=== _human_blip_away [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.57.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@SIMMONS-THREE-THIRTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Has anyone had a chance to look at the Beryl package set in NEW yet? === hikenboot_ [n=hikenboo@24.218.85.129] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] racarr: you might have a better chance to get an answer during day hours in europe [12:41] it's past midnight here === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp110-104.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] geser: Ok, it's not that important presumambly someone will look over them in the near future, I was just curious === wereHamster is now known as wereHamster|zZz === jdong_ is now known as jdong === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-132-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] why is it every version of ubuntu has it system depend upon stupid things like serpentine audio cd creator and bittorrent...how about making these this optional without removing one causing ubuntu-desktop to be uninstalled...at least fiesty fawn made openoffice optional! === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@cpe-24-162-49-93.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-089-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zaxone [n=zaxone@88.218.62.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === administrator [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-b3a50a6f5d213d04] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zaxone [n=zaxone@88.218.62.148] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:04] Mithrandir (or other archive admin): please shove the breezy/dapper/edgy inkscape updates. :) [01:08] hikenboot_: because those packages are what composes the "ubuntu desktop" [01:08] right but removing them prevents upgrading [01:09] you can still upgrade without bittorrent or the ubuntu-desktop package [01:09] sharms: But you wont get new packages added to ubuntu-desktop [01:09] it seems to me like some sort of Install-Depends field would make sense [01:09] racarr: if you are removing items included in it, then it is clear you dont want them anyway [01:10] if you dont like the defaults, install what you want. Issue solved. [01:10] sharms: ...I don't think it's fair to assume that because someone doesn't want open office they don't want every other package added to ubuntu-desktop in the future === TerminX [i=44416620@adsl-68-124-137-102.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] when i went to remaster this last time I had a problem where when I was trying to install the packages I did want it would try and reinstall ubuntu desktop and all the packages I removed [01:11] hikenboot_: a bunch of things have been moved to desktop-recommends, from desktop [01:12] err, right I forgot about recommends, hehe [01:12] hikenboot_: you are welcome to upgrade by other means [01:13] hikenboot_: if a package depends on ubuntu-desktop that shouldn't, use launchpad to file a bug === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] sharms: "shouldnt" is a relative term. sure you mean a package depending on ubuntu-desktop, or ubuntu-desktop depending on a package? [01:15] hikenboot_: as you noticed, we've already changed this for many applications in Feisty, and that work will continue. we're now approaching beta status now, though, and we'll be focusing on stabilization instead for the next month === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] Hobbsee: I mean if a package depends on ubuntu-desktop === Hobbsee tries to figure out how that works [01:16] sharms: nothing should depend on ubuntu-desktop unless it is meant to imply the rest of the default desktop install (e.g., a derivative metapackage) === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] yes i have noticed that the worst one...open office was moved to recommends...this is greatly appreciated...at least now I can use it for my purposes [01:16] mdz: from what he was saying, apparently he had a package that did [01:17] that is why I invite him to report it :) [01:17] err === _human_blip_away [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] the dist-upgrader requires ubuntu-desktop, yes... [01:17] I thought we were talking about ubuntu-desktop depending on packages [01:17] sharms: it sounds more like he wanted to install a package which conflicted with a dependency of ubuntu-desktop [01:17] "when I was trying to install the packages I did want it would try and reinstall ubuntu desktop and all the packages I removed" === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] the upgrader does that [01:18] thanks guys and have a great night === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] good luck! [01:19] Hobbsee: is that "shouldn't" issue a UK thing? [01:21] sharms: well, forums keep saying that network manager shouldnt be a dep of ubuntu-desktop, as it's too buggy, etc, etc...so i was hoping to avoid those kind of bugs === Hobbsee waves to jono [01:21] hi Hobbsee :) [01:21] Hobbsee: oh no, I meant I thought you were correcting my usage of the english language [01:22] sharms: ahh. nope :) === Dabian [n=M0RTEN@fsf/member/dabian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] How do I get rid of a broken package? === MattJ [n=matthew@88-111-241-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] (sorry for asking here .. but I don't think I can go anywhere) [01:26] Dabian: you shoot it. [01:26] #ubuntu can help [01:26] sharms : It didn't so far. [01:26] #ubuntu can help, especially if you give them more information. [01:26] like, maybe which package it is. [01:26] sharms : I have trouble with irda-utils for amd64. [01:27] and which release you're on [01:27] Hobbsee : I am not sure [01:27] Hobbsee : My system borked while I was upgrading. [01:27] Hobbsee : To fiercy dawn, from 6.10 [01:27] edgy? [01:27] Dabian: if you want to kill it, then apt-get remove --purge packagename works for me [01:27] I am running fiercy dawn right now [01:27] sharms : Can I paste the errors I get from that now? [01:27] feisty fawn, you mean. [01:28] Dabian: try #ubuntu+1 for feisty support. [01:28] Personally I like fiery dawn [01:28] hehe [01:28] dpkg: error processing irda-utils (--purge): [01:28] Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should [01:28] reinstall it before attempting a removal. [01:31] ow. [01:31] that's more like fubar down [01:31] yah [01:31] depends on why it's actually broken [01:31] Dabian: at that point I usualy start taking a text editor to /var/lib/dpkg/state [01:31] Do what it says; 'dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/irda-utils_*.deb' [01:31] jdong : Thanks. [01:31] but listen to cjwatson [01:31] DO NOT EDIT /var/lib/dpkg/status BY HAND UNLESS YOU ARE AN EXPERT [01:31] jdong: stop giving out crackful info. [01:31] cjwatson : Heheh .. or a complete idiot, right? :) [01:31] on that basis [01:31] cjwatson: he is running fiercy dawn, he should be fine [01:31] sorry :) [01:31] i.e. unless you can competently fix bugs in dpkg [01:31] cjwatson : I get error from that as well. [01:31] the dpkg -i above may error out, but it should let you get further; 'dpkg --configure -a' is often the next step [01:32] then repeat the upgrade [01:36] heh .. yeah .. why didn't I try dpkg --configure -a [01:36] I get the same error as pasted above though. [01:36] what was the error from dpkg -i? (if it's long, use paste.ubuntu-nl.org or similar) [01:36] fwiw, that error from dpkg usually means that it was interrupted hard (e.g. segfault, poweroff) at a very bad point [01:36] how do I redirect to file? 2>&1 > file.txt [01:36] ? [01:36] >file.txt 2>&1 === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.184.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] hehe .. better prepend with "LANG=C" :) [01:36] cjwatson: yeah I've done that "package is very inconsistent" thing after a few hard resets.... [01:36] it was a pain to get out of it [01:37] anyone know of a simple way to effectively evict all cached pages on a system [01:37] eg read a bunch of zeros into memory or something [01:37] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11271/ [01:37] calc: please use #ubuntu for support, this is a development channel [01:38] I powered off the computer last night .. I don't know how far the upgrade was. [01:38] Actually I was just turning off teh stereo, I forgot the computer was on. [01:38] (I hoooked my system up so that turning off the stereo automagicly turns off the computer w/monitor at the same time) [01:40] Dabian: first run 'sudo start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/irattach.pid --exec /usr/sbin/irattach' [01:41] Dabian: then edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/irda-utils.prerm (as root) and change 'invoke-rc.d irda-utils stop || exit $?' to ': invoke-rc.d irda-utils stop || exit $?' (i.e. put colon-space in front of that line) [01:42] Dabian: then repeat the dpkg -i from earlier, which should let you continue === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] cjwatson: did you just know that off the top of your head? [01:43] calc: install moreutils, then 'sponge ctrl-c when you get bored [01:43] sharms: cjwatson lives in this kind of stuff, and debian-installer [01:43] sharms: no, I looked up what the prerm did and determined how to safely replicate it [01:44] cjwatson: can i ask what the : in front does? or point me to somewhere where it's documented? [01:44] these aren't exactly user-serviceable parts normally [01:44] Hobbsee: man : [01:44] hmm, or not [01:44] Hobbsee: help : [01:44] hehe [01:44] or not [01:44] ahhh, nice [01:44] it's the same as /bin/true [01:44] gotcha [01:44] cjwatson: thanks [01:45] it's better than # in this case because if you use # there'll be no command between the then and the else and you'll get a syntax error === calc feels like he lost most of his linux knowledge in the past year :\ [01:45] i need to stop using xp [01:45] it makes my brain rot [01:46] calc: we're not stopping you from running Ubuntu [01:46] sharms: i'm running it now [01:46] sharms: i only had one pc until a few months ago and my gf made me run xp ;) [01:47] General chitchat for ubuntu type people: #ubuntu-offtopic === calc needs to upload new versions of his abandoned packages [01:47] cjwatson: ahhh.... [01:48] calc : Just tell her .. "OK, I'll run XP .. but no sex as long as XP is on that computer, comprende?" [01:49] cjwatson : You're amazing! I got rid of it painlessly! [01:49] hah [01:52] I wonder if commercial support of this level is available here in Denmark. [01:52] Dabian: woo, good to hear [01:52] cjwatson :) [01:52] Dabian: quite likely. [01:53] Would be nice .. they're not listed though. Well a few is listed .. judging from their webpage its hard to say; I guess. [01:53] Dabian: http://www.ubuntu.com/support [01:53] Hobbsee : Yess. [01:54] I think Canonical's support operates globally, FWIW. [01:54] it seems to [01:54] http://www.ubuntu.com/support/commercial/marketplace/europe [01:54] Canonical Global Support Services are deployed around the world to enable a true 24x7 support infrastructure. Support requests are handled through telephone, e-mail and the web. [01:55] Hobbsee : Its not in danish though, I guess. === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] Dabian: true that. [01:55] But if I call Canonical support, I dont hear "Hello, this is cjwatson. How can I help you?" === Hobbsee tries to remember who here's with linux2go.dk [01:56] one of the guys in -motu, iirc === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] Hobbsee : You can recommend linux2go? [01:57] Hobbsee : I vaguely remember having checked their website. [01:57] sharms: you don't want me doing support full-time, trust me; I don't have the patience [01:58] Dabian: well, i've never dealt with them myself, obviously, not speaking danish, but one of the guys there, Soren Hansen, is oftne on #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee just recognised the address [01:58] -motu? [01:59] Dabian: ubuntu universe packagers / developers [01:59] Dabian: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU for reference [01:59] cjwatson : Hehe .. I get we got a taste of that when you saw him recommending me to fumble with that status file ;-) [02:00] hehe [02:00] yes - in here, a lot of support queries, in fact, almost all, get redirected elsewhere, as it's not on topic. [02:01] Yeah .. I thought my request was special .. otherwise I wouldn't have bugged you. [02:01] prerm failures are unfortunately notoriously hard to work around [02:01] true that. once there was enough info in it, of course :) === cjwatson -> bed [02:02] night cjwatson [02:02] now the upgrade is slowly rolling like it should in the background... I guess next time I better put a warning on the computer "don't turn off now!" ;-) [02:02] hehe [02:02] that would *always* help, yes [02:03] shawarma: ah, you are in -devel. see Dabian when you get back. [02:03] Since ext3 .. I'm often too lazy to do a clean shutdown. [02:04] btw [02:04] a lot more goes on during a shutdown than syncing the disks :p [02:04] WHen I have upgraded .. I'm going to try and install "jde" .. if its still broken in fiesty fawn, and I want to help fix it .. how do I go about it? [02:05] racarr : Yeah .. but a desktopcomputer should be able to cope .. or there is an error in a userspace program. :) [02:05] racarr : I try to do a clean shutdown .. but I admit, sometimes I am too lazy .. if I am heading out the door or something. [02:06] I made it so that I can just click the powerbutton, and it will shutdown. [02:06] No questions asked. :) [02:06] Dabian: determine how it's broken, make a patch, submit it. it installs on feisty, it seems [02:06] Hobbsee : You code java? [02:06] Dabian: nope [02:06] Dabian: not a bit [02:06] ahh .. you just installed it to check? [02:07] Do I need an email that will be exposed to the web to submit a patch? === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] racarr : What in paticular do you think I miss by simply cutting the power? [02:15] Dabian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teardown has a list of that Teardown does, and you can workout what you miss by just cutting the power :p === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [02:16] <_ion> An idea about how Upstart jobs might interact with the user regardless of what's the visible interface: virtual console, boot splash or X. http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2007/03/21/upstart-and-interaction-with-user/ [02:18] Dabian: yep. yes - well, it'll be hidden on launchpad, so it shouldnt get spammed [02:19] S30urandom [02:19] _ion: I think that's the wrong direction personally [02:19] Hobbsee : Thats good news. [02:20] <_ion> racarr: What would you propose? [02:20] Hobbsee : That was one of the major reasons I didn't even consider contributing to debian. [02:20] ahhh [02:21] I dislike spam. [02:21] _ion: Aiming for eliminating the transitions, heh, I know Kristian Hogsberg (I tihnk it was Kristian? it was someone from redhat) has done some work on X in the initramfs, I'm not sure that's the solution [02:21] I get my mail on yahoo, so I can't just run spam-assassin. [02:21] And it's impossible to have two email addresses... [02:21] (Sorry, I couldn't resist) [02:21] <_ion> racarr: This should work even with boxes with no monitor, only a serial console. [02:21] racarr : Isn't it Kristian Hgsberg? [02:22] sorry .. lets try again in UTF8 :) === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [02:22] racarr : Isn't that Kristian Hgsberg ? [02:22] Dabian: ahhh, yes. that's annoying. [02:22] Many prefer latin-1 still. [02:23] Dabian: Yes, but I assumed people would forgive me for just using an o :p [02:23] :) [02:23] racarr : Actually you can use "oe" instead of '', if yor keyboard support it not. [02:24] racarr : I even do that in subjects of mail, to obey rfc822. [02:24] _ion: I suppose that's a reasonable advantage, yes [02:24] Dabian: Eh, I can just use the Compose key, just too lazy [02:24] (I know there is a mime-rfc that says the mta needs to convert it to qouted printable .. but that is disgusting. :) [02:25] sharms: any luck on bug 85835 (maybe retest with a newer milestone)? I'm going to have to reject it if there's no more information [02:25] Malone bug 85835 in ubiquity "New partitioner does not work with NTFS existing drives" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85835 [02:25] or is it the MTU? [02:25] <_ion> racarr: Not to mention blind users. [02:25] <_ion> racarr: They need to interact with fsck as well. [02:25] cjwatson: haven't done a fresh install since I initially tried it, so no further information [02:26] not mtu ... MUA of course [02:26] darn ... I've been having it too easy too long. [02:26] _ion: I don't see why that requires everything to be done through a terminal, theres no reason a screenreader/all the other accessibility stuff couldn't be used [02:27] sharms: do you plan to? [02:27] <_ion> I didn't say the support for blind users should be done through a terminal. [02:27] cjwatson: no, could only reproduce it on my production station which I can't fuss with [02:30] _ion: then why is this library required to allow blind users to interact with things during the startup process? things can just use the preexisting accessibility frameworks? [02:30] <_ion> It gives the option of *any* implementation for *any* use case regarding user interaction. [02:30] sharms: probably bug 89004; rejected anyway, thanks [02:30] Malone bug 89004 in partman-base "Wonky partitioner choices in alternate cd" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89004 [02:31] cjwatson: yeah I hate it when those bug reporters don't provide enough information :) [02:32] _ion: I suppose, but as you suggested upstart integration it seems like it would be reasonable to assume it would be however Ubuntu is set up (which will hopefully be less transitions in the future) === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:16] BenC: is there anything useful I can do on the ICH6 non-boot issue in -12? [03:17] sladen: bug number? [03:23] BenC: bug #93648 [03:23] Malone bug 93648 in linux-source-2.6.20 "2.6.20-12 fails to boot with ICH6 SATA (ahci_init_one/pci_iounmap BUG at lib/iomap.c:254)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93648 [03:24] 10 dups === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp69-145.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok [n=mneptok@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [n=tajyrink@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] sladen: Figure out why it's hitting the BUG_ON in iomap.c === _mayday_jay_ [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] mjg59: while you're here, any new ideas on bug #90883 [03:40] Malone bug 90883 in acpi-support "wireless.sh cannot use 'device/power/state' to power-off wireless card anymore (dup-of: 89763)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90883 [03:40] Malone bug 89763 in acpi-support "Changes in sysfs power/state handling has broken 'ibm-wireless.sh'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89763 [03:40] It's unfixable === dtrask [n=dtrask@cpe-76-179-249-205.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] is it an option to just add back in the code upstream removed [03:41] To an extent [03:41] my understanding is that you can put the device to sleep by writing to the raw PCI registers in a gash way anyway [03:42] But the driver won't know that [03:42] = explode [03:43] the code in the drivers has remained unchanged, just the functionality to call the code from userspace via sysfs has gone [03:43] Yes [03:45] Can anyone get to archive.ubuntu.com right now? === Fujitsu prods archive.ubuntu.com [03:45] (that was a no) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-94-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:01] Can somebody poke somebody appropriate about {archive,cdimage}.ubuntu.com [04:02] *? === Hobbsee feeds Fujitsu a clock [04:03] Gah. [04:04] works for me. What IP address are you getting from 'host archive.ubuntu.com' ? [04:04] 91.189.89.8 [04:04] I've seen 2 others confirm that it's dead. [04:04] sladen: I checked into that...looks like a bug where the device is not getting created fully during probe, and the error path is unmapping an io region that was never mapped [04:05] <_ion> I get 91.189.89.6 and 91.189.89.8 and neither seems to work. [04:05] sladen: Probably best bet is to find out why the probe is failing in sysfs creation [04:05] _ion: Same. [04:05] Doesn't get out of cogentco. [04:05] Gets to London, that's all. [04:07] sladen: What are you getting for archive.ubuntu.com? (so I can add to /etc/hosts and do an update/upgrade :p) [04:08] Same from a box in the US... [04:08] I'm in the US and get 91.189.89.8 [04:09] ah welcome to cogent, the box-shift of the IP transit world [04:09] shifter === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-21e62252db165bf5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KurtKraut [n=ktk@unaffiliated/kurtkraut] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] When I insert a USB pendrive on Feisty it is automounted without giving me write permissions. I suppose this is a bug. In what package I should file it as bug on Launchpad ? [04:19] there is just a maintenance break on archive.ubuntu.com - I got a mail for that, just dont remember which list === Fujitsu is on an insane number of Ubuntu lists, and didn't get one. [04:22] maybe I was dreaming ;) [04:29] Fujitsu: was the same here, I started to escalate it but it seems to have cleared itself up here [04:30] Indeed, it's fine now. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.186.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharp5 [n=steve@bas15-toronto12-1168013963.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] is GSoC stuff on-topic in here? === grover [n=grover@bongo.groveronline.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharp5 [n=steve@bas15-toronto12-1168013963.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === QuantumG [n=qg@biodome.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === QuantumG [n=qg@biodome.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jamesh [n=james@203-59-195-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === grover [n=grover@bongo.groveronline.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === wereHamster|zZz [n=wereHams@neopsis.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [n=sh@atlas.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-244-121.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for beta === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Mithrandir at Thu Mar 15 12:21:54 2007 === wiiman [n=kiddi@67.160.77.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-18.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] Mithrandir: acpi-support_0.93 to fix various wireless/hotkey things; there's some state-saving stuff still to do later === _human_blip_ [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wringer [i=wringer@tmp00e018e291d1.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekomancer [n=nekomanc@cpe-71-72-35-233.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekomancer [n=nekomanc@cpe-71-72-35-233.neo.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:34] 'morning === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] hello [06:38] can you guys give feedback on ideas for the google summer of code? [06:50] wringer: any specific project? [06:52] doko: is the the place to talk about it? [06:53] you guys are kind of specific on what topics of conversation are allowed in this channel [06:54] wringer: you can email ubuntu-soc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com as well [06:54] doko: but this place is fine too, right? [06:54] wringer: sure === lotusleaf [n=drywind@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #ubuntu-devel ["trombone"] [06:56] doko, thanks === nekomancer [n=nekomanc@cpe-71-72-35-233.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:57] hello? [06:58] h [06:58] i [06:58] morning [06:59] doko: one of my friends directed me here to see about two different ideas i am considering to try for in google's soc === administrator [i=administ@nat/cisco/x-07cbb88ba4b34c52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] nekomancer: did you write a spec for these ideas? [07:01] doko: not as of yet [07:02] doko: i just discovered that the soc program is underway today [07:02] doko: i was mostly wondering if ideas would fit into anything here at all [07:03] doko: the one i like would be to see about improving the dual boot use ability of ubuntu/windows [07:04] doko: adding a reboot menu like SUSE use to have, a FAT32 partition to the default partition layout if they are dual booting with windows, and [07:05] doko: a ap that would collect .exe locations in 'program files' and try to set them up with wine in their own menu === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] doko: it just didn't sound very deep in the ubuntu ideals, but more of a thing you would expect novell to do now [07:06] doko: having said that, something like that would be nice for people who are changing from windows to Ubuntu [07:07] nekomancer: you have to apply for a project until Mar 24; based on these details projects are choosen. if you can up with something more specific by this date, submit the project [07:08] doko: would that be an ok general idea to peruse further? === roico [n=roico@bzq-88-153-47-101.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] doko: thanks for listening [07:11] nekomancer: sure, but applying is not yet the same thing as beeing accepted for the project [07:11] doko: i know [07:12] doko: i have read over the rules and such. I was just wondering if that idea, in general, was valid or not [07:13] doko: it doesn't seem much like a 'free software' appeal [07:13] doko: i remember the uproar about adding nvidia drivers to Fawn [07:15] nekomancer: I don't see anything wrong with improving the dual-boot options for the user; I currently cannot say anything about the size of the project (if it's suited to the SoC) [07:19] doko: Thanks. 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(it's universe) [07:46] Hobbsee: sure, done. [07:47] Mithrandir: thanks :) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A7251B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] Mithrandir: can non-core devs use the milestones? [07:59] ie, are tehy allowed to [07:59] ? [08:02] Hobbsee: allowed to assign bugs to them? Sure, but please tag the title with [universe] or something if it's not a bug in main. [08:02] Mithrandir: it's main. i didnt think you could assign bugs to a milestone... === Hobbsee is finding bug fixes made upstream that are marked as critical, that arent in ubuntu [08:03] Hobbsee: using upstream bug lists, or the rc bug list I made? [08:03] ajmitch: using my email, actually. does yours do kde bugs? === ajmitch knows we should get working through that list [08:03] it does all debian RC bugs === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] Hobbsee: I would much, much rather have to remove a bug from the milestone list because I don't think it's critical than missing out on a critical bug because somebody thought they shouldn't use the milestone feature. [08:04] Mithrandir: gotcha. at the moment, i've just assigned those ones to myself, wehther i upload them or not === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-91.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-0-225.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.186.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-36.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp69-145.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] pitti: How long does a retrace normally take? (I tagged a bug, the tag vanished a few minutes ago, but there is no result yet) === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F707B0.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] good morning [08:40] daniel! [08:40] good morning :) [08:41] hey andrew === human_blip [n=mike@202.83.118.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-91.dorm.utexas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-91.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] Good morning [08:57] Fujitsu: when the tag vanished, it was processed === dholbach hugs pitti === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-36.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] Fujitsu: there was something wrong with it, what was the #? [08:57] hi dholbach [08:58] morning pitti [09:00] hi ajmitch, how's it going? [09:00] good, how are you? [09:00] great! === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] pitti: Does it remove the tag when it takes it for processing, or when it uploads the trace? [09:05] Fujitsu: when it takes it, to avoid endless loops when something goes wrong in the retracing [09:05] Fujitsu: I can have a look into the log, what was the bug number? [09:06] It eventually got retraced, so it's fine. [09:06] Just took a while. [09:06] ah, cool [09:06] Fujitsu: usually takes ~ 5 minutes for large packages/many dependencies [09:06] I need to speed it up by a magnitude, but ENOTIME :/ [09:07] Is archive.ubuntu.com down? [09:07] I wonder if a retrace-in-progress tag might be useful, otherwise we're likely to have a few people each putting a retrace tag on, when it is already retracing. [09:07] hunger: seems so, cdimage.u.c. is down as well [09:08] It's up here, but is pointing to a different place to what it was earlier. [09:08] It went down, came back pointing to prat, and is now at forster (again?) [09:08] cdimage.u.c is fine. [09:09] Ah, I see it points randomly to either. [09:09] It's all fine for me, anywya. [09:09] *anyway [09:10] Wow, great, restricted-manager got me fglrx support but I can not turn it of again using it since my xorg.conf is customized:-( [09:12] Mithrandir: blktrace confirmed [09:12] ajmitch: cheers. === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] can somebody please sync libtelepathy === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] bug 92799 [09:18] Malone bug 92799 in libtelepathy "Please sync libtelepathy from sid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92799 === wereHamster|zZz is now known as wereHamster|away [09:23] Why does changing the x graphics driver change all font sizes? They are 2pt smaller than they used to be after going to fglrx and back. [09:24] dholbach: will do [09:24] hunger: DPI detection, I think [09:24] pitti: thanks a lot [09:24] ajmitch: Why does that change the actual font sizes? [09:25] hunger: does the configured font size change, or just how it appears? [09:25] ajmitch: I could understand that the fonts are rendered at a different size, but I used to have 12pt fonts set and after switching to fglrx and back I only have 10pt. [09:26] odd === ajmitch has only seen that in the past with gnome-settings-daemon not starting properly [09:26] which was awhile ago now === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] ajmitch: that might have been fixed with moving dbus from S20 to S12 again === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] hunger: same here [09:34] dholbach: done [09:35] pitti: you rock :-) [09:35] HiddenWolf: Good, I was already doubting my sanity. [09:35] pitti: after rebuilding gossip-telepathy with it people can install it again :-) [09:35] hunger: not messing with a user-modified config-y file is quite sane though. [09:36] Mithrandir: is 20070320.1 still the latest live image? I can't reach cdimage.u.c AT> [09:36] Mithrandir: s/>/M/ [09:37] HiddenWolf: You are talking about the not going back from fglrx with restricted-manager thing? [09:38] HiddenWolf: My config file was modified and it did convert it to use fglrx instead of the ati driver. Chickening out of reverting that seems rather strange to me. [09:38] pitti: yes, 20070320.1 is the latest. [09:38] hunger: ah. [09:38] pitti: can you reach it through chinstrap? [09:39] Mithrandir: ah, yes, I can [09:39] thanks, going to do the final test with that on real hardware then [09:41] cheers. === mvo [n=egon@p54A6740C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-91.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] hey mvo [09:50] hey dholbach! [09:52] when does seb usually show up? or is he on vacation? === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] LaserJock: in a bit, I guess - he's not on VAC [09:53] LaserJock: it's 09:53 in his part of the world [09:54] ogra, Mithrandir: is the size of the edubuntu dvd really correct? 860172288 [09:55] heya doko [09:56] hi dholbach, late morning for you ;) [09:56] doko: late morning? I was up at 7:20 already ;-) [09:56] (but yeah, started working a bit later than that :-)) [09:56] doko: that seems wrong to you? the size for Edubuntu dvd === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] LaserJock: it's 800MB ... for a DVD === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [09:57] well, at least it's >700MB :-) [09:59] err, I seem to think I downloaded an Edubuntu DVD a while ago [09:59] and that it was a lot larger than that [09:59] doko: that's about the size of the contents of the CD [10:00] so I'd guess it lost the rest of the DVD contents === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] hey seb128 [10:06] hi dholbach [10:09] dholbach: not sure than retracing mono crashes is useful [10:09] I skip them usually [10:10] seb128: I think I successfully retraced one already and it looked better than before === glatzor [n=sebi@p57aee304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] but I'll try to make sure [10:10] dholbach: you retrace the interpreter, doesn't give much information on the bug afaik [10:10] no? [10:11] ok, that depends on where the crash happens - in my case it was maybe in the C lib === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57aee304.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] dholbach: I was not pointing a particular crash, I just thought that crash file were not useful for mono apps atm [10:12] will ask slomo about it [10:12] ok [10:17] Mithrandir: the gnome-games update is nothing urgent === jtholmes [n=chatzill@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-c54565bdfcbc195a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reitblatt [n=mark@resnet-50-91.dorm.utexas.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Enola_Gay [n=IRC@dslb-084-056-212-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] asac, cjwatson, dholbach, doko, ogra, pkl: any luck with ISO testing yesterday? [10:59] hi all [10:59] I'm not seeing many reports on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs [11:00] Wasn't there plans to integrate a failsafe vga mode or something like that in Feisty? === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamant1988 [n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] Enola_Gay: well, at least the safe vesa mode works now, unlike in ubuntu 6.10. however, the "bulletproof-x" spec has not been updated so I don't know if there's automatic fallback in all of the error cases. === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01]