[03:59] <troy_s> anyone alive>?
[05:37] <nzk> I am alive.
[01:16] <kwwii> so......
[01:16] <kwwii> what does everyone think of this?
[01:16] <kwwii> https://launchpad.net/bugs/10303
[01:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 10303 in gaim "New Logo for GAIM (Ubuntu Style)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:24] <elkbuntu> i'm confused as to why it needs a new logo...
[01:27] <kwwii> yepp, that was one of my concerns
[01:28] <elkbuntu> kwwii, considering gaim is in the 'also available for Windows' category, i'd be very cautious about changing the appearance of it
[01:29] <kwwii> elkbuntu: not sure I understand you
[01:29] <kwwii> my main thought was that since we don't really do anything special to it, there is no reason to use a branded splash screen
[01:30] <elkbuntu> it'd be like changing the open-office logo .. people who had been lured to linux via the transition method (install cross-platform stuff to get them used to linuxy software) would be perplexed
[01:31] <kwwii> I can see that point, but I do not think that the change in the GAIM part itself is very radical
[01:31] <elkbuntu> ooh.. it's just the splash
[01:31] <kwwii> yepp
[01:32] <elkbuntu> hmm... branding other apps is tacky imho
[01:33] <kwwii> yeah, that is kinda what I was thinking
[01:34] <elkbuntu> it's like saying "$distro woz 'ere!" ;)
[01:36] <kwwii> yepp
[01:38] <elkbuntu> so anyway, thumbs down from me
[05:09] <troy_s> kwwii I think there is something to be said for binding the splashes together -- and it does have an rather powerful 'unifying' message.
[05:09] <troy_s> Where the hell is he?
 kwwii I think there is something to be said for binding the splashes together -- and it does have an rather powerful 'unifying' message.
[07:34] <troy_s> although I can appreciate the flipside of the coin too...
[07:34] <troy_s> again, thinking about end users and the need to attract _new_users who are familiar with that sort of similarity factor, i think it at least should be considered
[07:34] <troy_s> probably pretty hopeless without a design pattern at this point though.
[08:26] <kwwii> troy_s: yes, that was my whole point, really
[08:27] <troy_s> kwwii Ultimately, I was pretty torn on it.  My guess is that we need it but are unable to implement it.
[08:28] <kwwii> troy_s: I think that implementing something now would be too early...first planning, then action :-)
[08:28] <troy_s> completely agree
[08:28] <troy_s> until then, it is best left alone
[08:29] <troy_s> but the kernel of the idea works well.
[08:29] <kwwii> yepp, definitely
[08:30] <troy_s> but again, we are critically missing a motif
[08:30] <troy_s> to help that sort of thing along
[08:30] <troy_s> to do that sort of thing effectively, we need a non monochromatic nor extremely polychromatic palette
[08:30] <troy_s> a solid motif
[08:31] <troy_s> and whatever other minor stylization that is developed.
[08:32] <kwwii> hopefully, after feisty things will start moving in that area
[08:32] <troy_s> fingers crossed
[08:33] <troy_s> although i hope the kneejerk reaction to fedora's lovely work isn't going to take us down the bloody irritating ubuntu path of mimisis
[08:35] <kwwii> we'll just see what happens
[11:27] <chris___> ello