[08:12] <Phlosten> allo all
[08:15] <poningru> hello
[10:45] <jenda> aloha :)
[10:45] <jenda> so... /me tries to get himself organised
[10:45] <jenda> first of all - how much time do you have to spare? ):
[10:45] <jenda> *:)
[10:46] <meatballhat> I've got a whole 45 mins  :P
[10:46] <jenda> great ;)
[10:46] <meatballhat> not a ton .... but .....
[10:46] <jenda> Second... how far is the site from technical completeness?
[10:47] <meatballhat> I'd say it's 80% there code-wise
[10:47] <meatballhat> I need to follow up code with CSS
[10:47] <jenda> OK, and I need to get content ready.
[10:47] <jenda> Correct? :)
[10:47] <meatballhat> so we're probably looking at 9 more hours of work
[10:47] <meatballhat> yup  :D
[10:47] <jenda> ugh
[10:47] <jenda> :)
[10:48] <jenda> (feels good to be back at work!!!)
[10:48] <meatballhat> same here  .... phew ....
[10:48] <jenda> What's blocking progress on the code side of the project?
[10:49] <meatballhat> Martin's workload  :(
[10:49] <jenda> ok
[10:49] <jenda> And before he does that, we can't move on?
[10:50] <jenda> So...
[10:50] <meatballhat> not necessarily ... I'll gladly join you in aggregating/organizing
[10:50] <jenda> You kidnap his dog and I demand ransom?
[10:50] <jenda> ok
[10:50] <jenda> :)
[10:50] <meatballhat> ha!
[10:50] <jenda> ok, great :)
[10:50] <jenda> "Document current DIY Material projects on the site..."
[10:50] <meatballhat> plus there are some LoCo Team members I can likely recruit for collection of (you name it)
[10:51] <jenda> Shouldn't be too difficult - there are the things I have, juliux' shirts, and the rest we can add as it appears (there's Nik Butler and his shirts...)
[10:51] <jenda> that'd be marvelous!
[10:52] <jenda> meatballhat: where will the part where we convince the visitor they should create and sell swag be?
[10:52] <meatballhat> yes indeed ... and many of them are fairly active on the Forum ... perhaps a new post as a call to arms is in order?
[10:53] <jenda> that would be awesome ;)
[10:53] <meatballhat> the sales pitch, eh?  ...hm.....
[10:54] <meatballhat> I think that it's appropriate to have a bit more text on the cover page
[10:54] <meatballhat> plus *everyone* wants the old "quad" layout back
[10:54] <jenda> Besides that, there's gathering/sorting the stuff we now have in the repo and linking to all the stuff on the DIYMarketing wikipage...
[10:54] <jenda> hehe
[10:54] <jenda> actually, I liked the quad too :)
[10:55] <jenda> ok, more text on the cover page, /me notes
[10:55] <meatballhat> yup  :)   quad it is
[10:55] <jenda> ROFL!!!
[10:55] <jenda> I said, I'd not...
[10:55] <jenda> *note
[10:55] <jenda> I took paper and a pen...
[10:56] <meatballhat> I'll fiddle with the layout and throw some "lorem ipsum" text in for a preview  ;-)
[10:56] <jenda> and a made the the = teh typo!!!
[10:56] <meatballhat> ha!!!  taht's so funy!!
[10:57] <meatballhat> egad
[10:57] <jenda> hehe
[10:59] <jenda> hehe
[10:59] <jenda> about the text on the coverpage...
[10:59] <jenda> where?
[10:59] <jenda> beneath the quad?
[10:59] <jenda> Starting with 'what is DIY' or something?
[11:00] <meatballhat> that's what I want to fiddle with .... yeah, that's what I'm thinkin .... and the quad can definitely be smaller
[11:00] <meatballhat> look at the size of the icons on ubuntu.com these days ...
[11:01] <jenda> hehe
[11:01] <jenda> yep
[11:01] <meatballhat> I'm folding on the CSS-based tooltips, too ... it's waaaay too heavy on the CPU
[11:01] <meatballhat> javascript it is
[11:02] <jenda> ok
[11:02] <meatballhat> sigh
[11:02] <jenda> ok, I'll work on the cover text first thing...
[11:03] <meatballhat> wonderful ... that's where I'll devote my energy, too
[11:03] <jenda> second thing, I'll scrounge up what I can about the shippables, and then work a bit on teh downloadables
[11:03] <meatballhat> we still collecting all info on the wiki?
[11:04] <jenda> it's a good place for it, I think :)
[11:04] <meatballhat> me too
[11:09] <jenda> hmm? :)
[11:09] <jenda> So far, I'm revolving around something like...
[11:09] <meatballhat> shoot
[11:13] <jenda> "Welcome to Ubuntu's one stop DIY marketing hub! We aim to offer you and your LoCo Team everything you need to get out there and spread. In the downloads section, you should find all the printable and digital marketing material the community has to offer..."
[11:13] <jenda> alrighty ;)
[11:16] <meatballhat> back now  ;-)
[11:17] <meatballhat> I'm on board with ye .... but perhaps ,"...to get out there and spread the word about your favorite Linux distribution."  ....?
[11:18] <meatballhat> "get out there and spread." has a suggestive twinge to it .... or I just have a dirty mind
[11:18] <meatballhat> :P
[11:18] <jenda> bah, I had to go troll hunting for a few secs, sorry
[11:18] <jenda> hahah
[11:18] <jenda> :)
[11:18] <meatballhat> success?   heads on pikes?
[11:18] <jenda> nope
[11:19] <jenda> success - laid it off on someone else ;)
[11:19] <meatballhat> ha!!  .... like a true son of a diplomat ..
[11:19] <jenda> hahahaha :)
[11:20] <jenda> Any particular ideas what the front page text should be saying besides a general welcome and description of the content?
[11:20] <jenda> ...and invitation to join the effort ;)
[11:20] <meatballhat> what are your thoughts on subtly emulating the new Ubuntu.com feel?
[11:20] <jenda> it would be great
[11:20] <jenda> if it could be done ;)
[11:21] <meatballhat> sure ... it can be done ... is it wanted?
[11:21] <meatballhat> ;-)
[11:21] <jenda> I think so :)
[11:21] <meatballhat> will do
[11:21] <jenda> But withotu giving up the DIY look and feel we have :)
[11:22] <jenda> oh, about that - I'd like one change in the counter thing at the top
[11:22] <jenda> :)
[11:22] <meatballhat> I'm thinkin.... almost all the ubuntu.com looks, but keep the stripey background, banner, counter, sidebar ...  :P
[11:22] <meatballhat> shoot!  :)
[11:22] <jenda> I'd like the number itself to appear to be on a seperate small rectangle of taped 'paper' :)
[11:22] <meatballhat> can do
[11:22] <meatballhat> noted
[11:23] <jenda> O)
[11:23] <jenda> oops
[11:23] <jenda> looks like Leila from futurama, that smiley...
[11:23] <meatballhat> oh no!! you're a blind clown!
[11:23] <meatballhat> heehee
[11:26] <jenda> 11:22 < meatballhat> I'm thinkin.... almost all the ubuntu.com looks, but keep the stripey background, banner, counter, sidebar ... 
[11:26] <jenda> what does that leave of the ubuntu.com looks?
[11:26] <jenda> :-D
[11:26] <jenda> bah - I trust your decisions in this matter ;)
[11:26] <jenda> ...and if I don't like it, I'll have you redo it from scratch...
[11:26] <meatballhat> heehee ... the layout shapes ... spacing ... font ...   :)
[11:27] <meatballhat> no worries....   my Ubuntu persona lives to please jenda  ;-)
[11:27] <jenda> hahah :)
[11:27] <jenda> sweet
[11:27] <jenda> I should get more people like that ;)
[11:27] <meatballhat> my husband persona lives to please my wife, Sarah ....   it's a model that works for me ;-)
[11:27] <jenda> :)
[11:28] <meatballhat> oh yes.... of emulating ubuntu.com...
[11:28] <jenda> hey, you think we could have the site creds use a more handwritten font?
[11:28] <meatballhat> the relative scaling of the page width vs. fixed ... your opinion?
[11:29] <meatballhat> done  ;-)
[11:29] <jenda> hmm
[11:29] <jenda> Not sure.
[11:29] <jenda> In fact, clueless would be a better word ;)
[11:30] <meatballhat> I feel bad about having the site creds so prominently displayed, to be honest ...
[11:31] <jenda> whoa, history breathes at me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping
[11:31] <jenda> hide them, then :)
[11:31] <jenda> I don't need them there.
[11:31] <meatballhat> well lookie there .... mr. spec-maker  ;-)
[11:32] <meatballhat> creds hidden ... or shrunk ... whatever ... 
[11:32] <jenda> "diy marketing is the working version of a much broader marketing project, described here."
[11:32] <jenda> capitalise that DIY ;)
[11:32] <meatballhat> done
[11:32] <jenda> okeydoke
[11:33] <meatballhat> what 'bout the diy in the banner ... as the Ubuntu Title font is lowercase-only
[11:33] <meatballhat> S
[11:33] <meatballhat> ?
[11:33] <meatballhat> oops
[11:33] <jenda> Any particular ideas what the front page text should be saying besides a general welcome and description of the content?
[11:33] <jenda> the banner is OK
[11:33] <jenda> what I meant was at the bottom of the page
[11:34] <meatballhat> briefs on each section ... that call to arms for the Spread It section you mentioned...
[11:34] <jenda> yeap, ok :)
[11:34] <meatballhat> folks will probably want a *little* more info about each section before diving into the site
[11:34] <jenda> yes
[11:35] <jenda> OK... about the 'get' section
[11:35] <jenda> we'll have items there - six to start with...
[11:35] <meatballhat> yesh .... gooooood
[11:35] <jenda> 3 types of stickers, 2 types of shirts and 1 type of posters
[11:37] <meatballhat> those posters, btw ... I'll be giving them away with the first 10 requests for uber-packaged Ubuntu 6.06 CDs for libraries  ;-)
[11:38] <jenda> sweet!
[11:38] <jenda> BTW, I just realised today I'm selling them with a loss :-D
[11:39] <meatballhat> ack!!!
[11:39] <meatballhat> the market done you wrong!
[11:39] <jenda> because I haven't changed the price, but the reprint posters cost more and the post office prices went up too :)
[11:39] <jenda> but just a teeny bit
[11:39] <jenda> well, the prices changed considerably, but the loss is just a teeny bit ;)
[11:40] <jenda> So I'll just keep it at that till the next batch
[11:42] <jenda> anyway...
[11:42] <jenda> meatballhat: what do I need to get ready for those six items so thta the next step is just entering the data into the database?
[11:43] <meatballhat> hrm ....   just a sec ... sorry  :(
[11:43] <jenda> ah, still alive )
[11:43] <jenda> :)
[11:43] <meatballhat> wife is up now   :)
[11:43] <jenda> say hello :)
[11:44] <meatballhat> I'll do that ;)
[11:44] <jenda> BTW, I considered not going to Sevilla... to increase my chances of getting sponsorship to Boston ;)
[11:44] <meatballhat> ah!  awesome!  (the Boston part)
[11:44] <jenda> "Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience!
[11:44] <meatballhat> which UDS is that?  :P
[11:44] <jenda> "
[11:44] <jenda> the one after next
[11:45] <jenda> in 7 months or so
[11:45] <meatballhat> excellent
[11:45] <jenda> That thing I just pasted is pretty much what the DIY site is all about, BTW ;)
[11:45] <jenda> (IMO)
[11:46] <meatballhat> same here, darnit!  it's what I'm always preaching to my LoCo Team
[11:46] <jenda> so... answer to my previous query? :)
[11:46] <jenda> (good, good! ;))
[11:46] <meatballhat> oi .... for the shippables
[11:46] <jenda> yes
[11:46] <jenda> and I assume it would be similar for the downloadables in the next step...
[11:46] <meatballhat> the boring stuff first ...
[11:47] <jenda> :)
[11:47] <meatballhat> Title, Description, Author, License...
[11:47] <meatballhat> then the sexy stuff...
[11:47] <jenda> shippables have a licence? ;)
[11:47] <meatballhat> ix-nay on the icense-lay
[11:47] <jenda> hehehe
[11:47] <meatballhat> Pics and How to Get
[11:48] <jenda> Pricing...
[11:48] <meatballhat> links to PayPal
[11:48] <jenda> hehe
[11:48] <jenda> Author, Shipper ;)
[11:48] <meatballhat> tagged printable or not?
[11:49] <jenda> mhm
[11:49] <jenda> -> link to corresponding printable page if yes
[11:49] <meatballhat> precisely
[11:50] <jenda> How about splitting pix into Preview and Pictures, where preview is the one picture that is displayed when viewing the entire list?
[11:50] <meatballhat> that's doable, sure ...
[11:50] <jenda> ad pictures what's displayed when you click the particular item, or perhaps 'more pics'
[11:51] <jenda> and is it reasonable?
[11:52] <meatballhat> right on ... yup .... like this?  http://orangoo.com/labs/GreyBox/
[11:55] <meatballhat> EEK!  lookie what I just stumbled across!  http://ossgear.org/
[11:56] <jenda> hmm
[11:56] <jenda> that's cafepress material
[11:56] <meatballhat> yup
[11:57] <meatballhat> they're buddies with Amir of the Skeletonz project
[11:59] <meatballhat> zoiks, I'm 25 minutes over the line!  I gots to run  :(
[12:01] <jenda> ok
[12:01] <jenda> talk to you later! :)
[12:01] <jenda> thanks for your time
[12:03] <meatballhat> jenda: why, thank *you*  ;-)    I'll be on IRC later when I'm at work, too ....
[12:43] <jenda> Marketeers!
[12:43] <jenda> :)
[12:44] <jenda> full of all the info on shippables I have, pretty much.
[01:10] <MenZa> jenda: you can have the source files, if you so wish
[01:10] <jenda> MenZa: ah :)
[01:10] <MenZa> I'll zip and e-mail
[01:10] <MenZa> yournick@ubunu.com?
[01:11] <MenZa> er
[01:11] <MenZa> ubuntu
[01:11] <jenda> MenZa: well, they _should_ be on the diy.devubuntu.com/repo
[01:11] <jenda> yes please :)
[01:13] <MenZa> rar installed, jenda?
[01:14] <MenZa> Sent, jenda
[01:14] <jenda> yep, installed, thx
[01:15] <MenZa> good
[01:19] <beuno> jenda: pong  :D
[01:20] <jenda> beuno!
[01:20] <jenda> :)
[01:20] <jenda> hehe
[01:20] <beuno> was this meeting scheduled?
[01:20] <jenda> no
[01:21] <jenda> it was a random 'got time?' 'yeah' 'shall we' 'why not'
[01:21] <beuno> aah, ok ok, because 6am isn't a time I'm up normally  :D
[01:21] <jenda> hehehe :)
[01:21] <jenda> it's the time when Dan's most available, though :)
[01:22] <beuno> I see
[01:23] <beuno> well, considering I'm blocking the progress of DIY so much, I'll move it up on my priority list
[01:24] <jenda> whee :)
[01:24] <jenda> that'd be awesome
[01:24] <jenda> beuno: however, we aren't completely stalled, I'm working on it right now
[01:25] <jenda> meatballhat! :)
[01:25] <jenda> MenZa: what's the licence on your stuff?
[01:26] <jenda> MenZa: can it be GPL?
[01:26] <meatballhat> jenda: here I be  :)
[01:26] <MenZa> jenda: sure
[01:27] <MenZa> wait
[01:27] <MenZa> I might go for LGPL
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> jenda: may I suggest screenshots
[01:27] <beuno> jenda: I'll get on it
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> for the shipping suction
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> section*
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, class..
[01:28] <MenZa> jenda: yep, LGPL
[01:30] <jenda> MenZa: ok
[01:30] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: screenshots?
[01:30] <MenZa> photos.
[01:30] <jenda> meatballhat: beuno's on it ;)
[01:30] <meatballhat> jenda: very awesome ;-)
[01:31] <jenda> Yes, I'll hunt for pix from anyone who has them
[01:31] <beuno> meatballhat: hey there
[01:31] <meatballhat> jenda: although I'll be "off it" until tomorrow morn :(  ... but I can take notes while at work
[01:31] <meatballhat> beuno: howdy!
[01:31] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: however, that page itself isn't for the masses, rather for those who might think of doing something themselves
[01:32] <jenda> Admiral_Chicago: the one for those interested to buy I'm making right now...
[01:32] <beuno> once I finish the admin, you, jend and me have to agree on hot to handle the whole bzr mirroring thingie
[01:33] <meatballhat> beuno: agreed
[01:34] <beuno> I'm in love with bzr, we're using it heavily at work
[01:38] <jenda> ok
[01:39] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, see jabber
[01:40] <jenda> elkbuntu: how come I don't have you in jabber? :)
[01:40] <jenda> oh, because I'm always on IRC.
[01:40] <jenda> OK.
[01:40] <jenda> :)
[01:40] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:40] <elkbuntu> this nick @jabber.com/.au
[01:40] <jenda> elkbuntu: jendavancura at gmail.com
[01:40] <jenda> kk
[01:42] <jenda> meatballhat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Get
[01:42] <jenda> beuno: ^
[01:44] <beuno> jenda, great, very nice guideline
[01:45] <beuno> gonno get a quick shower before going to work, brb
[01:45] <jenda> now... I wonder if I can still use bzr :)
[01:45] <meatballhat> jenda: lookin'
[01:45] <jenda> kk
[01:45] <jenda> I'll have to bug juliux to update his part there.
[01:48] <meatballhat> jenda: very niiiiice  </borat>
[01:48] <meatballhat> I likey
[01:48] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, http://meldra.no-ip.info/jabberbabble.png
[01:48] <elkbuntu> so freaky
[01:49] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: waaaaaay freaky  :(    ..../me hopes it's just a Gmail bug
[01:49] <elkbuntu> yeah
[01:49] <elkbuntu> since we've been talking, i've had another subscribe request too
[01:49] <jenda> meatballhat: hehe
[01:50] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: from me???
[01:50] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, but... was it you doing the requests to me this morning?
[01:50] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, no, the nuno chap
[01:50] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: I didn't make *any* requests *ever*   (!!!!)
[01:50] <meatballhat> ack!
[01:51] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, serious? i've had a request from you for a while that i'd never approved because at the time i didnt know who you were
[01:51] <elkbuntu> but that was a singular, and hit the same day as a another
[01:51] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: really....   er ... rather, I *did* request of you some months ago
[01:52] <elkbuntu> ok... the same day i got a request from pierre slammich or risto kurrpa... know either name?
[01:52] <elkbuntu> all these phantoms are @gmails too :-/
[01:53] <jenda> never heard of either.
[01:53] <elkbuntu> this is crazy weird :-/
[01:53] <jenda> meatballhat: now I'm thinking we should have a similar page to what I just did for the Shippables for the downloadables, correct?
[01:53] <jenda> meatballhat: except, that's a crazy amount of work to do :)
[01:54] <meatballhat> jenda: it is .... and redundant at that ... hmmmmm
[01:54] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: I'm abandoning the Gmail chat thingy for now ... see if that's the cause
[01:55] <elkbuntu> meatballhat, are you currently as freaked out as i am?
[01:55] <spenlex> morning all
[01:55] <meatballhat> elkbuntu: indeed methinks
[01:56] <jenda> meatballhat: perhpas, with that, wait till we have a framework to put the entries into directly?
[01:57] <elkbuntu> but nobody is stalking you!
[01:58] <MenZa> elkbuntu: Aren't I still allowed to hiss at random passers-by?
[01:58] <MenZa> x:(
[01:58] <MenZa> -x
[01:59] <elkbuntu> find a reason to be paranoid, then you can join us
[01:59] <meatballhat> jenda: yes yes ... that be a good idea .. but I *do* really like your wiki page approach for /Get
[02:00] <jenda> 
[02:00] <jenda> a table might be better...
[02:01] <jenda> but the descriptions wouln't fit, I guess.
[02:01] <meatballhat> jenda: meh ... stick with tableless for now ;-)
[02:02] <jenda> ok :)
[02:02] <jenda> so... /me checks what's next
[02:02] <jenda> the frontpage text
[02:03] <jenda> meatballhat: it'll be here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/FrontPage
[02:03] <jenda> (my suggestion will, that is)
[02:03] <jenda> And I'll keep putting all other content submissions into pages like that.
[02:04] <meatballhat> jenda: excellent .... thanks for attacking this stuff so... how you say ... ferociously?
[02:04] <jenda> hehe
[02:04] <jenda> don't I always ;)
[02:04] <meatballhat> it's the Czech way, I'm sure  ;-)
[02:05] <elkbuntu> jenda is the resident midget marketing machine
[02:10] <jenda> hahaha
[02:11] <jenda> hmm
[02:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:11] <jenda> elkbuntu: forgiven.
[02:11] <jenda> elkbuntu: considering I'm only 167 cm tall... ;)
[02:11] <jenda> :)
[02:11] <elkbuntu> you're still taller than me, dear
[02:11] <elkbuntu> by 12cm
[02:13] <jenda> hehe :)
[02:13] <jenda> "resident midget marketing machine"
[02:14] <jenda> jenda@resident.midget.marketing.machine/ubuntu.member.jenda
[02:14] <jenda> I likey, elkbuntu ;)
[02:14] <elkbuntu> rofl
[02:15] <elkbuntu> dare ya to do it, lol
[02:16] <jenda> hehe
[02:19] <beuno> which means I'll be offline like...  15 minutes
[02:21] <jenda> hehe
[02:23] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/FrontPage
[02:23] <jenda> Please review
[02:27] <jenda> :)
[02:28] <meatballhat> jenda: you are one *funny* li'l resident marketing midget  :P
[02:28] <meatballhat> I love it
[02:28] <meatballhat> appropriately irreverent ... my kinda writing
[02:29] <jenda> hehe
[02:29] <jenda> thanks
[02:43] <jenda> And more... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite/Get
[02:47] <jenda> slightly updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/DIYWebsite
[02:47] <jenda> and that's about it for tady.
[02:47] <jenda> *today
[02:55] <meatballhat> jenda: :)   awesome!!!!!
[02:56] <meatballhat> jenda: is it safe to say that we're shooting for release alongside 7.04  ?  
[02:56] <meatballhat> ;-)
[03:07] <jenda> meatballhat: it should be! ;)
[03:07] <jenda> beuno: < meatballhat> jenda: is it safe to say that we're shooting for release alongside 7.04  ?
[03:07] <beuno> jenda: I think so, yes
[03:08] <jenda> 
[03:17] <meatballhat> jenda: most excellent ... /me likey milestones
[03:19] <jenda> which does mean I'll be back online in about 30 minutes :)
[03:19] <jenda> if I can catch the appropriate WiFi signal that is.
[03:21] <beuno> heh  :D
[04:18] <MenZa> (random input, nevermind me)
[04:20] <MenZa> :o
[04:46] <adamant1988> beuno, anyone, have you guys taken the time to check the job board spec out in the mailing list?
[05:56] <beuno> adamant1988: not really, and I think I'm probably not the person you're looking for
[06:28] <adamant1988> beuno: any feed back would be nice :)
[10:05] <adamant1988> mrevell: Hello!
[10:06] <adamant1988> long time ;)
[10:06] <adamant1988> I've completed the spec and it's on the mailing list for discussion...
[10:06] <mrevell> adamant1988: Wonderful! Sorry I've not given feedback yet. I've been working towards a deadline
[10:59] <matthewrevell> hi jenda
[10:59] <jenda> Don't you just hate those random beeps with no real meaning? ;)