[12:46] <ryanakca> what include line do I add for cdbs + cmake in debian/rules? I'm looking at decibel's cmake.mk... dunno if there are any other's I should look at...
[12:57] <Riddell> kde4libs, should be the same
[12:57] <Riddell> copy, paste
[12:57] <ajmitch> just a couple of lines in debian/rules to worry about
[01:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk
[01:00] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just saw that the ark mimetypes issue was my fault..... sorry for this :)
[02:09] <nixternal> I thought that as long as a package included the .pot files LP/Rosetta would automatically import them for translations
[02:09] <nixternal> well, LP/Rosetta is still showing old templates for the kubuntu-docs package
[02:10] <Riddell> it should, although I'm not sure how complete the feisty .pot import process is
[02:10] <Riddell> I can poke carlos tomorrow if you like
[02:11] <nixternal> Riddell: yes please, it is kind of unnerving
[02:11] <nixternal> it seems the ubuntu-docs have already imported, but the kubuntu docs haven't
[02:11] <nixternal> I am in Washingto DC until Wednesday, so I will be checking in when possible :)
[02:33] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[02:33] <Riddell> freeflying: I installed Kubuntu in chinese today.  it ends up using scim and not skim, and the problem of missing chinese characters seems to go away
[02:35] <freeflying> Riddell: becasue scim provide conffine for im-switch.
[02:36] <freeflying> Riddell: and now the Latin character here is too ugly
[02:36] <Riddell> yes, the font is quite nasty for latin
[02:36] <Riddell> what is conffine?
[02:37] <freeflying> Riddell: configure file for im-switch to set up scim
[02:39] <Riddell> freeflying: mm, that should be in libscim then, not scim
[02:40] <freeflying> Riddell: we used to use scim-pinyin to set up scim, but the maintainer of scim provide a im-switch's configure file, and its priority is high then scim-pinyins
[02:40] <freeflying> but he hasn't consider of skim, because he dosen't use skim
[02:40] <Riddell> humph
[02:40] <Riddell> how do I get it to use skim then?
[02:41] <freeflying> Riddell: drop the configure file from scim, or merge scim-pinyin's to scim, or low the priority of scim's
[02:42] <Riddell> hmm, all feisty+1 work now
[02:42] <Riddell> freeflying: do you know what the font used for chinese characters is for chinese locale and english locale?
[02:43] <freeflying> Riddell: ttf-arphic-uming for Chiense, and Bitstream , Dejavu for Latin
[02:44] <Riddell> freeflying: under english settings chinese web pages etc have missing characters, but under chinese settings they don't
[02:44] <Riddell> I don't see how that can happen unless they're using different fonts
[02:45] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/chinese-qt-3.3.8.png  missing
[02:45] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/chinese-qt-3.3.8-2.png   no missing
[02:45] <freeflying> Riddell: but using qt-3.3.7, we can have Chinese characters displayed well under English locale
[02:47] <freeflying> Riddell: I used to use en_US.UTF-8 locale on my laptop
[02:48] <Riddell> sure, Irt
[02:48] <Riddell> hmm, scim can get in the way :)
[02:48] <Riddell> sure, I still plan to revert
[02:49] <Riddell> but it would be helpful to know what the difference is to track down why one works and the other doesn't
[02:49] <freeflying> Riddell: and skim has problems too, for the priority of im-switch's start, now its 80im-switch in /etc/X11/Xsesison.d
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: seems qt-3.3.8 only know latin fonts configure if you use a latin locale  :)
[03:39] <rbrunhuber> Have you seen this nice spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/minix-kernel-based-ubuntu
[03:52] <ajmitch> how interesting
[03:54] <RadiantFire> well, there is a debian/hurd project I think. *chuckle*
[03:54] <ajmitch> sure, and that's quite a lot more useful than minix
[03:55] <ajmitch> ever tried compiling kde on minix? :)
[03:55] <RadiantFire> i can't say I have
[03:56] <ajmitch> http://www.h1.org/~ncryer/kde.png
[03:56] <RadiantFire> I feel liek it can't be that bad, I mean, how many system calls does KDE really need to make
[03:57] <rbrunhuber> in the book  "just for fun" linus says that he started the real development on linux after he overwrote his minix partition because he did not want to do all the patching of minix to get i in runnable shape again :-)
[03:57] <ajmitch> it's things like qt's support of pthreads, for example
[03:57] <ajmitch> and various things that are defined slightly differently or not at all
[03:57] <ajmitch> ask bddebian :)
[03:59] <bddebian> hmm :-)
[04:01] <Jucato> HURD is already usable? O.o
[04:01] <rbrunhuber> i'm just running over a lot of bugs that are neither assigned nor confirmed nor solved nor "underfeed" with information and are in "needs info" status and had no love in the last 3 months. I'm really tempted to reject them. But i do not want to frustrate the original reporters though
[04:02] <rbrunhuber> it is really a difficult situation
[04:02] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: I think the wiki has some "templates" on how to politely say that you're closing a bug
[04:03] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: I already know the templates. May i give you a few examples to decide with me wether to reject or keep open.
[04:04] <Jucato> sure, let me try some :)
[04:05] <rbrunhuber> So the fun begins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/50863
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50863 in ubiquity "Crash installing onto memory stick" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[04:06] <rbrunhuber> and the next one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/48873
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48873 in ubiquity "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[04:07] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: the first one doesn't have a comment asking for updated info. might be good to ask for more info first. imho
[04:09] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: Yes maybe. But in the worst case this adds another 3 months of sitting around for nothing.
[04:10] <Jucato> well at least if he doesn't add any info in a month, we could close the bug and point that we asked for updated info :)
[04:11] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: as for the second bug, not sure but seems like cjwatson has some more info that he hasn't added to the bug (judging by the last comment)
[04:12] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: Can't we just do both in one run? Reject it and ask in the reject message for more information. This kicks the unneeded bugs out and the others get reopened?
[04:13] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: I agree with you that we should leave the second alone.
[04:13] <Jucato> hm.. imho.. it looks like we're too anxious to close bugs...
[04:14] <Jucato> maybe the guys in #ubuntu-bugs could give better advise..
[04:14] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: the second one should probably be "pinged" to cjwatson though...
[04:14] <Jucato> a short comment to bump it (but cjwatson isn't subscribed...)
[04:15] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: what do you mean? Assign or subscribe him?
[04:16] <Jucato> ping him in irc? I don't really know the procedure for this... assigning the bug or subscribing him w/o his knowledge might seem rude... but not really sure...
[04:18] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: Colin will get notified because he is owner of the ubuntu installer team
[04:18] <Jucato> ah kool
[04:19] <rbrunhuber> Jucato: No is the question what to write in the comment?
[04:19] <Jucato> er... brb really
[04:19] <Jucato> sorry
[04:19] <nixternal> oi!
[10:47] <_StefanS_> hi there
[10:47] <rbrunhuber> Hi _StefanS_
[10:48] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: hey bluetooth guy
[10:48] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: :)
[10:49] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Someone has to pick this up!
[10:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: are you there ?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have a question regarding the packaging of kbluetooth
[10:50] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: Starts getting interesting :-)
[10:51] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: lets hope he's there :)
[10:56] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Did you have a further look in the issue?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: nothing besides it doesnt work for me either
[10:56] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I cant remember; did you file a bug on it ?
[10:57] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: in launchpad
[10:57] <rbrunhuber> yes I filed bug 89291
[10:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 89291 in kdebluetooth "Kubuntu Feisty does not ask for bluetooth pin. Pinhelpers seem not to work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89291
[10:57] <_StefanS_> ok fine
[12:02] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hwo'd you go with ksudoku?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i remember why i was going to take care fo ksudoku
[12:07] <Tonio_> hi
[12:07] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!
[12:07] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!!!!
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: because no one attended to it, and debian never packaged the latest version.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hence it didnt sync
[12:08] <Jucato> oh...
[12:08] <Jucato> that's... um... curious...
[12:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ryanakca was looking at ksudoku I think
[12:08] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I dropped it because I had to study for my science test this morning, but I'll work on it again tonight
[12:08] <Jucato> considering 1.0 fixes the annoying "crash on exit" bug
[12:09] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: once debian packages the new version, its' a direct sync.
[12:09] <ryanakca> ah
[12:09] <ryanakca> so, no need to package it?
[12:10] <ryanakca> or package it and ship it to the debian maintainer?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: not if we wait till feisty+1
[12:10] <Hobbsee> i'd prefer to see some work being done on basket, actuallly
[12:10] <ryanakca> ah, this is for the sourceforge/kdeapps website...
[12:10] <ryanakca> which will also end up on revu for feisty+1
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: it shouldnt, if people are following procedure.
[12:11] <ryanakca> what shouldn't?
[12:12] <ryanakca> ksudoku on revu?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ie, no one should be putting it on REVU for feisty+1, because it's a merge, it'll be on merges.ubuntu.com and my name will be on it, as i'm the last uploader
[12:12] <ryanakca> ah
[12:12] <Hobbsee> and if people are following procedure, they will not touch other people's merges without asking.
[12:13] <ryanakca> kk
[12:13] <Hobbsee> heh.  yes,
[12:13] <Hobbsee> gmail's getting worse for spam
[12:13] <ryanakca> well, do we tell the get the package for sourceforge/kdeapps? or do we just wait for some debian guy to do it?
[12:14] <ryanakca> Much worse...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: the suggested method would be to file a wishlist bug to say that there's a new version
[12:15] <ryanakca> *nods*
[12:16] <ryanakca> And then... the guy gets his package by... ?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how do i report a bug to debian, with reportbug?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which guy?
[12:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: the upstream author, *points to the message in the k-d mailing list*
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[12:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes, reportbug, it should have a debian setting or something :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it defaults to ubuntu, iirc.
[12:18] <ajmitch> yep
[12:18] <ajmitch> there's a -B option to tell it which bts to go to
[12:18] <ajmitch> I can't remember the setting it needs though
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah, yes, i see
[12:19] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: here, how's this, I package it for upstream, send a copy of the package sources to the debian maintainer... he can take them if he wants, or ditch them if he doesn't want them and take care of it himself, and then you can sync it in +1
[12:20] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you can if you like.  i'm filing that bug now.  i honestly think there are more important things for kubuntu before feisty's release, but i cant tell you what to do.
[12:21] <ryanakca> kk, well, what can I do?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: there's a new release of basket.  if you could package that, that'd be great
[12:22] <Hobbsee> okay, bug report sent
[12:23] <ryanakca> okies, will look at that
[12:23] <Hobbsee> (which we can send straight to debian)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: also, you use kdepim, right?
[12:23] <ryanakca> yep
[12:24] <Hobbsee> just waiting a bit to see if it really fixes the problem
[12:24] <Hobbsee> okay, bye!
[12:24] <ryanakca> ah, umm... I'll probably be back in 2 hours and a half... see you then?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> maybe.  i'll likely be asleep by then :)
[12:25] <ryanakca> lol
[12:25] <ryanakca> night night then :)
[12:27] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: The last person who spoke this often in the third person from himself took a bad end. First he got ruler of rome then he was stabbed by his lad.
[12:28] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: :-)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: hmm?
[12:30] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Just a joke. But the on the first glance the channel seemed to by those / me posts from you.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ahhh.
[12:31] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: Oops you did it again :-P
[12:31] <Hobbsee> i know
[12:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you, weird?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> fabo: you around?
[12:35] <Hobbsee> probably not....
[12:35] <Hobbsee> [22:34]  [Whois]  fabo has been idle for 15 hours, 27 minutes, and 17 seconds.
[12:44] <naught101> who is working on the kubuntu splash artwork?
[12:46] <Riddell> naught101: kwwii
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell - any plans to change kdepim in the next few days?
[12:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, we're frozen for beta
[12:47] <Riddell> what would you like changed?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: upstream finally fixed the bug whcih stops kmail working for all imap users - people are testing it now
[12:48] <Hobbsee> so i'd prefer to put it in in a few days time, along with any other misc fixes that seem important that i find
[12:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I might take a branch patch after beat
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: branch patch?
[12:48] <Riddell> if upstream think it good
[12:49] <naught101> kwwii: have you noticed the optical illusion during the boot-up pecentage bar run? the blue bit looks narrower than the black...
[12:52] <kwwii> naught101: yeah, I noticed that - I'll fix it soon
[12:54] <naught101> cool. looks great otherwise
[12:54] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[12:54] <naught101> I would like to see the ability to press a key and escape the splash back to the command line bootup, like you could in windows 95/98
[12:55] <naught101> it's not really useful, but it's a cool feature
[12:55] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you have any idea on that bluetooth thing ?
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: any plans for kdelibs ? I've a package here ready for upload, once the freeze ends
[12:56] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[12:56] <Tonio_> fixes missing mimetypes
[12:56] <Tonio_> hi _StefanS_ :)
[01:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope, what's do you have?
[01:02] <Riddell> _StefanS_: can't say I do
[01:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: what missing mimetypes?
[01:03] <Riddell> Lure: saw the post annoucing you in MOTU, congratulations
[01:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well I can confirm there is a problem though, but why it wont launch that pin_helper is really wierd. I tried to modify all sorts of things in the config to avoid dbus, but I dont know enough about it to determine whether it is the problem
[01:03] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - did my first upload (kpowersave) yesterday ;-)
[01:05] <Jucato> _StefanS_: hi :)
[01:05] <_StefanS_> Lure: was kpowersave going to replace the current thing (kde-guidance ?)
[01:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  hey
[01:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you still up ? :)
[01:06] <Jucato> at 8:00pm? yeah :D
[01:06] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: was too late for feisty.  maybe in feisty+1
[01:06] <Hobbsee> iirc
[01:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: oh yes, I usually catch you later :)
[01:06] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I didn't realize I had a "bug" for you (noted last week) :D
[01:07] <Jucato> _StefanS_: in the logout dialog box (or is it a popup? :D), you can't use the cursor keys to navigate? bug or to be implemented?
[01:07] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well the current one for feisty is called kde-guidance, right ? - because mine dissappeared at some point
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we patch for nzb mimetype, very usefull in some cases, but it is not installed since Makefile.am needs patching
[01:08] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: guidance-power-manager iiirc
[01:08] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thanks
[01:08] <Tonio_> not an important patch in fact, pretty little thing
[01:09] <Lure> _StefanS_: no, guidance is default for feisty, but kpowersave is there if you like it more
[01:09] <Lure> _StefanS_: guidance-power-manager, in kde-guidance-powermanager package
[01:10] <Lure> Riddell: any news regarding k3b?
[01:10] <Riddell> Lure: no reply yet, it'll be after beta I guess
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Lure: got it installed now, thanks
[01:10] <Lure> Riddell: no problem if after beta, just that we get it in ;-)
[01:11] <_StefanS_> Lure: dont know why I would need kpowersave ... seems like its got alot more options
[01:11] <Lure> _StefanS_: my problem with kpowersave is that it has too many options and may confuse user
[01:11] <Lure> _StefanS_: see my reasoning here: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/03/kpowersave-debian-kubuntu-packages.html
[01:12] <kwwii> Riddell, naught101: commiting a new active progress bar
[01:12] <_StefanS_> Lure: yes.. I like the simplicity guidance powermanager offers, but then i'm not much into powersaving generally, even though I only have laptops
[01:12] <naught101> kewl
[01:12] <naught101> will check out in the morning :)
[01:12] <Jucato> kwwii: oops I think I forgot to file that usplash bug I mentioned to you :(
[01:12] <kwwii> great :-)
[01:12] <kwwii> Jucato: which one?
[01:12] <naught101> can't believe I just spelled "cool" like that...
[01:13] <kwwii> hehe
[01:13] <Jucato> kwwii: there the bootsplash is broken if you remove the "quiet" option from menu.lst
[01:13] <kwwii> Jucato: we changed the colors of the text
[01:14] <Jucato> kwwii: um... I think the position of the text is the one that was broken... but I haven't checked again this morning when I booted the PC
[01:14] <kwwii> Jucato: or does it not work at all?
[01:14] <kwwii> Jucato: you mean the the text overlaps the progress bar on your resolution?
[01:15] <Jucato> yes. and causes the bootsplash to have multiple progress bars
[01:15] <kwwii> now that sounds funky
[01:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: The effect for the background in kdesu works, however the 'kdesu' dialog itself does not respond to being set as a popup (to have it display on top of the faded backgound). The solution as I see it would be to code a new similar dialog, and use that instead of KPasswordDialog-class, which seems to have a will of its own. How you do feel about that ?
[01:15] <kwwii> Jucato: test it with the latest packages and we'll see what we can do
[01:15] <Jucato> ok. I'll have to reboot to test it. I'll do so in a few minutes
[01:16] <Riddell> _StefanS_: sounds too much for a post beta change
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well yes, if you think about it ... it might introduce bugs. But I can't understand why KPasswordDialog won't be a popup, had some guys over at #qt look at it too, but everything compiles, but the dialog does not change its type.
[01:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: really wierd... and I'm starting to hate those specific K* implementations of Qt basic classes
[01:18] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  this group of patches is going to be big :(
[01:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so I guess your opinion would be to use KPasswordDialog if I can get it working, or else wait for feisty+1 if we need to code a dialog of our own (?)
[01:22] <marseillai_> Riddell: hi! i would like to report you a problem i saw at least twice a week on ubuntu-fr forum. Many people come and say i can log into kde! i see kdm but never kde. And almost every time the problem comes from /var/cache/apt/archives/ wich is full of .deb files couldn't you add something like a apt-get autoclean for this problem ?
[01:24] <Jucato> afaik, apt-get clean is run daily.
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: we also have to remove that scim gtk thing from the kmenu
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we really ship with it ?
[01:25] <_StefanS_> wow Riddell must be typing alot now ..
[01:25] <marseillai_> Jucato: since feisty ?
[01:26] <Jucato> marseillai_: since edgy or dapper, from what I've been told
[01:26] <marseillai_> Jucato: so it doesn't work for me and MANY people
[01:27] <sebas> marseillai_: Is that a desktop specific problem?
[01:27] <Jucato> I actually don't check if it runs daily....
[01:27] <sebas> You might want to file a bug on launchpad for that
[01:27] <marseillai_> sebas: not really but in fact yes beacause synaptic does this and not adept
[01:27] <Jucato> sebas: a lot of people have been getting into this trouble lately in #kubuntu too
[01:27] <Jucato> they can't login because their / is full
[01:28] <sebas> Some autoclean mechanism in adept_updater might help then.
[01:28] <marseillai_> sebas: exactly
[01:29] <sebas> marseillai_: You could start by adding this to a FAQ where it's easy to find.
[01:29] <marseillai_> sebas: done! but people reading faq often have a cron for that! ;)
[01:30] <sebas> Did you look into adept's source?
[01:30] <marseillai_> nop
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: where in the menu?
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: configuration, there is a Scim config tool that appeared a week ago
[01:30] <Tonio_> just before beta freeze
[01:31] <Hobbsee> what's the library required for crypto>
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:31] <Riddell> marseillai_: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/25adept-archive-limits should do that
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's part of the scim package we depend on, I'll patch the desktop file
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't depend on scim
[01:32] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum......... how did that come then ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> hey kwwii ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop recommends it, so it is installed by default I guess
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you install a language that needs scim then it'll install
[01:33] <Riddell> scim-qtimm, skim only
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't have chinese or japanese here :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum right.......... strange........; let's remove it to find out where does that come from........ maybe an issue with french packages
[01:33] <Jucato> kwwii: just rebooted. the boot messages text color was changed to blue right? (imho, kinda bit difficult to read). anyway still got the funky usplash bug I mentioned :)
[01:34] <kwwii> Jucato: you should definitely report a bug
[01:34] <Riddell> Jucato: I changed that, before it was coming up as close to black for me
[01:34] <kwwii> as I have no idea why several progress bars are showing :-(
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: removed it , no issue........ maybe some strange dependancies on a package I've tested last week....
[01:34] <Jucato> Riddell: ah
[01:34] <marseillai_> thanks riddell i'll take a look at that
[01:34] <Jucato> kwwii: and it's showing up in the middle of the screen, not below the progress bar
[01:35] <kwwii> Jucato: but are you seeing more than one progress bar?
[01:35] <Jucato> kwwii: yes :)
[01:35] <Jucato> and more than 4 of them... the progress bars are scrolling w/ the text too :D
[01:35] <kwwii> ouch
[01:35] <kwwii> please, enter a bug
[01:35] <Jucato> will do
[01:36] <Tonio_> I can't wait to start on multimedia with feisty+1.... so many things to do there...
[01:36] <Jucato> :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed!
[01:38] <Jucato> kwwii: looks like it has been reported already in bug 78324
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78324 in usplash "non-quiet mode text scrolls over progress bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78324
[01:40] <kwwii> Jucato: which resolution are you running?
[01:41] <Jucato> um... how do I check? I guess it would be 1024x768 (the highest this thing can use)
[01:42] <Jucato> kwwii: I think that bug is a bit different from what I'm experiencing, but the general behavior is the same...
[01:42] <Jucato> I'm not sure if the bug reporter is using feisty or not
[01:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: lots of libraries work with crypto
[01:43] <kwwii> Jucato: well, I'll see what I can do
[01:43] <Jucato> kwwii: I won't file a separate bug then?
[01:44] <kwwii> Jucato: no need, it seems
[01:44] <Jucato> ok. I'll just add my comments on that bug and mark it as confirmed
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: doesnt appear to be any that actually work with kleopatra though
[01:45] <kwwii> Jucato: cool
[01:46] <Jucato> done :)
[01:46] <kwwii> Jucato: the biggest problem with fixing this is that to do it, one has to rebuild the usplash again and again and test it :-)
[01:46] <Jucato> ouch...
[01:47] <kwwii> yeah, you can say that loudly - not exactly what an artist wants to spend his time on
[01:47] <Jucato> :(
[01:53] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I can help you test it if you like
[01:55] <Jucato> _StefanS_: were you able to get that "bug" I mentioned? (just checking)
[01:55] <Jucato> or rather question
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: eh what bug ?
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Jucato: must have missed it
[01:56] <Jucato> logout dialog. you can't use cursor keys. bug or future feature? :)
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well that was solved long time ago
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did we talk about that?
[01:56] <_StefanS_> did/didnt
[01:56] <Jucato> ah just wasn't uploaded yet or something?
[01:57] <_StefanS_> Jucato: should be..
[01:57] <Jucato> hm...
[01:58] <_StefanS_> let me check
[01:59] <Hobbsee> must be almost time for me to remove the edgy chroot, if feisty's almost done
[01:59] <Jucato> anyway, now that I've told you, I'm deleting the note from basket :D
[01:59] <Hobbsee> must be time for a new name, too...
[02:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the arrow keys work for me
[02:04] <Jucato> hm...
[02:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: in both feistys I have here
[02:04] <Tonio_> allee: FYI, there is a little bug in digikam with servicemenus desktop file
[02:04] <Jucato> hm.. it might be the widget style that I'm using... let me check
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: that should have any effect I think..
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee french translation contains iso chars so it won't work correctly...
[02:05] <allee> Tonio_: the UTF-8 encoding
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: shouldn't !
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Jucato: damn .. keyboard day
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee yes I just did the patch, I'll ping you and upstream once tested to fix
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee I'll upload to ubuntu once the freeze ends
[02:05] <Jucato> _StefanS_: won't hur to try :)
[02:05] <allee> Tonio_: it's fixed in svn already
[02:05] <Jucato> hurt*
[02:06] <Tonio_> allee, hum let's diff with svn then ;)
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ofcourse not
[02:06] <allee> Tonio_: kde svn, not alitoh svn
[02:06] <Tonio_> allee yep, I'll merge the diff then
[02:06] <Jucato> _StefanS_: see I was right. it's because of my beautiful widget style :)
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: which one is that ?
[02:06] <allee> Tonio_: great! I'm busy with fai fixes currently
[02:07] <Jucato> _StefanS_: Domino
[02:07] <_StefanS_> Jucato: is it any good? could you post me a screenshot ?
[02:07] <Jucato> of Domino?
[02:08] <Jucato> let me get from KDE-Look
[02:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes, I just saw it there
[02:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nevermind, I will try it now
[02:08] <Tonio_> allee will send you the patch for debian
[02:09] <_StefanS_> Jucato: do you know of a current beryl installation howto for feisty ?
[02:09] <Jucato> um nope...
[02:10] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: it's going thru main now - just wait
[02:10] <Hobbsee> er, NEW, not main
[02:10] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: what does that mean?
[02:11] <Jucato> lol! it would never be in main right? at least not until it gets the licensing stuff ironed out
[02:11] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: archive admisn are picking over it, checkign it's OK, before they put it into feisty
[02:11] <Hobbsee> hopefully not
[02:11] <Hobbsee> and they've done a lot of work, with MOTU
[02:11] <_StefanS_> oka
[02:26] <rouzic> Hi all
[02:27] <Hobbsee> heya!
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee do you have svn access to digikam ?
[02:28] <allee> Tonio_: yes
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee french translation is a bit ugly, I'd like to fix it
[02:29] <Tonio_> allee great I'll send you a diff then
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: well, I'm a bit confused about the i18n handling of the desktop files.  Normaly scripty extracts them and later merges translations back.  Something is borked in this respect currently.
[02:30] <allee> Tonio_: send me the patch and I try to clarify the procedure
[02:30] <Tonio_> allee sure.
[02:31] <Tonio_> allee well the point is that the french translation has a big grammar issue so.......... ;)
[02:31] <Tonio_> do what you can with the patch, but I'll fix it for ubuntu at least ;)
[02:31] <allee> Tonio_: hehe
[02:33] <Tonio_> allee alle(at)ubuntu.com ?
[02:33] <allee> Tonio_: allee@kubuntu.org  or u.c  whatever you prefer
[02:34] <allee> hi Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:34] <Tonio_> allee email sent
[02:34] <Hobbsee> heya allee!
[02:35] <allee> Hobbsee: good news for you.  digikam enhanced the read eye correction tool.  So maybe there's a hope for the picutre you send me ... ;)
[02:35] <heno> I'm testing Kubuntu WinFOSS on a Win 2000 install. For Scribus I'm told that people who don't run WinXP yu need to download GDI+ which takes you to a Microsoft site, which in turn wants to run a Genuine Windows validation check ...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> allee: yay!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> allee: take decent pics in spain.  that's easy.
[02:35] <heno> all in all, quite nasty
[02:35] <Hobbsee> heno: ugh
[02:36] <allee> Hobbsee: I'll try my best, but have not much hope.  I know my shots
[02:36] <Hobbsee> allee: :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> allee: more importantly, did you want to handle the new basket?
[02:37] <Riddell> heno: sounds like a good reson for people to move to Kubuntu
[02:38] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_: cool riddel showed up
[02:38] <allee> Hobbsee: not right now.  I'm fighting to get fai into shape for feisty.
[02:38] <heno> Riddell: true. Are you happy with that? I could add some explanatory text
[02:38] <Hobbsee> allee: fair enough
[02:38] <heno> like have done with Java for OOo in the past
[02:39] <kwwii> Jucato: can you do this for me? "cat /etc/usplash.conf"
[02:39] <heno> 'this application requires a library ...'
[02:39] <Riddell> heno: it's no ideal but I can't think of a better way, some text in the winfoss app explaining it would be good
[02:39] <Jucato> kwwii: ah 800x600
[02:39] <heno> ok
[02:40] <heno> Anyway, it's basically a dupe of bug #1 :) (or a side-effect of it)
[02:42] <rbrunhuber> heno : lol
[02:46] <heno> ooh, but it's really nasty. The way MS wants to validate win Win install is via the browser, which in turn means installing an MS Genuine Advantage plugin in *Firefox*
[02:46] <heno> that's really nasty :(
[02:48] <Riddell> MS install a firefox plugin?
[02:48] <Riddell> or there is a plugin that has to be installed for MS to allow you to use your computer?
[02:49] <kwwii> Jucato: and what size/res monitor do you have?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, it's called windows.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> *g*
[02:50] <Jucato> kwwii: 14", max res is 1024x768
[02:50] <kwwii> Jucato: freaky...I cannot figure out why it does that
[02:50] <kwwii> Jucato: the numbers seem to show that it should not overlap
[02:50] <Jucato> :(
[02:51] <Jucato> usplash.conf xres=800 yres=600. that means usplash is using 800x600 right? :(
[02:51] <kwwii> the progress bar starts at 321 (down from the top) and it 8 pixels high, so it goes to 329...but the text box starts at 407
[02:51] <kwwii> Jucato: yes
[02:52] <Jucato> weird...
[02:52] <heno> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/genuineAdvantage.png
[02:52] <heno> MS Wants me to install their plugin in firefox and use that to validate my windows install
[02:53] <heno> before I can download GDI+ which is needed for Scribus
[02:53] <Riddell> heno: well, nice to know they support free software I guess
[02:54] <kwwii> Jucato: forget that, I found the problem
[02:54] <heno> yeah, I'll validate with Explorer thanks
[02:54] <kwwii> well, I didn't find it, but I will fix it :-)
[02:54] <Jucato> kwwii: ooh nice ;)
[02:54] <heno> Don't want any MS plugins in firefox
[02:55] <heno> I guess I can safely assume that there is no malware on on the MS site? :)
[02:55] <heno> (depends on your definition I guess)
[02:57] <Riddell> abattoir: new oem-installer is lovely
[02:57] <abattoir> Riddell: aah, saw me update the wiki? thanks :)
[02:57] <abattoir> Riddell: but it's mainly due to kwwii's wallpaper :)
[02:57] <Jucato> :)
[02:57] <Riddell> abattoir: yes, and I tested it yesterday (see planet)
[02:58] <abattoir> Riddell: you got the ugly motif style in the screenshot though :(
[02:59] <abattoir> oh you mention that(/me reads it fully)
[02:59] <kwwii> Riddell: just commited a fix for Jucato's problem
[02:59] <Jucato> kwwii: thanks :)
[02:59] <kwwii> Jucato: thanks for finding the bug :-)
[03:00] <Jucato> :D
[03:00] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks :)
[03:00] <Jucato> kwwii: I was thinking about it since I know that a number of people have disabled quiet to see boot messages, while not sacrificing your beautiful artwork :D
[03:03] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, it won't get into beta though
[03:03] <_StefanS_> heno: whats the performance of that virtualbox ?
[03:04] <heno> _StefanS_: very good IMO, but then I have a fast system
[03:04] <_StefanS_> heno: what would that be ?
[03:05] <kwwii> Riddell: sure, just as long as it makes it in before the final release :-)
[03:05] <heno> amd64 4000+ with 2gb ram
[03:06] <heno> here is a review with a benchmark http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=56
[03:06] <heno> where virtualbox comes out well
[03:06] <heno> also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/VirtualBox
[03:08] <_StefanS_> heno: well my Core2 2.33ghz / 3gb should handle that fine then.. thanks for the links
[03:09] <heno> I would think so, yes. I can happily run several VMs at once
[03:09] <icefox> Hey there, I made a little game http://www.icefox.net/programs/?program=Anigma and even made a debian/ dir for it, any chance I could get a debian-dev to help me get it in debian?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> icefox: try #debian-mentors on oftc
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya
[03:12] <icefox> ok
[03:12] <icefox> thanks
[03:18] <_StefanS_> kwwii: good luck :)
[03:25] <Tonio_> someone there, can you connect to cups with kdeprint ?
[03:25] <Tonio_> when I try to configure the server, my login and password are not accepted...
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I get a dialog that some stuff was not recognized
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should at a patch for this, I put that on my todo..... looks like certain options are not recognized by kdeprintrc
[03:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes that's very common when cups is updated, kdeprint doesn't consider those options
[03:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm pretty sure there is a patch svn of on their bts, I'll have a look toonight
[03:30] <_StefanS_> ok
[03:31] <Tonio_> first test is to diff kdeprint with svn I guess
[03:32] <mhb> hi all
[03:37] <kwwii> heno: which version are we supposed to test? herd5?
[03:38] <heno> kwwii: the latest daily
[03:38] <heno> kwwii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and such
[03:38] <Riddell> kwwii: we're trying to release beta this week remember? :)
[03:39] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, that is why I asked (I didn't know where the current stuff is)
[03:39] <kwwii> I couldn't find a link in the wiki search
[03:39] <Riddell> kwwii: top of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFiles
[03:40] <heno> I'm seeing some installer wierdness with the Kubuntu installer (running in VirtualBox) http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/installer-wierdness.png Is this known, or perhaps a virtualbox issue?
[03:42] <_StefanS_> heno: have you tried to minimize/resize the window to force an update to the contents ?
[03:45] <heno> _StefanS_: minimise/restore does nothing, a resize makes it slightly better: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/temp/slightly-better.png
[03:45] <_StefanS_> heno: I think its a vm issue..
[03:46] <_StefanS_> heno: but we cant be sure
[03:46] <heno> ok, we'll get people testing it on real hardware too
[03:48] <Hobbsee> night all
[03:49] <Riddell> heno: that certainly isn't known
[03:50] <heno> Riddell: ok, I'll test on real hardware too (you may have done so already)
[03:50] <heno> it's just the i386 desktop
[04:03] <lontra> so i told the installer to skip with downloading packages (i.e. cancel); i'm installing feisty, btw, and apparently ubiquity is still running but i don't see any dialog any more
[04:05] <lontra> is the installer still working?
[05:42] <TheInfinity> > [17:34:03]  <stpierre> if you don't have the deliver binary, then you have a horribly broken cyrus install. reinstall. <-- should that make an alert when i get this from cyrus channel with ubuntu packages? ;)
[05:49] <Riddell> I don't even know what cyrus is
[05:50] <TheInfinity> pop3 / imap with sieve scripts and some other extras ;)
[05:50] <sebas> An IMAP server.
[05:50] <sebas> Ah, more than that even.
[05:51] <Riddell> oh, that
[05:51] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : Cyrus is a way to have a really frustrating day or two or three :-)
[05:51] <Riddell> most mail servers are
[05:54] <TheInfinity> with courier i had less problems - but courier imap means no sieve scripts -> damn *g*
[05:56] <rbrunhuber> TheInfinity : Same here at cyrus the installation is a real mess (at least for me), with courier the server side filtering is
[05:56] <Tonio_> nothing's better than postfix/uw-imap for me :)
[05:57] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : But hast postfix a good way for server side filtering?
[05:57] <Tonio_> a bit hard to configure for something specific, but all MTAs are nowadays....
[05:57] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: spam filter ?
[05:58] <TheInfinity> spam filter is server site - with procmail - which is the problem of it ;)
[05:58] <TheInfinity> procmail -> cyrus does not work :D
[05:58] <TheInfinity> -> all mails lost
[05:58] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_:  No, filtering for list an and so
[05:59] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: you can use amavisd
[05:59] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: rbl/sbl ?
[05:59] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: if so, yes it does it perfectly
[05:59] <Tonio_> I use it it a few lists, including spamhaus
[05:59] <Tonio_> rbrunhuber: is that what yo're talking about ?
[06:00] <rbrunhuber> Tonio_ : spam filter is no problem. Just let's call if server side  "mail sorting"
[06:00] <rbrunhuber> *if/it
[06:00] <Tonio_> ah yes, okay, of course it works
[06:00] <Tonio_> you can do lots of rules, as with any other mta
[06:18] <giangy> 'evening guys
[06:19] <Riddell> hello giangy
[06:19] <giangy> hi Riddell :-)
[06:19] <giangy> we want k3b 1.0 in feisty :P
[06:21] <Riddell> that's right
[08:02] <heno> does the kubuntu installer use apport?
[08:03] <Riddell> heno: that's a good question
[08:03] <Riddell> heno: cjwatson did have the code for that but I'm not sure if he enabled it
[08:04] <heno> I got a crash, but not a useful report
[08:04] <heno> using the back button a few times gives a reproduceable crash, but not decent backtrace
[08:05] <Riddell> did it pop up a dialogue with the backtrace?
[08:05] <heno> Riddell: it did, but only 2-3 lines
[08:09] <Riddell> sigh, my bandwidth has broken
[08:09] <Riddell> must get new ISP
[08:20] <heno> Riddell: 94197 with syslog but no apport report
[08:21] <heno> I still have the session running if you need more info
[08:44] <Tm_T> I wonder if I should/not should apply ubuntu membership
[08:46] <mhb> Tm_T: you must consider yourself worthy first
[08:46] <mhb> Tm_T: that's the ultimate test :o)
[08:47] <Tm_T> mhb: I know, and this struggle has been going on 2 years now (:
[08:47] <Tm_T> can't remember how many times it's been suggested/asked to me
[08:56] <zbenjamin> hi@ all
[08:56] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_:  r u here?
[08:57] <zbenjamin> i have problems with locales on herd 5 testcd
[08:58] <zbenjamin> i can write no umlauts
[08:58] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: i'm here
[08:59] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_: i'm on my new kubuntu install ;-)
[08:59] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: good, did it work besides that umlaut problem ?
[09:00] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: dont know how to fix that problem, be sure to file a bug..
[09:00] <_StefanS_> I'm away again
[09:00] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_:  somtimes i get SIGABRT when closing systemsettings
[09:01] <zbenjamin> and i had a problem with the installer
[09:01] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: are you own 64bit?
[09:01] <zbenjamin> but everything else is working fine
[09:01] <_StefanS_> argh own/on
[09:01] <zbenjamin> no 32bit
[09:01] <_StefanS_> latest updates?
[09:02] <zbenjamin> yes 5 minutes ago i did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[09:02] <_StefanS_> apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:02] <zbenjamin> ah i'll checkt that
[09:03] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_:  only a kernel update
[09:03] <zbenjamin> but i will download it
[09:03] <_StefanS_> but be sure to report bugs, and please do a search first to see if they have been reported before
[09:03] <zbenjamin> where to report?
[09:03] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: ok then, shouldn't make much of a difference
[09:03] <_StefanS_> launchpad.net
[09:04] <_StefanS_> gotta go on the wireless, brb
[09:04] <Riddell> heno: thanks, looks like the apport code isn't in the kde frontend I'll add it back after beta (and fix that bug at the same time)
[09:05] <heno> Riddell: cool
[09:05] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: look at the topic in the channel for those links, btw
[09:05] <heno> (testing is useful it seems :) )
[09:05] <zbenjamin> seems to be a bug my $LANG tells my i have de_DE.UTF-8 but my locales.gen says  de_AT@euro ISO-8859-15
[09:06] <kwwii> heno: having some problems with virtualBox...the resolution it does is the same as my real resolution so I only see part of the window (and there is no way to scroll, in addition to the mouse escape key not working)
[09:06] <kwwii> heno: do you know if there is a way to reduce the resolution?
[09:09] <heno> kwwii: if you change the resolution in kde/gnome it should adapt to that
[09:09] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_:  hm what can it be when i use the KDE integrated update and i get a messagebox that tells me : debconf wrong nice value
[09:09] <heno> or you can just run it in full screen mode
[09:09] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: well its a known bug, AFAIK..
[09:09] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: its adept running debconf..
[09:09] <kwwii> heno: ok, I'll try the fullscreen mode
[09:09] <heno> kwwii: Ctrl+F
[09:09] <zbenjamin> okay i use apt-get anyway
[09:09] <heno> (using the right Ctrl key
[09:09] <kwwii> ahhh, maybe that is what I was missing with the mouse escape
[09:14] <zbenjamin> back
[09:16] <_StefanS_> kwwii: is there a way to show messages while booting, without removing quiet ?
[09:16] <_StefanS_> kwwii: like toggling the boot details (?)
[09:16] <kwwii> _StefanS_: nope
[09:16] <_StefanS_> kwwii: mmkay..
[09:16] <zbenjamin> where is the $LANG environment variable intialized
[09:17] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: /etc/profile probably.
[09:18] <kwwii> Riddell: did the new color scheme make it in yet?
[09:18] <kwwii> Riddell: asking because they are not in the daily build yet
[09:18] <Riddell> kwwii: guess not then
[09:19] <kwwii> Riddell: do you know when you'll include them?
[09:20] <kwwii> they were in my push a few days ago as well (which I mentioned to you)
[09:25] <zbenjamin> 
[09:25] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_: strange it seems that not all apps have the problems
[09:28] <zbenjamin> _StefanS_:  i think i found the problem
[09:29] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: ok, good to hear
[09:30] <zbenjamin> some fonts don't support umlauts
[09:31] <zbenjamin> On suse i used Arial for my editors and it seems Arial turns into Ani on kubuntu. And Ani don't support umlauts
[09:35] <_StefanS_> zbenjamin: well you should install the msttcorefonts
[09:37] <zbenjamin> nice apt-get install msttcorefonts and it just runs..... if i think about suse *horror*
[10:03] <Riddell> kwwii: they should be included then
[10:11] <Alpha_Cluster> does anyone know if mounted removable disks will ever come up with a picture that is not a iPod?>
[10:12] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, it seems it is a problem with the settings in kde that point it to the name of the colorscheme (not the name of the file)
[10:14] <mhb> Alpha_Cluster: they do, at least here
[10:15] <Alpha_Cluster> realy?
[10:15] <mhb> Alpha_Cluster: pen drive is a pen drive, mp3 player is an ipod-like player etc.
[10:15] <Alpha_Cluster> my flash drive keeps mounting as an iPod i should point out im in 7.04
[10:15] <Alpha_Cluster> hmm
[10:15] <kwwii> anyone running edgy?
[10:16] <kwwii> can someone tell me the name of the colorscheme file that is set as default in edgy?
[10:17] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I do, let me boot it
[10:19] <_StefanS_> kwwii: where should I look for it ?
[10:20] <kwwii> systemsettings-->appearance-->colors
[10:20] <Alpha_Cluster> it starts with a k...
[10:20] <kwwii> _StefanS_: sorry for making you go through so much work - I could have figured it out somehow too
[10:20] <_StefanS_> kwwii: its ok, i've booted a default edgy now
[10:21] <Riddell> kwwii: which file is it?
[10:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: KubuntuColors.ksrc
[10:22] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yes, exactly
[10:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: KubuntuColours.ksrc
[10:22] <_StefanS_> with an 'u' also ;)
[10:22] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I want to know the name that is in the file itself
[10:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: KubuntuColours.kcsrc
[10:23] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:23] <ryanakca> kwwii: need any help with anything while basket builds?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> kuseven
[10:23] <kwwii> _StefanS_: excellent, thanks so much...sorry for bothering
[10:23] <_StefanS_> kwwii: no prob just let me know, I've got all the *ubuntus in vmware at hand
[10:24] <kwwii> for some reason I cannot build the kernel module for vmware with the latest kernel
[10:24] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntuColours.kcsrc doesn't actually get used by default, most of the colours are in kdeglobals
[10:25] <kwwii> Riddell: now I understand why it still had the old colors :-)
[10:25] <kwwii> Riddell: but still, it did not select the theme per default as the name it was looking for no longer existed
[10:26] <kwwii> blah, that is a nasty way to do the colors
[10:27] <kwwii> why set a default colorscheme file when it is hard coded like that?
[10:29] <kwwii> lol, and things are defined twice in that file
[10:32] <\sh> kwwii: there is an update package for vmware with latest kernels
[10:32] <\sh> but starting vmware doesn't work anyhow
[10:34] <\sh> kwwii: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update108.tar.gz
[10:35] <kwwii> \sh: lol, thanks :-)
[10:36] <\sh> kwwii: think about that: you can compile the kernel modules...but starting vmware brings a lib loading error...and it just fails...I have the same problems with my vmware-server crap...so my private laptop needs a downgrade to edgy or dapper ,-)
[10:36] <kwwii> \sh: yeah, I know the feeling
[10:36] <\sh> and my english tonight is crap, too...too much gentoo emerge -u world fightings
[10:37] <kwwii> hehe
[10:37] <\sh> since 6 hours I'm sitting now on this update...*gnarf* and I forgot to screen it before I started :(
[10:38] <\sh> kwwii: but nice kde theme ... I hope your are responsible for that ,-)
[10:39] <kwwii> \sh: for gentoo kde?
[10:39] <\sh> kwwii: nope...kubuntu
[10:39] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, you can blame me for that one
[10:39] <\sh> but somehow my latest kernel won't boot anymore..some problems mit modload bla....
[10:41] <kwwii> ouch
[10:41] <crimsun> probably bug 93648
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93648 in linux-source-2.6.20 "2.6.20-12 fails to boot with ICH6 SATA (ahci_init_one/pci_iounmap BUG at lib/iomap.c:254)" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93648
[10:42] <kwwii> \sh: are you going to be in berlin?
[10:45] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, I've edited the kdeglobals file as well as the colorscheme file itself
[10:46] <kwwii> (and added the missing changelog entries from today as well)
[10:50] <Tonio_> re
[10:51] <\sh> kwwii: I actually don't know...I'm trying to get off from office...
[10:51] <kwwii> hehe
[10:51] <sebas> Berlin == Linuxtag?
[10:51] <Tonio_> hum, I'm getting nuts with that kdeprint issue........
[10:51] <\sh> sebas: yepp
[10:51] <Tonio_> hey \sh, sebas, kwwii
[10:51] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[10:52] <\sh> evening Tonio_ :)
[10:52] <sebas> hey Tonio|nuts
[10:52] <Tonio_> can one of you confirm that you get an error while going in kdeprint, then select "configure server"
[10:52] <Tonio_> talks about unknown options here
[10:52] <sebas> Is that the kcontrol thing?
[10:52] <\sh> I couldn't add a printer today via systemsettigns/Printer
[10:52] <sebas> Or the normal print dialog?
[10:52] <Tonio_> sebas: yes
[10:52] <sebas> Ok
[10:53] <Tonio_> \sh: yes sometimes happen with updates, you have to purge and reinstall cupsys and delete ~/ .kde/share/config/kdeprintrc and share/apps/kdeprint
[10:53] <sebas> Some error (looks like an empty configfile), no crash but setup wizard.
[10:53] <Tonio_> \
[10:54] <Tonio_> sebas: yes, it just tels me that some options are unknown and therefore I will not be able to change them right ?
[10:54] <\sh> Tonio_: I'll try it tomorrow
[10:54] <sebas> And a KDE logo which is like from kde 2.0
[10:54] <sebas> Tonio_: yes
[10:54] <sebas> Some options were not recognized by this configuration tool. They will be left untouched and you won't be able to change them.
[10:54] <sebas> defaultauthtype = Basic
[10:55] <Tonio_> \sh: if the problem is that you were not able to select anything else but a windows shared printer, we're talking about the same thing.
[10:55] <Tonio_> \just purge packages and settings and reinstall, worked for me
[10:55] <Tonio_> sebas: yes I get the same issue
[10:55] <\sh> Tonio_: I just didn't have a printer installed, then I gone into admin mode, and try to add a printer...and then nothing...
[10:56] <sebas> Printing generally works fine for me though.
[10:56] <Tonio_> sebas: I thought about new options in the latest cups version, but defaultauthtype is an old one
[10:56] <\sh> not even a krashhandler dialog or something...
[10:56] <sebas> I think that is one of linux' subsystems that is done really well.
[10:56] <Tonio_> sebas: I guess the error message is not good, the error is something else.... I'll look at the code eventually
[10:56] <sebas> HM ok
[10:57] <Tonio_> \sh: when you say nothing, you mean you were not able to click on "local printer" or "tcp network printer" or so right ?
[10:57] <\sh> Tonio_: no the add printer dialog doesn't appear
[10:57] <Tonio_> \sh: ouch........
[10:58] <Tonio_> \sh: on feisty ?
[10:58] <\sh> Tonio_: yepp
[10:58] <\sh> on egdy it works like charm
[10:59] <Tonio_> \sh: hum........ if I were you I would simply delete the ~ kdeprint files and restart kde.....
[10:59] <Tonio_> \sh: should be profile related issue since it globally works for everyone on feisty
[10:59] <\sh> Tonio_: will do tomorrow morning...I just want to finish my gentoo upgrade here...it takes ages :(
[11:00] <Tonio_> \sh: that's gentoo :)
[11:00] <\sh> Tonio_: well it's the server of my root server sponsor :)
[11:01] <Tonio_> \sh: gentoo on a server ? nonsense........
[11:01] <Tonio_> gentoo is the exact thing that we don't wan't on a server
[11:01] <\sh> Tonio_: no...it was my idea in the past, when I didn't know ubuntu ,-)
[11:02] <Tonio_> the purpose of a server is to be available all the time... and as long as gentoo takes ages to upgrade, it i a nonsense using it ;)
[11:02] <Tonio_> \sh: why not debian, or centos ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> \sh: gentoo is nice, but not very adapted to production server usage in my opinion
[11:03] <\sh> Tonio_: because I was a gentoo dev (de) for some time...:(
[11:04] <sebas> How long are gentoo releases maintained / supported after a new version is out?
[11:04] <sebas> Just asking this myself, no ranting here =)
[11:04] <Tonio_> \sh: that explains :)
[11:04] <\sh> stable releases of gentoo? never saw it
[11:04] <sebas> not the ~ thing :P
[11:04] <\sh> new version upgrade == upgrade your system...new glibc == compile your fcking whole software with it
[11:05] <Tonio_> sebas: gentoo doesn't have any stable release support concept
[11:05] <\sh> even in != ~ trees ;)
[11:05] <sebas> So "not" would be the answer
[11:05] <Tonio_> sebas: and if you only perform upgrades for example once a month, be ready for 30 hours compiling........
[11:05] <sebas> I know, I tried it.
[11:05] <sebas> I was just wondering about support
[11:05] <Tonio_> sebas: that's why I think gentoo is the worst system for production servers :)
[11:05] <Tonio_> sebas: ah, well there is none :)
[11:05] <sebas> yeah, I know all that =)
[11:06] <sebas> Must be fun, like following KDE 4 trunk =)
[11:06] <Tonio_> gentoo is like a debian unstable that would never stable
[11:06] <Tonio_> perpetual dev cycle......... ;)
[11:06] <sebas> I especially disliked the slow tools for portage, but I understood that that has changed
[11:19] <\sh> ok...gentoo upgrade finished...no dead people
[11:19] <\sh> cu tomorrow :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> bye \sh :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> \sh_away: what about souls you've sold?
[11:40] <claydoh> omg using linux since 2002 and I am compiling my first kernel lol
[11:43] <Tm_T> claydoh: why compiling kernel?
[11:43] <claydoh> just because
[11:44] <Tm_T> don't understand
[11:44] <claydoh> and to check out if it fixes a bug for me
[11:44] <claydoh> bug 85488
[11:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85488
[11:45] <claydoh> a gentoo bug report mentioned a kenel config so i am trying it out
[11:45] <claydoh> and cuz I never did it before
[11:45] <claydoh> and i am slightly crazy
[11:46] <claydoh> and I really want my scanner to work :)