed through one of the hplip devs but it seems that it hasn't been fixed until now. === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] hpijs-ppds | 2.7.1+1.7.1-1ubuntu2 | feisty | all [12:11] seems to be in feisty all right. [12:12] Mithrandir: The package works fine but doesn't seems to be installed by default or is it only a kubuntu problem? [12:13] I have found a bugreport which points to kubuntu. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/84936 How could I check which packages are installed in Ubuntu by default? [12:13] Malone bug 84936 in kubuntu-meta "hpijs-ppds package does not automatically install in Kubuntu feisty herd 3 install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] Mithrandir, can you nuke a upload i just made to the NEW queue please ? ( emerald ) [12:15] imbrandon: sure [12:15] thanks [12:15] done [12:15] you rock [12:16] is it your archive day btw ? [12:16] Enola_Gay: hpijs-ppds was removed from the ubuntu seed at the request of till [12:16] imbrandon: technically, yes, but I'm in RM mode atm. If you just have minor stuff, I can do it, but I'd prefer to concentrate on getting beta ready. [12:17] Mithrandir, right on , ok [12:17] Mithrandir: what's up with the i386 images? [12:17] moins Riddell [12:17] Riddell: probably d-i blowup [12:17] sounds dramatic [12:18] as in, mismatch between d-i kernel and what's in the archive [12:18] or actually, what do you mean what's up with them? The alternate ones look fine size-wise at least? [12:18] Enola_Gay: so there's probably a good reason for it, need to ask when he next turns up [12:19] Mithrandir: alternative ones are there now yes, no live ones still [12:20] Riddell: Ask whom? [12:20] Enola_Gay: till [12:20] oh, true, that's just the soyuz failure where it falls over trying to unpack the i386 tar.gz. We have a fix for it, but I didn't want soyuz to change just before beta so it requires handholding until we have the fix in production. [12:20] Ok. [12:22] Mithrandir: how do I get i386 images then? I have to ask you? [12:22] Riddell: I already rebuilt yours [12:22] look again [12:22] Riddell: no, I believe Colin is working on it, and you want to wait a little bit still so you get the latest round of fixes. === effraie [n=effraie@jem75-1-82-228-146-152.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:23] oh, ok, not the live ones [12:23] Ok, thanks, cu. [12:23] I'll do those now [12:33] Mithrandir: I'd like to upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/partman-partitioning.resize2fs.diff and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/partman-auto.resize2fs.diff; they work for me in simple tests [12:34] where is the file as the time of packages update listing ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] termitor: it's run from /etc/cron.daily/apt, so it's run with the rest of cron.daily out of /etc/crontab [12:36] cjwatson: makes sense, please upload === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] the only downside is that I think it makes the progress bar situation even worse [12:38] but trying to fish progress information out of resize2fs, while theoretically possible, would be a lot of rather delicate code, so I'd rather not [12:38] cjwatson: 6h25 the time is the same for all , it's a problem no ? [12:38] cjwatson: at least not at this point; agreed. We can always add a machine-readable output mode to resize2fs later. [12:39] termitor: sorry, too busy to discuss it now beyond providing a pointer to the information. I would suggest that you should improve your server if it's having problems === EtienneG [n=etienne@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] cjwatson: it /is/ a valid point - i mentioned it to mvo in MV [12:40] we can't easily make the time variable without changing quite a lot of stuff, as right now /etc/crontab is simply a standard conffile shipped in the cron package. You can change it on your machines and it won't be reverted on upgrade [12:41] thom: sure, I didn't say "point invalid", I just don't have time right now ... [12:41] but yes, we didn't come up with a reasonable fix [12:41] and anyway indeed it's mvo's territory :) === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] portsnap on freebsd writes a random time out the first time it's run and always uses that, iirc [12:43] I don't think it makes sense to make cron.daily have a variable time, so /etc/cron.daily/apt would need to be moved out of cron.daily [12:43] (cron.daily should run at $obnoxious_local_time_when_you_are_probably_asleep [12:43]