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ryanakcawhat include line do I add for cdbs + cmake in debian/rules? I'm looking at decibel's cmake.mk... dunno if there are any other's I should look at...12:46
Riddellkde4libs, should be the same12:57
Riddellcopy, paste12:57
ajmitchjust a couple of lines in debian/rules to worry about12:57
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ryanakcaRiddell: kk01:00
ryanakcathanks :)01:00
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Tonio_Riddell: I just saw that the ark mimetypes issue was my fault..... sorry for this :)01:50
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nixternalI thought that as long as a package included the .pot files LP/Rosetta would automatically import them for translations02:09
nixternalwell, LP/Rosetta is still showing old templates for the kubuntu-docs package02:09
Riddellit should, although I'm not sure how complete the feisty .pot import process is02:10
RiddellI can poke carlos tomorrow if you like02:10
nixternalRiddell: yes please, it is kind of unnerving02:11
nixternalit seems the ubuntu-docs have already imported, but the kubuntu docs haven't02:11
nixternalI am in Washingto DC until Wednesday, so I will be checking in when possible :)02:11
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Riddellhi freeflying02:33
Riddellfreeflying: I installed Kubuntu in chinese today.  it ends up using scim and not skim, and the problem of missing chinese characters seems to go away02:33
freeflyingRiddell: becasue scim provide conffine for im-switch.02:35
freeflyingRiddell: and now the Latin character here is too ugly02:36
Riddellyes, the font is quite nasty for latin02:36
Riddellwhat is conffine?02:36
freeflyingRiddell: configure file for im-switch to set up scim02:37
Riddellfreeflying: mm, that should be in libscim then, not scim02:39
freeflyingRiddell: we used to use scim-pinyin to set up scim, but the maintainer of scim provide a im-switch's configure file, and its priority is high then scim-pinyins02:40
freeflyingbut he hasn't consider of skim, because he dosen't use skim02:40
Riddellhumph02:40
Riddellhow do I get it to use skim then?02:40
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freeflyingRiddell: drop the configure file from scim, or merge scim-pinyin's to scim, or low the priority of scim's02:41
Riddellhmm, all feisty+1 work now02:42
Riddellfreeflying: do you know what the font used for chinese characters is for chinese locale and english locale?02:42
freeflyingRiddell: ttf-arphic-uming for Chiense, and Bitstream , Dejavu for Latin02:43
Riddellfreeflying: under english settings chinese web pages etc have missing characters, but under chinese settings they don't02:44
RiddellI don't see how that can happen unless they're using different fonts02:44
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/chinese-qt-3.3.8.png  missing02:45
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/chinese-qt-3.3.8-2.png   no missing02:45
freeflyingRiddell: but using qt-3.3.7, we can have Chinese characters displayed well under English locale02:45
freeflyingRiddell: I used to use en_US.UTF-8 locale on my laptop02:47
Riddellsure, Irt02:48
Riddellhmm, scim can get in the way :)02:48
Riddellsure, I still plan to revert02:48
Riddellbut it would be helpful to know what the difference is to track down why one works and the other doesn't02:49
freeflyingRiddell: and skim has problems too, for the priority of im-switch's start, now its 80im-switch in /etc/X11/Xsesison.d02:49
freeflyingRiddell: seems qt-3.3.8 only know latin fonts configure if you use a latin locale  :)02:50
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rbrunhuberHave you seen this nice spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/minix-kernel-based-ubuntu03:39
ajmitchhow interesting03:52
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RadiantFirewell, there is a debian/hurd project I think. *chuckle*03:54
ajmitchsure, and that's quite a lot more useful than minix03:54
ajmitchever tried compiling kde on minix? :)03:55
RadiantFirei can't say I have03:55
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ajmitchhttp://www.h1.org/~ncryer/kde.png03:56
RadiantFireI feel liek it can't be that bad, I mean, how many system calls does KDE really need to make03:56
rbrunhuberin the book  "just for fun" linus says that he started the real development on linux after he overwrote his minix partition because he did not want to do all the patching of minix to get i in runnable shape again :-)03:57
ajmitchit's things like qt's support of pthreads, for example03:57
ajmitchand various things that are defined slightly differently or not at all03:57
ajmitchask bddebian :)03:57
bddebianhmm :-)03:59
JucatoHURD is already usable? O.o04:01
rbrunhuberi'm just running over a lot of bugs that are neither assigned nor confirmed nor solved nor "underfeed" with information and are in "needs info" status and had no love in the last 3 months. I'm really tempted to reject them. But i do not want to frustrate the original reporters though04:01
rbrunhuberit is really a difficult situation04:02
Jucatorbrunhuber: I think the wiki has some "templates" on how to politely say that you're closing a bug04:02
rbrunhuberJucato: I already know the templates. May i give you a few examples to decide with me wether to reject or keep open.04:03
Jucatosure, let me try some :)04:04
=== Jucato did his triaging last week... marked a few as needs info...
rbrunhuberSo the fun begins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/5086304:05
UbugtuMalone bug 50863 in ubiquity "Crash installing onto memory stick" [Undecided,Needs info] 04:05
rbrunhuberand the next one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/4887304:06
UbugtuMalone bug 48873 in ubiquity "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Needs info] 04:06
Jucatorbrunhuber: the first one doesn't have a comment asking for updated info. might be good to ask for more info first. imho04:07
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rbrunhuberJucato: Yes maybe. But in the worst case this adds another 3 months of sitting around for nothing.04:09
Jucatowell at least if he doesn't add any info in a month, we could close the bug and point that we asked for updated info :)04:10
Jucatorbrunhuber: as for the second bug, not sure but seems like cjwatson has some more info that he hasn't added to the bug (judging by the last comment)04:11
rbrunhuberJucato: Can't we just do both in one run? Reject it and ask in the reject message for more information. This kicks the unneeded bugs out and the others get reopened?04:12
rbrunhuberJucato: I agree with you that we should leave the second alone.04:13
Jucatohm.. imho.. it looks like we're too anxious to close bugs...04:13
Jucatomaybe the guys in #ubuntu-bugs could give better advise..04:14
Jucatorbrunhuber: the second one should probably be "pinged" to cjwatson though...04:14
Jucatoa short comment to bump it (but cjwatson isn't subscribed...)04:14
rbrunhuberJucato: what do you mean? Assign or subscribe him?04:15
Jucatoping him in irc? I don't really know the procedure for this... assigning the bug or subscribing him w/o his knowledge might seem rude... but not really sure...04:16
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rbrunhuberJucato: Colin will get notified because he is owner of the ubuntu installer team04:18
Jucatoah kool04:18
rbrunhuberJucato: No is the question what to write in the comment?04:19
Jucatoer... brb really04:19
Jucatosorry04:19
nixternaloi!04:19
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_StefanS_hi there10:47
rbrunhuberHi _StefanS_10:47
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: hey bluetooth guy10:48
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: :)10:48
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Someone has to pick this up!10:49
_StefanS_Riddell: are you there ?10:49
_StefanS_Riddell: I have a question regarding the packaging of kbluetooth10:50
rbrunhuber_StefanS_: Starts getting interesting :-)10:50
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: lets hope he's there :)10:51
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Did you have a further look in the issue?10:56
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: nothing besides it doesnt work for me either10:56
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: I cant remember; did you file a bug on it ?10:56
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: in launchpad10:57
rbrunhuberyes I filed bug 8929110:57
UbugtuMalone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8929110:57
_StefanS_ok fine10:57
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Hobbseeryanakca: hwo'd you go with ksudoku?12:02
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Hobbseeah yes, i remember why i was going to take care fo ksudoku12:05
=== Hobbsee suspects that should probably wait for the next release
=== Jucato wonders why Filelight 1.0 didn't make it into feisty...
Tonio_hi12:07
Hobbseeheya Tonio_!12:07
Jucatohi Tonio_!!!!12:07
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HobbseeJucato: because no one attended to it, and debian never packaged the latest version.12:07
Hobbseehence it didnt sync12:08
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Jucatooh...12:08
Jucatothat's... um... curious...12:08
ajmitchHobbsee: ryanakca was looking at ksudoku I think12:08
ryanakcaHobbsee: I dropped it because I had to study for my science test this morning, but I'll work on it again tonight12:08
Jucatoconsidering 1.0 fixes the annoying "crash on exit" bug12:08
Hobbseeryanakca: once debian packages the new version, its' a direct sync.12:09
ryanakcaah12:09
ryanakcaso, no need to package it?12:09
ryanakcaor package it and ship it to the debian maintainer?12:10
Hobbseeryanakca: not if we wait till feisty+112:10
Hobbseei'd prefer to see some work being done on basket, actuallly12:10
ryanakcaah, this is for the sourceforge/kdeapps website...12:10
=== Hobbsee still needs to file a uvfe for that, make packages, etc.
ryanakcawhich will also end up on revu for feisty+112:10
Hobbseeryanakca: it shouldnt, if people are following procedure.12:11
ryanakcawhat shouldn't?12:11
ryanakcaksudoku on revu?12:12
Hobbseeryanakca: ie, no one should be putting it on REVU for feisty+1, because it's a merge, it'll be on merges.ubuntu.com and my name will be on it, as i'm the last uploader12:12
ryanakcaah12:12
Hobbseeand if people are following procedure, they will not touch other people's merges without asking.12:12
=== Hobbsee happens to know that that's a direct sync.
=== ryanakca curses the 5 spam emails that gmail let threw
ryanakcakk12:13
=== Hobbsee is also the only person that's touched that package in ubuntu
Hobbseeheh.  yes,12:13
Hobbseegmail's getting worse for spam12:13
ryanakcawell, do we tell the get the package for sourceforge/kdeapps? or do we just wait for some debian guy to do it?12:13
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ryanakcaMuch worse...12:14
Hobbseeryanakca: the suggested method would be to file a wishlist bug to say that there's a new version12:15
ryanakca*nods*12:15
ryanakcaAnd then... the guy gets his package by... ?12:16
Hobbseeajmitch: how do i report a bug to debian, with reportbug?12:16
Hobbseeryanakca: which guy?12:16
ryanakcaHobbsee: the upstream author, *points to the message in the k-d mailing list*12:16
Hobbseeah, right.12:16
=== Hobbsee saw that a few days ago - didnt really remember what it was about
=== Hobbsee looks
ajmitchHobbsee: yes, reportbug, it should have a debian setting or something :)12:17
Hobbseeajmitch: it defaults to ubuntu, iirc.12:18
ajmitchyep12:18
ajmitchthere's a -B option to tell it which bts to go to12:18
ajmitchI can't remember the setting it needs though12:18
Hobbseeah, yes, i see12:18
ryanakcaHobbsee: here, how's this, I package it for upstream, send a copy of the package sources to the debian maintainer... he can take them if he wants, or ditch them if he doesn't want them and take care of it himself, and then you can sync it in +112:19
Hobbseeryanakca: you can if you like.  i'm filing that bug now.  i honestly think there are more important things for kubuntu before feisty's release, but i cant tell you what to do.12:20
ryanakcakk, well, what can I do?12:21
Hobbseeryanakca: there's a new release of basket.  if you could package that, that'd be great12:22
Hobbseeokay, bug report sent12:22
ryanakcaokies, will look at that12:23
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Hobbsee(which we can send straight to debian)12:23
Hobbseeryanakca: also, you use kdepim, right?12:23
ryanakcayep12:23
=== Hobbsee needs to fix some bugs in that, including the dreaded evil one...
=== ryanakca has to go to school...
Hobbseejust waiting a bit to see if it really fixes the problem12:24
Hobbseeokay, bye!12:24
ryanakcaah, umm... I'll probably be back in 2 hours and a half... see you then?12:24
Hobbseemaybe.  i'll likely be asleep by then :)12:24
ryanakcalol12:25
ryanakcanight night then :)12:25
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rbrunhuberHobbsee: The last person who spoke this often in the third person from himself took a bad end. First he got ruler of rome then he was stabbed by his lad.12:27
rbrunhuberHobbsee: :-)12:28
Hobbseerbrunhuber: hmm?12:28
rbrunhuberHobbsee: Just a joke. But the on the first glance the channel seemed to by those / me posts from you.12:30
Hobbseeahhh.12:31
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rbrunhuberHobbsee: Oops you did it again :-P12:31
Hobbseei know12:31
ajmitchHobbsee: you, weird?12:32
Hobbseeajmitch: yes.12:33
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Hobbseefabo: you around?12:35
Hobbseeprobably not....12:35
Hobbsee[22:34]  [Whois]  fabo has been idle for 15 hours, 27 minutes, and 17 seconds.12:35
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naught101who is working on the kubuntu splash artwork?12:44
Riddellnaught101: kwwii12:46
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Hobbseehi Riddell - any plans to change kdepim in the next few days?12:47
RiddellHobbsee: no, we're frozen for beta12:47
Riddellwhat would you like changed?12:47
HobbseeRiddell: upstream finally fixed the bug whcih stops kmail working for all imap users - people are testing it now12:48
Hobbseeso i'd prefer to put it in in a few days time, along with any other misc fixes that seem important that i find12:48
RiddellHobbsee: I might take a branch patch after beat12:48
HobbseeRiddell: branch patch?12:48
Riddellif upstream think it good12:48
naught101kwwii: have you noticed the optical illusion during the boot-up pecentage bar run? the blue bit looks narrower than the black...12:49
kwwiinaught101: yeah, I noticed that - I'll fix it soon12:52
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naught101cool. looks great otherwise12:54
kwwiithanks :-)12:54
naught101I would like to see the ability to press a key and escape the splash back to the command line bootup, like you could in windows 95/9812:54
naught101it's not really useful, but it's a cool feature12:55
kwwii;-)12:55
_StefanS_Riddell: do you have any idea on that bluetooth thing ?12:56
Tonio_Riddell: any plans for kdelibs ? I've a package here ready for upload, once the freeze ends12:56
_StefanS_hey Tonio_12:56
Tonio_fixes missing mimetypes12:56
Tonio_hi _StefanS_ :)12:56
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RiddellTonio_: nope, what's do you have?01:02
Riddell_StefanS_: can't say I do01:02
RiddellTonio_: what missing mimetypes?01:02
RiddellLure: saw the post annoucing you in MOTU, congratulations01:03
_StefanS_Riddell: well I can confirm there is a problem though, but why it wont launch that pin_helper is really wierd. I tried to modify all sorts of things in the config to avoid dbus, but I dont know enough about it to determine whether it is the problem01:03
LureRiddell: thanks - did my first upload (kpowersave) yesterday ;-)01:03
Jucato_StefanS_: hi :)01:05
_StefanS_Lure: was kpowersave going to replace the current thing (kde-guidance ?)01:05
_StefanS_Jucato:  hey01:05
_StefanS_Jucato: you still up ? :)01:05
Jucatoat 8:00pm? yeah :D01:06
Hobbsee_StefanS_: was too late for feisty.  maybe in feisty+101:06
Hobbseeiirc01:06
_StefanS_Jucato: oh yes, I usually catch you later :)01:06
Jucato_StefanS_: I didn't realize I had a "bug" for you (noted last week) :D01:06
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Jucato_StefanS_: in the logout dialog box (or is it a popup? :D), you can't use the cursor keys to navigate? bug or to be implemented?01:07
_StefanS_Hobbsee: well the current one for feisty is called kde-guidance, right ? - because mine dissappeared at some point01:07
Tonio_Riddell: we patch for nzb mimetype, very usefull in some cases, but it is not installed since Makefile.am needs patching01:07
Hobbsee_StefanS_: guidance-power-manager iiirc01:08
_StefanS_Hobbsee: thanks01:08
Tonio_not an important patch in fact, pretty little thing01:08
Lure_StefanS_: no, guidance is default for feisty, but kpowersave is there if you like it more01:09
Lure_StefanS_: guidance-power-manager, in kde-guidance-powermanager package01:09
LureRiddell: any news regarding k3b?01:10
=== Lure would really love to have it in
RiddellLure: no reply yet, it'll be after beta I guess01:10
_StefanS_Lure: got it installed now, thanks01:10
LureRiddell: no problem if after beta, just that we get it in ;-)01:10
_StefanS_Lure: dont know why I would need kpowersave ... seems like its got alot more options01:11
Lure_StefanS_: my problem with kpowersave is that it has too many options and may confuse user01:11
Lure_StefanS_: see my reasoning here: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html01:11
kwwiiRiddell, naught101: commiting a new active progress bar01:12
_StefanS_Lure: yes.. I like the simplicity guidance powermanager offers, but then i'm not much into powersaving generally, even though I only have laptops01:12
naught101kewl01:12
naught101will check out in the morning :)01:12
Jucatokwwii: oops I think I forgot to file that usplash bug I mentioned to you :(01:12
kwwiigreat :-)01:12
kwwiiJucato: which one?01:12
naught101can't believe I just spelled "cool" like that...01:12
kwwiihehe01:13
Jucatokwwii: there the bootsplash is broken if you remove the "quiet" option from menu.lst01:13
kwwiiJucato: we changed the colors of the text01:13
Jucatokwwii: um... I think the position of the text is the one that was broken... but I haven't checked again this morning when I booted the PC01:14
kwwiiJucato: or does it not work at all?01:14
kwwiiJucato: you mean the the text overlaps the progress bar on your resolution?01:14
Jucatoyes. and causes the bootsplash to have multiple progress bars01:15
kwwiinow that sounds funky01:15
_StefanS_Riddell: The effect for the background in kdesu works, however the 'kdesu' dialog itself does not respond to being set as a popup (to have it display on top of the faded backgound). The solution as I see it would be to code a new similar dialog, and use that instead of KPasswordDialog-class, which seems to have a will of its own. How you do feel about that ?01:15
kwwiiJucato: test it with the latest packages and we'll see what we can do01:15
Jucatook. I'll have to reboot to test it. I'll do so in a few minutes01:15
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Riddell_StefanS_: sounds too much for a post beta change01:16
_StefanS_Riddell: well yes, if you think about it ... it might introduce bugs. But I can't understand why KPasswordDialog won't be a popup, had some guys over at #qt look at it too, but everything compiles, but the dialog does not change its type.01:17
_StefanS_Riddell: really wierd... and I'm starting to hate those specific K* implementations of Qt basic classes01:18
Hobbseeoh dear.  this group of patches is going to be big :(01:18
_StefanS_Riddell: so I guess your opinion would be to use KPasswordDialog if I can get it working, or else wait for feisty+1 if we need to code a dialog of our own (?)01:21
marseillai_Riddell: hi! i would like to report you a problem i saw at least twice a week on ubuntu-fr forum. Many people come and say i can log into kde! i see kdm but never kde. And almost every time the problem comes from /var/cache/apt/archives/ wich is full of .deb files couldn't you add something like a apt-get autoclean for this problem ?01:22
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Jucatoafaik, apt-get clean is run daily.01:24
Tonio_Riddell: we also have to remove that scim gtk thing from the kmenu01:25
Tonio_Riddell: should we really ship with it ?01:25
_StefanS_wow Riddell must be typing alot now ..01:25
marseillai_Jucato: since feisty ?01:25
Jucatomarseillai_: since edgy or dapper, from what I've been told01:26
marseillai_Jucato: so it doesn't work for me and MANY people01:26
sebasmarseillai_: Is that a desktop specific problem?01:27
JucatoI actually don't check if it runs daily....01:27
sebasYou might want to file a bug on launchpad for that01:27
marseillai_sebas: not really but in fact yes beacause synaptic does this and not adept01:27
Jucatosebas: a lot of people have been getting into this trouble lately in #kubuntu too01:27
Jucatothey can't login because their / is full01:27
sebasSome autoclean mechanism in adept_updater might help then.01:28
marseillai_sebas: exactly01:28
sebasmarseillai_: You could start by adding this to a FAQ where it's easy to find.01:29
marseillai_sebas: done! but people reading faq often have a cron for that! ;)01:29
sebasDid you look into adept's source?01:30
marseillai_nop01:30
RiddellTonio_: where in the menu?01:30
Tonio_Riddell: configuration, there is a Scim config tool that appeared a week ago01:30
Tonio_just before beta freeze01:30
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Hobbseewhat's the library required for crypto>01:31
Hobbsee?01:31
Riddellmarseillai_: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/25adept-archive-limits should do that01:31
Tonio_Riddell: that's part of the scim package we depend on, I'll patch the desktop file01:31
RiddellTonio_: we don't depend on scim01:32
kwwiihi Tonio_01:32
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Tonio_Riddell: hum......... how did that come then ?01:32
Tonio_hey kwwii ;)01:32
Tonio_Riddell: kubuntu-desktop recommends it, so it is installed by default I guess01:32
RiddellTonio_: if you install a language that needs scim then it'll install01:32
Riddellscim-qtimm, skim only01:33
Tonio_Riddell: I don't have chinese or japanese here :)01:33
Tonio_Riddell: hum right.......... strange........; let's remove it to find out where does that come from........ maybe an issue with french packages01:33
Jucatokwwii: just rebooted. the boot messages text color was changed to blue right? (imho, kinda bit difficult to read). anyway still got the funky usplash bug I mentioned :)01:33
kwwiiJucato: you should definitely report a bug01:34
RiddellJucato: I changed that, before it was coming up as close to black for me01:34
kwwiias I have no idea why several progress bars are showing :-(01:34
Tonio_Riddell: removed it , no issue........ maybe some strange dependancies on a package I've tested last week....01:34
JucatoRiddell: ah01:34
marseillai_thanks riddell i'll take a look at that01:34
Jucatokwwii: and it's showing up in the middle of the screen, not below the progress bar01:34
kwwiiJucato: but are you seeing more than one progress bar?01:35
Jucatokwwii: yes :)01:35
Jucatoand more than 4 of them... the progress bars are scrolling w/ the text too :D01:35
kwwiiouch01:35
kwwiiplease, enter a bug01:35
Jucatowill do01:35
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Tonio_I can't wait to start on multimedia with feisty+1.... so many things to do there...01:36
Jucato:)01:36
HobbseeTonio_: indeed!01:37
Jucatokwwii: looks like it has been reported already in bug 7832401:38
UbugtuMalone bug 78324 in usplash "non-quiet mode text scrolls over progress bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7832401:38
kwwiiJucato: which resolution are you running?01:40
Jucatoum... how do I check? I guess it would be 1024x768 (the highest this thing can use)01:41
Jucatokwwii: I think that bug is a bit different from what I'm experiencing, but the general behavior is the same...01:42
JucatoI'm not sure if the bug reporter is using feisty or not01:42
RiddellHobbsee: lots of libraries work with crypto01:43
kwwiiJucato: well, I'll see what I can do01:43
Jucatokwwii: I won't file a separate bug then?01:43
kwwiiJucato: no need, it seems01:44
Jucatook. I'll just add my comments on that bug and mark it as confirmed01:44
HobbseeRiddell: doesnt appear to be any that actually work with kleopatra though01:45
kwwiiJucato: cool01:45
Jucatodone :)01:46
kwwiiJucato: the biggest problem with fixing this is that to do it, one has to rebuild the usplash again and again and test it :-)01:46
Jucatoouch...01:46
kwwiiyeah, you can say that loudly - not exactly what an artist wants to spend his time on01:47
Jucato:(01:47
_StefanS_kwwii: I can help you test it if you like01:53
Jucato_StefanS_: were you able to get that "bug" I mentioned? (just checking)01:55
Jucatoor rather question01:55
_StefanS_Jucato: eh what bug ?01:55
_StefanS_Jucato: must have missed it01:55
Jucatologout dialog. you can't use cursor keys. bug or future feature? :)01:56
_StefanS_Jucato: well that was solved long time ago01:56
_StefanS_Jucato: did we talk about that?01:56
_StefanS_did/didnt01:56
Jucatoah just wasn't uploaded yet or something?01:56
_StefanS_Jucato: should be..01:57
Jucatohm...01:57
_StefanS_let me check01:58
Hobbseemust be almost time for me to remove the edgy chroot, if feisty's almost done01:59
Jucatoanyway, now that I've told you, I'm deleting the note from basket :D01:59
Hobbseemust be time for a new name, too...01:59
_StefanS_Jucato: the arrow keys work for me02:04
Jucatohm...02:04
_StefanS_Jucato: in both feistys I have here02:04
Tonio_allee: FYI, there is a little bug in digikam with servicemenus desktop file02:04
Jucatohm.. it might be the widget style that I'm using... let me check02:04
_StefanS_Jucato: that should have any effect I think..02:05
Tonio_allee french translation contains iso chars so it won't work correctly...02:05
alleeTonio_: the UTF-8 encoding02:05
_StefanS_Jucato: shouldn't !02:05
_StefanS_Jucato: damn .. keyboard day02:05
Tonio_allee yes I just did the patch, I'll ping you and upstream once tested to fix02:05
Tonio_allee I'll upload to ubuntu once the freeze ends02:05
Jucato_StefanS_: won't hur to try :)02:05
alleeTonio_: it's fixed in svn already02:05
Jucatohurt*02:05
Tonio_allee, hum let's diff with svn then ;)02:06
_StefanS_Jucato: ofcourse not02:06
alleeTonio_: kde svn, not alitoh svn02:06
Tonio_allee yep, I'll merge the diff then02:06
Jucato_StefanS_: see I was right. it's because of my beautiful widget style :)02:06
_StefanS_Jucato: which one is that ?02:06
alleeTonio_: great! I'm busy with fai fixes currently02:06
Jucato_StefanS_: Domino02:07
_StefanS_Jucato: is it any good? could you post me a screenshot ?02:07
Jucatoof Domino?02:07
Jucatolet me get from KDE-Look02:08
_StefanS_Jucato: yes, I just saw it there02:08
_StefanS_Jucato: nevermind, I will try it now02:08
Tonio_allee will send you the patch for debian02:08
_StefanS_Jucato: do you know of a current beryl installation howto for feisty ?02:09
Jucatoum nope...02:09
Hobbsee_StefanS_: it's going thru main now - just wait02:10
Hobbseeer, NEW, not main02:10
_StefanS_Hobbsee: what does that mean?02:10
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Jucatolol! it would never be in main right? at least not until it gets the licensing stuff ironed out02:11
Hobbsee_StefanS_: archive admisn are picking over it, checkign it's OK, before they put it into feisty02:11
Hobbseehopefully not02:11
Hobbseeand they've done a lot of work, with MOTU02:11
_StefanS_oka02:11
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rouzicHi all02:26
Hobbseeheya!02:27
Tonio_allee do you have svn access to digikam ?02:28
alleeTonio_: yes02:28
Tonio_allee french translation is a bit ugly, I'd like to fix it02:28
Tonio_allee great I'll send you a diff then02:29
alleeTonio_: well, I'm a bit confused about the i18n handling of the desktop files.  Normaly scripty extracts them and later merges translations back.  Something is borked in this respect currently.02:29
alleeTonio_: send me the patch and I try to clarify the procedure02:30
Tonio_allee sure.02:30
Tonio_allee well the point is that the french translation has a big grammar issue so.......... ;)02:31
Tonio_do what you can with the patch, but I'll fix it for ubuntu at least ;)02:31
alleeTonio_: hehe02:31
Tonio_allee alle(at)ubuntu.com ?02:33
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alleeTonio_: allee@kubuntu.org  or u.c  whatever you prefer02:33
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alleehi Hobbsee02:34
Hobbseeheh02:34
Tonio_allee email sent02:34
Hobbseeheya allee!02:34
alleeHobbsee: good news for you.  digikam enhanced the read eye correction tool.  So maybe there's a hope for the picutre you send me ... ;)02:35
henoI'm testing Kubuntu WinFOSS on a Win 2000 install. For Scribus I'm told that people who don't run WinXP yu need to download GDI+ which takes you to a Microsoft site, which in turn wants to run a Genuine Windows validation check ...02:35
Hobbseeallee: yay!02:35
Hobbseeallee: take decent pics in spain.  that's easy.02:35
henoall in all, quite nasty02:35
Hobbseeheno: ugh02:35
alleeHobbsee: I'll try my best, but have not much hope.  I know my shots02:36
Hobbseeallee: :)02:36
Hobbseeallee: more importantly, did you want to handle the new basket?02:36
Riddellheno: sounds like a good reson for people to move to Kubuntu02:37
rbrunhuber_StefanS_: cool riddel showed up02:38
alleeHobbsee: not right now.  I'm fighting to get fai into shape for feisty.02:38
henoRiddell: true. Are you happy with that? I could add some explanatory text02:38
Hobbseeallee: fair enough02:38
henolike have done with Java for OOo in the past02:38
kwwiiJucato: can you do this for me? "cat /etc/usplash.conf"02:39
heno'this application requires a library ...'02:39
Riddellheno: it's no ideal but I can't think of a better way, some text in the winfoss app explaining it would be good02:39
Jucatokwwii: ah 800x60002:39
henook02:39
henoAnyway, it's basically a dupe of bug #1 :) (or a side-effect of it)02:40
rbrunhuberheno : lol02:42
henoooh, but it's really nasty. The way MS wants to validate win Win install is via the browser, which in turn means installing an MS Genuine Advantage plugin in *Firefox*02:46
henothat's really nasty :(02:46
RiddellMS install a firefox plugin?02:48
Riddellor there is a plugin that has to be installed for MS to allow you to use your computer?02:48
kwwiiJucato: and what size/res monitor do you have?02:49
HobbseeRiddell: yes, it's called windows.02:49
Hobbsee*g*02:49
Jucatokwwii: 14", max res is 1024x76802:50
kwwiiJucato: freaky...I cannot figure out why it does that02:50
kwwiiJucato: the numbers seem to show that it should not overlap02:50
Jucato:(02:50
Jucatousplash.conf xres=800 yres=600. that means usplash is using 800x600 right? :(02:51
kwwiithe progress bar starts at 321 (down from the top) and it 8 pixels high, so it goes to 329...but the text box starts at 40702:51
kwwiiJucato: yes02:51
Jucatoweird...02:52
henoRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/genuineAdvantage.png02:52
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henoMS Wants me to install their plugin in firefox and use that to validate my windows install02:52
henobefore I can download GDI+ which is needed for Scribus02:53
Riddellheno: well, nice to know they support free software I guess02:53
kwwiiJucato: forget that, I found the problem02:54
henoyeah, I'll validate with Explorer thanks02:54
kwwiiwell, I didn't find it, but I will fix it :-)02:54
Jucatokwwii: ooh nice ;)02:54
henoDon't want any MS plugins in firefox02:54
henoI guess I can safely assume that there is no malware on on the MS site? :)02:55
heno(depends on your definition I guess)02:55
Riddellabattoir: new oem-installer is lovely02:57
abattoirRiddell: aah, saw me update the wiki? thanks :)02:57
abattoirRiddell: but it's mainly due to kwwii's wallpaper :)02:57
Jucato:)02:57
Riddellabattoir: yes, and I tested it yesterday (see planet)02:57
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abattoirRiddell: you got the ugly motif style in the screenshot though :(02:58
abattoiroh you mention that(/me reads it fully)02:59
kwwiiRiddell: just commited a fix for Jucato's problem02:59
Jucatokwwii: thanks :)02:59
kwwiiJucato: thanks for finding the bug :-)02:59
Jucato:D03:00
abattoirRiddell: thanks :)03:00
Jucatokwwii: I was thinking about it since I know that a number of people have disabled quiet to see boot messages, while not sacrificing your beautiful artwork :D03:00
Riddellkwwii: ok, it won't get into beta though03:03
_StefanS_heno: whats the performance of that virtualbox ?03:03
heno_StefanS_: very good IMO, but then I have a fast system03:04
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_StefanS_heno: what would that be ?03:04
kwwiiRiddell: sure, just as long as it makes it in before the final release :-)03:05
henoamd64 4000+ with 2gb ram03:05
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henohere is a review with a benchmark http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=5603:06
henowhere virtualbox comes out well03:06
henoalso see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/VirtualBox03:06
_StefanS_heno: well my Core2 2.33ghz / 3gb should handle that fine then.. thanks for the links03:08
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henoI would think so, yes. I can happily run several VMs at once03:09
icefoxHey there, I made a little game http://www.icefox.net/programs/?program=Anigma and even made a debian/ dir for it, any chance I could get a debian-dev to help me get it in debian?03:09
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Hobbseeicefox: try #debian-mentors on oftc03:12
bddebianHeya03:12
icefoxok03:12
icefoxthanks03:12
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_StefanS_kwwii: good luck :)03:18
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Tonio_someone there, can you connect to cups with kdeprint ?03:25
Tonio_when I try to configure the server, my login and password are not accepted...03:25
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_StefanS_Tonio_: I get a dialog that some stuff was not recognized03:27
Tonio_Riddell: we should at a patch for this, I put that on my todo..... looks like certain options are not recognized by kdeprintrc03:27
Tonio__StefanS_: yes that's very common when cups is updated, kdeprint doesn't consider those options03:27
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm pretty sure there is a patch svn of on their bts, I'll have a look toonight03:28
_StefanS_ok03:30
Tonio_first test is to diff kdeprint with svn I guess03:31
mhbhi all03:32
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kwwiiheno: which version are we supposed to test? herd5?03:37
henokwwii: the latest daily03:38
henokwwii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and such03:38
Riddellkwwii: we're trying to release beta this week remember? :)03:38
kwwiiRiddell: yes, that is why I asked (I didn't know where the current stuff is)03:39
kwwiiI couldn't find a link in the wiki search03:39
Riddellkwwii: top of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles03:39
henoI'm seeing some installer wierdness with the Kubuntu installer (running in VirtualBox) http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/installer-wierdness.png Is this known, or perhaps a virtualbox issue?03:40
_StefanS_heno: have you tried to minimize/resize the window to force an update to the contents ?03:42
heno_StefanS_: minimise/restore does nothing, a resize makes it slightly better: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/slightly-better.png03:45
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_StefanS_heno: I think its a vm issue..03:45
_StefanS_heno: but we cant be sure03:46
henook, we'll get people testing it on real hardware too03:46
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Hobbseenight all03:48
Riddellheno: that certainly isn't known03:49
henoRiddell: ok, I'll test on real hardware too (you may have done so already)03:50
henoit's just the i386 desktop03:50
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lontraso i told the installer to skip with downloading packages (i.e. cancel); i'm installing feisty, btw, and apparently ubiquity is still running but i don't see any dialog any more04:03
lontrais the installer still working?04:05
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TheInfinity> [17:34:03]  <stpierre> if you don't have the deliver binary, then you have a horribly broken cyrus install. reinstall. <-- should that make an alert when i get this from cyrus channel with ubuntu packages? ;)05:42
RiddellI don't even know what cyrus is05:49
TheInfinitypop3 / imap with sieve scripts and some other extras ;)05:50
sebasAn IMAP server.05:50
sebasAh, more than that even.05:50
Riddelloh, that05:51
rbrunhuberRiddell : Cyrus is a way to have a really frustrating day or two or three :-)05:51
Riddellmost mail servers are05:51
TheInfinitywith courier i had less problems - but courier imap means no sieve scripts -> damn *g*05:54
rbrunhuberTheInfinity : Same here at cyrus the installation is a real mess (at least for me), with courier the server side filtering is05:56
Tonio_nothing's better than postfix/uw-imap for me :)05:56
rbrunhuberTonio_ : But hast postfix a good way for server side filtering?05:57
Tonio_a bit hard to configure for something specific, but all MTAs are nowadays....05:57
Tonio_rbrunhuber: spam filter ?05:57
TheInfinityspam filter is server site - with procmail - which is the problem of it ;)05:58
TheInfinityprocmail -> cyrus does not work :D05:58
TheInfinity-> all mails lost05:58
rbrunhuberTonio_:  No, filtering for list an and so05:58
Tonio_rbrunhuber: you can use amavisd05:59
Tonio_rbrunhuber: rbl/sbl ?05:59
Tonio_rbrunhuber: if so, yes it does it perfectly05:59
Tonio_I use it it a few lists, including spamhaus05:59
Tonio_rbrunhuber: is that what yo're talking about ?05:59
rbrunhuberTonio_ : spam filter is no problem. Just let's call if server side  "mail sorting"06:00
rbrunhuber*if/it06:00
Tonio_ah yes, okay, of course it works06:00
Tonio_you can do lots of rules, as with any other mta06:00
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giangy'evening guys06:18
Riddellhello giangy06:19
giangyhi Riddell :-)06:19
giangywe want k3b 1.0 in feisty :P06:19
Riddellthat's right06:21
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henodoes the kubuntu installer use apport?08:02
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Riddellheno: that's a good question08:03
Riddellheno: cjwatson did have the code for that but I'm not sure if he enabled it08:03
henoI got a crash, but not a useful report08:04
henousing the back button a few times gives a reproduceable crash, but not decent backtrace08:04
Riddelldid it pop up a dialogue with the backtrace?08:05
henoRiddell: it did, but only 2-3 lines08:05
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Riddellsigh, my bandwidth has broken08:09
Riddellmust get new ISP08:09
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henoRiddell: 94197 with syslog but no apport report08:20
henoI still have the session running if you need more info08:21
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Tm_TI wonder if I should/not should apply ubuntu membership08:44
mhbTm_T: you must consider yourself worthy first08:46
mhbTm_T: that's the ultimate test :o)08:46
Tm_Tmhb: I know, and this struggle has been going on 2 years now (:08:47
Tm_Tcan't remember how many times it's been suggested/asked to me08:47
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zbenjaminhi@ all08:56
zbenjamin_StefanS_:  r u here?08:56
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zbenjamini have problems with locales on herd 5 testcd08:57
zbenjamini can write no umlauts08:58
_StefanS_zbenjamin: i'm here08:58
zbenjamin_StefanS_: i'm on my new kubuntu install ;-)08:59
_StefanS_zbenjamin: good, did it work besides that umlaut problem ?08:59
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_StefanS_zbenjamin: dont know how to fix that problem, be sure to file a bug..09:00
_StefanS_I'm away again09:00
zbenjamin_StefanS_:  somtimes i get SIGABRT when closing systemsettings09:00
zbenjaminand i had a problem with the installer09:01
_StefanS_zbenjamin: are you own 64bit?09:01
zbenjaminbut everything else is working fine09:01
_StefanS_argh own/on09:01
zbenjaminno 32bit09:01
_StefanS_latest updates?09:01
zbenjaminyes 5 minutes ago i did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade09:02
_StefanS_apt-get dist-upgrade09:02
zbenjaminah i'll checkt that09:02
zbenjamin_StefanS_:  only a kernel update09:03
zbenjaminbut i will download it09:03
_StefanS_but be sure to report bugs, and please do a search first to see if they have been reported before09:03
zbenjaminwhere to report?09:03
_StefanS_zbenjamin: ok then, shouldn't make much of a difference09:03
_StefanS_launchpad.net09:03
_StefanS_gotta go on the wireless, brb09:04
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Riddellheno: thanks, looks like the apport code isn't in the kde frontend I'll add it back after beta (and fix that bug at the same time)09:04
henoRiddell: cool09:05
_StefanS_zbenjamin: look at the topic in the channel for those links, btw09:05
heno(testing is useful it seems :) )09:05
zbenjaminseems to be a bug my $LANG tells my i have de_DE.UTF-8 but my locales.gen says  de_AT@euro ISO-8859-1509:05
kwwiiheno: having some problems with virtualBox...the resolution it does is the same as my real resolution so I only see part of the window (and there is no way to scroll, in addition to the mouse escape key not working)09:06
kwwiiheno: do you know if there is a way to reduce the resolution?09:06
henokwwii: if you change the resolution in kde/gnome it should adapt to that09:09
zbenjamin_StefanS_:  hm what can it be when i use the KDE integrated update and i get a messagebox that tells me : debconf wrong nice value09:09
henoor you can just run it in full screen mode09:09
_StefanS_zbenjamin: well its a known bug, AFAIK..09:09
_StefanS_zbenjamin: its adept running debconf..09:09
kwwiiheno: ok, I'll try the fullscreen mode09:09
henokwwii: Ctrl+F09:09
zbenjaminokay i use apt-get anyway09:09
heno(using the right Ctrl key09:09
kwwiiahhh, maybe that is what I was missing with the mouse escape09:09
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zbenjaminback09:14
_StefanS_kwwii: is there a way to show messages while booting, without removing quiet ?09:16
_StefanS_kwwii: like toggling the boot details (?)09:16
kwwii_StefanS_: nope09:16
_StefanS_kwwii: mmkay..09:16
zbenjaminwhere is the $LANG environment variable intialized09:16
_StefanS_zbenjamin: /etc/profile probably.09:17
kwwiiRiddell: did the new color scheme make it in yet?09:18
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kwwiiRiddell: asking because they are not in the daily build yet09:18
Riddellkwwii: guess not then09:18
kwwiiRiddell: do you know when you'll include them?09:19
kwwiithey were in my push a few days ago as well (which I mentioned to you)09:20
zbenjamin09:25
zbenjamin_StefanS_: strange it seems that not all apps have the problems09:25
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zbenjamin_StefanS_:  i think i found the problem09:28
_StefanS_zbenjamin: ok, good to hear09:29
zbenjaminsome fonts don't support umlauts09:30
zbenjaminOn suse i used Arial for my editors and it seems Arial turns into Ani on kubuntu. And Ani don't support umlauts09:31
_StefanS_zbenjamin: well you should install the msttcorefonts09:35
zbenjaminnice apt-get install msttcorefonts and it just runs..... if i think about suse *horror*09:37
Riddellkwwii: they should be included then10:03
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Alpha_Clusterdoes anyone know if mounted removable disks will ever come up with a picture that is not a iPod?>10:11
kwwiiRiddell: erm, it seems it is a problem with the settings in kde that point it to the name of the colorscheme (not the name of the file)10:12
mhbAlpha_Cluster: they do, at least here10:14
Alpha_Clusterrealy?10:15
mhbAlpha_Cluster: pen drive is a pen drive, mp3 player is an ipod-like player etc.10:15
Alpha_Clustermy flash drive keeps mounting as an iPod i should point out im in 7.0410:15
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Alpha_Clusterhmm10:15
kwwiianyone running edgy?10:15
kwwiican someone tell me the name of the colorscheme file that is set as default in edgy?10:16
_StefanS_kwwii: I do, let me boot it10:17
_StefanS_kwwii: where should I look for it ?10:19
kwwiisystemsettings-->appearance-->colors10:20
Alpha_Clusterit starts with a k...10:20
kwwii_StefanS_: sorry for making you go through so much work - I could have figured it out somehow too10:20
_StefanS_kwwii: its ok, i've booted a default edgy now10:20
Riddellkwwii: which file is it?10:21
_StefanS_kwwii: KubuntuColors.ksrc10:22
kwwii_StefanS_: yes, exactly10:22
_StefanS_kwwii: KubuntuColours.ksrc10:22
_StefanS_with an 'u' also ;)10:22
kwwii_StefanS_: I want to know the name that is in the file itself10:22
_StefanS_kwwii: KubuntuColours.kcsrc10:22
_StefanS_ok10:23
ryanakcakwwii: need any help with anything while basket builds?10:23
_StefanS_kuseven10:23
kwwii_StefanS_: excellent, thanks so much...sorry for bothering10:23
_StefanS_kwwii: no prob just let me know, I've got all the *ubuntus in vmware at hand10:23
kwwiifor some reason I cannot build the kernel module for vmware with the latest kernel10:24
Riddellkwwii: kubuntuColours.kcsrc doesn't actually get used by default, most of the colours are in kdeglobals10:24
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kwwiiRiddell: now I understand why it still had the old colors :-)10:25
kwwiiRiddell: but still, it did not select the theme per default as the name it was looking for no longer existed10:25
kwwiiblah, that is a nasty way to do the colors10:26
kwwiiwhy set a default colorscheme file when it is hard coded like that?10:27
kwwiilol, and things are defined twice in that file10:29
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\shkwwii: there is an update package for vmware with latest kernels10:32
\shbut starting vmware doesn't work anyhow10:32
\shkwwii: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update108.tar.gz10:34
kwwii\sh: lol, thanks :-)10:35
\shkwwii: think about that: you can compile the kernel modules...but starting vmware brings a lib loading error...and it just fails...I have the same problems with my vmware-server crap...so my private laptop needs a downgrade to edgy or dapper ,-)10:36
kwwii\sh: yeah, I know the feeling10:36
\shand my english tonight is crap, too...too much gentoo emerge -u world fightings10:36
kwwiihehe10:37
\shsince 6 hours I'm sitting now on this update...*gnarf* and I forgot to screen it before I started :(10:37
\shkwwii: but nice kde theme ... I hope your are responsible for that ,-)10:38
kwwii\sh: for gentoo kde?10:39
\shkwwii: nope...kubuntu10:39
kwwiihehe, yeah, you can blame me for that one10:39
\shbut somehow my latest kernel won't boot anymore..some problems mit modload bla....10:39
kwwiiouch10:41
crimsunprobably bug 9364810:41
UbugtuMalone bug 93648 in linux-source-2.6.20 "2.6.20-12 fails to boot with ICH6 SATA (ahci_init_one/pci_iounmap BUG at lib/iomap.c:254)" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9364810:41
kwwii\sh: are you going to be in berlin?10:42
kwwiiRiddell: ok, I've edited the kdeglobals file as well as the colorscheme file itself10:45
kwwii(and added the missing changelog entries from today as well)10:46
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Tonio_re10:50
\shkwwii: I actually don't know...I'm trying to get off from office...10:51
kwwiihehe10:51
sebasBerlin == Linuxtag?10:51
Tonio_hum, I'm getting nuts with that kdeprint issue........10:51
\shsebas: yepp10:51
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Tonio_hey \sh, sebas, kwwii10:51
kwwiihi Tonio_10:51
\shevening Tonio_ :)10:52
sebashey Tonio|nuts10:52
Tonio_can one of you confirm that you get an error while going in kdeprint, then select "configure server"10:52
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Tonio_talks about unknown options here10:52
sebasIs that the kcontrol thing?10:52
\shI couldn't add a printer today via systemsettigns/Printer10:52
sebasOr the normal print dialog?10:52
Tonio_sebas: yes10:52
sebasOk10:52
Tonio_\sh: yes sometimes happen with updates, you have to purge and reinstall cupsys and delete ~/ .kde/share/config/kdeprintrc and share/apps/kdeprint10:53
sebasSome error (looks like an empty configfile), no crash but setup wizard.10:53
Tonio_\10:53
Tonio_sebas: yes, it just tels me that some options are unknown and therefore I will not be able to change them right ?10:54
\shTonio_: I'll try it tomorrow10:54
sebasAnd a KDE logo which is like from kde 2.010:54
sebasTonio_: yes10:54
sebasSome options were not recognized by this configuration tool. They will be left untouched and you won't be able to change them.10:54
sebasdefaultauthtype = Basic10:54
Tonio_\sh: if the problem is that you were not able to select anything else but a windows shared printer, we're talking about the same thing.10:55
Tonio_\just purge packages and settings and reinstall, worked for me10:55
Tonio_sebas: yes I get the same issue10:55
\shTonio_: I just didn't have a printer installed, then I gone into admin mode, and try to add a printer...and then nothing...10:55
sebasPrinting generally works fine for me though.10:56
Tonio_sebas: I thought about new options in the latest cups version, but defaultauthtype is an old one10:56
\shnot even a krashhandler dialog or something...10:56
sebasI think that is one of linux' subsystems that is done really well.10:56
Tonio_sebas: I guess the error message is not good, the error is something else.... I'll look at the code eventually10:56
sebasHM ok10:56
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Tonio_\sh: when you say nothing, you mean you were not able to click on "local printer" or "tcp network printer" or so right ?10:57
\shTonio_: no the add printer dialog doesn't appear10:57
Tonio_\sh: ouch........10:57
Tonio_\sh: on feisty ?10:58
\shTonio_: yepp10:58
\shon egdy it works like charm10:58
Tonio_\sh: hum........ if I were you I would simply delete the ~ kdeprint files and restart kde.....10:59
Tonio_\sh: should be profile related issue since it globally works for everyone on feisty10:59
\shTonio_: will do tomorrow morning...I just want to finish my gentoo upgrade here...it takes ages :(10:59
Tonio_\sh: that's gentoo :)11:00
\shTonio_: well it's the server of my root server sponsor :)11:00
Tonio_\sh: gentoo on a server ? nonsense........11:01
Tonio_gentoo is the exact thing that we don't wan't on a server11:01
\shTonio_: no...it was my idea in the past, when I didn't know ubuntu ,-)11:01
Tonio_the purpose of a server is to be available all the time... and as long as gentoo takes ages to upgrade, it i a nonsense using it ;)11:02
Tonio_\sh: why not debian, or centos ?11:02
Tonio_\sh: gentoo is nice, but not very adapted to production server usage in my opinion11:03
\shTonio_: because I was a gentoo dev (de) for some time...:(11:03
sebasHow long are gentoo releases maintained / supported after a new version is out?11:04
sebasJust asking this myself, no ranting here =)11:04
Tonio_\sh: that explains :)11:04
\shstable releases of gentoo? never saw it11:04
sebasnot the ~ thing :P11:04
\shnew version upgrade == upgrade your system...new glibc == compile your fcking whole software with it11:04
Tonio_sebas: gentoo doesn't have any stable release support concept11:05
\sheven in != ~ trees ;)11:05
sebasSo "not" would be the answer11:05
Tonio_sebas: and if you only perform upgrades for example once a month, be ready for 30 hours compiling........11:05
sebasI know, I tried it.11:05
sebasI was just wondering about support11:05
Tonio_sebas: that's why I think gentoo is the worst system for production servers :)11:05
Tonio_sebas: ah, well there is none :)11:05
sebasyeah, I know all that =)11:05
sebasMust be fun, like following KDE 4 trunk =)11:06
Tonio_gentoo is like a debian unstable that would never stable11:06
Tonio_perpetual dev cycle......... ;)11:06
sebasI especially disliked the slow tools for portage, but I understood that that has changed11:06
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\shok...gentoo upgrade finished...no dead people11:19
\shcu tomorrow :)11:19
ajmitchbye \sh :)11:20
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Tm_T\sh_away: what about souls you've sold?11:36
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claydohomg using linux since 2002 and I am compiling my first kernel lol11:40
Tm_Tclaydoh: why compiling kernel?11:43
claydohjust because11:43
Tm_Tdon't understand11:44
claydohand to check out if it fixes a bug for me11:44
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claydohbug 8548811:44
UbugtuMalone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8548811:44
claydoha gentoo bug report mentioned a kenel config so i am trying it out11:45
claydohand cuz I never did it before11:45
claydohand i am slightly crazy11:45
claydohand I really want my scanner to work :)11:46
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